KOREA TIME HYPE AS FUCK DAY Light vs hero, Rain vs sSak,

As someone who's not following Starcraft - how quickly does the meta change? seems like things would get stale considering the age of the game

Starcraft is dead. RTS is dead. Fuck off.

SC1 and SC2 combined get less that 1/10th of the viewership of actual esport games.

>>378004286

Actually the meta is still shifting. Recently most match-ups have gotten a lot more aggressive.

Huh, furgot this was on alongside the ASL.

Who's winning at the moment? I didn't keep up with the last few weeks, I think Rain was in top spot last time I checked.

Go effort.

>>378004298
Ok.

>>378004298

Yeah, because popularity equates to quality, right? After all Justin Bieber makes the best music and Fast & Furious is top tier kino.

>>378004421

Last day of round robin today.

Bracket:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SSL_Classic_Season_1/Round_Robin

Where's Tastosis?

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>Sunday nights TvT between Flash and Last went for like 30 mins total

The TvZ between mong and shine went for three times as long and was 10x as fun to watch.

>>378004616
They do ASL, this is SSL. These guys aren't nearly as good but Wolf at the very least knows what he's talking about

Where's tastosis!?

>>378004669

Dropship good unit.

>3am
>korea time starts
>have to get up at 7am

fukkn why?

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>Gooks shitting up the chat with moonrunes on the english broadcast

>>378004498
Yeah, this is why SC2 is the superior game to the first one.

>>378004101

>mini- Korea time

Nice.

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>Somehow a technical issue stops rapid from talking

God works in mysterious ways

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>Rapid's mic stopped working

Stop bullying Rapid reality.

>>378005191
>moonrunes

That's Japanese. It's a mystic language that no sane person knows, even the Japanese.

Korean is a completely sane simple writing system.

>10 kills on a firebat


Pffft

>>378005293

Stop. Arguing BW vs SC2 is pointless because most of the community overlaps anyways it only riles up the fringe idiots.

>>378005615

Firebats are the most under-rated unit. They have a few niches, and too many people ignore them entirely.

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>>378004101
love me some gook click during dinner

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I swear Tasteless has early onset dementia.

He gets so many unit names and player names wrong.

Too much booze and too much syphillis.

lmao that was 20% of his eco easily

This game is sloppier than a chicago pizza left in the sun for a week.

>Not transitioning to mech.

That has to be a GG from light, he's done

BW Zerglings are so stupid strong. Most imba unit in the game.

>>378004286
Hell, valkyries were considered a non-unit, near scout tier, for a long time, now you see them in probably half of standard tvts, and as a muta counter in tvz.

>gookclick

>>378004669
Dat nydus doe

Ultras are so cool in bw

>>378006064

They are strong as fuck, but have you ever tried to move a big ling army around the map?

Starcraft fucking sucks
>DUDE RUNNING UP RAMPS AND KILLING WORKERS AND THEN MASSING UP THE ARMY FROM 20 BARRACKS TO RUN UP THE RAMP AGAIN LMAO
Warcraft 3 matches were so much more exciting

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>Brood War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oJPPCaQeD4

>>378006064
>Most imba unit in the game.

They're weak and need a TON of upgrades to get any good.

Terrans and Toss have their own impablanced enemies, so whatever. It all balances out.

>Those empty seats

I HATE this new meta.

SK Terran style was so tense vs. Zerg.

Now I'm seeing T mass up Valks and Z has no options.

ice pants

>>378006238

DUDE

RTS WITH RNG

LMAO

>>378006387
It's a new league. This isn't ASL so it's obviously not as well known.

Watching someone like grubby play WC3 is far more fun, sc is kind of boring

>>378006432

Why doesn't z just use devourers?

>>378004669
Flash wanted to make peop;le who said he fucked up the groups shut the fuck up.

>>378006560
Devourers don't help against Valkyries, one of the biggest things they do is reduce attack speed via a stacking debuff, which has no effect on them whatsoever. They DO help against mass wraith, but generally your anti-air unit of choice is scourge anyway, which are super cost effective against Valkyries.

Typically, you only see Devourers in later game ZvZ where both went heavy muta, one or two devourers let you win vs more mutas.

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>>378006543

Thanks for letting us know. We care a lot about your opinion.

>>378006670
Devourers can show up vs carrier

also, PLAGUUU completely fuck with carrier.

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Who's hyped for SCR?

>>378006814
>Carriers
>PvZ
You're just ASKING to lose value.

>>378006952

>Turn up resolution, add widescreen.
>"That'll be $59.99"

Fuck blizzard.

>>378006954
well yeah, but it happens still

Last week's Free vs. Mind was a GREAT match.

The Shine vs. Mong from ASL recently was another great series.

>>378007106

>turning up the resolution in a 2D game

???

I'm digging this Sak passion.

>>378006954
Carrier + Corsair is pretty fuckign scary. especially if you lose a bunch of hydralisk and you don,t spot it in time. Just rare that you get enough stuff to sustain it

Is he casting with wolf?

