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To people that say the Switch's first year lineup is bad,

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To people that say the Switch's first year lineup is bad, what are you comparing it to? because the PS4, Xbone and Wii U's were way worse.
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>>378039885
this image literally contains the ONLY games worth owning on the switch for its first year. If five games for a whole year is good enough for you that fine but its not for everyone.
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>>378040442
It's better than none, like all of 8th gen.
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Every Nintendo console other than the Wii U.
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>>378040442
>FIVE GAEMS!
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>>378039885
Also consider Sonic Mania and Puyo Puyo Tetris.

It's difficult to compare to the other eight-gen offerings because they've been out for so long, and (not Xbox) have managed to amass some really solid titles. Not fair to compare PC here, since it doesn't really operate under the "first year lineup" clause, but let's be honest. Comparing Switch's first year to PS4's first year lies on what you personally value. I think Switch has made much stronger games in its first year than nearly any Nintendo system had beforehand (maybe SNES?), but PS4 had a much smoother launch, with no real hardware hiccups and giving its fanbase exactly what it wanted.

The nihilist part of me wants to say that all launch line ups are subjective and the best one is literally whatever your favorite was, but it is noteworthy to sow just how many first party titles have been made for Switch in such a short amount of time. (MK8 Deluxe is a port, but still.)
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>>378039885

>only 1 new IP

B-BUT NINTENDO DOESN'T REHASH LOL

>splatoon 2 is literally an expansion pack for full price

HAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>378044207
PS4 and Xbone had a pretty lackluster first year, they launched with the usual Call of Duty, FIFA, AssCreed and other multiplats that were also on the last-gen consoles, they had very little in the way of good exclusives.
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>>378040442
Snipperclips though
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>>378040442

Hey Disgea 5 is great man.
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>>378039885
>Re-released WiiU game
>The gayest looking boxing game ever made
>Not out yet, derivative Mario sequel none the less
>Pretty much made for fapping, also sequel to game nobody bought
>Available on WiiU and not even very good
So this is the power of Switch.
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Why does everyone point to Zelda and MK8D? that's like pointing to The Last of Us Remastered and The Master Chief Collection and bragging about new games.
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>>378044323
SF, Dissidia Duodecim, and Theatrhythm say hi.

And Last of Us got ported within a year with next to no differences in content.
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>>378044323
Are you implying I was dumb enough to buy a Wii U? First time for me hope we get every good game from Wii U's library.
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3 ports, a motion control tech demo, and a legit mario game.
I mean, I guess?
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>>378044601
BUT NIGGA

PS4 HAD KNACK

SWITCH CAN'T TOP THAT
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>>378044971
Zelda is a new game, its just also on Wii U, it isn't a re-release like Mario Kart or TLOU.
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>>378044781
see
>>378045035
(You) have shitty bait btw
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>>378039885
>PS4, Xbone and Wii U's were way worse

That's not saying much, all of them had notoriously bad launches. Consoles having shitty launch libraries has unfortunately become an industry standard, because manufacturers know that with enough hype, idiotic consumers will buy them anyways. Anyone with a lick of sense knows to wait until actual good games come out.
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>>378039885
Pictured: actual Switch's first year lineup. Since when are non-exclusive games part of the console lineup? Might as well include FIFA at that point
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>>378039885
Counting Zelda and MK8 port is being dishonest. Splatoon and Odyssey alone are enough to sell the console to anyone with taste though so I'm not sure why you would have to.
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>>378045213
It's essentially a port. They worked on it for like 5 years on the WiiU before it was decided that they needed to port it to boost the switch sales.
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>>378045213
But you don't need to buy a Switch to play Zelda if you already have a Wii U. So if you already have a Wii U, the only new games coming out this year are Arms and Mario Odyssey.
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>>378039885
>two of those are just the same game rereleased
>two of them STILL haven't came out
>only 5 games for the switch in a year
BOTW is great though
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>>378045376
>no xenoblade
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>>378045376
So the the PS4 and the Xbone had nothing at all? Oh, sorry, I guess the PS4 had Knack. Much better.
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>>378045376
>open world Mario and two online shooters
>the state of Nintendo
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>>378045492
>two online shooters
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>>378045426
>HURR Splatoon 2 is a port
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>>378045426
But /v/ told me nobody bought a Wii U, so Zelda is a new game to far more people than not.
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>>378045486
What do you mean nothing at all? Those aren't launch games for Switch, they're year 1 games. PS4 had more than Knack 1 year after release.
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>>378044997
Last of us is more like mario kart than splatoon 2. Both being ports from previous gens. Dissidia 2 was shit and it wasnt ok then either
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>>378039885
Dreamcast, any launch that isnt dc is auto shit
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>>378045520
>implying Arms isn't an online shooter
It's not a fighting game if it's ranged combat.
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>>378045796
>UNIEL isn't a fighting game because everyone has fullscreen normals
Really made me think
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>>378045665
Good thing it's out on PC as well then
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The lineup is bad because none of the games look good. That's just me tho. Evidently I'm not the target market, and that's OK.
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>>378044207
You're forgetting about the PS4 wobble.
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>>378045869
>Modern Warfare 3 is a fighting game because everyone can hit each other with fists
See I can pretend to be retarded too
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>>378045884
>you can emulate it therefore its not an actual exclusive

Nice goalpost
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>>378045932
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>>378045705
Yeah, it got a second Call of Duty, AssCreed and FIFA. Oh and Infamous 3, can't forget that all-time classic!

They had multiplats, most of which were also on the last-gen consoles, but were sorely lacking in good exclusives.
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>>378045376
Compared to Killzone, Driveclub, Infamous, LittleBigPlanet 3 and Knack in PS4's first year. Both are pretty shit I guess, it depends on where they go from here.
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>>378040442
As opposed to the PS4's one on its launch year?
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>>378046084
I don't have a console and I play the game. Makes it pretty non-exclusive doesn't it.
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>>378040442
XC2 says hi.
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>>378039885
>Wii U game
>Shit
>Probably Sonic 2006 tier
>Probably good
>Wii U game

Ok
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>>378039885
If you didn't have a wii u, it's pretty good. But everyone on who likes to play games got a wii u. Zelda BotW was on wii u. Splatoon 2 is just more splatoon, but now you pay for online, that being said, splatoon 1 wasn't worth $60 by itself, but was worth it because of how it trickled out content and updates for a good year or so. Mario Kart 8 was on the wii u. That being said, the lineup is solid for newcomers who didn't get a wii u. under their launch line up, Splatoon HAS to come out for there summer quarter as it still has a huge market with kids. I'm personally not sicked for Arms because 60 bucks, but for a lot of people they seem okay with that, so it's fine. I guess. I feel like to a lot of people, Mario Odyssey is the first big reason to actually get a Switch, and I'm pretty sure Nintendo knows that. There marketing strategy so far is 8/10. I think it's really good. Just sucks because I'm clearly not the set demographic right now.
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>>378046267>>378046174
>this shilling
Come on guys, this is silly.
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>>378044745
Yes it is, but most of us bought it 2 years ago on the ps4
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>>378039885
It doesn't matte how lackluster the other console's first year was. Nintendo decided to release their console this late in the generation so they have to compete with libraries that have been established for years. Comparing the PS4 and Xbone launch titles to the Switch is completely pointless.

Also, I'm sure its already been mentioned but Zelda and Mario Kart are multiplats, they don't belong on that list.
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>>378039885
Two of those are Wii U games.
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>>378039885
>binged rushed botw on wiiu
> wanted to wait for all dlcs, winter to replay whole game on switch
>have this fucking urge to replay it now

Fuck this game
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>>378044781
delete this
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>>378045376
Needs a version with Rabbids Kingdom
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>>378045485
It will get delayed
>But muh december launch
Wrong, there won't be any new switch games coming out in december. Mario Odyssey will be nintendo's black Friday and Christmas title.
June: Arms
July: Splatoon 2
August: Virtual console
September: Fire emblem Warriors
October: mario rabbids
November odyssey
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>>378045730
>Last of us is more like mario kart than splatoon 2.
That implies they made TLoU remastered better than the previous version in a way.
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>>378039885
delete all childrens games and ask me again

thats right you have no games
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>>378046476
Well, PS4 doesn't have any exclusives, neither does xbox.
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>>378040442
And PS4 still doesn't have 5 exclusives worth owning 4 years latet
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>>378045197
HERE COMES THE MONEY
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>>378046445
Dude, wake up. PS4 had Bloodborne and that was it, for like a solid 2 years. The PS4 was Not worth getting until recently. Sony fuckin knew this and were hard pressed to push out anything worth while. There are totally games worth getting on the ps4 NOW. right now I have like 14 gaems and still nothing from what came out in January February except for like 2 games. Pre 2017, ps4 had no games. The meme stopped being a thing after around, meh, December-January.
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>>378046835
>It will get delayed
Unless the building they're working in burns down in what, the next two months? Then it's going to release this year.
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>>378046835
August is Rabbids.
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>>378046961
There is a huge difference between Horizon and Zelda
>Botw
Paid reviews
>Horizon
Actual reviews
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>>378039885
Next thing you know, Nintendo shows Smash 4, Hyrule Warriors Deluxe, Pokken 1.5, Mario Maker and you'd claim Nintendo won. As a Switch owner, this makes me extremely sad because the chances of this happening is pretty high.
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>>378047135
>botw
>paid reviews
>not horizon
hahahahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

Looks like somebody forgot jim cuck sterling
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>>378046835
Not that guy, but I'm still holding out that they'll be releasing something say like 2 other games, Rabbids not being one of them, not denying it exists, it's just that I doubt that Nintendo would slice out there release schedule for a pretty much purely Ubisoft development aside from probably just some contracting and checkup.
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>>378046835
>mario rabbids
This is confirmed to be August/September.

October will be something announced at E3 like Pokemon or the Zelda DLC as well as third party ports, FE Warriors could also come out in October.

Xenoblade getting delayed is a 50/50 and based mostly on the localization.
Development of X finished in early 2015 so Xenoblade 2 will have been in the works for over 2.5 years come December.

It will come out in December like X did or they'll push it to March as there's definately going to be a Mario and Sonic Winter Olympics game in February provided they didn't cancel the series (2016 sold 500k on PiiU and 700k on 3DS so it could have been cancelled).
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>>378047247
They'll win with SMO alone. People are hyped as fuck for that game.
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>>378040442
>what is XC2
>what is Fire Emblem Heroes
>what is Mario Rabbits we still no nothing about the gameplay so fuck off
>what is Puyo Tetris
>what is Fast RMX
>what is Snipperclips
>what is Bomberman R
>what is Blaster Master 0

inb4
>muh Wii U ports
if you're actually implying anybody gives a flying fuck about Wii U owners
you're more pathetic than what you're trying to make people out to be
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3 of those are Wii u games (Splatoon 2 is essentially the same as 1)
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>>378039885
friendly reminder that console war shit in 2017 is still autistic as fuck and no matter how much you argue the other side is never going to listen to you

stop making these fucking threads and just own multiple consoles to play the games you want to fucking play

you're not poor, are you? you've got a job, right?
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>>378047247
>this makes me extremely sad because the chances of this happening is pretty high.
I'd say it's fairly low for Smash and HW to get ports especially HW seeing as FE Warriors is happening.
Mario Maker doesn't work on the Switch at all because it's not dual screen and it's not the same kind of touchscreen as the DS and Wii U, the name of it escapes me.

Pokken is the only other one that could happen because they haven't released the additional characters on the Wii U version.
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>>378047000
Ok. Take exclusives out of the argument completely. How many VIDEO GAMES can you play on the Switch right now?
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>>378047445
Puyo is a multiplat, the rest are good.
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>>378039885
>rehash
>overblown eshop game
>not out for 6-7 months
>rehash
>on wii u

Wow it's fucking nothing.
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>>378047509
>Mario Maker doesn't work
Just make it so the level editor is handheld only and that's it.

>play level
>"hey I have an idea, let's make a level!"
>undock

gee that was super hard wasn't it
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>>378046476
Why does it matter that the mario kart and zelda are multiplat? People didn't buy the PS4 for its exclusives. They bought it for the multiplats that they could have bought on their PS3 but didn't dir some odd reason.
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>>378046835
>Xenoblade delayed
Maybe in Europe, but the US and Japan Version will be launched this year. Blame Nintendo of Europe for adding german Language
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>>378047649
Can I take it on the go without japanese text on the PS4?
Is the experience on the Switch any worse otherwise?
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>>378047740
>Just make it so the level editor is handheld only and that's it
Did you miss the part about the different types of touchscreen?

