Why are graphic cards so expensive. 5 years ago. Maximum was

>>378232356

When you get a job and stop being poor

Why not buy a card from 5 years ago?

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You can get a very respectable graphics card for $250 and a respectable processor for an additional $250

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>>378232403
I have a good paying job. Are you ok paying 1000$ for the latest gfx card?

machine leari=ning meme%^

What's the max for a graphics card?

I have over 12k in savings, could I build a top of the line PC with that?

>>378232432
I am talking about High End Gfx card 5 years ago were 500$ now they are 1000$

>>378232535

I paid £390 for a gtx 1070. I don't know where you are looking but it sounds like they are ripping people of massively.

>>378232597
You could build four with that money

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>>378232774
In Canada, it's worse. A 1080 Ti cost 1099$ plus tax (15%) = 1300 CAD. What the hell.

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>tfw you play old crap and dont worry about the latest GPUs

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Bump.

>>378232597
TOP of the line in terms of performance is 2K. including an SSD, 1080, and an unnecessary I7 that won't benefit you in any games.

People who spend more than that are actual idiots, stay away from GAMING branded ram, dumb over the top cases and mechanical keyboards over 100$

>>378232774

900's had amazing price to performance ratio, 970 was especially good. For some reason 1070 had a massive price hike, over 100€ extra price over 970's. Which is why I haven't bothered to upgrade.

>>378233226
What is your pc building build you suggest.

>>378232356
>needing a $500 grayfix card

For what fucking reason? A 1060 paired with an i5 runs everything at 60 or close to 60fps maxed at 1080p. 4K is a meme.

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>>378233447
1060 is wasting your money. 4k is real. 1080p is 5 years old

>>378232356
Even a ghetto ass $80 660gtx of ebay will get you 30fps with modest settings on the latest games.>>378232356

>>378233297
I'm not going to spoonfeed you, go on PC part picker and get a GTX 1080, 16GB of RAM if you pick DDR4 make sure your mobo supports it, an I5 or I7 (Any from the last few years they all perform the fucking same) 6000 series recommended though, a 600W power supply (Not a shit one, you can decide what is shit and what isnt by googling the one you pick, and even 600W is overkill) ANY motherboard that isn't shit that has the same CPU socket as the one you pick (It will show it when you select it) ANY optical drive (If you need one)

Then proceed to play older games because they are better.

>>378233447
this

>>378232356
>5 years ago. Maximum was 500$.
15 years ago, maybe
you don't need to buy the flagship model, or day of release

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this is my ancient computer, should I just get a GTX 1060 or do I need to update anything else?

>>378232356
As long as you keep buying overpriced models blindly, they will exist

>>378233849
That CPU is pushing it.

But you need a new motherboard to get anything decent.

Buy the 1060 first, see how games perform and if it's not enough find a CPU/MOBO combo deal.

>>378233849
if I were you I'd save money to build a brand new PC with a more powerful and recent CPU

>45nm technology

outch

>>378232356
PC has:
Ports of console games
Nothing worth mentioning in 2017
Monopolies on computer parts, so they charge ridiculous amounts
Retail priced games that are digital only, and infested with DRM

I dropped Steam and PC gaming years ago. It seemed like one huge scam.

>>378233634
>tfw 1360x768

>>378233634
YES GOY, PAY $500+ FOR DIMINISHING QUALITY RETURNS.

Kill yourself. 1080p is fine. 4K will become trivial to render in time and the jump will be nice, but it's not worth paying out the ass for now.

>>378233634
Is this real? What happened to Canada? Did their faux Frenchies win?

>>378233849
Get a new motherboard/CPU nigga

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using a 970 at 2560x1080 is pretty cozy. Came from an iGPU hp laptop so I'm used to big jumps when upgrading. Anything before 2nd gen Volta feels premature, would love to feel that 3440x1440 144hz at more affordable prices

>>378232356

Paid 400 bucks for GTX 980 and it runs everything modern smoothly. The prices are pretty much the same, except you don't have to buy the best performing card to play all games available.

>>378233447
1440p looks a lot nicer and 120fps is the same. both also give you an edge in shooters. pushing 120fps in 1440p is really hard for nearly all cards

>>378233815
The fastest single GPUs you could buy in 2012 were the GTX 680 and the HD 7970. Both cost around $500.

2013 is when Nvidia released the first $700 and $1000 GPUs, but idiots bought them anyway.

>>378232403
i'm earning above national average... which totals to 750$ per month.

bloody 1080 costs about 700$ over here.

>>378234793

750 before or after taxes? Because if thats the national average, you must live in eastern Europe or something.

Just bought an used oc'd 960 for 90 euros, literally no reason to buy them new anymore.

>>378234240
Canada has had a few French-Canadian PMs. That's not the problem. The problem is simply Trudeau.

>>378233226
It's so retarded how CPUs are used. Rendering 3d, making videos or digital painting? 8 cores can go up to max.

Playing AAA game of the year with millions in budget? One core does 100% of the work and the rest are ignored.

>>378234240
I live in Europe and lately I've been embarrassed to tell people I'm Canadian. Trudeau is turning the country into a laughing stock.

>>378233849
Step it up to a Socket 1150 mobo and cpu. You should be able to find those relatively cheap. Hell, I just bought a mobo and i5 4960k for like 150 booms for a friend...

>>378235540

Pretty funny how all modern games run without problems on this rig, yet sometimes Toon Boom Animate Pro 2 crashes just because the scene I animate is so complex it makes my system hiccup.

And Toon Boom is vector-based too so its not the filesizes which are the problem either.

I'm just about to pull the trigger on a Ryzen 1600x and GTX 1050 ti setup. Anything obviously wrong with this?

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>>378232957

>>378232356
>5 years ago max was 500$

Are you dumb as fuck? GTX 690 was 1000$, GTX 780ti was 680$, TITANS are always over 1000$.

You do NOT have to pay over 500$ for a good card, especially now. The 1060 or 1070 are fantastic cards for under 500$.

(I'm not up to date with AMD but I'm sure they have even better deals).

>>378235540
Agreed, but it seems to be universal between almost all games, you can't just say it's shitty AAA devs even though they are shitty either way.

Do you know the reason for this?, why is so hard to utilize other cores?

>>378235950
I'd recommend a cheaper cpu and higher-tier gpu

>>378235950
Get a 1060, you will not regret it.

>>378232535

yes, nobody is forcing you to play at 240 fps 4k

I bought a GTX970 from a guy 2 years ago for less than $200 because you people told everyone it was a memecard and only sperglords use them.

Been happy with it ever since. Fite me.

>>378235950
Get RX580 8GB or 1060 6GB, whichever is cheaper

>>378232356
A RX 470 is enough for anything today, unless you want to play everything on "ultra" which is normally a meme setting that doesn't actually do anything except eating fps. You can play pretty much everything at 60@1080 or even 1440p for some good downsampling with high settings.

