If you have to play an ASSFAGGOTS, is there any reason to play

>>378260786
I love league, my brother has down syndrome and I can play it with him.

how's my man zeus?

My friends play all of them, I only enjoy playing Smite and HotS with them because I don't care to learn the hard ones but still want to have fun with them

Unsarcastically, good thread.

HotS doesn't take as long, if you don't have time for a game of Dota. There's no reason to ever play League though.

What does dota offer that others don't

smites better desu

>>378261227
not him, but more in depth mechanics and better balancing.

Which both make it a bit harder if that makes sense

>dota 2's player base consists of low iq subhumans like peruvians, east europeans, and SEA scum
>lol's player base is made up of upstanding north americans, east asians, and western europeans
>somehow dota is supposed to be the superior game

Lmao dota fags make me laugh everytime they bring up their dead, irrelevant, gambling/dress up simulator and compare it to lol for attention. Fucking third world scum.

I suck at mobas. I'm seriously awful at them. I'd probably be a lot more successful playing a more casual one like league.

I play dota because I know it's the most difficult one, and that's what makes it satisfying.

League is more like a sport. Strong meta, lots of forced teamwork that actually does the game some good if you care about the nuances of the game. Makes the 1/10 games where everyone tries to work as a team kinda amazing.

Dota is more solo-skill oriented.

>>378261414
(you)

>>378261587
Are you kidding? Dota drafting is half the battle. Alright you can still win with a meme draft, but it's very unlikely if the team doesn't have synergy.

>>378261543
Don't delude yourself, shitstain. I have 5k dota friends that are completely unable to juke skill shots and vice versa.
In the end it's a different skill set and time+iq is the only thing that'll make you better. Also dota is a shit game for ugly 3rd world nino rattas playing in cabinas.

>>378260786
Stuff that dota has that could turn people off.
>build paths that negate entire kits
>unless you have coordinations most teams get shutdown by a carry who spent 20+ min afk farming
>obnoxiously hard characters like invoker that when properly played shutdown literally everyone
>techies
>sniper players
>turn speed
>learn curve
>rng passives

>>378261714
Did Dota change? Last time I played it a year or so ago, it was much easier (after the steeper learning curve) to solo carry a game than League ever was

>>378260786
>I can't see why people would play the others when this is available.
I am not interested in playing a 50+ minute game where I have to know fifty pages' worth of characters and items beforehand.

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>>378261414
get a load on this 2k shitter who got rekt by some peruvian sub human

>>378260786
I'll preface by saying I don't really like mobas but they can be fun sometimes. So I'm not going to spend like 40 minutes in a dota game, I'll spend 15 minutes in a game or hots or something then go play something I'd rather be playing like a fighting game.

>>378261623
Hm I wonder which demographic is smarter, STEM kids (even mainland china scum who were raised entirely on dota only play lol on my campus) who'll one day become future doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs.
Or dirty peruvians spending every waking moment that they're not selling drugs/committing crime playing dota most of whom will undoubtedly die before they're 20.

>>378261587
I think you switched both. League is more solo-skill oriented. Hence why you see so many "mains" and streamers alike in the League community (Vaynes, Rivens, Yasuos and the likes).

Unless you're being very specific (Attacker's Kunkka), there are very to little mains around the Dota community. The good players don't just handle Invoker and Earth Spirit, they handle easier heroes with better micro and stuff.

Dota is the most team oriented by a huge mile.

>>378260786
> is there any reason to play one that's not dota?

Yeah sure there is. If don't want to commit an hour of your life for a single game there's HotS.

>>378261017
Strong. But not as popular

All heroes are available from the start in dota.

>>378262127
I'm 4k actually :^)
Played enough of dota to know it's definately a game where people on the lower end of the iq distribution can thrive.

>>378261414
>upstanding NA and western europeans

They are kids tho.

>>378260786
HotS was kind of fun for me at first but I quickly got annoyed by the lack of depth and the absurd level of grind. Played a little bit of League years ago and hated it. Smite was interesting conceptually but didn't really grab me, I think it copied LoL too much. Dota will always be king for me.

What hero is the best?

I like broodmother and necrophos.

>>378260786
I dont want to spend an hour for a dota game, I like how short HotS is. Still like dota as a game and I do think its a better game, but I cant really be bothered because its such a time sink

>>378261587
lol

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Cease playing this good goy genre

>>378261962
>techies

Techies are only good if the enemy is retarded. They're annoying at the start of the game but they fall off so fast that they make the entire game 4v5

My problem with lol is that everything feels the same. Every hero in dota looks and plays completely differently. My experience of lol is that it's a slightly different effect on the same aoe or skillshot

>>378262458
How did smite copy league?
They feel like two completely different games

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when does manila start

I like to watch dota esports

Is it true LoL has no micro?

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>>378260786
Have to buy the compendium to play the pve content.

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>>378260786
>bloodline champions failed due to low userbase because the game was b2p
>new game trying to be BC done right is b2p game as well
WHEN
WILL
THEY
LEARN?

>>378261414

This.

lack of region lock made dota 2 umplayable

damn russian scum

>>378262751
Yes.

>>378261227
heroes are all free

>>378262782
You can play pve content for free by not attacking players

>>378262782
>buy goypendium
>get map appearance/weather item
>it expires after X day
Valve are truly pioneers in milking the goys

>>378261276
>More in depth mechanics
Like?

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This thread makes me feel like playing dota, what am I in for /v/?

>>378263063
>finally PvE content
>expires as well
Also wasn't the weather permanent? And the new river vial is also permanent but it only lasts for a few seconds on the map.

>>378260786
If you want tactics and playstyle freedom and variety, play Dota.
If you want an action game and a numerical arms race, play LoL.
If you want to shut your brain off and melt health bars, play HotS.

>>378262637
I have no idea if it's changed since I played it (probably) but

>aura-based jungle
>low-impact short-CC skills

DotA skills have a kind of "weight" to them, black hole, ravage, reverse polarity, etc. They're very decisive and fight deciding. You can get CC'd and bursted down in the blink of an eye. Whereas LoL and its successors are more about "poking" at your opponent with a bunch of low-cost low-CD AOE skills that are almost never decisive. You just throw your shit all over your opponent and hope your shit is stronger than their shit. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule and certain cases where the opposite is true, but I'm talking about a general design philosophy.

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>>378261227
gameplay with depth

high skill caps

free heroes

no grinding required to experience the entire game

open ended gameplay with a meta that's

constantly changing and you're not punished for unique ideas to how to play the game

>>378263063
There is a reason why 3rd world shitholes stay as 3rd world shitholes. They just waste away any and all of their money on trinkets and cheap tricks. It's morally right to take away their wealth with any means possible.

>>378262393
>I'm 4k actually :^)
how does it feel to be proud to play amongst all the shitters in the world?

