Reminder to worship the Endless. Can we please have another

How does it compare to the first one? I found the first to be lacking complexity and options.

Got ES1 for 1 yurop the other week.
Played 25 hours so far and have yet to finish a match.

AI are a bunch of cheating fucks.

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>>377897797
>How does it compare to the first one?
I can't comment on the intricacies of the metagame since I just play on low difficulty for the power trip but in my opinion it does all the things ES1 did well and does them again, with some extra shiny added on.

So more of the same, but better.
>>377897840
>AI are a bunch of cheating fucks.
This is true.

>>377897918
Do you have any tips on how to cheese the AI in ES1?
Want to win a game already.

>>377898304
>Do you have any tips on how to cheese the AI in ES1
Shit, uh...I haven't played ES1 since sinking into Endless Legend.

What I do remember working frighteningly well is the self-repair module. Rush that in research, build a big tanky ship with lots of HP (healing 10% of 10K HP per turn is much better than 10% of 6K that has higher defense) and the steamroll should begin. At least that's how I remember

How good is endless legend compared to civ5? Which DLCs should I buy?

>>377898502
>How good is endless legend compared to civ5?
Having played both, I liked EL a lot more. It's more visually appealing and feels more "alive". I'm not exactly sure how to clarify that; maybe there's more evidence of TLC from the devs? Maybe it's just in my head.

The DLCs are all good but I have them all and it really starts to feel like feature creep once you have them all together. If you have to get them, pick one or two that appeal to you.

>>377898402
Neat, I'll try that.

>>377898664
Good luck anon. If you're on Steam maybe we could band forces together for an AI beatdown. But, as I said, I don't know that much about strategy and mostly just like flattening the AI.

>>377897658
on my current map cravers colonized half the galaxy and then stopped.
Will i be fucked if i crush them? are their planets getting sucked dry like in ES1 while times goes by?

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>>377898734
Stop hitting on me, you silly xenophile.

Why can't 4X games just stay fun throughout an entire game? They're so god damn tedious toward the end.

>>377899712
That's why you start doing wars anon. What are you? Some kind of space fish jew?
I agree, it's kind of a weakness of the genre

>>377899791
I haven't played ES2, I just assumed it's the same way though.

ES2 is so much comfier than Stellaris.

I just explored all space lanes in my part of the galaxy and haven't even met anyone else yet. Is my only option to get that tech that lets you travel freely?

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>>377897658
Fuck yeah, time for another Endless thread.

You are planning the demise of your local Unfallen or Vodyani, aren't you /v/?

>>377900316
Voydani are the coolest faction imo. Amplitude's factions have always been really neat about being unique both in terms of jaw-dropping designs and varied playstyle.

Stop shilling your shit game.

>>377900316
Trees are our friends anon. The Vodyani can suck it however.

>>377900316
Vodyani are KoS for me in all my playthroughs. Not only do they steal my pops but their "MUH CRUSADES" messages get on my nerves.

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>>377900441
sToP sHiLlinG yoUr sHiT gAme

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>Originally was going to play GLORIOUS HORATIO
>Suddenly Unfallen video and gameplay
>Still have the game installed since it came out but haven't booted it because I still can't decide

tips for getting gud in Endless Legend?

>>377898402
Unless the AI vastly outnumbers you in a battle, they will always attack your first 3 ships.
Build 2-3 high hp/armoured ships (Don't bother with too many weapon specific defenses) for a fleet with maybe some repair modules.
The rest of the fleet should be small glass cannons that use long-range kinetic weaponry.

I was easily mopping the floor of several 3k-4k point AI fleets with 1 or 2 of my 1500-2000 point fleets

>>377897840
>Played 25 hours so far and have yet to finish a match.
Welcome to 4x where the game acknowledges you have won 2/3rds of the way in, but will not accede like that one guy on lan parties that spends the entire 2 hours of a max players Age of Empires 2 game hiding town centers and laughs like a retard when call him a stalling faggot.

>>377901835
Personally I like the feeling of grinding them down to nothing.

>>377900441
fair enough, lets limit ourselves to talking about a game some of us enjoy.

>>377898502

Def get the one that adds spies n sheit.

Guardians too if you like super units.

Others if you like what they add.

>>377899712
That's because by endgame you have already won and it's just the process of getting the victory, which are the least interesting portions of the game because the AI is never a challenge anyway.

what are some good guides for rushing a victory in Endless Legend? Either for multiplayer or vs AI

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>>377900734
Unfallen are so fucking good. You can speed up their vine spreading by stacking multiple vineships in a single fleet. And then colonize whatever planets you want instantly, which grow up obscenely fast because of their food generation.

>>377899848

I got a panic attack when new races immigrating and fast research meant my empire's dominant party was scientists and pacifists, until I realized it only impacts what laws you pass.

Not like in Stellaris where it starts preventing you from declaring War n sheit.

>>377900316
I'm at war with the Vodyani right now. Didnt plan to but those fucks started sucking my population up. As a member of the most beautiful and perfect race I just couldnt stand to see my fellow amazing Horatio fall to such common filth.

>>377900234

First is warp travel, let's you slowly move to a system not lane connected.

Also launch probes on the map to explore to see what systems are near.

>>377902181
their design is so beautiful, too

Amplitude have a great visual style

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>>377897658
The unfallen the tree people bug out the vodyani. If you anchor a vodyani ark in a system with that guardian buff thing from the unfallen the ark bugs the fuck out and wont achor or unanchor and its just fucking stuck there.

