are we getting older, or is it becoming rarer for games to become

Nah. You wont find genre-defining, but you still will find generation-defining, kinda. Bloodborne was amazing. Persona 5 too. Some argue Breath of the Wild, I wouldnt though.

In terms of new IPs, yeah, not anymore.

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>>378213667
>pic also realste

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>>378213885
>also also relate

>>378213667
>are we getting older, or is it becoming rarer for games to become generation defining?
Nah, it's still the same. It's just more difficult to see it as you are not part of those generations anymore.

What Halo, CoD and Gears of Wars were for 2007-2011, Minecraft, AssCreed, Souls games are since 2012. TW3 might quickly add itself to that list.

The good thing is that the generation-defining games STILL have much more diversity among them now. Where it used to be quite literally just Shooter, a Shooter and a different kind of Shooter, now it's creative sandbox, stealth sandbox, action RPGs... there is a lot more diversity now.

>>378213807
>Persona 5 a generation defining game

Jesus, you anime figurine collectors with anime desktop wallpapers are really delusional. Nobody outside your bubble cares about Persona. It might be a good game but there's alot of good games out there, whoopdie fucking doo. I didn't even own an xbox but even I know Halo was genre and generation defining and set the a blueprint for shooters especially on consoles.

>>378213807
bloodborne is great. i'm not sure most people would label it as generation defining great.

That's what happens when journos are paid to hype everything to the moon and back, eventually they hit the 8foot thick wall of diminishing returns

Skyrim is the most recent generation defining game.
Pretty much every RPG is now following its style.
Hopefully the next thing that comes along isn't so shit.

>>378213667
I;m gonna go out my way here and say halo was shit. I do not understand how it is "genre or generation" defining, nor do I understand why it is a liked game and started a cancerous frnchise.
iirc the game only had like 4-5 different guns, only being able to hold 2 and only about 3 different enemies. the only thing I remember it doing different to any other fps game I had played before was adding vehicles and those segments were shit and the vehicles drove like boats.

>>378215224
What games are even like Skyrim? I struggle to think of even one.

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>>378215592

>>378215407

Was the first FPS on a console that didnt control like shit and ran well

>>378215703
>bioware

almost forgot they existed. kinda tends to slip my mind when a company manages to go 7 years without making a single game worth the mental capacity to remember.

>>378215742
>Was the first FPS on a console that didnt control like shit and ran well
>goldeneye
>perfect dark
>turok 1 and 2
>doom
>duke nukem

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>>378215703
Pic related too.

>>378215703
>AC and BotW
>like Skyrim
lol

>>378213807
I can't say anything for Persona 5 since I haven't played it. I think BotW may have what it takes, but may not have been exposed to enough players to become generation defining. I think Soulsborne will be generation defining but I think most people will mention Dark Souls 1 as the one that defined it.

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>>378213951
also good taste related

>>378216291
no one can deny that vanilla fits the bill as generation defining.

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>>378213667
Overwatch is generation defining
Minecraft is too

>>378215407
Halo did nothing new. They took existing ideas and put them together in a combination that didn't exist back then. Vehicular combat with shield mechanic resulted in a completely different gameplay meta that was something new.

>>378213807
>persona and bloodborne are culturally generation defining games
sony defenders should be shot on site

>>378216578
>Halo did nothing new
>put them together in a combination that didn't exist back then
> didn't exist back then
So... Something new?

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>>378213807
>being this delusional

>>378213667
>Halo
Get the fuck out you underage retard

>>378216006
goldeneye and perfect dark ran like FUCKING SHIT.
20fps max. absolutely abhorrent. same with turok and the console ports of doom/duke nukem

Halo was otherworldly in 2001. Fucking kids like you would never know.

>>378215407
>I do not understand how it is "genre or generation" defining,
Because you are dumb enough not to be able to tell the difference between "I like it" and "it had such a major impact on both the medium and the playerbase that most people will immediately think of it we talk about certain period, hence it's reasonable to call it "generation defining"".

It's a shit game, but that shit defined a generation. Whenever you like it or not.

>>378216713
sorry grandpa fans of the original halos are 22-35 now. If somebody is talking shit about the old halos, more often than not they're underage who are mad that it doesn't have ADS and an adhd story like the modern ones they grew up on

>>378216578
>Halo did nothing new
>They took existing ideas and put them together in a combination that didn't exist back then
pick one you FUCKING RETARD

and even then, that statement is wrong. The enemy design was unlke any other in first person shooters at the time. there were never enemies in FPS games that would dodge your attacks or grenades.

>>378216713
Halo was OG xbox, consider how long ago that was

I agree

>>378216816
>>378216729
>>378216935
Console fps were always shit and defined fuck all
Get the fuck back to rebbit

>>378217009
daily reminder that Halo 1-3 is good and there's nothing you can do about it. Good level design, good enemy design, good encounter design, good weapon design, good sound design. They are good games. Especially if played with kb+m.

>>378217009
>le elite pc man
2010 is that way friend

Is anyone sad that if they have a kid, they will never be able to give them a nintendo 64? It was like the best gift a parent could give their kids, nothing matches that today.