>>378261227
All heroes are free from day one, actual freedom in team comp and lane layout, more varied hero design with wider viability across the hero pool, more mechanics to learn and use, a better itemization system that focuses on utility and countering rather than bland stat stacking

>>378260786
Dota is le hardcore so people like it more to support their ego, LoL is for le casual babbies because they removed last hitting and were f2p first making it the popular choice to rebel against. Both games are boring and shit.

>>378262751
Unless pressing R to direct a single other unit in between its AI and having it teleport next to you if it goes offscreen counts as micro, no

>>378262782
Versus LoL, which just has no pve content at all

>>378263326
>short-CC skills
>You can get CC'd and bursted down in the blink of an eye.
>ymir
>odin
>zeus
Their resective combo and ults will burst down most anyone in seconds.

Smites biggest issue is its lack of anti CC.
Smite has too much CC.

Thres plenty of "weight" characters though.
Herc,anhurs spear,bellona,cabra,kumbha, etc.

>>378262581
Who is this guy and why is his face always posted when people are telling you what to do? He doesn't look like the kind of guy I'd take advice from.

Smite is a good alternative if you want something different as long as you buy the God pack when its on sale.
Dota 2 is the best one tho

>>378262637
>How did smite copy league?
It's the same exact formula, just with a different camera and control scheme. Same forced lane meta, same map objectives (at the time it was created, LoL's dragons have changed since then), same general scope and curves of ability damage, cooldowns, and mana costs, same itemization system with a lot of directly cloned items.

The camera and controls changes a lot about how the game feels on the surface, but the gameplay going on beneath that is nearly identical.

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Pick me

>>378260786
HotS has the advantage of matches not lasting a fucking hour
Smite has the advantages of more fun gameplay and more gametypes
There's no reason to play LoL over Dota 2 though

>>378263761
Who cares? Comparing a game to LoL is like comparing a game to a facebook game.

>>378262960
>>378263670
There's not a meepo equivalent?

What about illusions?

>>378264141
Did you even read the point of the thread?

>>378261017
His recent ministun talent made him really strong. He's by no means a meta pick but he's starting to get decent winrates in 5k+

>>378264059
>Same forced lane meta,
change can go all roles
you can have hunters in mid and solo
ymir and cabra (supports) can jungle
even all guardians are viable, assuming your team is good.

Smite has one of the most diverse metas, in that it really has no definite meta. People constantly reinvent the lanes.

>>378264227
Oh yes I forgot I should be biting the MOBA war bait.

>>378264186
Nope
It's either automatic AI units that are loosely controlled by other methods (focuses targets you're autoattacking or have a damage over time on, etc), or it's a single unit you move by pressing R or alt-clicking.

There's no box selecting, control groups, etc.

>>378264231
last time I played Dota he's solid in pubs the lower he goes but the higher the MMR people realize he can't do anything in lane.

>has worst base damage and attack animation in the game
>must last-hit and harass with Arc Lightning
>is mana intensive
>skilled players realize they can last-hit with impunity as Zeus can't deny
>ie Shadowfiend wins automatically

>>378264272
That's not what I mean by lane meta. I mean it's always 1/1/2/jungle in the same lanes, the type of characters in each of those set slots slightly varying doesn't mean it's not a rigid forced lane meta.

What types of characters go in the slots changes in LoL too, it's not really the problem.

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My friends only want to play Heroes of the Storm

>>378264090
You're pretty much meta now my man

>>378263580
>removed last hitting
???

>>378261227
A great community :^)

My roommate's obsession with this game cost me my virginity.

Talents have ruined this game for me.
Now it has the complexity of HOTS or league and is just casual bullshit.
The comebacks are just too fucking easy.

>>378264543
I can't believe they keep buffing jakiro

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Peoples who are too bad to play starcraft but even more bad at anything that require something but mechanical skills play LoL and peoples who are just BAD, REALLT BAD play HotS.

>>378264645
good meme

>>378263580
>LoL
>removed last hitting
u wot m8

>>378260786
My main gripe with Dota is that it is too simple. I wish it had more complex mechanics, even their "hardest" heroes aren't that hard to learn at all, just take some practice. The real challenge of Dota is reacting and timing, outside of it the game lacks depth as a fun challenge.

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>>378264748
>comparing dota likes to rts
then theres this retard

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>>378264748
>tfw played all mobas and settled for hots because it's fun

>>378264498
>I mean it's always 1/1/2/jungle in the same lanes
you can have your support be a roaming 2ng jungle.
your jungle can pretty much camp mid and harpies if he wants or alternate to solo and mid.

Solo can rotate and gank mid every wave with the jungle.

You should probably stop talking about a game you barely play if at all.

>>378264436
That is all true and why Zeus will never be meta: he goes midlane but is a terrible laner.
I'm just saying he now has a lot of redeeming factors past the 10 minute mark that apparently make him viable in high lvl pubs

>>378261227
An actual game that one of the best game balancers in the world is obsessed with making perfect. These MOBAs with gated gameplay can hardly be considered complete experiences.

>>378264834
lol

>>378262782
Just pick AM in a normal game.

>>378264863
Starcraft is not RTS, it's fucking retarded clicker, Supreme commander is RTS, wargame is rts, and starcraft is not.
And LoL is a game that require exactly same player skills as starcraft, just adds 4 peoples in team for you to blame when you lose a game.

>>378260786
let it go son. league is the premier assfaggots, die with dignity op

>>378265047
This

>>378264873
Why you think it's fun? I played it and even DPS heroes have no damage and supports don't have damage at all.

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>>378264748
that grammar ruined my morning

>>378264874
But you still have a set support. You still have to have a jungler, and you still have a set solo laner that goes on a set side. You're missing the point. It's a forced lane meta. LoL has the same kind of variation in its forced meta, it doesn't magically mean the forced meta doesn't exist.

Dota has nothing like this at all. I don't have to cry about how the set positions have some freedom because there are no set positions. That's what I'm comparing it to, Smite does the same thing as LoL.

>>378260786

Oh boy I sure love classic characters like [ANTIMAGE], [ENIGMA] and [CRYSTAL MAIDEN]. So much creativity and lore on display!

>>378265153
Why the fuck do you think any1 but burgers should know burger language well?

>>378265180
Antimage and Crystal Maiden are fine, you're gay. Enigma is admittedly incredibly generic.

>>378265047
That really doesn't make any sense,
Why does starcraft have the same skills as LoL but other RTS games don't?

Starcraft and LoL are just as different as any other RTS and LoL. LoL is a pvp action RPG like Diable, Starcraft is an RTS where you build a base and control armies as one player. And no, Starcraft being a shit RTS doesn't magically make it not an RTS.

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>>378261227
draft phase has more depth because the game can actually be balanced around everyone owning every character in the game. LoL is fucked balance wise because they cannot have hardcounter champions because it screws over newer players that don't own many champions. The end result is a homogeneous pool of playable characters.

