"But the Parasite says 'No! What is yours is ours.

>>377982684
stacking all the wrench, speed, stealth, damage and lifesteal tonics/upgrades is the only way to play

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>>377982815
Nah, got to go with a boomstick as my gunfu

Also, I'm going through Bioshock 2 now on the hardest difficulty, what's the best way to take down a Big Daddy? So far, I'm just attaching trap rivets and mines to a barrel before throwing it at him.

>>377983114
Having distractions is key, either robots or turrets or decoys.

>Play remaster for achievements
>Missed one of the upgrade machines despite checking a guide
>Couldn't be arsed to find which one I missed.

Ree and all that.

>>377982684
Why was the PC port so shitty? It may not be as bad as Dark Souls 1 on PC, but goddamn it's a buggy mess.

Went back and played 2's remastered. Holy shit is it bad.

>>377983471
in what sense?

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>tfw you can never play Bioshock for the first time ever again

>>377982815
It's the only way I can explore in peace due to Splicers respawning every 10 seconds. Yeah, there's the Big Daddy suit that stops enemy aggro, but fuck walking around with that claustrophobic viewport.

>>377983471
I tried it, and there was nothing "remastered" about it. Hell, there were more bugs than the original, such as Grace Holloway clipping on her chair when you meet her.

>>377983256
>Realize I'm missing one prior to Fontaine battle
>Backtrack to find it
>It's in the 7th zone that I look
It took me more than an hour but my autism would have ignited if I left it.

Thank god Bioshock 3 is being made by the guys made 2
Also I hope to god Infinite is not Canon after 3 comes out

>>377983471
The game crashed every 30 minutes or so like clockwork, no amount of fixes I found online made it work any better. The regular version still works just fine though.

>>377983114
Use the Security Plasmid, find a (preferably hacked) camera, then throw the Plasmid at it.

>>377983471
Level design is shit and graphics are a complete step down compared to the first game to start off

>>377983579
>you will never piece things together in jungs lab again
>you will never see the golf club scene for the first time again

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>>377982684
obligatory

>>377983902
Wait, what?
Source?

>>377983902

What the fuck what? They're making a Bioshock 3? Since when?

>>377984032
Pretty succinct

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>>377982684
I can't wait for Far Cry 5...

Played bioshock for the first time a week ago, system shock did everything better. I was bored/uninterested the entire time, some of the enemy designs were great though.

>>377984391
theres already been 20 threads of this today dont bring it here

Why is it called bioshock?

>>377984446
Did we really learn something from Bioshock Infinite?

>>377984634
"bio" means water duh

>>377984408

>some of the enemy designs were great though.

Actually one of my biggest criticisms for Bioshock 1 & 2 is that they didn't go nearly far enough or out there with the Splicer designs. They all just looked like slightly deformed people. They should have had splicers that were so fucked up and spliced they didn't even resemble humans at all anymore. Tentacles and multiple mouths, eyes, limbs, heads and shit like that. Something like the centaurs from the Fallout games.

>>377984634
Its just a good name

>>377984891
Not him but that'd be going a bit too far. I agree enemy designs were very underwhelming but that was mainly due to the focus being directed toward other shit, like the big daddies, bajillion plasmids, guns, gun upgrades, which was quite a bit for a game that looked like that back in 2007. Making them more lovecraftian abominations would certainly add variety but it'd go against the theme of 1950s objectivism gone fucking haywire underwater.

HOT OPINIONS:

System Shock 2>Bioshock>System Shock>Bioshock 2>>>>>>Bioshock Infinite

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>>377982684
Threadly reminder that the best way to play the original is with vita-chambers disabled, the medkit button unbound (or just practice discipline if you're on console), and hardest difficulty.