Also do you honestly think people want to keep on getting up and down just to switch views? It's incredibly unwieldy.
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>>378047595
Around 50, if you go by numbers. I have Zelda, Mario Kart, gonna buy D5 so that's 3. Plus ARMS stress test this week. The launch year for Switch is awesome no matter how much /v/ shitposts about it. It's not as great if you had a wii u but I never owned one. I think Nintendo timed releases really well.
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>>378047740
They could also use the gyro controls as a pointer for Mario Maker. It supposedly worked very well for World of Goo.
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>>378047509
Seriously, woahes me, I bought a wii u needs to stop. If it puts a larger library on their consol, then good. Nintendo isn't going to shove them everywhere, I think. Smartest thing they can do is put them out after a big release, say, Odyssey in Nov, port in Dec. Like they did with BotW.
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>>378046787
#babby
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It's okay for the current generation but the current generation is total and complete garbage. Congratulations for not failing special school, hiphiphurray.
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>>378046835
They're currently recording the soundtrack for Xenoblade 2
which I can absolutely assure you happens at the very end of the development cycle of any video game.
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>>378047068
>Sony knew this
Nah, normal casual gamers make up a majority of the sales. People are looking for the best platform to play the big AAA multiplat titles like batman, assassin's creed, battlefield, gta, cod, fifa, etc. xxhardcoreXXxx gamers such as ourselves xD do not even make up a tiny portion of software sales. If Uncharted's sales compared to bloodborne's sales on the PS4 wasn't a good enough recent example for you, then you've been on the internet too long and have seen relatively unpopular opinions so much that you think it's the majority. Exclusives do not move consoles. The xbone doesn't have even 1 title that /v/ even considers worthwhile of flaseflagging and shit posting and yet it sells well enough
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>>378039885
>port
>actual garbage
>quality is unknown at this point
>basically a port
>the only good game that is also on wii u

great system you got there switch cuck
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>>378047483
wow, i guess console wars that are totally not perpetuated by idorts will stop now. thanks wise anon!
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>>378046835
>Mario Odyssey will be nintendo's black Friday and Christmas title.
This is probably true, but Rabbids will be a august/september title. Wouldn't be suprised if Xenoblade was a october title
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>>378047595
But exclusives are literally the only reason to own a console. You don't argue based on how many multiplats it has, that's what a PC is for. But to answer your question I'm already playing like 5 games for the Switch.
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>>378047949
then go play the game in handheld only and put it on the fucking dock if you want your retard friends to play it at a party or something you mongoloid.

>muh different touchscreen
What the fuck am I reading??
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>>378047992
>50
>names 4
>one isn't even out yet

Is this the delusion I've heard so much about?
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>>378047949
Nintenbro who bought Mario Maker in the first place will do this. They can even advertise controller option. And Nintenbros will defend this and then still gloat about it.
>"It was really awesome of Nintendo to make Mario Maker functional with just the controller, provides more access to players, so they don't have to worry about docking or not, anyways, the tablet would just get in the way of enjoying the levels."
>"Personally, I play it undocked, I think it's the best way to play it, cause then I have the touch screen to work off of, rather than the cluncky controller."
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>>378039885
Its more considering average Nintendo lifetime libraries, to which this is more simply because of ports. We already know Nintendo development is slow as fuck and even less third parties are on board. PS4 had a ton of ports too first year, they didnt seem to count though.
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>>378048339
If you want to talk about exclusives then it still makes absolutely no sense to get a Switch right now. Doubly so if you own a Wii U.
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>>378048378
>What the fuck am I reading??
>he doesn't know about capacitive and resistive touch screens
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>>378047949
It's resistive (3DS/Wii U gamepad) and capacitive (Switch).
The only difference in use is that resistive only registers one touch point at a time and capacitive can register multiple points at once.
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>>378041257
Even the Xbox has more appeal with multiplats than the current switch selection. Deluded as fuck.
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>port
>shovelware
>rehash
>port
>port
you were saying?
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>>378039885
let's see:
>zelda botw
wii u port
>mario kart 8 deluxe
enhanced wii u port
>splatoon 2
splatoon 1 weapon and map pack
>arms
$60 joycon tech demo
>super mario odyssey
wahoo bing bing but now with sonic adventure settings
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>>378048326
I'd be suprissed if that thing came out after the long wait of XBX
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>>378047992
Dude, wii u had a meh launch, It has a great Library, but it's launch was okay, and then we waited forever for a game to come out. Switch has a solid launch, just not a launch for Wii U owners.
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>>378048504
>And Nintenbros will defend this and then still gloat about it.
You underestimate how picky Nintendorks are. See Starfox and FedForce.
Also motion controls?
On a level editor?
You'd have to be as dumb as the PS3 launch to do and accept that.
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>>378048423
I have high standards. If you go buy must play games then Switch has 2-3 which is still higher than what's on PS4.
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>>378039885
-mario kart 8 deluxe and splatoon 2 are rushed wiiu expansions
-arms is shovelware
-zelda botw is a wii u game (they also had to remove the wii u pad features from from wii u version to not make the switch version worse.)

the only real switch game is going to be mario odyssey, but its not going to be out until christmas.
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>>378039885
>2 non exclusives plus I'm not a fan of Zelda games
>2 games I just plain don't care about (splatoon and arms)
>1 game that is actually exclusive and I'm interested in
Remind me why I should care about the switch again?
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>>378048423
>Reading comprehension
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>>378048206
Sorry, I'm aware of what moves PS4 units. I ment to of handedly suggest Sony's investment in trying to apease to the gamer demographic and horribly failing. Say The Order 1886, and No Mans Sky. And a slew of other games with no release date or use to have no release date in sight, (lots of stuff from enix).
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>>378048983
Oh my, I typed drones, but they changed it to bros. I forgot that they did that.
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>>378049090
You have high standards? I really doubt that dude. If you had high standards you wouldn't be shilling this hard.

If you really think the PS4 doesn't have more than 3 exclusives worth playing you must not even like video games anymore.

Maybe go outside and do something other than video games. It will give you a fresh outlook on what there is to play :)
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>>378049380
?
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>>378049607
That's why I use dorks and nygro
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>>378039885
You do realize most people dont give a shit about Nintendo games, dont you?

You can easily find 50 people hyped for Destiny 2 for every faggot thats hyped for Odissey.
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>>378049774
I don't care about cinematic games which rules out 99% of the PS4 exclusives by default.
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>>378039885
I have a Wii U

I've played 3/5s of that list already.
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Your console is shit.
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>>378047135
>muh paid reviews
proofs plz
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>>378046961
>stay mad
No I played the game. Disappointed is more accurate, I guess.
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>>378050124
Even ruling out the

>cinematic

meme that people love to spout there are easily more than 3 exclusives. Thanks for confirming that you know nothing about video games.

Hey maybe thats why you like Nintendo so much!
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>>378050153
>HURR DURR sequels are ports
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>Average Nintendo game
"It's a fucking killer app guys!!!"

>Average Sony game
"Which game, lol?"

Nintenbros are really the worst.
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>>378050308
So what games are there then?
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>>378050308
PS4 has 17 full-retail exclusive games, some of which are import-only.
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>he bought a Wii U, it had no games lol
Or
>Switch has no games because Wii U ports lol

Which is it? Do games not exist if it was on a console you didn't buy, or do games not exist because its on a console no one bought?
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>>378050248
You know reviews are always paid if you disagree with them and legit if you agree with them. Nintendo fans, Sony fans, they're all the same about this.
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>>378050308
>there are easily more than 3 exclusives
list them
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>>378050308
Well, how else would you describe movie games? I guess walking simulators works fine too.
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>>378049090
Get your hand out of the sand, this meme is dead. Play games like the faggot you pretend to be.
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>>378050326
Splatoon is a mission/expansion pack sequel. A sequel nonetheless but not really something that strikes me as a sleeper title.
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>>378050153
>le Splatoon 2 is just a port meme.
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>>378050425
>Wii u lol have no games
meme made up cause consol wars. Perpetuated by mostly sony fanbois.
>Switch has no games
meme perpetuated by jaded wii u owners
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>>378045932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FwlK-jU8Yg
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>>378050570
>Splatoon is a mission/expansion pack sequel
No, it's just a fucking sequel.

Why are you still trying to push the "Splatoon is a port XD" meme when it's as much of a new game as any direct sequel?
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>>378050570
>Splatoon is a mission/expansion pack
What exactly is the difference between a sequel and an expansion pack to you?
Because it seems you think the two terms are interchangeable.
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>>378050418
>>378050441

Bloodborne
Nioh
Horizon (you can meme this one if you want)
Let It Die

Thats 4. Do you want me to list more? I feel like that is sufficient to prove my point that the Switch doesn't have as many games, which honestly doesn't even need proving. You can call these games shit all you want but you would just be flat out wrong.
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>>378050451
My point is that people use the term cinematic to completely dismiss a video game as total shit without having played it at all. Sure TLoU is a very cinematic game, but that doesn't make it bad in the least. It has very solid gameplay, story, visuals, and multiplayer.
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>>378050858
>It took PS4 almost 4 years to get 17 full-retail exclusive games
>None of those that were actually good launched within its first year
Really makes you think.
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>>378050858
>Do you want me to list more?
You certainly aren't proving your point here so go ahead. I mean, you can only list one freemium game, two souls like games and one of the worst open world games to date.
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>>378050968
I don't care about cinematic games. Of course, it's mostly because they suck ass but still. I could just watch youtube and get the same experience in the end.
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>>378039885
The Switch is literally a repackaged Wii U, except it can't play Wii U or Wii games, and it really doesn't have any games on it right now other than Wii U games. And I'm assuming most people who went out and bought one already have a Wii U. I really don't understand the hype surrounding it. And its not like I'm anti-Nintendo, I have a Wii U as well as a PS4 and gaming PC.

I feel like this is one of those emperor has no clothes situations. Am I the only person not taking crazy pills?
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>>378050968
It does make it bad, it does not have very solid gameplay, that's the fucking point. The gameplay is constrained by the narrative and inherent structure of the game.

Games can do more than replicate the experience of watching a film, more than present the player with a narrative in which they are little more than an observer rather than a variable. The strength of a video game comes from its interactivity and player agency, not from having highly detailed visuals and voice acting. As far as these kinds of games go, TLOU is a well-made one, but when examined on its own merits as a game its not a very good one.
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>>378050986
Here, >>378046476 this is my original post.

My point is the switch isn't competing with the PS4's launch lineup. It is competing with PS4's lineup TODAY.

As of TODAY, not 4 fucking years ago, there is absolutely no reason to buy a switch over a PS4. Especially if you own a Wii U. Why is that so fucking hard to understand?
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>>378039885
>>378045780
>The House of the Dead 2
>NFL Blitz 2000
>Soulcalibur
>TrickStyle
>Power Stone
>Ready 2 Rumble Boxing
>Virtua Fighter 3tb
>Sega Rally 2
>Dynamite Cop
>Sega Bass Fishing

wrong kid died bros!
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>>378040442
If you didn't give a fuck about souls shit, PS4 didn't have anything to play till 2015.

Xbone STILL has nothing to play.
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>>378039885
>ARMS
more like

alms for a gaemless console
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>>378050968
>My point is that people use the term cinematic to completely dismiss a video game as total shit without having played it at all
That's because cinematic games have always been games that slap a boring and generic story on to basic games and present it as something groundbreaking.

I think the only "cinematic" game that at the very least tried to do it correctly was Star Fox and look how that turn out?
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>>378051178
>can't play wii u games
>and it really doesn't have any games on it right now other than Wii U games
????
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>>378051271
Have you played the game?

Have you interacted with the environments within the game to make gameplay happen?

This is exactly what I am talking about dude. You dismiss everything in the game because it is cinematic. If you have actually played it you would know that there is a lot of interaction with level environments that alters the way you can play.

It is a very solid video game all around.
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>>378051449
He thinks that the Wii U library consisted of two games.
Two games that were also not Wii U games.
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>>378051309
But the PS4 is a piece of shit, it's an underpowered console that doesn't compare to its predecessors, including the PS3. There's absolutely no reason to buy such outdated hardware in 2017 when its games are just going to get remasters on the PS5.
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>>378051572
>its okay when the ps2 was underpowered
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>>378051486
>Have you interacted with the environments within the game to make gameplay happen?
Are you really acting like one of the most common parts of a video game is anything special?
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>>378051486
I doubt there are many nintendo faggots in this board that have played games like Uncharted, TLOU, RDR, etc.

