>If you don't like it, just don't buy it! The entire

>The entire game is built around cosmetics

How can you be this stupid?

>>378052402
>the bulk of the profits don't come from loot boxes
You're fucking retarded

>'you don't have to buy it'
I mean, you literally don't, even after you put quotation marks around it.

>>378052170
Now the Battleborn marketing could be god tier.

Why is Randy so retarded to not use this situation?

How Battleborn should be marketed now:
>Look at Overwatch, or should I say Overpriced?
>Why play a game which locks his skins behind time exclusive events? Battleborn doesn't lock any skin out.
>Why do you have to pay the same amount of money for only 50 loot boxes than for the whole game?
>Why is Blizzard increasing the costs of the TIME EXCLUSIVE SKINS to 300 % of the other legendary?

Now Battleborn should go in hard.
>Battleborn is now F2P for the PvP mode
>using VAC as anti cheat
>add 3 god tier skins to all waifus
>adds a payload mode with 3 maps
>make a PvP mode with auto aim where only team work counts
>make a ranked system without elo hell
You progress but you get matched with people who are at your skill level. This means even if your rank is like 5k the real rank is hidden to encourage you play ranked.

This is the change of Randy to give Overwatch the new name Overpriced and Make Battleborn Great Again! If Randy fucks this up it's his fault.

Overwatch is literally like JEB! now. It is so low energy and so Overprived that Battleborn could get the push it needs... But to be real, Rand is not Trump so he will fuck this golden moment up.


>>378052402
Are you retarded? The only reason to play Overwatch is for the skins. I want some of the Overwatch skins but 3000? Are you kidding me? The skins are Overpriced, the loot boxes are Overpriced. the game is Overpriced. Oh and guess the drop rate of the skins. If you have a life you will get ZERO!

Then how come I've never bought one? Do I have some sort of self restraint superpowers?

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>>378052402
>pretending a business is not interested in persuading its customers to pay more money through microtransactions.

Sounds like someone has never heard of a business model.

>>378052656
>Why is Randy so retarded to not use this situation?
Because Battleborn is even more jewish with microtransactions, you have to grind for actual characters unless you pay and it has a season pass.

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>>378052847

You can't criticize a Business!

>>378052991
This motherfucking episode basically translated nowadays industry, how in the name of the hell nobody takes this seriously?

genji and zarya are the only must have skins, maybe lucio's too
everything else is either dogshit or outclassed by other skins

>>378052170

>the entire game is built around cosmetics

you've obviously never played it

I have every skin I've ever wanted from the game and I haven't spent a penny since buying it. I don't even play that much

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>>378052991
Of course you can you fucking commie. Just don't expect to be taken seriously.

>>378053230
As long as other people are gargling the same shit they are some are more than happy to defend their shit gargling.

>>378053314
>criticizing a business is communist

>>378052656
I forgot to add for the Blizzshills that the skins are still Overpriced even if you shill hard including this one "EVERYONE I DON'T LIKE IS RANDY" shill (Go back to your safe space).

And even the Blizzdrones should be happy because Overwatch would be forced to reduce the prices if Battleborn goes in hard. It's a win win situation.

Friendly reminder TF2 shits all over overwatch and its better in every possible way.
From mechanics to even the shittiest of hats.
Only Blizzard shills will defend this trainwreck of a casualized game with no content and tumblr pandering.

>>378053230
>I have every skin I've ever wanted from the game and I haven't spent a penny since buying it

I only wanted one skin too.

>>378053230
Yeah, I bet you have the most common skins. Congratulations, you look like the average causal scrub when playing the game. I don't even play a character if I don't have one of the better skins with them, and most good players I know do the same.
The fact is that you need to spend hundreds of dollars playing the shitty slot machine to get a skin so you can finally play your favorite character like a pro. And then it starts again a few months later when a better skin is released. This kind of business practice should be literally illegal.

>>378053517
TF2 is a game for actual children and manchildren. If you're out of high school and you still play it's pathetic (and means you're likely a brony/furry). TF2 is meant to be a stepping stone towards playing other better games, not something to be idolized.

>>378053430
Weren't you aware of American way of thinking?

>>378053430
>reading comprehension

>>378052170
>entire game is built around vanity items
Lol? How sad is your game and/or life?

>>378053606
Sorry to burst your bubble but the majority of Americans aren't ancap twats.

>>378052170
Is the legality of purchasable random content not questionable? Especially for something rated T rather than M. You are paying money to gamble for better rewards, many of the people doing it are kids.

>>378052170
You've got a point.

>>378053517
TF2 is a mess these days unfortunately, old TF2 I would definitely agree.

>>378053648
So now we're going to pretend he wasn't called a commie for criticizing microtransactions?
>hurr durr reading comrpehsnion u can't read I win

>>378053604
What other better multiplayer games are there?

>>378053713
No. If kids are purchasing these lootboxes they are either (a) doing it with the express or implied permission of their parents or (b) they are stealing their parents' credit cards. ActiBlizzard is in the clear regardless.

>>378053797
Literally all of them.

I got Overwatch for free since my flatmates and I share a PS4, chipped in 8 quid for lootboxes over the last 8 months and I still feel ripped off when
Plus the only fun character is Winston

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>>378052170

I love playing overwatch, but that is honestly a very valid point.

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>>378053604

>one of the most fun multiplayer class based games
>attracts a certain crowd you don't like
>TF2 IS SHIT AND UR A KID FOR LIKING IT LOL

>>378053790
He was called a commie because he said "You can't criticize a Business!".

>>378054027
Well you can't, because only a communist would do that.

>>378054027
And his image was referring to the freemium business model, the topic of the discussion. But go ahead and pretend he wasn't called a commie for criticizing it

>>378053130
Because almost nobody outside a tiny minority of forum posters takes video games seriously IRL.
When your average joe pays buys into microtransactions they're not thinking about how it's supporting a bad precedent for future games to follow, their thought proccess is simply "I want this digital item, and I can afford it". And because the profit margins on microtransactions/DLC is so slim, you don't need anywhere close to the majority of players to buy into it in order to make a profit.

Of course you can criticize it, just don't expect to be taken seriously. You fucking commie

>>378053870
No not really. Closest thing is l4d2 for a similar experience

>>378054447
l4d2 isn't anywhere even close to similar to either TF2 or Overwatch. Your taste is fucking garbage.

I have not bought even one box for this game yet i have every unlockable including every event unlockable for my favorite character and at least 1 legendary for every other character. If it is supposed to bait me into buying loot crates it not doing a very good job.

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Why do people shit on Overwatch while talking up TF2 as if Mannconomy and bullshit keys didn't exist? The summer, Halloween, etc. boxes that TF2 has drop for you but can't be fucking opened without spending real money on a key are worse because at least when I get a box of shit in Overwatch I can open it.

Why you would complain about not getting everything is autistic as fuck because a.) it's a cosmetic, not a game breaking item, it's not like TF2 where they had that stupid shit where the hat was part of a set that gave a bonus and b.) am I to assume that whoever is complaining actually plays all 11 of those characters and actually will use all of those? It reeks of the autism of the faggots who just trade shit in TF2 to collect hats they'll never use on characters they'll never play instead of playing the fucking game.

Maybe I just don't get it because after 10 years of TF2 and 1 of Overwatch I never felt the need to spend time playing dress up with hats and skins on a character on a character I can't see. I have around 500 hours on scout and I used the default loadout for 98% of that time. I found it rather egregious that I paid full price for the Orange Box and then they did that F2P money grab. Robin Walker wrote it off as Valve needing money because they still produced content for the game when 95% of the maps and content that was added was created by the community.

