>Driving games are STILL using manual shift >In 2017 What

>tfw you want more control over your car but it's the current year

Can't tell if bait or American

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>>377949964
>he can't drive manual
How big is your vagina?

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Why can't americans drive proper cars?

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>>377949964
>driving a car the way it was meant to be driven is artificial difficulty

americans, ladies and gents

but on the off chance youre serious, please kill yourself

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Is automatic shift a casualization of car controls???

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In real life its kinda fun. Being in control of more of your car and such.

It was way more popular back in the 80s and 90s because you could save a lot of gas driving a stick by watching your RPMs and shifting into neutral on straights.

But nowadays, torque converters are 10x better than they used to be, and you lose almost no power in any car made past 2010.

Just kinda still there for the lulz and the fun of it all.

Plus, I don't care what anyone says. City driving with a stick is ridiculous. If you aren't on the highway for at least half of your trip to work, you're gunna hate your life driving stick in the city.

>>377950176
We can, OP is just some fag from one of the major metropolises. They're all fags there.

=== BAIT THREAD === DO NOT RESPOND SERIOUSLY === BAIT THREAD ===

Now that that's covered, let's have a nice thread about driving games
I like Assetto Corsa and DiRT Rally, what about you?

>>377950176
>Why can't americans drive proper cars?
It's pretty much the same reason why most PC users can't use proper OS-es and instead use Windows - it's just easier.

>>377950353
ridge racer 4

>People unironically pride themselves on the fact they can drive vehicles in an outdated manner
And before you ask, i can drive stick, its not hard at all. So that devalues your "pride" even more.

>>377950507
>doubt

>>377950472
What distribution is recommended these days anyways? I haven't used linux in... five years?

Back then Fedora was a hot mess, Ubuntu was babby mode lockdown tier, and debian was "lol wait 5 years for your update" tier.

>>377949964
But I actually drive standard
And I'm in BurgerLand

Standard is just more fun to drive (but hills are a bitch)

>>377950507
The fact that automatic gearshifters have options to stick your car in 3rd or lower gear should be proof that it's not "outdated"

>>377950507

>he doesn't know the joy of blipping the throttle as you shift down

>>377950638
>Doubting that someone cant press a pedal and move a stick every couple of seconds

>>377950231
>Is automatic shift a casualization of car controls???
Only in competitive racing. In regular driving it doesn't matter, since shifting takes no actual "skill", it's so easy to learn that even literally retarded and mentally challenged people can do it, and you barely even think about it when driving as soon as you get some experience with it.

>>377950507
>>377950816
I think is funny how the only real defense these people tend to use is "yeah well you just can't do it" as if driving stick is some amazing feat of dexterity.

>>377949964
Race driving sim should probably use paddle shift to be more authentic in this day and age.
But if you really have a problem with stick shifting anon.... ahahahahahahahahah -ahahahahha - haaaaaaa.

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>>377950353
I loved Dirt rally. Too bad it sold like shit.

>>377950648
>What distribution is recommended these days anyways?
I don't know, I use Windows since I like being able to do shit on my OS instead of doing shit TO my OS in order to make anything work properly. My argument was to point out the irony that probably 99% complaining about "easy" driving probably take the casual easy way out when it comes to computers.

>Euro Truck Simulator 2
>some people actually play with manual shift despite most trucks in europe don't use it

>>377950915

A lot of skill is involved in manually shifting, when you are slowing for a corner you need to rev match as you downshift or you can lose traction. Which can be difficult to do while braking (even more so if you have no ABS)

>>377949964
Once again an american rolls his mobility scooter onto the soapbox and proudly exclaims "I AM RETARDED, I FIGURATIVELY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE WORLD"

>>377949964
i learned manual when i was a teenager but since then has moved to NA and been driving auto for 8 years now

is it easy to pick up manual again ?

>>377951192
I'd say stick vs. shift is more building vs. prebuilt. You can't really do something different per se (and OS means different software), but you can get better results out of the same resources.

>>377950507
sure thing johnny hill start

>>377949964
>And I've never even seen a car that still uses manual shift.

well, i've never seen a car with automatic gearbox. i guess europeans are still a little bit embarrassed when it comes to openly manifest homosexuality

>>377951505
Easy as shit if you use the handbrake.

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>>377951070
It didn't sell like shit, it was the first time codemaster was in the black for a couple of years. After the pc version sold well they had a huge marketing thing for Dirt rally when the console versions came out.

>>377951381
Stick shift lets me save feul or accelarate faster if the need arises.
With the current quality of most automatics the differences are small, but they are still there.
It's control vs comfort.
Also driving stick is so engraved into my brain that driving auto just feels like shit.

>>377951578
but being european IS open homosexuality

>>377951757
>Stick shift lets me save feul or accelarate faster if the need arises.
That's what I consider the equivalency of getting better parts for the same money. You get control over what's in the PC, vs. comfort of getting a ready-made box.

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>his car has a transmission

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>>377951903
>electric saturn sky

>>377951505
>what is a fucking e-brake

>>377951381
Driving automatic is safer in the streets as you have less things to focus on. In b4 lol casuals cant drive.