They usually stick to games released on Nintendo hardware and maybe PC but thats about it.
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>>378051309
>My point is the switch isn't competing with the PS4's launch lineup. It is competing with PS4's lineup TODAY.
And its doing just fine so far, it's still sold out and the software is selling well.

If you want to make a direct, fair comparison, which is what we're doing, however, you compare the launch lineups and first year. By your logic, PS3 blows the PS4 out of the water because PS4 has to compete with what PS3 has TODAY, a decade of games. As of TODAY, there is absolutely no reason to buy a PS4 over a PS3.

PS4 took three years to be worth buying, Switch could be worth it within its first year. You're just deflecting and rationalizing, insisting that we can't POSSIBLY compare their launch lineups.
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>>378051572
Ok now i know you're delusional.

>underpowered

We are still comparing the Switch and the PS4 right?

And there absolutely is a reason to buy it, as you said 17 exclusive reasons to buy it over the Switch. How many exclusives are out right now on the Switch? Shouldn't take you that long to count them.
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>>378051629
No, the post I replied to specifically stated that TLoU lacked that feature, which is just flat out wrong.

Man, arguing with you guys is like talking to a wall.
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>>378051486
It just railroads the player and presents them with set pieces and theme park rides between the monotonous waist-high cover shooting segments with disappointing AI. It is style and presentation over substance.

Again, as far as "cinematic" games go, it's probably among the most well-made, but it's still not a good game in and of itself.
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>>378040442
Actually, it lacks Xenoblade 2 for example.
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>>378051724
>Switch could be worth it within its first year

So you agree that as of now it is not worth a purchase?
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>>378051913
>the post I replied to specifically stated that TLoU lacked that feature
But it didn't, it said that the game had limited interactivity. Something you just proved by holding a basic video game feature on a pedestal.
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>>378051995
Have you played the fucking game? Yes or no?
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>>378051787
>It's only fair to compare these two platforms in a vacuum so the one I like looks better!
PS4 is woefully underpowered too. The Switch is at least portable, whats the PS4's excuse?

>>378051913
>specifically stated that TLoU lacked that feature
And where the fuck did I say that? Oh, right, I didn't, you're just making shit up and arguing it because you have no response and can't elaborate on why the gameplay is good beyond parroting "it's good" over and over.
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>>378051607
The PS2 was as powerful as it needed to be, it had what was most important in a console - games.
>>378051787
I'm comparing it to everything, really. The Switch is a hybrid, you can take it with you, and it's powerful for what it is. The PS4? Not so much. It doesn't compare to PC and it doesn't have the advantages the Switch has.
>as you said 17 exclusive reasons to buy it over the Switch.
Like I said, don't care about movie games. Especially when all of its upcoming games are just more movie games. I get why people are hyped for The Last of Us 2 but why would anyone be hyped for it if they care about gameplay? Nintendo's first party support is vastly superior to Sony's trash. Not to mention how much Japan is going to support the Switch.
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>>378045197
honestly im not even mad at this post, knack was bretty gud when I played the demo at BestBuy
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>>378039885
>Zelda is also on the wii u
>Mario Kart 8 is also on the wii u
>Splatoon and ARMS look neat but it can't sustain the console by themselves
>Mario is at the end of the year

Not to mention xenoblade 2 and VC not out yet..

Nintendo better announce those at E3. I like Nintendo games and all, but fuck this company.
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>>378041721
Wii's first year was pretty shit.
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>>378052252
it didnt have games during its first year
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>>378046018
But yeah literally cant hit people with fists in MW3... Have you even played a videogame before?
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>>378052058
Fair enough. What would be an example of interactivity that you would not consider "limited"?

I just got done playing BotW on Wii U, so that would probably be a good example. However there aren't any other games I can think of that do it to that level.
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>>378052115
>Y-y-you just didn't play it because you don't agree that the game is AWSUM!
Every single time. Don't actually expand upon your arguments and explain why you think I'm incorrect, just insist I didn't play the game because I don't agree with you!

Yes, I played it, I didn't like it. The shooting was fine, it was par for the course, no better or worse than any other TPS I've played in the last decade. Everything else about it was a slog. Too many PONR, a few times I'd want to clear out an area before going back to loot only to have the area now blocked off, too many faux-cutscenes in which I have to sit there and listen to dialogue while "playing" by walking or doing some other painfully mundane task. Again, it simply does not play to the strengths of the medium. Games can do more than present the player with a narrative.
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>>378052252
>The PS2 was as powerful as it needed to be

Wow, you couldn't be any more hypocritical if you tried. PS2's shitty hardware gimped many games that would have looked and performed better on XB or GC, basically every multiplat, but PS2 was generally the lead platform for parity. Many PS2 games were 240p or 360p and had to be upscaled, whereas GC and XB were capable of native 480i/p and XB could even do 720 on a small handful of titles.
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>>378045796
>Dhalsim is a projectile character because his limbs stretch

ARMS is more or less if Punch-Out and Power Stone had a baby and all the characters were Monkey D. Luffy.
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>>378052876
even the dreamcast had official vga support. i dont know what sony did to the ps2 but it looks like shit on modern screens no matter what you try.
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>>378052876
>Sonic Heroes had to have several textures and effects removed and downgraded to run properly
>still had slowdown and more glitches than other versions
It's hilarious that the PS2 couldn't even handle that.
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>>378052570
What's funny is that this has happened twice now. First with The Last of Us, and then Bloodborne. PS3 and PS4 has suffered from the same problems. No games. People still say it's a meme but if that's the case where are the exclusives the PS1 and PS2 had? Sony drones cannot accept that Sony as a company has been getting worse over the years or acknowledge that their past consoles were better.
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>>378053145
I always think how wasteful it is for Sony to sit on so many classic and great IPs.
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>>378052526
Which is why BOTW is a notable and important game, it pushed the boundaries and typical feature set of an open-world game rather than just playing it safe and delivering more of the same.

TLOU is just restrictive on all fronts. You can't go anywhere the game doesn't want you to go, you can't do anything the game doesn't want you to do in that moment. It's almost entirely linear, it focuses more on its presentation and narrative than on its gameplay. The player is generally following directions rather than making them up themselves, the player isn't making many independent decisions.
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>>378052876
This.

PS2 was able to get by on less because brand recognition. Nintendo got the wrong message out of that because clearly Sony just happens to be the one to be the trendsetter, regardless of the competition being more convenient or not.
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>>378053145
Bloodborne is at least a good game though, TLOU is just more of the same tensionless themepark rides.
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>>378053361
>Which is why BOTW is a notable and important game, it pushed the boundaries and typical feature set of a Zelda game rather than just playing it safe and delivering more of the same.

FTFY
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>>378053562
>and typical feature set of a Zelda game
Name another game with that level of world interaction.
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>>378053486
Nintendo just does their own thing, they didn't take anything away from 6th gen beyond the fact that continually pushing better and better hardware was not going to be sustainable any longer. Sony obviously didn't take that away from it wither, because the PS3 lost them billions of dollars due to its ridiculous hardware.
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>>378047649
>have to put in a disc every time I want to play it on PS4
no thanks.
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>>378040442
But that's just the first year, it's gonna keep snowballing from there.
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>>378053562
Yes, it did that for both Zelda games and open-world games in general. I know you want to downplay the game because consolewars and all that, but it did in fact push the open-world formula forward with its focus on systems, physics and environmental interaction, rather than visuals.
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>>378039885
Bone and PS4 had multiplats like GTAV in their first year.

You also had Black Flag, Injustice, Killzone, MGSV, Infamous, FFXIV, Watch Dogs, Last of Us Remaster, Master Chief Collection, Rare Replay, Diablo III, Destiny, and Guilty Gear Xrd, all in the first year. Actually, now that I've looked it up, their first year wasn't bad at all.

WiiU had Pikmin 3, W101, 3D World, Deus Ex Directors Cut, MonHun 3 Ultimate, Bamham City Definitive Version, newSMBU, Rayman Legends, and other stuff, I forget.


Bayo2, MK8, and Dong Freeze all came second year iirc.

Yeah, I can't agree OP. Those 5 are the only notable games on Switch, two of which are ports of the previous console, which means that if you wanna include BotW and MK8, you gotta allow TLoU, Injustice, MCC, Rare Replay, etc... in which case, it's a no contest win for Xbone/PS4, especially when you consider big hitters like GTAV and Destiny. WiiU wins easy, some of those 3rd party ports like Deus Ex and BamHam were the best version of their games, and MonHun 3U is probably the best MomHun game. The 3rd party support beefed up all three console's first year, Switch totally lacks that, and all their first party stuff fails to impress me.
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It's a legit first year but it's not too much stuff I want. Too many multiplayer games released too quickly. I need more single player shit or at least mp shit I can play solo like mh or pokeman
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>>378053715
It lost them billions of dollars because the fucking Cell processor was trying to blow the competition out of the water when multicore processing was seen as a new and exotic thing and they went about engineering in all the wrong places.

R&D is what fucked up Sony during the PS3, because they spent so much trying to come up with a CPU standard that tried to do so much and promised so little.
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>>378047740
>>378048000
Without a stylus, a grid based gamemaker system just doesn't seem like a good idea.

Especially with motion controls, This isn't FP aiming.
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>>378054102
>Bayo2, MK8, and Dong Freeze all came second year iirc.
3rd year. You have to count the year when the Wii U released. There's a reason why people always say the Wii U had a drought for 2 years.

>>378054295
>trying to come up with a CPU standard that tried to do so much and promised so little.
You mean promised so much and did so little.
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>>378054686
>You have to count the year when the Wii U released.

Which was 2012. Those titles came out in 2014.
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>>378054574
The tiles are fat enough to make regular touch work.
Using the dpad over a grid isn't terrible either. Worked for sim city snes and advance wars
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>>378054686
>3rd year
Kart was 2nd year
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>>378039885
You can count the switch's lineup on your hand...
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Lol didn't Sony Ponys just last year get their first game? How is it selling :))))))))))))))))))))
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>>378055070
That would make you a freak if you have more than 5 fingers on one hand, dude.
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>>378054686
Don't tell me you count E3 reveals as part of a console's life cycle, anon...
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Anyone in yurop wondering why Disgaea 5 aint out on the eshop yet?
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>>378055489
And people were laughing about the possibility the Switch outsells the Wii. Nobody laughed when news sites reported the PS4 was on pace to outsell the PS2, and now that its fallen behind pace nobody bats an eye.
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>>378052321
Yeah, no
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>>378041721
3ds lineup was fucking shit

n64 had two fucking games

kill yourself
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>>378055694
Switch will easily outsell the Wii. Portability + motion controls = $$$. Switch is going to have a long life with zero competition.
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>people seriously forgetting the 3DS launch line-up
That was the worst.
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>>378056240
It was kind of alleviated by the fact that you had the DS games to play and ambassador games.
That's why a lot of people don't remember it well.
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>>378052321
>Twilight Princess
>Metroid Prime 3
>Super Mario Galaxy
>Mario Strikers
>Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
>Super Paper Mario
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>>378039885
>Mario Kart
fucking port of a Wiiu game.

>Arms
I don't know if this is a meme or not? Because arms honestly looks like shit. Yet fags are hyped over a glorified wiisport title.

>Splatoon2
Call of Duty Nintendo style!
It is basically the same as the last game with a few tweaks.

>Zelda
Good game, but also on the Wiiu. If you own a Wiiu already, there is no point to buy a Switch for this one game.

>Mario
Have seen next to nothing of It, still waiting to see more.

Not a strong first year lineup no matter how you try to spin it.
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>Don't care about Souls
>Literally no games on the PS4 I'm interested in as a result

Disgaea 5 was the sole reason for me to get one, but now that Complete is on Switch, it's pointless.
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>>378056151
The 3DS had backwards compatibility so your 3DS wouldn't be completely useless while you wait for games.

The N64 had Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye and Star Fox 64.
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>>378054686
Those came 2nd year. The whole, what, two months the WiiU was out in 2012 are part of the first year, or the "launch window." As the launch window refers to the time between the console launch, and the holiday season, as most consoles are releases right in time for Xmas.

