>visit auction house to sell loot >set a fair, reasonable

>>378142686
It's called supply and demand

>>378142686

Be glad he didn't undercut you by 50 coins.

>>378142686
post full image

>>378142686
Because you can do the same to others

>>378142686
Capitalism you commie scum

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>>378142773
>>378142924
>>378142983
I wonder who could be behind these posts?

>>378142686
You need to learn business OP.

>>378142686
>engage in healthy market competition with one of the other high level crafters on my server, I even know who he is
>constantly undercut eachother by 1
>suddenly some turbofaggot jumps in who we don't know and undercuts us by hundreds of thousands of gil
>see this faggots name on a ton of high level crafts now and he does the same thing everywhere

Yeah thanks you obnoxious fuck for destorying this server's economy. It's not like you're trying to make some fucking money here.

>>378143003
I'd rather be a rich jew than a poor goyim. Maybe you should learn some lessons from (((them)))

>>378143003
>Everyone who is undercutting me is DA JOOZ

Kys

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>>378143098
someone can destroy a games economy so easily why would someone cheat in a game i just don't understand why people do it.

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>>378143098
>tfw the very moment I read the word "crafter" I knew you were talking about FFXIV

And what's the deal with Materia prices, anyways?

>>378143178
>>378143239
>mfw buttmad jews detected

Don't let the door hit you on your way out into the gas chamber.

>>378143098
He can provide a service for more cheaply than you or your butt buddy can, deal with it

>>378143489
black desert does that

>>378142686
free market economy, nigga

>>378142686
It should be allowed. The price keeps getting driven down until it reaches a price point that reflects its true value.

>Fair and reasonable
You don't decide that, the market does.

>>378143098
Buy his shit and sell it for a higher price.

>Some fag undercuts by 10% or more

>>378142686
>play WoW
>auction programs everyone uses always set prices like "1800G 99S 99C"
>be me, doing things manually
>set price as 1800G because it's quicker
>OP is a faggot

>>378143710
This.
Don't be salty bitches just because you're not smart enough to play the jew game.

Welcome to capitalism, fucker. If you can't hang go live or play a socialist puce of shit game.

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>>378142686
>>378143098

Players should organize into some kind of mafia to fuck over dickheads pulling this kind of shit.

>>378142686
they want a coin profit.

I know real world niggers who do this after buying something they think is going to become harder to find so they can sell it on ebay.

If it's a good price, yours will sell as well, just relax kiddo.

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>>378143098
That shit is the worst.

Item X is selling for 115,000, 114,990, 114,989. You put yours up for 114,987.

Then someone undercuts down to 90,000, and everyone else who puts Item X up for sale afterward undercuts that price, or makes it worse.

Pretty much FFXIV markets in a nutshell:

115,000
114,990
114,989
114,987
90,000
89,999
85,000
70,000
69,900

Sometimes being patient allows the problem to fix itself, but sometimes markets are ruined by this shit.

>devilsaur mafia @ Nostalrius/Elysium

dunno if it's still going on

Stop putting 99 items for sale you greedy money hungry fucks. Nobody likes buying 99 items then throwing away 96.

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>>378143716
>some fag dumps a shitload of the item onto the market and undercuts it by 35%
>entire market gets memed on

>>378143824
JEWS GET OUT REEEEEEE

>>378143927
>one coin profit
>when one coin isn't worth jack shit

>>378142686
>buy all of his undercut stock
>sell it at your own price

there, that was easy.

>>378143969
Stop being a money hungry piece of shit. If there's space to undercut that just means you're overpricing.

All the best stuff in most mmos comes from dungeons not AH so I just undercut to sell shit quickly. If money is pointless then who cares.

>>378144028
You will either buy the whole lot or none of it, fucker

>>378144163
>t. poorfag

>>378143896

I did this once, only it was me and a bunch of casual AH autists teaming up to fuck with this elder god tier AH autist who would post at nearly all hours of the day. We destroyed his two main markets (WotLK era glyphs, gems) for two weeks until he server xferred (back when there were very limiting caps on how much gold you could take with you). It took us another two weeks to get things back to normal.

In the end we all probably lost a lot of gold (this was back when the cap for a character was 214k and change), but you really just can't put a price on spite.

>>378144037
You sound pretty jewish yourself if you care about your high prices.

>>378142686
That's how shit works. The seller is NOT the one who determines the value of an item, it's the person buying it, and they're always going to look for the best possible deal.
By undercutting you ever so slightly, that seller has a much higher chance at selling theirs first before the item loses more value, and the item always loses value as time goes on.

Of course, you can get a guy who undercuts by a fuckton like >>378143098
and that will crash the perceived value of something to a level that is likely far more legit based on operating costs than what the "healthy market" competitors were working at and deliberately keeping high. Those "healthy" crafters will then have to adjust or crumble due to a lack of profit.

>people who put the item lower than what the materials cost

are you for real

>>378144142
>Implying you have millions of gold needed to do that.
>Implying if the market continues to fall you didn't just lose all your money
Hey I have an idea, instead of screwing the market like a fucking potato you just buy and sell honestly?

>>378144028
>He doesn't resell the other 96

No wonder Jews are taking over the world, you people are too fucking stupid.

>>378144269
Think nothing of the losses. You did a good thing, anon.

>>378144260
>t. brainlet getting outjewed

>>378144260
>>378144229
People like you are the reason MMO economies always turn to shit.

>>378143098
>healthy competition
>between two people who know each other
>undercutting each other by one
This truly must be a buyer's market.

The problem is not undercutting, that's just a free market. The problem is botting and account hacking letting cheaters get away with pricing items artificially low.

Bitches don't know about selling

>sell several items for an inflated price
>others notice it and try to jump on the money train
>no one buys the item because it is too expensive
>sell a few for a cheaper price, one by one
>people lower their prices, cheaper to sell faster
>there's no supply for the item
>people buy your overpriced shit

I made like 1k in one day.

>>378144028
>Stop putting 99 items for sale

Lemme guess, FFXIV? I have no fucking idea why Square Enix forces us to buy things in stacks. I want 5 of the item, not all 99. That's why I always sell my shit in small bundles, even though it takes up a fuckton of my retainer's slots. Because when people see that they can buy a few of the item they need for a reasonable price, it sells almost immediately.

>>378144343
>people who sell the item for less than it's NPC value

Why are people this stupid?