But driving eg. Rally, you NEED stick to drive faster

>>377951903
Some of us want to be able to drive further than 300 miles.

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>>377951871
Oh, you're being ironic. Good one

CVT BROS WHERE WE AT
I know they start having problems around 75000 miles, don't remind me
I'm hoping to buy a manual MX-5 before my Honda's CVT starts crapping out

>>377950746

yeah you don't drive standard well if you think hills are a problem, fucking fat retard

I don't mind manual shifting on open roads but when I'm stuck in light to heavy traffic I prefer automatic since I don't have to constantly shift.

>>377951986

What an awful post, how often do you think you need to change gear?

>>377950343
literally this, manual fags are basically hipsters now

ill stick to my LOGICAL way of driving, thanks

>>377951986
Shifting isn't something you focus on.

>>377951505
most of european license tests require you to hill start, it's something you have to do on training field before they'll even let you take the exam out on the city streets.

now when i think about it, this requirement means that average euro woman with license is more capable driver than average american male. amusing.

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>>377949964
>artificial difficulty
Pathetic.
>>377950091
He's just a trash person, American or not, since real drivers know how to drive stick, American or not.
>>377950119
European women drive stick.
>>377950231
Casualization, yes, but mostly a convenience in heavy traffic.

Though G25 had the best stick since it had two modes, H shifter mode and sequential mode.
Sequential was awesome for rally and drag race moments since that's what you use when having a dogbox.

>>377951986
You change gear subconsciously

>>377951871
enjoy wagecucking yourself to an early grave

The thing I hate about automatic is my left leg gets bored having nothing to do.

>op can't even drive manual in a dumbed-down simulation of the mechanics, as every "sim" provides
>can't even do this: https://qt.vidyagam.es/MfELO78.mp4

What a fag.

>>377952482
Instantly reminded me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5UqgizM268

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>this thread

>>377952482
kys weeb

>>377949964
>I've never even seen a car that still uses manual shift.
I live in america and 3 of our cars are manual.


Pleb.

>>377950343
I'll believe what you say about automatic transmissions when they finally stop hesitating when you floor it, and stop being 1000x more complex and expensive to repair with less longetivity than a manual.

>>377950343
>shifting into neutral on straights.
Don't do this on modern cars. With electronic injectors, the amount of fuel entering the motor with a gear can actually be less than the amount needed in neutral, specially downhill. Moreover you are unnecessarily wearing the brakes.

>>377952625
>3 of our cars are manual.
In the entire country?

>>377952441

>learn to drive 2 years ago at 22
>nothing but stick
>get my license in a city where its 90% hills so I had to practice a lot
>don't own a car
>every single car I've driven since I got my license has been manual
>for the first months it was awkward as fuck just having my left leg sitting there doing nothing

Driving stick sucks dick in the city, no idea why I spent so much time practicing, now the last thing I wanna do is go near those things because of how incovinient they are unless im driving on a highway for 2 hours.

>>377951642
>>377951975
What? People really need to use the handbrake to hill start?

All these faggots not noticing the bait. Retards.

>>377949964
I live in Canada and every car I eyed at the dealership would have cost more with a manual transmission.

My first car was stick but I can't say I want to go back.

>>377952335
It's still something you have to do to keep the car moving.

>>377951304
No, driving manual takes absolutely no skill. I bet you tell women you drive stick to sound cool

>>377952965

99% of people in my country drive manual, it has no special status

>>377952606
Eurobeat is from Italy.

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>>377949964
I actually just recently bought a manual (pic related). Why? Well I'm still young, and driving a manual is actually quite fun once you get the hang of it. It's one of those things I think that everyone should try in their life.

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Post your shifters ITT

>>377949964
I've never been triggered by a /v/ post in a while

>>377952705
Expensive sport autos don't hesitate when you floor it and they're great fun

>>377949964
manual shift is extremely common in europe, mostly because cars are so enormously over priced because of taxes, tariffs and climate fees that people do whatever they can to cut costs. automatic gear is slightly more expensive than manual gear.

>>377952585
Can't watch in my country for some reason.
But thumbnail was enough to make me remember that one.
Since you posted that it's obvious you've also seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNdC9hlW65c

>>377951903
Enjoy being boiled alive if you get caught in knee-deep water
Enjoy replacing your $6k+ battery when the cells die and won't charge
Enjoy finding a mechanic outside of the dealer that is willing to risk being electrocuted to work on your car.

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>>377953089

>>377953063
>falling for the miata meme

>>377953158
>slightly more expensive
it's not just about initial cost. Autos are less reliable and way more expensive to repair. You can replace entire gearbox in old used shitbox for 100 euros in package with replace service, meanwhile auto gearbox would often cost more than entire engine.

>>377949964
I would only buy a peripheral like that if it could also be used as a throttle or flight-stick, and came with pedals that could be tied to rudder controls.

