>We have access to perfectly functional robots that are designed

Todd

It makes more sense when you realise they're essentially Mole people and Mad scientists.

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>>377916190
The better question is, why is everyone but BoS so retarded in 4?
Institute are morons
Railroad are literally braindead
Minutemen are "Hey, there's another settlement" and useless
Brotherhood are pretty cool for the most part

>>377916190
Don't forget how they insist they have no interest in what the surface does or how it governs itself, but they replaced the Diamond City mayor with a synth and assassinated all the attendees at a meeting to establish a provisional government for the commonwealth.

>>377916768
Minutemen are the most disappointing faction
They should have atleast gotten a few unique missions

>>377916974
They should also actually be somewhat useful outside of giving some areas of artillery support for those moments you actually use them. They keep talking about how they're bringing it back, they're for defending and fighting for the bettering of the Commonwealth, and how they're joining you but it's always only you doing everything.

Though you could likely attribute that to Gamebryo being so shit they can't really have anything good in it.

>>377917096
They should've had something where factions provide defense for your settlements.

>>377916190
ivory basement psuedo-intellectuals

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Literally just a more badly-written version of the Big MT guys

>>377916190
>Bethesda writing
>expecting anything above dysfunctional garbage

Worst part is, they're so aware how horrible they are they'll never allow Obsidian to make another west-coast Fallout again.

>>377916817
>assassinated all the attendees at a meeting to establish a provisional government for the commonwealth
They didn't actually. There's a holotape in the Institute reporting that they had an agent present but all the attendees killed each other due to infighting.

>>377916190
Fo4's focus on gameplay caused the writing to suffer

>>377917546
It's been a long time since I played that garbage but I swear there was something else in the Institute base that outed that as a lie.

The only way I had fun in fallout 4 was pretending to be a mad scientist and building an army of overpowered automatrons.

>>377916190
Anyone else kind of annoyed that he doesn't really look old enough to have a full head of gray hair like that? His skin seems too soft or something.

fucking Khadgar

>>377917990
that was already a problem in 3, there were two kinds of faces, the young-looking ones and the old fart faces, there was no in-between
if they wanted to make someone in their forties or fifties they just slapped grey/white hair on a young face and called it a day

>>377916190
Now this begs the question, if you make a robot that is capable of self awareness, and looks and acts like a human, is it human?

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>>377916190
>I am the reclusive leader in control of New Vegas
>I have spent about 10 years rebuilding and civilizing the city from the safety of my underground bunker inside the Lucky 38.
>No one is allowed to even enter my casino, not even my right hand man, who I have basically raised and have known for years, since there's a possibility he could betray me and my real body is hidden inside the casino.
>Wow, the mailman I had bringing me the final piece I needed to awaken my robot armies sure is lucky to have survived a bullet to the head (with my robot's help), and he has successfully delivered my mail.
>I am going to make this hardened, unknown and possibly brain damaged courier my right hand man and welcome him into my casino.
>Surely nothing bad could ever come of that.

Has anyone made Todd as a character in FO4?

>>377920087
It's not human, but one could argue it is alive.

>>377920293
Or rather, that it is a person.

>>377918034
I need 3000 super mutants, any less would be inadequate, and any more would be absurd of course.

>>377920187
There is no height slider

>>377920178
>>I am going to make this hardened, unknown and possibly brain damaged courier my right hand man and welcome him into my casino.
well, he could try to kill you, but you did survive a bullet to the head
and then killed/did a lot of other stuff on the way there.
and the securitrons really aren't that tough til he upgrades them
and to do that he needs the chip inside the lucky 38
and benny has the chip. and it would look bad if house spent in like 40 of them to genocide everyone at the tops to get the chip
so the mail man has to get the chip from a tricky situation
and he does, one way or another, and then the chip needs to go to bunker hill
and since the legion now controls that, no way a robot can make it
so the mail man is going to have to do that too because at least he's motives are unknown unlike everyone else so maybe he wants to help and be friends and could even be on good terms with the legion so he could stroll right in and upgrade his army

house's actions made sense. only thing I have a problem with is the brotherhood. if the brotherhood could be talked into being cool with the NCR, couldn't you do the same for house? why wouldn't house want the only group in the waste land with any tech know how to be on his side? he's going to need engineers for his new world, so he blows up/kills off all the people perfectly suited for it? sure the brother are nuts, but not that nuts. hell, the followers straight up tried to hack his systems. the brotherhood would be grateful for any hammie down tech given to them

>>377917517
>delusional Obsidiot thinking anyone at Bethesda gives a fuck about New Vegas outside of the money it made them

>>377920956
None of that matters since it would be impossible for the courier to enter the building if House didn't let him in. All the courier had to do was deliver the mail, and that was enough to convince House to let him into his inner sanctum.