>>378054614
post proof because I'm pretty sure no one has gotten all the unlockables

>>378054539
Well from what I want in multiplayer game it is. Splatoon is probably similar

>>378054801
You're beyond stupid.

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>>378054752
Waiting till the last day to unlock the ones for this event, but i have more than enough currency to buy 1 spray and a voice line.

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>skins in a fps

>>378052170
If they just made these skins available outside of timed events and made gold purchasable, I'd be fine with it. HotS does it well, it's pretty dumb that a F2P game does skins and microtransactions better than a full priced retail game.

>>378054849
No u are

>>378054942
You're missing more than half of the unlockables for everyone other than Genji

>>378055042
>no u
Splatoon isn't even an FPS. Fuck off retard.

>>378055058
> i have every unlockable including every event unlockable for my favorite character
I said for my favourite character not every character

>>378053571

lol god could u imagine if there were people this wacko out there?

>>378052889
which was piss-easy and has been changed for months, keep up.

>>378055158
Neither is tf2

>>378055218
Thanks for admitting you're retarded.

Yo isn't that just fucking Kamen rider

>>378054008

The original comment was litereally

>OVERWATCH IS SHIT AND UR A SHILL IF U LIKE IT

>>378053571
I really cant tell if this is bait

>>378054614

>I have every unlockable
>I have at least 1 legendary for each character

Wouldn't you have every legendary for every character if you had every unlockable?

As much as Jim Sterling sucks ass he was right on the money when it comes to this
https://youtu.be/_OyhTKX7i4I
https://youtu.be/LWTsJZD3YFQ

>>378054972
But HotS is even worse, not only does it have 3 different currencies but it uses an even worse loot box system with different rarities and dupes don't give you nearly as much credit to buy cosmetics you actually compared to OW. This is all on top of having to grind for characters unless you want to pay out real money for them.

>>378055318
The skin's name is literally "Sentai"

>>378055267
You're the dumb one never refuting anything I say and just insulting me with ad hominem . Tf2 is team based multiplayer so is splatoon and l4d2. If there was a better game then tf2 it wouldn't still be played like it is

>>378052402
It is. That's why it's such a casual shitfest

>>378054614
>i have every unlockable including every event unlockable for my favorite character
Keyword is favourite character

>>378054648
Most of the people are just out to shitfling and never played TF2 in the first place. I wasted half of my youth on TF2 and loved the game to death, these shitfinging faggots probably aren't even aware of Mannconomy or the entire clusterfuck of a patch history that this game has.

I was fine with letting in F2Ps because the game could use the injection of fresh players at the time, but the justification was dumb horseshit. The TF2 time is quite literally three assholes in a closet that are butthurt because they got shut out of the VR circlejerk. The overhead is probably less than your given shitty mobile game hack studio.

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I do think it is morally questionable to use gambling tactics to take advantage of people who may not even be old enough to legally gamble. I feel like this would probably be illegal of loot boxes gave you something that actually had value rather than a digital item. It also bothers me that people are willing to pay multiple times the price of the original game for a fraction of the content. Lowering consumer standards hurts everyone and these things generally only go in one direct. Last, I would also like to point out that in most cases the original skins look better than the new ones. I don't like that people are willing to wear something ugly just because it is rare.

>>378055640
>I have every unlockable including . . .

That means you claimed to have every unlockable idiot.

You should do this until you get a hang for the English language:

http://www.wikihow.com/Diagram-Sentences

>>378052170
i have never had a desire to possess any of the cosmetics in this game

>>378055612
You compared team based FPS to a co-op zombie survival FPS and a third person shooter with paint mechanics. Why do you think you deserve a serious refutation?
Calling you retarded isn't an ad hominem, it's an observable fact.

>>378055836
>I feel like this would probably be illegal of loot boxes gave you something that actually had value rather than a digital item.

I disagree. I do not think it is any different than going to an arcade and playing the games that have a chance to give you tickets that you can then use to purchase overpriced crap.

>>378052841
Because you haven't hit the skill ceiling yet. Trust me you will very very soon and once you do you literally will have nothing to keep playing the game for outside of loot.

>>378055612
You literally denied TF2 is a FPS

>>378056039
It's not in the traditional sense. Do you call quake and unreal arena shooters or fps?
>>378055954
4 person team against another team. Splatoon has team based gameplay too

>>378055193
Keep up with what? Nobody plays Battleborn anymore and the game has an objectively worse microtransaction model than Overwatch

>>378056250
What about TF2, Quake, or "Unreal arena shooters" makes them not first person shooters?

>>378056250
>It's not in the traditional sense.
Yes it is?
>Do you call quake and unreal arena shooters or fps?
Both. Are you really this stupid?

>>378052402
>shit maps
>shit balance
>shit updates
>shit matchmaking
>shit community
>not build around cosmetics
> ????

>>378056005
Arcades and carnival games differentiate themselves from gambling because they are considered a game of skill even if that is debatable in some cases. This is simply paying for a random chance to get something.

>>378056332
Gameplay not based on realism.

>>378056250
TF2 isn't 4v4. And "Team based" isn't a genre. I don't know where you're going with this, it's just getting embarrassing now

>>378054648
Because Valve allows you to trade TF2 items and directly purchase them, while Oveewatch inventory can only be obtained from the Blizzard casino and if you don't have the requisite luck during the event window then that item is lost forever.

>>378055846
The correct structure for that sentece should have been "I have every unlockable for my favourite character including the event unlockables," am i right?

>>378056250
FPS literally stands for "First person SHOOTER"

>>378056458
Realism has nothing to do with the term.

Seriously you're a moron.

>>378056483
I'm talking about l4d2 and the type of game I like subjectively

>>378056667
l4d2 and splatoon play nothing alike
one is a co-op game where the objective is to survive zombie hordes with a offshoot mode where humans can stand in for the boss zombies
the other is a third person competative game where the objective is to paint as much of the map for your team.
your subjective preferences doesn't make these games similar in any way.

>>378056667
>>378056880
also we were talking about TF2, you brought up l4d2 out of nowhere even though it's not even a comparable game.

>>378056458
>DOOM, the game that singlehandedly made first person shooters a genre, isn't an FPS
It's like you're TRYING to be retarded at this point.

>>378056029
spoken like a true retard who's never played a competitive match in his life

>>378056458
By your logic none of these games are first person shooters, including Overwatch.

>>378052402
the average player is spending 100+ dollars on boxes, they've blown the season pass model out of the water

>>378052170
Overwatch reminds me of a mobile shit game with micro transactions. The game itself has no redeeming qualities and is boring as fuck. The community is your typical battle.net fuckery. I don't understand how Blizzard is still in business any more. The last several games they've released have been gigantic commercial flops for them.

>>378056667
Im talking about games that make you rely on teammates unlike fps where its team deathmatch and you really don't effect your team much

>Hey Blizzard, think you could uh, add content or fix shit?
>Uh... um... here's your skins? Well, I mean, you can pay me for the lottery ticket CHANCE to get these skins.

>tfw remember playing beta
>got bored after 4 HOURSSS

>>378057216
>just added 2 new maps
>but they're shit maps they don't count!


fuck off retard

>>378057131
Yea by modern industry standards where games like prey aren't called fps but immersive Sims

>>378057337
they are not in the quick play or ranked rotation.
and its not balanced since the game mode is Arena and Overwatch its not made for 1v1 or 3v3 at all.
Idiot.

>>378057439
But Prey is FPS by modern industry standards.

>>378057523
There are so many types of fps they are being divided into genres are you blizzdrones to retarded to understand this?

>>378052170
> he says while wearing his Unusual Team Captain with the Burning Flames effect
> painted The Bitter Taste of Defeat and Lime
> renamed "Pootisy McPootisstein"
> while armed with his Australium Killstreak Blood Diamond Botkiller Strange Minigun

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>>378052170
>'you don't have to buy it'
Precisely.