>>377953225
meme or not, its still really fun to drive

>Getting a driving license in America does not requiere to learn how to manual
This is a thing I will never understand. It's like graduating from school using solely calculators and not knowing how to add up or multiply.

>>377950648

>Back then Fedora was a hot mess, Ubuntu was babby mode lockdown tier, and debian was "lol wait 5 years for your update" tier.

Nothing's changed since. Those three + Arch still reign supreme.
If you want something new, have a look at Void Linux and NixOS. Alpine is pretty good too. OpenBSD is gaining some traction too.

>>377952727
you mean with automatic, right? or even in manual cars do electric injectors not account for the current RPM and just dump in whatever gas would be needed at a full stop?

>>377952228
ive never driven a 2010+ car, but with older cars its frustrating having it up or down shift when you're about to accelerate or decelerate and then you have to wait for it to shift again to properly accommodate the way you're driving. i know my intentions, so its easier to select the gear i need at any given time

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>>377953089
>Stock G27 hifter.jpg
That's me.
I haven't had time to play racing games in almost a year, busy with repairs on my DD manual estate.
Stock tranny didn't really like 250% more torque than it's original specs.

>>377953116
So the majority of wagecucks here are never going to get a compareable ride out of an automatic in their price range, while any cheap manual car will shift as fast as the driver can.

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>>377953225
I've driven my friend's miata and it's a fun little car.

>>377953089
shifter, gas, brake and hand brake all in one

>>377953440
Alright, thanks.

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>>377953551
>he actually owns the steam controller

>>377950648
peppermint

>>377950919
to people who are used to driving stick, it often feels better since you're more in control of the car. it's logical to think that someone that doesnt share that opinion either hasnt driven stick shift, or hasnt driven it enough to get comfortable with it

>>377953665
it fits snugly on my big man hands

>>377953665
It's gud controller if you like being able to tweak everything.

>>377952228
UK here and nearly every car is manual, automatics are for old people.

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>>377949964
>something something STILL using old feature
What gives? Who actually enjoys living? It's just artificial difficulty. And I've never even seen a sentient being that still live.

Anyway, what about that outdated internal combustion engine?

>>377951070
Too bad it had nowhere near enough tracks and countries and had shitty rallycross and pikes peak.

>>377953925
Is there any euro country where automatic isn't for old people?

>>377950054
topkek

>>377954094
I think Norway maybe, I know they're big ameriboos for some reason.

>>377954034
>shitty rallycross
DR RX was great, only big downside is lack of shitboxes (only one slow class with 60's minis). Other than that, it's super fun.

>>377949964
>OP can't drive stick shift
I fucking hate being a car enthusiast in America when it comes to car choices because idiots want to multitask doing the dumbest of shit while driving in traffic.

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>>377949964
this is you

>>377954094
belgium? they have a shit ton of traffic and money.

>>377954246
It's boring mate, they just shoved it in because people refuse to play games without multiplayer. They should have put more time into rallying.

Dirt 4 looks shit btw, they've gone back to the DUDE TOTALLY RADICAL COWBUNGA MAN shit by the looks of it.

>>377953448
Say you're going downhill, with a gear that allows you to maintain the RPM without touching the throttle. The ECU orders the injectors to not put any fuel in the engine, so it runs with only air (you can see that if the car indicates the instantaneous consumption). But if you change to neutral, the ECU orders the injectors to put as many fuel as needed to keep the engine running, as if you were in a full stop.

This works both in manual and automatic cars, the only difference is that, in manual, you can choose what gear is the more appropriate for the current circumstances and also allows you to brake using solely the engine, a thing most automatic cars can't do efficiently (they'll shift to a lower gear as soon as possible).

>>377953116
Doesn't even have to be sporty, since a lot of cars comes with those features already stock, and some are just locked in the ECU that can be unlocked with some editing.

Autos from 2010 and up are totally different than the slushboxes from the 90s.

I had someone believe this was an automatic.
https://u.nya.is/lpofnh.webm

>>377950353
rFactor, ETS2, and Burnout 3. what else you recommend based on those?

People that drive manual are very backward. They're the ones who support the EU. They're the ones who voted Macron. They're the ones who want to #LetThemIn. They're the ones who think Toddposting is funny. They're the ones who play Overwatch. They're the ones who think /a/ is a containment board and not the core of the site.

>>377954315
Neither are related to automatic cars mate.

I will say stop start traffic an auto is going to be easier but a manual is more fun.

>mfw have a 1.2 VW Polo with a 3 cylinder engine, my first car
>mfw no torque whatsoever, will stall so easily

It's a fucking cunt in stop start traffic. You have to give it loads of revs otherwise it stalls.

Car culture is pure cancer.

>>377954589
I drive a '99 yaris and I think I stalled it during the 1st week when i switched from the school diesel to a gasoline powered yaris.
How weak is your fucking polo

>>377950213
Modern F1 cars have paddle shifting. Are you going to argue now that F1 isn't the peak of racing?

>>377954448
What car? Sounds pretty nice

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>>377954271
>I fucking hate being a car enthusiast in America when it comes to car choices
Try living in Norway, the land of taxes

>>377954536
Manual driver here.