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Why does my speecy show this instead of proper specs?

>>378236007
Because you need to synchronise data betweenall cores and that gives you some performance at the cost of latency and exponential programmingdifficulty.

>>378236660
What about460 for 1080p stable 60fps? Medium settings?

I built my PC like one or two years ago....

Gtx 970, i7 4790k, 16gb cl9 ram

And I get 25-30 FPS in S.T.A.L.K.E.R: Shadow of Chernobyl... with settings on medium and at 720p resolution (using a tv as monitor). And it's a freaking 2007 game!

The card was a good bang for the buck at the time, but there's no way you can run games maxed at 1080p.

I tried ARMA 2 as well, and same thing. Around 30 FPS in 720p, with minimum settings this time. I don't think it's my ram or CPU, since I took the best at the time to work with video editing and photoshop.

>>378236007
tl;dr seems to be that it takes more time to code. Say you want to calculate the paths for 500 soldier AIs when given an order. The smart way would be to have a system that spaces the dispatching between a bunch of threads spaced in time to not have a shitload of power needed all at once. This takes time to code so you just go 500 times -> GoTo and voila. Product launched.

>>378237173
Yea, the games are obviously defaulting to your integrated GPU.

>>378235975
States have their own minimum wages. New York is 10 I think

>>378232356
Because nowadays the discrepancy between resolutions is so great. If 1080p and 4k displays are both relevant in the market, you can be damn sure gpu companies will sell "enthusiast" hardware to those willing to buy.

>>378237069
I think it would. Most benchmarks show the 460 pull ~40fps in games at high/ultra settings, so it seems likely that tweaking the settings would get you 60fps. At the $100 msrp, the 1050 is better most of the time, though

>>378236791
prebuilt or laptop

>>378237649
Willone work well with i5 2400?

>>378235540
>One core does 100% of the work and the rest are ignored
Multi-threading has been a thing for a decade now, anon. I honestly don't know a single modern AAA that doesn't utilize more than 1 core.

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If you're still at 1080p mid range cards are perfectly fine for high settings 60 FPS

>>378237281
Nope. That's what I thought, but it's not the case.

And all drivers are up-to-date.

>>378237841
What's your GPU usage look like while playing?

>>378233226
t. Retard

>>378237375
As of September 2016, the average wage for Canadian employees was $952 a week – or just under $50,000 a year.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average American worker got paid $24.57 per hour in December, or $850.12 per week.

>>378237727
It would work, but keep in mind that the i5 2400 is a 6 year old processor, so not the best performer by today's standards

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>>378237727

>>378237764
sure they'll use it, but a wide majority of games will have the first core do all the work with 2nd and 3rd doing like 5% or something retarded like that

>>378237913
Care to elaborate?

>>378237906
I don't know. I'll have to check. But I see/hear the card starting to spin when I run the game, since I have a window in my case.

>>378233052
This. Don't need a Titan ExTreme 5000 for Oblivion or Fallout New Vegas.

8800 Ultras went for $830+ back in 2007...

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>>378233849
>shit cpu so you have also replace your:
>shit ram
>shit mobo
>also shit resolution so shit screen
>no SSD

>>378236004
>1070 are fantastic cards for under 500$.
it was, now 1080 cost almost the same for 30% more performance

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>>378238356
This.
People complaining about GPUs being expensive today have no idea what they're talking about, $180 GPUs nowadays can play games well at 1440p, meanwhile the 8800 Ultra was getting performance like pic related.

>>378232356
4k meme plus 144hz non-meme plus a shitty economy

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>>378238231
>since I have a window in my case.

underage fag who knows nothing about pc and only want to show his epeen retard detected. I hope your gpu will burn your home down redditor tard ;)

I think that console finally got better than PC for gaming. For example, you can get an Xbox Scorpio for like 300$, and it runs at 4k 60FPS.

To achieve that, you would probably need like a quad-sli titan Xp... which would need a mobo that can handle 4 way sli... and a good cooler so it doesn't melt with that heat...

All this for 4k 60fps... with no AA and shadows on low.

Worth it, or not?

>5 years ago. Maximum was 500$
wat
Still using my 970 meme card 3.5 and it maxes out the newest shit

>>378238231
Download MSI Afterburner m8.

>>378233849
>phenom II
>ddr3 1066
>literal foxconn motherboard

save up for an entire system and don't buy a premade, practically any mid-high-end GPU is wasted on your system, sorry anon

>5 years ago maximun was 500€
good joke , when i got mine in 2008 maximun was 4000€

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>$460 meme dollars for an entry GPU

canada was a mistake

>>378239072
Does it work with a Gigabyte gtx 970, or only with MSI cards?

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ur paying for a better quality experience. Which is why it's gonna cost more.

Throw the AMD fags against the walls.

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>>378239175
It works with every modern GPU.

>>378239227
Modern and old

>>378239167
RX480 is not an entry GPU you ignorant leaf, an entry GPU would be along the lines of a 1050.

Just don't buy the expensive cards?
High end is still 300-500 dollars too, the >500 dollar cards are the top end shit that only ultra HD users need

>>378232356
I still use my 7950 to game @1080p, and the processor and RAM is what bottlenecks that build.

A 1060 is cheap and is more than enough for the pleb.

Nvidia has a Monopoly right now on very well performing low power consuming cards, that's why their shit is so over priced.

>>378238167
t. Retard

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>>378232356
Just get one thats a couple years old. You don't need to have the latest one when 99% of the games even on the market will run fine on it. Shit drops in price so fast, especially technology as it's being puked out onto the masses at an alarming rate.

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>>378238986
Calm down, man

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>>378239515

>>378239425
Did you buy an overly expensive PC that you are trying to justify by calling me a retard?

Explain yourself, why would you build a PC over 2K for any reason?

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>>378239716
t. Retard

I'm dropping SSD, getting a cheap (but 7200rpm) no-brand HDD, no-brand RAM (16GB, 2400mhz DDR4), no-brand CPU fan and a cheap chassis, and that way I get a full
GTX 1080, i7 7700K rig for about $1000

(using the PSU from my old build)

>>378237764
>I honestly don't know a single modern AAA that doesn't utilize more than 1 core.
Don't care for most AAA games, and it's not impressive when the games that do use multiple cores only offload a tiny amount of work on anything after the first core like most games do.

>>378239826
You'll do well with that for years and years unless the no-name stuff is really bottom of he barrel and dies after a while

>>378239796
You think you are going to win this chain of replies? it's the weekend and I have ALL day to keep this up.

>>378239826
>I'm dropping SSD
Mistake. If you're going to be using it for games, get an SSD and an i5 instead of the i7.

