Bloodstained is 20% complete, after 3 years. Last year they

>>377993713
isn't it just on unity or UE4 or something? how does make a simple side scroller take so long?

>>377993772

It's UE4.

>how does make a simple side scroller take so long?

The Inti-Creates Special Touch.

Creative people with no bosses and a lot of money tend to do this.

>>377995549
>"""""""""Creative"""""""""

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>>377995549
Also, I think the main problem lies in that they were already paid fullfront. If there was a kickstarter that released payments per goal meet it would be actually neat instead of this scam ridden shit.

Putting percentage markers on game development is absolutely fucking retarded. How do you quantify 20%? What does that actually entail? Are you judging by number of things left to implement or do you judge by size of the content/difficulty of implementation? Is one area 20%, is it smaller, is it greater? People just throw out random numbers without much meaning behind them. If they say the game is still planned for 2018 then chances are the 20% figure is bullshit and it's actually much further along than that and they're saying 20% because they mean the polish or something of that nature in an attempt to quell fear that what you're seeing now doesn't look as good as you might want. I could understand that with Mighty No. 9 having kinda fucked the system up for everyone they would be hesitant about announcing delays, but they announced a delay almost immediately for the game and have been fairly up front with the process.

>>377993713
The first half of any game development's time is repeated iteration and building the game's core systems, that part is done as far as they know. Something might come up later but it down pat or so they think.

Asset generation and building the rest of the game is the other half. If the game's content is 20% complete and they don't have to go back to the drawing board to rework the core systems then 70% of the game's dev time is already done. This is more or less what he was trying to say.

>>377995549

They have a publisher, 505 studios.

>20-30% completion rate is a rough estimate and it's about how much the game is complete as a whole. What we're currently experiencing is incomplete game systems and manual implementation of certain features prioritized for the E3 demos. When the game system is complete, we could start mass-producing game features such as the enemies, items, weapons, shards, etc to implement into the game. It is true that our progress is still slow and we need to pick up our pace from here. Once these core systems are in, our progress will speed up massively. Note that the percentage also doesn't include materials that are already made, but not in game yet.

In other words, they're still fine tuning the engine with artists doing shit on the side. If it's not in the game yet, it doesn't count. Once the foundation is solid and where they want it to be, the pace will fucking accelerate, starting with adding all the shit that is completed but not yet implemented. Asset creation goes much faster, especially when you are the master of asset reuse like Iga's games usually are.

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Iga is showing Inafune how a con job is done.

>>377996919
Where's that comic about those retards shouting at boats when you need it.

>>377993772
Well, Iga had to hire a whole new batch of people to correct inti-Creates bullshit.
Also at least 40% of games is ground work. The rest is just models and animations slapped on and molded to fit the ground work.
Longest part of building a structure is support beams stable flooring. They are currently finishing that up before they just start making nothing but art slapped on 3d models to fill out the game. gotta work out the mechanics and shit.

>>377996545
Well seeing as everything is completely newly made assets the only way he is going to reuse them is color and enemy and weapon a slighting different color and call it a brand new thing.

Which is honestly more lazy than just pilfering a old enemy from a old game.

I guess Shantae will be completed about 5 years before

>>377997850
That's how these games are designed, brev. If you're going into it not expecting that you're 99% likely to be disappointed. Also they've already shown off their randomly generated hall/room assets where the game will spawn things randomly to create variance.

>>377993713
I really don't think the intro stage of a pre-alpha game was even 10%. Maybe like 2% of the total size the game shall be.

>>377997971
You haven't played a castlevania have you.
The only enemies that ever get recolors are the werewolves and flea men. Maybe a demon once or twice. And they only get one recolor.

>>377998087
Seeing as it is supposed to be "Iga's biggest castle yet" the percent range that the demo covers isn't in a solid 1%

>>377998368
This is also going to be the biggest Igavania game he's ever made, are you sure the asset reuse doesn't go up along with that?

>>377995805
what do you mean, like periodically releasing the chance to pay them?

>>377998368
Skeletons

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>>377998430
That was what I was thinking as well. Even on a budget Iga's games are enormous. His "biggest ever" sounds like a truly massive pile of work, so I am not surprised that the thing is at 20-30% complete.

