When I see people defend the crate system in overwatch why do

Microtransactions are required if you want to justify long term support for a multiplayer game to bean counters.

And the reality is, Overwatch's boxes are very easy to ignore.

>>377994342
>free updates require loot boxes

>>377994342
People who buy loot boxes are idiots.
People who spend money on skins are idots.
People who buy into rng boxes for skins are idiots.

Trying to argue with an idiot makes you an idiot.

Blizzard is smart because they know their idiots will buy into anything they offer.

There is no real defense for buyable loot boxes, but any arguments against it is always going to be ignored.

>>377994342
It's a shit game for SJWs and casuals. The target market is fucking retards.

It's ok when Valve does it

>>377994342
Man I don't even like playing it that much anymore but the skins are too cool so i always come back for events..im ashamed of myself though because the game is bare bones as fuck and honestly boring

>>377995669
The idea is that loot boxes bring the developers a reliable income of profit which allows them to make content updates and not charge for them.

If that's the case then I don't see why anyone would complain about them.

>>377994342
It's a shit game for SJWs and casuals. The target market is fucking retards

>>377996467
Same but fuck the rates though. Everything is legwndary nowadays and even with the 10 loot box I got from aplaying hots, I couldn't get a single Legendary skin. Not even epic. Fuck grinding for skins anymore, it isn't worth it when all you get are sprays.

>>377995568
But "Blizzard is forcing me to spend money to maybe get some cosmetics!"

>>377994342
It stroke me recently. You can't go to the casino if you're under 18, but the crate system is basically the casino coming to you. They just found a way to get around the system, and I really hope it will be seen as such soon and will be forbidden.

>>377997986
yea, just let me pay a set price for each dlc chunk instead of 1000$ to get a garunteed chance for a skin

>>377998103
I only spent $160 and got everything from this event barring a couple player icons and sprays

>>377997986
It isn't the same because you are guaranteed to gain something.

>>377998240

>only spent $160

for like 7 skins

WEW LAD!!!

Overwatch so far has been the least offensive with lottery boxes. Call of Duty, another Activision property, has fucking gun variants that are straight upgrades over vanilla. Meanwhile Battlefield's Battlepacks are just fucking boring so no one cares about them, much less buy them with actual money.

>>377998240
but that's too much, why can't i just pay 60 $ like a normal game and get everything, even gold editions dont cost 160$

>>377994342

Lootboxes are double dipping, holding back content that could be enjoyed via unlocks or progress and locking them behind paying even more money than you already have.

Lootboxes are only acceptable when the game itself is discounted to consider this withheld content.

Say what you will about Blizzards games but those fuckers sure know how to rake in fucking cash like its going out of style.

>>377998526
How much did the Real Money Auction House net them? I know Diablo 3 sold gangbusters, but Blizz cashed in that goodwill.

Starcraft 2 is doing worse than Starcraft 1.

Heroes of the Storm is a meme.

WoW still bleeding subscriptions.

So that leaves Overwatch and lootboxes.

>>377998720
how come OWshills always have this urge to claim every Blizzaga game besides theirs is terrible

You're justifying a company trying to sell you content that you've technically speaking already paid for.

Crates are fine in HotS, they can fuck off from Overwatch. The only wall you can put content behind a game I've paid for is a challenging wall.

>>377998720
>I know Diablo 3 sold gangbusters
I'm sorry anon I mcan't into whatever slang you're using, what does that mean?

>>377998927
>You're justifying a company trying to sell you content that you've technically speaking already paid for.
And what makes you say that?

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>new overwatch update
>its mainly skins
>which are from boxes
>argue to overcucks that you need to pay to even get a chance of these skins, you don't guaranteed to get it and its wrong
>HURRR BUT YOU CAN PLAY THE GAME FOR 15 HOURS A DAY LIKE ME AND GET BOXES FOR FREE, YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENTS
>mfw

>>377998720
The cash shop in WoW and the lootbox overwatch bullshit literally prints them money, even if only 1 in 5 players even buy boxes it's pretty much free money especially since it's essentially gambling. Paying for rng cosmetics what a joke

>>377998720
>Starcraft still sells copies
>"I-its doing worse than Starcraft 1!"
>proceeds to completely ignore that it stills nets them money

>"HotS is a meme!"
>people are massively leaving LoL for it and are buying lootcrates non-stop
>proceeds to completely ignore the massive amount of money it generates

>WoW is still nets millions upon millions of dollars especially with the skeleton-crew they have working on it
>"I-its bleeding subs!"
>proceeds to completely ignore the massive amount of profit it still generates

>"S-so i-its only O-overwatch that generates money!"

you're either extremely underage or extremely retarded

Remember when people first saw crates and feared most of the skins would be crates and paid only and blizzard assured people it wasn't true.