They released this shit way too early. On top of everything if you're playing on a large map, its one thing to have lag a hundred turns or so in, its a completely different thing for it to freeze up.

Apparently they are suggesting to not play with pirates because the AI is doing some weird shit when it has a lot of pirates around.

Once again, wait until its cheaper because they released it too early.

I say this as someone who bought it during early access and i'm feeling pretty burned right now.

pic related me getting fucked by the devs

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>>377902265
They were community designed like the cultists were, this was one of the runner-ups

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>>377902436
And this was the winning design

>>377902528
Jaysus. I just popped in after not playing for a few months and the Unfallen were in the update, but I rolled with Horatio and UE as predictable enemies while I played Riftborn.

Unfallen are definitely showing up in my next game, that shit is just too cool.

>>377902170

Dunno about guides, but abusing luxury resources is a solid strategy.

Basically, you can "burn" them for bonuses like --double-- resource production for 10 turns I think.

Rush market tech so you can buy them for dust.

By turn 50 you'll be an era ahead in research with a full empire plan, renown to spare, and 10x the dust prod they have n sheit.

>>377902170

Dunno about guides, but abusing luxury resources is a solid strategy.

Basically, you can "burn" them for bonuses like --double-- resource production for 10 turns I think.

Rush market tech so you can buy them for dust.

By turn 50 you'll be an era ahead in research with a full empire plan, renown to spare, and 10x the dust prod they have n sheit.

>>377902837
>>377902836
This nigga got so much production going even his posts are double what we can manage

Anyone wants to play DoTE with me sometime?

>>377902051
That's true, I'm wondering if it would be better off if the actual victory conditions were a bit easier then. Like instead of 60% of habitable planets for a federation victory in Stellaris, why not just make it so you only need over 50%? Or instead of needing to be influential over everyone in Civilization 5's cultural victory, maybe you can just ignore that one faggot country that is just stacking culture. I understand all this shit for multiplayer, but for single player it's just tedious. They're too stupid to actually get victories. This genre is usually played single player, and yet the AI is never good enough in any of the games to justify the single player experience. It's not too far off just turning bots on in an FPS.

>>377903380
I think the problem is these games are usually balanced with a multiplayer perspective.

Give a player victory for having 51% of the galaxy would kind of be a dick move to the guy with 49% victory who might still easily win the game depending on circumstances (for example, if he focused more on research so now he has a much more developed fleet than the other guy despite being slightly smaller). You want victory to be clear enough that it can't be reasonably contested, but at the same time that means that in almost all cases, especially in singleplayer, you already know that you've won the game long before the game actually grants you the win.

>>377902974
lmao

How the fuck do you stop riftborn time bubbles? I'm not even at war with the fuckers and one of them threw its shit all over one of my major shipyards.

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>>377903965
you don't

Everytime I see that logo I get hyped thinking it's a Sunless Sea thread.

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Give me three reasons why you aren't playing Horatio.

>>377904469
1. Unfallen
2. Voydani
3. United Empire

I really wanted to buy this, but I think I'll wait til it gets a price drop. Civilization VI ruind my hype for 4X games

These intro videos for the factions are pretty good

>>377897658

>only time I've ever seen Endless discussed on /v/.

You must be new here, /v/ is what pointed me toward Endless Space a long time ago

>>377904878
I don't come around very often these days. The board just ain't what it used to be since it really went downhill in 2011

>>377904659
>trees
>muslims
>pretty cool dudes
1/3 ain bad I guess.

>>377905162

It had been shit for a long time, I just have no where else to go sadly

>>377905223
trees are cool

>>377897658
How good is the prospect of good dlc and mods for thus game?

>>377905379
I'm scared because they're owned by Sega now.

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>>377905379
Given Amplitude's history of releasing worthwhile DLC (at least for Legend, idk about ES1) I'd say it's a safe bet.

No idea about mods though.
>mfw Game Boy Advance in my captcha

Went full jew on my first playthrough and some fucker attacked me. Gave him half of my money and he stopped. Still won though.

Okay people what are your biggest balance changes needed to make this game as good as endless legend?

For me it's

>fix broken trade growth on luxuries
>end-game tech that lets you force elections to happen on a quicker cycle
>AI governors need a re-work so instead of a vague priority they run from a single master list of allowed/unallowed buildings

>>377905503
I want to mod in a game boy advance ship into the game now.

>>377897658
i am playing endless apce 1 in blind run with trial and error. it's my first 4X.
question is how much fucked up am i?

>>377905856
Just don't neglect your military and you'll be fine.

The AI cheats but they always go hostile and they can't win a fight against a hero-led army to save their lives, even with a tech advantage. So you can grind them down and eventually eke out a big territory advantage.

So did you side with Isyander or tell him to go fuck himself?

>>377900642
facebook tier meme

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>>377905975
>not wiping the slate clean

>>377897658
Can somebody expain me what is happening here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hMrp1S6NyY
All I know that this is ship from EL containing that Dust crystal from Dungeon.
And that this is what cause a rift in Riftborn Universe.
But why it exploded?
Who is narrating here?
Is this how Dust got thrown around the universe?
Didin't Dust exist before this happend?

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FINALLY FUCKING TIME TO FIELD MY CAPITAL SHIP

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JUST WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING HERE?!