>enemies become threats
>you can't trade damage and spam medkits
>food becomes relevant
>tonics like booze hound and extra nutrition actually become good
>health stations are actually used properly; islands of health amidst a sea of damage

>>377983471
1's wasn't much better on PC. Pic related

>>377984649
yeah not to make a bland ass bitchass game then be like "oh yeah racism!" instead itll be a far cry game which is "fun" its appeal has always been fun if you dont find it fun then thats opinion its never been a real thinker series .

Post your ideas for a new BioShock.

>Set in the 80s/90s, in a version of the US where Plasmids/Vigors/Gene Tonics have become commonplace and everyone uses them
>Weapon system similar to Burial At Sea's (You have a weapons wheel but can alternate between 2 weapons with the tap of a button)
>Ammo types make a return
>More of an RPG open world type of game
>Story is entirely detached from Rapture/Columbia, save for a few references

burial at the sea is the biggest unholy lore rape piece of shit ever grace the bioshock franchise.

Prove me wrong.

>>377986542
No that was Bioshock 2

>>377986730
shut the fuck up ken levin I'm going to murder you in your cuck wooden shack of a home.

go fap elizabeth some more

>>377986730
retard

>>377986542
burial at sea feels more like somebody's Bioshock fanfic

>>377987195
except levin made it happened so now everybody think is canon. Fuck this world.

>>377982684
I agreed with pretty much everything this guy said.

how did this series fall so hard so fast?

It went from a clever and creative criticism of objectivism and the writings of Ayn Rand to racist saturday morning cartoon villains and pop sci mumbo jumbo

>>377982684

Why at the beginningof Bioshock would Jack just pick up a random syringe and shoot up?

Atlas should have said would you kindly pick that thing up and IV that shit.

>>377983114
drill

>I have built a city where capitalism is everything and you can do whatever the fuck you want unconstrained by what anyone else has to say about it
>oh shit Fontaine is doing whatever the fuck he wants and making mad bank off it and is becoming more influential than me despite simply doing what I built Rapture to accomodate
>I won't stand for this
Andrew fucking Ryan.

>>377988189
>He doesn't stick himself with needles he finds lying around
It's like you have no sense of adventure

>>377984408

As someone who played both System Shock and Bioshock;

They really aren't the same kind of game. Their similarities are only very surface level. Please stop comparing them, there's room enough for both. Thank you.

I played through Bioshock 1 so many times back in the day. I almost could speedrun it.
Bioshock 2 might've had not as much of a good story, but the overall gunplay improvements were very much welcome. Minerva's Den was also pretty cool.
If there was some way to put in the gunplay of 2 into 1 I'd be pretty damn happy.
We don't talk about Infinite.

>>377986542
It legit felt like a fanfiction.

>>377988189
He did say WYK.

>>377988430
That is literally the heart of capitalism though.

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>>377988091
Infinite failed in delivering a solid atmosphere/environment compared to its predecessors - anyone who's played the original Bioshock will know what I'm talking about, that intro level alone gets you deeply connected into the world of Rapture and the game's story as a whole - Infinite had none of that. By the time I got to that beach level, I had to take a step back and ask myself why the hell did the last 30 minutes of gameplay come from watching NPCs doing dance moves and eating cotton candy, it just felt so artificial, like the devs were trying to force you to care about the city's citizens. By the end of Infinite, I didn't feel any emotion towards Comstock or Elizabeth. Ironically, the only time I actually cared about Infinite was at the end when you visit Rapture again, and you can tell that it was only shoehorned into the game as a cheap method to squeeze nostalgia out of diehard fans

Thanks Ken, the Godfather Part 3 version of the Bioshock series was made right before your eyes, and you didn't even bother trying to stop it.

>>377990791
What could he do? Single people hold no power in massive organizations.

That's why AAA games are shit. If you have any expectations for them you are a fool because by design they are going to disappoint you if you aren't a casual.

>>377986941
>>377987161
>Der wuz a super secret collectivismistic psychologee ladey that Andy Ryan didnt Kill
>Noa we can be philomosophic abot Marks and Mills instead of An Ran.
>Also ur a super secert big dad who run fast and use a super sercet wepons that splices carry ammo 4

>>377988091
Ken Levine bought into his own hype.