Hahahah oh right no one remembers... only me huh?

Stop being dumb jews and earn the loot boxes like the rest of us. They're not cutting content, you can still earn it relatively easily. I've not paid a cent on the game besides buying it and I've already got all of the skins I want.
>hurr don't have 5 hours a day
It takes two to three games to level up, how about you win for a change?

>>377999210
What exactly are you saying?

>>377999073
The fact that I've bought the game.

>>377998720
Diablo 3 sold insanely much and had a good run with the RMAH; they easily made a few times the money back
HotS is picking up steam
SC2 also sold enough, gooks are still loving it for some insane reason
WoW has made them enough money to plate their whole headquarters with diamond-unfused gold, it's probably still turning a profit now that the sub numbers have dropped drastically
And of course you've completely ignored Hearthstone, the fucking golden goose of taking nothing and making it shit gold. Are you aware of how fucking popular that game is, while being stingy as hell?

I'm not sure what your point is, but anon is entirely correct, Blizzard are the gods of turning nothing into money wells

>>377998835
I'm saying out of all of Blizz's properties OW is the one making money, unless you have numbers proving otherwise.

>>377999129
If you don't want everything you can realistically get the skins for your favorite characters. Most of /v/ is little kids who have all time in the world to play. The rest should have jobs and can buy boxes if he wants to.

The boxes aren't the problem it is the lack of new maps game modes and heroes.

>>377999257
And your point being?

>>377999262
>I'm saying 'statement straight out of your ass'
>unless you can prove otherwise!
nice going anon

Titanfall 2 which has made probably a tenth or less of what OW has made has all their content free. KF2 has its content free, 1 almost did until the end.

>>377999325
>The rest should have jobs and can buy boxes if he wants to.

It's not about being able to afford boxes you mongoloid. It's about it costing money in a game that already costs money to play

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>>377999210
>But all the skins are free! Just make sure you play enough before they're gone forever!

Honestly I think if they didn't disappear forever after each event less people would hate the system.

>>377999343
If you're going to make a counter-argument make one. Stop wasting my time.

>>377998720
I don't think I'm going to trust the word of someone who forgot about fucking Hearthstone when talking about money-making franchises, anon.

>>377999510
You have no argument so I can't make a counter-argument.

Who fucking cares. They contain only cosmetics. There's no advantage to buying them, they're designed for fucking morons and only fucking morons will bu- haha oh wait, all Overwatch players are fucking morons so that goes without saying I guess.

>>377999501
Why the hell would you buy George socks?

>Honestly I think if they didn't disappear forever after each event less people would hate the system.

Then there's no scarcity and drive to actually play the game or buy boxes. People can bitch all they want, but it doesn't stop the urge to buy individuality.

>>377999606
>pay standard industry price for a game
>gate most of the content behind limited events, RNG and payfor RNG chances at getting items which essentially amounts to gambling

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

>>377999325
>The boxes aren't the problem it is the lack of new maps game modes and heroes.

I see this argument a lot, which is valid, but what other game really does this as well as is expected of Overwatch?

>>377999810
>Cosmetic skins are content

> Pay $60 for a multiplayer only shooter with only a few maps and less heroes than most F2P games.

> Charge you for cash boxes on top of it.

Holy fuck, who falls for this shit?

>>377999454
First the meme: boxes are not mandatory in any way and only sperglords bitching about not having certain skins.

Second: when will you people understand $60(actually 40 or less) is not enough for a modern game. You want better graphics, better everything, games not optimalised for the weakest console (because there games actually sell)? Then let developers charge more for the game and don't buy them from shady key sites or years later for a fraction of their price. Until you pretend game prices can never go up, the developers pretend you get the complete package, updates, servers etc for 20 bucks and fill it with microtransactions.

>>377999810
>cosmetic skins count for most of the content
uhhh

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>>377999927
> Pay $60 for a multiplayer only shooter with only a few maps and less heroes than most F2P games.

Good bait

>>377994342
Did they ever reveal the rates?
I heard China was forcing them to do so.

>>378000000
nice

>>377999810
>if I can't kill people as pumpkin reaper I miss out on content in game

>>378000036
Yea, was made public.
Rates were pretty much as expected.

>>378000000
How's Paladins and Dirty Bomb doing?

Also nice GET faggot.

>>377999943
they made a billion dollars from OW. I think thats enough for real content

>>378000134
Paladins and Dirty what?