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>>378213807

>Street Fighter
>Doom
>Half-life
>Starcraft
>Halo
>WoW
>Bioshock
>Minecraft

>Persona 5

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>Halo kiddies are now adults

>>378217009
While true, Halo was fucking awesome.
-t always been on PC but had consoles too.

Also Xecutor2 represent

>>378217169
give them a ps4 sony always wins etc

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>>378216729
>Fucking kids like you would never know.
complaining about fps
I used to play on a zx spectrum as a kid you fucking cock garling faggot.
It is little faggot kids like you that are "muhhhh fps" game is shit it's not 30fps

goldeneye and perfect dark ran fine you are just a whinging halo fag who thinks a shit game is great because the internet told you so.

>>378217009
>he never played at a system link party
>he overlooked the droves of FPS games that came to consoles with millions of players buying them during the 6th-8th gens

>>378217282
no you dumbass, halo felt incredible to play because of how responsive and solid it was. Nobody knew about framerate when we were kids, but you could tell how well a game played. It felt better to play smoother games than shitty performing ones, that's just science that even kids can detect. If you're trying to say that Halos performance had nothing to do with why it was so popular you're just in denial

>>378216729

hate to break it to you "kid" but halo was also shit. in fact FPS on joypad is almost as fucking stupid as trying to play a strategy game with a fucking steering wheel.

but then to peasants who have never tasted steak i guess eating shit is the best thing ever,

>>378217453
I dont disagree with you, and I played halo on PC in 2003 when I was 10. I had fun playing with friends in split screen like a normal person

>>378217374

it was smooth as fuck, that was memorable, just felt awesome and reactive.

>>378216729
>Halo was otherworldly in 2001. Fucking kids like you would never know.
oh my

>>378217374
there was no issue with its performance nor were there issues with doom on the ps1 or duke nukem on the saturn.
Halo did literally nothing new that any other fps game had done in fact it did less, less weapons, less enemies. I played it on release and it was mediocre, even the driving segment which were a crysis esque open world feel were shit and just a laborious chore to get through.
the only "good" thing halo had other other fps was a semi decent score.
Even it's level design and enemy design was generic, and they only had like 3 enemies, they could have spent more time on them at least.
If you want an actual defining fps game of that generation, half life is the only one. well and goldeneye for making console fps games popular.

>>378213807
So you'd consider Persona 5 generation-defining but not BotW? You are the biggest faggot on the planet. I'd be shocked if you were even 18 to say this garbage and I don't even think BotW is "generation defining" but to consider some anime love sim that over BotW is absolutely retarded.

All three games you listed are great games, but none are generation defining like Halo was. It set the standard for every single console shooter you play now. It's the only reason Microsoft is even making consoles now, which is probably a bad thing but I digress.

>>378217682
>pretending it wasn't
wew lad. show me the equivalent game on any system with the scale, appeal, and design on the level of halo in 2001. there simply wasn't anything. it was a generational leap even for PC shooters at the time.

>>378213667
console babys first multiplayer fps

>>378213885
console babys first system shock/fps-rpg

>>378213951
casual babys first dumbed down mmorpg

No game did anything that wasnt there before.

This: >>378216416
Also:
League of Legends for making MOBA what they are
Dark Souls for changing RPGs
Super Meat Boy / Braid for indie platformers
Binding of Isaac for rogue like/lites
Day Z for EA survival games & looter shooter

There's still plenty of genre defining games out there.
Quit being a nostalgiafag.

>>378217339
>he never played at a system link party
We played game on LAN parties when you console peasents didnt even know what multiplayer is.

>>378213807
Bloodborne, Persona 5, and BotW aren't generation defining at all. They're good games, but gaming didn't warp itself around copying them during this gen like it did with Halo or Mario 64 during their own eras.

>>378217948
This. Mario and Halo Defined the controls for console genres forever

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>>378217103
>>378217137
>>378217241
>>378217339
Look at all these retards that never played Quake, UT and Tribes
They actually think Halo was ever good

>>378218050
I did though, Halo was good because it had a great story and a fuckawesome driving bits.

Of the two though, UT was my jam over Q3.
Flak Cannon forever.

>>378217453
I know this is bait with that lame analogy, but Halo was the only reason the Xbox didn't fail. Millions of people purchased an xbox just to play Halo. You may think it was shit, but your opinion is trumped by that simple fact and the fact every shooter after Halo copied it.

Also, we're not arguing that FPS games on consoles aren't shit compared to FPS games because of the controls. No shit FPS games are better with a mouse and keyboard, retard. In trying to trash Halo you basically made the point for why it was generation defining.

>>378217841
>criticizes the only genuine responses
>ignores persona 5

being an anime fan should grounds for sterilization

>hipster faggots trying their hardest to pretend Halo didn't revolutionize shooters on consoles and didn't define the generation
I know you all desperately want to pretend you're above the age of 18 but this isn't how you do it. This just shows you're underage.