>>378144270
>implying I'm jewish
>implying my prices aren't fair and reasonable

kikkity kek yourself my dude

>>378144563
jew pls go, bots aren't real

>>378142686
Because he doesn't care about the item he just looks at the lowest price and puts it under to move the item as fast as possible. He doesn't care about you. You are nothing he is not spiting you he just wants to get rid of the item as fast as possible.

Learn to check your ego bro.

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>>378144638
>m-my prices are reasonable goy!
>please continue to let me milk you of all your gil!

>>378142686
>Why is this allowed?
Salt reserves are running low buddy, gotta mine those crystals somehow

>>378142773
>people who think chanting "supply and demand" mean they "know economy"

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>>378144163
overpricing is necessary on high level crafts because the materials are time gated and so were rare and expensive as fuck at a time, so if you wanted to afford to ever craft again you better damn well make sure everything you make is high quality so you can sell it for a lot, but high quality'ing takes time and effort and resources which just raises the price of whatever you're making

I spent millions of gil getting to this point you fucks stop tanking the market and let me make some of that money back reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>378144638
>people who sell the item for less than it's NPC value
Some people would actually prefer knowing that a real person is benefiting from the use of an item at an economical cost rather than having an NPC functionally destroy the item.

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>>378142686
>anon learns about the free market

What the fuck would you want to happen?

>Hi, I am Mr. Smith from the MMO Auctioning Regulation Commission. Your account will be placed under Federal investigation as we have received reports that you have undercut your competition by an illegal amount.

>>378143489
>Don't let the door hit you on your way out into the gas chamber.
but I thought...

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>>378144956
No one thinks like that

>>378142686
>posting cropped
why is this allowed
why do I recognize it

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>>378143098
>two jew suppliers with an unspoken agreement dominate the market and prices
>suddenly someone starts selling stuff to fair prices

Literally anudda shoah.

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Just waiting for Christmas to roll around again. Stormbabbies will be buying my santa hats for 200k+ a pop.

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>>378144142
>notice that Materia prices were extremely low one night a while back
>ask an fc mate to buy them all up so we can shoot the market price up
>he does so
>some faggot the next day puts prices right back where they left off and everyone just piles on from there, so it's like nothing changed

It doesn't fucking work. People are just against making fucking dosh.

>>378145190
Not everyone's a jew.

I don't know how it is in other MMOs, but if you're playing WoW, look up the price per unit and sell your shit for cheaper, in bulk.

solution is to buy all the items that are undercut and sell them at regular price, and then buy all the mats to make them so the faggot cant undercut easily

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>>378144343
>buy materials that can be bought from an npc for super cheap
>sell them on the player market for a markup of something like 1000%
>people actually buy it

I wonder if I have distant jew heritage

>>378144956

No, these guys are just dumb.
People just buy it and sell it to an npc themself.

>Buy up a bunch of cheap items.
>Sell them at double the price.
>People buy them anyways because anyone still playing is rich as fuck and can't be assed to get the item themselves.

>>378145426
It's possible, Mr. Goldberg

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>>378144748
>pic related

>>378145040
What are you thinking?

>>378145120
OY GEVALT

>>378145190
Last time I played end game gear didn't have materia slots, how is it worth so much money?

>>378145426

I buy those sometimes.
For low level things it is usually cheaper then the fees of travelling to the npc yourself if you are only doing a couple crafts.

>>378144354
if you don't have millions of gold necessary to set the price of an item by defeating all competing sellers you're just as much a leech on the market as the guys undercutting you.

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>>378142686
It's called supply and demand faggot. If your shit aint selling quick enough that another player can see this, knock the price down to beat you, then obviously the demand for what you're selling is pretty fuckin low.

Deal with it bitch nigger.

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>/v/ is constantly wary of jewish merchants
>embrace their inner kike in game economies

This just shows that we can all be glad none of you guys have this kind of power in real live to fuck people over.

>>378144774
But that's literally what is going on.

If supply exceeds demand, the price will drop unless other factors interfere.

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>>378145546
Well Accuracy Materia V is basically fucking mandatory for savage raiding healers, so Heavens Eye materia used to go for like 500 000-800 000 gil a fucking pop depending on your server. They were fairly rare (I mean they were easy as shit to get but they were time-gated) and demand was high so shit sold well. Nowadays Materia is fairly cheap, but I suspect once they introduce Grade 6 materia the market will explode again.

>>378145676
Right because monopolies where prices are kept high by greedy merchants are so much better than perfectly competitive markets. Fuck off kike.

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>low level ores / herbs cost 20x more than high level ones

>>378145821
>unless other factors interfere.
Yes, turns out "supple and demand" doesn't mean you know "economics".

>>378142773
No it's not. Totally unrelated concept.

>>378142686
So buy the loot from him. Risk-free 1 coin profit. Unless you were bullshiting about your price being fair.

>>378145426
this is just the same as what convenience stores do, so more likely indian heritage.

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>>378143098
>Buy out all his shit before anyone else and make a huge profit

>>378145874
Does end game gear have slots now? I haven't raided since coil.

>>378145874
Seeing as accuracy is going away, materia will likely never recover.

>>378146038
Most of it does with the exception being the relics, but you can't overmeld on it.

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>>378142773
That's not what supply and demand is

>>378146129
I have no idea what overmelding is. When I raided you just got your allagen gear or whatever and called it a day.

Its what the free market allows

>>378146414
With regular slots you have a 100% chance to attach a materia to an item, but you can continue to add materia after that with an increasing chance of failure.

>>378146592
Oh, that sounds korean as fuck.

>>378146198
yes it is you faggot tripfag, supply curves in general have lower prices the higher the supply is

>there are still tripfags on this board
i'm breaking out in hives from thinking about it

>>378142686
send a couple of orcs to find out where he's getting his stuff and beat him up.

>>378146684
>ywnp a game where you can do this

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I always undercut by the lowest amount possible to not hurt anyone by dropping the value of an item.

>>378145993
>>378146198
It literally is supply and demand
OP sets a price he believes is reasonable, but no one needs to buy it because there's enough supply to dictate an even cheaper price. Even if it's just one coin.

Other people who have the same item can post theirs for cheaper, or decide not to if they think theirs is worth more and OP is underselling it. In FFXIV I've posted items that get immediately under cut, or I put them at a higher price to begin with. Several days later they almost always wind up being purchased for any number of reasons. Have some patience.