>>378239950
Oh yeah?! Try me y- ... I mean
t.Retard

You don't need a 1080 anyways, and a 1070 is also super overkill for 1080p. Just get the amd or 1060 knowing that you aren't gonna miss a thing and that there are zero (0) games on PC that take advantage of high end hardware anyways.

>>378240070
Just give me closure anon, why am I retard?

Why?

>>378237973
Yeah but Canadians have to pay tons of taxes to afford importing refugees and african firemen that refuse to fight fires.

increased demand

>>378239004
actually you need one

>5 years ago maximum was $500

No it fucking wasnt you lying cunt

>>378239826
Unless you're getting VR, 4K, OR 1440P, you don't need a 1080 at all. And I've heard the 7700k has overheating issues anyways if it's overcooked. And if you don't plan on overclocking there's no point in getting the k series cpu

>drop 2k on gayman pc
>new games still run like shit because lol fuck optimization

well that was worth

>>378240386
t. Backwater country or australian/nz

Which games need a top end graphics card?

>>378239967
Lol, don't get an i5 instead of an i7. Games are getting more and more CPU intensive nowadays.

Remember a few years ago, when people were saying that 8gb of ram was enough, and that 16gb was overkill? Then Chrome came out, and having a single window eats like 7gb of ram, lol.

Just get an i7, and you'll be good to go.

>>378240535
None. Expensive pcs are a meme. It's funny that everytime this question is asked, no master racer replies. What's even funnier is that the best looking games this gen and last were on the PS4. LMAO

>>378240608
Can you find any benchmarks to support that at all?

>>378239967
Why?
The SSD doesn't help performance in the slightest - It just makes shit load faster.

Also, I need the processor for 3D rendering and video stuff.

>>378239947
I hope so.
Also, even if it dies, it's just HDD and RAM, which will need changing after a while anyway.
Never had a HDD die on me so far, though, and I always just go for the cheap slow ones.

>>378240402
>Unless you're getting VR, 4K, OR 1440P, you don't need a 1080 at all
It's just 100-200 dollars more expensive than the 1070. That's a cheap price to pay for 25% better performance.
Also, rendering work and future-proofing.

>And I've heard the 7700k has overheating issues anyways if it's overcooked
It's already 4.2 ghz, so I think I'll be fine.
Might overclock to 4.6 later, if I feel the need to do so.

>>378240335
Yes bro the taxes are totally being used to push refugees and ruin their white nation and not being used to pay for their free healthcare system

>>378239967
worst tip ever, like >>378240608
said new games are utililizing all threads >>378240754
bf1, watch dogs 2 and literally any new ue4/ea/ubi/source 2 game in future

>>378239004
>and it runs at 4k 60FPS.

Keep telling yourself that

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>>378232356
>Why are graphic cards so expensive.
Lack of competition in the market. Your only performance choices are AMD or nVidia. Intel still shits out potato GRFX even though software rendering still won't be a thing after over an entire decade of them being in denial.

3DFx up and died because they couldn't into 2D or hardware TnL.
Matrox attempted a comeback with the Parhelia but wasn't really interested in an arms race with nVida dominating gaming at the time. They had the professional and medical markets and nobody can touch them there.
Imagination Technologies' PowerVR Kyro I and II were pushed out of the market by Microsoft refusing to provide them the DirectX API support they needed to make their weird chip work. They got their revenge when they got the tech all over the mobile market.
Trident Microsystems made a genuine attempt to return to the video card mark with the XP4 and XP8 but couldn't get their drivers right with hardware that was a tad weak. They just rolled over and gave up for some reason.

That was actual hardware. That doesn't account for the hardware vaporware like whatever Bitboys Oy was claiming they can do.

What motherboard goes well with a 1070 and intel i5?

>>378240754
No but everytime I hear a friend complaining about how his game is crashing and how shit is unoptimized, and how his game is stuttering, hes always got an i5. It's anecdotal but I've never ran into issues with my i7 6700k.

>>378232502
I live in the budget. Just because you can pay a ton of money for "ultra" doesn't mean you have too. Medium High is almost exactly the same for 1/3 of the cost.

>>378240535
Star Citizen :^)

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>tfw new pc didn't come with qt trap gf

what's the point then

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>nvidia experience now has a login
>not going to let me use shadow play unless I hand over personally identifiable information

>>378240932
Then don't whine when the nation with the superior economic system gets better prices on everything and less sharia.

nobody is forcing you to play at 4k. get an rx580 8gb and be done with it.

>>378240997
>>378241193
Sure, but if you can find any kind of evidence that an i7 is a worthy investment over an i5 in terms of video game performance then i'll jump right on board, don't just say things.

Post something from a credible source.

>>378232642
Costs of R&D, more sophisticated production and manufacturing which adds to increased costs due to adding more and more transistors with smaller chipsets, far more sophisticated cooling, and even cards themselves in terms of sheer material and size are several times larger than the older counterparts. Between that and the increasing costs of everything in general, it's pretty obvious to see why top end cards as expensive as they are (though you don't need a 1000 dollar GPU unless you're trying to do 4k in the first place).

>>378241421
Star Citizen needs a miracle

how long will a 1060 6gb last me?

>>378241551
yeah what the fuck was that

I just said fuck it and used my google account because it was holding my goddamn driver update hostage

>>378237973
950 CAD equates to only 700 USD, you retard. Your money has more buying power by a mile.

We also have way higher costs of living, especially west coast.

>>378240178
>a 1070 is also super overkill for 1080p.
No it isn't. A 1070 will last you for a few years at 1080p.

I feel ya, as a poorfag whos on need of a new graphic card im going to get a gtx 1050 ti (my 560 broke)

>>378233226
>tfw fell for the mechanical keyboard meme

>>378242391
>he's not happy with his corsair K70

>>378234240
He wear those socks because he going to get closer to the NATO standards but he dont want to look like an ebil conservative so they are pink.
Trudeau accent is literally nuCanadian.
He doesn’t sound like a Canadian or a Quebecer.

>>378241773
Did I quick search and there's a benchmark showing an i7 having 20 FPS more than an i5 in Fallout 4.

I bet you saw benchmarks of Age of Empires 2 or Duke Nukem 3d... which are old games, that were not developped to take advantage of the i7 tech.

Keep giving bad advice to people. They'll have to upgrade their CPU in like one year.

>>378235787
If it makes you feel better, half of Europe is a laughingstock too.

>>378243056
So SHOW me that fucking benchmark, for fuck sake.

Or even better, show me a few cases where this happens.

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Why would anyone want to break into the PC gaming hardware market with consoles and mobile dominating everything today?

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>>378232502
define ''respectable''

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>>378241532
>pantsu on before garter and stockings.
even the traps here are permavirgins. Pantsu goes on after so you can pull them off for missionary intercourse
step it up senpai

>>378243203
I'm on tablet. But I typed "i5 vs i7 gaming benchmark" on google image. And please, don't even mention old games that DO NOT take advantage of the i7 technology.