>>378217840
>show me the equivalent game on any system with the scale
half life
red faction and it's amazing geo mod technology and ragdoll
Perfect dark
system shock
doom
duke nukem
wolfenstein

then the 2 arena shooters quake and unreal
Turok 2 was a better game than halo, thought turok 1 was shit

halo is a shit tier fps that has had a major corporation marketing.

>>378215703
That's marketing only. None of those game took actual inspiration from Skyrim because the game itself is shallow on a ll levels and brought nothing(!) new to the table

>>378218326
it already is, in a way

>>378218228
Nope it wasn't.
There was Fable, Splinter Cell, and plenty other games.

the last "generation defining" game was probably skyrim.
what a sad fucking world this has become.

>>378213807
Everyone ignore this post. This was the OP shitposting in an attempt to bait you all...and it worked. No one with any brain cells to rub together would put persona 5 on the same level as a game like Halo.

I was in middle school, and I had rented halo from blockbuster. I had rented other games but the cover art of halo made me think it was a shitty sci fi game. I was thinking it was going to be mediocre. Finally, I rented it and holy shit. Best fucking game ever. I mean I enjoyed fps games. But what I think made me love halo was the sense of mystery, realistic graphics(for the time), and a fresh look. Even "physics" as enemy's fly off in the distance when killed by explosives. Little mechanics like that were new to me and it looked so good. Story wise, a badass space soldier has been done, but the zombie/parasite twist at the end was good. They were the true enemy. 3 factions of ai killing each other was something I had never seen in a game before. To me, halo defined what fps should be. And then sequels came around along with other fps games trying to copy what halo did, and finally grew dull. To me, halo as a standalone game was great. No sequels needed. They just ruined the sense of mystery. Don't get me wrong, halo 2 was good. But for me, 3 and on was eh. Fighting flood in 3 just felt way overused and a chore. But that is how halo had an impact on me.

>>378218535
Halo is trash for dudebros,stop being a brainlet.

>>378218348
If they're not underages I actually feel sorry for them, being so crotchety they missed the golden age of local multiplayer, and the online multiplayer boom with Halo 1, 2, and 3.

I'd give both my nuts to get 2005 back.

>>378218486
>being too young to make an argument

lol those games would have never even made it to the Xbox if Halo didn't sell the system. A simple Google search of the Xbox's history can prove you wrong, but you're probably 14 and too busy watching e celebs to take the time.

DayZ mod and Minecraft have both defined generations

>>378218618
Also to add to it, I never heard of halo before I rented it.

>>378217841
babby's first shitpost

>>378218731
That already shows that defining a generation is meaningless if you are a trash game.

Both. Newbies have their Great games, but we grew up in a major boom for what vidya could be. Also the hip new games now may not be everyones cup of tea.

A list of Newb games that probably changed everything for them. It depends how far back you wanna go though. With in the past 4 years, you're gonna get scraps. 2012 and up... now we have a decent span to work with.
2015-Now
>Overwatch
>Rocket League (Not my thing but it's atleast original)
2012-2015
>Smite
>Guild Wars 2
>Path of Exile
>Skull Girls
>DOTA2

The problem is most new ground is either free to play stuff, continuations of great established franchises (Which is why Mortal Kombat X isn't there), AAA garbage shat out by the marketing team, or pretentious indie garbage.

Compare that to the glory of 2007-2012 alone....
>League of Legends
>F2P no longer being shit
>TF2
>Queers of War wasn't over done cover shooting dribble.
>Bio-Cock proved games could have not shit stories
>FPS, open world and fighting games galore

This list could go on for a long time. It was a golden age because games took risks and the hardware allowed devs to run wild. But lets not forget ALL the new ground breaking then, Building a PC was becoming affordable and Steam was beginning to now be shit, Online gameplay was becoming affordable and easy.

So what happened?
>Companies made shit tons of cash
>Companies got greedy because they saw Vidya was an inelastic demand curve
>Hardware makers thought gimick hardware was the same as innovation
>Publishers drank the Gimick koolaid and forced devs to make shit games
>Publishers, Devs, and Consoles lost money
>Decided to go with safe bets and shovel sequels of successful games
>Yearly shit games of once great games
>Gamer gay happened
>Vidya became some political bullshit
>Gamers burnt out and played backlog and no longer cared about the hype train or gaming related video/presstitution

And thats why the Golden age ended

>>378213807
>Persona
>Bloodshit
>Generarion definining

Lol, they're complete trash, next to no redeeming features, hang yourself.

>>378218634
0/10 have a you :)

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>>378218650
KYS, I'd have everyone born after 1982 killed to get this shit back to its golden age (98-99)

>>378218791
>minecraft is a trash game
100% contrarian for the sake of it

>>378218862
Considering that you cream yourself over a mediocre western game like Halo already says enough about your age and brain development.

>>378219065
Considering that you come into these types of threads and either false flag, or genuinely feel the need to insult an anonymous person, says enough about your age and brain development.

>>378219058
Don't reply to me autistic kid

>>378219139
fuck off nerd

>>378217103
This

>>378218819
>Compare that to the glory of 2007-2012 alone....
I think I'm gonna actually fucking throw up. I honestly never thought I'd see the fucking day...