>>378053918
I love playing Overwatch too, but I think this is bullshit. I bought some crates once, got fuck all and never bought any again.
I don't see why making a game to make money when it doesn't harm the gameplay is a bad thing anyway.

>>378057726
"blizzdrones" weren't the ones to claim TF2 wasn't even an FPS or bring up Left 4 Dead and Splatoon as examples of games like TF2.

>>378057960
You can kill without shooting at all so the only thing left is team based first person game.

>>378058110
>team based first person game.
That's not a real thing.

>>378058110
You could kill without shooting in the original doom aswell.

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>stop playing diablo 3 cause it's an endless grind that doesn't make you feel any more powerful
>don't miss it at all
>stop playing HoTS because the retarded QM, unbalanced heroes and low skill ceiling
>don't miss it at all
>think about buying overwatch now that's on sale
Ehh I think not, I think I've learned my lesson.

>>378058110
Nearly every FPS lets you kill without shooting at all. It's called a melee attack. And again, Splatoon isn't first person.

What are you trying to prove exactly? Other than how completely stupid you are.

>>378058193
How would you differentiate a game like overwatch from battlefield?

>>378058447
My original statement was how very few games are like tf2

>>378058429
Its literally just people memeing on grinding for skins

You should avoid getting Overwatch because its a bad shooter.

>>378058451
Those two have more in common than l4d2 and Splatoon. The fact that you can't differentiate between them is fucking sad.

>>378054648
Let me tell you this with no intention or anything but, you're right, you don't get it.

You see, I too thought that skins weren't that big of a deal, because what REALLY matters is how good I can play my character right?
Well turns out that the gamedesign of overwatch is intentionally designed in a way that you could be the absolute best at your rank but never rank up, or be the absolute worst and still rank up.

How the game "achieves" this is by letting one player take control over the experience for the whole team. If someone afks, or nobody picks a healer, then you're fucked. You would have to be an outstanding 5% player to "carry".

Furthermore, the game actively encourages you to main a few heroes and never fill in by displaying stats that'll make you look like a fucking superhero when in reality, you're maybe above average at best.

What does this have to do with skins? Well, if you can't rank up and the other gamemodes are pretty much worthless, then what's left? Why are you playing a game that let's you gamble for a very good or very bad experience? Unlockables is the answer. And since skins are the only thing worth giving a damn about, that's what people will concern themselves with the most and make it a prime focus of the experience.

This gets proven by every event, where people spend hundreds of dollars just to get a CHANCE to get 1 specific item for one specific character.

>>378058584
And your argument was to use examples of games that have almost nothing in common with TF2, then denying TF2 was a FPS to begin with.
So again, how have you proven anything other than how stupid you are?

>>378058717
Actually the game encourages you to play the least popular heroes, as you can rank up more easily by being good at those heroes than others.

Saying the ranking system sucks doesn't explain how skins are relevant.

The only hero worth playing is Widowmaker.
T. Widowmain.

>>378056548
Now you got it.

>>378059228
>The only hero worth playing is shit
FTFY

>>378057157
>if it makes you rely on your teammates it's not really fps

you are actually this fucking retarded

>>378059272
The fact that my native language and english are related makes small differences like these hard to remember.

>>378059348
>the only hero worth playing is the one that requires skill and rewards.
ftfy

>>378059228
As a Genji main i love drinking salty widow tears when i assist them in their suicide.

>>378059530
So... the only hero worth playing is shit then? That's exactly what I said.

>>378059637
So you admit dedication and skill that reweard 1-hit kills are shit?
Nicely done.
You are probably a "tank" main or Support main i bet.

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>all this tism

Posting best skin

>>378059906
I don't even own overwatch. The best character is still shit though.

>>378057134
Really? Where's the data?

>>378059127
>Actually the game encourages you to play the least popular heroes, as you can rank up more easily by being good at those heroes than others.

This is only partcially true at best. With the horrible balance that the game has going on, with basically a new op hero every patch, you could make the argument that playing that hero is for the best of you if you want to rank up.
However the best players will focus on a specific role and get great at it.
If you need proof, then gloss over a few streams such as wraxu, codey (vods) or even someone like seagull. Even in tournaments people get put into specific roles they're good at.

However this is not about ranking, it's about player control. If one player can ruin a game, players will take matches less seriously and "hope" for good teammates. Of course no matching system can be perfect, but games before overwatch have had better systems, so this high budget AAA release, has no excuse for being worse. This is even worse if you take into consideration how long the game was in development.

Also, I said that the lacking and frustrating experience makes skins relevant, not one specific aspect. In a perfect world, overwatch would've had 25 heroes and 30 maps with 5 gamemodes and no skins on release.

>>378060126
look into your heart anon, you know it to be true

>>378060284
Okay, I believe you

>>378059975
BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

Voting with your wallet is almost pointless this day and age since there are many others who will gladly splash out cash for this sort of thing.

>>378060380
So what you're saying is buy things just because everyone else is? I wonder who could be behind this post...

>>378060527
That wasn't my intention, just that it never works because 5 others will just buy it instead.

>>378052572
That's literally most games with customization though.

>over 10 boxes since the event started
>all of them have just been white and blues
I hate this fucking game

>>378057114
spoken like a true retard who's never played a real shooter in his life

>>378060241
>I said that the lacking and frustrating experience makes skins relevant,
But you haven't explained why. The skins don't cause or alleviate the frustrating experiences as they have literally zero effect on the matchmaking system or the game design itself.

>tfw too smart to take the bait
>not smart enough to not be entertained by /v/ taking it

>go to ow webpage for patch notes
>first thing I see is buy loot crates
>scroll down for more advertising
>very bottom says buy loot crates


you cant make this up

>>378058717
This.

>>378052170
Go kill yourself nobody love you

>>378061557
Go kill yourself nobody love you

>>378054648
Because pcbros and blizzdrones are the exact same retards who suck off their respective companies since they need validation for spending hundreds or thousands of hours playing the same 10 maps and spending hundreds of dollars on dumb cosmetics.

>>378060527
That's not at all what he's saying.

>>378060380
"Vote with your wallet" was always just a smug way to say shut up to others from people that never expected it to have any real influence. They don't actually want you to fufill the purpose of voting with your wallet: Hurting the company till it's forced to change.

Because whenever that does happen they go from "vote with your wallet" to "don't you see you're going to kill the companies!" and calling people overly entitled.

>>378054648
TF2 allows you to play user-created maps and other content, has LAN that doesn't force you to maintain a connection to their servers and items you want can be bought directly instead of gambling. Those things alone make it more consumer friendly than Overwatch.

>>378061354
I did, but maybe I should explain it once more. If a player sees no value in one aspect of a game, they'll focus on another.

Let's say you have a side scroller and in this side scroller you can collect rare items.
However you have to pull of crazy jumps to get them. A majority of players will try a few times before continuing with the game just as they were before. Only a small minority will keep at it and restart the entire level as much as they need, to get the jump down.

If an obsticle gets too frustrating to overcome, players will find alternatives. Videogames are entertainment after all. And while there is enterainment value in trail and error, there is only so much most players will endure.

If we takes this example to overwatch then most players will have less and less ambition to rank up and/or get tilted easily trying.
So naturally players will find a way to keep playing (even tho some might quit) and so skins are the only thing worth playing FOR.
Every other aspect that IS worth playing for is the rank up or the inital gameplay.

But as we've already established, the rank up is a casino, a cheap gamble for good teammates. While the gameplay leads you nowhere, because one single teammate can ruin your gameplay experience.