>>378232356
Its doesnt cost a lot for a 290x and a 6700k these days.

Plenty of bang for buck if you know where to look.

>>378232356
There is absolutely no need to buy something like a 1080 if you can't afford, you can get fantastic performance from much cheaper or used cards

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>>378243495
(you)

>>378232957
There is a new tax too for electronic recycling

>want to upgrade gpu
>can't decide which one to buy
>stuck with shit gpu

shit sucks

>>378243646
>turn off AA
>turn off DoF
>turn off Motion blur
>turn off light shafts
>turn shadows to medium
>set textures to ultra
>get 120+FPS

>>378243805
I just did that same thing and what would you know, fucking nothing.

I'm not trying to make you look like a fool, I just want to look up and understand the difference between i5 and i7 cpus.

The quick rundown is this.
Will see a performance increase of over 10FPS
>ARMA 3
Will not see a performance increase of over 10FPS
>Everything else.

>>378242596
It's a Filco Majestouch II.

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>>378243956
Who do you think you're fooling, anon? I grew up with PC gaming. In the 90's is was well ahead of the tech curve. In the 00's it pioneered much of the social integration and multiplayer framework we take for granted today. It was more innovative and experimental than anything Nintendo was willing to put on a cart or Sony was willing to burn to disk. Today? Show me any of that.

>>378244290

And guess what, ARMA 3 was one of the first games to SLIGHTLY use the advantage of the i7. And it had a good 10 FPS advantage. Now, if you were not retarded (or a liar), you would have seen the Fallout 4 benchmarks with the 20 FPS advantage.

People are paying 400$ extra for some GPUs just to get 20 FPS more. Why not add one hundred more to your CPU and get an i7, which is gonna give you more FPS in the recent and future games, plus help you in your daily multi-tasking as a bonus.

Oh, and by the way. All the other games you've s probably seen in the benchmarks--like Crysis, Fallout 3, or Grid--are games that were not developed to take advantage of i7 CPUs unfortunately.

The fact is, that the most recent games are starting to take advantage of it... and having an i7 will get you a 10-20+ FPS (and more, in the future) increase, which is HUGE.

P.S: Don't give bad advice to people, especially when money is in question and they are on a tight budget.

>people unironically recommending the 1050 ti
this is why

>>378232356
Because once you make your build you'll only need to update your graphics for about 10 years, before needing to consider upgrading other components.
Its very affordable if you have a job.

can I get the 1080ti while having an i5 6600k or will I bottleneck the shit out of myself

thinking of getting a 1440p 144hz monitor

>>378245698
Sure, now if you would be so inclined please get on your computer and POST SOMETHING to back this up.

These points in particular
>Why not add one hundred more to your CPU and get an i7, which is gonna give you more FPS in the recent and future games

>The fact is, that the most recent games are starting to take advantage of it... and having an i7 will get you a 10-20+ FPS (and more, in the future) increase, which is HUGE.


And for that last statement
P.S: Don't give bad advice to people, especially when money is in question and they are on a tight budget.

It is YOU recommending people spend more for little or no performance gain.

>>378239004
Why are you so retarded?

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>>378234071
>tfw 1366x768

>>378237173
I hope this is bait, for your sake anon.

>>378240247
What's wrong with you?

>>378245995
Im.about to get it, whats so bad about it?

>>378245698
You are the biggest retard here. And you proved it in your first fucking paragraph.
Arma 3 didn't gain performance with i7 because of the extra threads. It gained performance because of higher clock speeds.
If anyone wants extra cores/threads they should just buy the ryzen 5 1600. Not buy a meme cpu like the i7

>>378246326

Are you stupid, or just trolling?

If you look at the price of GPUs and their performance, a difference of 400$ will get you around 20 extra FPS. People are ready to spent 400$ for 20 FPS.

Why not get those 20 FPS by spending 100$ bucks more on your CPU and get an i7? You'd save 300$ and get the same FPS.

Gtfo, troll.

>>378245698
Since you aren't willing to compromise on your position here is some actual performance, now fuck off.

i7-4770K vs i5-4670K
https://ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1061&page=13
i7-6700K vs. i5-6600K
https://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=3948&page=8


http://www.trustedreviews.com/intel-skylake-review-core-i7-6700k-and-core-i5-6600k-review-gaming-benchmarks-performance-page-4

http://techbuyersguru.com/intels-core-i5-6600k-vs-i7-6700k-vs-i7-6900k-games

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6600K/3502vs3503

If you can't read.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu_VmV8NM_M

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>>378232356
>tfw 6yo gaymen laptop
>tfw 1gb gpu memory
>tfw underclock processor 20% so it doesnt go to 100 oC and shut down

thank god for ps4 lul

>>378240932
>wait 6 years for knee replacement.
>Will be dead before it happens

LOL public health care is liek t3h best.

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>>378232356
the rx 580 is cheap as fuck

the only problem is the availability

its always out of stock every fucking time

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Might as well ask about this here.

My graphics card is dying and I'm going to need a replacement soon. What's a good card for 1080p, preferably for $140 or less? I don't really care about catching up to the current standard, but if I have to get a new card anyway, catching up to a few years ago might be nice.

Pic related: My specs. I'm pretty sure the GPU is the only thing really holding me back.

What games?

I mean what games do people use modern graphics cards on just curious. lol

I'd like to know, considering upgrading my ancient one

>>378248062
the 1050ti has an msrp of $150, but you can find it for around $130-140. It's probably the best current-gen card for that price, but keep in mind that it's still a budget card

maybe another option would be to find a used gtx 970 or r9 390 for $140, but that would come down to luck

>>378248062
Are you fine with used goods? You could probably get a 1060 / 970 / 780Ti for around that price.

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>>378232356
>mfw still using i5 2500k and Radeon HD 6950
It still works suprisingly well

>>378248062
1050ti pretty much the only one for that budget.

https://youtu.be/BdwUsalwBJ8

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>>378246159
blease resbond

>>378247207
>science studio

thanks man that channel is a goldmine.

>>378249346
Naturally varies with games, but the general rule is that your CPU becomes less relevant the higher your resolution is (at 4k+ practically irrelevant, at 1440 there's still some variation). You'd be A-OK with a 6600k. For purely gaming purposes it's better to invest in a proper GPU instead of going 'overboard' on a high-end CPU.

>>378247207
>A processor designed with overclocking in mind doing better then a processor that wasn't
WOW WHO'D HAVE THUNK IT

>>378249631
Thanks. I sure hope I won't have to buy a new power supply though, isn't there some website where you can calculate the power consumption based on your components?

technically still the best computing power/price ratio you can get off the shelf

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>>378232356
>5 years ago. Maximum was 500$.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha haa!
2005 called! It's $600 btw.