>>377906860
I seriously hope you're using actual good battle cards, turtle is garbage

>>377907012
mouse over the ships, what cargo are they carrying?
cargo ships are automatically generated for various things

>>377897658
I've been playing Stellaris recently and quite liked it. How does ES and ES2 compare to it? Always been interested in the Endless games but never took the plunge

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>>377907080
I don't have that save anymore but Cravers were butt angry about this.
Also Cravers won in this game, WITH FUCKING ECONOMIC VICTORY!
AND THEIR POLITICAL AFFILIATION WAS FUCKING ECOLOGY!
FUCKING ECONOMICAL ECOLOGIST CRAVERS!
Also remove Vodyani.

>>377907142
ES2 is more like Civilization than Stellaris.

>>377907015
Yeah, Turtle was just the one that happened to be default.

I used Long Barrage instead.

>>377907232
I would suggest turning off economic victory in any new games. It's very easy to trigger and doesn't require any focus at all, since most playstyles will generate an obscene amount of dust.

>>377907142
ES2 is a proper 4X, Stellaris is whatever abomination it's trying to be.
ES2 has content and there is still a lot of things to do in mid-game, something that just falls flat in Stellaris.

>>377907347
Yeah I read later on the forums that it's piss easy and even Cravers can do it.

>>377899047
Yes just crush and raze>>377899079

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>Play Unfallen
>Just sit there like a useless pacifist shit and spread like a disease all over the universe
>As soon as someone gets butthurt with me just throw some pocket dust in their face

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>>377906860
Yes, this is exactly what I built that gigantic ship for.

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>>377907551
POST BEST TACTICS AND WHY ITS SHEREDYN SLUGS!

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OH BABY

HERE WE GO

>>377907851
That one really is amazing, I wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed it soon

>>377908013
btw, in case you don't know, you can move your ships between formations in tactics menu before combat

>>377907851
How do you get more tactics?

>>377908094
You can find them through curiosities and some techs on the upper quadrant

>>377908094
Curious,Tech, Quests.

>>377906758
That exact dustsplosion is seen in the cravers prologue. That ship is the one the vaulters used to escape Auriga. Maybe their ship had a bad warp drive and that's whh it was on Auriga in the first place. Maybe the vaulters died alongside everyone else.

The narrator is the heretic

>>377908316
The Academy guy?
But what did the mean, "Until They Came"
Dust was before the explosion, unless he ment Riftborn.

>>377908536
Probably the Cravers invading

>>377900443
>The Vodyani can suck it however.
glad you've come to terms with your ultimate fate

Coveneant faction mod when?

>>377908802
>implying I'm not currently tearing them apart because they were stupid enough to try my 3 strikes rule

1) they picked the opposite team on the academy quest
2) their empire is in between me and one of the loadstone systems
3) the fuckers actually had the balls to threaten me
Better luck next game space muzzies.

>>377907015
Turtle is a hard counter to missile memes though.
It's not generally great but can be worth having in your deck depending on what you're up against.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people are running default, it's not really very clear about how to change them

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I feel like I'm not being very efficient as the Vodyani, after I get my 2 pops from succing other factions should I just start pumping out an ark ship?

I'm getting overtaken in score by the AI even on easy

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>>377897658
>>377908818
Ships
>phantom and spirit as small
>corvette and battleship as medium
>assault carrier as large

Heroes
>tartarus
>the arbiter
>the shipmaster
>prophet of regret
You would download this, don't lie

>>377909046
Vodyani have a hard early game.
Don't waste essence getting pop. Get out another leecher ship if you have more than one civ to leech off and get another ark as fast as possible.
AI can't do shit against arks early game and what you want is defenses for your leeches and as many leeches as you can get.
Also deck one of your arks out with essence modules.

You want an army of leeches and arks early game until you can ramp up production and have the right technology.

>>377908992
Did you do the tutorial? They tell you when they talk about manpower, or is even is own pop up, I can't remember

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I have no idea how ground battles work.

So once I've accidentally dried up my manpower in this fleet, I'll have to park it in one of my systems for a while until its manpower is revived?

>>377909046
Vodyani are parasite, they can't do shit without a host

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>great industrial output
>loads of influence, and an actual fucking use for the stuff
>can transition into full military or full science; the most flexible race overall
>Sim Bases
>Zelevas Incarnate
>Sheredyn Slugs
>Imperial slugs (their better no-resource mid-late game guns) plus the empire's crazy industrial output plus their cheaper ships plus Sheredyn Slugs
>best theme
Daily reminder that the United Empire is the best faction.

>>377909519
>humans
They are shit

>>377909519
>best theme
not even close
https://youtu.be/fM0JHl_EZJ8

>>377902528
Glad amplitude did follow the magic design the guy proposed

>>377909382
Yes. Easiest way to take planets is siege them first to drain them of manpower (there's also early unlockable siege modules to speed it up). You should fit invasion ships with Manpower modules.

Manpower filling is handled on empire level, and you can increase this with food and left tech quadrant that unlocks buildings that give additional manpower per food. Military window (the one where you design ships) also has soldier upgrades (that apply on empire level) and you can change how big % of your armies are soldiers / tanks / planes.

>>377909359
Can you even do the tutorial if it's not your first game? I bought it when it first went into early access and sort of played it sparingly on and off since then. I really wish there was any real resource for information about this game, a lot of stuff is vague and not too explained, like exactly how trading companies work. You get the vague idea of what you need to do but the specifics of which company creates routes to which subsidiary is very esoteric.