Meanwhile DotA has heroes that serve their own role entirely.

>>378265180
You know they all have actual names right?

>>378265317
It's common English lad
I thought the whole Brazilians being the majority on /v/ was a meme
I thought wrong

>>378260786
Also, I'm new as fuck to this game, but can someone please explain for me why my teammates keep buying so many couriers every game and make them follow their heroes to the lanes? I don't think we would need more than 2 couriers, but they keep buying more. Is it a strat I don't understand?

>>378265180
now this is autism

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>>378261414
>NA
>plays League

pick one

>>378265157
Meta != roles
Honestly what the fuck are you on about, Dota still requires that people take up certain roles. But like smite you have the freedom to play with and invent new metas.

>>378265334
You played starcraft, warcraft, supreme commander, wargame, coh, stronghold, empire earth, dow? RTS genre have two different type of games, those with tactic elements or games that only require you to have big APM

>>378265468
dota is the most toxic community you can be a part of. enjoy being flamed relentlessly if you're just starting out, if you can find a game that is

>>378265508
korea was a mistake

>>378265509
>dota is the most toxic

you mean league

t. went to dota from league, easily league is worse

also you can be banned for flaming in league so lmao

>>378265334
Also i played tons of aRPG including all diablo's and you're retarded if you think it's same genre.

>>378265638
>also you can be banned for flaming in league so lmao
you say that like it's a bad thing

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it's the best one to watch from an esports standpoint if that matters to anyone.

i stopped playing the game years ago, i just don't have the time for it, but i always watch the finals of the majors and the international every year because the game really leads to some phenomenal moments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgAAPPf4z00

this was a really good watch and i hope big daddy takes the aegis of champions.

>>378265468
I remember when people bought two so mid could bottle crow constantly.

>>378265702
because it is.

>>378265638
meant for >>378265570

>>378265702
it doesn't fix the problem of people flaming, people just make smurfs and are incentivized to do it, ruining low level games even more, which is how LoL got it's smurfing problem because people enjoy alt accounts and referral bonuses

>>378264748
If you can't play Warcraft 3, you play DotA
If you can't play DotA, you play League of Legends

There are people who think League of Legends is a "hardcore" game.

>>378265468
post match ID

>>378265808
the only reason people played wc3 was for custom games. people played vanilla warcraft 3 'competitively'?

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>>378265509
A set layout of picks that compose a team and go in certain places on the map because it was found to be the most effective is meta.

>Dota still requires that people take up certain roles.
No it doesn't. Dota doesn't have roles, every hero is its own beast and the game revolves around position 1 to 5 instead of set roles. It has no lane layout formula and you don't always have a jungler. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

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>>378264873
>played HoTS for a good while and had fun
>come 2.0 announcement and update
>50 game losing streaks
>wins don't feel that good because you notice the same retarded pattern on the enemies that you had on your team
>unimportant how well you play since skill-ceiling is low and characters are terribly balanced

>>378264517
You need better friends

>>378265443
I don't think you know common russian :^)
(or brazilian)

>>378265669
I'm sorry, but if you seriously think LoL's gameplay shares more with the RTS genre than the ARPG genre I don't even have words for how stupid you are.

>>378265765
>it doesn't fix the problem of people flaming
it helps, played since beta way less flamers every year

also, I prefer to call them children, not flamers

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>>378263142
>tfw double your hours
>tfw haven't played in almost a year
>tfw want to play a lot as of the past few weeks

m-maybe we should both start again

>>378265638
How could a community possibly be worse than DOTA's?

>>378264517
>tfw my friends only wanna play LoL
>one of them used to play DotA too but now he just sits around playing FFXIV all fucking day so I play nothing with him

>>378264748
remember SeleCT? I remember how he quit SC2 and tried Dota 2 in 2013 with his "god micro", even failed to qualify for the International and ended up going back to SC2.

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>tfw friends are all 2k

>>378265808
This is completely false, the two genres have their focuses in entirely different things and LoL/Dota revolve around tons of unspoken rules and understanding that can't be taught and just needs to be picked up by playing for a lot of hours.

There are tons of records of RTS pros picking up LoL or Dota and completely sucking dick

>>378266061
yeah and playing a moba made him shit at sc2 and he was never relevant again

assfaggots are more than mechanics because they're team games.

>>378265974
LoL share nothing with rts (as i said, games like SC and WG), it shares gameplay with starcraft and games like sc.
CLICKCLICKCLICLICKCLICKCLICK
Strategy? Tactics? Wut? CLICKCLICK NEED MORE APM CLICK CLICK yeah i need to dodge everything CLICKCLICKLCICK
Also, your playtime in arpg genre?
I think mine is around 5-6k hours.

>>378266061
fucking select
wasn't he in c9 or something, for like 2 months?

he had that ONE good game with lifestealer and literally nothing else he did was pro-tier

>>378266048
>my friends should all do what I want to do

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>>378266093
Are they having fun?

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>>378266142
>playing a moba made him shit at sc2 and he was never relevant again
rtshitters sure are delusional

I actually wanted to play heroes of the storm again recently, but god damn the match queue time kills me. In dota2 it's 3 minutes max and that's on a bad day. I've had hots take 10 minutes before.

>>378266197
I mean you can look up his results after he "returned to sc2" if you want and see for yourself he accomplished nothing

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>>378266185
no they quit after one loss. thousands of hours but never try to improve.

>>378266150
>CLICKCLICKCLICLICKCLICKCLICK
>Strategy? Tactics? Wut? CLICKCLICK NEED MORE APM CLICK CLICK yeah i need to dodge everything CLICKCLICKLCICK
So all video games are the same because you press buttons to play them
Ok

>>378265509
>Dota still requires that people take up certain roles

There are roles but it's nothing like league. Most heroes can fulfill multiple roles on a sort of spectrum, and a jungler is optional so that opens up a lot of room for varied strategies. Take the basic uncomplicated hero Lina who's a nuking mid who can transition into a physical dps carry if she gets enough farm, there's nothing like that in League because nukers and ranged carries are totally different roles with no overlap. That's one of the simplest Dota heroes and she already is too complex for League.

>>378266285
you are dumb.

HotS has shorter match times and that's honestly the only reason I need to choose it over the others

>>378265909
>Dota doesn't have roles
>hero selection screen has a sort by role section

>>378266294
>tfw played ~300 games but have over a thousand hours in dota because I had a bad habit of leaving the client open for days and days and watched lots of esports

>>378265709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k-cTvUwioc

also this is pretty good too. last year's chaos dunk made me damn near shit my britches

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>>378260786

Dota 2 doesn't even have actual graphics.

>>378266297
press buttons != brainlessly pressing buttons

>>378266380
fuck off normie

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>>378266294
Looks like me.

