For the first 15 hours I didn't get why everyone was so

>>378060482

God, this sucked balls. I need a new VN to read.

>>378060482
Why are all the characters fucking idiots this time around?

>get to the AFM
>listen to the stupid explanation of Nazis finding a fucking time machine
>still hope that Zero trying to fuck with the characters
>game ends, AFM was the real deal
He literally had a more interesting setup with the fragment system and puzzling together the correct timeline. AFM could have been a fluke, trying to trick the player into believing things are happening in different timelines or out of order. Fuck this game.

I think it was alright

Discovering the real timeline was the best part in the game

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>>378060482
>For the first 15 hours I didn't get why everyone was so disappointed
I agree that the ending was the worst part of the game, but there was a lot of bullshit in the early portions of the game that didn't fly with me.

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>>378060482
>>378063842
I remember waiting for a twist or reveal that never came.

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>>378061295
If I recall correctly Uchi had a different plan in mind but trashed it. Whether this was because of the "making it appeal to the West" thing or budget/time constraints I have no idea.
>>378063842
Is it just me or did they ruin Junpei more than Akane?

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>>378064456
Which one in particular?
>>378064487
I'd say they ruined them both equally honestly.
Which sucks because they were both awesome in VLR sans Junpei's "muh quark"

>>378064657
>Phi is a clone
At least they got something right.

>>378064657
>Phi is Sigma and Luna's daughter
So close

>>378064487
I think he cut a lot of the planned connections to the previous games because he was mainly focusing on selling the game to a new audience and disassociating it from the previous games. He made a lot of weird decisions because of that, like taking the series name out of the title in Japan.

They ruined Junpei and Akane equally, if you ask me.

>>378064657
Who would win, 10000 of ZTD Akane's "muh Junpeis" or one of Tenmyouji's "muh Quarks"?

>>378060740
How about all the ones one available on the internet?

>>378060482
Hong Kong 97 has an ending?

>>378061295
Uchi kicked his number one writer in favor of someone with more cinematic experience. All was done just to please the western audience supporting him since nips didn't give rats ass about the series. He probably had hopes of creating new sequels with the similiar style. Ironically the result was something no one wanted.

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desperate for more zero escape discussion bump

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>>378068005
>we've gone from 2-3 threads a day to barely a thread a weekend over the course of a year

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>>378068204
To be fair there was a lot of shitposting last year because of how bad ZTD was and now there's really nothing to do but complain
I still remember the hype threads when the character art was revealed ;______;

>ztd was bad meme
enough
it wasn't as good as 999 or, arguably, vlr, but ztd is good on its own right

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>>378068806
worst bait I've seen in a while

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>>378068464
I only got into the series around March last year, didn't actually get into the threads until April, so I missed out on the character reveals.
Was just in time for the Famitsu scans and the stream though. Good times.

>>378068990
Not even him but I think it's a pretty good game too. People like to fucking exaggerate on everything.

I haven't finished yet but even if the ending is the worst in video game history, it won't change the fact I still had fun for the rest of the game and a shit ending won't erase it.

A game is not only it's ending.

>>378068990
I agree with him

ZTD's biggest problem is its obvious lack of budget. Those animations are terrible.

>>378069217
>March last year
You missed out on having to wait so many god damn years only to be disappointed

>>378068806
>ZTD was not bad
correct
>ZTD is good
wrong

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>>378069308
>>378069375

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>>378069410
I was still disappointed, if it counts. I still wish I'd been here for the whole ride.

>>378069308
>>378069375
ALIEN
FAX
MACHINE

>>378069308
It didn't have any plot worth mentioning before the ending. Just a bunch of shallow gore and dragged out cutscenes that repeat the exact same thing three times each for the different teams. The "complex moral choices" that were advertised were a complete joke.

>>378069647
This is what I don't fucking understand. People will say "I-It's just the budget that made the game bad!" but don't touch on the fact that it made a bunch of things from VLR "noncanon metafiction", and that Uchi tried to defend it by saying that we should make our own endings or some shit. What the fuck.

>>378064487
Uchi changed the story because at the point of ZTD getting greenlit he had known how it was gonna end for so long that he was bored with it. So he wrote a new ending. He confirmed this in an interview.

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>>378070462
Tell me you're memeing

>>378069647
>>378069969
The AFM is kind of the only way Phi could be Sigma's daughter, which was already foreshadowed in VLR.
I dunno how else you would have done this.

And anyone who thought Another Time was actually canon and not "thank you for playing my game, you're great, I love you, please play the next game" ego-stroking is basically retarded.

Also I think Alice and Clover's dialogue in AT was meant to foreshadow the AFM.

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>>378070719
He's not wrong. Uchi is 100% solely to blame.

【F】

>>378070719
http://nintendoeverything.com/zero-escape-creator-on-origins-and-making-zero-time-dilemma-series-as-a-whole-more/
>When Uchikoshi was developing the second and third games simultaneously, he had the plot skeleton for the third game which was left intact, but the rest of the game became totally different. It’s because when he was writing the plot, he already knew what the outcome was going to be, so he might end up getting bored in writing the scenario. In order to avoid that, he had a suggestion to ‘surprise himself even more’, which resulted in the story getting changed.

I'm still willing to wager he changed everything due to publisher pressure.

>>378069969
I don't get it either. Pumping more money in doesn't fix bad writing, and it was Uchikoshi who decided to waste all the funds by going full cinematics. Wouldn't surprise me if that's part of why the original project got canned, since he was talking about wanting to do it like that since the VLR answers.

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>>378070939
FUCKING KILL ME

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>>378070939
God damn it

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>>378071446
>tfw even us anons could write a better ZTD than uchi

>>378070939
It's sort of the opposite of that. With 999 and VLR, he had producers calling the shots and keeping things in line, which he complained about a lot, but ZTD was the only one that he had full reign on with no authority to tell him what to do. According to interviews, the producer said "yes" to Uchikoshi's every demand, like changing the title and the artist.