On another note, god damn has it improved since then.

>>377909794
>Can you even do the tutorial if it's not your first game?
Yes, go to option, I think you may be a retard, anon

>>377910065
>the useless hints about the most obvious shit that throws a shitfit if you try to skip any part
And here I thought they said they added an ACTUAL tutorial

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>>377909519
BEST EMPEROR

>>377910525
NANOMACHINES SON

>>377910517
Is a fucking bitch but the tutorial tell you everything you need to know about the game, I don't know how people have problems figuring things out

>>377909046
get a second ark asap and use the ark + hero to bully other factions

don't focus too much on improving your home system at first get out 2-3 leechers for constant supply of leech. You never want to not be saving up for a new ark, you can't ever have enough of them during early and midgame.

>>377910741
But it doesn't, anon. It tells you the basics but doesn't explain the specifics of the mechanics. People can figure out what to do just fine, they can't figure out ways to optimize what they're doing.

>>377910525
man, now I want to stop my vodyani play and start over as UE

>>377910908
It is a tutorial, not a fucking guide, you lernd that by playing the fucking game, man

>>377910908
>the point of games is to learn how to optimize on your own
>wants the tutorial to do that

???

>>377911065
*learn

>>377910908
Read a guide or some shit senpai

>>377911065
>>377911107
Telling you what the specific mechanics of a strategy game are isn't being a guide you fucking spergs. I want to know what things actually do, in order to learn to optimize myself.

>>377911191
The tutorial does that though?

Did you get a few basic pop ups and decided fuck that and turned it off?

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>mfw just finished my first Riftborn game

H O R A T I O
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I
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Why can't we just get a fucking complete strategy game on release? Every single one releases with food, production/materials, science, currency, and tech tree points, and that's all you get until a new expansion, every time. Why can't they try to improve upon the previous games and their expansions instead of just falling back to vanilla with prettier graphics or something? Why didn't Civ5 release with religion? Why didn't The Sims 2 release with pets? FUCK

>>377907461
Is there any way or technology to give the dead planets new life? Do they regenerate somehow if i leave them uncolonized for a while after kicking the Cravens?

>>377911837
no that's why you want to remove craver asap in all games

>>377911406
wait what?

why are your niggers black?

My robots remained white and pure

>>377909382
>defending player can select preemptive bombing
Bombing and Guerilla should be Attacker and defender specific.

>>377911985
>implying I was defending in that screenshot

>>377911985
No, defenders get their own tactics to choose from. From what I've seen the AI always chooses conscription.

>>377911915
Damn what an annoyance. I think in the next run i'll remove both pirates and cravens so i can understand the other mechanics better

This game punishes you badly if you rush colonizations, siding this and the fact that Cravens permanently fuck up systems is goddamn stupid

>>377912086
>From what I've seen the AI always chooses conscription.
Conscription is by far the best tactic. It'll turn a definitive loss into a stall at the cost of 1 population.

Even if you might lose the system eventually there will be no population left for it to be of much value.

>>377912143
That's the entire point of the cravers. They're playing a race against time, and if they stop colonizing or conquering they're dead.

What's this game? I've been trying to give new games and genres a go lately. Can you sell me on it?

>>377912269
It's a space 4X game

have you played Civilization? It's pretty similar

>>377911406
How the hell do you manage to get the Ecologist approval in 4 systems as them? Shit seems almost impossible if you don't manage to get some Horatios or one of the smaller factions to fill a system.

>>377912143
>>377912201
Do you eventually just give up on old systems to deal with overcolonization? Seein how when they're depleted they're not of that much value anymore.

What's the point of building a system up anyways?

>>377912201
So, in theory, can i let them kill all the other factions and the once we're left 1vs1 turtle in my systems until they run out?

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>>377912269
You get to watch Space Muzzie ships explode.

>>377912269
I personally suggest starting with Civilization, I started with Civ5. The reason is that it feels like the game throws a bunch of shit at you that doesn't make sense at first, but there's some familiarity with Civilization. You know who the French are, you know that a tank is going to be more powerful than a guy with a sword, etc. Once you get used to that, then the more fantasy and sci-fi ones are easier I believe.

>>377911915
I think one of the Rifborn time bubbles can either heal a planet or remove its exploitation stress.

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>>377902528
I've just realise they're more organic Eldar ships. I thought I recognised the outline.

>>377912571
Lawsuit incoming boys

>>377912431
Not a chance.

>>377912617
Nah, they're different enough. It's just the same outline. A bulbous front with sails along the rear.

It's a cool design though.

>>377912431
If they conquer everything they'll have ridiculous FIDS and win another victory even if they can't kill you

>>377912439
>a parasitic race that relies on others to grow and prosper
The they are space Jews ffs they even have goyam class of ships

Can someone give me an update on Endless Legend? I haven't played in over a year but I somehow have Shifters and Tempest in my library, I must have bought them during some sale between the last time I played and now. Do they add anything to the game and are they any fun to play? And were there any major updates that add stuff since? Deciding if I want to go back and play it more since I only ever put 30 hours into it.

>>377910525
Oh fuck, is that in one of the quests? I took the Sheredyn route and never saw this picture.

I really want to like this game but i'm on the fence. I'm currently playing cravers and without thinking about anything or using any sort of a strategy i'm just wiping the floor with everyone. Spam ships and consume planets.

I'm playing on normal. Is Cravers the ultimate ezmode faction or should i up the difficulty or something?