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>>378266150
capped because the most retarded post I've ever seen here, you could say that about any game

>>378266440
Neither SC2 or LoL is brainlessly pressing buttons
No game is other than something like cookie clicker
You have no argument

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>>378266389
>each hero has multiple roles scaled against a 1-3 range

>>378264731
>A hero that eats towers
>Isn't picked to eat towers
Thats why

>>378266463
Noice

>>378266513
>Neither SC2 or LoL is brainlessly pressing buttons
You can be easily diamond in lol without involving any brain activity in your gameplay, just be good at macro/micro
Same for SC

>>378266463
Please explain this image to me I have no idea what's happening.

>>378265932
>enemy team has sylv-anus and varian

I picked the uninstall wizard. I won.

>>378266389
A. That has nothing to do with how a team is built or which lanes people go in, and B. that just covers where each hero falls on the support to core spectrum and how good they are at various things like ganking, nuking, and pushing.

Totally irrelevant to what's being discussed

>>378266337
>Lina who's a nuking mid who can transition into a physical dps
smite has those.
And the optional jungle doesn't really add anything. Some games you have duo duos.

I play HotS because matches only last 25 minutes at most if both teams are good

That and the characters are actually recognizable and I really enjoy playing as Gul'dan

>>378266006
It's simple. Even LoL developers are shit and therefore the game is rotten to its very core.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FrILlWp7-14-day-ban-because-playing-nunu-support-with-smite-is-stealing-other-peoples-roles

>>378266660
Smite is nowhere near as bad as LoL. The unlock all heroes pack alone puts it in a higher class of design.

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>>378260786

Dota has inbuilt lag and every character has a 5-10 sec (aoe) cc (stun).

Also farming lanes for 30 mins is fucking boring. Either play a really strategy game or play Hots.

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>>378266407
reminder of the greatest, most clutch play EVER made in LoL

>>378266640
>just be good at macro/micro
Yeah, a thing that requires thought and skill
You can't just pick and choose what counts as gameplay

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>>378266645
>Nazebo, Stitches, Twin Anal Probes Varian, Moralez and Zul Jin

>>378266759
>Yeah, a thing that requires thought and skill
macro and micro don't require any thoughts you retard
it's MECHANICAL SKLLS

>>378266743
>Dota has inbuilt lag

Do you think real-life has inbuilt lag because if you're running in one direction it takes you a few seconds to turn and run in the opposite direction?

>farming lanes for 30 mins is fucking boring.

No one good does this. Ganks can happen at the very start of the game.

>>378263114
well for one it actually has mechanics

I can't play dota 2 now that they force me to have a phone number to play, since I don't have one.

>>378266743
>Dota has inbuilt lag
Man, it's been years since I heard this one
Cast times and animation backswings are not input lag

>>378266743
0/10

>>378266535
>heroes can fit multiple roles
>therefore there aren't roles

>>378266648
>that just covers where each hero falls on the support to core spectrum and how good they are at various things like ganking, nuking, and pushing.
>i.e. that just covers their role
>mentioning how every hero's role(s) is shown in game is irrelevant as to whether there's roles or not

>>378266642
He lost his skill point to a cosmetic consumable item.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKlycJxnYqg

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>>378266930
>because jungle exists, you have to pick a jungler to win

>>378266752
Lmao, why do people pretend to enjoy watching this shit?

>>378266738
That's awful. Especially compared to DOTA where one button skeleton man was played as a support for a while.
Thinking of it there has been like 5 heroes that haven't been played as a support in the pro scene at one point or another.

>>378266743
'farming lanes' = zoning out your opponents in the lane, roaming for ganks, denying enemy gold and xp, eventually pushing towers

the only 30 minute farming you'll find is playing with shitters

>>378266752
that would be this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdN67NuhMW4

>>378266642

old bug.

>>378266930
Read the context of what's being discussed. We're talking about set "roles" that make up a team and go in certain lanes. Dota doesn't have that, you can have five supporty heroes on your team in an early game nuke/push comp but you still have varying farm priorities on them.

By your logic, if the characters can be classified at all in any way then it's the same thing as having a forced lane meta. Please learn to read and understand context.

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>>378260786
>want to play a videoGAME
>game forces me to learn by heart 100+ different characters and what each of them do before I can have fun
>game forces me to learn exactly what items counter what and what character needs what items to not get completely one-sidedly stomped
>game forces me to learn chinese goldseller-tier AI patterns and respawn timers before I can have fun
>game forces me to find 4 IRL friends before I can have fun if I dont want slavs and moors to ruin every single match I play
Umm yeah no sorry I'm just not a literal autist, if you're gonna have to put 500 hours before you can start "enjoying" a game, then you might as well pick up something actually fun

>>378266880
Mechanical skill is still doing a specific, practiced action. That isn't brainless clicking and it uses thought.
Fuck off retard

>>378260786
Dota 2 isn't even Dota anymore.
It's some bizarre mix of LoL + HoTS aka casual mindless trash.
At this point in time HoN is the better game or even better Warcraft 3 dota on an earlier version (6.69-6.71 are the better versions imo) you will never play HoN during its beta ever again

>>378267178
>game forces me to learn by heart 100+ different characters and what each of them do before I can have fun

That's just the autistic community saying shit like that. Don't listen to those morons. Dota is plenty fun as a noob as long as you understand the basic controls and are playing against other noobs. My brother and sister both enjoyed it from the start with no "play against bots for 50 hours" bullshit or "research every ability" like the horrendous idiot community says new players should do. Play like one bot match maybe just to understand how to move around and what the objectives are then jump in the fucking game.

Dota really isn't that bad to learn, it's fun, I promise. You just have to either grow a thick skin or mute everyone because the community is awful.

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>>378267409
i haven't played since november, has it become even more league-like in its balance since then?

>>378267178

ok but LoL is like that too so Im not sure what your point is

>>378267178
>learning
>not the most fun part of videogames

So you preorder that cawwadooty yet?

>>378267178
t. casual

>>378267130
>blue team wipes at red base
>red team wipes at blue base
>blue team runs down mid back to red base
>ancient dies in 10 hits

bravo riot

Awesomenauts is surprisingly good. Probably a better quick MOBA than HotS. If you like it you can buy all heroes for $25, instead of the $1000 it would cost in HotS

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>>378267489
Yes, terribly so
They added shit tons of new meme items and you don't even really level stats anymore now we have "talents" and they fucked hero bounty rewards yet again and messed around with deny experience

>>378267008
>because you don't need a jungler, roles don't exist

>>378267160
>We're talking about set "roles" that make up a team and go in certain lanes
No, we're talking about if roles exist or not, the person I replied to said roles don't exist, I'm saying they do with in game proof.
Magic up any non-existent context you want to so you can feel that you're right but that isn't what was said.
>By your logic,
By my logic if a game has a list of roles then the game has roles in it.