Why would a big daddy who was built to use plasmids, and had used them in the past, have the same physiological reaction to plasmid installation as a human using plasmids for the first time?

>>377990791

What happened was the game dropped you literally head first into the action with no real clear reason why and it slowly built on mystery, suspense, and action all the way to the ending where you had no clue what was going to come next or what was beyond the next door. Everything was unique.

Infinite was the opposite. What made Bioshock great was the story and the atmosphere with the decent gameplay. Take away those and it's just a barely mediocre FPS.

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"Nothing to impede progress. If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows."
Mr. House is kind of the opposite of Ryan while also being very similar.

>>377990791
http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Bioshock_Infinite_Removed_Content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJYTeQlvC4

>We could have gotten a spooky turn-of-the-century inspired city with a unique atmosphere and setting that would be unlike anything we've ever seen before
>We could have gotten a story with a bunch of subtle political undertones and messages about the dangers of taking American exceptionalism/worker's rights too far
>We could have gotten an Elizabeth whose powers were more mystical and whose tears actually caused problems down the line if you used them too much
>We could have gotten a relationship between Elizabeth and Booker that feels natural, instead of whatever the fuck they were in the finished game
>We could have gotten a much more open world to explore and much more choices in terms of gameplay, loadouts, narrative choices, etc
>We could have gotten all sorts of terrifying and unsettling enemies that would put the splicers of BioShock 1 to shame

>Instead, all of that was scrapped for linear storytelling, generic FPS combat, and a shitty twist ending that doesn't even make sense when you think about it for more than 2 seconds

Seriously, what the fuck happened?

>>377991581
because plasmids have physiological effects on people regardless of how many times they've used it

>>377992605
Except Jack doesn't collapse on the ground in pain when he installs a second plasmid. Not to mention Atlas' "first time plasmid is a real kick from a mule" line.

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>>377982684
"But the Parasite says 'No! What is yours is ours. We are the state, we are God, we are The Many"

>>377982684
>Ayn Rand attempts to prove her philosophy right by writing contrived fictional scenarios where her ideals are correct
>Ken Levine attempts to prove her philosophy wrong by writing a contrived fictional scenario where her ideals are incorrect

>>377993830
Sounds like an appropriate response, to be honest.

>>377993830

I always disliked the 'Bioshock is a message on how unrestrained capitalism will ruin everything'.

From the audio logs, technology, and art and culture of the place Rapture was actually doing great until Fontaine started to fuck it up by instigating class warfare and supporting crime and civil war. If anything it only 'proves' that a libertarian society would be incredible. Same as Infinite, the society does not have a serious problem until Booker/Elizabeth starts to fuck it up and help drive forward the Vox.

>>377992572
QUANTUM PHYSICS MAKES ME FEEL DUMB
- Ken Levine

That's what happened.

>>377994416
>If anything it only 'proves' that a libertarian society would be incredible.

No. It proves it's extremely vulnerable to people like Fontaine, who can't be dealt with effectively without breaking the ethics of libertarianism.

That's like saying Animal Farm is claiming that socialism works when led by people like Snowball, when the actual point is that it's always going to be vulnerable to people like Napoleon.

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>>377982684
>>377993581

>B-b-b-but the parasite says 'No!' (the parasite says no). 'What is yours is ours. We are the state, we are God (are... God). We are The Insects'

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How DID Ken Levine do it???

What an amazing dev, really made me think.

>>377995069
I know that its impact is highly argued over on /v/, but Spec Ops: The Line should at least get a mention here

>>377995069
>Dishonored above Bioshock

Yeah, nah.

Currently replaying the remastered 1st one and nearing end.

Why does it make me play the dumb hacking minigame every 5 seconds? Combat is all right but too simple, it's getting little boring. Hate the "no inventory" system. Level design isn't great or memorable.