Which would be equivalent to the Switches say... first two months.


3rd year, WiiU got Smash, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Fatal Frame, Yoshi, and XCX.

4th year it was SFZ, Pokken... and... that's really it. It woulda gotten BotW as well, but it was intentionally delayed for Switch.
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>>378056536
That's a shit argument everybody already had a ds to play ds games on.

People forgot because it got games later. People already forgot about the ps4 pitiful first years because they got a handful recently.
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>>378056562
>>Super Paper Mario
Huh, for some reason it feels like that came out later in the Wii's life.
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>>378039885
the wiiu because fucking three of them are already on it
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>>378056819
Smash Bros. released in 2014, dingus.
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>>378053361
That's because TLOU has actual level design and functional combat, not a huge wasteland filled with puzzles that a fucking 3 year old could solve

It also has amazing multiplayer, not that you would know any of this tho
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>>378056819
>3rd year
Toad Treasure Tracker

>4th year it was SFZ, Pokken... and... that's really it.
TMS FE, Color Splash.
No matter how many people meme that they're bad, they're really not.
FE was critically acclaimed and Color Splash sold well.
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>>378042371
Top 5 games for Switch.

The Switch is a super indie machine aside from the 1st year AAA titles from Nintendo; which is pretty great.

BotW is a GOTY contender; MK8D is still awesome despite being a port. ARMS looks to be great. Splatoon 2 will be amazing. Mario Odyssey will likely be great. And we still MIGHT get Xenoblade 2 in 2017 (according to Nintendo; but it will probably be 2018)

Thats a solid 1st year all memeing aside.
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>>378056993
>BoTW is three games
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>>378056737
You sound like a dolt, but i get your point.

how strong a lineup seems just depends on your preferences.
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>>378057030
>That's because TLOU has actual level design and functional combat
You really think that corridors and enemies with worse aim than a stormtrooper fall under that don't you.
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>>378057073
>Mario Kart 8 with extra shit not on Wii U makes it a new game

I'll give wiggle room for Splatoon 2, but I can understand if he's underwhelmed by it.
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>>378057042
>and Color Splash sold well.

It totally flopped though
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>>378057294
>>Mario Kart 8 with extra shit not on Wii U makes it a new game
Ask yourself this.
Is it available on the Wii U.
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>>378057030
> filled with puzzles that a fucking 3 year old could solve
The most difficult puzzle TLOU had was right near the end where Joel had to swim two different boxes and manipulate an elevator so Ellie could get over to the other side. Let's not act TLOU is for enlightened PhDs in gaming now.
>That's because TLOU has actual level design and functional combat
Not him but TLOU's level design was average.
Functional combat? Ellie and human AI was buggy as shit.
>It also has amazing multiplayer
Which no one recognizes even with all the hype and awards it got, that means it's shit

>not that you would know any of this tho
Of course they wouldn't, all you just said were exaggerations and lies
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>>378054102
The third party support on Wii U did fuckall to help sales and I will never understand those that think the opposite.

People don't buy Nintendo systems for third party games. They buy them for Nintendo games and I'm sorry but Nintendo land and Super Mario Wii U was not enough.
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>>378056968
>That's a shit argument everybody already had a ds to play ds games on.
And that's why the 3DS did so poorly early on, and sold less than half lifetime of what the DS did.

>People already forgot about the ps4 pitiful first years because they got a handful recently.
Depends on your standards. Most people aren't PC gamers, so access to the next gen multiplats was reason enough to buy a PS4, that's why it's sold so well. I know Nintendo fans like to meme "they bought a new console for Netflix? Lel" but people were in fact playing games, you just didn't count them cause they weren't exclusive. But GTAV, TLoU, Injustice, Killer Instinct, MGSV, and Destiny are in fact all games, and games that came to PS4 and Xbone within the first year.

They might not count for you and your console wars, but they count for the people who care about PLAYING games, not shitposting their list of exclusives and Metacritic scores
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>>378057412
Reading comprehension, buddy.
Why would I ask myself a question I already answered?
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>>378057068
Why does everybody ignore Fire Emblem Warriors? Is it because it's a musou game? Still, I wish we would get Dragon Quest this year.
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>>378057294
>I'll give wiggle room for Splatoon 2
There's no "wiggle room" to give because it's a brand-new fucking game
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>>378046961
you mean that game I have on my WiiU?
and PC
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>>378057634
Is it on the Wii U.
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>>378057007
Was it, I can't remember. I bought a WiiU bundle with MK8 right before Smash came out, so it all blurs to me.
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>>378057412
Ultra Street Fighter 2 isn't on XBox or PS3, let alone released in arcades even though a 98% of the content is recycled.

Does that make Ultra Street Fighter 2 a brand new game?
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>>378057525
Third party sells well enough when it's good. Capcom titles all make bank. Rayman sells too. Same for dq. Definitely sonic when it's decent like colors.
Wiiu had garbage third party shit at the start. Zombieu? Get the fuck out.
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>>378057267
I already know you didn't play the last of us, no need to make it more obvious

>>378057428
Those aren't puzzles, they're loading screens
The game has none, it's to not break you out of the experience that's it

>Functional combat? Ellie and human AI was buggy as shit.
Ellie is there for the story, that's her role
The AI for enemies was the best I've seen in a game so far
5 videos of some rare bug you've seen on youtube a broken AI system does not make
I've played the game 3 times already and the AI does it's job very well, you will die for making mistakes

>Which no one recognizes even with all the hype and awards it got, that means it's shit
Priceless logic, absolutely spotless

>Of course they wouldn't, all you just said were exaggerations and lies

That's what people do here when they shit on the last of us because they can't play one of the finest SP games ever made

And hey the MP ain't that bad either
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>>378057525
I didn't say it helped sales, I said the games were great. Far better than the Switch's 3rd party games in terms of quality desu.

Marketing affects the sales of a product most of all, not quality or libraries. People are stupid, they will buy literal trash if you pitch it to them just right.
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>>378039885
>2 Wii U ports
>Wii Boxing with a bit more effort put in it
>Splatoon expansion

The only title that matters at all for the Switch this year is Odyssey, and it 1) isn't coming out until at least the end of the year and 2) is only 1 game. When the Wii U first came out people on here were talking about how great its first year was, and we know how that turned out. Nobody here in their right mind should be buying the Switch right now. It needs a price drop+remodel+more games first.
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>>378057585
Those are literally all games previous consoles had.
Fuck off tripnigger don't respond to me
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>>378057585
Pretty much this

Most people don't game on PC's, and those that do spent their time begging for exclusives and talking about how PC is better
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>>378057812
WiiU also had Deus Ex, MonHun, and Bamham though, and all those were great iterations of their respective games.
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>>378057709
DLC went on for about a year or two, that's probably why your memory of its launch is a blur.
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>>378057854
>The AI for enemies was the best I've seen in a game so far
You couldn't make it more obvious you haven't played the game.
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>>378057585
>so access to the next gen multiplats was reason enough to buy a PS4
Is that why they bought these last gen games?
>GTAV, TLoU, Injustice, Killer Instinct, MGSV, and Destiny
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I like Nintendo for their fun games.
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>>378057981
Ok, so those don't count, but BotW and MK8D on Switch totally do, right?
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>>378058121
Name a better AI in a game
>inb4 fear
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>>378057854
>Those aren't puzzles, they're loading screens
So TLOU has no puzzles got it, they're all loading screens
>Ellie is there for the story
So TLOU has no functional combat, got it
>The AI for enemies was the best I've seen in a game so far
more lies
>Priceless logic, absolutely spotless
Nobody ever plays TLOU for the multiplayer
>That's what people do here when they shit on the last of us
Nobody shits on TLOU in terms of cinematics and story, it's what drove Sony to mimic it with everything in the first place because of its success
But it's perfectly fine to shit on its gameplay because it's derivative.
Hence the meme Sony only makes movies not games.
>and the AI does it's job very well
The AI is average for what it does but they still hide with their butts exposed even if you don't use your sensory skills.
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>>378058215
Last time I checked MK8D had significant changes made to the game and BoTW was developed in tandem.

Meanwhile the games you listed were outright released prior to those consoles.
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>>378040442
PS4 games in the first year
>CoD Ghosts
>Battlefield 4
>Knack
>Killzone Shadow Fall
>Last of Us Remastered

Xbone games in the first year
>CoD Ghosts
>Battlefield 4
>Dead Rising 3
>Killer Instinct
>Um...

Switch games in the first year
>Breath of the Wild
>Bomberman
>Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
>Puyo Puyo Tetris
>Arms
>Splatoon
>Mario Odyssey
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>>378058163
Idk, how many people bought a Switch to play WiiU ports? And are STILL begging for more WiiU ports of games like:
Smash 4
Pokken
Mario Maker
Xenoblade X
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>>378057525
The third party support on Wii U was beyond shit though. All the games were old ports/buggy both, not to mention the infamous ME3 (they sold the 3rd game at $60 on Wii U while the other consoles got the trilogy for the same price).
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>>378058216
BotW. Really, the AI was promised to be good but they didn't deliver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF0EaH73ee4
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>>378058373
Not him but there's actually a lot.
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>>378058350
This
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>port
>wildcard
>good
>good
>port

Two games isn't enough to make the Switch worth it's $370 price tag.
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>>378058323
hahaha
Hilarious how obsessed people are with making the last of us look bad here
No other corner of the internet calls the game shit, just /v/ because it's mostly nintendo and PC users on here
The jealously and shitposting continues, even 4 years after the game came out
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>>378058350
If you're counting multiplats and last gen games throw up Disgaea 5 for the Switch too.
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>>378058520
>$370 price tag.
where the fuck do you live
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>>378058324
Actually, BotW was ready to launch in late 2015, but was pushed back to meet a Switch launch. It even had WiiU exclusive features like the inventory screen on the tablet removed for this reason.

It's a WiiU titled, ported to Switch.

TLoU upscaled the resolution, and made the game a lot prettier, which for a game focused on story and visuals, is as signifcant as adding a battle mode and new characters to a multiplayer focused game like MK8.
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>>378058520
BotW is a dual-launch, not port. Its just as much a Switch game as a Wii U title.

Few are buying a Wii U for BotW, it may as well be considered a Switch title.
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>>378058449
Last of us is still one of the best singleplayer games ever made
What is there is still incredible
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>>378046835
>August: Virtual console

It wouldn't surprise me at this point.
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>>378058216
Zelda BOTW let me explain.
The bokoblins, the first enemy you encounter in the game, are made to be easy to fight 1v1.
However if you encounter them in a group, if you don't know what you're doing you're dead.
>kick bombs back at you
>light their weaps on fire if there's a fire source anywhere, doesn't matter if it's a burning weapon, a campfire, etc
>if you just observe them, they'll tell stories among themselves, hunt boards and cook meat
>will learn on the fly. if they see that a bomb explodes on their friend when their friend tries kicking it, they'll avoid it when you throw it next time. if they see you shooting the red barrels repeatedly, they'll throw it at you
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>>378058665
>dual-launch
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>>378058750
Yeah, no. AI is fucking important in a game. I don't care what anybody says. Developers have no excuses for bad AI in modern AAA games.The Last of Us doesn't get a pass just because it won GOTY awards.
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>>378058820
The combat in BOTW is broken tho?
But hey that's all nice stuff
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>>378058643
>BotW was ready to launch in late 2015
Going to have to provide some evidence there kiddo.

>is as signifcant as adding a battle mode and new characters to a multiplayer focused game like MK8.
Yeah no. Ultimately it's the exact same game with no changes or additions beyond the DLC.

Putting it on the same level as the additional items, reworked Kart stats, new characters, items and karts as well as battle mode just goes to show how deluded you are.
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>>378058562
>no arguments
okay

funny that you claim jealousy even though I praised TLOU's cinematics and story
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>>378058665
It's not, it's a WiiU title. Switch version adds NOTHING to the experience.

At least TPWii added motion controls, and that is STILL accepted as a GCN game ported to Wii. Idk why you're trying to change the narrative for BotW.

If anything, this proves how poor the Switch's first year really is, otherwise you'd have no problem accepting BotW as a WiiU port, and letting it go.
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>>378058938
>The combat in BOTW is broken tho?
The combat in BoTW is actual combat.
In TLoU nothing really matters in combat.
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>>378058932
A pass on what? Not being perfect? Nothing is.