With this in mind, you'll only have to look at some of the ridiculous number of people buying boxes for every event and this pretty much confirms how important skins are to the playerbase.

>>378062483
>If a player sees no value in one aspect of a game, they'll focus on another.

Again this does not explain how skins are relevant to the game design and matchmaking which it objectively does not imapct. Saying you care about skins because you hate how the game plays/is designed isn't a real argument. And people buying boxes doesn't change that.

>>378062602
>>378062483
Also You earn more boxes and level up more quickly by playing the arcade fun modes where there is no ranking system unlike competitive.

>>378061147
The Chinese lootbox data had legendaries one per thirteen boxes. So there's that.

I didn't buy it though and will never buy anything made by blizzard because they just make poor re-makes of already made games.

>>378062602
Maybe you should read my whole post before posting.

I'll make it even easier to understand, if you don't understand this, then this is bait.

>player gets frustrated because one teammate can ruin a game
>can't rank up
>other playmodes are not worth playing
>player has to shift focus on gameplay
>gameplay isn't enough because you can't carry
>skins are earned by loot boxes, which you'll get from leveling up
>you can only level up by playing games
>hence the player chooses to get satisfaction from lootboxes moreso then the game
>therefore skins are relevant (which can be seen by how many lootboxes are bought ONLY during events)

>>378062729
This is false, you'll earn about 4k-7k exp from a ranked match, nothing in the whole catalog of gamemodes will give you this much exp within a single match.
Even if you rock through a normal match you'll never get something like 5k exp. Which means you'll level up slower. It's also apprent that people wait for the gamemodes to reset during events in the arcade to get more lootboxes easier, which means they want the boxes, not the games.

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>>378052170
I never bought Overwatch to begin with so I'm immune to that bullshit

>>378063489
That's because ranked matches take much longer than normal matches. I've tested this myself, if your overall goal is to level up quickly and earn lootboxes then arcade modes are much more effective as you'll earn more xp on average on top of the free lootboxes you get which doesn't happen in competitive.

>It's also apprent that people wait for the gamemodes to reset during events in the arcade to get more lootboxes easier
Most people don't play arcade modes though. QM and Comp are by far more popular.

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>>378052170
>Get at least 1 champion per month
>Maps and modes are released pretty frequently
>Every 2 weeks there is balance patches
>Not $40
Why are OWfags such cucks?

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>>378052170
>>If you don't like it, just don't buy it!
But that's true.

Skins are entirely optional and don't change the gameplay in any way.

Why are people complaining?

>>378063489
I've read your post already and your greentext along with he rest of your arguemnt still relies on the assumption that people are just playing for lootboxes and don't actually like the gameplay without any proof or evidence of it beyond "look at the ridiculous number of people buying boxes" even though the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't buy boxes. You still haven't explained how being unable to carry means skins suddenly impact how the game is played. It's one thing if you are criticizing the matchmaking system or how the game is designed but don't conflate the game design with skins which again have objectively no effect on said design/matchmaking.

>>378063975
>I've tested this myself
I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but do you have numbers for that? I would generally like to know.
Because as far as I know if you steamrole a team in comp you'll get crazy exp and it's fast.

>Most people don't play arcade modes though. QM and Comp are by far more popular.
Except during the events, because you can get boxes quicker. You've said that yourself.
At least the inital boxes, after that I'll agree with you.

On one hand, that's true, but on the other it implies you aren't saving up for events and wasting your coins like a dipshit. If you don't have at least enough for one new skin by the time an update drops you're doing it wrong.

>>378064146
>Why are people complaining?
People (manchildren and underages) cant manage their desire and needs so they whine about a marketing trick who is easily dodgeable for everyone with a gram of brain.
>Muh psicology
You are an idiot, thats the doctor answer.

>>378064386
Steamrolling in comp still takes much longer than steamrolling in mystery heroes or QM. And the more games you can fit into a timespan the more XP you'll earn on average.

>Except during the events, because you can get boxes quicker. You've said that yourself.
I didn't say most people play arcade during the event over comp or QM beacuse of boxes. Don't twist my words.

>>378052170
People seriously still play this fucking boring trash fire?

>>378053701

speak for yourself commie

>>378064781
the ironing
>he genuinely believes the majority of americans are anarcho capitalists

>>378058627
But I need a shooter to play though

>>378054027
You can't be this fucking daft

>>378059975
>complains about autism
>focuses on skins

>>378052170

thats why you have two or three characters you play as, would you really feel better if you 100%ed a character you never play as?

>>378052170

This is why all forms of random purchases in videogames should be made illegal.

if your enjoyment comes from the cosmetics and not the game then your their demo

>>378053130
we all knew this before south park pointed it out though

>>378065370
We did, normies probably didn't.

>>378065370
But everyone started complaining about it when Overwatch did it. Now it's suddenly a problem because the game got too popular.

>>378052170
Yeah I grew sick of OW's shit and dropped it due to this. Blizzard has a serious problem these days where they create a stick and forget to put a carrot on it. You have a game (like hearthstone) where there's really no fucking reason to play. There is no reward, no real esports scene, no regularly opened tournaments held by blizzard for everyone etc. The only thing to go for is the loot, for which you are pretty much forced to buy in a game that already cost money to buy.

This wouldn't even be so bad if the greed wasn't so transparent. They have added a total of like ONE legendary that wasn't tied to an event, in the entire year the game has been out. Everything else has been an event skin that costs 3 times what everything else does to get. To top it off, they are all limited edition which actually can decrease some peoples desire to play (You didn't that outfit you tried to grind for all month? Enjoy seeing players run around in it and remind you for the rest of the games lifespan that you can't ever have it!).

They have F2P models in a pay to play game. The game, to top it off, is very unfun and has a garbage community.

They could alleviate these problems by

1. Dropping limited edition skin costs down to what everything else is
2. Offer a way to actually earn gold
3. Don't make them limited edition
4. add loot that isn't tied to event to make it less blatant that you will never produce content for the game if it isn't tied to microtransactions.

>>378065909
I have a much better one
1. Fuck cosmetics
2. Release maps and game modes

Nobody gives a single fuck about cosmetics in a fucking first person shooter, and the ones who do deserve to be shot.

Literally all they should do is scale Event Duplicates up to the Event price.

Duplicate Event Legendaries should be 600 Gold but instead they are still 200 Gold. This would at least be a gesture of good faith to the fanbase that they aren't that big of a greedy piece of shit company.

>>378065726
>But everyone started complaining about it when Overwatch did it

when hearthstone didi it, when lol did it, when dota did it, when tribes did it, when wow did it, when Korean MMOs did it...

wanna keep going?

>>378066092
Nobody cared when those games did it outside of /v/ who are a bunch of losers.

>>378064349
They're not playing solely for the gameplay is what I'm saying.

With every none hero or none map release, the value of skins increases, since events are almost sure to occur every other month. Also, before you might misunderstand this, by value I mean that this is the only form of new content, which naturally, is exciting for everyone playing the game, since the game doesn't have that much content.

It's completely true that most players don't buy lootboxes, however those who do, buy a fuckton, but that is also not what I'm saying. I think it would be best summed up by saying; overwatch intentionally uses lootboxes to increase playertime, and therefore investment into the game, in a skinnerbox fashion in order to keep you "hooked".

Which means, the inability of the gameplay to hook you (by not letting you carry, or gamble for good teammates) is conpensated by the exp system, lootboxes included. Look at it this way, if a game has to give you rewards besides the rank up or the gameplay, it has failed as a game that focuses on a multiplayer experience.

In this way, not being able to carry your team is, through the exp system, links to lootboxes making the game a better play. Of course we all know that there is no benefit to the skins, not even for yourself most of the time, since it's an fps. But blizzard has this design philosohpy of including exclusive items and rare collectables which is supposed to keep you hooked.