Continuing to work with the courier is not strange. The courier is a valuable asset. Letting the courier he only met days/weeks ago into his private fortress however, made no sense whatsoever. He could have had a robot collect the mail and used them as intermediaries to continue hiring the courier.

>>377920087
They're not really robots either, they're made of [artificial] flesh, bone, and organs. They're nearly indiscernible from natural humans

>>377920956
>well, he could try to kill you, but you did survive a bullet to the head
Because he saved your life.

>>377921148
i cant wait until the new vegas memeposting dies.

>>377916190
They could have gotten away with it if they wrote them to be campy but nah, they're serious people doing serious things which just tends to be retarded.

The head writer for this shit needs to kill himself and his offsprings.

>Our totally never human organic robot slaves keep developing free will and rebelling against us and escape
>The solution is to make even more never human organic robot slaves, but train them for combat to catch and kill the escaped ones
>Oh and these combat robot slaves never rebel because we said so

Bravo Emil

>>377921489
that is true. but you can chalk it up to house wanting to buy the courier's trust. gives him one of a kind access to the lengendary lucky 38, gives him a bitchen pad, and treats him well.
maybe house realized how he treated the familys of the strip only breed discontent for him and he diddn't want the courier to eventually plot against him
house clearly needs human agents in the wastes to do what he wants, and he can't keep them at arms lengths like he did with the strips family. he's basically grooming you to be his not-son.
>>377921668
the robot pulled you from the ground and took you to a doc, but you literally got shot in the head and continued to have a pulse/breath. that is pretty impressive.

>>377921889
>but you can chalk it up to house wanting to buy the courier's trust.
It makes absolutely no fucking sense that a man as secretive and careful as house would try to buy a mailman's trust by spreading his anus like that. He could have gotten him a swanky room literally anywhere else in the strip.
He was basically grooming Benny to be his not-son and he still didn't trust him enough to even poke his nose inside the lucky 38.

>>377921889
>that is pretty impressive.
That's pretty lucky, but he'd still have died shortly if the robot hadn't saved you. And your luck wouldn't save you that way a second time.

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>>377916190
Fallout 4 didn't even attempt to explain what the Institute was trying to achieve, other than doing science for the sake of it.

Seriously alot of Fallout 4's plot holes would make sense if they just gave them a little bit of goddamn exposition. Like say

>Institute goal is to run experiments on the wasteland, trying to make the land habitable and create a functioning society
>For this purpose they use Sythns as agents since all the scientists are autistic mole people who don't want to go outside
>Their meddling has had positive and negative impacts on the wasteland
>Moral conundrum about whether all this is right or not free will blah blah blah.


Instead we get a half assed Blade Runner scenario with a slavery allegory. Fallout 4 seriously has some of the worst writing in videogames, Bethesda need to fire that hack of a head writer they have.

Honestly, I wish someone would butt in and take over the Bethesda games niche of highly moddable sandbox RPG's.

The problem is Bethesda's IP's are very well-loved and charming and have a strong history. But outside the IPs, bethesda's games are subpar in most aspects, from programming to writing to design to art to assets. They really need competition.

>>377922313
>He could have gotten him a swanky room literally anywhere else in the strip.
"hey cuntbags that hate me, this new guy that I'm basically replacing you with needs a place to stay. so give him a good room and don't try to sway his political beliefs. oh and he'll also be looking into each of you to see if you're doing anything I don't like"
yeah that'd go down well. the strip is hardly house's, the families have some decent power. especially pre upgrade. the omartas alone could steam roll those robots without their upgrade. so letting the mail man get all chummy chummy with them, or the cannibals down the road, or the guy actively trying to get you out of the picture with his reprogrammed robot is not a good idea. better to keep him close so he stays on your side.
>He was basically grooming Benny to be his not-son and he still didn't trust him enough to even poke his nose inside the lucky 38.
exactly. he kept benny at arms length, no wonder benny had no problems offing house. so house thinks if I keep the mailman close, maybe he will like me and be able to understand what I am trying to do if we have 1 on 1 dialog with one another.
house is a desperate man. his chip was stolen by his ex right hand man, the battle of the dam is coming, and his whole army could be destroyed by roman cosplayers any time once they get that chip. and since benny probably isn't too well protected, some legion assassins could easily get to him and get that chip. he had to do something, so he made a powerful ally. you
>And your luck wouldn't save you that way a second time.
no but in game rules would. I take .50s to the head all the time. nothing some soda can't heal