I hate Macron, I know what #LetTheMin is and probably against it aswell, Toddposting is cancer, but that's nothing new considering Bethesda is cancer, Overwatch is a FPS MOBA and MOBA is trash, unless we talk about WC3 DoTA, which was fun back in 2003...
/a/ is indeed the core of all of 4chan and people complaining about anime posters and loli have no right to complain here, also reddit posters aren't inherently bad since it's a good site for getting news, but the karma behavior is what is the actual bad part about it.

>>377954781
you have health care and jobs, america is suffering

>>377954589
i was driving 1.2 8v 60hp clio 2 and it was possible to start without throttle at all if you're gentle enough. I bet you've just jumped from something more powerful into this, generally speaking weak cars are not that hard to run when you start your driving experience in weak cars and get used to pressing gas a lot.

>>377953986
We should all be driving jet engine cars

>>377953063
>reddit tabs
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GET THE FUCK OUT

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>>377954773
9-5 Estate, though I got rid of those nasty rims that is on the pic.

Same car, doing a 50-120KM/h test using winter tires.
https://u.nya.is/hddzke.webm

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>>377950487

>>377954524
Assetto Corsa but only if you have a wheel and pedals

>>377954738
>when i switched from the school diesel to a gasoline powered yaris

Oh mate the first few weeks were awful, my instructor had a brand new diesel citroen that was impossible to stall, going to an old polo was quite a shock.

I don't stall now but it's just annoying how little torque there is at low end. Stop start traffic up hills is awful in it.

Apparently my car has 54bhp.
>>377954887
I've been driving it for 5 months now and don't stall it but the first month was shit. Car I learnt in was a 1.2 Citroen DS3 diesel.

Maybe the clutch is fucked but you can't pull away without throttle unless you're going downhill.

Sup /o/
Who /miata/ here?

>>377955196
G29 with the usb shifter in OP. I'll give it a go

>>377952058
I hate to break it to you, but, without hypermiling most compacts and subcompacts barely get 300 miles themselves. Less if you're driving something from as late as the early / mid 2000's

>>377955370
Does the G29 have good force feedback? That's where I think Assetto Corsa shines over Project Cars

>>377950472
there has to be a proper OS first before you can use it

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how bad of a idea it would be to buy the shifter if i dont have the g29?

i own a driving force gt wich only has two pedals

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>>377950746
>(but hills are a bitch)

>>377955641
Hey what up driving force bro
I've been looking for a way to add a shifter and clutch onto the thing as well, the simple shifter it comes with isn't doing it for me any more

>>377955431
g29 is g27, g27 is inferior to belt-driven ones like t300. It's still a good FFB system that, as any other FFB, works really well after configuring it properly.

AC FFB is indeed amazing.

>>377953170
>Enjoy being boiled alive if you get caught in knee-deep water
I don't think it works like that

>>377952965
>manual drive is something you can brag about in murica
Cute, i don't know anyone with a license that learned on automatic. But i assume you burgers need that extra hand for your disgusting food.

>>377955295
Was looking for one, ended up with an MR2 mk3 instead
No regrets

>>377955431
I use the G29 for sliding around in AC/Dirt, and the FFB is pretty gud and feels mostly realistic. Wheel tries to return itself to center when it should be, getting bumped while driving does cause sudden "shocks" that can be pretty disruptive, shit I even hurt my thumb a few days ago that way.

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>buy a fanatec CSR with pedals on the cheap
>works well for a bit
>suddenly pedal pots start acting up
>known solution from basherboards no longer sold
What can I do to fix this without spending hundreds of dollars on a new set of pedals?

>>377951304
>A lot of skill is involved in manually shifting, when you are slowing for a corner you need to rev match as you downshift or you can lose traction.
No, there really isn't much skill to driving a manual, unless you're in a competitive race. I'm not even exaggerating when I say literally borderline retarded people drive manual easily.
I live in a euro country where 99.9% of cars are manual, and I have a family member who's a professional driving instructor for most of his adult life. He has hundreds of stories of kids who not only couldn't finish high school, but actually failed extremely simple IQ tests multiple times (in my country you have to pass an IQ test and psych evaluation test before you're even allowed to go to a driving school) before finally getting a score that's above "severely retarded" IQ levels that allows them to start driving, and even they learned to drive manual easily in no time.

>>377953116
>>377953489
>"expensive"

Nah, as long as it isn't a CVT, automatics these days are on par or even outperform manuals in any metric.

Stop you're triggering some of the /o/tists

>>377950343
It is literally just a matter of being more fun.

It has nothing to do with anything else.

I want to kill myself every morning when I'm in stop and go traffic but when I'm not commuting driving is enjoyable instead of a chore.

>>377949964
>And I've never even seen a car that still uses manual shift.
That's beacuase you live in a country full of retarded faggots who don't know how to properly interact with machines and neither know how to properly fuck their women.

>>377952743
In my driveway.