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>>378213667
>the 2nd half of the game is just the 1st half reversed

10/10 level design I can hear Romero's fist clenching in jealous rage

>>378218819
>this is the generation that is growing up

JUST

>>378217103
>They are good games.
They were really not. And here is a fun thing: They were bad compared to FPS that came before them. But they are also bad compared to games that are coming out now. Like: this is not a matter of wiggling nostalgia canes and saying how ye olde videogames were better: Halo does not even live up to todays standards. They were awful. And they nearly ruined the entire fucking medium for following five or six years.

Literally, the only people who praise them are people who grew up playing with them. People who grew up with games before and after BOTH despise it, and that says a lot.

>>378219213
>I think I'm gonna actually fucking throw up. I honestly never thought I'd see the fucking day...

K. you do that. 2007 was when the internet started going to shit and normies fagged up everything in gaming culture.

I'm not talking about the culture of 'OMG i'm lyke so nerdy XD' You're letting culture blind you from good games that were made or have been wearing nostalgia blinders for so long you think a good game can't be made in 3 dimensions.

The limitations on devs were lifted, good stuff (as well as a sea of turds) came out.

But it's also when games started pandering to casuals and baby level dificulty became a thing. I always fixed this by adjusting dificulty and turning off features I didn't like.

Then again I'm not retarded

>>378213667
It is getting rarer, because games have become on par with film. Modern advances are in tech, not technique, even the lesser modern games are better than older games, overall quality has gone up, because everyone knows what to do and how to do it.

Granted this is discounting subjective aspects such as writing, which is all over the place.

Witcher 3 is arguably the closest thing we have to a generation defining title now. Because of the quality of the game in the context of it's development history.

>>378213667
The last one was Minecraft, maybe DayZ as well.

think about it, back when computer hardware was still advancing rapidly there were always game genres/mechanics that weren't thought of before, and the advancements in computer hardware allowed for new things to in games

nowadays we've reached the point where most interesting game mechanics have already been created and we have enough computing power to try most of the things we haven't thought of yet

what it boils down to today is improving upon mechanics that have already been created, the problem is, you very rarely make a game that can be considered a classic by simply improving upon already existing mechanics; it takes a lot of skill and effort to take what has been already created and improve or intertwine with other features in such a way that would make it stand out

>>378213667
Halo was always shit

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>>378218050
>Quake, UT and Tribes
They're not very comparable to Halo. Halo was a story-driven shooter whereas those games placed far more emphasis on just the mechanical layer of gaming. Are they mechanically tighter, and thus provide a higher skill ceiling and stronger competitive component than Halo? Sure. Are they as immersive? Well, not to people who enjoy roleplaying and adventure games, who want the story aspect of games to be strong and interwoven with the mechanics.

Better games to compare to would be System Shock, or Bungie's previous games like Marathon. And this improper comparison of yours, which is founded on an improper expectation, is exactly why you guys hate Halo and think it's lame as much as you do.

>>378219723
>The limitations on devs were lifted, good stuff (as well as a sea of turds) came out.
We are talking about second half of gen Xbox right? The absolute peak of Halo and CoD generation. The era where PC gaming nearly died? The five consecutive years without a single even half-decent RPG, RTS, Sim, Citybuilder or Immersive Sim? We are talking about the time of the BIGGEST technical restraints, as the Xbox and PS3 were desperately outdated already and impossed a massive limitations of things like level design alone?
We are talking the era when TES turned from Morrowind to Oblivion, and Fallout 3 came out and both "redefined" open-world RPG's for ever?
THIS WAS THE WORST ERA.

Like right now, things are incomparably better. We are getting decent ports, we are getting varied genres, we are getting decent city builders and cRPG's, games like Dishonored and Prey that actually have level design, shooters like Doom and Wolfenstein TNO, tons of clever indie games like Factorio and Kerbal and SpaceChem and Rimworld.

You are praising the era that produced five years of CoD, Halo, GoW and GoW clones, while on mutiplayer scene everything was consumed by shitty MobA's and TF2. The era that introduced the cancer of F2P multiplayer to the mainstream. The era that came up with micotransactions and massive volumes of DLC too.

You are praising what was EASILY the worst era in the last two decades. Consolisation, scummy business practices, genre extinction, casualization. Era that turned System Shock in fucking Bioshock, Syndicate into that FPS Syndicate, CoD into post-CoD-MW games. Jesus you are a fucking retard. Era that KILLED mid-game development.

>>378220370
>comparing Halo to System Shock
God shut the fuck up

>>378220802
I'm not saying they're a perfect match either. But it's more related than those games, because they both have an emphasis on being story-driven. You're very ignorant if you think that's not the case.

>>378218050
Yikes.

>>378221029
No, you have no idea what you're talking about. System Shock is an immersive sim, Halo is a console FPS, they couldn't be more fucking different.

>>378220479
Except also the best games of all time came out in that era

>>378221218
Have you even played Halo? It doesn't sound like you have.