>>378065909
Do you not like challenging yourself by playing others anon, or getting some chums together to talk while the game is merely in the background.

Why do you need something to tell you what to to work towards for something thing to be "enjoyable"

>>378066047
>Nobody gives a single fuck about cosmetics in a fucking first person shooter, and the ones who do deserve to be shot.
So the majority of players deserve to be shot? Cool. But your subjective opinion is really irrelevant to the discussion.

>>378064071
I bought this game for the porn and haven't spent a dollar since the initial game, so I'm feeling good.

>>378066292
>your subjective opinion is really irrelevant to the discussion.
As opposed to objective opinions?


If someone makes a statement of their opinion without saying it's their opinion, it's because it's understood that you would know the difference. I have autism and even I understand this, fuck you.

>>378066241
Honestly it sounds like you just dont like the game most people the cosmetics are just that cosmetic; not a reason to play the game

>>378052170
You literally don't have to buy it.
The fact that you can't just grind out all the skins isn't a bad thing.
Scarcity has upsides, not everyone having everything makes them more valuable.

And at the end of the day it's cosmetic. You literally do not have a reason to care and whining because you can't look like a special snowflake is fucking retarded.

>>378066258
My "chums" stopped playing the game for similar reasons. Few people stick on to the same game for a year or more unless it has a real solid reason to. Overwatch does not

>Do you not like challenging yourself by playing others anon
No, not really? I bought the game so I could have a casual shooter. If I wanted esports I'd go buy an actual competitive video game like a fighting game.

Things are more enjoyable when a reward is promised. This is a fact of psychology. People are more willing to grind doing the same boring shit with nothing new if you promise them something for it. Much like HS, Blizzard cannot promise you anything cool for your time aside from a card back/gold weapon, which isn't worth the hundreds of hours of grind to people.

Lack of content is also a serious problem. If you do not add new content regularly all you have is the grind.

>>378066448
>still dances around the fact people do care about cosmetics and his personal dislike of them is completely irrelevant and will change nothing about anything
I can tell you have autism, because you think people should care that you dislike cosmetics in an FPS when most people disagree with you.

>>378066572
The upside being I have free time to play a different game, which is what a lot of people chose to do, hence the dwindling playerbase of the game and slow match times

>>378066761
If you don't care then why the fuck did you bother to respond?
when people are talking about a subjective subject, they are aware they are talking about opinions. Stating "that's your subjective opinion" is not introspective, it's obvious and annoying.

>>378066572
I would usually agree, but the way the drop rates force scarcity makes things a lot worse. If not for the formula giving you pity drops after every so many boxes with shit in them, we'd be getting nothing.

Not to mention the design of everything being so back and forth in quality making some people only want one or two skins per event.

>>378066761
>when most people disagree with you.
but they don't >>378066549

>Overwatch is shit! It's casual shit!
>Shit gameplay!
>Shit maps!
>Shit characters!
>I'D GRIND THROUGH THIS SHITTY GAME FOR HOURS TO GET SOME BULLSHIT COSMETICS TO WEAR PLAYING A GAME I THINK IS TRASH BUT NOOOO BLIZZARD HAVE TO BE JEWS FUCK THEM
/v/, ladies and gentlemen.

>>378066761
>you think people should care that you dislike cosmetics in an FPS when most people disagree with you.

That's just your opinion.

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>>378052170
What a fucking faggot.
To this day I have not bought a single loot crate and I never will. This is only a problem for dumbshits who want all the shiny things and they want them NOW!
>b-but they want you to buy them
Well no fucking shit. How else are they going to support continued development on this game, genius?
Cosmetics are by far the most inoffensive way to maintain a revenue stream from an already released game.

>>378067045
this

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>>378067045
>>I'D GRIND THROUGH THIS SHITTY GAME FOR HOURS TO GET SOME BULLSHIT COSMETICS TO WEAR PLAYING A GAME I THINK IS TRASH BUT NOOOO BLIZZARD HAVE TO BE JEWS FUCK THEM

I am sillly

>>378066549
I do like the game, but not in it's current state. But the assumption that most players don't give a damn about skins is false. You could easily go to every offical an non-offical forum for overwatch and you'll be welcomed with a fuckton of threads about how cool the skins look, and how people will play for a specific skin.

If this isn't enough for you then look at this very thread itself. A major news outlet reports on how you CAN'T get all skins even if you played for hundreds of hours. Not only that, but everytime a new "leak" happened news sites, and forums hat articles and threads about it. People WANT new content badly.

Skins are a massive part of the overwatch experience as a whole. Denying that would put you in a very specific group of people who don't get tilted at all, who don't care about skins themselves or who just play the game without thinking why they play.

If you are such a person then I envy you, since I don't have the endurence for that. Keep it up!

>>378067183
So the majority of players are dumbshits? Cool. But your subjective opinion is really irrelevant to the discussion.

>>378066850
You say this like I'd have any reason to care about you playing one shit game instead of another shit game.

But we both know if you're pathetic enough to whine about not getting your cosmetics and that you lack the self-control not to buy them, you're not going to be able to make yourself stay away.
>>378066957
That still doesn't make it a problem though. As you said, you get pity drops if you don't luck out and get SOMETHING randomly. Scarcity is still a good thing and having certain cosmetics be exclusive increases their value, and thus their value to the players that have them. Plus it results in not having everyone running around with the same shit.

>>378052170
Overwatch is shit, why would you waste so much time typing a wall of text for it?

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>>378067327
>Scarcity is still a good thing and having certain cosmetics be exclusive increases their value

>>378066640
But it is a casual shooter anon, you just lost the friends to play it with correct, otherwise it would have fit your bill or am i misunderstanding.
You dont want a competitive game (which it isn't, anyone who says otherwise is in denial)

So if there was "content" to be unlocked over cosmetics you would prefer that? If once every 20 30 etc levels they gave you some new mode or skill or mechanic it would be a more rewarding experience?

>>378067434
Yes.
If the skins matter enough to whine about not getting, then they matter enough to have retarded artificial value through scarcity.

>>378067327
How is everyone running around with the same shit a problem when you can only equip skins one at a time? If these are "just cosmetics" then why is scarcity a good thing and why is increasing their value important?

>>378067583
>If the skins matter enough to whine about not getting
Your own argument is that they don't matter.

>>378067321
>So the majority of players are dumbshits?
Yes.
>But your subjective opinion is really irrelevant to the discussion.
It's not subjective. The options are "more heroes, skins and maps but we sell lootcrates" or "no more heroes, no more maps, no more skins and we only sell the game".
The third option is expecting Blizzard to continue support for the game at a loss which is unreasonable.

>>378067695
Whether something matters is subjective, anon. I'm both claiming they don't matter, and arguing that even if they do it's not a bad thing.

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>>378052170
I feel like i'm going to lose my friend over this piece of shit game, fuck you blizzard.

>>378067327
Scarcity is a problem if you have to sacrifice your desire to grind by getting ten boxes of nothing but retarded skins and sprays.

In this case I don't think rarity is an issue at all as far as a person-to-person opinion goes anyway.

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>>378052170
I want that fucking not-Kamen-Rider skin.

>>378067854
No, you claimed they don't matter and then directly contradicted yourself by arguing as if they mattered. You can't have it both ways and citing subjectivity isn't an argument.

>>378067736
>The options are "more heroes, skins and maps but we sell lootcrates" or "no more heroes, no more maps, no more skins and we only sell the game".

False dichotomy.

>The third option is expecting Blizzard to continue support for the game at a loss which is unreasonable.