>>378146860
good goy

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If someone is selling under production costs why don't you just buy whatever they are selling and then start selling yourself when the market price elevates again?
Sounds like someone is just bad in jewjitsu.

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>Would spend hours on rsps grinding money
>Amassed a hefty bank by just buying low selling high inbetween GWD runs
>One day just start collecting DFS's
>Buy out everyone between 60-100m per dfs
>Eventually no one is selling anymore, on a server with roughly 100~ active people on peak times I had somehow bought out the majority of the DFS in circulation
>Clans would start camping KBD (the arena to fight the boss dragon in was all wildy on this server, so clans would just sit on it)
>This caused a lot of conflict among the two leading PVP clans causing much losses on both ends and a lot of inner drama
>While all this is happening in an effort to profit from the sudden higher demand for DFS's others merchants are trying to buy low sell high however the medium price has shifted from before at 60m to about 100m-120m
>So big clans were buying really high in comparison to my own stash, and were losing a lot of money through this sustained fight over KBD as it was much more common for DFS drops than black drags or metal drags, and also had the added bonus of dropping a smokey diamond. Some custom content shit I don't remember what it did but it sold for in the billions mark.
>Anyway tl;dr, as all this is coming to its peak I just dump my 500+ stash of DFS's for around 50m each, in some cases half of what I'd bought them for.
>I sold all 500 in a 2 day period to 500 separate people, 1 per person.
>The average price of DFS's actually dropped to my standard for up to 3 months after the event. So I may have cucked my own bank but I almost certainly cucked the two biggest clans as well.
>I quit shortly after because I grew bored of the repetition and the only reason to play the game being to flaunt my wealth to noobs or to taunt ex and current clan members who I had manipulated financially.

>need something off the ah
>spend more money to spite the piddly undercutters
I feel you, OP

>>378142686
>>378143003
fucking retard

>>378146963
No you fucking kike, keeping prices high is called a monopoly, and it's what kikes do. Letting the prices follow their supply and demand curves is the true free market.

>>378146025
This. Jew literally everyone over.

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>>378147031
>tfw I ALWAYS ignore undercutters and gladly spend one extra coin to ensure I'm not supporting the jews

Feels good man.

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>get a few of a somewhat rare item
>decide to hoard them
>look at AH
>see people I don't like selling that item
>pump the AH full of item I've hoarded at 5% their price (just above what a vendor would offer me to trash it)
>point out in general chat how much those assholes were "gouging" on the AH
>economy for that item fucked up for weeks

>>378147161
Anon, the jews are trying to extort as much as they possibly can from you, where as under cutters are trying to offer you savings. You have chosen the wrong man to supply your earnings to.

>>378147161
This, I always buy the item with a nice even price instead of undercutters who list for 99999.

>See someone advertising rare item, so inquire about the price

>Offer :)
>Give them an offer

>Sorry, someone else just msg'd me 10% higher than you. Do you want to raise your bid?

>Decline
>1 minute later

>Oh wait other buyer retracted. I can sell for your original price if you want :)

Why do so many people do this?

The natural way is to engage in an undercutting war until the true price of the item is found, where no one is willing to undercut anyone.

>>378146783
theoretically you could do it on WoW if you played on a PvP server and somehow got into contact with gankers in the enemy faction. can pay them through one of the neutral auction houses. it would be a stretch for such an arrangement to actually work, and likely not worth the hassle, but it's possible.

i thought you faggots liked the free market

>>378147509
Yeah I know but it's very contrived, I meant a more accessible way of doing it.

>>378145061
Because you fap to d va too no shame

>>378147489
so until it sells for the same value as NPC vendors are prepared to pay for it?

>"My prices are fair and reasonable!"

Yeah, I've heard that before. I'm sure that's what ALL the crafters and Jews think.

>>378144929
Then that's baked into the value of them. If people aren't buying them fast enough at the lower price bracket then you got fucked by supply and demand, not by the guy who put them up for a fairer price. Hell, if everyone else starts undercutting at the lower price like you say and they're not all running out of stock then it's probably still too high, and if I had enough quantity of my own I'd bring it down to the 49-59k range myself to try to get them to sell faster.

It seems like the people who complain about sellers "fucking up their market" have much less knowledge about how to play the AH then the ones they're complaining about. Usually they have a fundamental misunderstanding of how markets work, thinking that an item is worth whatever the lowest listing for it is so that someone listing it lower magically brings down the value.

>>378143710
This the true jew of the thread.

>>378147564
Only when we're not the ones selling ;^)

>>378142686
>see faggot selling item at one-money less than someone else
>buy the second least-expensive one instead just to spite him

Got you covered, OP.

>>378147597
Personally I believe NPC vendors being able to buy everything is wrong, it seems they have an unlimited supply of money. I think there should be a limit to what they will buy.

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>always discovered the hot new money-making tricks slightly after they became worthless in MMOs

>he thinks a market can be free of any influence
The goy will trick themselves, you don't even need to be crafty these days.

Feels bad man, I used to love fucking around in video game economies when I was young, now that I have a job its literally more time efficient to rmt everything.

>>378147489
this does not happen on my server in xiv

fuckers are willing to undercut by 1 until the item sells for fucking 1 gil

>>378147564
not when there's virtual money to be made fucker

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>>378142686
>Deliberately babysit my auctions to constantly undercut anyone trying to undercut me
>Wait until price has plummeted to at least 50% of what it was when I started
>Buy up all of my competitions goods and drive the price back up to what it originally was or higher
>Stop undercutting anyone and list my goods at new inflated price

>>378147579
maybe try EVE online, or some other sandbox MMO. paying mercenaries to go after merchants is quite common on those.

>>378143098
>See someone selling shit for 500k girl
>Sell mine for 400k
>5 minutes later it's sold

Enjoy your stagnating cesspool

>>378147597
Yeah, if it's a worthless item that nobody but vendors want to buy that's where it ends up. If it has any actual value due to being rare or required in large quantities by some recipe or other game mechanic then it will stabilize at a much higher value.

>>378147993
EVE has a great economy in place but it's not my kind of game.

>>378147768
they should have as much money as people give them through sales, on top of whatever other NPCs would realistically pay them. that and limited stock on everything.