>>377913146
>Oh fuck, is that in one of the quests?
It's ending .

how do I get riftborn outposts to grow faster? this shit is taking like 30 turns

How do the population bonuses actually work? For example, if a horatio has +2 to food production does that mean that every system produces two more food per horatio?

Anyone got terraforming map? Or is there somewhere in the game where you can check? Wondering where to put Obelisk of Remembrance since it gets boosts from Temperate planets.

>>377912369
Even with minor factions and spamming farms it's difficult. Fastest way to do it is to change to dictatorship, choose Ecologist party, then do propaganda (dictatorship exclusive system improvement) to 4 systems, then once the quest is complete change back to not shit government type.

>>377913290
Wat. I finished the main quest and didn't get that and then won with an economic victory and it just said well done you won.

>>377913085
Shifters add Allayi race (the most OP faction) and pearls which is s new resource you collect in winter for powerful bonuses
Tempest adds Morgawr and naval combat weather effects in ocean tiles a ocean forts that if you control give you resources or other bounuses

>>377913405
How many patches ago was that, anon?

>>377913191
Also, how do i specify who i throw into the feeding pits? I've conquered Horatio Prime and every time i get a single craver in there and activate the feeding pits, its the craver that gets eaten.

>>377913445
This is the up to date steam version.

>>377913309
Strategic resources nigga. One booster gives flat bonus to industry (good if you settled low industry planet) while the other doubles it (good if you settled already industry heavy planet).

In general whereas other factions should settle food heavy planets first, Riftborn should settle industry heavy planets first.

>>377913443
>Allayi
>most OP
How could they compete with Broken Lords?

>>377913443
Thanks for the rundown my man

>>377913510
>spam monks
>win by first winter
>on endless length

>>377913507
Outposts, not colonies.

>>377913593
>Broken Lords
>buy everything
>

>>377913614
Riftborn have special actions on their outposts that use strategics to grow them instead of dust and influence

Is there any downside for spamming settlers/colonies at the start of the game? Or is that not a good tactic?

>>377913614
I was talking about outposts, they grow based on planet resource output. Click the system you just settled. Normal factions can spend Dust to double food or Influence to increase outpost migration, whereas Riftborn get the option of spending Titanium or Hyperium to get Industry boosts that increases outpost growth.

>>377913780
the planet you are colonizing from can run out of food and pops start dying

>>377913780
You definitely want to, but try to only grab 3+ systems and don't exceed your limit because the happiness penalty gets pretty insane.

>>377913146
Extermination Victory, I killed everyone because the waged war on me.

>>377914440
Maybe you don't get cool cutscenes for economic victories. I have to turn that shit off. It's terrible anyway.

I did also click continue playing. Maybe you need to go to the score screen.

>tfw no Automatons
>tfw no Sowers
>tfw only one human faction Horatio don't count.
Sounds like a shit game senpai.

I can't wait to pick it up.

>>377914657
>wants more human factions in a sci fi game

One is enough.

>>377914758
One is alright, but two can also be handled well. Stellaris did it alright.

>>377914548
You need to get to score screen to get ending.

>>377914758
I honestly like multiple factions of races in my sci-fi games, even if they're not human. I'd happily take those Mavros as playable alongside as a major faction, for example.

I have never touched Endless Space and the only similarities I know it shares with Legend is Dust and some strategic resources.
Are there any other similarities? Preferably lore-wise, even if they are not in the same universe. I noticed that Cultists can be found in both games.

>>377914548
>Maybe you don't get cool cutscenes for economic victories
You do.

>>377914821
I thought the point of Stellaris was making your own factions?

>>377914821
Except Stellaris didn't
There was nothing unique about races in Stellaris.
They were randoml;y generated at post.
in ES2 each race is unique.
With different ways to play it.

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>>377914940

>>377914940
They actually do share the same universe.
>>377915094
Wait what? OpBot is in this game?

>>377897918
In other words, it's just as shit as the first game was, but it has some extra shiny for the retards to think it's a new game.

ES1 was fucking awful. It's so shallow it's barely even a fucking game.

>>377915147
He is, somewhere. He won a vote on g2g that chose a Dungeon of the Endless character to appear as a hero in ES2, and that art was released.
I haven't found him yet, he might be part of a quest or not fully implemented.

I really want to like this game and it seems like it's improved on a lot of the dumb shit about the first game (the battle tactics screen gives me wood) but it's seriously unstable and quirky in a bad way. Using the steam overlay while the turn is ticking over is a CTD (okay, sure whatever). Clicking on the diplomacy tab is a CTD (!). The behavior of various popups at turn start is just bizarre -- random events come before imminent battle notifications, but if you click on the battle notification, before you can start the battle it's gonna let you know if you have any technologies or constructions completing this turn! What were they doing during Early Access if not ironing this kind of crap out?

>>377914821
>stellaris did it right

Stellaris fanboys are weird.

>>377904019
where are these floating bullets even coming from

I swear artists know fuck all about guns; the trajectory puts them at the guy with his gun lowered but it would've been impossible for him to lower the gun in the span of time it takes a couple bullets to travel 2-3 meters.

fuck

>>377914821
The point of Stellaris was to make your own. I like it in kind of an RPG sorta way, at least at first. Then you get kinda bored of it as the game goes on. I haven't played ES2 so can't comment on that.

