Enjoying Fire Emblem Echoes? A bit into the start of Act 2 and

I am.

Should I keep the brave sword or forge it into a rapier ?

and when does boey stop being a useless piece of shit ?

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>>378220239
I am stuck in the finale of act 1 because i must have the fucking draco shield and i am grinding for it. At what level cleric girl (not faye) can promote up?

>>378220626
keep brave
boey is shit
>>378220784
hang in there dracoshield allows you to trivialize maps and make 2 hour maps into 20min maps so overall time save

>>378220626
If you have extras, a Rapier wouldn't be so bad, but Brave Swords are still better.

When RNG decides to throw you a bone.

>>378220784
I got it while everyone was around level 7 or under. Just have Lukas and Alm (or whomever have great defense) pincer the guy on the stairs on the right (the actual boss should be on the area on the left with the use of your Pegasus Knight) And just ping him as much as you can. Just don't attack with the two pincher characters because you want them full just in case of a crit.
>>378220626
Maybe I'm just lucky but so far Boey is doing great with 2 of his 3 levels so far has been 3+ stat ups.

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>>378220239
>story and characters are great

>>378222103

Well it's true, especially compared to awakening and fate

>>378222103
He's not wrong, supports are trash but compare to other FE's the main plot is slightly more in-depth than other games.

>>378222450
>>378222641
Fates plot > Echoes plot

I'm tired of people "Echoes has good writing!"

It doesn't.

Echoes is the Jay Leno of video games. It tries to be as inoffensively bland as possible. The entire plot is riddled with cliches and it plays every single one of them completely straight. "Farmboy who turns out to be a prince teams up with a ragtag group of heroes to fight an ancient evil." No twists or even attempts to be anything more. The villains (Desaix, Slayde, Jedah) come straight out of a Saturday-morning cartoon, and the "grey" villains (Berkut, Fernand) are handily defeated and immediately learn a heartwarming lesson. Even in a series known for uninspired writing, Echoes manages to be less inspired than everything before it. The entire thing reads like the assignment of an unimaginative high schooler in his first fiction class.

Alm and Celica are both so incredibly boring and inoffensive I fell asleep reading their dialogue. Alm is the bog-standard "good" protagonist, like Roy and Eliwood (and a dozen other JRPG protags) except he's actually MORE boring, seriously there's literally NOTHING noteworthy about his personality. Celica is equally terrible, with an added dash of complete stupidity in Act 4. Both of them have been justifiably compared to Gary/Mary Stus in that they're chock-full of good qualities, have no flaws, are one-dimensional, and undergo next-to-zero character development.

Fates writing sucked but at least it was interesting. It tried to do something innovative and failed spectacularly, but it was glorious to watch. People will be shitting on Fates plot for years to come. Echoes will be forgotten in a month.

>>378222829
I expected this copypasta would come out.

>>378223251
It'll be there every time dumbasses claim Echoes has good writing.

In who i should use the boots?

>>378224409
celica

>>378222829
>Why does this NES remake act like a NES game?!
Just enjoy the ride faggot. Fates writing tries to have twists and character arcs but failed on every level. SoV maybe feel basic but it does it well enough that I can just smile at the simple things.

>>378224960
some of us look for more than mediocrity

>>378220239
Enjoy it while you can, because it gets worse in Chapter 3, particularly for Celica's side. The story also gets worse as you go on, again for Celica's side as she starts to channel her inner Corrin.

>>378225185
It's a remake of a NES game. After Awakening and Fates to me Echoes is a breath of fresh air. You can hate it for not enhancing things enough but personally it does a nice job at what it set out to do and made me hopeful for the next Echoes game.

>>378225419
It played everything as safe as possible. I'd rather a game take risks than settle for mediocrity. The worst sin isn't being bad. The worst sin is being forgettable.

>>378225639
Fuck you made me laugh.
Fates characters fail at existing.
They are basic anime tropes mixed with incest and some eroticism.
They are not even characters.
They are jokes.
Fates does not even try to do something new.
What it does is stupid marketing to sell three games of which only one has good game design.
It literally has the worst characters that you could wish for and the worst lord.
They are not even good at dying since the ones who do so don't even do shit until their death.
Fates is below mediocrity.
To call Fates mediocrity it would be like to call pretty shit "mud".

>>378226516
again you are completely missing the point

Fates writing sucked, but it was ambitious, attempting to write a plot spread out over 3 separate games with 2 different character casts. Its characters may be anime tropes, but at least it gave them lines instead of literally 1 support. Like the Titanic, Fates tried to do something new and failed spectacularly, but people will remember the glorious sinking for years to come.

>>378226798
>eating shit with glitter is better than eating a simple slice of meat

>>378227039
>food analogy

>>378227212
>playing a games covered in shit is better than playing a game covered by a simple slice of meat

>>378225419
No reason a remake needs to be as bad as the original.

Sonya doesn't learn seraphim. What should I reclass her to /v/?

>Azura called out on her bad writing
>/feg/ defending Celica to the death on her even more retarded shenanigans

This is why no one likes Oldfags, they are the biggest hypocrites and closet waifufags.