>>378145426
This. Dyes are so unreasonably expensive so I found a dye seller npc and bought 99 dyes for 2k gil and flipped them all for 100k total

>>378147768
Honestly I support Black Desert's approach to this issue;

Everything can be sold to NPCs, but they will always buy for less than you can get on the AH. Also some things can only be sold to NPCs. As for the AH, it operates on a fixed system; raw chicken is ALWAYS worth between X and Y, and you physically cannot post it for greater or less than those values. You can decide where in that margin you want to set the price for your item, but you cannot undercut someone past a certain point and you also cannot list it for greater than what it's worth.

While it stifles the economy slightly, it also completely eradicates the problem of artificially inflating the market since even if you do buy up all of one item, you can't drive the price up past a certain point. Hot items always sell while common items can lounge for days.

The only real downside/negative is the bidding system is fucking garbage, and unless you control the city AHs take like 30-35% of your profits as a fee, so selling something for 10 mil only gets you 7mil in actual profit.

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>List item for 30gp
>Someone else lists it for 29gp
>buy their listing
>list their item for 30gp

>>378148335
>we will tell you how much you can sell this for
sounds like shit.

>>378148101
I think EVE got it right. Like I said I don't like the game, but the economy is on point. They have no vendors for the most part, and the ones that do exist are meaningful. "Vendor trash" is refined and converted into materials that can be sold for their natural price (since it's a free market) to other players.
There is literally no reason for modern MMOs not to have player driven economies. You can have vendors, but definitely not infinite money vendors. What you are suggesting is how they should always operate. Limited stock and realistic money supply are necessary to keep player economy alive.

>>378148472
And the 50 or so posts in this thread of nothing but complaining about how the free-market system is shit and how easy it is to abuse seems better?

>>378142686
Because cheaper goods are place before more expensive goods so even if its essentially the same price the buyer will see his first and thus buy it

>>378146783
>player is undercutting your shit
>ynw hire an investigator to find out where he's gathering and who he buys from
>ynw make an exclusive wholesale deal with his buyer, and pay thugs to harass his gathering attempts
>ynw bribe the auctioneer to delay his listings going up
>ynw play a game that lets you form a player run mafia to dominate and control the raid buff market

>>378148364
>after the AH cut you end up losing money

>>378148561
These people are complaining because people aren't buying their retard prices.

>>378148335
No direct trading, mostly fixed AH prices, and the cash shop really turn me off from the game.

I had high hopes for the economy when I first started playing and made a company out of fishing, but then prices started getting retarded with dozens of millions coins for one item.

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>tfw Anri retired before she could do D.Va porn

>low supply of low-level crafting material in AH because people don't farm it anymore
>buy it all out and sell for much higher
>people buy it anyway to level their crafting skill instead of farming their own mats
Who /jew/ here?

>>378148335
Sounds incredibly lame to be honest

>>378148721
>No direct trading
Aaaaaaaaaand dropped.

>"Hey bro, I need X for my thing."
>Damn, I've got like 3.
>"Can I have it?"
>I'd say yes, but we cannot trade. Here, come to the AH and buy one off me. I'll mark it as cheap as I can.
>"That's still 60k tho..."

>>378148969

>pchan

I love Fuko.

>>378148335
>but you cannot undercut someone past a certain point and you also cannot list it for greater than what it's worth.
The problem is that fixing the price range has the exact opposite effect. The real value of the items fluctuate based on supply and demand, and if they end up worth more than the forced maximum price they will often be completely out of stock, and if they're worth less than the forced minimum they will sell a lot slower than they should. It fucks over both the buyers and the sellers in either case, and the one arguably positive effect of it is that encourages players to trade with each other manually for many items rather than use the AH.

>>378148637
>ynw extort the top PvE raiding guilds for protection money

>>378142686
>auction house
How did you expect this was going to end?

>>378148637
>ywn set up a sweat shop where kidnapped gnome mages slave away conjuring water and food that you sell on the underground consumables market

>>378149193
Ironically BDO has no direct player trades because the devs cited fighting "gold seller bots" as the reason.

Even more ironic is that this didn't actually stop bots or gold sellers.

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>>378148561

From the sound of it they just have sand in their anus because someone can either produce the same stuff with lower price or are selling under production value. In case of latter the seller should eventually run out of money so they could just buy the stock and sell it when it inflates back to the original supposed market price. In case of former they should either start cutting costs or switch to different commodity if they can't compete.
I've lived in a ranch for around 20 years and I'm utterly tired of people who get 40% of their income from government subsidies bitching about customers not willing to spend much for bulk products. It doesn't even occur to them that maybe the whole idea of farming in a country with 3 warm months and insane labor costs isn't very sound idea economically speaking, unless it's a high end brand.

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>>378143710
This

>all the commies itt
Disgusting.

>>378145908
Its always mid tier stuff that costs the most. Low level is usually easy as fuck to obtain and high level everyone is getting that stuff since its used in every end game crafting recipe or whatever.

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>>378146684
>>378146783
>>378147993
EvE literally had this.Some russian Player who got insanely rich had his market dominance threatened after CCP made some changes and shifted ressources to different regions, so he funded a war and literally hired 5000 players as mercenaries to take down the gentiles who would threaten his jew gold.

>>378147964
Then you just get undercut again and lose all your money
Nice going fag

>>378150932
EVE is literally the most srs business game in existence.

>>378149080
She used to work at a soapland. If only I spoke Japanese and had money, paizuri from her could've been possible.

>>378142686
>playing an mmo auction house when you could be trading crypto

>>378147475
IT just werks.

Now buy it before I trash your teeth.

>someone posts the item you're selling for 1c/1g/whatever more than the first buy order

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>>378151074
Real Money trading is a big business for russian botters so it literally is serious business for them.
Pic related is the leader of the biggest russian alliance in Eve who got strangely rich over the years,moved to Jew York and bought a BMW.

>>378150976
Naw, often it can take days to be undercut my any serious amount, and I've got so much on the market that people buy it anyway.

>>378143969
The market isn't "ruined" if demand is so low the cheapened items don't get cleared out quickly. It means the initial price was overvalued.

>>378143969
This is always fucking disgusting. Just when you find something good to sell, some faggot comes along and drops the price tremendously thinking that lowering it that much is going to make their shit move faster.

It never does. The same faggots are going to buy the item they want at any price on the market, and it doesn't matter if it's 200k or 110k. They're going to pick the cheapest item, even if the cheapest is one gold less than what someone else is selling.