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>>378071871
Huh. Well disregard me, I suck cocks.
It just sort of annoys me how /v/ went from "Uchi is based" to "wtf I hate Uchi now"
after ZTD hit. Guess that's just my fault tho.

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>>378071871
Well good fucking job Uchi you fucked up

>>378072043
He went full "this game was only made by you guys and for you guys, please buy it" and it turned out he gave 0 fucks about his fans in favour of new fans he could trick into buying his shit thanks to dropping text for more casual-friendly cutscenes
People who still like Uchi are mindless drones

>>378071871
What could have been done to save ZTD? Like if you were Uchi's editor what would you tell him?

>>378064657
Holy shit imagine if they brought Cradle into it. Too bad Uchikoshi was so obsessed with accessibility for new players.

>>378071871
>remove people saying no
>it's shit
every single time

>>378072395
>People who still like Uchi are mindless drones
This 100%
Didn't he block people on twitter or something?

>>378072471
Cradle was SUPPOSED to be involved in it if VLR was any indication. The Myrmidons were known as "Clay Dolls", but then they localized it for whatever reason.

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>>378072471
>tfw Ace was mentioned in VLR
>nowhere to be found in ZTD

What other "thriller" VNs are there? I've already done Zero Escape series, Infinity series, I/O, Root Double, and Steins;Gate. I'll probably play Chaos;Child when that gets localized.

>>378072585
Don't use 'localize' to talk about things you don't like. Also any changes have to be approved and people at Aksys already knew important plot points of ZTD since the VLR era (like D-END 2) so it probably wasn't supposed to be more than an easter egg.
>>378072660
Didn't Jumpei say he was in prison?

>>378064657
I love how the only one that is actually true is the Mira one but even then it seems like it was edited in afterward, given the edge offset.
So I bet there was something else there that was equally false

>>378072409
No idea. To fix it, you'd have to start at the root. That means at least making it with the actual dev team from 999 and VLR, keeping it a visual novel, and not throwing out the plot points VLR set up for the third game. But what to do from there is beyond me.

>>378069647
As shit as it is it's alluded to in VLR when Akane says she has a way to send Clover and Alice back in time.

It's not bad enough to instantly make a game terrible. Essentially since the game was hardly based in reality to begin with

>Zero Escape series
>Good ending
pick 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQE25TSZm1A
I want to go back and forget it all

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>>378072739
>prison
>implying anything can remotely control our boy Hongou
>>378072817
999 was at least okay by itself it shouldn't have gotten a sequel though

ZTD makes me sad. So much wasted potential.

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>>378072739
>Don't use 'localize' to talk about things that were localized

I still dont fucking get why Mira would cut off Junpei's head.
That shit was not part of her MO, why the fuck was that implemented other than give a reason to Akane to go on a murder spree.

>>378073191
It's... difficult to boil the reason down to ONE word...

>>378070814
You're retarded

>>378073191
Couldn't the kid have done it after Junpei was murdered? Was it specified she set the puzzle?

>>378072814
It's not. The problem brought up in VLR is sending Clover and Alice back without leaving them stuck in the future and without causing there to be two Clovers and Alices at the same time. Alien fax machine does neither, because it both leaves them behind in the future and creates copies that exist on top of their original selves.

They also say that the method for them to go back to their time is "Schrodinger's cat", which doesn't have anything to do with the time machine. That and the VLR Q&A hinting at Brother having the ability to slip his body through time make it sound like there was some plan besides the alien fax machine originally.

>>378073191
>oh shit I have a escape room idea with these severed human parts!

Such a disappointment considering how great the first two were

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>>378072729
Danganronpa for 999 meets Phoenix Wright
Umineko for Ten Little Niggers:The (120 hours long)kinetic visual novel
Umineko is the better one just thanks to the soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-5pAmoR5AA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVP09lhSPm4
Try to download the original and apply the PS3 patch
I don't suggest checking the Umineko steam page since it has spoiler in the pictures, but if you can't manage to find it and patch it then use this steam patch https://github.com/07th-mod/umineko-question

>>378073429
Scrodinger's cat deals with which body the currently active consciousness of Alice and Clover winds up.

>>378060482
Kunk no. Forced is better than having a fucking ending in my book. Disappointing, not bad.... REALLY disappointing though. I don't know why anyone on this board gives VLR such a fucking free pass. Lel, we're allowed to not have an ending cause play the next game. Don't mean to rustle to many jimmies, but the lot of you are cuckolds, and I mean that in a derogatory sex shaming way.

Is there any fanart of 1900 Phi? I want to see her in roaring 20s fashion.

>>378073573
>kinetic visual novel
>kinetic
wait what
>>378073609
go back to /r/zeroescape

>>378073573
Forgot about Dangan Ronpa, I did play that. I'll check out the other game though. Isn't that a successor to Higurashi? Is that worth a look as well?

>>378073429
>If their consciousness travels with the "fax" they aren't stuck in the future just condenming another them to be stuck in the future.
>There isn't 2 Clovers/Alices at the same time since 1 is essentially removed from the world as they chill in Cryo
>Schrodinger's Cat is whether she wins the consciousness lottery and goes back in time rather than staying on the moon.

>>378073597
How so? They'd always wind up in the fax machine pods. That's how the machine works.

>>378073573
>Danganronpa for 999 meets Phoenix Wright
Stop telling this to people, there's a high chance that people won't like DR because it's only one level below in weebness, behind stuff like Nep and Nekopara.
Only similarity to 999 is that the cast is trapped. You could make more analogies with AA but it's still very different. Also DR1 is bad, but it's kinda worth it just for DR2.