>>378058971
You did because you can get that from watching it on youtube
The gameplay tho, you obviously didn't experience
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Stop replying to the Sonybros tripfag
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>>378040442
The PS4 only had 1 game until a shit ton of great jap ones came out this year and the Xbone still has none
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>>378058562
This isn't a rebuttal
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I'm comparing it to the current lineup for Wii U and PS4. They are competing for my time, so I will compare it to other games I could currently be playing. Nintendo doesn't get a free break just because they messed up and need to redo their advertising to sell Wii U games to people who thought the Wii U was a bad system.
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>>378039885
they all have blue eyes, cmon a little representation for us brownies? jeez
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>>378059085
A pass on being mediocre. You fanboys cannot try to meme away the flaws of The Last of Us or the fact Naught Dog lied to players about its features and AI.
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>>378058520
>Implying the PS4 and Xbone didn't launch with a fuckton of ports
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>>378059058
https://youtu.be/T15-xfUr8z4?t=48m45s

Here's some actual facts for you, not that this or anything would change your mind
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>>378059175
>Nintendo doesn't get a free break
No shit, you're doing the exact opposite and are unfairly comparing a console that had just released to one that has been out for a few years.
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>>378058591
America.
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>>378059229
Hilarious.
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>>378058970
Ok, so it doesn't count cause Nintendo isn't doing it. Cool.
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>>378059175
Why would you ever bother with any console but the ps2 then? Objectively best library.

Fucking retard reasoning.
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>>378058665
Why do you think the Wii U version was delayed?
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>>378059021
It added better graphics and portability. Came out same day.

Yes, it was developed as Wii U title originally but was pushed for Switch.

Nobody is buying the inferior Wii U version unless they already have a Wii U and want to save money (or arent upgrading to Switch yet)

Its a dual-title. Its as much Switch as Wii U. Its not a straight port newbie.
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>>378050248
The leak of Mario x Rabbids financial plan already had a cover and headlines for some gaming magazines and I seriously doubt the game is already finished and ready to review.
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>>378059172
People here hate on the last of us no matter what
I'm not stupid enough to think arguing with people who's goal is not to argue normally, but to just shit on a game for no reason is a good use of time

>>378059224
I'll just be happy a game like the last of us exists in this day and age
From what I saw in Uncharted 4, the AI in the last of us 2 should deliver what 1 didn't, which is pretty exciting
We shall see, I hope they don't fuck it up
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>>378059229
>literally says that there's a lot of freedom and proceeds to list the several methods of combat
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>>378059337
>console that had just released to one that has been out for a few years

It's not my fault Nintendo is late to the party (again).
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>>378048589
What multi plats you retarded little shit?
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do you think we will get colonial marines on the switch?
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>>378059346
Why would you buy that?
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>>378059368
He's right tho, people like you are annoying because you deny facts and live in a bubble
Pretty sad really
By the way, are you mad he called the only game on your system out?
Wait, that's also on the WiiU
Hilarious, nevermind then
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>>378039885
From the perspective of someone who is more than a fair-weather Nintendo fan (ie you owned a Wii U), BotW and MK8D are ports. Splatoon "2" looks like a map pack expansion to a game you may not even be interested in, and ARMS looks like a Punch-out reskin in the same color-vomit art style that they've been pushing so hard as of late.

Odyssey is the only thing remotely good looking, and yeah, 1 game for the first year is basically par for the course. It's not "bad" per se, especially when the others did no better, but it's certainly not good.
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>>378040442
im an idort and there's barely like 5-7 games that are actually good that come out each year
dont kid yourself

anything else is bargain bin sale tier
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>>378059401
Where's that proof sonny jim?
And are you still really trying to say a little bit of dressing up is the same as adding more content and reworking Kart stats?
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>>378059590
>People here hate on the last of us no matter what
>I'm not stupid enough to think arguing with people who's goal is not to argue normally, but to just shit on a game for no reason is a good use of time
Still not an argument, newfag
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>>378059729
Joycons aren't comfortable and the portability is useless to me.
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>>378059729
Because the Switch doesn't come with a """"""real"""""" controller even though it does, so he's pretending EVERYONE just HAS to buy that too
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>>378059590
>the AI in the last of us 2 should deliver what 1 didn't
Really? That's what you believe? Because AI haven't improved for decades now, what makes you think Naughty Dog, who previously lied about "great AI" and then didn't deliver, and didn't answer when people asked about it, would improve the AI in the sequel? It's the same bullshit developers have lied about a thousand times before.
>>378059734
He was so wrong even leddit called him out on it, so yeah, no.
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>>378059872
>Joycons aren't comfortable
But you don't own a Switch
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>>378059467
The graphics are identical in both games. It only upscaled the resolution to 900p, and ran better after the update.

If anything, the fact that the Switch version needed a post launch update to help it perform better proves it's a port.

Portability is something the console does, it's got nothing to do with the software.

Less people buying the WiiU version doesn't change the fact that it's a WiiU port.

You can't have a game MADE for two consoles with two different architectures. It's always MADE for one, and ported to another. This was clearly seen last gen with the 360 and PS3. In the case of BotW, it was clearly ported to Switch as it was MADE for WiiU, development began there. Launch date doesn't matter, what matters is the console it's native to. It's a WiiU port, you moving goalposts or changing definitions won't change the fact.
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>>378039885
BoTW is a medicore game.

You've literally never played an open world game in your life if you think its the best of the genre.
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Port

Will be bad but Nintendo fanboys will defend it anyway(just like Splatoon)

Will be good

Most definitely started out as a port but upgraded last minute when they realized the Switch wouldn't release on it's almost 99% confirmed Holiday 2016 release date

Good game but its still a port.
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>>378059824
Why would I argue with children?

>>378059778
The problem with Nintendo is simple, their userbase is actually much older than they realize

But what they do is they make games for babies which are too damn easy and brainless, much more than their amazing classics which made people love their games in the first place

I also don't see ARMS as anything but a tech mode really, seems absurd to pay for something like that, it just doesn't seem deep at all, so far
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>>378060098
It's a hell of a lot better than anything that's come out in recent years.
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>>378059872
>I don't like the controller it comes with, so that means the price tag is $370 for everyone else

I guarantee you've never held the controller anyway. The two halves in the plastic shell are a "real" controller, you hold it in exactly the way you would the pro controller. Only downside is the lack of a proper Dpad.
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I really don't get people being buttmad over:
> WHY YOU BUY DIS SHIT CONSOLE
> MUH CONSOLE IS GREAT SHUTUP

Both parties look retarded from the outside. Both suffer from buyer's remorse.
Get over it. Pick a platform. Enjoy it.
Source: I bought XboneS and I am fairly happy. I think about buying Switch for ARMS and SMT V.
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>>378060106
>Will be bad but Nintendo fanboys will defend it anyway(just like Splatoon)
These ain't Sonygros you're talking about.
Just look at how they ate up Horizon and the Nintendorks abandoned Star Fox.
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>>378060051
>the fact that the Switch version needed a post launch update to help it perform better proves it's a port.
The Wii U version got the same updates and performance improvements, genius.
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>>378060098
>You've literally never played an open world game in your life if you think its the best of the genre
But he didn't say it was
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>>378059809
I've never played TLoU, so I can't argue for or against it. But adding some new characters and a battles mode to a game isn't anything to sing praise over. Didn't you say TLoU PS4 had exclusive DLC? Why doesn't that count. Likewise, Deus Ex and Bamham WiiU added far more content and exclusive functionality than MK8D did, do those not count either?
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>>378059925
>reddit is right when I need it to be
Amazing
Nothing that guy said was wrong just so you know, he doesn't deal in fairly tales like many here do

>Really? That's what you believe?
I told you where I'm getting that from, Uncharted 4 where the AI is very impressive
At least read posts to the full before replying to them anon
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>>378060286
No it didn't
It got the same content changes. Performance for the Wii U version hasn't changed at all
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>>378060118
>Why would I argue with children
Just keep replying to me then. That will definately prove you don't want to argue.
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>>378060189
>irrelevant ivan chimes in with his useless 2 cents
lmao fuck off, retard
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>>378060286
Did it? I never bothered to play mine again after I beat it.
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>>378059778
>and ARMS looks like a Punch-out reskin in the same color-vomit art style that they've been pushing so hard as of late.

I was with you until this point.

Punch-Out isn't free range, it's pattern recognition. Literally the only thing it has in common with Punch-Out is "Left Punch" and "Right Punch" buttons.
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>>378060186
Spiderman 2, Infamous games, Sunset overdrive
All better games
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>>378060404
Yes, it did, performance was noticeably better after each update that was reported to improve it. It runs more poorly than the Switch version in general, but it got the same updates and they improved performance, you are 100% objectively incorrect.
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>>378060408
Thanks I will
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>>378060402
>he doesn't deal in fairly tales like many here do
lol. He thinks he knows better than veterans that spent decades making games, I would say that's living in la la land. He's worse than egoraptor, at least egoraptor knows he's a retard.
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>>378060460
To be fair I haven't really followed ARMS because I dislike the art style that much. I also find it really hard to get behind purely competition-based games that pit two players against each other and that's the entire gameplay. It seems extremely shallow. If it was $10 on eShop or something but asking $60 for that kind of experience is way overpriced when I'm mostly looking for single player experiences (crafted worlds, stories, etc)
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>>378059434
>>378059337
I should be more clear. They will need to beat out the other things that I could be playing right now on any other console or PC. Since I've played most of the PS2 games I want, they hold less weight since I probably wouldn't choose to play them either. However, PS4 is hitting its prime and Wii U just got what could be game of the year. Meanwhile, Switch only has Splatoon in the near future and maybe Arms if it turns out to be good. Up to this point it has been nothing but a portable Wii U with the future promise of paid online, which is really not a good sell to someone who had a Wii U.
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How come Nintendo get to have daily shill threads?
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>>378060460
>and ARMS looks like a Punch-out reskin in the same color-vomit art style that they've been pushing so hard as of late.

Please leave and go back to your adult game for mature gamers.
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>>378060590
The updates did not improve performance on the Wii U version. DF did a video comparison and there's no change

At the end of the day, they shelved a game that was ready for release in 2015 in order to port it to Switch. Switch is a port. You're acting like an idiot. It doesn't make it a lesser game just because it's a port. It does mean it wasn't developed with that console in mind, however.
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>>378060637
You know better tho?
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>>378059778
>Splatoon "2" looks like a map pack expansion
No, it fucking doesn't. When will this tired meme end? I don't own the first game and have little interest in this one, but it's a sequel, period. No one called Titanfall 2 an expansion pack because it reused some maps and weapons.

>ARMS looks like a Punch-out reskin
No, it doesn't. Its an entirely new game. All games based on the sport of boxing are not the same thing, you blathering moron.
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>>378060653
Anyone with a brain can tell you Punch-Out!! doesn't play like a boxing game, much less a fighting game with 3D movement

You don't have to watch a single clip of ARMS to get that.

>>378060759
>Quoting an opinion you don't like means it's their viewpoint.
Don't shoot the messenger, dumbfuck.
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>>378060790
More than him? Sure. More than Nintendo? Never. You have to be a special breed of retard to think you know more than experts. That's the kind of guy he is. If leddit calls you out on it and even then you can't admit you were wrong then you're a complete failure.
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>>378060759
There's nothing wrong with some color, but Splatoon and ARMS are so highly contrasting and oversaturated it's disgusting. It's not visually appealing, at least not to me, and it has nothing to do with what age groups I think they're targetting.

Same reason I don't like moeshit anime is because they use so much high contrast color it looks like someone ate a bunch of primary color paint and then vomited it all over the screen
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>>378060653
>I don't want multiplayer

Then why are you acting like you are in the middle of a huge crisis, weighing the pros and cons and critiquing art styles , ect. Just play your PS4. They have all the 1 player games you could ask for.
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>>378060780
>The updates did not improve performance on the Wii U version
Yes, they did.

Source: I own the fucking game.
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>>378039885
It's bad because it's heavily catered towards manchildren and Nintentards.
If you don't enjoy Nintenkiddies such as Mario and Zelda because you've already graduated from them when you were 12 years old like me, then you won't find the Switch appealing at all. On the other hand...