>>378000149
you know what's better than a billion dollars? a million dollars

>>378000036
They revaled it sometime ago. It is not that bad on paper, but since you can get the same item again it is really shitty actually. If I remember correctly you are expected to get at least one legendary item in 15 boxes. The real problem is the coin cost of the rare items. 3000 is a lot for an average player especially if he can't count on a steady income from dupes.

No wonder they only make legendary skins now. Even a few extra legendary widens the pool so much you have to be very lucky to get what you want.

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>>378000134

at least Paladins is actually fun

>mfw its fun and Overwatch is not fun

>>378000334
Dupes should give their full cost.

It's retarded that it doesn't.

>>378000494
Shut up and buy more boxes.

>>378000494
Even if not the full it is really shitty thing event items give you the same dupe price.

>>378000134
Paladins, gameplay wise, is a better game than overwatch.

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I'd rather spend $100 on Fate Grand Order gacha then fucking Overwatch boxes.

Fucking blizzard cucks.

>>377999943
First the meme: It's content that was in the game when I bought it. So yes, they're pretty damn mandatory. They can do with the newer skins whatever they want.

Second: Overwatch isn't a full game by any stretch of the word. It didn't have a decent amount of maps when it just released, it didn't have any single-player content. The idea that this is a full AAA game with incredible graphics is laughable.

>>377998278
Funny how the chinks already know this is fucked up and enforce to show drop rates

>paying money for a dice roll

lmao

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>>378000964
>>378000410
>>378000208
Damn, so no one cares about Dirty Bomb? I thought the beta was alright, but seems it got completely overshadowed by OW and later Paladins.

>>378001076
>already know
Just how out of the loop are you? Like years ago Valve was forced to shut down gambling sites that were using their skins as currency.

>>378001135

I just haven't tried it anon, it good?

Anything is better than CS:GO or overwatch or playerunknowns fuck off I don't care lands.

>>377999182
>people are massively leaving league for hots
>this level of delusion
Kek

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>>378001028
>Fate/Grand Order

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>tfw i only play Overwatch to justify the money i spend on it

>>378001172
That is a whole another thing.

The thing is that nobody knows what they are getting from their boxes. What they are getting for their money

>>378001338
I got the $40 poorfag edition at launch and I'd say I got my money's worth. It was either this or Battlekangz.

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>>378001338
>I only play Overwatch because I like winning over little kids more than I hate the shit game
I just live for my petty victories..

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>>377998240

>>377998240

remember when you spent $20-60 and got the full game?

Instead of 60 for a platform to consume your wallet?

>>377998240
I've played the game for 67 hours total and have every skin I want
for free baring 40$ to buy the game

>>378000964
Too bad Hi-Rez went MAXIMUM OVERJEW once again.

>>378001058
It was $40 when it was released. Any non RPG AAA title nowadays is 8 hours tops and costs $60 with barely any replayability. The skin unlocks are barely different from any game where you have to grind endless hours for an item.

What you get for 40 is a multipalyer game you can sink hundreds of hours into with a big community and support. If you don't like it you can play any free to play game you like more.

>>377994342
Why do people always lose their shit over this? You don't have to pay for them and they accumulate over time because it's so easy to forget they even exist.

>>377997986
Every RNG game does this after they realized it works so well on phones. People addicted to this shit. Not so long ago you had to do something and even if it was long ass suffering you got the thing you wanted. Now you just get a chance to get the thing you wanted.

When I heard there were new costumes, I thought: "Hey that is cool, they needed to put in new content for the regular loot boxes for a long time".

I log in and find out they are "limited edition anniversary lootboxes". Fucking really? I can understand having lootboxes for events that repeat like Christmas or Halloween, but really?

Cosmetics are fine in loot boxes as they have zero effect on the game but when you start putting buffs and gameplay changes in em that's when it becomes a cunt.
I am gonna say this anniversary event with its timed items is garbage though, they should've had the skins at discounted prices during the event then after just bumped em up to 3k again, at this point people who've been playing the game for a long time will have a lot of the items in the standard list

>>377999683
They could have made skins cost 10k and have little to no drop rate after the event, i mean this way the chance is still there, however small.

>>377995906
sounds like you're poo desu.

When an event comes out i wait until the last day to buy 24 boxes ($20) and that's only if i didn't get what i wanted from the free boxes through levelling by then, which most of the time i do.

>>378002936
poor*

>>377999926
>cosmetic skins are not content

Dudes, what world are you living in? Surely not in "reality", most likely in retard land.
You have exactly 1 minute to explain how cosmetic skins aren't content.
Go.