>>377897658

>play Lumeris
>Golds and industry
>Another empire declares war
>It's ultra-militaristic Vodyani

Welp, time to shit out a billion ships to throw into the meat grinder.

>>377915147
>They actually do share the same universe
Is Auriga a planet in Endless Space then? Did one faction canonically win Legend?

>>377915619
If that was a competent human I would say kiss your ass good-bye, but since its the AI don't sneeze on them too hard or you'll kill their entire race.

>>377915841
This might have gotten retconned at some point, but as far as I know, Auriga is currently a barren rock in Endless Space, and the only known faction to make it off the planet is the Vaulters as a whole, but there was a Broken Lord hero in ES1, so

>>377915841
Yes, Auriga is in ES2.
Press F to pay respects.

>>377915558
>it would've been impossible for him to lower the gun in the span of time
That's the point. The Riftborn are time manipulators.

>>377913780
Depends on faction

Cravers, riftborn, vodyani - go wild
unfallen - don't need to

>>377897658
Is the latest version bugged? I seem to get problems like the planet cap for the empire not increasing even after researching the tech, or some of my production not completing despite only having 1 turn left, for 4 turns
Also, how the hell do you increase law slots?

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>>377915558
>4th dimensional beings
>not doing impossible things

>>377916064
No, I don't think you understand

If the timelords froze time, his gun would still be pointing in the same direction as the bullets

His gun is pointing at the ground while the bullets are a few meters away

that's impossible, the dickwad shooting isn't the one manipulating time

so why the fuck would the riftborn faglords freeze the bullets but not the guy?

doesn't make sense

artist is retarded

>>377916162
sega forced them to release the game while its maybe 80% complete assuming typical anemic early access release and more like 40% complete compared to an actual non-early access game

This game won't actually be worth the money until it's had 2-3 expansions that add the other 20-60% of the game that's still missing

>>377916267
>4th dimensional beings
>Take the shape of humanoid robots and not abstract geometry

>>377916276
>can manipulate time
>can't move in different directions and change position.

I don't think you're understanding how time stopping works. They are freezing everything and moving and shooting. Thats why things aren't lining up.

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>>377916497
Watch their intro dipshit they were abstract geometry and they took on a 3d shape when they went through a rift.

>>377916497
But that won't make my pepe want to stick inside one of their perfect holes.

>>377916496
>chosen Sega as Publisher
>when they could chose Night Dive or DEVOLVER
Are they retarded?

>>377916508
Just so we're clear, you think the humans are freezing time and moving and shooting?

Because the humans are the ones shooting those bullets not the robofag fetish mans

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>>377916671

>>377916829
they are both shooting, they both have guns. You're trying to line up bullets with improper shooters and then trying to justify your observation by saying only one side is shooting.

>>377902265
>nd then colonize whatever planets you want instantly,
Agreed. Reminds me of the Weirwood trees in Game of Thrones.

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>>377916671
according to /d/ you can have both

>>377916764
Neither of those publishers have any sort of strategy game in their portfolio and also don't have international distribution.

>>377916967
No, they are not both shooting

not a single bullet in that scene is heading towards the humans instead of away, you goddamn retard

Do you not know what bullets look like or something?

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>>377897658
someone gift me a copy

>>377917204
sent ;)

>>377917102
>Neither of those publishers have any sort of strategy game in their portfolio
Good, all the better to pick them so your studio doesn't get axed for competing with another studio under the same publisher.

> and also don't have international distribution.
Who t fuck needs "international distribution" when literally anyone can sign on with GoG or Steam?

Publishers are for providing capital and marketing, not distribution.

>>377917161
>comes back to the main point again.

Listen cockstain, if you can stop time and move in different directions. You do not have to be on the same position you are in the image. They can go behind into the background of the image and shoot at them which would lead the bullets to be coming towards the front of the image.

This is what i meant by moving around, the bullets are coming from different directions because the riftborn moved, you're only tracing the bullets from the current positions ignoring that theres a past to the image as well.

Keep up god damn.

>>377917083
/d/ is fucking shit and I hate they infested /aco/ and /trash/ too
they can go to hell

>>377916842
>At least you tried

>>377917361
You're coming up with an awful lot of contrivances to excuse your idiocy

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>>377917285

>>377916842
>time distorts behind you

>>377917448
>can't comprehend the movement of a 4th dimensional being using time stop as an ability to shoot from different directions and angles
>im the idiot.

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

>>377904019
>>377915558
In another one of these images the same guy's drawn two humans with vertical crossbow guns and they're both holding the underside of their crossbow gun like it's a normal gun, but the bowstring goes behind where their hand is, making it impossible to actually shoot

So either the artist is retarded or the gun's don't actually use the bowstring (and the artist is again retarded for coming up with the shitty design that makes using the sights impossible)

seriously their artist is good at general composition and design, but when it comes to meshing with real life he doesn't know what he's doing. It's like when steampunk fags throw gears on everything even though the gears don't do shit. This guy designs crap that doesn't make sense but looks cool.

looks like patch 1.05 just got pushed to the main steam branch

>>377918243
patchnotes where

are riftborn balanced yet or still op as fuck

>>377918383
increased colonizer cost for riftborn, but they fixed a bug where their homeworld wasn't generating hyperium

>>377918515
That was a bug?

I thought it was on purpose

>>377918612
no, they're supposed to start with both a small titanium and hyperium deposit since they need both resources to function

>>377918383
http://steamcommunity.com/games/392110/announcements/detail/1262543810903398342

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>>377897658
>Endless Legend welcome also.
Why did EL never get a big modding scene going? Is it harder to make mods for EL than Civ? I would imagine not, as it's a Unity game but I don't know anything about the technology.