>PS4
>Gets AAA multiplats and exclusives
>Wide selection of genres: RPG, JRPG, ARPG, action adventure, competitive MP, fighting, racing, sports, indieshit, etc.
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>>378060328
>But adding some new characters and a battles mode to a game isn't anything to sing praise over.
You would be right if that was the extent of the changes. Remember they had reworked every single Kart in the game to reflect the stats shown. It shouldn't take a genius to realise what that means.
>Why doesn't that count
Because that "exclusive" DLC I apparently mentioned was released for the PS3 version of the game. It'd do you well to actually read what's being presented to you once in a while.
But hey, there were two new things added to the game. A commentary and photo mode.

>Deus Ex and Bamham WiiU added far more content and exclusive functionality than MK8D did, do those not count either?
Far more content is a bit of a stretch as far as things go but the main problem with those games is that they had the quality of a straw house in rain in the sense that they had significant problems that were never addressed that weren't present in the original game.
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>>378061058
He's not wrong just because you and reddit want him to be
Sorry your one game is trash anon
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>>378060780
>At the end of the day, they shelved a game that was ready for release in 2015 in order to port it to Switch
Got a source, or are you just assuming this? I think you're just assuming this.

>Switch is a port
Never said it wasn't, you're arguing with more than one person, genius. Your reasoning that because it had a performance patch post-release mandates that it be a port was fucking retarded, because the Wii U version had the same patches.
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>>378061160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6NkNgI1ssw

I own the game too. Your feelings are subjective. The Wii U version hasn't had any performance boosts, at least none that are quantifiable
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>>378061172
Top tier editing on that image, I actualy mean it
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>>378061061
Shit taste. Stick with your washed out games
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>>378061319
Well, leddit already proved that he was wrong so it's not opinion based, anon.
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>>378061172
Listen to this man
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>>378061426
How did they prove him wrong?
I'm actually asking for real
I don't go to fucking reddit so I'm blind here
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>>378061172
>>Gets AAA multiplats and exclusives
It's kind of a shame that you have to put shovelware on a pedestal like that.

>>Wide selection of genres: RPG, JRPG, ARPG, action adventure, competitive MP, fighting, racing, sports, indieshit, etc.
Not really no.
None of that range is particularly good. Hell the only good fighting games nowadays are Guilty Gear and Tekken.
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>>378039885
Does anyone actually have a list of first-year exclusives for ps4 and xbone to compare to?
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>>378061387
>digital foundry
Immediately discarded.
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>>378061515
Not my problem, but if you've watched his video and played BotW then you know he's wrong anyway.
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>>378061418
Washed out like Breath of the Wild?

I already said there's nothing wrong with some color. And in Breath of the Wild's case, they could have done without the fucking haze filter that killed the highlights in almost every scene that wasn't high-noon on a clear day.

But ARMS? Look at the fucking OP. You have Cyan, Yellow, Magenta and Black. These are fucking printing primaries. You literally CANNOT CONTRAST MORE THAN THIS. It looks like a fucking abomination that's screaming "PAY ATTENTION TO ME, I'M DIFFERENT". Why not differentiate with actual well designed characters and color choices instead of colors that do nothing but advertise because of how terrible they contrast?
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>>378060653
>It seems extremely shallow. If it was $10 on eShop or something but asking $60 for that kind of experience is way overpriced when I'm mostly looking for single player experiences (crafted worlds, stories, etc)It seems extremely shallow. If it was $10 on eShop or something but asking $60 for that kind of experience is way overpriced when I'm mostly looking for single player experiences (crafted worlds, stories, etc)
Well it's not shallow, you're just making that assumption and then basing your entire decision-making process on that assumption.

Why is it not worth $60, why should it be $10 when that's not even close to a reasonable expectation? Because it doesn't have photo-realistic visuals and isn't shoving a narrative in your face? This is the damage story-focused games have done, we now have an entire generation of players who see anything that deviates from that movie-game formula as being outdated or not worth the money.
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>>378061636
It's funny that they're highly respected around here when it comes to ridiculing Sony games for their atrocious framerates

This board is so god damn childish
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>>378061061
Are you done? Can we get back to talking about videogames or do you have even more art critique fluff?
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>>378061778
Making a few arenas and telling players to "fight this other player, that's the game" is shallow.

Those arenas would be just a small portion of another game.

That's a problem. Nintendo is geniuses at making budget titles and this is how they do it. It's incredibly cheap to make a couple of sets leave the burden of gameplay on the players to create. Single player experiences are expensive. And I'm not talking about the visuals. ARMS' graphical quality is fine.
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>>378061172
>>PS4
>>Gets AAA multiplats and exclusives
>>Wide selection of genres: RPG, JRPG, ARPG, action adventure, competitive MP, fighting, racing, sports, indieshit, etc.

So no multiplayer then
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>>378061387
https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2017/04/06/zelda-breath-of-the-wild-patch-makes-big-improvements-to-the-frame-rate/#26f542236331

>The result is that the frame rate improvements on the Wii U are marginal at best.
Marginal is not non-existent, this cites the same video. I said the Wii U version runs more poorly in general, you can't squeeze much more out of it.

Of course its a fucking port, your logic that because it had post-launch updates is proof is fucking stupid and that's what I disagree with. It's possible to agree with a conclusion but not how one arrives at it.
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>>378062062
>"fight this other player, that's the game" is shallow.
So every fighting game is now shallow just because it's two people.
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>>378061428
Yes, listen to this mature man with mature taste
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>>378062062
>Making a few arenas and telling players to "fight this other player, that's the game" is shallow.
First, that's not all the game is. Second, that isn't shallow in and of itself, you're making the assumption that the mechanics have little depth, watch all the footage. Try the demo.
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>>378061720
So don't get a Switch. Wow, that was really difficult
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>>378039885
Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon already came out.

It's not objectively worse but it's definitely small as shit.
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>>378062378
>DURR-HURR SPLATOON IS A PORT LOL
How long will this meme last?
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>>378062062
>Making a few arenas and telling players to "fight this other player, that's the game" is shallow
Are you in China yet or are you going to keep digging?
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>>378062062
The fuck is this garbage nonsense.

Sony ruined videogames
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>>378060750
Like how is it possible to get away with posting the same shit day in day out?

They must hire someone.
It's not normal behaviour to make the same exact thread everyday to discuss people purchasing a console.
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>>378062505
Well they are still saying "ARMS is a Punchout rehash" so there is literally no end in sight.
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>>378062084
>Marginal is not non-existent
"Marginal at best" is not a compelling argument for something that is difficult to measure. You can't just run the game and it spits out a number and you compare the number and see one number is higher. You can take the exact same game and run it multiple times *on the same patch* and get different numbers.

Ever hear of a margin of error? I have no idea what their statistics look like, but if they say it's marginal at best, it means it's not statistically significant, ie. no change.

If you think you're seeing higher framerates it's nothing more than a placebo effect. The reality is that BotW was 30 fps most of the time on Wii U anyway, only dipping below in towns and in heavy battles. It still dips in the same areas and there's no noticeable difference no matter what version you're running.
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>>378058350
>retard spotted

I like how you consider November-December it's first year.
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>>378062062
>Making a few arenas and telling players to "fight this other player, that's the game" is shallow.
Congrats you've just simplified every fighting game down to it's base objective. What does that have to do with your point or the game in question?
When critiquing a game you focus on the attributes exclusive to the game rather than generalizing.

>Those arenas would be just a small portion of another game.
Yeah no. What you don't know is that a lot of fighting games in a similar 3D environment make use of something we call "invisible walls". They don't actually extend as far as what's shown and are probably just as big, if not smaller than the Arms arena.

>Nintendo is geniuses at making budget titles
There are a fair few developers that can develop on a budget. Hell, most AAA devs put about as much money as a Nintendo game into the game itself, the rest goes into marketing which is why a lot of them end up woefully subpar.
Anyway, the amount of money put into it is irrelevant, what matters is the quality of the game.

>It's incredibly cheap to make a couple of sets leave the burden of gameplay on the players to create
Okay now you've lost me. How is this relevant?
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>>378062261
I don't like Smash for the same reason, or any fighter for that matter. I just think gameplay that is entirely competition derived is shallow. You can have tons of combos or moves or whatever to master and that must be really great for some people. Not for me. If it's great for you, then good
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>>378062505
how is it not?

They literally added like one weapon. What's different and new?
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>>378062889
>I just think gameplay that is entirely competition derived is shallow.
Well you're objectively wrong, that's not what makes something shallow by definition.
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>>378061720
Set to full RBG shit taster
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>>378062916
Well, everything.
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>>378062916
>one weapon
No? There's like 6
>what is new
Everything, besides base mechanics, and like 2 reused maps?
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>>378062983
Of course he's wrong. He's basically passing off his lack of dedication to learning how to play as "shallow".
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>>378062889
I have a close core group of friends I play vidya with all the time. Its a blast
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>>378063049
>well everything

Same maps

Same exact mechanics and controls

Same singleplayer

But you know splat duelies and proper matchmaking that was inexcusable to be missing from the first game wow, it's totally an actual sequel.
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>>378039885
You don't have to compare something to know it's bad.

I'm not saying the Switch lineup is bad, I don't even own a Switch or pay attention to the games.
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>>378062916
It has new weapons, new maps and a new story.

Please, just make up a new meme. You retards pushed this before the announcement revealed it wasn't actually a port, so now you're just doing this so you can still say
>lol Shitch only has Wii U ports
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>>378062916
>added like one weapon
Objectively wrong
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>>378062835
>Okay now you've lost me. How is this relevant?
Because I was talking about price. I don't think something like ARMS should be a $60 game. The price should be related to development cost. BotW is a massive game that deserves a $60 price tag. ARMS clearly doesn't have that level of content, even if there is "depth" required in mastering the moves or whatever

I would have no problem with fighting games if they were priced accordingly. I think $60 is overpriced for any single one of them. The Killer Instinct reboot being F2P is a great model, imo, since it's not like fighting games are hugely different than MOBAs, another genre which I despise. I just don't like purely competition-based games. I expect to be entertained, not to create my own entertainment, especially if I'm paying for it.
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>>378063087
>there's 6

This is a lie.

The weapons they added through updates to the WiiU version doesn't count.
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>>378063190
I don't understand why Splatoon causes such butthurt but it still makes me laugh
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>>378063190
>Same maps
>Same singleplayer
But its not, we all know its not, you're just shitposting now.
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>>378062996
Doesn't solve BotW being washed out most of the time.
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>>378063224
But ARMS is multiplayer, it objectively has more content than BotW
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>>378046469
Most people will be buying it on the Switch. Just look at the game's pre-order numbers.
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>>378063304
It literally does you dumb fuck
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>>378063224
Dude we fucking get it. Your aren't buying ARMS or a switch because you despise colorful environments and multiplayer. You are the most shallow gamer I've come across on /v/ in years
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>>378063350
where do I look for the preorder numbers?
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>>378063190
>Same maps
2 reused maps so far.
>Same exact mechanics and controls
That's because it's a sequel, that said various weapons and mechanics have been changed. Take the Splat roller for instance.
>Same singleplayer
Entirely different story

I like how you're glossing over new game modes like Salmon Run.
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>>378063190
>same maps
WRONG
>same mechanics and controls
Also wrong
>same single player
Wrong

(You)
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>>378039885
I'm not buying a poorly designed console for 5 baby games I can just emulate on my pc.
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>>378063306
In the sense that Minecraft has more content than BotW too, sure

In this case we could essentially compare multiplayer as being the "procedural generation" of gameplay. Just because it's infinite, doesn't mean it's any good.
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>>378047003
This is what troubles me the most, I mean I have a PC, I can play multiplats, so they have 0 appeal to me in a console.
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>2 ports
>a sequel(port)
>Wii Boxing 2
>Dynasty Warriors trash again
>ANOTHER Mario game

What a great line up.
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>>378063224
>The price should be related to development cost
So what, you're saying that most AAA games should cost either as much as a used car?
Well going by how much is put into the real game it should be more like a children's toy.
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>>378063435
But I already own a Switch

>>378063413
BotW is washed out 90% of the time even with full RGB. I'm sorry you need your eyes examined
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>>378063224
>The price should be related to development cost
Why? You're also just assuming you know what the game's budget is. How the fuck do you know how much it cost to make? And by this logic, western AAA games with huge budgets should have had price tags with triple digits when those games often lack depth and replay value. That's the opposite of what you want.

You're making stupid assumptions without having the facts because you've already arrived at your conclusion, you're just trying to make everything fit the end result you've already decided upon.
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>>378051336
>Xbone STILL has nothing to play.