>>377922897
CD Projekt seems like they're trying to muscle in on Bethesda's territory. Problem is they're taking a fucking ice age to release their next game, whereas Beth reliably releases something every couple of years.

It would have been better if the Institute was a bunch of "science tribals" that don't know what the fuck they are doing or why but just do it for tradition.

They approach science like a religion and use the research objectives and topics from their ancestors as holy scripture that they revere.

They wear all the same attire and labcoats like their ancestors but don't know dick about science and treat it like ceremony.

They already had that whole "sin of the father" religious shit going on with Shaun because they wouldn't need him to make Synths; all of them have been underground their entire lives and wouldn't be "contaminated" and could provide their own DNA. Even if we apply their strict standard for contamination, they removed Shaun without any protection and traveled over the surface thus he is "contaminated" by their own definition anyway.

They simply went for Shaun because they needed a chosen figure from above in order to be their savior and leader, and it had to be a baby. Again, entry level religious stuff. Pagliarulo loves that shit anyway; remember that bible quote shit with James from FO3?

Instead they try to play the Institute straight and it makes them look like complete psychopathic idiots. Its like five different people wrote five different "versions" of the Institute and then mashed them all together in the last week of writing the script.

>>377916768
Brotherhood was pretty cool except for the part where they go against everything they believe in and nuke the shit out of the most technologically advanced place in the wasteland

>>377922967
>so give him a good room and don't try to sway his political beliefs
Funny, because by letting him into the hotel he pretty much put an enormous neon sign on the Courier that screams "THIS MAN IS IMPORTANT, THIS MAN IS VALUABLE, YOU'D BE FUCKING STUPID TO NOT TRY TO GET HIM ON YOUR SIDE". He didn't even have to directly intervene, all he had to do was give the courier dosh for expenses. Even that Vault-hotel would have been just fine as a place to hang.

>exactly. he kept benny at arms length, no wonder benny had no problems offing house. so house thinks if I keep the mailman close, maybe he will like me and be able to understand what I am trying to do if we have 1 on 1 dialog with one another.

That is an absolutely moronic and naive line of thought that does not fit House in any way."Maybe if I let this dangerous man I've known for a week tops inside my house he won't try to kill me in my sleep"

>>377923404
MUH ABOMINATIONS tho, Synths are UNNATURAL AND HERESY

>>377923091
>CD Projekt seems like they're trying to muscle in on Bethesda's territory
They aren't, they are focusing on the games as focused experiences, not on moddability and freedom. And that's okay, but it's not why the core audience likes bethesda/bethesda-obsidian games.

>>377923639
AD VICTORIAM, KNIGHT

>>377923404
They did the same to the Enclave.

>>377923521
>Even that Vault-hotel would have been just fine as a place to hang.
true. that would have been a decent neutral ground to be. plus, I'm sure house has or could put spying tech in there to keep an eye.
but that still comes back to the "keeping your friends at arms length" kinda thing. the more he keeps the mail man from him, the more the mail man is from mr house both physically and politically.>>377923521
>"Maybe if I let this dangerous man I've known for a week tops inside my house he won't try to kill me in my sleep"
well keeping your main agent at arms length clearly didn't work out as benny utterly fucked him over. so might as well try a new plan. and in some cases, it works out fantastically.

house didn't have many options, what he did was the best he could do.