>>378073912
Did you even play the game?

>>378073786
kinetic= no choices, just reading
>>378073801
The ending is pretty bad, but the ride is so wild and unique that it's worth it
Many people prefer it to higurashi, but the anime is so shit it is nowhere near as popular

Remember that Mira didn't have to face up for the crimes she committed

>>378073347
Valued input, I'll make a note of it for future discussions.

>>378060740
The House in Fata Mrogana

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>You will never experience Safe Ending for the first time again

>>378073997
Yeah, I played the game. The machine makes creates a full copy of whoever goes in and sends it to another time. Both versions have the original consciousness, and for the originals, it's like they just went into the machine, then got right back out. That doesn't have anything to do with "Schrodinger's cat" or helping the Clover and Alice that are stuck in the future like we were told.

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>>378074251

>>378073919
>999 premise with Phoenix Wright gameplay
I find no problem with saying it's 999 meets Phoenix Wright.

>it's only one level below in weebness, behind stuff like Nep and Nekopara
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>378074329
>it's like they just went into the machine, then got right back out

If they get shit luck. Otherwise they get out and they're the consciousness in the past/future/wherever. THAT's how the machine works.

For all the shit ZTD gets I think we can all agree that the memes were the best part of the game.
Made the whole experience less dissapointing.

>>378060482
Can we please, as Uchi fans, make it publicly well known to not expect a satisfying, well executed ending going into playing his games? I'm fucking tired of lel meme ending. Endings has ALWAYS been his biggest flaw. He can make these incredibly deep, multifaceted, interconnecting stories. but he doesn't know how to climax, resolve, and conclude. He can throw in a bunch of really interesting ideas, that continuously stack on top of each other. But he has terrible confidence when wrapping things up, in interviews often talking about how he gets so hung up on the endings. It's pretty terrible as a reader cause he gets to ridged, like that afraid that his ideas aren't going to make sense, and he talks down to the audience way to much. Not to say he hasn't written a good ending, 999 was good, not AMAZING or anything, just solid. But like, I feel like if we made this critism more public, hopefully the man will just chill the fuck out.

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I'm struggling to think of two more irresponsible people in any game.

Especially KNOWING what they decided to do was being manipulated and just flat out fucking wrong.

>>378073919
It's P4 social links, plus 999, plus Phoenix Wright. The director is very open about this the further along the series has gone.

>>378074484
>If they get shit luck.
No, the original always stays in the timeline they are in.

>>378070814
>Phi could be Sigma's daughter, which was already foreshadowed in VLR
How?

>>378074386
>What the fuck are you talking about?
You need to be able to stand a certain level of weebshit to try to enjoy DR.
>>378074743
Yeah adding P4 into the mix is better.

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>Oh, silly Zero, making us do puzzles with these COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FAKE body parts!

Uchikoshi, the master of shocking plot twists.

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>>378075106
I wonder if he drinks himself to sleep every night knowing what he's become.

>>378074843
Nothing in specific, but there are a few points of dialogue between Phi and Sigma in VLR that hint at their relationship.

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>>378075270

>>378074873
What the fuck is "weebshit" to you?

How is DR anything like Neptunia or Nekopara?

>>378074220
Isn't that on the 3ds?

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>>378075419
He's talking about the artstyle probably.
>>378075318
Haha yeah because that whole swimsuit thing was pretty father/daughter-like

>>378066879
I fucking hate him for doing this.

>hurr let's change this game to appeal to the western audience even though they already liked the first 2 games

FUCK YOU, if the game is succesful in the western you don't need to change it for them. I hate him, I hate that they think all westerners only like cinematic crap and can't read more than 2 sentences together. Now Zero Escape is forever ruined and the ending of VLR got me the most hype I have ever had in my life.

>>378075391
His self deprecation comes through in his weaker parts of his scripts, being that they don't feel confident.

>>378069375
The lack of budget is because of the cutscenes.

That's why the game copy pasted the soundtrack from VLR. That's why the animations are so shit and that's why even the writing is shit, everything is shit in favor to have cutscenes, something nobody asked in the first place.

>>378075652
It is in japan. It's on PC in America. Read it.

>>378075318
You're reading that out of dialogue between characters that had no idea that they were related. If he really planned on the whole Sigma/Diana/Phi thing then why didn't he make Phi's eyebrows orange in VLR?

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>>378075881
>If he really planned on the whole Sigma/Diana/Phi thing then why didn't he make Phi's eyebrows orange in VLR
Not to be that guy but WHY COULDN'T THEY DATE INSTEAD OF BEING RELATED I'M SO MAD

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>>378074359

>>378075665
Not him, but VLR character dynamics comes across with Sigma parenting more than I wanna be in a platonic frendship, or let's fuck later.

>>378060482
Anon, it was pretty terrible from the start.
>repeat the same sections with 3 teams 3 times in a row
>since the teams aren't connected, the story doesn't advance until much later on
>new character design is NOT as good as the glorious one from 999 and VLR
>graphics look like shit (3DS)
>puzzles are the least engaging in the series

The game is bad from the start. It gets better and it gets worse, it's a ride, but it's a damn disappointing one.

>>378075881
The better question is why did he make her eyebrows orange in ZTD?
I mean sure, Diana's my mom, whatever, but now we've got ZTD Phi somehow losing the pigment in her hair before VLR when she's in cold sleep the whole time.

Also Diana pretty much only exists to be Phi's mom, and I'm pretty sure Luna explains she was modeled after some girl in Sigma's past, so...
I think the D-Team story is probably the least-changed part of ZTD.

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>>378064487
>Is it just me or did they ruin Junpei more than Akane?