Blizzard has taken over half a billion dollars from game sales alone.

>>378067953
Sorry, sprays and icons I mean. They register so poorly as a reward that I forgot what they were.

>>378052170
Holy shit OP you're going to flip when you hear about cell phone games from 5 years ago. I guess it's why you have the opinions of an old South Park episode minus the humor.

>>378068089
>False dichotomy.
No it isn't.
>Blizzard has taken over half a billion dollars from game sales alone.
So?

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>>378052170
The main thing that bothers me about overwatch is how Blizzard markets the game. And by that I mean they've literally saturated every form of media especially porn in order to get people hooked on it. They literally paid SFM porn video makers to advertise for them; right now they're paying actual porn stars to advertise for them, they commissioned porn artists to draw their characters, ads all over the internet, ads on TV, you literally could not avoid the game if you consume any form of media on the reg. And it works so well it's humiliating they have these people in their pocket so easily just by throwing millions in advertising at anybody popular right now.

They pump out these passable but polished games filled to the fucking brim with jewish addiction methods and have so much money to spend on advertising because of WoW that they can just brute force a hit game. I mean with the money to buy up all the talent they need how could their games be filled with bugs? Game bugs/errors are the only objective thing you can use to complain about a game. Anybody who tries to argue about why their games are bad are just drowned out by fanboys who are too emotionally invested to stop. These people don't even understand or just don't care about all the ways they've been baited into their addiction. It's crazy man, their marketing campaign just straight dwarfs everything else and it would've taken a disaster for Overwatch not to have been a hit.

>>378068192
>No it isn't.
Not an argument.
>So?
It doesn't cost anywhere even close to $500m to support Overwatch

>>378066241
>In this way, not being able to carry your team is, through the exp system, links to lootboxes making the game a better play
This is a lot of mental gymnastics to link your criticism of the gameplay to how the game itself somehow revolves around cosmetics.
You know the gameplay and matchmaking would be identical even if there were no cosmetics right? Lootboxes aren't the reason you're not able to carry games. Literally the only difference would be that the added characters and maps would become paid DLC, because Blizzard would have no financial incentive to make that content free otherwise.

>>378067285
Maybe I stated it poorly people care about them, but not to a point where if they if they stopped pumping them out they would stop playing.

People enjoy they game, people enjoy new characters, people enjoy the tweaks to existing ones, people enjoy the modes and maps.
So when all of the content previously mentioned is free and they introduce something that isn't, people have something additional to talk about about how they want to get X. because there is a chance they won't. and that's okay because it was just that a cosmetic something extra on top of the game those people already enjoyed. If they give you the option to buy some box that has a chance to make your character do a stupid dance or look different neat.

I dont play OW unless its with buds personally because its a game to just shoot the shit while you do something in the background. And I think it's fine in that sense, it doesn't cause a ton of salt and it isn't incredible anal to play so I think that makes it pretty fun

>>378068318
>Not an argument.
Simply screeching "false dichotomy" isn't an argument either.
>It doesn't cost anywhere even close to $500m to support Overwatch
How the fuck would you know that? What you want them to do is to slowly piss away their profit with indefinitely continued development. That's idiotic.

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>no demo
>have to literally wait for free periods to see if the thing can even run well on your machine
Why?
Dear God what happened to this industry?

>>378068219
...Excuse me, but what the actual fuck are you talking about.

people hated it when colors had to be unlocked in sfv but it's okay when overwatch does it.

>>378068009
>and citing subjectivity isn't an argument
No, it's not, it's a contextualization and/or explination of another statement you fucking sperg.

Claiming they don't matter isn't an argument. It's a statement of a subjective value, with the implication that it is my personal view upon said completely subjective thing.

Thereafter, I made an argument based on the hypothetical situation of one thinking they mattered, saying that it would not be a bad thing under that circumstance.

You lack both basic reading comprehension and logic skills.

>>378068318
>Not an argument.

>doesn't make an argument
>complains about not receiving a counter-argument

This is the logical capacity of the "people" complaining about this. It's almost like they're literal children!

>>378052402
Well it's certainly not built around good gameplay

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>>378068219
>They literally paid SFM porn video makers to advertise for them; right now they're paying actual porn stars to advertise for them, they commissioned porn artists to draw their characters, ads all over the internet, ads on TV, you literally could not avoid the game if you consume any form of media on the reg.
Dude what I think you've been on /pol/ for to long go outside

I can't see my own character's skin and I pay no attention to what other players use so I don't think it actually matters.

>>378068917
It's almost like that's not an argument.

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>>378068219
I want off this ride.

>>378068779
>Claiming they don't matter isn't an argument.
It was literally your own argument. You contradicted yourself so now you're trying to deflect and "contextualize" your own argument by calling it subjective and the contradictionhypothetical, as if either negates the argument existence.

You lack both basic reading comprehension and logic skills, you fucking sperg

Should I buy overwatch, is there a way to refund it?

>>378069730
i think its on free weekend dont think you can refund it

>>378052170
Go back to your Boglins Jim, you're drunk

>>378055182

That is easy to do if you play a ton especially during the events.

Going to Overwatch from Vanquish, it's so slow it makes me want to rip my hair out.

No clue how I've been playing since August, but an actual game has revived my sense of taste.

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>>378068670
>actually using ellipsis at the begining of your fucking sentence no less
>using a point instead of a question mark
>being retarded

This is what typing like an autistic larping redditor does to you.

>>378068541
>Simply screeching "false dichotomy" isn't an argument either
It is a false dichotomy though. Calling it "screeching" isn't an argument.
>How the fuck would you know that?
Because it's idiotic to think it costs literally half a billion dollars to support a single online FPS.
>What you want them to do is to slowly piss away their profit with indefinitely continued development. That's idiotic.
Actually that's a strawman. And now you're admitting it isn't about supporting the game at a loss, but just maximizing profit.

>>378052170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcAsad-E9CQ

do we know when these event skins will be available again?

>>378070113
vanquish has enough differences to not warrant a comparison to Overwatch. The only thing they have in common is they both have guns and things relating to guns.

>>378068442
Just to make this clear, I'm not arguing on the basis that I'm bad at the game. I'm above average at best and I can gladly accept that.

However you saying that the game would be no different is contradicted within the same sentence.

The game WOULD look different, a lot different in fact. If there were no plans for lootboxes in the first place, then the game would've been a lot bigger contentwise, at least for it's inital release. And I'm pretty certain the game would also cost 60$ instead of 40$. With the origins edition content planed for dlc packs or something similar.

Again I didn't say that the game revolves around cosmetics, I said it's a massive part of the game. Obviously the game revolves around it's gameplay. But the focus on skins is far greater than making the game better.

>>378070349

1 year at the very most.

Less if they release a black friday sale or something. The real question is where are the summer 2016 stuff?

Like there is no way they would lock off midriff Tracer and the rest of those shitty skins forever.

>>378068453
If all of what you said about yourself is true, then you are one of the few people that really don't give a damn about cosmetics. Which is good.
I mean you said it yourself, skins are something on top that you can talk about.

However as much as people love the existing content, if they WOULD enjoy everything you said to the extent you said, then there would be no incentive for the ow team to make balance changes or remodel maps. Also, there wouldn't be a bazillion thread on the offical forums (which is full of idiots) complaining about minor stuff that, in the end, gets changed.

Furthermore, all the things you listed that people enjoy are not cosmetics, they're vital parts of the gameplay.

But with all this in mind, could you tell me why you don't play the game unless you can play with someone else?
Because to me it seems that you don't like the game as much or take it as seriously when it's "just to shoot the shit while you do something in the background".

Maybe we have entirely different perspectives on how much we like the game.