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>online game has a F2P scheme that limits the wallet size of F2Pers
>decide to do them a solid and also hurt the jew devs by selling stuff at prizes the F2Pers can afford
>jew crafters throw a complete temper tantrum because i destroy the market

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>Play MMO
>There's a market, but it has NPC buyers and sellers for some reason.
>Can't list an item for a specific price, can only buy items for a set price or sell for 80% of the price.
>As people buy items, the price goes up.
>As people sell items, the price goes down.
>Only way to jew people is via the trade channel.

Also, I remember buying a bunch of ships in EVE and selling them in distant hubs, for some reason people are willing to pay 100m extra for a ship if they can avoid having to jump in to Jita or wherever for it.

>>378147161
Stupid fucking retard you're supporting the fucking jew keeping the price high while the person undercutting is promoting a healthy economy. How are people so fucking stupid holy fucking shit this whole thread is making me want to kill people. Now i understand why there's so many professional corporate semen slurpers on here.

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>Finally got both halves of the bindings of the windseeker during WoD
>Just need to get 10 Enchanted Elementium Bar
>Need 10 arcanite bar for 1 Enchanted Elementium Bar
>Arcanite Bar needs 1 thorium bar and 1 Arcane Crystal
>People sell them in the AH for 100g
>"That's retarded, the drop rate is 1 in 10."
>At one point I go 2 whole hours without getting a single Arcane Crystal
>I need 100
>I buy every fucking crystal in the AH and check back every 3 hours to see if anyone has put more up
I eventually made it, but without the AH I don't know if I would have.
Spent 3 days grinding that bullshit.
Part of me still wants to try for the Hammer I've still never got.
At least I know I have enough Blood of the Mountain to do it.

>>378152865
>buy low in one hub
>sell high in another hub
Well congratu-fucking-lations you figured out what 90% of trading is about.

>>378150097

Who's this cutie?

>>378142773

>"I'm fucking retarded"

>played wow ages ago
>farmed like a madman
>sold ore in larger quantities at a cheaper price
>some day, some butt mad dude with "bank" in his name start going apeshit on me
>tell him to calm down and to buy my stuff to sell it at his price
>he agrees in the end
>I literally became his supplier
>I started farming for him, at some point he didn't even farm
>he was playing the hotshot on /2 while slacking in front of the city
>I suddenly stopped selling him anything
>put every single one of my ore at his price -1
>he lost everything
>I became rich

stupid goy

>>378152803

Wut game

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>>378147161
>buying intentionally high
>being proud of it

>>378153205
There was only one hub that was shared between locations. Game was Necros online.

Jokes on them though, money was useless anyway.

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>>378153494
TORtanic

>>378153950

Holy shit this dude is delusional.

>>378142686
sorry op
I do that

This is what I did in DFO. Just look up cheapest price for shit, lower it slightly and actually sell things

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>>378142686
all loot belongs to the state

>get rare item
>sell it for a high but reasonable price
>some Marxist fuck throws a shitfit because he can't afford it
Every time

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>limited item, always valuable, always sells
>people could raise the price if they wanted
>they undercut people instead making less money while driving the price down
>the item could be sold double the price, benefiting anyone who wants to sell
>they still undercut forcing you to lower the price
ENOUGH

It's about time the Blizzard faggots admit that they based D.Va on Anri Okita

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>/v/ - Jewish Video Games

>>378144037
I did this in Dofus, after weeks of autistic harvesting I built a massive stock of bread (the only way to heal yourself out of combat) and I gouged the prices long enough that the standard bread price was forever changed on that server

I'm that person you all hate so much

I will continue to undercut you by 15% or more for instant profit, the time spent waiting for higher prices to sell can be spent obtaining or creating more product that I will continue to sell for a lower price

Stay upset, learn to economy

>>378154894
I hate this stuff too but I also do it from time to time.

I just started playing WoW again with some friends on a new server where I have nothing, so I'll gladly sell anything I find at 50% of all the other postings or less if it will get me the cash I need right now. And since gold is fucking worthless now once you get 10K+ I really don't need 100% of the sale value anyway.

>>378154894
You faggots do it even if it doesn't make sense, even if the currency you get from selling the item does nothing to help you get more of those items to sell.
You faggots are just assholes who drive down prices for no reason.

If it makes sense, if you need that money instantly so you can by more materials to make more of the product, then it makes sense, but the way games are created more often than not you're just assholes who think you're clever by undercutting everyone, even though you could have asked for more money.

>>378143098
There's something primally satisfying about destroying economies.

>>378143098
>healthy market competition
>whatever the fuck you're doing
Pick one, you fucking oligopolist.

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>>378155169
That's cool, my products are selling and yours aren't. You can hold that.

>>378143098
Thats collusion you daft cunt, the opposite of healthy market competition.
You fucking jew.

>>378142686
post the webm.
with sound.

>>378155538
They are selling, I am just forced to lower the price and make significantly less money.
You faggots do not understand how markets work. You're losing money, and you're forcing other people to lose money.

>>378154491
>limited item
>enough people have it to constantly undercut

do you mean limited as in less than infinite?

>someone undercuts by a fair amount that's still affordable
>oligopolists screech and cry about less profits
Every time.

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>Jews getting pissed off that they cant jew the rest of the players because another jew is willing to jew you over by jewing everyone else a little bit less.

>>378147372
>you get lucky and hoard a rare item
>lose a bunch of money on it because you don't understand how the price is dictated by its supply
what a fucking retard

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>>378155819
>bingobazingopopalistrists meme on the economy
>they try to defend their tomfoolery

Every time.

>>378155970
>jews pretending to be goys jewing jews

>>378155970
>when the only way to outjew the jew is by being less jew to all the non-jews
Does this mean that there's a little jew inside every one of us?

>>378155787
>you're forcing other people to lose money
This is competiton, not My Little Economy.

>>378147475
maximizing profits through jewnipulation

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVPop0LsaQ
>this entire thread

Reminds me of the mystic coins in gw2. Shit was like 3 silver back then, now it's 1 gold and i'm sitting on 500 of them because i never used them.
I'm too jewish to sell though. Demand is high as fuck.

>>378143710
This, it's like you fags have never played the AH before

>singlehandedly brought the value of cobalt on my wow server to nothing because i farmed and processed it for hours nonstop while watching cartoon or porn on my other monitor
From 40G a stack to 2-3G a stack. It was really comfy. Of course I made a decent amount of gold myself this way too but it was more fun using my profits to buy all the cobalt and hoard it just to constantly undercut people. I had a lot of fun doing it but I have to wonder what the fuck was wrong with me.