Halo was very story- and thematically-driven. They wrote in justifications for every mechanic, like the MJOLNIR justifying the HUD, the shield, the weight of your movements and the jump physics. Cortana speaking to you in your helmet throughout the games. Elements like marines and engineers who are overall useless but add life to the world around you. Enemies who were highly charismatic in ways that did not add much to the challenge but to the world building and design. A fully orchestrated and powerful soundtrack. They produced novels, one coming out BEFORE the first game even came out, and gave extensive lore on everything in the Halo universe. It was full with cinematics and tons of dialog between NPCs and enemies that you could not possibly hear in a single playthrough. The tone of the game changes pretty drastically throughout, at least in the first game. And much more than this.

Christ, I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Just play the games.

>>378221391
Yeah. I'm really, REALLY curious to which ones are you going to name. Like, I want to hear about the games from that era that were better than shit like Doom, UT, Half-life, Thief, Fallout, Morowind, Quake, Deus Ex, System Shock, Mafia, VtmB, Homeworld, Starcraft, CS, Spiro, Medieval, FF Tactics, Jagged Alliance, X-com, Tactical Ogre, SWAT, Alpha Centauri, Planescape, Freespace, Diablo, Hitman: Blood Money, Jet Set Radio, Max Payne, Shenmune and I could go on...

So yeah. Please share those "best games of all time" that came out in the fucking era of Halo and CoD.

>>378221763
Why the fuck does this matter? You're still retarded for comparing it to System Shock, they're not even remotely similar besides being first person and having guns. Fucking idiot.

>>378216073
He was right though.

They took the "see that mountain? you can climb it" from Skyrim and made it immensely more immersive with much better quests.

>>378222056
>Why the fuck does this matter?
Because that's the fucking appeal of Halo for many, it might have turned into a pseudo competitive shooter down the line, but the first few games at least had a huge following due to its campaigns, not its multiplayer. This is exactly why Halo 2 got shit, and why 343i continues to get shit, because of the story aspect and players disagreeing with how it's being handled.

>they're not even remotely similar besides being first person and having guns
And also having a focus in story and thematically driven gameplay. Fucking idiot.

>>378222268
>>378222268
>this linear story driven babby's first FPS is totally comparable to System Shock because huh... they both have a story and they both have themes!
Never reply to me again
Fucking nu-/v/

>>378213807
lol such delusion

>>378222659
>Fucking nu-/v/
>complaining about yourself
Is this some meta trolling or are you really this stupid?

>>378213667
You're getting older. People have always said that about everything.

>>378222837
>no u bait? u stupid? xd
Ok, I'm done. You have brain problems clearly.

>>378220479
>Halo and CoD generation

I mentioned a sea of turds didn't I? But CoD 4 was a good game. The spinoffs not so much.

People seem to love Halo hero for some reason. I don't know why but its the thumbnail of OP. Shit looks like matel toys to me

>The five consecutive years without a single even half-decent RPG...

Let me guess, blue dragon, eternal sonata, lost odessy, or the countless JRPGs that were produced in mass on DS don't count because they are not as pure and perfect as Final Fantasy 8.... right?

>RTS
What year did Starcraft 2 come out again? Let me guess, garbage also right?

>The era where PC gaming nearly died?

..And then came back and dominated? Its not just 2007 all by itself. Price of PC parts and sloppy distibution of games with compatability issues are what almost killed PC. Unless you miss the days of installing a sound card and co-processor.

>We are talking the era when TES turned from Morrowind to Oblivion, and Fallout 3 came out and both "redefined" open-world RPG's for ever?

Let me guest, Elder scrolls 2 is the Apex of TES series and Fallout a\was better when you couldn't make out the details from your top down view?

>You are praising the era that produced five years of CoD, Halo, GoW and GoW clones, while on multiplayer scene everything was consumed by shitty MobA's and TF2. The era that introduced the cancer of F2P multiplayer to the mainstream.

It seems the difference between you and I is I can ignore the garbage

While I was enjoying Mass effect, Prey, Heavy Rain, Fallout 3/new vegas, Tekken 6/Tag 2, L4D, Castle Crashers, etc. You were swimming in the Turd sea.

What do you consider good multiplayer and how do you keep swimming in the garbage?

>Era that turned System Shock in fucking Bioshock

LOL like that was a bad thing?

>Syndicate into that FPS Syndicate

LOL, like that sold ANY units

>CoD into post-CoD-MW games

CoD 4 was the only good one. Before that it was part of the WW2 garbage fire

>>378223180
And you have clearly not played any of Bungie's games nor actually paid attention to their fanbase. But, keep thinking that they were always just trying to compete with games like Quake and UT.

>>378221847
>Spiro
LOL, K. Different strokes I guess.

>Shenmune
The "where is my daddy'? simulator. You know Shenmue 2 came out durring 2007-2012 right?

>Diablo
Torchlight not good? I mean I'm not going through the 100's of Diablo clones that were garbage, but Torchlight and the pet system is the next step gameplay wise even if art style is polarizing. Not to mention POE was in beta.

>Doom
Ummm you mean like Doom 3? I'm unsure how far around we are bouncing around for your golden age.