>>377922967
>the families have some decent power.
Except they don't, house was able to strong-arm the families into accepting his proposition or leave/die. The kings and khans refused it and both had to leave. Not to mention that New Vegas's independence was wrought from a treaty between House and the NCR, no House means annex time.
>he kept benny at arms length, no wonder benny had no problems offing house
And Benny showed his loyalty by stealing a protectron to usurp power so he dropped the idea of grooming an heir from the families. House was running out of time thanks to the NCR/Legion conflict, so he chose the best candidate available. An individual who had no prior attachments, displayed a high degree of competence, and a willingness to pursue his objectives to the end. House was the first one to recognize his ability and went out of his way to earn his loyalty before anyone else.
>I take .50s to the head all the time
Game mechanics.

>>377923967
>and in some cases, it works out fantastically.
And those cases would surely have worked out almost exactly the same if the courier was renting a room instead. And in other cases, it is the end for Mr. House. Letting a man he's known for a week inside his final fortress is an absolutely unjustifiable risk and honestly sloppy writing.

>>377922967
>I take .50s to the head all the time.
So do raiders, legionnaires, ncr troopers, civilians and children.

>>377920178
To his defence, the chance that a brain damaged man would figure out where his "Phylactery" was, bypass all his defences and then go after his ass was pretty slim.

Then again, chance is a bitch, isn't she?

>>377921883
Well one of them did rebel. Harkness in FO3 was a Courser.

>>377916768
The Brotherhood is a bunch of luddites.

>>377924989
>Not even in FO4
>Could have been a nice companion
>LOLNOPE enjoy the shitty kid from FO3 instead lmao

>>377920956
>. if the brotherhood could be talked into being cool with the NCR, couldn't you do the same for house?
Brotherhood-NCR deal is the pinnacle of cuckoldry
instead of wiping the bandits, NCR hands over their power armors (which BoS already removed the servos from) and BoS harrasses people having laser pointers and RC toys', because
>m-m-m-muh technology must be preserved
The things BoS has is pretty much nothing relevant to what house has.
How would the deal between BoS and House be beneficial to House?

>>377924989
>>377921883
There's also a rogue courser in Far Harbor.

It's almost like Bethesda cant write for shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDqHoxVHW_s

>>377923521
>>377922967
Benny never worked for house except for being the head of the Tops casino, you fucking imbecile.
House was interested in him, but never made an offer.
DUDE MICHAEL ANGELO COULD BE HOUSE'S RIGHT HAND MAN INSTEAD OF THE COURIER!

>>377916768
The problem with the Brotherhood is that the game does a really piss poor job of expressing why exactly Synth's are a bad thing. Sure, sure, the Institute assassins suck but why do the Brotherhood care about the ones running around with their 'free will'?

The game NEVER presents us with a situation in which Synth's existence is presented as problematic. Everybody agrees to stop the Synth's production anyway, so the hateboner they hate for killing them all comes across as extremely petty. They at least shoved in the "Ghouls can all eventually become Feral and lash out" excuse but even that felt kind of forced in.

Then there's shit like being able to take Nick aboard the Prydwyn and the most you get is a few catty comments, after ambient dialogue about "GAS ALL SYNTHS ON SIGHT!111!"

Other than that the Minutemen just aren't fleshed out enough. It feels like they couldn't decide on if they wanted them to be NCR-lite or a part-time militia who run to the rescue whenever shit goes down, but having them do that would take the agency out of the players hands. It's a typical case of Besthesda being terrified to actually have the world change based on what the player does.

>Institute are the big bag boogeyman because they replaced a handful of people with synths for no real reason
>Not the fact they have been kidnapping thousands of people over a century and turning them into super mutant armies to attack the surface
>They had a full super mutant army only two years after mysteriously obtaining FEV from nowhere in particular

>>377926041
Isn't it because they don't believe toasters can have free will?
Or maybe that technology shouldn't have free will?

>>377925389
Being against "technology run amok" is not "being against technology." The Brotherhood has no problem with people using anything that existed before say, nuclear power. Laser rifles and power armor are verboten, but running around with machine guns and combat armor is fine. Even then, the Brotherhood is willing to barter for those items, as seen by the outcasts in F3 who reconciled with the main branch after Maxon came into power and the Brotherhood purchasing goods in the Diamond City market. The only real thing they take an issue with is going full-on "science for science's sake," without concern for the consequences. And seeing as how the Institute filled the commonwealth with super mutants and artificial human beings who are flat-out superior to natural humans, its a pretty reasonable stance to take.