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>>377998690
Some do, some don't.

>>377998593
Possibly. But the monsters they are using all have rather specific depictions in the lore they are based on. there is like 63 different monsters they can work with.
You telling me they are going to just flake and recolor them?

>>377996230
>I have never heard of a project plan

You'd fit right in with inti

Why does the art style look so bad? It looks like a flash game. I dont know but the colors just look a bit too pastely but its in this supposed grim setting. It really clashes.

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>>377998847
The monster in The Key of Solomon are a given, but there is no reason for the to add other monsters.

>>377998615
I think the idea would be closer to a standard dev/publisher cycle almost on a paycheck system. Devs get A dollar amount to hit B milestone, once they hit B milestone they get C amount to reach D milestone, etc. Not up front funding, but rather making sure the project comes along through measured pay cycles. Honestly though I think people just hate that kickstarter and crowdfunding in general is a risk rather than always being guaranteed quality, but even with a different system that doesn't necessarily mean the game would be much better, you'd only be stopping people from taking the money and running which has happened an astronomically low percentage thus far. It has happened and with some big named projects to boot, but it's not really a plague that's running rampant with the system.

>>377998963
>It looks like a flash game
I really don't even know how you could ever begin to justify this conclusion. Either way, it's in the style of every other Igavania. Look at this shit for instance

>>377998803

Same idea, just 2D vs 3D. It's not supposed to be a grim and dark and frightening game, it's an action game with a horror theme but theme is as far as it goes. You're supposed to feel like a badass vampire hunter. It's like the difference between a slasher film and Hellsing.

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>>377998963
>flash
You sure, anon?

I really don't get why it's taking them so long. UE4 is like baby mode engine for baby developers. They could literally have all the programming done in a month if they dedicated their time to it. But if they're Japanese then there's a good chance they're completely incompetent/horrible at programming.

>>377996545

Its one of those things that happens with statistics. While they only have 20% of a complete game that doesn't mean only 20% of the workload to make the game is complete.

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>>377999314
>why it's taking them so long
Take a gander at this little list.

>>377999236
fuck that game consumed my 10th grade life

>>377999396
how does anyone think this is a good idea

looks like a money grabbing scheme to me

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>>377999236
vs this in game model.

>>377996434
505 is a cheap and shit publisher though.

>>377999396
So they still going through with that Wii U port?

>>377999576
it's actually looking better close up than I thought it would, she actually looks really cute, they've been touching her up since the last model I saw I think.

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>>377999576
And the same thing. in action.

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>>377999709
No, they asked permission to shift it to Switch, I think. Something about WiiU being a dead console.

>>377999513
>https://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Xombiemike/bloodstained-still-planned-for-early-2018-437801.phtml
as a game dev i can say it is

>>377999709
No. They gave people the option to refund or switch systems I believe.

>>377999709
Nah I'm pretty sure they canned it.

>>377999396

Does David Hayter really cost 50,000 dollars?

I keep forgetting I spent money on this.

>>377999396
>virt
Is he really that good to be ahead of Yamane and Yamada?

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>>377999840
He is not the best voice actor out there, anon. People want him for nostalgia points.

the game could still be good just by sheer virtue that there aren't that many decent metroidvanias.

but this shit is looking pretty suspect, I think you would be retarded to expect a MN9 tier trainwreck here, but that doesn't mean they won't try

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For comparison, here's Mirror of Fate

Honestly I don't see how people would expect Bloodstained to be any better, a 7/10 is pretty much the best case scenario

>>378000014
He's one of the go to music guys now I'd say. Worked on a fuck ton of projects and by most accounts he's nailed it on most if not all. Even in games people don't think are particularly great, the soundtracks he does often get high praise. IGN gave Double Dragon Neon a 3/10 but said the soundtrack was amazing.

>>378000138
Why would anyone ruin their reputation over literal chicken feed? Inafune failed because he has no idea how to lead a project.

>>377993862
>The Inti-Creates Special Touch.
Is that the touch of death?

>>377999726
Is it really the same model? I think the shader they use it partly the problem but judging from the two pictures, I don't think the model looks good in the classic castlevania side scrolling perspective

>>378000014
I think you've got it backwards and this is actually about Yamane and Yamada being more essential. Virt is great though.