>>378223194
>What year did Starcraft 2 come out again?
One swan does not a summer make, as an old saying has it. It took another four or five years for other RTS to even begin trying to make a comeback too.

>Let me guess, blue dragon, eternal sonata, lost odessy, or the countless JRPGs that were produced in mass on DS don't count
Handful of mediocre JRPG's for a pathetic handheld: no. They don't count.

>..And then came back and dominated?
The very moment the era that you are so vehemntly praising ended? Literally, the era that you praise ends because 360/PS4 finally died, PC made a comeback, Kickstarter and indies saved mid-range production, people started finding a voice to protest the onslaught of shit games.

2012 is the year where things started slowly turning to better. It's also the year you defined as the END of the good time. So yeah.

>et me guest, Elder scrolls 2 is the Apex of TES series
No. Morrowind is.

>and Fallout a\was better when you couldn't make out the details from your top down view?
Yes. There is actually absolutely no fucking doubt about this too. NV is a good game, actually tries to go back to what made the originals good, but it's still just a shadow of what the series used to be.

>It seems the difference between you and I is I can ignore the garbage
You seem to be able to actively enjoy and praise it, actually.

>Mass effect, Prey, Heavy Rain, Fallout 3
Mass Effect was flashier, watered down version of KOTOR. Prey was one of the worst shooters ever made by humans. Heavy Rain... I don't think I even need to comment on that. Fallout 3 is seriously one of the worst RPG's of all time.

Yeah: NO. You have FUCKING AWFUL TASTE. And you like those games because you grew up with them. That is all.

>LOL like that was a bad thing?
YES YOU FUCKING RETARD. IT IS. It's not even a fucking immersive SIM anymore. It was turned into a fucking linear shooter with bad gunplay!

>>378223194
Nice reddit spacing.

>>378215703
Bioware: We want the call of duty audience, when you press a button, something awesome has to happen, button awesome

>>378223691
Are you saying people didn't play Halo for the mutiplayer? Because you're dead fucking wrong, it was the game that popularized Xbox Live.

>>378224256
>Are you saying people didn't play Halo for the mutiplayer?
I'm not. I also don't care about those people.

>>378224317
>I
Ok, we're done here, no one cares about you.

I'd say dark souls for reasons I'm not going to go into cause I know I'll get shit all over for it.

>>378224557
My original point, dumbass, was that Halo is hated because you people don't actually understand what the core fanbase was about. People who played the games just for its multiplayer WERE NEVER the core fanbase until 343i forced them to be.

>>378224693
4 player co op legendary was where it was at beat that stuff so many times.

And custom games.

Halo 3 was the most social game I've ever played desu I don't play mmos though.

>>378224693
>I decide what the core fanbase was
You're an autistic pretentious twat. No one played Halo for the fucking single player.

>>378224582
>I'd say dark souls for reasons I'm not going to go into cause I know I'll get shit all over for it.
I don't know if and why would you get shit for that: The incredible impact that Dark Souls had on the medium is self-evident. And I don't even like the bloody things.

>>378224693
>People who played the games just for its multiplayer WERE NEVER the core fanbase until 343i forced them to be.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO. And what the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you even lie about something so blatantly fucking wrong. Halo, like CoD, was PRIMARILY a multiplayer phenomenon. Coop and versus. That is what sold the fucking things. The campaigns were there, and it's not that people ignored them entirely, but they sure as fuck were not reason why people played them. Hell, like on average 1/4'th of the campaign was insane pain in the ass because it was actually intentionally designed with coop in mind to begin with.

People played the campaigns but the core was always in the multiplayer experience. And this became blatantly obvious as the campagins grew shorter and dumber with each game which the multiplayer content expanded with each one.

>>378217103

Hold up, the level design in particular always stuck out as fucking abysmal, in single player at least. Each level was basically a couple of prefab boxes repeated, outdoor areas excluded. It was less interesting to explore than fucking Doom. I only played Halo 1 though, it didn't exactly make me hungry for more.

>>378224865
>No one played Halo for the fucking single player.
I guess all those novels came out for nothing then. I guess they poured all that money into the writing, voice recording, and orchestration for nothing then. I guess Halo 2 got shit for its story for nothing then. I guess 343i gets shit for nothing then.

Go fuck yourself. You have no right to even talk on this subject.

>>378217103
Never played a Halo game in my life, which game would be the best one to get into the franchise?

>>378225090
You're delusional. Seek help.

>>378225276
Knock it off with the dumb buzzwords. Tell me why those things happened then.

>>378224865
I did. I also played it for the MP.

>>378225195
1 or 3

>>378224976
yeah, about 1/4 of the game is copypasta. It gets stale really fucking fast. But most of it is varied and good, there's just too much padding. Should have been happy with a 5 hour game instead of padding it to be a 7 hour game

>>378213807
i really want weaboos to leave

>>378223840
>No RTS came out
Forgets the biggest RTS release to date that revived PC and forced people to upgrade came out.
>REEEE THAT DOESN'T COUNT

>No RPGS came out
Forgets that JRPGS came out by the hundreds, western RPGs were reviving with Oblivion, Kingdoms of Alamar, Fall Out 3/NV, etc.
>REEEEE THAT DOESN'T COUNT!