>>378249223
Same, but a 7970 instead. The power of TAHITI

>>378232642
>I am talking about High End Gfx card 5 years ago were 500$ now they are 1000$

What are you talking about? Even the 1080ti is $700, unless you're referring to the meme-tier Titans.
The 780ti was $700 when it released as well.

But things are even better today, five years ago the low-range gaming cards were pretty meh, but today they tear ass.
RX 570, 580, and GTX 1060 are all incredible at their $200 price point compared to what you got five years ago for the same price.

>>378249785
There are probably dozens, just google power supply calculator.
But if I had to recommend,
outervision.com/power-supply-calculator is good.

>>378250061
>$500 Monitor

>>378250143
I bought mine for 75.

>>378233226
>unnecessary I7
LOOOL

>>378250061
What's wrong with a decent monitor to enjoy at all those 'great games out there already than you will ever have time to play'?

>>378250252
Do you wanna go down this path anon

>>378235787
im pretty sure the USA is winning the idiot race

>>378249161
>the 1050ti has an msrp of $150, but you can find it for around $130-140. It's probably the best current-gen card for that price, but keep in mind that it's still a budget card
What would that mean in practical terms? Would it be that I can play everything up to two or three years ago with no problems but have to turn some things down in brand new games? Or would brand new games not be an option? Or would I have to make a lot of adjustments to settings even in older games?

>>378249181
My only problem with used goods is that I have OCD about things being clean (it's not exactly germaphobia, but it's similar; more of a psychological thing where I just can't stand the thought of other people's bodily "stuff" on me), but I imagine an unclean card wouldn't work anyway, so no one would sell one, so that might work.

>>378250363
Yes. Go for it.

>>378248062
rx 470/570

>>378250420
Then find me some benchmarks supporting an i7 being a worthy investment over an i5

>>378250605
>Do you wanna go down this path anon
So what happened to this edginess?

>>378250836
I'm just looking for a fight desu, gimmie them benchmarks

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>>378250836
>that
>edgy

>>378250395
>What would that mean in practical terms?
it just means that you may not be able to max out some of the more graphically demanding modern games. The card is pretty good for 1080p/60fps on almost every game if you don't mind adjusting quality settings a bit

>>378247150
He's completely right, retard. Investing in CPUs is beyond retarded if you're strapped for cash. Going form an i5 to an i7 gives the WORST dollar/frame ratio of any hardware upgrades.

Also: your bullshit about "The future and cpu hungry games" is pure speculation, no new game has shown a drastic increase in cpu requirements.
>inb4 Bf1
Battlefield series have always needed a decent cpu, that doesn't mean it's worth-wile to throw out cash for an i7.
What retards like you can't seem to grasp about pc gaming is that unless you need the hardware power right now or in the immediate future there's no reason to shell out money for it. For instance, buying a high-end GPU, so it can last you for 6 years is moronic, to say the least, because it'll be much more cheaper and effect in terms of price/performance to buy a mid-range gpu now and then, if you need it, upgrade to the newest mid-range GPU in three years time.

>>378250928
You challenge me to this "path" and yet you have nothing? Silly faggot.

>>378251130
I do have this
>>378247207

>>378251042
>being poor

>>378250990
Okay, thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'm honestly not that concerned with graphics anyway, so that sounds like a good option.

>>378251205
I'm not poor, but I am calling that faggot out on giving shitty advice to someone who is.

>>378238986
I'll raise you have shit specs and have nothing to show and that's why he makes you so angry.

>>378251312
>I'm not poor
Sure thing, Pedro

>>378251291
It's also easier on the electricity bill than used older higher-end cards.

>>378251130
Anon you better not bail on me, the other guy did.

All I want from this world is "Alright, you got me" and then I can leave this fucking thread.

>>378251042
>bought a i7 920 8 years ago
>still holds up today
>bought a q6600 10 years ago
>its a piece of shit today

>>378251565
Good point. It'll probably last longer, too, which is another point in its favor. Upgrading is always a real annoyance for me because I don't really know much about computers (after all, I'm only doing it now because I literally need to), so the less I have to do it, the better.

>>378232356
You don't need the absolute top tier shit.

>>378252006
An i7 920 does not hold up today are you kidding me?

The newest pentium blows that shit out of the water.

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>>378252006
>bought a i7 920 8 years ago
>still holds up today

>>378251042
Sure...

Let's forget the 20 FPS increase in recent games with an i7. I guess 20 FPS is not much...

Obviously he GPU is more important, but this other low iq cunt said that i7 CPUs are useless... and provided benchmarks of 15 years old games, that aren't using the i7 tech. No shit Sherlock.

But hey, you can keep giving poor advice to people.

"4GB of RAM is more than enough for gaming"

"A 200W PSU is just fine for your quad-sli Titan Xps"

"i7 CPUs are useless... just get an i3/i5 or an AMD one"

"Hurr durr"

Then people wonder why their 800$ GPUs are bottlenecked and give them low performances...

>>378252006
>>i7 920 holds up
Playing Age of Empires 3?

>>378252403
Here we go, the motherfucker is back again without benchmarks still citing +20FPS in one game that he wont even post.

JUST

POST

SOMETHING

ANYTHING, anything at all that affirms that an i7 is better than an i5 for gaming, still after all this time you refuse to activate those fucking neurons.

And what is all this shit?
>"4GB of RAM is more than enough for gaming"

>"A 200W PSU is just fine for your quad-sli Titan Xps"

>"i7 CPUs are useless... just get an i3/i5 or an AMD one"

What was the mindset? maybe if I put words in his mouth then suddenly I can justify my i7?

>>378241404
>I live in the budget. Just because you can pay a ton of money for "ultra" doesn't mean you have too. Medium High is almost exactly the same for 1/3 of the cost.

Yup. I used to do the high end dance when I was younger. I convinced myself through some research to try on the new "sweet spot" $$$/performance card, and I noticed such little difference that it's all I consider whenever it's time to upgrade now. Paying $400+ for a gpu is retarded, unless you're one of those fags with a 5 monitors all on 4K setup for vehicle sims.

>>378246159
Literally look around youtube my dude. That being said, I run an OC i7 3770k, but I got a 1080 without going OC prior, so our builds are comparable. The 1080ti is a bit of a leep from a 1080, so while you might not say bottleneck, you'll possible throttle some on that cpu. I'd say get a better one, or get a regular 1080.

>>378232356
Get a job poorfag. I just picked up a 1070 for 250 bucks. 980 ti are like 50 bucks cheaper.

>buy an i7 6700k and a 1070
>still can't run games at 4k with high settings
the fuck was the point of this

>>378253531
meme games made by dumb slavs don't count

>>378253607
GTAV wasn't made by slavs and that shit chugs at 45 on Ultra at 1080p

>>378253531
You need a 1080ti to be able to play 4k games.

is a 270 good? Cause thats what I have.