>>378267409
>It's some bizarre mix of LoL + HoTS aka casual mindless trash.
No it isn't and no one who is actually good at the game (6k+) will agree with you.

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Anyone playing legends of dota?

>>378267489
not really. instead of being able to put skill points into stats you can put points into a 'talent tree' where you can pick one of two options. honestly some of the options are aghs-tier good and make heroes of the storm's talent tree look fucking flaccid.

there 4 shrines on the map now, 2 per team, one in each jungle. you can click on them and it gives you mana and healing regen for a few seconds but if you activate it then it takes a few minutes to recharge. so you only want to activate it when your teammates are nearby to also benefit from it. you can tp to them and you can only destroy the enemy shrines when you take down one of their tier 3 towers. basically that has shaken up the whole mid-to-late game map control aspect of the game.

basically it took ideas from heroes of the storm and made them better whereas heroes of the storm took ideas from dota and made them worse.

>>378267489
not really it's different not simple, also night stalker can fly now

>>378267776
>No, we're talking about if roles exist or not, the person I replied to said roles don't exist
Nobody said that.
Again, context is important. What you're trying to argue doesn't fit into any claims anyone made and has no relevance to anything. Please actually read up the backlinks and see what was being discussed.

if you have friends, regardless of which assfaggots is better, the best one is always the one you can play with your friends

that being said, between DOTA and LoL, DOTA probably has the deeper mechanics

HotS is fairly shallow compared to both of them, but it's the easiest one to enjoy playing

>>378267178
>want to play a videogame
>game forces me to memorize a ton of shit
Absolutely fine, having a bunch of stuff within the game often adds depth to it
>game then changes this shit multiple times a year
Fuck this, what's the point of learning the majority of this stuff if it could become literally useless at any point with no warning whatsoever?

>>378267760
>>378267853
i already saw faerie fire and talents, i need something more recent

>>378267914
>also night stalker can fly now
i fucking hope you mean he gets flying vision with aghs

>>378267929
>Nobody said that.

>>378265909
>Dota doesn't have roles
>>378265909
>Dota doesn't have roles
>>378265909
>Dota doesn't have roles
>>378265909
>Dota doesn't have roles
>>378265909
>Dota doesn't have roles
>>378265909
>Dota doesn't have roles

>>378267760
>messed around with deny experience
>Making the skillcap objectively higher is "league-like balancing"
Hello riot

>>378268010
they added moonwells from HotS. Mos trecently, they made jungle creeps respawn more frequently, so having a jungler is becoming more viable.

I'm okay with it desu but some people are freaks when it comes to changes.

>>378264748
Is SC even good right now? I thought it was dead now that Bliz has Overwatch, Hearthstone, and HotS.

>>378263114
i've only played dota and league so some of these might be in other games.
>denying gives you a way to completely destroy another laner even if you have no kill potential
>some heros in dota have much better mobility meaning that good positioning isn't just standing behind your tank
>higher skill cap with heros like tinker, meepo, invoker, etc
>turn rates add even more depth
>abilities are more unique than just skillshot/mobility spell/disable/

>>378268070
I don't know if you've played within the last few patches but dota's "roles" are farming positions 1 through 5 now
Heroes do a better job as a carry/support/offlane/jungler than others, but at non-high level play it's pretty flexible with what you can do with a hero

>>378268010
> i need something more recent
The biggest change in the most recent patch was that denies now give the person doing the denying 30% of the creep's XP

>i fucking hope you mean he gets flying vision with aghs
His passive now has an active during the night that gives him 2 seconds of flying movement.

Reminder that people who enforce roles should be hanged.

>>378268070
>Dota still requires that people take up certain roles.
>Dota still requires that people take up certain roles.
>Dota still requires that people take up certain roles.
Reading is hard

If you want to call flavors of character design independent of how they fit into a team and onto the map "roles" when people were talking about roles as set positions players need to plug into when they build a team, you can do that, but it's not what being discussed and you're wasting your time arguing with nobody about nothing.

>>378268010
>i fucking hope you mean he gets flying vision with aghs
He can fly in short bursts during the night.

>>378267786
>wah 2k players have no right to complain that my 3rd works ridden shithole game is bad!
>4k player complains
>wah you have to be 5k before critiquing my peruvian cabina simulator
>5k player complains
>wah you have to be 6k before you have ANY merit to your attacks on my game designed to exploit as much money as possible from its low iq player base
Gee I wonder why a person who wasted a quarter of their life getting to 6k mmr isn't going to say their game is bad.
Stupid low iq subhuman game = dota.

>>378268010
more recent, that other anon mentioned nightstalker flying. if nightstalker uses his ult during night he gets a couple of seconds of flying over terrain.

when you deny enemy creeps your team now gets xp.

nature's prophets lvl 25 talent removes the cooldown from his teleport.

dazzle's aghs makes shallow grave a giant AOE over your teammates.

desolator is no longer a unique attack modifier

>>378268197
honestly I dunno how i feel about the turn rate part

the woman like bitchiness and allegiance to generic assfaggots displayed in this thread is quite damning evidence you're all a bunch of children and really need to evaluate where you are in life

>>378268252
So you agree with me that roles exist, thank you.
>>378268274
So you agree with me that roles exist, thank you.

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>>378268141
>Mos trecently, they made jungle creeps respawn more frequently, so having a jungler is becoming more viable.
so they spawn every :00 instead of every (1+2n):00 or whatever?

>>378268263
>>378268280
>His passive now has an active during the night that gives him 2 seconds of flying movement.
what in the WORLD

>>378268312
>deso is no longer a UAE
holy fuck

>>378268141
Wait, dota2? Jungling is less viable because although the creeps respawn faster they give less gold and experience now. It benefits offlaners and supports when doing creep pulls into the wave.

wait turn rates are all the same on lol? why should a tank react the same as a quick hero for example?

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>>378268070
what he meant to say was "DotA doesn't have forced roles"

Not every game will be 1 mid, 2 safe lane, 1 off lane and 1 in the jungle like it is in LoL.

Meanwhile if you send a tri-lane bot in LoL you can bet your ass you're getting reported. Hell, you take smite while playing support and you can get banned apparently.

>>378268197
>>378263114

to expand on turnrates, in LoL every single melee champ needs to have a gap closer or they can be kited forever by most ranged champs. Not every melee hero in DotA has a gap closer because kiting is much more difficult in dota due to turn rates.

>>378268336
>autist makes a passive aggressive post while claiming superiority

>>>/reddit/

>>378268141
>Mos trecently, they made jungle creeps respawn more frequently, so having a jungler is becoming more viable.
And here's where we learn you have no clue what you're talking about
Dota was always 1 minute jungle spawns, it was changed to 2 minutes in 7.00 and they just changed it back
It wasn't LoL for the years it was 1 minute spawns before, so why would it be now?

