Would Nintendo have remained the undisputed king of video games

>>378207798
Thats the near height of the franchise and its just one game. So yeah they would've had a huge chunk of sales but I don't think they would've dominated as hard as they did because the Playstation had hella steam before this game anyway. So, no, shit would likely be the same.

they'd had a chance just by releasing 64DD much earlier, globally

>>378207798
No.
All they do is rehashes of few successful frenchises.

>>378207798
FFVII would have sucked on N64. We probably would have gotten 3D remakes of the older games a lot earlier though, rather than the ports PS1 got.

Honestly the most realistic result is that if the N64 wasn't good enough for Square, they would have jumped ship to the Saturn if Sony wasn't around.

Hell FFVII had a PC version even back then they really wanted their FMVs, they might have just straight up went PC exclusive.

>>378207798

HA

N64 can't do rendered cut scenes.

>>378207798

No, just one game can't change the whole console, it needs third party. Even after all this time I'm surprised nintendo doesn't realize this.
Look at the Monhun thread , people are literally happy

The game wouldn't have been as groundbreaking and impressive without it's FMV's and prerendered backgrounds etc. The PS1 version takes three CD's at a total of over 1,5gb storage while a N64 cart has a max capacity of 64mb.

File: image.jpg (2MB, 3024x3024px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3024x3024px

>>378209627
Yes it can. Its just effort, expensive carts and litirally removing as many frames of FMV as possible. Don't make statements if you are unsure.

>>378209627
>what it RE2

Can I post now? TESTING.

>>378209783
Fucking finally.

>>378209764
>litirally removing as many frames of FMV as possible

Yeah, by this logic then even the SNES can do FMV

>>378209764

You know damn well it wouldn't have any of them. Why would you even pretend that it could?

File: 1495303166707.jpg (14KB, 358x358px) Image search: [Google]

14KB, 358x358px

>>378209564
>massively popular japanese saga in the 90s
>go pc exclusive

>>378209750
>this is not sarcasm

you're talking about low resolution jpgs that looked like absolute shit on the day the game came out, that existed only to speed up development time, a development shortcut/gimmick that had no longevity or lasting impression on gaming in any way

I'll concede that cutscenes, also a development gimmick to reduce in-game scripting and make things look better than they were, fucking obliterated the desire of developers to do good work on the narrative, and we are still suffering its effects to this day

File: cat.png (103KB, 235x245px) Image search: [Google]

103KB, 235x245px

>>378207798
Ehhhh...to be honest it's hard to say. It's like yea, FF7 woulda had better graphics, possibly a more crisp OST due to a better sound chip. But because of the storage medium the game's actual CONTENT woulda been gimped severely. Having multidiscs is a bigger thing than you give it credit for. Significant portions of the game simply would NOT exist without the multi disc concept simply because of the n64 cartridges shortcomings on capacity.

>>378209889
Ok?

>>378210008
>you're talking about low resolution jpgs that looked like absolute shit on the day the game came out
Underage confirmed. On the 20" CRT's kids had at that time it looked fucking amazing.

What was the limit on those? 128mb? Yeah sure, I want to see a fucking >1gb gabe compressed down to 128mb.

>>378209764
Actually, that's a bad example as the FMV's were simply ported over and ran as video rather than rendered as the PS1 did them.

File: image.jpg (1MB, 3024x3024px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 3024x3024px

>>378209908
>"its not possible"
>show it WAS in fact possible
>"w-why are you even brining this up?! BAIT! BAIT!!

Yeah, you're an ass anon.

>>378210129
64mb

the issue was they blew tens of millions on R&D for the 64DD, which flopped. Yes, even in japan. In the west it had a less than 10% chance of success, looking back, because half of it's features were internet related which in the late 90s early 2000s was still almost dominated entirely by fucking AOL in the USA. With the dreamcast on the horizon which had more hype put into it than any other system before or since, nintendo pulled the plug on it. It had too few games because devs were paranoid to develop for it because it had no confirmation (on top of the other nintendo issues which everyone already knows about) and so nintendo was pretty much alone in their creating games for it.

If nintendo hadn't gone for a DD, and got FF7 (on however many dozens of carts it would have been) there's a greater chance that FF7 would have just been either downgraded significantly, or panned/mocked for the insane amounts of data it had. Sure it's good looking back that games stuffed 700mb onto a disc, even if you needed multiple, but imagine being stuck to 64mb on a cart. just imagine that. Rips of ffvii are now seen as around 2g without the fluff, that would be more than TWENTY carts, again assuming no downgrades.

>>378210140
Who fucking cares? Point was you could get gimped FMV and voice work onto an N64 cart and Resident Evil 2 was a good example of this. Its possible, but it fucking costs.

File: CuvR3O8UAAEZAf6.jpg (64KB, 680x453px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 680x453px

>>378210054
Are you fucking retarded? A better sound chip compared to red book audio? Fucking stupid furry fuck.

>>378207798
Interactive Movie 7 would be less movie and more interactive.