>>378253531
define´what you mean with "can't run" and name the games you are unable to run before going fully disingenuous.
Also you may not have known this, but at resolutions of 4K and above, performance is almost totally tied to your GPU.

>>378253732
Or a 1080, but that'll set him at a solid 30 frames.

>>378252782

You ckearly know that I'm on tablet, and you want me to go copy links, and paste them here? I told you EXACTLY what I typed in Google Image, PLUS, I told you EXACTLY which game was tested.

Yet you're playing the dumb fool that can't find it, and instead links some benchmarks on 10 year old games.

Stay mad.

P.S: Thank god I already built my PC and made my research by myself, instead of listening to some dumb fucks online, telling me that a Pentium 4 is the same as an i7 4790k because some Age of Empires II benchmarks say so.

P.P.S: Please, post some university degree before replying, because I won't lose any more time with dumb high school kids like you.

>>378232356
5 Years ago top end cards targeted 1080p@60.

Today top end cards target 4K@60 and high end cards target 1080p@144, mid range cards do 1080p@60 and cost half of what the top end did 5 years ago, graphical processing has actually gotten much much cheaper.

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>>378233226
>not having RGB LED RAM

>>378241775
How do you explain that situation when we were stuck on 28nm for the longest time?

>>378253801
Can't run means sub-60 FPS, usually floating around 45-50 with noticeable frame drops.

Victims include Grand Theft Auto V, The Witcher 3, and NuDoom.

>>378253713
there is something wrong with your card since with my gtx 980 at 1080p Ultra 35 is my minimum fps. I'm averaging closer to 75 fps. If i turn down AA i'm sure i can get an extra 10-15 fps

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>>378233634
>he doesn't game on 3440x1440 @100Hz

>>378232356
high end PC's keep going up and also now need to be replaced within a couple of years. Parts that used to be cheaper people now demand you get high end gaming versions of.

>>378239167
Just get sapphire like i did for 239 dollars you imbecile

>>378253827
I don't understand anon

Whatever fucking tablet you are on you can surely copy and paste a SINGLE url?

Or is it that this information does not exist, and that people like you have been an in joke in the community for years? really makes you think.

>Thank god I already built my PC and made my research by myself

At least tell me where you found out this information that does not seem to exist anywhere online? where is this holy grail of information that only you have access to?

But sure, keep defending your purchase until the end of time, because if I had spent money on something I didn't need I would be mad too, I get it anon.

>>378254031
Yeah, that's pretty much a case where you need a better GPU for them frames, GTA V especially is pretty notoriously optimised though. I haven't personally played it, but I thought nuDOOM ran better than that, that's a bit of a bummer. If you were planning on playing modern AAA titles from the get go, you should have probably gone for a 1080 though. I guess you still have SLI.

If it makes you feel any better there are tons of other games out there that will look amazing at 4K and will actually run at 60+ fps. But yeah, if you're for some reason only looking to play the recent AAA titles at 4K, you should have definitely done research on the GPU, all the info is literally behind a single google search.

>>378241907
This. You Americans have nothing to complain about when you cannot find one single house on its own with a garage for less than $800K in the fucking suburbs.

>>378235787
i live in germany and we get news about how trudeau is "cool and hip"

>>378232356
I bought a factory refurbished evga 1070 with backplate for $290 on newegg

Step it up, senpai

>>378232356
get a job you pleb

i upgrade my computer parts every 2-3 months, and do a total renew cycyle all 6 months at least

>>378254534
You're trying to convince yourself, and justify the fact that you are giving poor advice to people here.

When I bought my pc parts, I bought everything in double for a friend. Every single thing... except the CPU, since my friend wanted to save 100$.

And guess what?

When we compare our FPS in Battlefield 1, he has around 25 FPS less than me. Both PCs are the same, except that he has an i5, and I have an i7 4790k. Yet I get 25 FPS more than him, using the exact same resolution and settings.

Weird?

"B-b-b-but his drivers are not up-to-date hurr durr"

"Show me proof hurr"

If you want be delusional, it's up to you... But don't come here to post wrong information.

Thank you.

>can happily play all the games i want on cards that came out 2 or 3 years ago
>not a graphicswhore
>more money to spend on games (and the games with the next-gen graphics are all AAA trash and not worth playing anyway)

>>378254785
then move, retard. liberal shitholes have a high cost of living.

>>378255842
'liberal shitholes' i.e. the places where all your country's GDP is made

>>378255794
>Can happily go from a to b in my 2001 honda civic
>Don't like how Ferrari look anyway

>>378255493
How is this at all relevant?

You think this is proof?

W..Well! M..My FRIEND TOTALLY GOT THE SAME PC EXCEPT THE CPU AND I GET +25FPS!

Say this was true, which isn't. it's completely anecdotal.

If this was true then you would be able to back it up, we are still at the same stage as when we started, how can you be so stubborn?

And since when is "Show me proof hurr" an insult?.

After all this time you are still just making irrelevant statements, do people this dumb really exist?, are you going to come out and say I was only pretending to be retarded anytime soon?

>>378255842
Great then I can be unemployed

>>378255794
Lol, actually the AAA games are well optimized and don't need huge power.

I get like 160 FPS in Battlefield/Battlefront and about 120 in GTA V. Yet in a 2007 game like Stalker, I struggle to get above 30 FPS. Even the "indy" games today require a lot more power, like Battlegrounds, Star Citizen, Squad, Rust, Ark, etc.

>>378232957
that's what you get for being a communist lover leaf

enjoy jihad you canadian piece of shit

I want to fall for the 144hz meme but I watch streamers with crazy gear fail to pull frames good enough to justify it

I mean I do enjoy counterstrike but if that is the only title that will benefit I am not sure I can commit

>>378232403
how is this ever an argument for things being expensive

>>378249876
in 2007 the gt8800 single slot gpu was second to top of the line for 250$ and could run crysis on high
thanks JewVidia

>>378256193

Most of those indie games are optimized like dogshit flavor of the omnth cashgrabs. they'll never be optimized, they're just a "pay an LPer to play our memegame and then cash in" business model like the Goat Simulator dev did. (I guess they stopped selling, haven't seen another Goat Sim lately)

stalker had a finicky engine and you had to tweak shit. also it had bad shaders, modders put in better ones.

>>378232356
What, do you think you need a card for 500$?

Unless you plan on playing all the latest games in 4k 60+ fps you don't need a 500$ gpu. The 1060 will basically max everything out at 1080p 60-120fps. I'm still using my 3.5gb meme card and it still basically maxes everything out, i simply adjust one or two settings that barely affect visual quality and get going.

Yeah, it's not cheaper than a console, but you get what you give. And you don't need to buy everything at once. Get a job and stop being a parasite, save up some money and do your research.