>>378227729
>reclassing non mercs

>>378227743
>being a stupid idealist is worse than actively negating information costing thousands of lives

Really?

>>378227729
Cleric so she can get Seraphim. It's sad that IS is at the state where they are so blatantly trying to make people pick a husbando over a waifu.

>>378227385

> retard analogy

What the fuck does that even mean ?

>>378227857
>reclassing non mercs

What's so important of pitchforking mercs?

>>378228115
>Cleric so she can get Seraphim.

It would make her move useful all around. Gonna give it a shot. Seeing as we should be getting 3 pitchforks per save file.

>>378220626
Boey is so bad it's not even funny, Sonya outclassed the shit out of him at level 12 while she's only level 5. At least Mae can keep up.

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Is it time?

>>378228348
You will think about that for the rest of your life
In any caise
Echoes>Fates

>>378228115
Well to be fair the art design really makes the husbando cute enough to want to see until the end.

Holy fuck the fight against Sonya is a bit tricky, any tips on this map? Sonya just walked in and critted Celica to death when I was making some decent progress with getting rid of the witches.

>>378228794
Problem is that instead of making them balanced they nerfed the fuck out of Sonya and buffed Deen, as well as giving Deen a more drastic design change. And even if someone does pick Sonya, they give her the worst ending of anyone in the franchise almost like a punishment for picking her.

And yet somehow she still seems to be more popular. Probably because they forgot to give Deen a personality.

Who is the MVP of Celica's route in Ch 3, and why is it Leon?

Cleric girl in Act I is CUTE
Fist time playing FE game, why peg. Knight sucks so much?

>>378229601
Trust me she doesn't suck, keep leveling her.

>>378229601
because the game revolves around stats and things like movement and unit positioning are worthless

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Why are Catria and her sisters so good? Literally every map I send them to the front lines as a mobile death squad. Mages don't stand a chance, and rarely do archers or mercs do any damage to them.

>>378229778
>>378229897
I probably fuck up at the beginning.
Gray - Merc bretty good with taht lightning sword
Tobin -Soldier, slow and end up doing nothing
Kliff - Mage, bretty good
Faye - Peg knight, good movement but sucks in DMG and health department, still a little bit better than Clair

>>378227729
Why didnt you pick the best dread fighter?

>>378229897
Are you playing on normal mode?

>>378230370
Marth training.

>>378230805
nope, I played on Hard mode and beat the game very easily with no grind. Beat postgame dungeon also.

>>378230431
soldiers suck ass in this game

shoulda made Faye a cleric, that way you get Physic early on. Peg knights are also subpar in this game but serviceable

>>378220626
Boey is an armored mage in everything but design. Shit Speed but great Defense.

>>378230580
I didn't pick him because you already get four dread fighters on top of whoever you want to fork, and Celica's mercs > Celica's mages, since Boey is very flakey and Nomah is worthless. Also Sonya actually has a personality, while Deen is just "Nothin' personnel, kid."

>>378229601
Clair is really good, one of the best on Alm's path.

Where do I go to pick up the free DLC items?

>>378231592
>>378231969
Thanks, dunno if its just me, but i think soldiers are at least decent fighting cav.

>>378231969
not even close. She only seems good because the entire game is easy. I dropped her like a sack of bricks once I reached postgame dungeon. Lack of good lance weapons really her offense (true of any lance unit, in fact I didn't use any lance units for postgame), she can't tank anything, and high movement is useless in small enclosed dungeon maps

>>378230431
You got shit rolls friend. My Faye is literally wiping out whole armies by her self, it's actually absurd how good she is a Pegasus Knight.

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I'll just leave this here.

>>378229601
Generally Pegasus Knights have mediocre bases but really good growths. Give them a bit of favoritism, and they usually turn out great.

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>>378232325
>sexualizing the Priestess

>>378220239
Anyone got any Grima strategies? Or is it just flood him with dread fighters?

>>378231592
>Peg knights
>Subpar
they fucking melt through terrors once they promote

>>378228913
I just spammed Invoke, her and her witches burned themselves out one-rounding the ghosts then I finished them off.

>>378228913
>fighting Sonya
i shiggy diggy

>>378232325
Too bad Celica doesn't look that good in-game. She's really kind of plain.

>>378232490
How can you pappease gods if not like that? I bet your gods are pissed anon

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Which is the Fire Embem with the best plot?

>>378233132
Path of Radiance

>>378220239
>Maps are shit but story and characters are great
>but story and characters are great
>story is great

>>378233132
Either Genealogy or Path of Radiance.

>>378233132
Conquest

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>>378233132
This
>>378233218
Thracia 776 could probably be added, but the fan translation is shit.

>>378233132
Dark Dragon and the Sword of Light.

Not Shadow Dragon, not Mystery. Original NES FE1.

>>378232640
Abuse crit weapons
Abuse Invoke tanking, Genny works best for this

that's the strategy for the whole postgame

>>378232674
+10 damage doesn't mean anything once enemies reach 100+ HP. You're not going to 1RKO, or even do any appreciable damage, without crits, and there are no crit lances

Gray: Mercenary, it's like having a second Alm with slightly less Speed
Tobin: Archer, long range makes him incredibly useful but his stat growths are bad
Faye: Cleric, she got a ton of Attack and hit like a truck
Kliff: Mage, he's okay but outclassed by Delthea later if you level her up

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So how did Faye not immediately kill herself after alms rank 3 support?