Nah, she's fine

>>378075680
Uchi's writing appeals to westerners on it's own, and VLR felt forced because of it. Not increadibly forced, but clearly out of comfort. ZTD feels forced because pacing, the game is like 2 to 5 hours to short.
Also
>hype for and ending that conclude jack shit, and only is a strong promising that he'll get you an actual ending next game?
Dude, take some prozac.

The best part of the series was the moment in VLR where only Sigma and Phi were alive and they explored the facility
Shame this is such an uncommon trope

>>378076662
It wasn't just the eyebrows. They also make her white hair "pink tones, not pure white" which is said in the artist's notes, even though it was set as pure white in VLR. Don't know if it was the new artist's idea or Uchikoshi's, though.

>>378060740
Root double

>>378076662
D team is most unchanged. C team, uchikoshi completely forgot how to write Akane and Junpei, Carlos was probably supposed to be Dio, Old man probably wasn't supposed to be a thing. not sure what to say about Q team, Mira is interesting and the story is a little too thought out around her, so she was probably originally in place. Original rumors were the story was gonna have people betraying each other as an extension off of VLR, in that people would be shifting around constantly to force people into shit situations. Disclaimer on a lot of this cause it's mix of personal observation and some rumors.

>>378077259
>uchikoshi completely forgot how to write Akane and Junpei
Uchi only wrote the outline of the story,the ending and team D

>>378076662
>Diana pretty much only exists to be Phi's mom
She exists as Sigma's love interest and being the one to doom 3/4 of humanity by being irrational.

>I think the D-Team story is probably the least-changed part of ZTD.
I really hope that isn't true, because D-Team's endings are the ones that get worse the more you think about them.

>>378077259
>C team, uchikoshi completely forgot how to write Akane and Junpei
C and Q-Team weren't written by Uchi.

>>378077259
>Mira is interesting
heh

>>378077441
>C and Q-Team weren't written by Uchi.

That explains a lot because those 2 don't make any fucking sense, might as well be different characters.

>>378077259
>D team is most unchanged
>Sigma full retard 24/7. Not a single thin he does makes sense.
>Phi dead all the time
I guess Uchi hates Sigma.

>>378069647
Theres still people who dont realize the Alien fax machine was a forth wall fake out

>>378060482
The meta angle of the ending is fucking amazing though. The ingame ending Less so though.

>>378079649
yeah I totally loved totallyNotASelfInsertForUchikoshi saying "ISN'T THIS THE GOOD ENDING YOU WANTED?"

>>378077441
>C and Q-Team weren't written by Uchi.
I bet he hired writers who hadn't even played his other games

>>378079810
Eh? No im on about the Whole Quantum computer/AFM player angle.

>>378079810
More accurately im on about


999 was to train Junpei and Akane to transmit/receive with the morphogenetic field!

VLR was to train Sigma/Phi/K to SHIFT


ZTD was to train YOU

>>378080231
>ZTD was to train YOU
To do what? Not buy his next game?

>>378077370
>>378077441
Makes sense why C team feels the way it does then. but the rest I'm talking outline, not the full script. Thanks though.
>>378077554
interesting doesn't mean good or well executed.

>>378080340
Yeah if you feel that way, But realistically the whole third game was teaching you how to use the morphogenetic field at its fullest. Heck the AFM did fuck all and it was you who did the copy pasting as you were lead to believe the machine did it! At a further extension you were the quantum computer!

>>378080614
Sure, if that's your canon, go for it.

>>378079810
Character isn't like IT GREAT, as much as a horribly timid, "I made a GREAT ENDING.... i think... right? No wait, I can't ask cause then I'm talking down to you. Eh um. You get it. Maybe I should explain this. no wait, If I get into this I'm just talking down to the player. It's complex. Yeah, the player get's that. Right? Oh I hope they get that. Oh fuck I hope this makes sense. It's okay, it's done now, hopefully they'll like it. this is for the fans, I should be proud that I got to make this. I kinda hate it, but I should keep a strong persona."

>>378078004
The idea to give Junpei a new personality itself was Uchikoshi's, though. He said that Junpei would have been too similar to Carlos or something.

The D team writing was still all over the place, and Uchikoshi still oversaw the whole thing, so I don't think it can be completely blamed on the new writers.

>>378060482
I though this game would help to ease MGS5 disappointement
Made only things worse. At least we got memes

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>>378082969
I don't have any doubt that was the original plan. The hints were too strong for it all to be a coincidence, and we know for sure that Uchikoshi changed a lot of things between the planned ZE3 and ZTD as it ended up being made.

>>378083214
someone post the infographic that got posted in every ze3 hype thread

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>>378083449
this one?

>>378083708
that's the one
fuck I miss those old threads

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>>378083814
same.
what I wouldn't give to go back.

>>378083708
That "Brother is supposed to be old" theory makes no sense considering Brother was 26 when he founded FtS.

>>378083708
The craziest thing is that all the points against Snake being Brother, being born at the wrong time for his old age, having a sister instead of a brother, being a "good guy", and being blind, all just happened to also apply to "Delta."

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>>378083708
What the fuck, it's been almost a year. Fuck. It still feels like I played ZTD yesterday

Did anyone else bust out laughing when they started talking about Phi having a secret? I thought the "secret between her legs" thing was going to turn out true.

>>378082969
>>378083214
As much as that theory is fun, the timeline doesn't work since Snake joins SOIS with Clover after 999, neither of them are even 20 by this point and Free the Soul is already a major threat that is under investigation by SOIS.

So it's already infeasible for him to be Brother, but then he also joins a counter-terrorism team targeting Brother.

Thanks for reminding I still have to play this. I missed all the hype threads though.

I was hyped as fuck before the game got released. When all those early reviews started praising the game I was really expecting a nice story and plot twists. All I got was MIND HACK and COMPLEX MOTIVES.
Not even MGS V left me with so much dissapointment.