There are plenty of good value pleb components out there that will serve you well. Quit shitposting and whining on /v/ and go make your dreams come true. Go, my son.

>>378256319
what all do you play? i got a 1440p 144hz monitor and was surprised to get 80-100fps on r6:siege with my 390x at 1080p im sure that would got to 120+ fps

>>378256193
>struggle to get 30fps in stalker
nigger, i get 30fps in the lost alpha, with may more polys and more dynamic lighting than the real stalker release, forget "30fps" in a properly optimized stalker mod like autumn aurora, youre retarded and you suck at PC.

>ukfag
>want to get a new phone
>huawei p9 costs nearly 600$ new
>get a 2nd hand one for 270$ that's pretty much in perfect condition, freshly reset

>want to get a new GPU
>GTX 1070 costs 450$ brand new
>2nd hand costs 410$
>2nd hand probably busted to hell from all the cryptocurrency mining


Why is this bullshit acceptable?

is it because phonefags are massive sheep that upgrade 500-800$ phones every year while the "master race" is full of faggots who use the same GPU for 6 years?

>>378256062
I told you where the proof was, but you want to stay blind... because "truth hurts" like they say.

So tell me, what can have a 25 FPS impact, if everything is the same except the CPU?

"B-b-but it's not true... tell your friend to show me a picture of his rig, and then post me your order receipt PICTURE taken with a camera, so no possible Photoshop editing. What? What did you say? You can post that proof? It's because it's not true! Hurrr durrr"

Get the fuck out of her, filthy trolling piece of shit. You're really, really getting annoying now.

Again, stay delusional. But don't tell people what to buy, and what not to buy... unless YOU post proof of games taking advantage of the i7 tech, and having the same FPS with an i5 and an i7.

Pro-tip: You can't.

>>378256857
don't most people get their phones on contract and pay for them monthly?

>>378232356
Because they're not?
Technology is getting better while also getting cheaper. If you look at the best card out of all of them of course it's gonna be expensive. But cards like a 1050, 1060, 970, they're affordable and they will last for a long time.

>>378256486
8800 GT and GTS were loadsabang for the buck
but GTX was ridiculously expensive

I miss the days of reasonably priced GPUs actually being powerful enough for just about anything.

>>378256986
Your proof was you saying that you saw something, on google images..

Your next stunning piece of evidence was telling my that your friend totally does not get as many frames as you when using the same setup except for the cpu.

So lets start there, what cpu do you both have, then i'll link you to a site disproving it and we can move on.

it's not that fucked, I got a gtx 1060 for 239 €.

>>378252442
Not him but same CPU and Prey is still more limited by my 950 than by the processor.

>>378257271
Don't bother, anon. The guy is clearly retarded.

>>378257010

stupidfuck sheep do.

>pay 1200 good boy points over 2 years for the dildo S8 (why? to play fucking farmville and social media? why do you use such insane specs?)
>not just buying the godamn phone for 650 brand new and paying a fiver every month for 1gb internet and calls/texts.
>not just buying last years flagship model in great condition for 250 and another 60 per year on a cheap subscription


Seriously, phonefags are the real consumerist sheep.

>>378232957
which is why you need to vote for people who are actually going to fight for lower taxes

more importantly, why does mine run at 70c while gaming
>tfw install new cpu cooler
>cpu is now a-ok
>notice GPU runs hot
ffs.

>>378256857
>is it because phonefags are massive sheep that upgrade 500-800$ phones every year

This is the truth. You see, phonefags are normies with jobs and social networks. Their phones are status symbols and having a nicer phone will make them feel superior to the other retards surrounding them.

>>378256319
144hz is nice in multiplayer games but for single player ones its overkill imo
however general computing and net browsing at 144hz is real nice

>>378257483
70c is not hot though

>>378250371
idk man i've made a killing in the stock market since trump won and it shows no sign of stopping. once we get that health care bill finalized I'm going to stop paying out the ass because I'm young and not sick to pay for a bunch of worthless people

>>378256857
>GTX 1070 costs 450$ brand new
Which model?

>>378257268
>I miss the days of reasonably priced GPUs actually being powerful enough for just about anything.
>RX 570 & 580 exist
>GTX 1060 exist
>$200-250

You're either mentally impaired, or woefully ignorant of the current GPU offerings.
Or some weird graphics-card nostalgiafag...

>>378257271
He has an i5 6400.

>>378257889
And what do you have?

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>>378232502
you can get away with a $150 processor and put that extra 100 into a better grafix card, and your computer will be better at running vidya, unless you plan on playing cpu intensive games made for autists like arma or dorf fort

you are shit at computering

>>378257708
...good to know.

>>378257553

but i have to work as a normie and you cant even tell what phone people are using because of the cases.

nobody even cares about another person's phone, I mean, maybe if you were in college or something..

>>378257470
honestly mate i know fuck all about phones. i've had a moto g for close to 3 years now and i haven't even bothered upgrading it because i only have basic needs for it (i like having music and podcasts on it in case i get bored but it's limited to like 6GB memory).

what's a good phone i should buy upgrade to?

>>378257708

yeah, vidya cards are engineered to be pretty damn toasty when they're under load. They're not like CPUs where being hot is an indication something is very wrong and the CPU is having to start throttling itself and queries if you forget to apply thermal paste when you put my cooler on bro?

>>378236791
Speccy hasn't been updated for kabylake yet, use HWinfo or AIDA64 if you want more accurate readings

>>378256986
>>378257889
Alright, I have to go anon, but I hope I have achieved my goal and you are at least eternally mad and will make better purchases in the future.

>>378257991

It was clearly stated in my post above. I'm not gonna re-type it.

By the way, I just found some benchmarks for Battlefield 1... and can you guess what?

The i7 CPU has 18 FPS more than the i5. Weird? Isn't it?

But hey, you probably won't be able to see it on your computer for some strange reason.

Lmfao.

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>got a phenom and a 970
>getting bored with games, thinking about playing less or quitting altogether
>unsure if I should upgrade CPU/mobo/RAM

>>378259046
Can you send me your GPU, if you're quitting?

>>378258558

depends on your budget. if you dont mind amazon prime shilling, the moto g5 plus is like 160$.

honor 8 brand new for 220$.

if you can get 2nd hand version of 2016 flagships for under 300$, get a p9 or galaxy s7 or something.

STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM ANYTHING INFLUENCED BY LG

>>378232502
fucking this. do you really need a 1080ti or whatever the fuck?

>>378232356
What GPU should I get if I want to be able to play modern games at 60 fps on high-medium settings? GTX650 ti isn't cutting it anymore.

I spent $300 on a graphics card like 2 years ago and I can run everything I want to play on max settings. Wtf are you trying to do, render a Pixar film?