>>378070385
It warrants a comparison because I play both, it doesn't have anything to do with their content aside from the amount of stimulation. I'm uninstalling the slow one.

The best time in Overwatch was in the PTR for the server browser, when you could make a full-speed match and people would collide with each other at insane paces endlessly. Now it's RP servers some fucking how and other stupid shit.

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>>378069026
>Full SFM porn videos out as the game had just started beta
>Blizzard then takes the high ground publically condemning and bringing widespread attention to said SFM porn of their IP, perfect marketing
>Porn actors on IG making overwatch posts with overwatch tshirts literally today
>Overwatch is in top 5 porn search categories of 2016
>Overwatch ads being run nonstop since last year online and on TV

How is it tinfoil to point this out? It's masterclass marketing and as a young programmer it's terrifying to me because it exemplifies the encompassing impact of marketing.

>>378070385
>However you saying that the game would be no different is contradicted within the same sentence.
No it isn't. "You know the gameplay and matchmaking would be identical even if there were no cosmetics right" is the entire sentence and not a contradiction.

I don't think you even read my post because you are STILL talking about cosmetic things that have nothing to do with the gameplay or the matchmaking.

>Again I didn't say that the game revolves around cosmetics, I said it's a massive part of the game.
Your original argument: >>378058717
>skins are the only thing worth giving a damn about, that's what people will concern themselves with the most and make it a prime focus of the experience.

You've been straight up arguing the game is designed around loot boxes this entire time

>all of the best players are people who don't throw a shit fit about cosmetics
really activated my almonds

>>378071256
you quoted the wrong dude.

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I earn 20 bucks in 15 minutes.

Tell me why I should not spend that much on lootboxes. I dare you.

>>378071292

That's just how it works.

The lower common denominator focuses on skins like crazy.

TF2 is pretty much left with this kind of retards which is why the game sucks so much now.

>>378071476

Because if you are even remoetely wealthy there are considerably better things to do with your time than videogames.

And no I am not talking about expensive drugs, alcohol and whores.

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>>378070916
>there's porn of it so that MUST mean the company endorses it
I'm sure marvel funds all of those marvel porn parodies too huh

>>378070680

You are in a really niche market for games you like.

You probably were born too late to play quake and unreal tournament.

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>OP is unironically trying to claim the game is designed around lootboxes because he's too shit at the game to rank up in competitive
Funniest thread on /v/ in months.

>>378071667

I own a house, a boat, and a car and pretty much all electronic devices I need.

There's nothing left I can throw my money at.

>>378071449
My bad, meant for>>378070392

>>378070680
play titanfall 2

>>378071667
>Because if you are even remoetely wealthy there are considerably better things to do with your time than videogames.

Like donating thousands of dollars to twitch streamers

>>378052170
>Paul Tassi

What in the fuck made you open that link?

>>378052170
>They're fishing for whales, they're trying to get sick, genuinely ill people who have compulsions and disorders to uncontrollably give them money, but that's all fine because we have to gargle the balls of our favorite megacorps.

I don't doubt that there are a lot of them, but not everybody with more money than sense is mentally ill. Some people just have shitloads of money.

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>>378071476
are we making jokes

>>378070546
I don't play it unless i'm playing with someone because I dont think the game is very fun in a SoloQ sense.
You cant solo carry easily in QP, Comp is pretty much a joke as well, and the community is pretty bad it is a blizzard game after all. Other game are definitely better for a competitive game especially it it's just myself. Fighting games, CS, Mobas and card games are more rewarding in what you as a player can pull off against the opponent.

I think OW lends it self better with friends, just by having one other person you can combine ults or work together. Easiest example of this is you can make bigger stuff happen by the two of you pressing Q and just kinda wiping the other team making for a pretty good feeling play, this stuff isn't really possible by yourself with out trying to control how randoms play, so it has has a better charm to it if you just grab a buddy and maybe do highnoon EMP or a grav bomb sword combo. Suddenly you and your buddy feel pretty good about something the two of you did

You are right about people playing for cosmetics though, otherwise there wouldnt be people all over forums complaining or this thread even existing. I got a buddy who buys the max loot boxes once each event even if he doesn't play the game unless someone invites him. So there's definitely both sides. Even then I think people do enjoy it on different levels I mean I wouldnt play the game for more than an hour with out some else and yet there are people soloing Comp for hours on twitch.

>>378071783
Politics.

>>378071476
>I earn 20 bucks in 15 minutes.
this is a really weird way to get around saying what your actual income is

>>378071762
Only slightly, I'm sure I would have if my first PC in 2001 was suitable for games.
>>378071895
At this point I'm really considering it. It feels so GOOD to have Battle.net and Overwatch off of my computer and that's sad.

>>378053295
Emotes are cancer.

>>378071783

Really? You merely lack imagination.

>Traveling everywhere and whenever possible
>Purchasing professional training services
>Going to expensive parties
>buying a club
>Squandering the world for expensive art and artifacts.
>using said artifacts for dominion purposes
>fighting off the demonic legions of hell with artifacts
>UFO hunting

Being rich isn't about owning expensive shit, it is utilizing your funds to do the most things possible after that.

Videogames is a direct hindrance of that. Unless you can professionally make games. Being able to make art is a worthwhile skill to have.

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>>378052170
>mfw poorfags are still crying about loot boxes that are free anyway if they just play

>>378071476
>I earn 20 bucks in 15 minutes.

How long do you work? Is this a permanent passive income?

>>378071256
>No it isn't

You are right, I slipped a line, still
>You know the gameplay and matchmaking would be identical
and
>Literally the only difference would be that the added characters and maps would become paid DLC

Is not exactly the same, because releases would be handled much different, including significant gameplay changes. Which was my bad for slipping a line.

However the main focus here is that you took my line out of context.
>then what's LEFT?
is the key line here.

I was never arguing that the game is designed around lootboxes. What I WAS saying is that lootboxes are a compensation for the badly designed gameplay and therefore a huge focus for the devs. So the lootboxes are designed around the gameplay.

>>378064071
And none of those are any good
Lex is a worse Androxus, Willo is a worse Evie, Tyra is basically the same as Viktor, and Torvald/ Maeve are unbalanced
Not to mention a way worse loot box system and bland maps

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>>378072417
>mfw poorfags are still crying about loot boxes that are free anyway if they just play this garbage game for 200 hours
>mfw some of the content availability is even limited in time just like it's explained in the picture of the OP

>>378072302
>>378053295

emotes could be better if they were more interactive.

But in Overwatch the only time you see them is at the pre game area, same with sprays.

Unless of course you get an ebin play of the game and want to show off those sick ass sprays

>>378070518
The summer event is 100% coming back. All the events are.

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>People are okay with 1 new map and 2 new heroes a year

Why?

>>378072761
pass on the interactive do you even remember tf2 anon

>>378052170
Yea, what are you going to do about it, pal? Think it should be illegal?

>>378070518
that kinda sucks i'd rather fork over £5 for a skin then wait a whole year and that's assuming i haven't spent my money on something else by the time they become available again.

>>378072854
I'd rather they take their time over rushing content out of the gate into an already unbalanced meta

>>378052656
The only reason to play overwatch is for the gameplay. Unlockables should have ZERO affect on gameplay, keeping the game as 100% unchangeable due to outside manipulation. This is the reason why Halo 3 and Counter Strike were so good; because they objectively understand that "meaningful unlockables" don't make the game work playing; playing a good game makes the game worth playing. Unlockables should ONLY EVER be the mustard, and the moment they become the meat and potatoes, then you might as well be playing Hearthstone because your game is hot garbage.