>>378007235
That would generally mean you have to have gone storm tech, robo, AND carrier, with upgrades on everything.
If you can do that, and the Zerg doesn't have comparable tech of EVERYTHING, then you didn't need carriers anyway.
Corsair/Carrier worked ok on island maps, but thats more that Corsairs are fucking great, than anything to do with the carriers themselves.

>>378007289
Wolf and Rapid, yeah.

>recall
>fair

pick one

>>378007362
just emp ahaha

>>378007362
>Put Spider mines in your base
>They recall
>You win

There's literally no excuse not to do it, especially not when you have so many Vultures.

Did these guys even know they were playing today?

>>378007430
No, strategic reason, sure, but in terms of time spent, actions used, and mines not elsewhere, there are plenty of reasons not to have mines set up, even if you ideally would.

>>378007484

No, they've just randomly met.

Seriously, what kind of dumb question is this?

>>378006687
People don't think this game is shit?

>SSL

Ive tried to watch it a couple of timed and it sucks compared to asl, has it gotten better

Rain can't finish the deal. Just contain and deal damage.

Ssak should GG now anyways even though the killing blow isn't hit.

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I guess that last match was a maSSAKre.

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Free is FREE

>>378008468
Free is gook trash that should be clearing mines at the dmz without equipment

>let's make the Zerg yellow
>even though all Protoss units look yellow no matter what color you make them

fuck you

Shit those were some money storms, I thought free was done when they hydras busted down his front door. That was a short but pretty close match.

When is Kim Jong gonna join in on these?

>>378009509
he too fat, can't hotkey

>>378006064
Only when they get a few upgrades are they really good. Now defilers might be one of the strongest motherfuckers in the franchise.

who the fuck is winning this game? They've both lost so much shit in their mains.

Zerg master race is victorious once again Terraniggers blown the fuck out

Both players kind of sloppy

>mentions reddit
>doesn't mention 4chan

:/

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>Never shows the audience
>only chairs we see are empty
>never hear an audience

They're casting to an empty room? That's sad.

>>378011212
they are casting to us, the internet!

>>378011256

What were the views like?

>>378011212
I always wondered how the rest of the venue treats them. Always just seem like everyone ignores them or pretends they arent there.

Both ASL and SSL updated to the new versions, then immediately dropped it.

I suspect Korea is not going to like the HD version either.

>>378011386
They have the internet on computers now.

Go to vg you useless niggers.

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>>378006952
I am so hype will buy it day1 my friends and I already 1v1 constantly on FISH(Korea) in anticipation.It's free and works on windows7 so nicely now you should all go download it

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>>378008687
yellow zerg look ballin thoZ

OC pic

>>378011660
Wait really? Why? I thought it just fixed a couple bugs and made it not explode on newer versions of windows

>>378004286
The meta shifts with the playstyle of the top players. Over a long period of time this has caused SCBW to go through a lot of different "metas". The main reason for this is because Blizzard doesn't shit out balance patches every two weeks and fuck everything up with a constant stream of bad choices, which is what virtually every other "eSports" game does.

>>378012507
STUNNING GRAPHICS

>>378012550

Bug fixes, observer options, mineral counting, version updates.

But for whatever reason they ditched it. The bug fixes might change game balance.

>>378012579
>>378004286

Different strategies are required for new maps. That's why they are always adding new maps to the mix.

>>378004101
>Blizzard still banking on Koreans
>Still no ability rts with 20+ races
>Just some shitty commander mode that is a small unbalanced side project instead of a full game

It's 2017

>>378012694
>The bug fixes might change game balance.
It was said in another thread that JD got fucking wrecked by Valkyries actually working properly right after the update, and the tournament panicked and reverted to the old patch.

>>378012881
what was wrong with the old valks?

>>378012881
so it seriously just comes down to "we're used to this being broken and we refuse to fix it"? You do you Korea I guess

>>378012881

That's just speculation. But it is interesting that after that match they reset to the old version.

Changing versions MID match is really stupid. You start with one version and then you end with it.

>>378013231
When you reach high populations or simply have too many units firing rockets (such as valks) they stop shooting since there are too many sprites being rendered, essentially making them useless.

>>378012881
>It was said in another thread that JD got fucking wrecked by Valkyries actually working properly right after the update

i don't get how it's a big deal though. Unless they were both capped and very late they should be exactly the same.

where's the upload

>>378013310
Wait, if it's a matter of hitting a sprite cap, why are they the only unit affected? Shouldn't anything with a sprite projectile also be affected by this limit?

Isn't the sprite bug with valkyries only relevant in 4v4s?

I don't think that just two maxed armies can reach the sprite limit in the old version.

link is private

stream where

>>378014108
Depends on how many valks you have but yeah, reaching the cap in 1v1 isn't possible without outright losing as terran. The patch had other issues such as clicks not registering and placing buildings in revealed areas.

>>378014187
it ended.

>>378014187

It's done. Wait for the individual uploads soon.

>>378013986

Just taking guesses, I don't know the actual cause:
>Valkyries fire more projectiles than other units, and are therefore more likely to be affected
>Valkyrie projectiles don't actually target a unit, but a burst around a unit's position, which could affect how their projectiles are treated vs other units
>Valkyries missiles are low on the priority list and always get picked last

>>378014187

Stream's over bud.