>ITT: Eurofags butthurt they can't afford the luxury of automatic shifters

>>377951304
>>377951304
>when you are slowing for a corner you need to rev match as you downshift or you can lose traction
No you don't, unless you're in a race or something.

>>377956616
It's a classic case of the fox and the grapes.

>>377956305
Oh right. Auto wise I've only driven a Ford Fiesta that was shit and an Audi S5 s-tronic that was brilliant so figured it was only good on more expensive cars.

>>377950343
>tfw where i live every fucking car is manual and trying to buy a used car with automatic is much harder than it should be

I fucking hate driving stick

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>auto cars that aren't from the 40's-60's
CRUISIN FOR A BRUISIN

>>377956635
>when you're slowing down for a corner
i guess that kinda implies race usage, although it's stupid to even question manual superiority in races because of how important precise control over engine braking is in race, at least in fwds

>>377956616
>luxury
>dumbed down machines for dumb people

pick one

>tfw it took one traffic accident on highway and 4 hours of jams for me to learn how to drive stick
literally got all the practice I need
my knee hurt when I got home

>>377955295
>sold the miata and bought a 350Z
now no one likes my car!

>>377957104
I like it.

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>>377950231
are speed limits and street signs cazualisation of car culture?

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>not having a car that's both an automatic and a manual with flappy paddles

All of you are missing out

>>377957104
Just add 20 to it and everyone will like it

>>377956962
it is a luxury paying more so you don't have to do something.
You can hire an accountant to do your taxes for you or you can do it yourself like a schmuck and save money.

>>377957235
Doesn't count unless it's a DCT.

>>377957204
>safety regulations are comparable to a different way to make a car change geats

>>377957235
I own a CVT with the paddles, does that count?

>>377957204
quite the opposite, now difficulty is higher since you also risk losing your driver's license. It's just that people casualized themselves and don't go fast anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmfU6kqLs5A
>tfw you will never do stupid shit on the streets like on this video just because entire car culture revolves around psychopats dying in group b races
sad

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>>377957453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32CnQt0-BpA

Never drove manual, do you have to drop through the gears one by one if you are coming to a stop. Or straight down?

>not using manual transmission
>he wants the ai to shift at 7000 rps when you could shift at much higher revs
>he cant drive and know when to shift

sucks for you faggot

>>377957850
Straight down in normal cars. I think there are some special systems where you can't do it, but don't remember where they're used (trucks?).

>>377957850
you can just put in neutral and not have to fiddle with the gears if that bothers you.

>>377957850
you can set whichever gear you please, you can even drop from 6 to 1 instantly and kill your engine, and with some resolve you can switch from high gear to reverse (it's blocked mechanically, but can be done when you're stubborn enough).

>>377957885
Or you could just put it in tiptronic mode and hit the rev limit as much as you'd like.

>>377957850
If you live in a 3rd world country you might be legally allowed to put everyone in danger by driving a manual, a car you can't handle, with the license you took by driving an autotragic.

>>377957850
They teach you to shift down as you slow down and use engine braking but I'm lazy and just go into neutral

>>377958198
goodbye brake pads

>>377957812
>this fucking golf
that's exactly one like my dad had when i was a kid, except his was red and has bbs body package. those rear lights are beautiful, i still regret that i was too young to claim the car when my mother sold this beautiful machine long time after my dad died.

I hope i'll be able to get one for restoration soon, but frankly i don't really believe in it. Good ones are pricey classics, bad ones are basically chunks of rust on wheels.

>>377958359
Here they are all rusted down.
They salt the road so much that the wild life and vegetation around the roads are dead.

>>377958306
Okay I lied I usually engine brake down to like 10mph then go neutral so it's not too bad.

>>377957292
terrible analogy... the accountant will handle your taxes better and more efficiently than you do, you have better control over the car with manual transmission.

>>377958776
>I usually engine brake down to like 10mph
If you reduce any further the engine would probably stall unless it's in first gear so whatever

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Does your city/town have any good driving roads?

Theres a mountain pass near mine that I love driving up and down from, sometimes I just go after work since it's near my house.

Initial D memes aside it's really fucking fun to drive up and down fast.

>>377950231
its a flipped ideology
Automatic was considered prestige until the end of the hippie movement in the late 60s into 70s. Guess who was learning to drive en mass then?

>>377958198
When I was learning they specifically told me to only do that when I was having brake problems.

The reasoning was that it causes you to slow down without lighting up your brake lights, thus potentially being dangerous to the person behind you.
Made no sense to me either. Traffic slows down without actively braking all the time.

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>>377960108

>>377960108
I live in Albuquerque and the Sandia Mountains are right next to the city. There's a road that goes up the back of them to the summit and it's fun as fuck to drive

>>377960421
Engine breaking = pressing the brakes without pressing the clutch. In other words helping the care brake with the engine

I think people take engine breaking too literally

>>377960449
One day I'll get a RWD car, and then die because I'm fucking retarded

>>377960665
No, engine braking doesn't have to involve the actual brakes at all.

>>377960421
As long as you shift down gently whoever is behind you has ample time to react, so that's bullshit.