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>>378072760
>mfw OP's pic didn't take into account the coins people who actually play have in addition to the free loot boxes, plus the 3 quick loot boxes from arcade games every week

>>378072049
So we actually have the same viewpoint on lootboxes and cosmetics.
I have the same friend who only buys lootboxes on events just to get a skin and then fuck off.
And I too think that other big multiplayer games have a far more rewarding system that rewards you with gameplay rather than cosmetics.

But I think we're a little different when it comes to the game itself. I play to get better myself, not necessarily to kill time or to wobble around. Seems like I'm taking the game waaay more serious than you do. I see it as a competition more so than entertainment.
But I also have to say that a genji/zarya ,tracer/zarya or hanzo zarya feels pretty good.

>>378052170
>there are not enough hours in the day to grind for overwatch anniversery skins
You literally get a loot box for every 3 victories in arcade mode.

>>378073112
This. Daily reminder that Call of Duty and Diablo models absolutely ruin EVERY FPS they touch.

You can't disagree with this; it's not opinion. It's fact.

>>378073028

>that kinda sucks i'd rather fork over £5 for a skin then wait a whole year

That is exactly what they are banking on, I played League of legends for a good 3 years and I jumped on every exclusive shit limited time garbage they threw at me.

Honestly it is better for you to get what you can and play the game for that initial $60 or less cost.

>>378053230
this

not that it matter since you can't see them anyway

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>>378073182
>the coins people who actually play have in addition to the free loot boxes
3000 coins for a cool skin, nice.

>3 quick loot boxes from arcade games every week
Thank you based blizzard, I now have a reason to play this garbage mode 9 times a week (if my teammates don't suck dick)

>>378073731
not an argument

>>378073349
This only works 3 times and only once a week.

>>378073496
i'm talking about giving £5 for the exact skin i want not loots, i will never buy those. i've seen people open 50 and not get the thing they wanted.

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>>378073731
if you're not willing to put the work in for the skins then why don't you just buy them? and if you don't want them then why the fuck do you care that others are buying them?

these threads are hilarious, no wonder poorfags can't work

>>378059975
but why BEES?

>>378073969
oh I thought it was once a day

>>378073870
SCREECHING NOT AN ARGUMENT ISN'T AN ARGUMENT EITHER

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>>378073870

>>378074063
epic meme points

You saying you woke?

>>378074018
Yeah but if they had this option they would only make skins for the popular characters as noone would actually willingly buy brink tracer or beekeeper may.

It would be a hoard of Genji and D.Va skins. even though they have been milking D.Va for awhile now.

>>378074023
>if you're not willing to put the work in for the skins then why don't you just buy them?
Because i'm not a fucking cuck, this game already cost money, why make people pay for content that should be free and easily available in a game that is not free to play?

>and if you don't want them then why the fuck do you care that others are buying them?
Because you encourage devs to adopt jewish business models with all your cock sucking.

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>>378073186
Feels very good.

>>378074556
You should be blaming kids for this.

You know very well that kids are wanting their $20 in boxes for the month for their power rangers genji.

>>378073406
>>378073112

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>>378074556
>Because i'm not a fucking cuck, this--
IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE POOR

>Because you encourage devs to adopt jewish business models
Oh wow, an event with skins comes out every couple months and i spend the $20 i wipe my ass with on lootboxes for the skins i want, I'M CAUGHT IN THEIR SYSTEM MAN!

stay mad.

>>378074556
>Updated content, not content that was in the game originally
>"Reee it should be free!!"

Nigger games for decades didn't even have fucking updates, let alone free additional content. You get what you paid 40-60 dollars for and not a cent more you retarded communist numale faggot.

>>378052170
Or you know.. you can play just to be the chracters you want and have fun instead of complaining that "the game forces you to buy skins to look good" (which is all only true if you care about looking good)

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>>378052170
This argument could go around and around and you would still be wrong. I have literally never bought a loot box and I've never had to. I play arcade with my friends, and solo-queue in Comp. All your argument consists of is:

>I don't want to play to get the loot boxes
>I don't want to pay to get the loot boxes
>The skins are shit I don't want them anyway
>I care enormously that some people may pay to get something I apparently don't want.

If you just play, you'll have enough BlizzBux come each event to buy the two skins and an emote that are actually worth a damn, dude.

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>>378074818
>refusing to spread your ass cheeks like a faggot means you're poor

Loving every laughs.

Yeah but I find the game to be fun so your point is moot

>>378052170
>play with shit
>complains about the smell

some people never learn

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I don't understand how can autists even buy Lootboxes.
By playing you get a lot of them. By playing you collect a lot of money and you can buy some of the limited ones during events. Why fucking buy Lootboxes? IN A FUCKING FPS.

Why do retarded ideas always be this successfull? Overwatch is a nice game but it doesn't deserve all this popularity, there are much better games around

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>>378075209
>spending $20 every couple months on a game you enjoy with your friends is "spreading your ass cheeks like a faggot"

spoken like a true poorfag

>>378075209
You're the one who's crying about not getting the skin dude like shit your sounding like a faggot anyways

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>>378052170
t. mad poorfag who unironically (((cares about skins)))

>>378075676

>$120 a year on overwatch at the least

You probably spend more too.

>>378075658
You're right, you literally don't need to. They're easily accessible.

When an event comes out i wait until the last day to buy 24 boxes ($20) and that's only if i didn't get what i wanted from the free boxes through levelling by then, which most of the time i do

>>378052170
lets be honest though - theres nothing more irritating when you get your ass handed to you with someone using the default skin or w.e

like in csgo, nothing tilts someone with a $60 AWP skin when someone who has invested $0 into skins is owning them

skins are just a distraction for people who are not gitting gud

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How sad are our lives that we argue about video games with complete strangers..

>>378075658
Some people have more money than time. I think its fine

>>378075827
>(((cares about skins)))
You really shouldn't be using memes if you don't understand them, it's really embarassing to see.

>>378075843
see
>>378075865

>>378075658
well, it's a lot better than going back to buying/unlocking weapons and classes like Tribes:Ascend or the new Quake

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>>378075676
Depends on its worth. I could spend the money on the skins or buy other great cheap games, specially when the sale is close by.

If there weren't any other games to spend my money on, yea i would buy the boxes without a thought.

>>378075717
>You're the one who's crying about not getting the skin dude
Nice.

>like shit your sounding like a faggot anyways
>your
Not nice.

5/10 could be better

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>>378052170
>having any mercy on the ((((((((((((ill)))))))))))) that don't know how to not blow all their money on shitty videogames and cosmetics

I'm sick of pretending being a shit person with no willpower is some kind of disease. Sometimes there are just shitty people in this world and no one needs to defend them. The only thing they're good for is suffering so better people don't have to. They're made to be exploited.

>>378074515
>Yeah but if they had this option they would only make skins for the popular characters
aren't they already doing that?

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>>378075919
I'm having more fun shitposting in these threads than playing overwatch.

>>378075943
>meme

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>>378075658
people have no self control

being poor has saved many people from destroying themselves. but if the limitations of money is removed their little quirks/vices take over them little by little and destroy them from the inside.

overwatch isn't the cause, it is just a symptom of the trend of people in general nowadays. Let it be drugs, another video game, food, clothing, etc.

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Whats the typical age people grow out of being a Blizzdrone?

>>378076557
But it is.

>>378052170
Blizzard has created a game that revolves around unlocking skins. I don't think there are any people who actually play the game to just play the game and are hooked on unlockables and prizes. If the core of your shallow game is unlocking cosmetics and you make it impossible to unlock all of them without paying, you have a problem.

>>378053797
>/v/ calls overwatch fans babies
>the microsecond anyone insults TF2 the manchildren fans shit their diaper in a fit of rage over they're hat simulator
TF2 is and only ever will be a meme