>>378233864
Some people aren't so autistic that they'd resort to suicide after getting rejected by their crush.

>>378233864
She rapes him in his sleep.
She leaves the village sometimes to deal with the bastard son.

>>378234148
Most people aren't as autistic that they'd obsess over their crush and never fall in love again after being rejected.

I'm a total pleb, how am I supposed to defeat the mercenary with the shield in chapter one without losing anyone? Silque does 7 damage, Alm does 3 and everyone else does 1. Am I missing something?

How many turns does it take the first cantor you meet to stop summoning? I only brought Celica, Leon, Saber and Genny

>>378234576
You gotta chip him to death

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>>378234670
>cantor
>stop summoning

>>378234670
He won't stop until you kill him.

>>378234576
You should have a mage at that point. What did you do with your villagers?

>>378234576
>let him attack you
>on your turn, eat food to heal

>>378234576
What? My mage killed him alone.

Daily reminder thay genealogy will never be remake unless they completely change the "all the characters you meet are fucking killed in the midgame".

>>378235587
Why would you think that?

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Why is Mathilda such a good unit?

>>378235928
Bigger tits = better stats

>>378235842
Because most of the current FE's fanbase is composed of newfags bought by Awakening. They rage hard uppn unavoidable deaths in Fates, you think they can take tge idea of losing all your army not matter what? Even worse if hidari redesigns all the characters.

>>378235928
Because the game is easy,
Anyone shines when enemies are pathetic.

>>378236127
Explain Doot then.

>>378236140
To be fair some of Fates' unavoidable deaths were pretty dumb.

>Lilith sacrifices herself to a random Facless that Corrin could've killed himself
>Kaze randomly dies in chapter 15 unless you A-rank him, then he magically survives to never be relevant again
>Scarlet gets killed by knight-Wesker for little reason other than to have someone die

>>378236149
Clive exists.

>>378236127
You got me there.

>>378236538
And Clive is fine, base stats of classes make everyone good.

>>378236140
Because in Fates it make no sense for the characters to die and the deaths are fucking retarded.

>>378220239
Very much!
After that's clusterfuck of incomprehensible dialogs from fates it's a breath of fresh air.

>>378234209
>implying she didn't get married to raise Alm's bastard rape children in secret

>>378234148
Faye is that autistic though

>>378233031
Plain girls are the sexist though

>>378220239
Maps are terrible... Does it get better after a while ?
I feel ashamed saying that, but I also actually regret all the supports options from the Fates series.

>>378240379
Nope, maps remain terrible the entire game, though once you reach the swamp levels everything else will seem better by comparison

>>378240819
lol but that's awful ! Is there any point playing this game past act 1 then ? Because so far the story doesn't seem overwhelming...

>>378241697
If you're not liking the game, then stop playing it.

>>378242049
Thanks for this depressing advice. Shame, I was really starving for a new TRPG. Guess I'll try Disgaea 5 then.

>>378220626
Give him a shield and have him tank for you. I put him and valbar on the front. He has okay res too so he has more utility than valbar.

>>378242623
Disgaea games don't exactly have good map design, either, but it has pretty good combat.

I'm replaying Awakening and it's actually better than I remember it being. Are there any units I should avoid like the plague in this game?

>>378242623
disgaea is worse, don't bother

>>378243078
Vaike because even if you reclass him he's dogshit.

>>378242623
Echoes is an alright game. The map design is shit but the game mechanics are designed for it. Overall it's palatable, with the exception of swamp maps and cantors

>>378243078
Vaike is shit
Cherche is shit
that archer you get early on, the guy who speaks like Shakespeare, he's also shit

>>378233442
>Most likely will get Echoes 776 before a good fan translation of SNES
Why?

>>378243059
Maps are nothing serious but I always liked the geoblocs puzzles one. Also, I don't play Disgaea for the same reasons I play FE. Big numbers was all I cared for in D3. Never played the other, so i thought I could give the new one a try.

>>378243287
HOLY F***G CHRIST !!! Would you stop making me unhappy ?! Why ? Is Disgaea something you disagree with in general or is D5 particularly bad ?

>>378243817
Not him but Disgaea is just grinding the game. It's all sparkles and giant numbers while you never really need to think about the battle. So as a SRPG it's kind of bad.
I still love the series for what it is

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>>378243459
FIRE EMBLEM FANS DON'T CARE ABOUT THRACIA 776

>>378244170
>It's all sparkles and giant numbers while you never really need to think about the battle

Well I couldn't agree more on that. Still, I actually liked a lot seeing my Mao and Almaz doing massive attacks that deals millions of damage. Like I said I don't play this game for the same reasons than FE ahah.

>>378243403
Hum, I'll try to stick with it a bit more then. I admit this game have some interesting ideas overall for a FE. Though, I know, some people will probably want to lapidate me for saying that, but I actually liked Kozaki's chara design much more than Hidari's