>>377960917
>engine braking doesn't have to involve the actual brakes at all.
No one in my life as ever taught me engine braking without using the brakes, that's why every driving school always teaches you this here.

It's supposed to help your care brake, not actually brake by itself

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>>377960108
There's a road that goes around the nearby archipelago. There's a shorter route which contains mostly bridges and longer one where you have to ride a few ferries. It's pretty dope to go around with your car or bicycle in the summer.

>>377961097
There's nothing to be taught, you just lay off the gas a little and shift down to make your car go slower. It's not used for rapid breaking obviously, you just use it when you know you need to go slower in a bit, or downhill to keep your speed instead of accelerating because of the slope. I'm pretty sure anyone who drives a manual does it automatically without noticing.

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>>377949964
>driving a manual in any city with an abundance of hills or traffic

Why even bother? Man being in first gear 95% of the time sure is fun!

>>377961387
>you just lay off the gas a little and shift down to make your car go slower.
I did that once and my instructor immediatelly corrected me. The gear you're on depends on the speed and rpm. You don't shift 3rd gear when you're going at 15KM/h. The same way you won't reduce to 2nd if you're going at 50KM/h just because you want to brake.You first use your brakes with the help of the engine and then reduce gears when appropriate.

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>will never be able to speed in residential areas in a nice dodge 69 charger colored purple

why even live?

>>377961686
No, you just lift off the gas, that's the only thing you have to do.

Engine braking=friction and compression of the engine when it's above idle rpm because above idle rpm it doesn't give a single drop of fuel into the engine, thus the engine and transmission acts as weak braking, AKA engine braking.

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W-WHO /CIVIC/ HERE?

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So are you suppose to hold the clutch down and shift the stick into neutral when slowing down for a turn then shifting to second gear after? Slow down just before the turn and shift into second?

>>377949964
>Americans

If you have an auto only license here in Bongland people will literally laugh at you.

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>mfw people tell me they aren't required to take psych tests or learn First Aid to get a driving license in their country
>"What do I need to know First Aid for if I don't have a kit?"
>there are first world countries you can drive around in without a First Aid kit in your car
>mfw

Anyone here live somewhere like that?

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>>377962065
>needing all the restrictions just to use a fucking automovile

Its shitty things like that which makes you 3rd world.

>>377961686
Well that's why you lay off the gas first, if you shift down and your RPMs go crazy then you were obviously still too fast. Also depends on the situation, e.g. it's a good technique for when you see a speed limit coming up in the distance and everyone behind you has to go slower anyway, but might be a bad idea if you want to make a turn but the people behind you don't, so it's better to not annoy them by making the process take longer than it needs to.

>>377953225
But the miata is the best it's number one

>>377962036
you slow down with just braking, when the desired speed is reached, you clutch and shift gear before you accelerate again.

>>377962201
Would you let a retard drive?
Would you just call the ambulance and watch someone die after an acident because you have no way to help them?

>>377962629
If the accident is so bad its life threatening a first aid kid will hardly help them.

Why dont we all go to medical school before we can drive?

So I always drove automatic in everything till I got dirt rally , but I'm still not sure I have the hang of it.
Any tips on working the clutch for shifts/turns/drifts ?

>>377962593
thanks

>>377962036
What you do is brake, clutch, shift into neutral, release clutch, depress accelerator while still in neutral, depress clutch again and shift into desired gear.

>>377962036
If you're just driving around town you'd ride the clutch and brake until you get to the desired speed, then downshift into the appropriate gear.
You don't even really think about it after more than aweek or two of driving.
Also grinding gears or stalling out are traumatic as fuck, so you learn quickly not to do it.

>>377962629
As for the retard driving thing how retarded?

If retarded like chirs chan im fine with that because at least he isnt unable to understand how to drive

However some one retarded like a kid with mega autism and has to be watched constantly they dont let drive anyways.

>>377949964
>playing Forza Motorsport online
>manual shift is an advantage
>"artificial difficulty"
It's almost like it gives you more control over the car or something

people who get assblasted about automatic controls are just contrarian fags who think they're cool for doing something differently

my transmission computer fried in my old honda and I couldn't afford replacement parts at the time so I drove manual for 4 months
there were literally no benefits, it was pointless busy work

I bet you fags get mad about map waypoints in open-world games too

>>377962913
Seizures and drownings are also extremely life threatening situations as well, but nobody goes "They are in mortal danger, rescuing them won't help any" when they see someone suffering like that.

>>377963507
Changing gears yourself in an auto is nothing like driving a manual

>>377963556
Well, yeah, but in this case, a life-threatening car crash, first-responders are going to have much better equipment and medical supplies than you're going to be carrying in a shitty half-assed first aid kit buried under some stuff in the back of your car.

The first aid kit is pretty pointless when in mortal danger. Leg get sandwiched between the steering column and a bit of metal that's shot through into the cabin somehow? Just put some gauze and disinfectant on it, it's cool, m8.

All that first aid kit is good for is some light cuts/bruising.