>>377996434
Wasn't actually Deep Silver?

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>>378000278
>Mirror of Fate
Wait, so does it suck or not?

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>>377993862
Anyone find it weird that Inti-Creates made 4 Megaman clones between 2014-2016 and the one they were outsourced to do, Mighty Number 9, was the worst one? I think the Gunvolt games are pretty bad, but MN9 feels like they intentionally made it absolutely terrible.

>>378000164
>>378000278
>>378000467
Jesus Christ this art style sucks it's so hard to make out anything.

>>378000484
Never trust the reviews on any platform, be it Steam or the consoles. They're always one extreme or the other, either a game is a perfect flawless experience because I played it and it didn't crash or have any terrible bugs or it's a horrendous piece of shit.

Mirror of Fate is pretty bad by the way. Like it's not a trainwreck but it's also one of the worst 2D Castlevania games.

No it means it will be shipped out 50% complete like literally every other game released in the last 10+ years

>>378000164
>>378000278
Probably by virtue of not having awful floaty, mushy physics. They intentionally neutered characters so other character would feel different making everyone feel awful to play.

>>378000625
Is it as bad as Castlevania II?

>>378000697
Different games. But do you honestly think it could be worse?

>>378000697
Castlevania 2 is better. I mean, Simon's Quest is probably more annoying to play, but the actual gameplay is good and the areas are fine. Mirror of Fate isn't annoying but the gameplay is pretty trash and doesn't have very good level design.

>>377999840
SAG and AFTRA need their union dues.

>>377999840
That's about what a VA costs, yes. You can see why games with hundreds of millions poured into "development" cost as much as they do.

>>378000787
Out of all the classic vanias and the metroidvanias I played, Castlevania II is the one I consider to be the worst. I literally had to struggle through it in order to finish it.

>>377999102
I would think that those milestones would have demos so we all know if its coming along nicely or not. Also, milestones would mean that these devs would need to work to get paid, as opposed to "have this money and let's cross fingers".

>>377999102
Wouldn't patreon work in this scenario? Devs try to pull some shit - backer pull out.

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>>378001000
Oh boy. I see you have never heard of western developers taking YEARS just to shit out some retarded pornographic text based furry bullshittery.

>>378000595
Not to mention all of the outsourced actual Mega Man games they made before then

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Skeleton Frisky

>>378000595

What I'm wondering is why everyone is going to Inti Creates for these types of games. All they've ever shoveled out has been mediocre.

>>378001307

Fucking nostalgia dude. I remember frisky posting.

>>378001312
Mega Man 9 and 10 and Megaman Zero are mediocre to you?

>>378000595
Yeah, I had suspicions they were appropriating money from their external projects and putting it into their own, while only outing minimal effort for the external, or maybe put new staff of the external, while veterans were internal. IC isn't a big studio, so the fact they were able to put out so many games in the span of mn9 was just too much. When I would bring it up in threads everyone said I was nuts or I was just baiting.

>>378001312

Cuz they're cheap and Japanese. That's it.

>>378001365

MM9/10 had Capcom on the direction side with Inti doing the grunt work. Plus, as simple Famicom clone games they were simple and cheap to do.

>>378001365

10 and Zero are. Megaman 9 was just OK, it rode the nostalgia meme pretty. 10 was pretty awful.

>>378001415
>>378001430
Okay well who else has done a better job at Mega Man than them recently?

>>378001526

Rozenkreustilette's devs.

>>378001430

MM9 is on par or better than 2 and the rest of the best MM games. MM10 is rushed and pretty solid.

I loathe bloodstained on the fact that Iga had to go and make a female protagonist

I still have hope, I don't want Castlevania to be 100% dead

>>378001526
Shovel Knight

>>378001660
Why does it matter?

>>378001721
If the reactions to a minute long teaser are anything to go by, the netflix series may just breath life back into the franchise.

>>378001841
Because she's blatant waifu bait so everyone on /v/ is goint to be shouting "GOTY"

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>>378001660

This is bait

>>378001660
who cares you still get a male secondary
and she has a great design

Well I already paid so the longer the develop it for the more value I get out of my money, right?

It's not some dumb Patreon shit where I pay by the month, encouraging them to take literally forever. Where completing the project would kill their income.