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>>378084887
>one of the best games ever
>9/10
>best conclusion to a series
I learned not to trust reviews ever again from that

I loved 999, but dropped VLR halfway through. Did I do the right thing?

>>378084681
That's where some crazy time stuff would come in. I mean, by ZTD's story pulled, he wasn't even born yet when Free the Soul was already a major threat.

>>378085030
Yes.

>>378085030
No. VLR > 999

anyone else did that route with junpei's head first? I was really expecting some gory and dark shit to happen after that, until I realized that I had already seen the only puzzle like that.

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>COMPLEX
>Alien nazi time machines
>A decision game that revolves around deciding to press a button that nukes the entire fucking facility, AFTER the puzzle in the room has already been solved and the doors unlocked
>Retcons, dropped plotlines, missing characters
>Terrible animations
>Shitty puzzles
They did just about everything they possibly could wrong.
But I still enjoyed it. It was like the perfect B movie. So bad it was good. I couldn't help but laugh at it.

I think my favorite part of the game has to be after betraying Junpei at the AB game when Carlos starts thinking about how he's been avoiding death just to get beat up by psycho Akane

how has this not been posted yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4N6GJBApdk

>>378085140
How often is it that a trilogy is 2>1>3

>>378085178
>animators so fucking bad that they had to remove junpei's leather jacket because they couldn't get it to work

>>378085030
You won't get a straight answer on this. There's no consensus on which one's better between 999 and VLR or whether or not it's worth playing VLR with all its loose ends knowing that there's no real conclusion for them.

>>378060482
At least we got some damn good memes out of it

>There is a theory that the snail was intentionally placed on the road by a radical terrorist of an organization which plans to kill 8,000,000,000 humans. It is possible this terrorist was another esper who had the ability to SHIFT and/or Mind Hack with complex motives, who could foresee the future(s) this snail would bring.

I don't know if I should take the ZE wiki seriously

>>378085267
That's how a lot of people rank the original Star Wars trilogy.

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SIX

At least ZTD gave us the best meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU

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>>378085489
>I don't know if I should take the ZE wiki seriously

What would you change to make the story better?

>>378085873
Make Sigma the main protagonist again. Sorry Carlos

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>>378069583

Y'know I don't really think they did enough justice to just how much a cut like that would fucking hurt.

Nigger was moving his eyes all over the place

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>>378085873
Instead of having it jump around between protagonists all the time, just have one.
Better animations.
Better graphics.
Rewrite all the characters, no bitchy Akane, give Sigma's old look back.
I could write a fucking book.

>>378086513
I never understood something, wasn't ZTD Akane supposed to be the old Akane in her younger body or the cold, mastermind Akane? Why did she acted like an emo teenager in love denial the entire game?
And why make Junpei such an annoying, edgy fag?

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>>378071871
>any project with producers gets stifled, never reaches its full potential and has pointless changes to pander to a larger market
>any project without producers has the creators go full retard and make something that doesn't reach the heights of the previous projects
There's no winning is there? This game was rigged from the start.

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>>378086923
Uchikoshi is a complex human being.

>>378086923
I'm pretty sure it was just supposed to be Sigma. The Akane is ZTD is mostly still bubbly June, who hasn't interacted enough with the future yet to become the jaded monster she was in VLR.

>>378086923
Did you read the short story in the artbook?

>>378086923
I'm pretty sure Uchikoshi said at some point that he gave Junpei a new personality because there were "too many heroic personalities" around him or something. I don't remember where that quote was, though.

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>>378085206
>when Gab crawls into the vent he just goes in and sleeps on a little bed until he hears people again
Gab is a good dog.

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OH FUCK a ZTD thread?


>>378083708
I only beat the games a few weeks ago with the only spoiler I had being that ZTD dropped the ball hard, seeing all these theories and shit is still amazing

I fucking loved that game

>>378087995
If Gab is so good why did Delta shoot him?

>>378087054
Honestly, I think in these cases, the producer usually knows what they're doing. And in Zero Escape's case, it somehow got way worse about the "pointless changes to pander to a larger market" thing after switching to the hands-off producer.

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>>378088702

I liked the game but I don't understand why everyone was so fucking retarded especially junpei

>>378088716
Well in the case of VLR the producers told Uchi to tone down the violence, and to remove Dio raping Clover. I'm sure there are some other changes too, but I just think there's good and bad for having a producer or not. I suppose in the end it depends on how much of a shitter the main creator(s) are.

999 >>> ZTD > VLR

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>>378089575

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>>378089575

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>>378089575
>ZTD above anything

What was the worst thing about it

>>378064657
>(You) are the mastermind
I always had this possibility in the back of my mind ever since i played 999 and especially in ZTD when the characters went "I didn't press that"

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>>378089972
no Newscaster

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>>378090057
Are you in every thread?

>>378090351
I try to be.

>>378090351
We're here forever until the stream finishes. Just kidding I'll still be here after that.

>>378089972
Remember all those plot points from 999 and VLR.

Well Uchi didn't.

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>>378090351
Thanks for reminding me that he made another end not canon. Holy shit.

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>>378089575

>That's Alice. The Ice-9 melted, and she's in the desert. Alice's ice melted in a time prior to nine years ago. Lord Gordain purchased the Gigantic around 1920, and Ace subsequently opened the coffin nine years before the events of the story, so she must have broken out in the interim. I presume Alice breaks out just before Ace opens the coffin - about several months to a week before - and I suppose she learned about hitchhiking culture in the nine years since then.
I wonder if Uchi had abandoned this by the time of VLR or if he had planned to do some amazing twist in the third game before ZTD became ZTD

>>378090876
And he's still trying to act like the plot points raised in it were never meant to be taken literally and that he meant Kyle was supposed to go to 2028 in real life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D97gwGlMFE

Man remember pre-release threads? This video is perfect for them.