I don't know man, I owned an Xbone for 2 years and I played Forza 5, 6 and Horizon 2, Gears of War 4, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct and had a lot of fun, to me it's still better than the souls clones machine.
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>>378063293
If there's one thing the Wii U did well it was the salt it produced from people like that anon.
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>>378063642
You need to, sorry
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>>378063584
>(port)
Hi tranny leaker! Still butthurt you are wrong?
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>>378063548
And just because you don't like doesn't mean it's bad or that it lacks depth, you fucking faggot.
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Have you guys noticed that after the PS4 had 3 years of nothing, and recently a couple of months of games, there is absolutely nothing else to look forward on it?
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>>378063638
No, I think $60 should be an upper limit for an AAA open world game. Everything else should actually be cheaper than it currently is unless for some reason the budget is actually comparable

>>378063683
It's obvious that a game with a handful of arenas and characters has a low budget, especially with the aesthetic quality of a 7th gen game. Art asset design is like 90% of the budget in developing a video game
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>>378063642
>But I already own a Switch
But do you really?
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>YFW all Splatoon supporters have spent over 1000 dollaroos to defend a casual TPS even further

Don't trust em lads.
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>>378047445
I hope you're not counting fucking Puyo Tetris as a console seller. Because Puyo Tetris didn't save WiiU
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>>378063190
They actually said in an interview that they didn't reused anything from Splatoon 2.

The entire single player campaign is new (of course, why wouldn't be) and it looks it will have cutscenes this time.

Almost all the hate to Splatoon 2 comes from ignorance, exactly the same as the first game.
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>>378063743
Those are all high-noon, clear weather, except the bottom one which is obviously washed out.

>And in Breath of the Wild's case, they could have done without the fucking haze filter that killed the highlights in almost every scene that wasn't high-noon on a clear day.

Find me a cloudy/rainy screenshot that doesn't look washed out as fuck
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>>378064000
That's right.
Because everyone bought it on the Switch.
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>>378063512
Lol, you emulate baby games?
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>>378063927
Are you really having this hard a time accepting that people don't like ARMS or am I just in a shill thread?
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>>378063642
>BotW is washed out 90% of the time even with full RGB

No it's not? It looks incredibly bright and colorful in my TV, it's actually one of the most colorful games I have ever played. The only washed out thing was the beta gameplays and people thought that's how the Wii U version would look, and it didn't, both version look bright and colorful as fuck.
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>>378063894
>It's obvious that a game with a handful of arenas and characters has a low budget
>It's obvious
Right, you're just making assumptions without having the facts, just as I said.

You're entire line of thinking is based on your assumptions, not on actual facts or first-hand experience.

>unless for some reason the budget is actually comparable
See, right here, what is the budget then? Oh, right, you have no fucking clue, you're just making shit up.
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>>378063584
>Wii Boxing

You do realise this wasn't ever a game, right?
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>>378063894
>I think $60 should be an upper limit for an AAA open world game
Then you're not really holding true to your original ideals are you.
It seems like you're just arbitrarily singling out Nintendo because they can make games that don't stretch into the multimillions area.
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Switch first year is better than the entire lifespan of the PS4.

I remember people playing literal crap the first years of the 8th gen, just because they bought one of those shitty no games consoles.
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>>378064196
>B-b-but SHILLS!

No one is telling yout hat you HAVE to like the game, you blithering idiot.

We're telling you that your assumptions that the game is shallow and should have a $10 price tag based on shit you pulled out of your ass is fucking retarded.
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>>378063642
>doesn't like multiplayer
>doesn't like Nintendo games
>But I already own a Switch
Congrats on your poor decision
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>>378064214
I wouldn't compare world sizes in direct square km because there's a lot of copy-pasting going on in open world design, but I think it's pretty clear that a handful of arenas are not as time consuming to design as an open world.

If you disagree then there's nothing I can say, as I am indeed trying to appeal to logic, of which you appear to have none
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>>378064196
Excuse me but I asked you a question.
Don't you know it's rude to answer back with another question?
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>>378063894
>No, I think $60 should be an upper limit for an AAA open world game
But why?

You JUST said it should be relative to the budget, now you're placing arbitrary restrictions on your made-up rule?
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>>378064403
Uh I liked BotW and I liked MK8 (although I already played it on my Wii U)

I guess I'm not allowed to dislike ARMS because it's being shilled so heavily right now. Maybe in a few months I'll be able to actually have an opinion.
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>>378064409
>but I think it's pretty clear
Yes, you're just assuming, you're not basing your conclusions on anything factual. You goddamned muppet.
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>>378064342
I literally only play Rocket League on my PS4. I hate that.
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>>378064556
Funny you would pick the two games that are also on the switch.
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>>378039885
2017 has been incredible for games so far. Switch is a huge reason why.
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>>378064556
>B-b-but SHILLS!
So anytime someone disagrees with you, they're a shill?

Again, we're not telling you to like the game, we're telling you that what you think constitutes a shallow game and what dictates a price tag is not factual and that your reasoning is inherently flawed.
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>>378064464
Relative to the budget that scales linearly with a fixed upper end of $60. I really don't think this is hard to understand.
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>not getting a Switch and a PS4 because you can budget your money intelligently and afford more than one console
If you got a Xbone there's no saving you but c'mon guys.
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>>378064342
You can relive it all again when Nintendo fans literally buy ports of Wii U games for $300 + online fee tip
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>>378064769
nld? is that you?
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>>378063437
http://bitparade.co.uk/article.php?id=4268

American and European pre-orders alone for the Switch version totaled over 114,000 copies. The PS4 version's non-Japanese sales (which includes other Asian countries in addition to America/Europe) totaled 112,000 outside of Japan after a one-year period.

The Japanese sales aren't so high, though. Under 20,000 Switch pre-orders, and the PS4 version only totaled 60,000 after the one-year period.
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>>378064769
>not getting a Switch and a PC because you can budget your money intelligently and afford more than one platform
ftfy
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>>378064769
Oh sure, If you don't have a PC then Sonytendo is the way to go for sure this gen. Unfortunately it doesn't stop people who think like this >>378064556 and refuse to argue when their reasoning has been shattered.
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>>378048126
Recording has been finished for a month, now.
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>>378064834
Just had a trip to Europe two weeks ago. 10 hours out, 10 hours back.

The Switch has already paid for itself in in flight entertainment alone.

Stay mad though.
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>>378064740
>we're
It's funny you keep clustering your opinion with that of others as if it strengthens your position. I rarely see this happen and it's another reason why I suspect there is heavy shilling going on right now

>>378064658
What? I played both of them on my Switch. I just felt like pointing out that MK8 is something I've already played before. You called me a Nintendo hater and this is not the case. I merely think ARMS looks like an overpriced, shallow experience.
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>>378064915
Sure. Either or.

I opt for PS4 because it's cheap. It plays blu rays. And I'm not big on keeping up with PC parts/spec and stuff.

To each their own though.
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>>378064915
PC is so good it doesn't count. It's like comparing Denny's country fried steak to a steakhouse, don't insult the one that's clearly the best. Plus muh Persona
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>>378064918
Nah, just get the PC. PC+Nintendo offers the widest selection of games with the least overlap, PS4 has a few exclusives but the Switch will end up with a lot more.

If this were still 7th gen or earlier I'd say all the consoles are worth getting, but 8th gen just fucking sucked.
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>>378061519
>>It's kind of a shame that you have to put shovelware on a pedestal like that.
>1-2-Switch
>Super Bomberman R
>SnipperClips
>Fast RMX
>Blaster Master Zero
>VOEZ
>Has Been Heroes
>ARMS
>pic related as E3 highlight

>>Wide selection of genres: RPG, JRPG, ARPG, action adventure, competitive MP, fighting, racing, sports, indieshit, etc.
Not really no.
None of that range is particularly good. Hell the only good fighting games nowadays are Guilty Gear and Tekken.
If you want variety, you'll get a PS4 or other gaming platforms. If you're a Nint0ddler who are contend with only playing Mario, Zelda, and other Nintenkiddies for the rest of your life, you'll get a Switch. I'm not a Nint0ddler.
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>>378064748
You do realise the development cost isn't the only thing that requires money right?
There's also production which is an ongoing cost for most, advertisements, potential future support and so on.

>I really don't think this is hard to understand.
It's hard to understand because it makes no sense. You say that prices should reflect their development costs but then impose exceptions to AAA games for no particular reason.
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>>378065057
You're getting multiple replies that tell you the same thing.

Seriously pal, you don't have to like the game. But your reasoning behind why you think it's shallow and should only be $10 is just fucking stupid. Just say the game doesn't appeal to you, don't say its shallow when you're not even using the word correctly and should be $10 when that's in no way realistic.
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>>378065174
I'd almost always rather go to Denny's than a steakhouse.

I have a six figure income so being able to afford it isn't an issue.

Turns out that there is no accounting for taste.
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>>378065297
>You say that prices should reflect their development costs but then impose exceptions to AAA games for no particular reason.
No. Not exceptions, I'm saying that's where the scale starts. Rather than start the scale at 0 and scale upwards to infinite dollars that no one could ever afford, I would instead start the scale at $60 and work downwards.
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>>378039885
xbone and PS4 at the very least had 3rd party support
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I rather like what Nintendo first party is offering for the Switch in year 1, especially Splatoon 2. Splatoon was my favorite game on the WiiU and maybe my favorite game of that generation. I thought Zelda was boring though, so I'm still waiting for a Switch game to really get into. ARMS looks like it has potential, but I'd be surprised if it took off like Splatoon. Just cause two in a row is rare.
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>>378065573
Yeah but who cares about Assassin's Creed 4 or Call of Duty Ghosts even one year late?

People will be talking about Breath of the Wild for decades.
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>>378065250
>I'm a mature gamer, I only play mature games for mature gamers, such as myself
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>>378065741
not an argument
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>>378065250
>If you're a Nint0ddler who are contend with only playing Mario, Zelda, and other Nintenkiddies for the rest of your life
Funny you would mention Mario seeing as the IP covers just about every genre you've listed there. Anything that isn't covered by Mario is covered by the several other Nintendo IPs that expand in such a way.
The best part is that they only really come out once per platform. Which is why there's only 4 NSMB games across 4 systems and only 8 Mario Kart games since the SNES.

Also you have a poor understanding of what shovelware is if you think some of those there fall under that blanket.
Meanwhile just about every AAA game is made with very little care or forethought and is a yearly release more often than not, kind of like they're being shoveled to the masses.
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>>378065452
If your game depends on more than 1 people playing it, then you have a shallow game. Your game isn't the content, the players are. They challenge each other. Or more often, they don't. One player is horrendously overchallenged while the other is wishing for more challenge, resulting in an unbalanced experience for both.

Good game design usually involves properly balancing all the different scalers in your game which is virtually impossible for a multiplayer-only game. Yes, you can balance the characters' moves and whatnot, but the people using them will always be unbalanced
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>>378062739
>Calls someone a retard
>Can't even list any examples
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>>378065017

You will have to do overtime tonight if you want that free NES game the crowd is not feeling the need to buy.
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>>378065573
But no first party support, which is sad considering we are approaching year 5
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>>378058350
>first 2 months of PS4 and Xbone
vs
>the first 6 months of the Switch
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>>378065942
Good year 1 first party support is better than bad year one third part support. What else do you need to hear?
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>>378065974
>If your game depends on more than 1 people playing it, then you have a shallow game
No.

You're fucking stupid, that is objectively incorrect and not what the word shallow fucking means. A game could consist of nothing but two stick figures facing one another in an infinite white void, and still have mechanical and technical depth, more than even the most visually detailed and expensive game ever made.
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>>378065974
Why don't you have friends anon?
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>>378066186
Xbone had Forza 5, Killer Instinct, Ryse, and Dead Rising 3 as exclusives it's first year
>but these games are bad!
because Bomberman, and 1-2 Switch are such great games
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>>378066271
Still doesn't change that the Switch has a better first year lineup. Bloodborne didn't even come out until 2015
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>>378066473
WOW. WHAT A LIST OF GAMES

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Xbox_One_video_games
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>>378066831
not an argument
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>>378066374
A game like Chess?