The more time the take, the better. As far as I'm concerned.

>>378001945
>who cares you still get a male secondary
I hope to christ he's playable off the bat, and that his campaign is gimped/abridged I don't want to have to put up with the cumdump

>>378001945
>she has a great design


looks like overdesigned deviantart waifushit

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>>377999057
the guy with the bird head reminds me of the eagle warriors in age of empires, and the ptsd the cheap bastards gave me.

>>378000029
Looks like stuff I used to make in google sketchup.

>>378002058
>looks like overdesigned deviantart waifushit
Explain.

>>377993713
>destructoid
lolno

>>377996919
Didn't he show up in a kimono with a cowboy hat to present the game in Japan?

>>377993713
Who cares? It's shaping up to be a terrible game. Just look at those empty corridors and haphazardly palced enemies that have intricate movesets but die in one hit. And the main character with enough HP to last a million hits so you never even have to bother dodging anything. It's SotN but without the good music or artstyle.

>>378002481

what's wrong with destructoid?

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>>378002540

>>378001386
>I had suspicions they were appropriating money from their external projects and putting it into their own
How does that even work? These projects were outsourced to Inti, it's not like they control the budget.

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The last stretch of game development is always that remaining 80%

There's nothing to worry about.

t. dev

>>377993713
>shitty side-scroller takes so long to build
Are they working on it 15 minutes per day or something?

>>378004035

>"dev"

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>>378001430
>10 was pretty awful.
10 is better than 9.

Do we even know when they started working on the full game?

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Doubt it'll top the other tansaku games.

>>378007968
>tansaku
I understand using weeb terms like eroge where we have no straight English equivalent but why are you just using a random Japanese word when we have that same word in our own language?

>>378010252

>implying the term "metroid-vania" makes you sound like anything but a special needs kid

>>378010507
That's not what I'm saying. I'm asking why he said "tansaku" instead of "exploration".
He could at least write it in kanji too if he wants to be a healthy weeb.

>>378007968
Shantae, while charming, isn't that great of an example of the genre when it come to how progression works, and really neither is Momodora 3 due to the overall scope of that game being small with few movement options (basically just cat form) or out of the way or otherwise optional locations.

List needs stuff like Valdis Story, the freeware version of Treasure Adventure Game, and the recent Hollow Knight.

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Still being updated faster then Cube World.

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>>377993713
I don't fucking get it.
Why do you want this game to fail?
Why do you even think it will fail when we've already got a demo that puts it ahead of the game you shitposters love to compare it to? (Mighty Number 9)
Why do you think that their completion % is an indicator that the game will take so many additional years when creating the initial engine and art assents takes way more fucking time than just making maps?

>>378002832
why is he so perfect

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>>378011152
>Knows the answer is memes
>Posts an image containing the answer, which is memes
>Asks his question anyway
Why?

>>378011152

>10% progress in 1 year is totally fine guys

>>378011458
I'm challenging more people to think for themselves instead of regurgitating a (shit) opinion

>>377999396
Stretch goals are such a mistake. No project should have them. And if they DO have them they should be post game developed

>>378011810

The idea at the time is more money = good.

But poorly thought out stretch goals hurt it as they make having to do more and more stupid shit that they shouldn't.

They should do something like:

>stretch goals just for bigger levels
>all money earned after this will be put away for teh sequels.

>>378011891
Tough shit, now they're programming a Wii U port.

>>378012584

WiiU port cancelled, moved to switch.

>>378011152
>initial engine
This game uses Unreal Engine.
They should have chosen Unity instead for easier porting

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>>377993713
I knew that piece of shit was a scam. It feels so good to be right

>Post yfw you didn't back Bloodstained

>>378013180
>Someone on /v/ thinks a developer SHOULD have used Unity

Is this fucking backwards day?

>>378010507
It's a short fucking phrase to describe a genre you child.

>>378013384
Any good reason why they shouldn't have used it instead?
Do you know anything about game engines or are you just meme spouting faggot who bases his Unity experience for steam's indie shovelware games?

>>378013583
I didn't imply anything about my own opinion on Unity, I simply pointed out how fucking rare it is to get a proponent for it on this board

>>378000625
i liked trevor ending, dem feels