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>lamo you guys we don't have to play the AB Game, let's just kill each other and jump to another timeline, who the fuck cares about D team or our other selves from the other timeline who will die in our place

>b-b-but killing our other selves from other timelines only to save ourselves is JUST wrong

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>>378086513
Make it a visual novel and not cinematics
Include Snake :(
Delete all the new characters who were literal plot devices
I miss VLR Sigma too.
>>378088653
It Hurts

>>378091198
Source? I'm about to be even angrier than I already am

>>378091612
Japanese interview from before VLR was made.

http://www.sceneryrecalled.com/trans/999int.htm

>>378091943
>>378092139
Thank you anon I feel better about being born a shitter now

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>>378091919
>--There are doubts as to whether Clover’s wearing underwear...?

>Uchikoshi: I think she probably doesn’t wear any (laughs). Because her brother forbids her to, you see. It’s a special custom in their household, so actually, Snake doesn’t wear any, either (laughs).

WEW

And regarding that Famitsu scan with Snake's open eyes, I wonder if it's this image or some other one?

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>>378092343
>Snake doesn’t wear any, either
>tfw he didn't have pants on when wearing the robe
double wew

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>>378092343
>Snake invited Junpei to bed while not wearing underwear

>>378092593
That means that Santa and/or Akane saw him naked when they changed his clothes

>>378073573
Don't send him through that rabbit hole. Fuck drv3 ending.

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>>378092593
I'm so excited for this anime.

>>378092892
So this... THIS... is the power of pre-ZTD Uchi.......... whoa
>>378093116
Same, my dude.

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>>378093116
>the success of popteamepic means that bkub won't work on Charm anymore
I mean I'm happy for him and all, but I can't help but feel a bit sad.

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>>378093467
Poptepipic has surpassed Charm in quality and enjoyable-ness, even if Chen is really cute.

>>378092598
Snake knows everyone wants him

>>378091352
Hey that shit gave us the best Carlos moments so I ain't complaining

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>>378093642
I like them for different reasons. Charm actually had little stories rather than just mostly unrelated 4 koma, and I feel like Popteamepic jokes can sometimes just be out there, more so than bkub's other series. But hey, that's just the way things go so we should enjoy what we have.

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>>378094506
Yea, you've got a point, the benefit to Charm is that it's at least always understandable.

>alice and clover hint that they're gonna schrodinger's cat their way into ZTD
>don't even get mentioned or a reference in ZTD

One plot point I'm happy they forgot

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>>378095471
>VLR Clover and Alice spend all that time talking about how they were plotting to raid FtS' HQ before they were kidnapped and thrown in the Nonary Game
>Junpei and Seven just casually blow it the fuck out offscreen

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>>378060482
Read Root Double

>>378064657
QUARK
WHERES QUARK

>>378095471
Honestly maybe that's the joke, ZTD was the box and until we opened it it was the greatest thing ever.
But we opened the fucking box and the cat was half rotted.

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>>378096008

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>>378096008
This makes me really sad for some reason

What was the best ZTD ending and why was it the one that led to VLR?

>>378084287
And it still sucks as badly as it did a year ago

>>378096336
>not MAMA

>>378096336
Best ending but best scene was the incinerator.
Every after it was fucked but Diana breaking down while Sigma is screaming to save Phi really got me

>>378096336
The best ending was when Carlos guessed the coin flip correctly and they all went home so they didn't have to waste their time with stupid alien fax machines. Wish I could say the same.

>>378096745
And then they got fucking killed by themselves

>>378096336
>not PUSHING THE BUTTON
Honestly, I feel like the other endings in ZE games are mostly lackluster. 999 had the true, safe, and axe ending which were all great with the sub ending being interesting and the knife ending being eh. Meanwhile in VLR I can only recall 2 good endings besides the true endings, Luna's and Dio's. And for ZTD, jokes aside I didn't really like any of those endings. VLR ending, Delta killing everyone except Diana, Q suiciding/living in the simulation, the true ending, all of them left me feeling confused, upset or unsatisfied.

>>378096336
Because of
>>378085267


We did not deserve the glory that is Carlos

>>378096883
>Meanwhile in VLR I can only recall 2 good endings
JUST SHUT UP AND DIE! YOU SENILE OLD FUCK!

>>378096883
>in summary, they were mostly shit

>>378097010
That moment was great, but didn't that all just end with Alice succumbing to Radical-9? My memory's pretty rusty so I could be forgetting a bunch.

>>378097402
Yeah, it did. Right after Sigma contemplated his space harem.

>>378096883
No joke I went along with the ride whole hog and actually almost pressed it out of sheer curiosity

Honestly playing this game drunk with a few other people is probably the optimal way to experience this game

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>>378097516
>Honestly playing this game drunk with a few other people is probably the optimal way to experience this game
That sounds like a very normalfag experience.

>>378097772
I don't think anything relating to ZTD could be termed "normalfag".
I mean considering everyone there would have to have played 999 and VLR.

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>>378060740
Umineko no naku koro ni

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post Phi

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>>378099150
Can we also post Carlos?

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>>378099337
Of course.

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>>378099470
>saving thumbnails

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>>378099435
He's my favourite
>>378099578
I never even realised, fuck

>>378060482
>FFXV
>ZTD
>DR anime
>Root Letter
>Steins;Gate 0
2016 was a year full of disappointments. ZTD was the biggest offender though, closely followed by FFXV.
>junpei and akane shoehorned in
>sigma is nowhere near as intelligent as he should be
The guy built a fucking cyborg, a clone, and a colony on the moon!
>sigma by default is not as funny or interesting as he was in VLR
>junpei is a massive asshole with little reason for being one
>deaths have little impact
>decisions are meaningless and tedious
>plot is a dick slap to 999 and VLR
>several unanswered questions
>no epilogue for sigma
>phi and sigma ship is sunk in the worst way
>collectors watches were a disaster
>traditional VN style is replaced by a godawful cinematic style
>ends on another damn cliffhanger
To hell with this catastrophe. ZTD honestly makes me wish it had stayed in hiatus forever.