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>realized I only play the game to get cosmetics
>realized that there's no point in having cool cosmetics if I don't actually want to play the game
And that's how I broke the Overwatch cycle. And you can too

>>378001960
I dunno, their "all heroes, free, forever" is cheaper than buying OW

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>>378003875
ViM draws some nice booties, but his anuses are fucking terrible.

>>377999129
You are not entitled to skins :^).

But seriously, why do you fags cry about cosmetics? I could understand your position if the things you got from lootboxes enhanced your character/gameplay, but they don't.
So why are you upset?

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>>378003875
I broke after paying money for the stupid year of the cock Mei skin.

>>377999129
>HURRR BUT YOU CAN PLAY THE GAME FOR 15 HOURS A DAY LIKE ME AND GET BOXES FOR FREE, YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENTS
They even made it so you can buy event items with coins so you can buy things you really want if you just play the game actively even between the events. Yeah you probably won't get everything but if you're an active player you can definitely get things for your favorite hero or two. Literally git gud.

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>>378004386
You're not wrong. But when I saw him draw ballbusting my dick fucking exploded

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>>377994342
It's not anon.

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>see new update
>boot the game up for the first time in months
>play an entire afternoon for boxes
>it's only white and blue shit items
>nu/v/ claims game is not pay to win

I will never give Blizzard/Activision more than the bare minimum to play. Imagine if they took the money from 11 million monthly subs during WotLK and put half of that towards new content.

>>377994342
Despite all the bluster, OW's pay model really is the best case scenario. It's really a shame because the economy isn't bad at all, and the game doesn't try to cuck you out of characters and maps and content, just virtual doll clothes that I couldn't give a shit about.

But the game and balance itself just sucks donkey dick and it's obvious they're not gonna do a damn thing to change it because it makes for "Cuhrazy" esports

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>>377994342

Not only do you get a box every single level, you can get 3 from the arcade and every event lets you get at least 1. Granted that won't guarantee anything good but it's certainly not bad. Plus everything is fucking cosmetic so it doesn't fucking matter.

>>378004880
>you can get 3 from the arcade
I usually don't do Arcade. How do I get this?

>Install overwatch
>Play for 5 minutes
>Get triggered by the horrible balance
>Stop playing for multiple weeks
>Repeat
How can anyone take this shit?

>>378004937

Win 9 games, 3 times give you a box, resets every week so that's at least 3 boxes a week.

>>378004937
Win 9 times in any arcade mode
Some modes also have extras attached to them for the first win
Resets every week so given that these events last for ~3 weeks you can get 15-20 boxes just by playing the fucking game.

You could purchase 1 legendary skin an event by grinding boxes in the arcade.
By your 4th bronze star you should have 1 skin you like for every character and this is without spending any money.
Lets see you get a knife in CSGO by spending nothing because Blizzard is doing it right this time.

>"Loot boxes" should be regulated like gambling, odds should have to be in plain sight where they are purchasable and during unlocks and any game with them should instantly be rated AO

DISCUSS

>>378005179
Also, when you buy them the odds should have to be shown on screen in large writing and have another confirmation window after it's been shown.

>>378005179
>>378005216
That's retarded. You're retarded.

>>378005179
>>378005216
Showing odds is the only reasonable idea but it will also not really do anything of value because just by seeing them you can't influence them

>>378005179
>any game with them should instantly be rated AO

Yes. Loot Boxes are actual gambling and kids shouldn't be doing it, adults are fine to spend their money any way they please though.

>>378005179

>make a game unmarketable by giving it an unnecessary AO rating

Not even getting into the fact that AO might as well not exist due to the fact that it's rarely ever used that's stupid.

>>378002936
why though

it's an fps you don't see your character

>>378005317
>gambling
>you can't get anything of monetary value
What?

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>and Splatoon gets mentioned
The difference here is that Splatoon came out 2 years ago, the free updates stopped after a year and now we're about to see the release of Splatoon 2.

Overwatch is not going to have an "Overwatch 2" any time soon, and will continue to be updated for several years. Like TF2, models like this aren't viable unless you have some form of income from existing players, not just new ones.

>>377994342
>What games did a free update model well?

Team Fortress at the start

Cosmetic items dropped rarely but you could trade it untill you got what you wanted. If you REALLY wanted a certain item, you could buy it directly, but you woyuldnt be able to trade it.

Everything got ruined when crates arrived.

>>377994342
>blizzard apparently in such a financial struggle that they can't keep a (FULL PRICED) game that has apparently sold millions updated without going full jew with pointless crates

??? The money they made from selling the game should be more than enough on it's own. OW won't have as much traction as people think, last I heard people were already getting bored with it. Cash shop is just there to maximise profits from retards before moving onto the next big score, it isn't there to pay for updates.