Or is it the devs and their insistence that playing with mods, even purely visual ones, should disable achievements? If you want to help change the mind of the devs, vote here
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/ideas/748-aesthetic-mods-should-not-disable-achievements
and
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-legend/forums/6-game-design/threads/22073-request-enable-achievement-unlocking-while-playing-with-mods

Amplitude does pay attention to community so if enough people make a big deal out of it, we've got a chance to make a difference!

Is it still possible to trade techs and shit for free in Endless Space 2? I loved the first game but playing multiplayer with some friends ruined it because they'd team up against me by trading techs for free so they'd essentially have double the exponential growth

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>>377898502
>Which DLCs should I buy?
Everything except the Echoes of Auriga and Lost Tales: these are minor but good DLC, everything else is a proper expansion.

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>>377900751
Here's a cheat sheet, now git gud.

>>377919946
No one gives a single shit about achievements.

>>377920329
The fuck is this?

>>377921250
how to maximize bonuses from city growth

>>377921307
That's pretty cool actually.

>>377904469
Over and over and over

>>377897658
How can you even conquer your enemies here? I'm already 3 systems above my limit and those space jews still have 4 left. I'm just gonna die if I take more.

>>377912571
Didn't see the eldar ship but I recognize a Myr from Magic.

>>377921779
after you "own" their systems you can abandon them

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>>377914821
>sci-fi game
>fantasty game
>limitless possibilities
>still wants the equivalent of Human Male Warrior

>>377920329
>>377921307
>Not just making one huge hexablob

The fuck is wrong with you?

>>377921962
What's stopping them from just taking them back? Also fully controling a conquered system takes a fuckton of time, is there a way speed this up? I want to blitz them to death.

>>377897658
Is the combat better?

>>377922116
>What's stopping them from just taking them back?
your fleets/their deaths
>Also fully controling a conquered system takes a fuckton of time, is there a way speed this up?
Planetcracker

>>377922173

Define "better". In ES2 you can actually make tactical choices but its still literally auto-resolve.

>>377919946
Just added 17 100 pts, hope the devs listen.

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>>377897658
Threadly reminder that if you haven't played Dungeon of the Endless then you don't know shit about the Endless. And the plot of ES1/2 and Legend.

https://youtu.be/sGJuViaIdfA

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>>377919946
The devs listen but the community is retarded. And yes, I am still salty about the Sister of Mercy hero.

>>377922340
I never won any battles in ES1 but won games in EL.

>>377922648
Why, what was wrong with her?

>>377897658
I didn't love the first, endless legends was really good and dungeons of the endless was my favourite.

>>377904469
I tried but his gimmick isn't that fun compared to the other factions.

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>go to war with UE
>destroy most of their fleets, start invading their systems
>"UE has won an economic victory!"
Well, that was anticlimactic and unsatisfying. I think I'm just going to disable that victory condition from now on.

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>>377923009
Her ingame ability is that she prevents your cities from going into negative food. Sounds like a decent ability? Think again, literally any city won't ever suffer starvation once you build up your tech & infrastructure a bit. Problem is, her ability doesn't even help you in the beginning because you have to level her up to max before you can utilise the ability... by which time it is literally useless!

Would be cool if they add in some of the more autistic empire management stellaris has going, because as it stands it already has way more unique races than stellaris. Fucking hell how do you fuck up a scifi 4x that badly and make all races feel the same.

The combat is okay, could be a bit better. I will say I do miss the stellaris real time system a bit, because then you have SLOW FUCKING PEOPLE taking 15 minutes per turn. You can set turn timers but I'd prefer to be without the problem. Still fun.

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>>377923403
>Well, that was anticlimactic and unsatisfying. I think I'm just going to disable that victory condition from now on.
I learned this lesson in ES1
>ALWAYS disable Economic
>ALWAYS disable Score
>ALWAYS disable Diplomatic
It actually forces the AI and you to interact with each other instead of turtling for 200+ turns.

>>377920135
>Everything except the Echoes of Auriga and Lost Tales: these are minor but good DLC
Is there any real reason to not get those if you have money or they are on good sale.

>>377915558
>the trajectory puts them at the guy with his gun lowered
wew fix your eyes bro

>>377923426
I suppose that's true, but see the thing is, tits.

>>377919946
>Why did EL never get a big modding scene going? Is it harder to make mods for EL than Civ? I would imagine not, as it's a Unity game but I don't know anything about the technology.
I assume that Civ, being THE 4X game everyone and everyone's dog knows, gets more mods purely from it's popularity.

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>>377923748
Lost Tales is great, 21 more ingame quests full of lore for the minor factions. Get it.
Echoes of Auriga: it gives you more songs and items for your heroes with shiny effects but no special stats. Not really worth it, unless you want more music.

>>377923891
We were getting the tits in all cases. But the fucking community voted to have that food ability for the hero instead of the one that increases strategic resource production or the other ability that made her into a one (wo)man army.

>>377923815
fix UR eyes "bro"

>>377924121
>instead of the one that increases strategic resource production
Okay fuck, as a Vaulter player that makes me absolutely livid.