>The very moment the era that you are so vehemntly praising ended?
PS4 console era begins 2013, 2009 is when I got back into PC & PC's started really picking up around 2010, marking an era as PC was coming back and Everyone had atleast one console and waaaaay too many games and could share disks back and forth
>REEEEEE THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE PC MASTER RACE WAS NOT REIGNING UNCHALLENGED YET


>(fall out 3)YES YOU FUCKING RETARD. IT IS. It's not even a fucking immersive SIM anymore.

Nigger are you retarded? Do you know the difference between a SIM and a western RPG?

>>378221847
>You have garbage taste
I take it saints row series and GTA IV are also garbage? K.....

You know thats a matter of opinion and if we were to go with an appeal to populus for quality we would....
>Spiro
>SWAT
>Mafia
>Medieval
And I have garbage taste?

Also holy shit how long do you space the years between your games. I at least have a stirick 5 year timeline.

But any game I bring up will be "garbage", all flawed sequals to the games you bring up outside my tight 5 year window will be ignored, all trends that were garbage in other decades like everything is a WW2 shooter, everything is a Demon shooter, everything is Rainbow 6 clone, or like Marketing never fucked with game trends ever before.

>>378213807
>Bloodborne
Overrated
>P5
PS1-tier weebshit
>BotW
Great game, but also overrated

>>378213807
>Bloodborne
>generation-defining
It's Dark Souls but faster and without a shield. It also had far less of an impact that Dark Souls as far as public awareness of it is concerned.

>>378224962
>People played the campaigns but the core was always in the multiplayer experience
Multiplayer was an afterthought in CE pressured on Bungie by Microsoft. It was developed by the team that made Oni within the last few months of development, which was not the main dev team of CE.

>>378217846
Binding of Isaac is a bullet hell type game. Not rougelike

>>378226228
>Dark Souls
It's Demon's Souls but less fast and with memes.

>>378225616
>>378225616
>Forgets the biggest RTS release to date that revived PC and forced people to upgrade came out.
No, I ignored one isolated phenomenon that is a world of it's own. Also
>that revived PC and forced people to upgrade came out.
Is this a joke? Starcraft reviving PC genre? Forcing people to upgrade? Are you fucking sane?

>Forgets that JRPGS came out by the hundreds
And nearly all of them terrible, and on platforms that are a joke.

>western RPGs were reviving with Oblivion, Kingdoms of Alamar, Fall Out 3
Kingdoms of Amalur? That is the one you are going to list? OK, that is kinda funny.

Also, Oblivion and Fallout 3 did not revive western RPG's: they nearly killed them. And they are trash. Like: ABSOLUTE trash. New Vegas is good: ONE good RPG in that era. And hated and considered a betreyal by people back then, with no follow-up. So yeah, not the best representation of the era's major trends.

>2009 is when I got back into PC & PC's started really picking up around 2010,
No, it did not. It took until Dishonored in 2012 when developers started even giving PC options to remove console U.I. elements from multiplatforms you idiot.

Comback of PC started around 2011 with people like TB actually starting to influence the industry and console users being completely disillusioned with both the 360 generation, and terrified with the AWFUL marketing of the upcoming ones.
DEFINITELY not three years before. The raise of PC was directly linked to the utter console shitstorm that happened in the year or two leading to release of the new gen consoles.

>(fall out 3)YES YOU FUCKING RETARD.
First of all, it's actually spelled Fallout, not Fall Out. Second of: we were talking about transformation of System Shock into a Bioshock you idiot. Can you not actually keep track of basic post structure? THERE ARE QUOTES THERE, they should help you understand which part of your posts am I replying.

>I take it saints row series and GTA IV are also garbage? K.....
Yes.

>>378219723
>The limitations on devs were lifted, good stuff (as well as a sea of turds) came out.
The limitations of devs were lifted when the Super Nintendo and Genesis came out.
The limitations of devs were lifted when the Nintendo 64 and Playstation 1 came out.
The limitations of devs were lifted when the Gamecube, Xbox and Playstation 2 came out.

Every new generation has brought new possibilities, yet the true greatness would shine brightest when those limitations were in place because the good developers had the skills to work around them while still giving you the best.

>>378217186
>people that were adults when halo came out are now middle aged and still on /v arguing about vidya

>>378224693
>People who played the games just for its multiplayer WERE NEVER the core fanbase until 343i forced them to be.

What is Halo 2

>>378226403
Demon's Souls isn't faster than Dark Souls. It's also a PS3 exclusive niche jrpg so nobody played it.

>>378227193
Actually, since the 360/PS3/Wii U saw one of the smallest actual improvement in power (360 still had 512 Mb of RAM SHARED between CPU and core, in an era where 2GB were slowly becoming a standard in PC, PS3 was powerful but it's unique architecture was incredibly frustrating and limiting to work with, and WiiU had intentionally some of the worst specs ever seen in a generation-relative scale). And this generation lasted for the longest of all console generations: the machines were massively outdated three years after release, but lasted nearly nine). So if you were right about the limitations being beneficial, that would indeed make that generation the best.