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>>377950343
>he likes having to wait for the car to downshift when he goes up a hill

pleb

>>377963556
However in those situations you also hardly need a first aid kit, you need real medical attention.

Seriously medical tranning like cpr and what not? Fine but I still say first aid kits are not necessary while driving.

>>377956635
Enjoy lugging your engine.

What fucks me up about manual shifting is dealing with the clutch pedal (mostly because I have a bad habit of leaving both feet on the gas and brake), are there manual transmission systems without a clutch?

>>377960330
>its a flipped ideology
>Automatic was considered prestige until the end of the hippie movement in the late 60s into 70s. Guess who was learning to drive en mass then?

This is really interesting and I want to know more. I'm interested in seeing how cultural fashions developed and why this occurred. I'm an Aussfag and we're kind of split between automatic and manual. Manual has prestige if you're into cars but most people drive autos because why bother using a stick if you're just going to mostly just drive in peak hour traffic.

I hate how you can't discuss this stuff with normal people because they hate introspecting into why society holds the values it does regardless of their consequences.

>>377949964
You need to be 18 years old older to drive

>>377964439
There's semi-automatic transmission, sure. F1 cars have that.

>>377964439
DCT

>>377964439
There are ones with paddles but they are in really expensive cars.

Also
>leaving both feet on the gas and brake
Yeah don't do this. It's indeed a very bad habit.

>>377964000
Except that you can just preemptively control this in any half-decent auto if you want.

>>377963947
>Leg get sandwiched
Yes, you are both out of luck in that situation.
Trying to help them would be like attempting to treat a corpse with a gunshot wound on their head.
That is not to say that First Aid is useless for all situation, even if it's something more severe than a cut or bruise, like broken bones and loss of limb.
>>377964027
The main idea behind First Aid is ensuring someone doesn't bleed out unconscious while they wait for an ambulance.
I think it does its job well when it comes to that.

>>377952058
I don't drive electric but I usually only get between 260-325 miles on a full tank in my car, and my friends who are poorer have it even worse with their cheaper cars. So I don't understand this meme about 300 miles being the limit for only electric cars

>>377956616
Actually most of the automatic cars in my country (EU) are more expensive because of them being hybrid, not because of the gear shifting mechanism

Also,dont buy electric cars guys, unless you buy a super expensive one. Their heating system is nonexistant since they dont have ICE, and therefore heating the cabin in winter is practically draining all the battery power so autonomy drops from whatever it was to around 30-40%

>>377964857
>Yeah don't do this. It's indeed a very bad habit.

As long as you don't do this what would actually be bad about using a different foot for break and accelerator?

>>377965875
The point is that if you drive that many miles, you have to wait for hours and hours to go further, while with a gas vehicle, you dump in the fluids and off you go.

>>377966070
If I ever make enough money, I'm buying a memesla.

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>>377953170
Can you get electrocuted if you drive an electric car in the rain?

>>377952281
drive stick feels good
but really good

>>377967001
Obviously not, he's talking out of his arse.

>>377966149
Even if you still brake with your right foot it will slow down your ability to react as you have to move both feet.
Also you will probably press the brake ever so slightly even if you don't notice. This will eat your brake pads faster and give you worse mileage.

>>377962065
In my country you don't even need to know how to drive, anyone over 18 can just pay for his license and get it in like 30 min, without any kind of test or exam.

>>377962065
yeah the united states, get rekt

>>377964439
>I have a bad habit of leaving both feet on the gas and brake
Why the fuck would ever you do that?

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>>377949964
>americans

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>2017
>shooting games are STILL not using auto aim
>in 2017
What gives? Who actually enoys this outdated aiming scheme? Its just artificial difficulty. And Ive never even seen a gamer that still uses manual shift.

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>Tfw you failed your drivers test last week

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My current car is manual but I'm definitely getting automatic next time.
I'll also grab those fancy parking sensors that go beep beep.

>>377967683
Because of those damn video games.

>>377967532
Do you live in Asia?

What's the best way to learn stick without buying another car?

>>377969730
ask someone with a stick car and learn it on an empty parking lot.

>>377969881
I mean without potentially ruining someone else's car either
Maybe I should just get a racing wheel with a clutch and buy one of those driving school sims

>>377970324
buy a cheap one for a few hundred dollars.

>>377951678
This:

Now they are making a fourth DIRT game. Dirt rally was fucking amazing

>>377970324
honestly some dry tests on a parking lot shouldnt ruin anything.

>>377970324
Those driving school sims look like those garbage German "simulators" with wonky driving physics. The only real good driving sim game that lets you pilot "normal" non-supercar vehicles is Euro and American Truck Simulator.

>>377949964
people who like driving simulators you rich button pressing shifter faggot

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>>377949964

>>377971061
I already own ETS so maybe it is time to get a wheel for it.
>>377970985
I don't know a single person who has a manual, and if I did they're usually nice cars in the US so I don't want to risk it

>>377972380
dunno maybe you can find a driving school teacher for one or two lessons in a manual car?
shouldnt be mega expensive.

>>377949964
4 wheel slowing vs braking only. Makes a difference in the snow.