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>>378142686
>tfw you buyout every single item of a very in demand thing and resell it all at more than double the original price
>tfw you piss off the entire server in the process but they have no choice but to buy your shit or farm it themselves

>>378156419
You did good.

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>go to check prices to sell my immortal reliquary for dota 2
>it's a crate item that has one of several random items in it
>the value of the reliquary is almost 10$ higher than the most valuable item you could receive from it

i was happy with that, but fucking how and why

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>>378156075
>>378156076
COMPLETE GLOBAL JEWFICATION
This is actually the illuminatie's plan, known in some circles as the NWO
Dont believe me? Look it up. It's all in the numbers.

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>>378156425
>mfw this literally a bannable offense in SWTOR
>told my friend who played SWTOR about it
>"he was probably using exploits or glitches and who fucking cares it's an MMO there's other things to do"
>not mfw he got a fucking 7 day suspension for doing the exact same fucking thing a week later

>>378156110
It's a competition between r/k people.
Some faggots want to sell their shit as soon as possible making minimal to no gains, others want to make a profit and think in the long term.

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THREAD THEME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHgxOXEQaFU

The real problem is inflation.

>account gets hacked
>all got gets sold
>player opens a ticket
>account gets returned to player
>now there's twice as much money in the world
This is a real problem in WoW and why they opened the black market ah, but it's not enough

>>378145993
>>378146198
>American education

>>378156419
Why didn't the goyim just buy 20 stacks of your 2g cobalt and simply sell them for 40g?
That kind of a drop in price is perfect for investment.
I'd simply sit in the auction house buying all your cobalt and make thousands of shekels off your work.

>>378156689
You can get banned in swtor for using the auction house? That's pretty fucking stupid. Why would anyone play a game with price fixing like that?

>>378156872
Blizzard is the biggest cause of inflation. They give out 1000g+ from quests and dungeon caches now.

Quests used to barely even give 1g

>Play ESO
>Have a guild store at a prime location
>Go to the shittier ones
>They have to keep the prices down otherwise no one would ever visit them
>Regularly go to them and buy their underpriced shit and sell them for more at better locations
>Literally selling and reselling, don't produce any good or provide any valuable service
>At this moment, I am jewish
I spend way to many hours a week doing this shit

>>378144475
>MMO economies

SheKeKels

>>378156751
Welcome to the world outside your oligopoly, where people don't care about what you want.

>>378157209
That's literally wholesale trade anon.You may not produce anything, but you do provide a service.

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>>378156689
>jewing in tortanic is a bannable offense

Oy gevalt, not another shoah!

I utterly ruined the gem economy on my WoW server during Burning Crusade.

I had people 25~ people funneling me ore to prospect and send back gold in return. I'd pull a large profit almost every time. Roughly 10,000g per day cost.

Thousands of gems for auction at prices much lower than everyone else. Making 35,000g+ a day doing practically nothing. Took maybe an hour a day to process ore and cut gems and repost with Auction lite.

Hit gold cap on 8 characters back then. (Cap now is 999,999. Was 214k). Since the arrival of WoW tokens I havent paid for my sub in like 2 years.

I don't do any auctioning anymore. Barely play.

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>>378156970
You'd think but the thing I never understood is if I was buying medium/high price cobalt just to hoard it and sell it for cheaper, why wasn't that causing more people or the same people to just keep farming and selling it? It was weird and it shouldn't have worked. I think that's why I did it for as long as I did. It was also pretty counterproductive because the more the value of cobalt dropped, the less gold I made, so it would be worth less and less of my time, but I kept going at it. I almost suspect that I was farming and selling so much cobalt and processed cobalt that it just got to a point that simply no one needed it anymore. It made me feel accomplished though. Never even hit level cap despite putting over twice the hours needed to do so

>>378156975
pic

>>378157609
Video games aren't real life. You low IQ retards wouldn't last in the real world.
Constantly undercutting everyone every time no matter what doesn't work outside of video gaymes.

>>378147891
this, people are fucking retarded in FFXIV. crafted items regularly sell for less than the cost of the mats to make it, but selling the mats is waste of life because it's all time gated and you'll never compete with the gather bots that sell hours of "work" for pennies

>>378157735
but they are the ones jewing, how can lowering the prices be jewing?

>>378142686
Its called a free market.
John across the street has every right to sell his fish for less than you sell yours, you want to take his sales, sell cheaper fish.

>>378157795
>buying and selling
>not it's intended use

Then what's it for?

>>378142686
Who here always sold his stuff 10 or 20% cheaper than the lowest price you could find
I didn't care about missing out on benefits, I just want my stuff to sell quickly

shit I'm starting to miss mmorpgs just for the auction house, I need help

>>378144004
Why are the chinese mafias all about vanilla servers
There are some pretty popular servers for bc and tlk but I never saw or heard something like that in those servers

>>378157797
Because actual oligopolies are huge, can advertise better, and can crush the little man.
Meanwhile most videogame markets are just listings.
You're not a true oligopoly until you can exert enough power to keep the little men out.

>>378157209
>Literally selling and reselling, don't produce any good or provide any valuable service
How is bringing stock to a convenient location for buyers not providing a valuable service? The time you spent walking back and forth between guild stores is the time you saved the consumer, and your markup is the value of that time.

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>>378142686
>Auction House
>Look how low my Item is selling.
>Match it on buyout but put it at a competitive price on bid.
>People will usually buy my stuff because I'am not an undercutting dick.

>>378157814
That's generally my sentiment with MMO farming in general. Eventually, someone's going to automate a bot to do it and tank the price where no one can make any real money, the only way to stop that kind of thing is by putting things worth selling through something that requires enough work so it can't be botted. For example, putting items behind raid encounters.

>>378145930
>You have to know economics to know what supply and demand are and see why it applies to OP's situation.

I have only 1 semester of economy in uni and know this shit, everyone knows this shit, it is common knowledge.

>>378143710
This, haven't you fags ever heard of "buy low, sell high"?

>>378142686
free market, that's why auction houses are shit though, manual barter and trade is the best

>>378158803
it doesn't work because nobody undercuts you by any substantial amount, it's usually pennies which if you tried to flip you would lose out on the AH cut

>>378157814
Mats are more valuable because you can use them for anything

>>378159020
see >>378143098

>>378159043
You can use them for anything, but anything you make with them will currently be of lower quality than what you could get elsewise. FFXIV put some work into making a detailed crafting system but leaves it to languish because nothing's really that worthwhile to make with it.