But I suspect the problem is different all together.

>>378227462
>What is Halo 2
A game that got serious backlash for its cliffhanger ending and the fact you didn't play as the MC the whole time.

>>378226417
>TB actually starting to influence the industry
>Starcraft reviving PC genre? Forcing people to upgrade?
Today I learned that games and lower cost of PC parts/Ease of compatibility between parts didn't bring PC gaming... A youtuber saved PC gaming. Hell, why not go all in and Praise PewDiePie as well?

>Kingdoms of Amalur? That is the one you are going to list?
It's not the greatest, but Western RPGs were dropping like crazy. Some were great, Some were garbage, some were meh. It was above average.

Before Mass effect and Fall out 3, Western RPGs barely made any money unless they had a big license or name attatched to them. Bitch and moan that it wasn't immersive enough for you, but It kept the Genre from becoming the next forgotten memory. Again, forgetting that trends happen and shovel ware is shat out every 5 years. Right now were are living in F2P shovelware trend

>No, it did not. It took until Dishonored in 2012 when developers started even giving PC options to remove console U.I. elements

I don't think you understand that I'm talking about popularity rivaling console and steam hitting 25 million active users, not port U.I. you idiot.

>First of all, it's actually spelled Fallout, not Fall Out.
Are you autistic? You just get bogged down in meaningless details. Seriously, you have a bit of the tism? Would you like you go over grammar next? Maddox is that you?

>I take it saints row series and GTA IV are also garbage?
>yes

Guess it's no Spyro the Dragon.

>>378227573
>Demon's Souls isn't faster than Dark Souls
So you didn't play it?
>nobody played it
It sold almost 2 million.

>>378227669
Which didn't matter much because the multiplayer (on console) defined it. Both online co-op and human only.

>>378227193
Normally you'd be right, but....

>>378227650
This guy is 100% right. This is why PC is growing and it's going to be PC for home gaming from here on out.

>>378227851
>Which didn't matter
It did to hundreds of thousands of people and all the reviewers that slammed it for that.

Why do you think Destiny gets slammed? Not just because the gameplay is inferior, but more importantly because it lacks all of the world design and story that brought Halo to life. You are underestimating the demand for this aspect of Bungie's games from players.

>>378218819
>2007-2012
>golden age

Faggot, the Golden age was 96-01

>>378228098
No one can make good games in 3 dimensions.

>>378227815
>Today I learned that games and lower cost of PC parts/Ease of compatibility between parts didn't bring PC gaming...
None of that was particularly a big issue. Serious compatibility issues were really mostly gone around 2002. Price of parts dropped, but not significantly.
TB's influnece, whenever you like it or not, is insane. He, in many ways, dictates the standards of the PC industry. We can debate whenever that is a good thing or not. That said, he did not so much save it, as he became one of the symptoms or elements of changing attitude. It's a feedback loop, really.

>It's not the greatest
It's one of the most forgettable RPG's of the last decades and it was an absolute failure. It was not very good: maybe it did not deserve to flop as absolutely terrible as it did, but it was never a remarkable game. Fucking Divine Divinity games were better and more influential RPG's that Amalur. Amalur is like a complete fucking nothing.

>Before Mass effect and Fall out 3, Western RPGs barely made any money unless they had a big license or name attatched to them.
Which was also true for Mass Effect, and continues to be true today. Nothing really changed there.

>but It kept the Genre from becoming the next forgotten memory.
Desperate holdout is not exactly a success. The fact that the only RPG's that survived that awful, awful era were the dumbest ones just further underlines how shitty era that was.

>, not port U.I. you idiot.
Because quality of PC gaming is not relevant here, right? RIGHT?

>You just get bogged down in meaningless details.
Dude, you can't even spell the name of one of the most important franchises of the two decades right. Also, it's a word. It's like me consistently calling "Halo" "Hello". It's just a pretty good indicator of the level of awareness and competence you have for this discussion.

>Guess it's no Spyro the Dragon.
More importantly it's not Deus Ex or System Shock or Thief.

>>378227669
>A game that got serious backlash for its cliffhanger ending and the fact you didn't play as the MC the whole time.
And also became the most industry-changing mass fucking hit of a decade: singlehandely building a console, a platform, and defining genre rules for upcoming ten years.

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>>378213667
It's just that the market opened up more, and therefore much of the defining games became more casual or meta-gaming, like TES.

>>378228749
Part of its contribution being a heavier focus in big budget production values and cinematically driven stories.

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>>378225195
I'd say 3, but if you try to pay attention to the story it may confuse you
3 has the best gameplay imho tho
Can dual wield, but not needlers
Pistol isn't broken, battle rifle is a skill based weapon, variety of cool weapons to use, brutes aren't bullet sponges, equipment is cool, grenades are cool, and my personal favorite feature of Halo 3, The Chopper
Combat Evolved and 2 had some flaws that they ironed out just perfectly in 3.

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>>378225195
Combat Evolved with PC patches

All other halo games are shit.