>>378268010
>i need something more recent
The jungle change allows you to pull with a big camp and stack at the same time on the radiant side. A decent support can completely fuck over the offlaner that way.

>>378268468
turn rates are literally 0 in league

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>>378260786
>every match decided on a series of coin flips
>old WC3 limitations implemented as features
>one map
>the gold system and what it's used for
There's four reasons not to play DOTA2

>that feel when discovered the joy that is supports capable of manfighting like Uther and Kharazim

Goddamn ive been missing out

>>378268141
The healing fountains really aren't anything close to what makes HotS HotS. Whining that one game is now the same shit as another game because it adopts one external mechanic while literally everything else that actually defines the game stays the same is pretty pathetic

Because

1. There's no surrender option. This is inexcusable for a game that 40 minutes is considered average. If all 5 players on a team agree the game is over, then the game is over. And before you go "muh comeback", consider that tournament and lobby teams are allowed to surrender.

2. I haven't played in a long while, but the fact there's no region lock, and USE is dominated by BR fucks is atrocious.

Dotards can't defend this

>>378268436
>Jungling is less viable
It's more viable now than it was when the spawn was every other minute.

>>378268496
>real autist gets upset because anon hits too close to home

>>378260786

>Techies are only good if the enemy is retarded. They're annoying at the start of the game but they fall off so fast that they make the entire game 4v5

Only bad Techies son.

>>378268384
>>378268252

it's probably less about roles existing than it is how concrete those roles are

league champs are definitely less flexible than dota heroes

>>378268636
>i know what you are but what am i: the post

autism

>>378268384
Characters lying on a spectrum of varying playstyles =/= roles. Roles are set jobs that players pick and play into. Dota doesn't have that.

>>378268335
turn rate is a good way to make sure ranged heroes don't permanently shit all over melee heroes otherwise they would be kited to death. it also affects positioning in a massive way, especially if you are indecisive during an engagement because each time you change your mind on which direction you want to go you are wasting time. also it makes batrider a fun hero.

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>>378268294
>calls game casual
>is wrong
>is bad at the game
lol, go back to dota 1 you retarded nostalgiafaggot

>>378268615
>There's no surrender option. This is inexcusable for a game that 40 minutes is considered average. If all 5 players on a team agree the game is over, then the game is over. And before you go "muh comeback", consider that tournament and lobby teams are allowed to surrender.


The greatest irony is that in LoL esports you aren't allowed to surrender, but are encouraged to in regular games, while in DotA you aren't allowed to surrender in regular games but you CAN surrender in esports

>>378268529
maybe if SC2 had implemented some of broodwar's engine limitations it wouldn't have been such a boring fucking game to play competitively.

>>378268117
>Make denying more rewarding but practically removing the punishment
>"league-like balancing"
Yes, I agree.
All that the change accomplishes is making hero creep even harder.
For this reason old versions (6.71 and prior) were the best versions (ignoring bloodstone-deathaura versions), you can accomplish the same kind of wrecking on mid if you're good but without bloating hero levels.

>>378268335
Dota 2 still doesn't do turning right.
Even fucking HoN got it right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4s5eRDN_Vc

>>378268529
all wrong.

>>378268696
>I can't handle the truth
hehe

>>>>>>>////////Reddddddit!!!!!!!!

>>378268630
Read the rest of my post, it's less viable than before and it was even shit before compared to laning exp/gold.

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>>378268529
>he couldn't get gud with turn speed

Didn't we have this thread a few year ago?

This is literally the audience you share your game with. How can you possibly think dota is a deeper game with the vast difference in demographics that play them?
The future minds of our world vs. kids who, if they don't die before 20, will grow up to be deadbeats, bums, and criminals. Oh wait I remember i'm on /v/. The board that doesn't actually play difficult, high iq games and is content to flame the people that do while wiping tendies dust off his copy of nier he's jacked it to 40 times since release and posting about 2B is cute!

>>378268702
>Roles are set jobs that players pick and play into. Dota doesn't have that.

What? What the hell is carry, support, roam, etc, you idiot. They sound like roles to me.

>>378268630
no.

>>378268335
it adds to the game
>hero like batrider that relies on getting in close to be effective has a spell that slows your turn rate
>riki has a spell that deals more damage to your back, and a spell that slows your turn rate so he can get in more damage
>actually need to buy items or be a hero with kiting capabilities to kite

>>378268615
surrendering is a fucking joke. every league game I play i get a couple 12 year olds whining and surrendering as early as possible. even if everyone votes no the morale of that game is already ruined. the most exciting part of a game for me is defending highground when at a disadvantage, it's the hardest thing to do and adds the possibility of a crazy comeback that makes the game worth playing.

pro teams are allowed to surrender because they are 5 teammates that can all agree when the game is over, not a bunch of whiny children like league players that will quit at the first sight of disadvantage.

>>378268615
But you can surrender and the game even matches you with people who think the same.

>>378268786
yeah? and hon's dead so what ya gonna do.

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>>378268878
>difficult, high iq games

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>>378268878
Damn forgot my picture.

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>3k shitstains complain about the trench
>mfw got from 3k to 4k with 80% w/r

>>378268891
>What? What the hell is carry, support, roam, etc, you idiot.
Types of characters. You don't pick a set carry, a set support, a set jungler, etc. That's what roles are. These are literally just labels describing what things the character does and how well.

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>>378268878

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>>378268970
Whine about it on 4chan obviously.
Garena has been doing a much better job with HoN as opposed to $2 but the game doesn't have half a chance unless they axe half the hero pool and kill every cosmetic in the game and replace it with dota 2s cosmetic model

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>teleport to your tower
>unsheath magnetic field
>take all your towers with disposable clones that deal bazillion damage
nothing personnal kid

>>378269091
I don't usually post for (you)s but honestly Dota is just such a poorly designed pile of garbage I can't help but think anyone who enjoys it must be a nino ratta(small rat in peruvian).

>>378260786
Because at this point, somehow, HoN still better.

>>378268615
I used to believe in surrendering, because that's how it was in HoN
but in HoN, people surrrendered because there wasn't anything like comeback mechanics or whatever. Like, it was mathematically impossible to overcome a deficit of some size

in DOTA 2 currently though, the rubberband is stupidly powerful, and it's easy enough to overcome huge net worth deficits, and you can even still win when you're down if the winning team didn't draft properly

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>>378269238
>this autist samefagging all thread and shilling for hon
pathetic

>>378269238
what's poorly designed about dota exactly?

>>378269238
good post man, anons btfo so replying with images

>>378261962
>Invoker shutdown everyone
There is something called BKB, anyone with BKB and a way to get close to him and disable him can kill invoker
>techies
LOL
>sniper players
What year is this?

>>378268529
>vdiscussions.webm

>>378262925
I thought it was going F2P on full release, am I mistaken?
It's still "early access" right now.