Atmosphere, story and art still hold up.

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>>377994964
>Nah.

>>377995069
Is Thi4f an immersive sim?

>>377995682
you don't have to? its perfectly possible to play this game as a pure shooter, and just buy things at full price

regardless of the quality aesthetics, this game is the perfect example of what's wrong with AAA development

very little depth to the game itself, but thousands of tiny little distractions and busywork everywhere

>>377983362
Because all console ports are bad.

>>377995069
Nigga, if you want to add Infinite there, you might as well add Unreal, Alien: Isolation and another five dozen "FPS with RPG elements".

I never understood why people wanted to play as a big daddy. I thought the excitement of Bioshock was a being a (seemingly) normal guy surrounded by gene-splicing lunatics, with only a wrench and super drugs as a defense.

If you play Bioshock with unlocked fov on a high resolution, Andrew Ryan's golf club death is out of frame due to the cutscene letterbox.

>>377996586
big fuck-off drill arm

Bioshock 2 is superior to Bioshock 1 from a gameplay perspective.

>>377997058
It's still not very good though. Removing petty niggles doesn't make the gunplay less weak, nor the enemies more reactive.

>>377997058

What do you like about the sequel's gameplay better than 1, anon?

I preferred the hacking in 2. 1's was so broken on PC, and absolutely raped the gameplay flow. I liked System Shock 2's the best out of the shock games I've played.

>>377992572
Holy shit, was ANY of the content in that video in the final game?

>>377997058

I disagree.

Making more things happen at once and more hectic does not necessarily make the game better.

Plasmids and ammo are supposed to be a resource. While Bioshock isn't really much of a survival horror game, some elements of that come from resources scarcity. Your Eve gives you an advantage in combat against tougher, faster foes and it takes a second to switch from gun to plasmid and using it. This is a good thing, it creates more tension in fights and is part of the windup. Bioshock 2 having guns AND plasmids at the same time ruined this. Additionally, the hacking minigame in Bioshock 2 was also worse because things got way too hectic when hacking while fighting, but I did like that if you aimed for the special blue bars you would get better rewards.

Personally I loved the pipe mania minigame from Bioshock 1 but having special powerups among the blocks that 'if your pipes go through here you get a bonus' would have been nice.

>>377995668
>Dishonored
>freedom within missions, freedom within how to approach objectives, player freedom with powers, upgrades as well as secret siderooms everywhere
>BioShock
>totally linear story, totally linear level design with a few secret siderooms
>WOW... really makes you think! story for pseudointellectuals
>do i want to save the little girls or kill them for extra skill points to spend! wow great moral choices
>shit gunplay with bullet sponge enemies

>>377984634
because you shock your biological system with genetically altering super drugs.

>>377982815
Makes the game way too easy

>>377984634
Because it's system shock but with water

>>377997893
>>377997893
SHUT UP

>>377988430
To be fair, Rapture did have laws and rules, ie don't bring a bunch of illegal contraband from the surface to Rapture, which Fontaine broke. Everything might've worked fine if everyone had followed the rules

Bioshock' moral choice system would've worked better if saving little sisters gave pathetic amounts of Adam, and you wouldn't get rewards after every three saved.

So the endgame character equipped with crazy powerful plasmids and tonics would only be possible through harvesting. It ties the narrative thread of "Adam degrades your humanity" into character progression, and making the good ending more valuable.

>>377999014
Yeah but that's not accessible for mouthbreathers, which is how BioShock was designed.

If the game was actually difficult to beat to get the good ending people would have hated it. The average mouthbreather wants to be able to carry out his black & white moral choice and have the ability to get the good ending without any effort.

>>377999261
Don't forget how many people got butthurt that Dishonored had characters reasonably react to you killing every living thing in sight with dark magic.

>>377996117
Duhh?? It's so immersive your hands reach out to grab every single piece of loot and take you out of the game for 2 seconds every 4 seconds.