>not buying all items in a category and controlling the market price by holding the supply

>>378159069
>oh man someone drown out the market with cheap orders

nows your chance, buy up all his shit and put those things back up on market for full price

thats how you make money on shitters who do this

>>378157973

It's just a price you pay for getting the stuff faster.
It also works in the opposite way. There are people who make their living by buying stuff from Craiglist and reselling for a higher price after a while. They essentially provide a service for people who want the item but don't want to wait for a cheaper offer to appear.

>>378159290
That was my point with >>378158803

>>378147891
>>378157814
The problem there is the bots, not the sellers. Bots will tank any game economy easily since they are impossible to humanly compete with. You need strong enforcement and maintenance from the developers if you ever hope to solve that problem; it's not something the players have the power to influence unless it's a complete sandbox where you can harass and kill the bots to interfere with their production.

I'm not familiar with FFXIV's crafting system but is it in any way similar to WoW where you gain skill points for crafting things? In other words, is there any benefit whatsoever to crafting an item other than obtaining the item you crafted? I know in WoW people complain a lot when a crafted item is listed for less than the cost of the mats, but what they don't understand is that's because the item is not worth much and the crafter's main goal was the experience gained from crafting it rather than the final product. In that situation the person selling it for less than the cost of the mats is making the correct decision by pricing his item so it sells, allowing him to recoup some portion of the cost of the mats rather than stubbornly hoping its value will eventually rise above the entire cost.

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>>378142686
>set a fair, reasonable price
Now hang on now...

>>378144314
Tell that to the American Beer Market.

>>378143098
that person is me
server?

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I can't tell who the jews are anymore. I just want to sell my stuff.

Maybe this is why I prioritize my clan for sales and donate items to them.

>>378159419
Which stand is that and what joke are you trying to make here?

>>378159290
by the time anyone buys my bullshit he'll be back with more gear and I'll be broke

>>378159559
You're fucking retarded, you're just making excuses to your incompetence

this is why a game like EVE doesn't have these problems in the economy

>>378159364
Instead of skill points, you gain levels and xp.
So yes.

Supply and demand are completely irrelevant to this conversation. This isn't a downward trend caused by excess supply or sudden violent shifts in the demand for the product, and the value of "one coin" is irrelevant.

This is just somebody gaming the system to make their listings more visible. It helps them move an abundant product indistinguishable from their competition more quickly. It doesn't really interact with the state of supply or demand.

>>378159364
ffxiv crafting system is a mess
but a fun mess and you get to do crafting rotations and get crafting skills, even more skills than your combat classes
the gear and having the correct skills is the most important thing for crafting and it's strangely satisfying too

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>>378159605
nay

>>378159043
yeah if you have the crafting skill to use them. the idea is people are willing to pay more than the component materials to skip the grind and actual crafting time.

plus you can only use them once, so the potential to be anything is completely lost anyway and you would have been better of just buying whatever you ended up making with the mats

nobody in mmos puts any value on their time though, so you end up in these situations

>>378159605
That's because EVE players just attack people who try this.

>>378159646
>gaming
hes not cheating faggot he CHOOSES to list his item superior to yours. Thats how market competition works, that is literally supply and demand

the problem is that in a game, every item with a said name is exactly the same, there is literally no difference between two sellers other than the price.

In rl, same items can have different quality depending on the seller, so you if your product is able to stand out above others it doesnt matter if they try undercutting with their cheap ass quality

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>>378159749
>tfw hunted down mercilessly for tanking the price of minerals in Dodixie.

Even five years later, I'm still on a Russian blacklist leading to every small ship I undock in at trade hubs to get thrasher'd or whatever the flavor of the month gankship is.

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>>378159926
checkmate

>>378159646
Wrong. Changes in price are absolutely relevant.

>>378157923
Or maybe i could round up my union buddies, pay John a visit, break his legs, kill his dog, and burn his fucking house to the ground

>>378142686
just set it and forget it, over the course of a day it will most likely sell if its an actually wanted item

>>378159926

Product differentation isn't really a thing when it comes to commodities IRL since you are essentially just buying standardized stuff.

>retards don't know how an economy works
>MUH JEWZ
This site has been overrun by 12 year olds

>>378159364
technically yes you get crafting xp for crafting, but that's a really shitty way to level your crafting so there isnt a flood of stuff on the market for that reason. people are just really fucking dumb on the XIV market. there's a bunch of stuff that regularly sells below vendor sell price

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>>378160101

>>378159782

I didn't say he was cheating, and it still has nothing to do with supply or demand.

In an auction house, everyone is looking at listings for identical items in a centralized location. There's no way to distinguish your listing other than by changing its price. As opposed to stores for example, which do a lot of things to distinguish themselves in order to sell identical products.

Costless undercutting to improve visibility is an effective strategy completely irrespective of how much supply or demand there is for a product. We're not talking about price trends; we're talking about maximizing visibility.

>>378160106

1c in WoW is not relevant. If you undercut flasks by 1c a thousand times, you haven't meaningfully devalued flasks. You have, however, consistently kept yourself at the top of listings.

Again, this behavior is profitable without invoking supply or demand.

>>378160094
lol just make a new account bruh and supply your main that way.

>>378160348
retard

>>378160604

Just trying to help you understand, friend. If I delist my product to undercut yours, neither supply nor demand have changed. All I've done is increase the visibility of my listings.

>>378160243
Depends on the commodity. Foods yeah, you'd be right, but things like electronics, clothing, etc can have drastic differences from one brand to another.

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>>378159926
in ffxiv, crafters can attempt to make "High-Quality" versions of items that are superior in some way to their normal counterparts (e.g. a HQ Potion would heal more hp than a regular potion, but less than the normal quality of the next crafting level of potion, which is a Hi-Potion, HQ gear would have better stats than regular gear) in exchange for actual effort from the crafter and more resources.

The problem is the hard as shit entry fee to get into the crafting game and bother making any of that shit. HQ gear sells for literally millions even though the materials are down to like pennies on the market since it's easier to gather than craft. As long as you only have like a handful of people qualified to make HQ gear on your server prices are perpetually fucked, with the elite crafters selling shit at like 100000% what the materials cost because they know no one else can afford to HQ shit.