I'd call Chess shallow. Maybe I'm using the wrong word. I'd call Chess *complex* in terms of its rules, and the permutations that can be derived from a simple set of rules. ARMS might have similar or even more complex rules, and thus permutations, when you evaluate all the moves and how they correspond

In terms of content however, Chess falls flat on its ass. It's a fucking checker board with 6 different piece types. So what if there are more chess games than atoms in the universe? It all boils down to the exact same content being used repeatedly.

So to clarify, when I say shallow, I mean in terms of content
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To anyone complaining about Wii U ports or games that were available on other platforms: 12 of the top 20 best selling PS4 games are available on PS3. Including the best selling game.

I'll say that again: The best selling PS4 game is also the best selling PS3 game. The same game.

The Switch at least offers up the benefit of playing at home or on the go.
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>>378067001
And yet I'm sure plenty of people have not bought a PS4 on the grounds that PS3 has a lot of the same games still.

Why is the ports argument not a good justification for not owning one?

Why is it so imperative to you that people buy a Switch? Do you have some vested interest if they do or not?
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>>378066998
There's nothing to suggest arms lacks content.
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>>378067180
The fact that we haven't seen any is a rather large indication
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>>378065974
>If your game depends on more than 1 people playing it
Just about every game in the modern age relies on multiplayer content to the point that even local multiplayer was phased out over online and story modes were ironically made far more shallow than they were say 10 years ago.
With that said, what kind of games do you enjoy personally anon?

>Your game isn't the content, the players are.
Or you know, both. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
And depth isn't gauged by what the game is but rather what you can do within said game.
At this point you're just saying these games are shallow because you don't know any better than button mashing. Well you outright said earlier that you have an aversion to learning these games but hey you're just going to ignore that too right?

>Good game design usually involves properly balancing all the different scalers in your game which is virtually impossible for a multiplayer-only game. Yes, you can balance the characters' moves and whatnot, but the people using them will always be unbalanced
So what you want is a single player only, casual oriented game with no depth to the actual gameplay that needs to have depth.
You have a very strange and nigh impossible dream of a game.
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>>378066901
>n-not an argument

Sure thing kiddo
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>>378066527
still not counting 3rd parties huh?
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>>378066998
>I'd call Chess shallow. Maybe I'm using the wrong word
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>>378067280
Not really no, after all you want to focus on the major gameplay elements first and foremost as well as establish the characters of said game
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>>378067145
>Why is it so imperative to you that people buy a Switch?

Since you ask, I actually dumped my Nintendo stock two days ago. Made a very nice gain. Given that the stock has gone up a lot in the past two days, I should have held on, but a good gain is a good gain so I'm not sad.

Switch isn't having any issues selling. They don't need my help.

I just think it's funny that Nintendo gets hate for releasing a spiffed up version of a last gen game when a spiffed up versions of a last gen games makes up a ton of the competing library.
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>>378067371
>Still no examples
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>>378067439
>when a spiffed up versions of a last gen games makes up a ton of the competing library.
Well, I wouldn't call them "spiffed up" as much as they're just repackaged. You could count how many of those games actually added content or made legitimate changes on one hand.
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>>378067371
>Switch sucks because it has Wii U ports!

>Why don't those PS3 ports count!?
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>>378067381
Just wait until around 10pm central time tonight. Someone will start calling BotW cinematic
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>>378067439
>I just think it's funny that Nintendo gets hate for releasing a spiffed up version of a last gen game
I don't think it's that, it's that threads like OP bait people into responding

>Why don't you own a Switch?
How can you ask this question without expecting such responses? We'd have a lot less shitposting without threads like these. This is basically a console war thread. Hell, maybe threads like these are better to have since they keep the shitposting localized.
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>>378044323
Dude, 2010 called. They want their buzzwords back.
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>>378067381
It really depends how you're looking at it. Chess has very simple rules that can be conveyed in a few sentences. The amount of strategy that those rules afford is surprisingly deep. It's also minimalist in terms of content. I could make a chess board and pieces rendered on a computer and charge $60 for it. Do you think $60 is overpriced for Chess? It's so deep, right? Surely the strategic depth justifies the high price.
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>>378067842
>I don't think it's that, it's that threads like OP bait people into responding

100 Nintenbros talking about games and 386 angry mustards, Sonygros, and Xbawxs crying. No one made you shit post here.
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>>378066998
>So to clarify, when I say shallow, I mean in terms of content
Well that's not what shallow means.

From what you've described, it sounds like you want shallow, single-player games.
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>>378068063
Can you please leave this fucking thread and then hang yourself?
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>>378068063
>It really depends how you're looking at it
No, it doesn't.

The definitions of words don't change depending on how you look at them.
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>>378039885
Vitriol and angry shitposting aside for a second.

I legit want you younger gamers to have a launch year like the SNES. It was fucking magical.
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>>378068063
You realise you could apply the same logic to a fighter like Arms right? In fact a lot of the principles of chess can be applied to any competitive environment.
When it comes to price however it isn't as simple as merely carving out pieces out of something cheap. More time and effort has to go into other areas such as animation, balancing, additional modes, different designs, AI and most importantly movesets as well as in this day and age, subsequent updates. Chess on the other hand is just 7 pieces with rules that never have to be changed or balanced and said pieces have no need to be unique.

Needless to say this is going to rack up a price in manpower and take a far longer time to do whereas chess you could play with marked tiles if you wanted to, which I'm pretty sure is just Shogi that or it's similar.

Are you beginning to understand now?
I mean it's all well and good to have a different viewpoint but make sure you consider all the other things involved before forming them otherwise you're going to make terrible comparisons such as your chess creation one.
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>>378068063
>Surely the strategic depth justifies the high price.
No it doesn't because depth isn't the end-all, be-all determining factor for the value placed on a game, you simpering shitwit.
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>>378068176
So you're saying "Why don't you own a Switch?" aren't bait threads?
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>>378065250
>1-2-Switch
Agree
>Super Bomberman R
STILL, An actual game and not a cinematic Experiece
>SnipperClips
Best Platformer multiplayer since Battleblock Theatre
>Fast RMX
Better than Wipeout
>Blaster Master Zero
>VOEZ
>Has Been Heroes
Haven't played
>ARMS
Looks good and better than 90% of PS4 Catalog

Try again fag
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>>378068829
A 12 foot pool is considered deep
A 12 foot ocean would be shallow as fuck

Of course context matters. I'm not arguing over the definition of a word. I'm arguing over what quality I'm using it to describe.
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>>378069478
>A 12 foot ocean would be shallow as fuck
That would still be considered deep. Just not the deepest.

You keep on saying context matters but have no understanding of it.
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>>378064915
This is my combo. I have my PC plugged to my TV and I use it for everything, I save so much fucking money in games and movies by pirating all.

And of course Nintendo for fun couch multiplayer games.
>>
What's a good couch for consoles?
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>>378069585
I can say that chess has deep strategy but shallow content. This is because I'm describing two different aspects. You just see me using it to describe ARMS and you see the part that you think isn't shallow without realizing it does have a shallow part, that part which I'm using the word to describe
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>I want a deep fighter
>LOL jk gimme something easily accessible and casual

Why are Armsfags such faggots? You don't get to call your game deep after stripping out everything to make it an accessible normie title.
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>>378040442

>ONLY five games

So what? PS4 got it's first worthy game one year after release and then had to wait about 3 more to start getting a decent library now on 2017, the Wii U got around 5-10 depending tastes during its whole lifetime, and let's not even discuss the Xbox.

So then again, what are you comparing the Switch to?
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>>378046086
Kek
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>>378069478
>Of course context matters
You mean like the context you've been routinely ignoring with retarded, blanket statements like
>If your game supports more than one player it's shallow!
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>>378039885
And there's STILL E3.
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>>378069854
>first worthy game
What makes any of the games in OP's image "worthy"?

What makes your assessment of worthiness anything more than an opinion?
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>>378057635
Because it's a spin off.
Also a mainline FE is coming so that completely overshadows it.
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>>378069728
>This is because I'm describing two different aspects
That's because you don't see the fighting as content contrary to the definition of content.

With that said we've also seen several different modes beyond the regular in trailers such as the tethered mode, Volleyball, hoops and targets.
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>>378069918
I never said that

I said a game that's based around 2 or more players competing is shallow

I have gone on to clarify that when I say shallow, I am talking about content.

I guess it would be easier for me to say that ARMS has no content
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>>378070132

>>378065974
>If your game depends on more than 1 people playing it, then you have a shallow game

>HURR context is important :^)
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>tfw /v/ is becoming PC+Nintendo reign again

Feels good.
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>>378070125
When you start calling player-created content actual content though, you're in a situation where Minecraft has more content than any other game ever made, which just isn't the case. Procedural and player-created content isn't real content, especially not when it comes down to how much money you'd pay for it. Fighting a player too far from your skill level isn't fun, for instance. Just like Minecraft seed #28384382 isn't vastly a different experience from seed #3848329 even if there's not a single block among them they share in common

Content in this case means an obstacle or challenge (ie "game") that someone has completed for you to complete. A purely competitive game doesn't have this. The other players are the content
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>>378065964
>>Funny you would mention Mario seeing as the IP covers just about every genre you've listed there.
>>Anything that isn't covered by Mario is covered by the several other Nintendo IPs that expand in such a way.

Why would I play the discount versions of the genres I listed earlier?

>BOTW
>We want the Souls and TW3 audiences
Just another Ubishit with Ninty logo slapped on itpp

>Smash, ARMS
'''''Fighting''''' games

>Mario Kart
Little Timmy's first racing game; play Forza or GTR instead

>Splatoon
Discount Cowadoody/BF/OW because Ninturdo consoles are too weak to run them

>Mario Strikers, Golf, Tennis, Baseball, etc.
Stick with EA Sports rehashes like FIFA and Madden for authentic sports game experience instead of playing a pile of CUHRAYZEE SPORTS shit

>Mario RPG
Either babby's first RPG, or trash like pic related

It's like they know their gaems won't sell if they didn't shove Mario or Zelda into them.
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>>378069993
The same principles that apply to Switch games

>No ports
>Actual exclusive games with gameplay

PS4 has 17 full-retail exclusive games, with a good chunk being import-only.
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>>378070334
>If your game supports more than one player it's shallow!
>If your game depends on more than 1 people playing it, then you have a shallow game

You honestly can't see the difference between these?

You can't give Chess to a kid and expect him to play it by himself. Mouse Trap is an entirely different animal and yet that game can be played with more than 1 player too
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>>378070542
Right but you conclude that PS4 took 1 year to get its first game, by which I assume you mean Bloodborne.

What about Knack doesn't fit these criteria:
>No ports
>Actual exclusive games with gameplay
?
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>>378070572
I see the semantic difference, but the entire idea is fucking absurd and factually incorrect so I don't really care how much of a distinction between the two there is.

I understand what you're saying, it's just fucking stupid. Depth is not predicated on how many people can play or on how much pre-made "content" a game has. Chess has depth, Mouse Trap is a board game made for children. I don't mean that in an insulting way, it is literally designed to be played by children, it lacks depth.
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>>378070678
Wasn't me, and Bloodborne didn't come out until 2015.

Knack fits those criteria, it just sucked. No one would argue NSMBU was worth buying the Wii U for either.
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>>378070445
>Why would I play the discount versions of the genres I listed earlier?
You tell me, unless you're going to say that something like Persona has any depth in gameplay.

>Just another Ubishit with Ninty logo slapped on itpp
And yet it has far more focus on world interaction and physics than any Ubisoft game so far essentially setting the bar for open world games in that regard.

>'''''Fighting''''' games
Yes?
Are you calling these "discount" versions when they're for the most part unique in their execution?
It's also worth noting the state of fighting games now. In particular games like MvC Infinite and SFV.
Even Guilty Gear now has a stylish mode that makes button bashing effective.

>Little Timmy's first racing game; play Forza or GTR instead
>forza
>GTR
Yes because there's nothing better than a realistic racer devoid of a modicum of challenge or surprise. Hope you like rubber banding, because you're going to be seeing a lot of it.

>Discount Cowadoody/BF/OW
Not even close.

>Stick with EA Sports rehashes like FIFA and Madden for authentic sports game experience instead of playing a pile of CUHRAYZEE SPORTS shit
So purposely limit myself in variety of gameplay just for something I could go outside and do in real life only with a simulated crowd?
Sounds boring.

>Either babby's first RPG, or trash like pic related
See my comment on Persona.

>It's like they know their gaems won't sell if they didn't shove Mario or Zelda into them.
Which is why Splatoon outsold a certain other system's first major release right?
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