>>377926041
>The problem with the Brotherhood is that the game does a really piss poor job of expressing why exactly Synth's are a bad thing.
The last time someone tried to "improve humanity" we got FEV. The Brotherhood was founded when Maxon got so so triggered by that, that he executed everyone involved. Tampering with the genes is big no-no to the BoS.

>The game NEVER presents us with a situation in which Synth's existence is presented as problematic.
Synths aren't just human, they're super human. The first experience you get with what happens when a synth gets loose is Gabriel, who became a powerful raider boss. If every free synth became a singer in a subway, there wouldn't be a problem. But enough of them go on to do violent things and do it better than most humans could hope to. Raiders and such will always exist, but superhuman raiders can be prevented. The Brotherhood is very pragmatic in these cases, and if the choice is between allowing a possible threat to exist or not allowing it to exist, they're going to break out the gatling lasers.

>Then there's shit like being able to take Nick aboard the Prydwyn and the most you get is a few catty comments
Because Nick is pretty obviously a robot. The Brotherhood has experience with AIs, and while Nick might be stretching their comfort zone, hes not going to replace humanity.

>>377926562
But why is that bad if they're generally just trying to live like human beings? I get that Synth's should stop being created - even the SJWroad agrees on that - but the ones like Nick who don't give two fucks about the Institute and sometimes even think they're human- why do they need to be hunted down and destroyed?

They never explain why this needs to happen and it just makes them look like idiots for no reason beyond "DUDE THE BROTHERHOOD IS GREY AGAIN LMAO!"

>>377926562

IIRC, Maxson says that "the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Synth."

>>377928309
Their justification is that the synths could unite against humanity and pose a threat, completely missing the point that treating them all like walking timebombs that need to be exterminated is exactly the kind of thing that might cause that to happen.

>>377928309
>Nick
Hes fine because hes a high-end gen 2. Pretty obviously a robot to anyone involved.

>But why is that bad if they're generally just trying to live like human beings?
Remember the Broken Mask Incident? Gabriel? What happens when the, apparently, biologically-immortal synths outlive their intended lifespan?

Remember the quest in Fallout 3 where the professor from the mysterious commonwealth is looking for a lost synth. The institute is just spinning out that single quest into a full fledged faction without stopping to check if it's reasonable or add any depth to it. Half assed writing at its finest.

>>377928563
You're right, its better to just hope the currently-limited population of super humans never expands and changes their mind.(synth reproduction is never really touched on, but the Brotherhood would neither know about their capabilities, nor care to risk it)

>>377929093

Nah, there was some clear foreshadowing for sequel potential with that quest from the get-go - I'm pretty sure the player can even ask to head up to the commonwealth to join the fight against the institute, but gets told that they'll just be an honorary member of the railroad if they help out the android in that aircraft carrier city.

There's no real foreshadowing for another city in Fallout 4, thoguh.

Ultimately my bet goes to Philly just because it's the most iconic east coat city which still remains unexplored by the sereis.

>>377929216
>synth reproduction is never really touched on,
Yes it is, the Institute makes them in the Robotics division.You can got here and watch them be assembled. Synths themselves are sterile.
>but the Brotherhood would neither know about their capabilities
Except through the SS who has been inside, or from going there if they attack
>nor care to risk it
Being willfully retarded is not an excuse to genocide innocent people

>>377923404
>Brotherhood was pretty cool except for the part where they go against everything they believe in and nuke the shit out of the most technologically advanced place in the wasteland
That's what the Brotherhood is all about though. Securing or destroying advanced tech to keep it away from the wasteland.

>>377916190
>Why is the Institute so retarded?
Any super-intelligent fictional society is limited by the mental capacities of the people writing them.

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>>377930664
This is the correct answer. It's always why everything in FO4 that didn't simply involve shooting shit was terrible. Their writing staff is freshman creative writing 101 bad. The industry absolutely needs to start valuing their writers again, and stop the race to bottom caused by hiring cheap, 20-something undergrads.

>>377930274
>reproduction is the same as production
>Synths themselves are sterile.
prove it
>Except through the SS who has been inside, or from going there if they attack
Which happens well after the Brotherhood arrives and the information retrieved isn't even documented. You're arguing the Brotherhood should let a fire keep burning unattended because it might not spread.
>Being willfully retarded is not an excuse to genocide innocent people
>people
Synths aren't human, the Brotherhood has no more obligation to them than super mutants.