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>game comes out
>no high expectations but it's surprisingly fun
>play with friends every day and have a good time
>suddenly blizzard forces esports cancer down everyone's throats
>friends fell for the esports meme and now play competitive only
>give it a try
>expected to pick the same characters every game
>expected to play the same team composition every game
>game stops being fun, matches feel like a chore
>go back to playing quickplay
>friends keep bothering me to play ranked and give me shit for not playing with them anymore
>stop playing
T-thanks, Bli$$ard.

>>377994342
While it's hard to argue that skins being semi-paywalled (in sense that you can't get what you want without cash), I just can't agree with this system. All old games had many skins for absolutely free, and even more if you count mods in. Right now, though, some games outright ask money for it (BF1's recent "womenz" debate is basically this, they release set of skins and make it sound like revolution), and it seems that any AAA-game of near future will have either boxes or traditional DLCs as methods of acquiring skins.

What's bad about it? It rules out player's actions out of the equation. Difference between skilled and unskilled player is only in speed of receiving of boxes. Someone can carry whole round and be simply excellent McCree/Widowmaker/Junkrat, they can do unorthodox things, they can follow meta to the letter, and then get bottom-tier skins. Someone else can miss 90% of shots and be dead weight for team, and get legendary they want. RNG unlocking makes player's actions inconsequential outside of decision to play or not to play.

Better system, I think, would be ability to set yourself some sort of filters or goals. Like, you want this hiver Mei suit? Then play X games, do ult Y times, gain Z levels. Unlock it, work for it. Like... Let's say, UT2004 required you to complete singleplayer to get Malcolm/Clanlord/Xan skins (or, well, ability to locate required string in text file and change three numerical values). I'm sure if some of greater minds in gamedev sat down to make nice system for this kind of thing, they'd come up with something good, instead of what marketeers told programmers to implement.

>>378005380
Many of the skins actually change the way your guns look, or modify the appearance of abilities.

Take for example Hanzo's wolf skin turning his dragons into wolves, or junkrats tires.

>>377996035

Nice point actually

>>377994342
>>377995568
this
I bought 5 lootboxes one time on the last day of an event because I missed out on a skin that I farmed all week-long for
I got the skin and it was pretty worth it considering its my main and the reason I picked up the game in the first place

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>>378000000
hextuples of truth
everybody go home

>>378005929
Your friends are idiots and you blame Blizzard for that?

>>377995568
>Skins that can never be obtained again unless blizz uses it for the event next year
>skins that always lay in the bottom of the menu taunting you
>VERY EASY TO IGNORE

Honestly, if they just allow me to get the skins off season, i would be happy

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They should at least give you a guaranteed skin in the free box they give you
All I want is that Sentai Genji, but it'll be another month where I don't get the one skin I want and stop playing until the next update

>>378006017
(cont.)
Also, about loot boxes income allowing free updates - sorry, but that is bullshit. Or not. Either way, some bullshit is hidden there. If we go ahead and think that recent tweet about 30 millions of players is truth and means game sold 30 millions copies (which is kinda implied by this wording - "look, we got so many people to play our game, which is not F2P by the way), then 30.000.000 by $40 (cheapest edition there is) equals 1.2 fucking BILLION bucks.

Since jews rule world, no one actually knows proper sales across platforms and media, so let's assume some stuff. With PC taking 25% of all sales, we have 75% left for console versions. PS4 is arguably dominant console this gen, so let's give this version 45%, and remainder goes of 30% goes to MS.

PC then gives us 30mil * $40 * 0.25 = 300 millions. Let's assume that in age of digital wonders 2/3 of sales were done via Battle.n- Oh, right, ""Blizzard App"" (yes I'm mad), thus 200 millions go straight into Blizz pockets. Remaining 100 are shared between Blizz and retailers in some way, let's assume it's 70%/30% share, so finally, Blizz get 270 millions from PC alone. This /should/ cover games budget, has to, or else someone has big problems with spending habits.

PS4... Oh well, I'm getting tired writing all this, let's just slap 50%/50% share for both this and X1, if any insider is present, they are more than welcome to correct me. 30 mil * $40 * .75 * .5 = 450 mils.
Alltogether this estimates to 720 mils of green papers, which includes most likely totally off shares, assumption no one ever bought more expensive editions of game and no one is actively pouring money for loot boxes.

So. Either Blizz sold not as much copies or their game is literally made out of gold on diamond PCs if they need boxes sales to push out updates.

> The casino would be closed if people stopped paying frequently.

Hmm.

>>377997986
Isn't this exactly why crate systems are being banned in some countries? The system in Rocket League is literally a slot machine.