>>378099874
>>Steins;Gate 0
fuck off retard

>>378060482
Yo, whatever happened to Santa?

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>>378099930
Not the guy you responded to but you seriously saying S;G 0 wasn't fucked?
Half the story beats were awkward as fuck, the pacing was all over the place, major plot characters had literally no other characterisation other than their relation or similarity to Kurisu and there were more than a couple dumb looking CG's.

There was only so much that Punished Okabe could do for that game as much as I loved it.

>>378099930
To each their own opinion, personally I found it more convoluted and far less engaging than the former title.

Not to mention they missed a fantastic opportunity to dig the knife. Okabe is talking to a virtual version of his waifu, it would only make sense he'd get too attached and have a mental breakdown trying to come back to the reality that she isn't real and he's a failure.

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>>378099874
Honestly, it was the Silent Hill 4 of Zero Escape.
>>378099941
The same thing that happened to Ace, Snake, Clover, Alice and Kyle.

>>378100169
I'll also add that I enjoyed the novel but it's not hard to see why someone would hate it, it was always going to stand in the shadow of the original.

>>378100169
>major characters
I felt lied to with natsumi's character. I thought she was going to be a more integral part of the story since you play from her perspective at one point early in the game, but she gets left in the dust. They didn't even explain how she saw all those visions of mayuri dying in the alpha worldline. Those were literally Okabe's memories.

>>378100418
Jesus I had forgotten about all that shit.
They set that up and then lead it to absolutely fuck all except one mention in a timeline that never happened.

>>378099941
>>378100325
>seven still doesn't have a legitimate name
Come on Uchi at least give us that much... But yeah, it's kinda shitty that all of his former characters don't get any sort of closer. Especially snake, I thought he was going somewhere with him when clover mentioned he was getting attention from some shady characters. Hell I honestly believed one anon that thought he was brother.

>>378100592
I know, the worst part is that it's happened in a couple games I've played. The writers set up things early on to go in one direction and then don't follow up on it, explain it, or even bother to cut it out to avoid confusion.

>>378100658
What bothered me was that 999 implied 7 had set up the Schrodinger's cat situation by not remembering if the girl had died and seemed to imply that he was the mastermind or a main part of the whole plan.
Then got fucking dropped alongside Snake and Santa.

But then at least Santa got a fucking reference.
I just want to hear Snake's voice again

>>378100169
>>378100179
its okay if you dont like it or if you think its worse than the original because the game does have issues, but dont group it with ZTD, DR3 and RL

>>378100858
It's on the same tier of absolute clusterfuck though.
Or did you forget the random action movie sequence on the rooftop.

>>378100835
>I just want to hear Snake's voice again
But anon, 999 wasn't voiced. I mean, you did play it on DS, right?

>>378100939
i dont even know what to tell you if you didnt like that part

>>378101035
Nope

I know, I used the VN mode and switched back and forth a lot but I know I lost a lot of the impact with the revelation about who the screens represent

>>378100939
God that was messy, especially the idea that in some timelines kagari is yuki and in others kagari is her usual self.

>>378100858
Don't forget FFXV and fine I'll meet you partway and say that the above are godtier disappointments and 0 is a tier below that.

>>378101224
Meh. Remake or original, a good story is still a good story.

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>>378101047
Probably because its a sci-fi story and not some Hollywood B-movie.
I mean re-read that shit

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>>378070939
>tfw every fucking time I think I'm going to just forget about the game and not be mad about it anymore, something pops up to fuel my anger for another 1000 years

>>378101341
i assume you also shit on safe end daily then
>>378101336
whats so hard to get? events on some worldlines affect others and create branches. also dont spoil on an unrelated thread

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>>378101504
ZTD is a gift we won't see the likes of for a long time

>>378070939
>he had that godawful ending prepared ahead of time
I can't deal with that. That's about as bad as Tabata recently stating that Cor was supposed to be a permanent party member.

>>378070939
This would be horrifying if it wasn't so funny.

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>>378064657
>tfw the player actually being Brother and manipulating shit across multiple timelines through the morphogenetic field would have been a better plot twist than offscreen old man/ayy lmaos/MINDHACC

>>378101585
It tripped me out when it seemed like the true ending lead up from the milky way ending, one where she was yuki. Like weren't you dead?

I could bitch about disappointing games all night, but it's late as hell where I am. I'm gonna jack off and go to sleep, later.

>>378060482
By itself I think the ending is fine but as a conclusion to the series it's pretty weak. Also VLR's ending, despite ultimately being a cliffhanger, was incredibly comprehensive, ZTD can't even remotely compete with it.

I wish Uchi would finally do a Q&A so I can confirm whether Akane was working with Delta, it makes too much sense.

>>378101672
No he had the general plot written out ahead of time, but changed the ending to surprise himself so he wouldn't get bored, which is something I just can't fucking understand. Fuck you uchi you fucking hack we didn't need 3D cutscenes or the removal of the VN elements, or constantly jumping around in time even though when the events happen has no relevance to anything, you should've put those resources into making this shit good.

>>378101585
999 opened with a guy getting blown apart and walking through the gore.
There's hardly a comparison, if you enjoyed it then that's fine, just accept that 0 was deeply fucking flawed and poorly written.