>>378232957
You a chink or a frog? Dollar sign goes before the numbers here, buddy boy.

>>378259232
>wanting a 970

>>378235787
No one here has heard anything about Canada ever. Europeans don't care about you, you're about as relevant to the average person as Slovakia.

>>378260234
For 1080p:
1060 6gb
RX 580 8gb

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>tfw pc a literal piece of ancient relic of the past, not much to even upgrade in it.

Suffering, i tell ya

>>378260542
thanks

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>>378260628
holy fuck

>>378233634
Justin from canada is the worst.

>>378232356
guys I have an R7 370 but notice it optimized like shit. What good gpu should I buy than can get play most games at 60fps

>>378236007
The many core approach was advocated for servers and supercomputers in the far past. So when it was used for general computing i.e. gaming, there are problems in adapting it. It's down to the limits of the silicon the major companies thought they could raise CPU frequencies up and over 10ghz in the early 00's. Until they realized with Pentium 4 that it wasn't possible.

>>378232356
It's inflation computer devices themselves are cheaper to produce, in a sense, but also these things are not in huge leaps and bounds stronger gen to gen. I remember early 2000s, and the gpu market was more competitive in the desktop space, it isn't anymore. The main focus is mobile devices and consoles. It could have started after the launch of the 360 and PS3.

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>>378260628
what games do you even play on that machine anon? super nintendo emulated games?

>>378262587
best i have gotten to run on it is Risen 1 and 2 and Borderlands 2, RAM virtualising is a fun thing. I do have an actual good PC, but it is currently few thousand kilometers away from me.

>>378262587
Oh and also everything that you can emulate up to Snes/megaCD, i once tried to emulate DS games and it sort of worked, not much of a gaming experience, but it was something.

>>378233849
>prebuilt

wtf

>>378241830
2 weeks

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>>378256193
>Even the "indy" games today require a lot more power
Damn, they must be *really* shitty programmers if an Indy game from 2009 still struggles on current computers.

I still have a 2500k i5 and GTX 960, can anyone recommend a good cpu/mobo combo to upgrade to?

>>378232356
>When will it be affordable.

Never. Prices only go up they never go down. The $500 GPU days are gone and are not coming back.

You're either going to have to put down the games and pick up more hours at work or get a better job that actually pays more assuming you have the qualifications.

>>378235975
min wage in Ontario is $11.40 right now

>>378264136
what's your budget?

>>378264540
500 to 600 dollars, I was looking at the Kaby Lake i5 unlocked but unsure which mobo to pair with it.

>>378232356
I got conned into the "DUR PC MASTER RAECE" shit. I bought a ~430 dollar graphics card around the time skyrim and bioshoch infinite came out. I can't run modern games on my pc. Shoulda bought a ps4 I think, I'm not sure cause I'm too poor now to upgrade. PC's coolish though. I can play a lot of older stuff for free. Not 400+ dollars worth though I don't think. I'm not a fan of FPS or MOBAs so it was my fault.

>1060 6gb
>580 8gb

WHICH ONE

>>378261943
We're deep into diminishing returns for basically anything that isn't high performance computing or gaming.
We should expect to see gaming hardware becoming more and more of a niche product with prices increasing as time goes on.

The more interesting thing happening now is the advent of powerful system on chip hardware. The danger of them is that they'll be used in low cost locked down devices to kill more expensive open platforms.
I can envision a world where Microsoft has killed PC gaming as we know it and produces a very expensive 'pro' console for several thousand dollars which would be the only system allowed in professional competitive events.
Much in the same way that at one time practically anyone could buy a car stock that was legal for NASCAR, but then the cars essentially became expensive go-karts closed off from the general population.

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>tfw 8800 GTS and Core 2 Duo
>Dota 2 at 35 fps

>>378232403
fpbp

>>378232356
Get a job, frog

>>378234793

Where the fuck do you live where $750 a month is average? I don't even have a fucking college degree and I make $650 a week.

>>378257746

No, you won't, because when those sick people go the doctor's office and just straight up can't afford the care due to having no insurance, the hospital will take care of them anyway and then just charge the government, who will pay the bill using your tax money.

Tell me about it. I need a gpu for my laptop and it's more than one for a desktop

What jobs don't require any skills but pay above minimum wage?

Like $15-25 an hour. I know there are odd jobs. I have a few friends who are either really resourceful or just seem to know all the right people and end up landing these decent jobs that don't require shit but I can never find them. I'm tired of fast food. I want out. What do I need to look for?

>>378241532
Keep trying, anon

>>378244268
or don't do any of that, set it to med/high and get 60fps, because that's all your monitor does, and having ultra textures with no AA and other lighting effects is dumb.

>>378256401
Then you're left with three choices anon:

Buy the card.
Don't buy the card.
Create a competitive alternative for lower prices.

Nvidia and AMD aren't going to sit there and listen to consumers if they're still making money. Intel integrated graphics will never be as good as a separate graphics card. So that leaves us with the choice of sucking it up and buying it, refuse to buy any products so that they have to drop the price to incentive sells, or have a competitor that can drive the price down by virtue of trying to out-compete.

The only alternative to those three options is simply earn more money to accommodate a higher standard of living you want for luxury goods.

I don't understand the point of these threads complaining about the pricing of graphic cards. No one here is going to have some warehouse full of graphic cards and come and say "I understand, I'll sell these for $200 for you senpai".

>>378266505
If you know friends who know people, then you know people. Ask you friends for a connection. And you're honestly not looking hard enough.

>>378232356
Yeah, the worst part is there's nothing to play with a high powered graphics card.

Name 2 games on the PC that are good and require a high powered GPU

>>378267194
>And you're honestly not looking hard enough.

Part of the problem is I don't really know exactly what I'm looking for. There's loads of people out there working semi-skilled "learn on the job" types of jobs but I don't even know what to look for to even find a job like that. And every time I ask my friends I get "I don't know anyone who's hiring right now but I'll let you know if I hear anything." I've been hearing this for years.

>>378256401
Why are you complaining about GPU prices when we finally have compelling low-end cards?
You can get an RX 580 for $220 or so, and that can deliver 1080p/60fps at max settings in pretty much every current game.

>>378265806
MINEY CRAFTA

>>378267930
Don't push hard enough. You could just do career fairs too or listen to opportunities for apprenticeships at shipyards, docks, etc. if you live in a coastal city. Gives you skills and a job.

>>378232356
They now cater to normies

Normies work

Normies have money

>>378232356
Where are your question marks.
Why are. you putting. periods everywhere.

>>378269337
1080s are around $500 now, OP is full of shit.

>motherboard dies


RRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE installing that casefan was fucking annoying. Goddamit.

>>378265387

pls respond

>>378232642
Titans and lack of competition raised the price

5 years ago 580 was the top card, gens released after had the top card branded titan while the mid range got the x80 name