>>378210116
you are at least old enough to understand that many people thought ff7 was a major step down from 456, and still feel that way to this day

the entire reason why they felt that way is that the developers didn't want to finish what they started, and just made shitty pictures instead of finishing the city

so I'm sorry, it's you who is too young to understand what was disappointing about 7, no one is questioning that it was a good example of the series, top 5 maybe, but in context it was pretty ugly at the time, and was only impressive to the very normies that 'cutscenes' typically attract

File: image.jpg (20KB, 255x199px) Image search: [Google]

20KB, 255x199px

>>378210263

>>378210284
Are you saying that the prerendered backgrounds were bad/lazy?

>>378210239
RE2 doesn't nearly have the same amount of FMVs that FF7 has.

The fucking commercials for FF8 are entirely made of FMVs, shit's like false advertising.

>>378210284
It was dissapointing to a VAST minority, the question was if FF7 would have kept Nintendo dominant in gaming. Most people who bought FF7 had never played any of the earlier games.

>>378210357
just like donkey kong on snes, it's normie bait

you use a better machine to make something look 'good,' but it looks like artificial shit on the machine it's eventually exported to

mainly because it's static and has lighting, coloring, or modeling that conflicts directly with what the target machine can render

>>378207798
UlTiMaTe RuThY

>>378207798
no, they would remain king if they kept with new advancements in technology like the disc format and an emerging market in online multiplayer

>>378210464
>it's normie bait
It's almost as if you didn't read the OP. The fucking thread is about whether Nintendo would have had more mass appeal than Playstation if Square would have stuck around.

>>378210514
That plus having better relations with third party developers. Nintendo's online has been a joke for a while, and if you're a fan of a long running popular series (normie bait shit like Fifa and CoD) then it's highly unlikely you'll get a Nintendo console.

>>378210464
Making a game look good is normie bait?

>>378210538
its almost as if people said things that had already changed the topic, and I was giving them an alternate opinion

its almost as if you didn't read the conversation

its almost as if you think this dumb thread is important literature

>>378210219
Holy shit. I remember AOL. I remember AIM too. And playing RA2 late at night with my friend...

I remember exchanging AIM accounts with the girl I liked in school, and eagerly waiting to chat with her on AIM.

FUCK, where does the time go?

>>378210686
Fuck off retard

>>378210164

You really think FF7 can fit on a cartridge because you have a single significantly smaller game that could do it? What's next, MGS5 on the N64?

Don't be mad that you got backed into a corner on this. We all know it wouldn't work.

File: 1495396135238.jpg (35KB, 702x776px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 702x776px

>>378210661
My comment about cart space was the first in the chain and was on topic, you were the one making about whether you retrospectively enjoyed it or not.

>>378209889
Actually it can
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdgNI2Nf1UA

>>378211440
So that's on the cartridge then, right?

>>378210686

>tripfag
>posts retarded off topic shit
> I I I me me me

Filtered

>>378210902
Resident Evil 2 had 1.2gb of data compressed to 64mb, but the worst part are the 15min of video clipsin order to fit everything on the cartridge the team had to obtain a 165:1 compression ratio with the FMVs. In a modern context the H.265 HVEC codec could make light work of this challenge (as it can scale up to 1000:1 for delivering 4K video), but when the game was being developed in early 1998 this codec wouldn’t be developed for another 15 years. This was an era of MPEG-1.
So yeah if FFVII 7 would have been ported by Angel Studios ,I do believe a 96mb cart would fit FFVII

>>378210164

>N64 carts held a maximum of 64MB of data
>FF VII is 1.3 GB
>Calls out anon for being an idiot.

By the way, this is the tech demo showing what VII would have been like on N64. In other words, fucking terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPO7c_XmesU

>>378214564
Prototypes carts from dev kits held much more space u moron, Nintendo could produce larger if they want, it would cost more. What I was trying to say that FFVII could be ported from PS1 to N64

>>378215982
not him but n64 games were already expensive, so a larger cart would make FFVII how much, $100 instead of $70? doesn't sound feasible

>>378216128
RPGS were always expensive than ordinary games anyway, people pay a lot for collector edition and other stuff, but yeah I agree that if the N64 was the target platform for FFVII most probably the game would not be pre rendered, no cgis and Uncle Hironobou would not have reached his goal of artistry

File: 1200px-SEGA_logo.svg.png (49KB, 1200x400px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 1200x400px

>>378207798
What if Sega got Final Fantasy VII?
>tfw Sony and Sega almost made a console together but Sega's upper management said no to the idea

>>378207798
Cartridge limitations are exactly why this didn't happen, though.

>>378217193
if publishers thought they could get away with charging for more per game they would, they saw the N64 carts, and thought this wasn't worth their investment, they wouldn't get as much returns compared to CDs

Nintendo made it more expensive to develop for them than Sony, and publishers preferred the easier to pirate CDs than cartridges, that's how important costs were

>>378210054

>content = cutscenes
>>378210258

Also this, N64 sucked at audio since it had to decompress it in hardware rather than just streaming uncompressed audio (or doing some gnarly synthesis like the Saturn can do)

>>378207798
No, the PS1's success had little to do with FF7, It was because the PS1 and its game were far more cheaper, and because it was easier to develop for more third parties with that console meant a larger library of game.