If you are okay with the MINDHACK Kagari/Yuki shit then holy fuck man you have no business insulting ZTD in the slightest

>>378102095
He won't do it because he knows he dropped the ball and doesn't want to confront that fact.

>>378101970
Yeah they fucked up with mwc and forgot to say that happens in a different timeline, its mentioned in some book but who the fuck reads that

>>378102178
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I can't understand that "creative process" at all. Glad he didn't use that approach with VLR and fuck it up too. Hell with a 4 year gap between game, god only knows how much it changed.

>>378102361
I think it's a drama CD on youtube, I still haven't listened to the whole thing. But just like Kingsglaive and FFXV or layton vs wright, if you have to explain shit outside of the game you did something wrong.

https://twitter.com/Uchikoshi_Eng/status/753842772595970049
When is the time for answers?

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How in the fuck does this steaming pile of shit have so many positive reviews on Steam? Did those fags even play or like the first two? Everything about the game is so inane and fucking retarded the only way to even enjoy it is to treat it like a fucking B-movie for all the stupid shit every character does.

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>>378102878
11 years from now.

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>>378102878
Fucking hell, that brings me back to last year. I took time off from work specifically to fucking play ZTD. I basically did nothing but play it for an entire three day weekend. The amount of disappointment I felt will never be fucking topped. Not even MGSV left that bad of a taste in my mouth.

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Does anyone have any nice pictures of Snake? I have a hole in my heart to fill.

>>378103143
>Tfw MGS5 followed by ZTD
It's been a bad few years for vidya.

>>378102898
Probably did, its how I managed to enjoy it.
If you treat it like you would Evil Dead it works really well.

Granted I had went in knowing that it was a clusterfuck

>>378102878
>does a Q&A for 999 and VLR
>still hasn't done one for ZTD
It's almost as if he's trying to forget about this game and move past it himself.

>>378102971
I worry this is correlated to PSYNC, I don't want it to be. I want nothing more to do with Zero Escape, I want him to try again with a new IP. I really don't want him to become yamada yoshinobu. A former good writer who now produces shit.

>>378102898
Delusional tards with no tastes that simply accept a game at face value. These are the same people that say FFXV is one of the best in the series.

>>378102189
ok thanks for your insight now i know youre just dumb

>>378103143
You know why it was so disappointing? Because MGSV was a case of Konami breathing down Kojima's neck to the point where he left the company as it was about to release, it wasn't able to reach its full potential. But ZTD? Uchi had everything he wanted, but it still turned out the way it did. And he seems to think that's it's a satisfying ending to boot.

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>>378102898
The thing that doesn't make sense is that even if they didn't play the first two games, there is still no logical way to enjoy ZTD. The graphics are bad, the voices are bad, the plot is cheap and shitty.
>>378102971
>Being so devastatingly buttblasted you have to pull an excuse out of your ass to postpone answering questions
Remember, at least you're not Kotaro Uchikoshi

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So what about Uchi's next game? Is anyone here going to play that? Even if it's just for making meme-y threads?

>>378103865
If Shinji Hosoe's still doing the music, I'll definitely take a look at it.

>>378103865
I'll give it a yohoho maybe. I'm not giving that bastard any more money. I will never have those $40 and 23 hours of my life back.

Stuck and missing 2 endings
What am I supposed to do?

>>378102971
Aw fuck, pulling a twin peaks on our ass.

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>>378103865
Probably, I've got a lot of enjoyment out ZTD after finishing it with these threads but I don't anything will ever be on that level again.

Anyone got that image of offscreen delta's?

>>378103865
ZTD itself and Uchikoshi's attitude and dishonesty about the whole thing have seriously turned me off from supporting any project of his in the future. I just don't feel like he can be trusted any more with what he did to the fans.

I'm looking to Culdcept Revolt for my Zero Escape feelings next.

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>>378105279
>Look up Culdcept Revolt
>See the artist
I'm interested
Why did they change the fucking artist for ZTD? As soon as I saw the new art I knew the game was going to be bad

>>378060482
Wouldve been better if they kept this gritty artstyle and didnt go back to anime crap

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Just finished ZTD, luckily there's a thread up.

How the fuck was I supposed to guess this?

>>378105759
To disassociate it from the other games in the series and appeal to Americans. And something about the new artist being more "impactful" and "philosophical." He said some pretentious-sounding stuff about being like a chef who chooses wines depending on the meal.

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>>378106006
The amount of fucking theories I came up with during the game just for Sean to point at the camera.
I'd be angry but it was just so mind-blowingly fucking dumb and after all that shit with Carlos I couldn't stop laughing

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>>378106286
>fans like the series for what it is
>completely change up the formula for no reason
Classic Uchi.
So when's that Q&A coming out?

>>378106006
>how the fuck was I supposed to guess this?
When you typed Q's name in that one scene and it didnt work

>>378106475
There isn't going to be one. There aren't any answers.

>>378073780
Why creating new unnecessary needs

>>378106441
I maybe could have gotten there before the reveal but both the scene with Carlos getting Mind Hacked into pressing the button and Eric getting Mind Hacked into shooting either aren't required to get to that point or happen after the reveal.

>>378106553
That could have just as easily been Sean, Phi, or Quark. The only reason I can see I would've had reason to doubt he was Q was that no one ever called him Q, but with memory erasing drugs happening every 90 minutes I didn't have any real reason to guess that.

>>378106730
I meant the shit with Carlos jumping through time and the VLR ending with Carlos screwing humanity so he could meet Junpei and Akane, most of that happens prior to the reveal.

>>378106730
You can apparently see Delta's shadow in a few scenes, basically he's always just offscreen.
There's a great image around that I forgot to save about that.

>>378080614
Nice metafiction you got there

The new artsyle was already a red sign in itself but when he talked about a "cinematic experience" I knew all along that it would be a disaster
Uchikoshi is a hack