>>378263782
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes

>>378269291
>DOTA 2 currently though, the rubberband is stupidly powerfu
And that is stupid. A lost game should be it, a lost game.

>>378267760
Nigger you are retarded. They made denies more important. It's literally less like LoL now. They didn't get rid of stats either. I don't know what the fuck "meme items" is supposed to mean so I won't dispute it, but I will guess that you're a fucking idiot for saying it.

>>378269487
nah

>>378269487
what a fucking dumb post to submit

>>378269374
That's the point, an "early access" paid beta that nobody knows when it's going to be released. EVENTUALLY Bloodline Champions beacme F2P as well, didn't work.

>>378269313
Not the same person. I play the game of choice for STEM students and careerists all over the 1st world. League of legends.
Shouldn't you waste your cabina time on more dota games and less on being an obvious third worlder on anime boards designed for 1st world english speaking nations?

>>378269374
Battlerite, right? I heard it's gonna be f2p but you have to grind to unlock the future champions. Could be wrong. A few of my friends still play it but it's already dying. There's so few people that you'll probably get the same 2 guys for an hour.

Early access was a mistake, it's kinda fun too. Shame really.

>>378269487
a team should be punished for making dumb mistakes, even if they're currently winning

>>378269487
The old hero bounty was fine the way it is.

>>378260786
dota went from shit to cancer

even with friends it's cancer

>>378269487
>Being too much of a 2k shitter to identify the worst player on the enemy team and tactically feed kills to them so later in the game you can reap that sweet comeback gold.

https://youtu.be/Fhzrb07hFn8
>HON

>>378268529
>every match decided on a series of coin flips
lol
>old WC3 limitations implemented as features
Because those limitations were iconic mechanics that shaped the way the game was played
>one map
Custom Games
>the gold system and what it's used for
As opposed to League's "system" which is completely uninteractive and completely fucks the balance of the game. Carries can just afk farm forever and ganks do nothing to them but waste 30 seconds. You can just continue to amass gold and there is nothing the other team can do to stop you as long as you're not too far behind. Early game League is just a race to see who can farm the fastest. In Dota ganks are actually viable as more than just a way to make yourself money. Continually denying a player their Blink Dagger will utterly shut down some heroes. What do you get for continually denying a champion? Less gold than normal. That's it.

>>378269291
people think it's a game about getting the most kills and sometimes getting objectives

they're fucking wrong, it's a game about getting objectives, and sometimes you get kills

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>>378269575

>>378269583
the whole "memeback phase" last year was terrible. It got nerfed, but with the initail changes, the comeback gold was so fucking ridiculous that you'd have MASSIVE gold swings every team fight.

>>378269717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xeq9l7DNY
>SMITE

>>378269291
I will say that my last game of Dota was obviously a stomp at minute 20 but for some reason it dragged on for another 20 minutes. That's really not cool and it's a waste of time for everyone involved. Previous patches of Dota allowed for one sided matches to end before the thirty minute mark.

>>378269583
For a team to lose with a large advantage, they should commit about the same amount of mistakes the losing team committed to be losing in the first place.
Except that as it stands now in dota 2, a team can fuck up big time for 25 minutes, then a single error from the other team results in a victory.

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>>378261848
>5k friends

So ur bad friends are also bad at LoL? Is that surprising?

>>378269770
>Tribes died for this

>>378269635
custom games died with 7.00

>>378269812
>Except that as it stands now in dota 2, a team can fuck up big time for 25 minutes, then a single error from the other team results in a victory.

Not really. At all. It was like that maybe a year ago, they fixed it.

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>>378269717
Please kill me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRm_bKOQ9N4

The game during it's beta days was GOAT.
I'm fairly sure this genre is cursed. Each decent game turns to shit after a certain amount of time.
Even LoL was good in it's early days, and now we're watching the same thing happen to dota.

>>378269575
nigga if you were for real you would realize STEM students and careerists don't have the time to be grinding IP just so they can play their game

>>378268615
if 5 all players wanna surrender you can stay in fountain and let the other team to win.

Also, there is no need of regional lock, now people is matched based in their location, even if whole Peru play in NA servers, they gonna get matched in the same team meanwhile all Murifats gonna get matched in the same team too.

>>378269987
I'd play HoN if the health bars didn't look like shit
I'd love to make an addon to fix it but I can't figure out lua

>>378264748
this is exactly correct.

dota pretty much had a solid hold on the kids aged around 10-16 during the wc3 era, which is why it remains semi relevant today

most just moved onto league because it's superior anyway. dota's only played by perus and third worlders

/thread

>>378269987
I stopped playing HoN with the OPM ripoff skins.

>>378264748
Base Warcraft 3 is probably the best. Just saying.

>>378260971
LITERALLY FUCKING SAID LEAGUE IS FOR IDIOTS

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Don't forget to pick the zombie of free MMR today, friends.

>>378269812
>>378269583

I think the issue is that the difference of net worth of like 5k or something is huge, but it sort of tops out early and then any more net worth advantage doesn't really help at all, since all it does is add tension to the comeback rubberband

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>>378270029
>if 5 all players wanna surrender you can stay in fountain and let the other team to win.
or you can all disconnect for 30 sec

>>378270067
>most just moved onto league because it's superior anyway.
(you)

>>378270029
>if 5 all players wanna surrender you can stay in fountain and let the other team to win.

What if the other team decides to not push? If you think people aren't that stupid then you haven't played enough Dota 2.

I really think Dota 2 needs a surrender option. It's much more necessary in solo queue where the game is decided at matchmaking.

>b-but le comeback!!

Have you never played with an intentional feeder? I have, hundreds of times. There are games that you just can't win.

>>378270040
I'd go back to HoN if I could disable every cosmetic and announcer, the bloated hero pool I can atleast deal with.

>>378269323
non-interactive low skill targeted skills. You only have to decide when you will use something not the actual execution of said action.
Don't have to keep track of cool downs in team fights. Whenever a skill is used ( at least on the level I play at) something happens. There's no reset phase in a team fight where people are spacing carefully counting cool downs.
Carries are always tanks, no archetype glass cannon carries makes carry play in team fights unexciting and watching it even worse.
No insane micro movement potential like lol, you will never see shit like Faker dodging 5 skills shots consecutively like he's scripting. Lol but I guess you have tree jukes?
Too many support positions, low skill positions that after 30 minutes has no impact and you may as well be a walking R(or other important support skill)+ward bitch.
Ice frog forgot how to balance his game and just makes insane changes so that the community is too confused about the state of the game to realize it's garbage(talent trees, shrines, constant hero changes, rubber band mechanics).
Honestly I can go all fucking day.

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>that fucking hon grand finals in las vegas
>played on a fucking basketball court
>mfw i remember the announcer on the mic when the teams were introduced

that was the halo grand finals of moba

>>378270196
stop replying to the obvious samefag

>what is money
Silly peruvian.