>>378014254
>>378012881
The sprite limit had nothing to do with JD getting wreckity wrecked. Valks are just that good when you get them above a certain number, and JD didn't do a good enough job hunting them down for the whole game. They're slow and vulnerable, and if you can keep their number fewer than 5 you can deal with them fine, everybody knows this.

>>378014847
Shit i missed it again. Whats the name of the league so i can watch some replays in youtube?

>>378004101

>[YouTube] Not Found (embed)

Nice bait faggpt

>>378016718

>arrives late
>assumes bait

>>378015534

Afreecatv Starleague ASL

This is the ESportsTV Premier Classic.

Anybody else think BW is great fun to watch but not so fun to play and SC2 is the opposite?

>>378017593

I like them both equally, but I spend more time with SC2 because of the way more active community. SCR will be fun and I hope they announce another big blance/design patch for SC2 soon.

>>378013986
>>378014663
Valk's don't fire "missiles" like other units do. More accurately they fire "units" that fly in semi-random patterns towards a spot and then detonate, basically using the same kind of programming as the Reaver and it's Scarabs.

SC1 has a cap on how many units can be rendered at any one time, and how much processing power can go towards working with the AI. Once either of these caps are reached, the game locks itself from creating more.

The reason Carrier's aren't affected by this is because Interceptors are already "made", they just sit invisible until they are teleported to their carrier and sent out to attack.

>>378011386
around 1k on the youtube strim

>>378018396
>around 1k on the youtube strim

How do tehse guys make enough to live on?

Or do they just live in the studio and get paid scraps of food?

>>378018519
ads, and it was just youtube, must have had some other stuff.

I also expect that people are ''investing'' in BW since it's coming back with remastered currently. Better have some structure already there before it hits than start from scratch

>>378018519

It's a korean TV show, you dork. The english casting/streaming are just an afterthought.

>>378018519

I don't really watch the ssl but the asl is filled to the brim with korean ads in between games, they get money from korean sponsorships and as the other guy said we are basically an afterthought.

I just hope BW explodes again with the release of Remastered because SC2 never really stuck.

>>378004101
Friendly reminder that Starcraft Anthology is F R E E on Battle.net and it'll be compatible with Remastered so you poorfags don't have to buy it.
https://us.battle.net/shop/en-gb/product/starcraft

>>378018916

Can't wait for an actual ladder.

Why do people keep saying Starcraft is dead?

SC2 is the biggest RTS and BW is still active as fuck for being 20 years old.

where do I watch this? link plz

>>378018234
So then are reavers affected by it too? Or are scarabs also already made and invisible?

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>>378004101
Are there vods of the matches? I've only been watching ASL stuff, I had no idea there were other brood war organizations.

>>378004101
DED GAEM

>>378019640

It's a meme perpetuated by faggots.

>>378007106
They giving out BW for free, they know no one is going to buy Remastered for $60. They're going to be doing ongoing updates and a proper ladder system too, so it's not just a graphical update.

Its funny that Blizzard has come to terms that SC2 sucks balls so they are trying to ressurect BW.
Im quite happy with that development.

>>378020354

Except for the fact that they are still very actively supporting SC2.

>>378004101
>starcraft
noone has cared in years

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>>378019640
>SC2 is the biggest RTS

>SC2 has Alarak
>SC1 doesn't
SC2 is better by default.

>>378021410

Name a bigger one.

SC2 has ~10k people online at all times and had 280k people ranked in 1v1 last season. Which RTS is bigger than that?

Please tell me.

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>>378006687

>>378019894
Reavers are affected by it, but it's not as noticeable because Scarabs don't shoot 8 at a time, and yeah, like Interceptors they're already "made", they're just invisible.

You'd need a shit ton of Reavers (well beyond the food cap) to hit the cap for Scarabs, at which point it would stop "building" them inside the Reaver and give an error message. It happens to Carriers, but like Reavers, they cost an exorbitant amount of PSI, so they never hit that cap.

For comparison, Valks cost 3 food each, shoot roughly 4 missiles (units) per second.

Reavers cost 4 food, shoot 1 unit ever 2.8+ seconds, with a production time on Scarabs at 4 (game) seconds.

Carriers don't shoot any units, the interceptors already exist once built.

>>378021645
By /v/'s definition, everything Blizzard does is "dead", so I don't know why you'd be surprised some retard on here would say that.

>>378006543
I don't understand this at all. wc3 is the most boring game to watch

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>>378021410
>>378021772

It's an "anon stops replying" episode.

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>>378006687
there>

>378022113
what the fuck anon

>>378023467
>>378022113
>through all the doors
>through ALL the doors
missing some doors

>>378023467

>ONE LINE

>>378023916
I used one line in each door, but >>378023824
yeah did use one in ALL the doors

>>378024128
didnt*

>>378011137
>breaking rules 1 and 2

>>378026415

>4chan is fight club

Is this /b/ from fucking 2008?

Why do koreans do these games in the morning?

>>378028317
>3AM Pacific is 7PM Korea
I have no clue anon.

>>378021772
AoE2 has similar numbers if you combine Steam+Voobly