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>do specific quests to unlock a somewhat rare vendor
>buy in bulk their infinite supplies
>resell at absurd prices in stacks of 99
>people buy that shit ASAP every time
do people not know how to google items

>>378161284

Sounds like you are doing a service to people who can't be arsed to look it up or do the quest.
Middlemen are often necessary in trade because effective allocation of resources requires someone to know what the preferences of the consumer are and connect them by buying from the producer.

>>378157797
You are calling everybody a J ew, but the truth is that YOU are the real J ew

>>378143098

The reason for this is that retards don't value their time, money or effort.

"<x> cost me nothing so I don't care what its worth"

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>>378160094
>Dodixie
>off all places
Dodixie is the main hub for scum and villainy in the southeast.Don't fuck with the pirate cartels if you can't handle the heat.

>>378142869
post full video*

>>378142869
>>378164076
I don't know the source, I just saved it from somewhere.

>>378142686
Literally because you reject Christianity. This sort of shit was a sin back in the day.

Who here likes selling high level things for way below the average just to piss off fags who circle jerk staying at the same prices take or give 10g

>>378163735
Why do huge slug monsters care so much for humanoid girls?

I have a crush on Dva and it's unironically driving me crazy. I go through the motions of the day thinking about her the whole time. Half the time I feel a dreamy sense of love which feels great, the rest of the time I feel a sense of anxiety. Normally when I like an anime girl I just fap to her and make her my phone background and shit like that, no stress. Somehow this is beyond all that, she's too real. I can't stop comparing her to teenage girls I knew in the past, which inevitably leads to how they rejected me or led me on en route to their Chad boyfriends. I wish I could stop this, I know Dva (and Mei/etc. too) is better than any of those bitches in every way. I know that but the small leftover voice of the loser I was in high school keeps telling me otherwise. Fuck, I thought I was over and done with that mindset long ago.

Leave it to a 16 year old fantasy anime character to bring about all this inner turmoil and deep seated psychological conflict. Am I gonna make it guys? Will I be able to love Dva as my real 25 year old far improved self or will I keep getting dragged back to that high school loser mentality that I thought I had lost years ago? Maybe this battle is what having a waifu means for me, I've never really used that word before. In any case I'll fight to the bitter end.

>>378152448
But that would mean their shit would move faster then yours......

>>378164224
>free market competition is a sin
what?

>>378152448
Boohoo?

>>378164775
They make good attractions for humanoid customers and pet food.

>>378152448
I did that today on FFXIV with some old event item. Whole bunch of them were up for 4m.

Placed mine up for 1.5m, an hour later the others were 1gil lower than that so I lowered it down to 900k.

I don't care if it sells or not really, it's just some trash household item, if I want to play house I'll buy the fucking Sims.

>>378152448
>People sell things cheaper thinking their product will move faster because of it
>People's product moves faster because of lower price
>This is somehow proof that selling things cheaper doesn't make their product move faster.

>>378159364
FF14 has to grind through 280~ story quests to even be able to start crafting current high-end stuff. 280~ combat-class level-gated quests. Bots actually aren't an issue in the current expansion because of that. They will be in the next because skip potions.

>>378142686
>abloobloobllo i cant understand a free market, i need an authority to regulate it

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>>378142773
>Kid who got a D in Economics trying to talk down to others

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>>378164076

>>378142686
that's capitalism

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>>378153348
>list item on AH for reasonable but profitable price
>random faggot whispers me bitching about the price and that nobody would ever buy it
>tell him it's a reasonable price and i'm not changing it
>auction eventually sells
>that faggot bought it

Every time.

Free market, bitch

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>>378167131
>human wastes who fell for uni/college meme arguing about semantics

>>378143098

I reiterate

FREE MARKET BITCH

Maybe you can suck your cronies' dicks for cash

>>378143098

> WHY WON'T MY PRICE GOUGING WOOOOOOOOOORK?

>>378142773
fpbp

>>378167682
It's a retarded tactic that works on kids/betacucks. I really couldn't believe it works until I've tried it a couple of times myself.

>>378166692
>>378165067
The point is, it doesn't matter if they drop the price by 1 gil or a million, there's still becomes the superior item to buy. They're hurting their own profits by dropping prices so much.

The only time dropping the price by more than 20% is going to net you a greater profit is when there's an oversupply of items that aren't selling, at which point the price must drop until items start moving again. If there's already a demand of 30 items per day, listing another item in a group of 20 isn't going to profit any seller.

>>378144638

>Bots aren't real

Yeah all those undergeared players with gibberish names standing on the exact same spot are totally legit

>>378143450
I had a friend destroy my server's economy in wotlk with his level 17 orc warrior
>made gold by mining copper nodes
>once he owned all of the copper on the AH he moved up to the next one and the next one
>eventually he ended up controlling the market for ore, cloth and leather
>I thought I was hot shit having 110k but he got to a point where it was the only thing he did
>started failing classes irl
>stopped working out
>he hit the gold cap on all 10 of his characters
>he didn't even know what to do with all the gold so for shits and giggles he started buying out everything and put it up for stupid high prices
>when he was banned, 1 copper ore was going for 1k

>>378147161

>In order to defeat the jews, I fund the jews

What did he meme by this

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>>378167919
>Brainlet high school drop out talking shit

>>378147597

Yes

You have a hard floor on your item price. How lucky for you.

>>378155169

I have more money than you since people are buying from me

:^]

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>play wow
>hard times were gold actually matters for the 220k game time token
>europisser
>the fuckin faggot underbid me for 100g on some item instead of 1g
>would buy all of his stuff but that would be presumbly a waste

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>>378142686
>getting undercut for a single copper

Stop selling common crafting materials or relist your auctions later. Anything that isn't getting sold because of a one copper margin is selling slow enough that you'll have to put it back up on the AH down the line, OP.

Or you could buy out the competition.

>>378159646

This is absolutely an excess supply, or people would buy your second-best price after the best-price is gone

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>>378170682
>copper

Sorry, I don't play World of Jewcraft.

How do you become the jew in real life?

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>>378171137
the first step is to start rubbing your hands, goy

pic related, being a jew requires proper form

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>Owning a monopoly on an item
>goys complain about the price on it
>They buy it anyways

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>>378170921
>playing any MMO

None of them are good anymore and most of the ones out right now never were, anon.