>>377969558
Mexico

>>377962059
To be fair, auto-only licenses are for people who actually cannot drive and aren't viewed the same as owning an automatic (although I'm not arguing that's not looked down upon, too).

Manuals are better than automatics though

>>377950176
American here.
I daily a 5-speed

>>377974432
its a sign of a retard. Its alright to prefer automatic but if you already bother with getting a license you might as well get the real deal just in case.

had to use other peoples cars plenty of times and they were all manual. wouldve fucking sucked if I had to say "well I cant drive this one m8".

>>377975118
Yeah, that's what I mean. Auto-only licenses, as far as I know, are what you get if you're incapable of driving manuals for whatever reason, like if you've got a weak left side.

>>377976078
>Auto-only licenses
What's the point anyways, the hardest part of driving is understanding everything else, not the controls.

>>377975118
Can retards get a license?

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>>377953665
it's p good

>>377975079
>Report: Only 18 Percent Of Americans Can Drive Manual
same

>>377957672
literally made me tear up

>>377977017
depends on how retarded.

>>377977249
Pls tell me this is a shoop

>>377977017
>>377977474
they removed parallel parking in my state so any kind of retarded

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>>377977660
wait how can you remove parallel parking

>>377977660
Holy shit. Is not just videogames that are being casualised is it?

>>377977821
Demolition Man was a prophecy

>>377949964
>And I've never even seen a car that still uses manual shift.
underage

>Be me
>Buy new manual VW Golf TDI in 2012
>Drive car and enjoy manual shifting for the next year
>Home city gets populated too fast cause good economy
>Too much traffic
>I hate manual now
>2015 comes and VW has to buy my car back for almost what I paid for it
>Buy new car
>Love to drive again

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>>377950343
>live in the city
>have no issues with driving stick

The entire traffic excuse had to be made by some autofag.

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>>377962036
you brake, pop the clutch, blip to match the rpm and put it in the lower gear.

Drops the weight forward on the car giving more traction up front, less in the rear and allows the car to flow around the corner.

daily driving, this shits pointless

>>377949964
>Obvious bait
>270+ replies

/v/, everyone

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>"LOL hurr durr you don't drive manual, you don't put extra wear on your transmission and get worse gas mileage"
There's nothing worse than a faggot who convinces themselves that driving manual somehow makes you cool, or "gives you more control". It's even worse when they have themselves absolutely fucking convinced that you get better gas mileage with a manual, even though 99% of manual drivers aren't good enough at shifting to increase fuel economy. Automatic cars have been more efficient and safe for years now.

Also, have fun drinking your coffee and smoking a bogey in your manual fagwagon.

>>377949964
this is the cursive writing of driving

>mfw people think that manually shifting gears is superior to a computer which has access to the cars current status and information on its moving parts
>mfw people think they are properly shifting when they are actually slowly destroying their vehicle

So why aren't you guys manually using your pc instead of letting the cpu run it for you?

What racing games are alive multiplayer wise?

I want to join like, a serious league or some shit.

>>377949964

I like manual drivetrains in real life a lot better than automatic. My little 2001 Mitsubishi has more push to it than my friends Mustang simply because mashing the pedal to the floor still isn't as good as ramping up with the stick.

In video games it's fucking annoying because you can't feel the engine. I agree 100% in that automatic should just be the standard for video games until they make vibration tech that adjusts itself to the vibration of the engine.

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>want to play driving games with a wheel
>the wheel is absurdly expensive even if it is years old

>>377980261
I bet you must the fast food chains cook your food because cooking is too "manual".

A bit of passion and knowledge has never hurt you know?

>>377980261
>>mfw people think that manually shifting gears is superior to a computer which has access to the cars current status and information on its moving parts
You probably think this is a really witty retort, but it's not. The person driving the car is going to know more about the car and its current status than any computer is going to know what to do. The computer has a huge list of lookup tables that it pulls from, and just assumes every situation it's going to be in will fall in those lookup tables.

The driver, competent and skilled enough, will always know better than the car about what is about to happen and how to plan for it. Cars can only react in the now because they have no eyes or ears.

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Post your favorite car before someone else claims it

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>>377982306
I don't know why Corvettes get so much hate in /o/.

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>>377982306

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>>377949964
>doesn't know how to drive manual
What are you?
a woman?

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>>377979997
>being this mad

I love my manual because it lets me look down on ass blasted fags like you everyday.

>>377960665
You're fucking retarded.

itt: everyone thinks they are in the 1% of people who can manually drive well enough to actually get better mileage

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>>377985795
>caring about milage
You should take the bus if you care about transportation costs, get a fucking twingo.

>tfw just bought a 2016 model car with a stick

>>377985901
nobody except manual fags care about mileage thats why they bring it up everytime they try to defend themselves

>>377987126
I've genuinely never heard of this

>>377953063
gtfo reddit faggot

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who /proton/ here

>>377953063
>falling for the miata meme
>falling for the lenovo meme
>falling for the cat meme
>falling for the phone posting meme