Something I've noticed about LoL and Dota is that while its pretty common for someone who plays LoL to switch to Dota and stick with it, its almost unheard of for someone to go from Dota to LoL.

When a LoL player plays Dota they feel confused, lost, overwhelmed by shit, but when a Dota player plays LoL all they feel is boredom, a constant feeling of "What, really?" or "Is that it?".

A LoL player looks at Dota and thinks "Thats bullshit", a Dota player looks at LoL and thinks "Thats underwhelming". Pretty telling.

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>>378260786
mfw 7k hours in dota and only 6.3k mmr

fucking kill me already

i have dabbled into all of them briefly and they are all fucking gay garbage that you just grind creeps for 20 minutes, autism simulators

dota seemed the LEAST gay though because you don't have to pay for heroes.

they are all trash for retards with autism though

>>378270214
Do you believe a surrender function should require all 5 votes or only 4? Should the team see who isnt surrendering, or should it be kept anonymous?

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>>378270238
literally all of those are wrong. nice job.
>at least on the level I play at
must be pretty low

>>378270214
I haver over 6k hours in Dota 2 and yes, but still think surrender option is stupid, since it will encourage people to call GG over shit like
>OMG THEY GOT FIRST BLOOD GG
>OMG I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MINIMAP AND GOT GANKED GG

Did you played Dota in WC3? I think never EVER ended a match because people just quit over really stupid shit and I don't want that in Dota 2

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>>378270238
>Don't have to keep track of cool downs in team fights.
>Carries are always tanks
>No insane micro movement potential like lol
>insane
>micro
>lol
>Too many support positions
>low skill positions
>after 30 minutes has no impact

>>378270343
Lol has already taken over. We can't stop em.
Now loL fags will never convert to dota before both games are dead.

>>378270398
>you just grind creeps for 20 minutes,
so tired of this retarded meme. kill yourself idiot

>>378270238
>non-interactive low skill targeted skills. You only have to decide when you will use something not the actual execution of said action.
Dota is a tactics game, not an action game. You could make the same complaint for turn based games or any card/board game, but it's invalid because it's not what the game focuses on and it's not what it's designed around.

>Don't have to keep track of cool downs in team fights. Whenever a skill is used ( at least on the level I play at) something happens. There's no reset phase in a team fight where people are spacing carefully counting cool downs.
I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, because Dota tends to have more cooldown tracking focus than something like LoL since the cooldowns are generally longer and the spells are far higher impact.

>No insane micro movement potential like lol, you will never see shit like Faker dodging 5 skills shots consecutively like he's scripting. Lol but I guess you have tree jukes?
Go watch high level play of Tinker, Puck, Meepo, Invoker, etc. Again, this kind of stuff really isn't the game's focus, but the peaks of it the game does have are far higher than any other game in the genre.

I wish people were better at telling the difference between a game being objectively bad and them just not understanding how the game works

>>378270228
I think you can, but it would be hard. The game is moddable clientside, you just need to change every skin and model to the original ones.

>>378270451
>OMG THEY GOT FIRST BLOOD GG

Tell me, what's to stop that person just leaving the game if they don't want to play anymore? You think low prio actually dissuades anyone from leaving? They'll come out of low prio and immediately ruin the first non low prio game they play. If you think a surrender option is stupid then you are stupid.

If my teammate thinks it's gg after they die once then I want out of that game. Why would I want to play with somebody that bad?

>>378269770
I remember feeding first blood to the enemy offlane, killing him like two minutes later and getting 1000 gold for that kill before minute 10. Then I snowballed and won the game.
That patch was so bad before the comeback gold nerf, almost every game the team who was winning early was the one who would end up losing.

>>378270451
>>OMG THEY GOT FIRST BLOOD GG
>>OMG I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MINIMAP AND GOT GANKED GG
It will most likely correct itself after 3.5k mmr

>>378260786
Assfaggots are not fun. They're time sinks like mmos. Quit and save yourself. Single player is better.

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>>378270451
>OMG THEY GOT FIRST BLOOD GG
>OMG I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MINIMAP AND GOT GANKED GG
Ahh, I remember HoN.
Good times.
Also
>ANON PICKED MY FUCKING HERO, I HAD HIM SOFT SELECT PLEASE CC
>PLEASE JUST SURRENDER THIS SS IS FUCKING BAD
>WHY DID YOU PICK SCOUT?
Never again.

>tfw the ASSFAGGOTS community is the fucking worst but the gameplay is good

I wish I never got into this

>>378270617
So, same logic, what stop you to just quit the game if you don't want to play with someone that bad? I don't see why there is a need of surrender option if you just can quit the game.

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>>378270238
>non-interactive low skill targeted skills. You only have to decide when you will use something not the actual execution of said action.
it's not some kind of input combo so it's bad

>on't have to keep track of cool downs in team fights.
most cooldowns are longer in dota than in league

>Carries are always tanks
lel
>no archetype glass cannon
LITERALLY what is Drow or Terrorblade

>No insane micro movement potential like lol
league's micro is just 0/infinite rotation speed plus 200unit blinks on skills with some kind of stupid cooldown reduction on x skills used mechanic

>Too many support positions, low skill positions
something something supports in league are low skill and you're projecting

>Ice frog forgot how to balance his game and just makes insane changes so that the community is too confused about the state of the game to realize it's garbage
ice frog does literally anything ever, league is just the output of mass data processing with bad ghostcrawler meme mechanics designs for $15 every 3 months or whenever they decide to release skins

>>378270746

Nothing is stopping me from leaving which is the option I often take. A surrender option is necessary so leaving doesn't have to necessary, moron.

>>378270643
lol do you really think people at higher mmr is better?

people at 2k whine, people at 3k whine, people at 4k whine even louder because they think they are reaching the dream to become "pro". People at 5k whine, people at 6k do stupid shit and then feed because lol who cares

>>378270617
>You think low prio actually dissuades anyone from leaving
yes, it does.

>>378270546
WAOW he dodged it by phase shifting, such insane decision making and reactions.
You don't have to keep track of cool downs in team fights because when a big skill is blown you know it won't be back up.
Dota is a tactics game yes I agree but when nino ratta are more attuned to the tactics required than high iq asians one must surely question the validity of ice frog's game design?

>>378270343

ye I tried to move to LoL because all my friends played it but it just felt like I was playing a watered down version. Like I couldn't understand why everyone was cool with the egregious grind for champs and runes or why everyone thought it was ok that everyone ran flash on every champ. I suppose it just boils down to opinion but I can't fathom why they would play the more casual game like total sweaty nerd tryhards. I mean, these same people would play cs with me and we would all agree that it was better than bf or cod as far as competition goes but bring up mobas and it turns to a shitfling

>>378270845
>WAOW he dodged it by phase shifting, such insane decision making and reactions.
not an argument. your game is objectively worse and requires less skill.