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>>377924121
>Echoes of Auriga: it gives you more songs and items for your heroes with shiny effects but no special stats. Not really worth it, unless you want more music.
That Gravity Well remix tho

>>377922460
Please tell me how to enjoy this game. >>377923127

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>>377925067
It's a really unique mix of tower defense and roguelike. Solid gameplay, tons of humour. Every single tooltip is a joke.

>>377911698
For one, it's resources. All those features cost money to implement and very few TBS games can afford it. Civilization could but it upholds Sid Meier's game design theory.

Now, said design theory is a well known fact. Just as too many ingredients spoil the food, too many mechanics make for shitty games.
Compare Starcraft, a well-done but barebones game that had almost no features to speak of to some of the extremely niche and hardly known RTS games made not a year later which had 3D terrain, true line of sight, bullet simulation, time of day, weather effects, deep tech trees, unit creation (make your own units from parts), build order templates, AI managed economy,... and sold like shit.

Even Endless Legend has got to that point, as per anon's at the beginning of the thread.
It's nice to get more feaetures when you've played the original game to death but having to do a depth first search on a wikipedia to just be able to name all the mechanics you need to play the game results in rather shitty and unpopular games.

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>>377925483
>Get to upper levels
>Enemies can break through doors

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>>377925714
>it starts a chain opening of all doors and multiple waves spawns
sweatyman.png but not impossible, I've lived through this before
>several of the stationary boss fucks spawn and start buffing all the enemies
>mfw this happens on level 11

>>377913191
Normal is pretty easy in Endless games.

It's fun enough and allows you to learn the ropes. Though you should keep in mind that Endless games are built in a way that is generally set up to provide a bunch of factions that, if played correctly, roll face with their orientation (i.e. endless exploitation and expansion for Cravers).
At that point, you just take them online or pick other factions/random (and possibly unfavorable) conditions on start.

>>377926212
I hate when your entire defence is centered around one room and it gets buttfucked by an emp or whatever that storm is called.

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>>377927021
That is also the worst.

Name 1 (ONE) thing this game does better than Stellaris. I'll wait.

>>377920074
Any trades need to be backed up by influence, lots of it.

Also, the tech to trade techs is kinda late into the tech tree.

>>377927464
Do you go heavy on turrets or heroes? I always spam hero buffers and enemy debuffers.

>>377927641
the way planets work, everything from their biomes, technical characteristics, to orbits is head and shoulders above stellaris

Also, the characterization and design of the different races, including everything from the backstory to actual gameplay differences, is head and shoulders above stellaris

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>>377927718
Almost all my heroes are module-buffers + 1 meatshield. In my experience, even the combat heroes can't kill anything and survive on the higher levels so I stick to modules.

>>377927641
Fun

>>377927984
Not an argument.

>>377927641
Combat, factions, UI design, graphics, music, diplomacy, actually has mid-game, has auto-resolve (I suppose that counts under combat, but it can't be said enough).

Stellaris is like Elder Scrolls. It's a shitty game, but it allows you to pretend you're actually playing a decent game by making up shit as you go because the game does not have anything for you to do.

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>main menu theme
my heart, my melting heart.

>>377927915
I agree, on the other hand stellaris does politics, government, and diplomacy MUCH better

And both games fail completely at combat

The main point of focus for future endless space 2 development/expansion should be (politics, AI, and diplomacy), hands down. Do a good system there with intelligent AI and you will have salvaged the trainwreck the game otherwise is at the moment.

After that's ironed out, I'd shift to working on the combat system.

After those two major areas are done, they should shift to story-oriented expansions full of quests and events and otherwise general fixes and quality of life improvements to make the game flow and work better.

I really hope they flesh out the political stuff more; iirc it was the last thing they were working on prior to release so that's probably why it's so bad

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>>377928448
>mfw Riftborn Theme

Got a few questions
So what is the canon end for Endless Legend?
Is the end of Dungeons of the Endless a reference to the vaulters?

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IT'S HAPPENING LADS!
>[1.0.5] Release notes
http://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=392110

>>377928515
>diplomacy
>stellaris
>better
it's no fucking different
There hasn't been a single 4X with proper Diplomacy other than, gib me dat, gib alliance, we war.

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>>377928901
Auriga froze, everyone died, except the Vaulters and Mezari and Virtual Endless that boarded the Gray Owl and fucked off to space.

>>377928901
>So what is the canon end for Endless Legend?

The teaser video for Endless Space 2.
Vaulters, along with the help of the Concrete Endless plus that robot from DotE repair that crashed Hissho ship and make it for the stars as Auriga freezes up completely.

Vaulters we don't know about yet (even if the UE can elect Mezari family into power, confirming they were human castaways), but the Concrete Endless continues his quest to make the space an interesting place.

>>377928515
>I agree, on the other hand stellaris does politics, government, and diplomacy MUCH better

Have you actually played Stellaris? It doesn't do any of those things.

>>377929165
>lorefag
Explain this to me boi>>377906758

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>>377906758
>But why it exploded?
First step in the great plan to rebuilt the Endless empire. Gotta spread the Dust around.
>Who is narrating here?
The Virtual Endless.
>Is this how Dust got thrown around the universe?
Dust existed before this. This was the 2nd seeding.
>Didin't Dust exist before this happend?
It did. This simply increased the concentration of Dust throughout the galaxy beyond a critical tipping point.

>>377929326
>>377929087
I've played both games and you're both fucking delusional

Stellaris' politics and government systems suck (mods help), but ES2 doesn't even hold a fucking candle; ES2 is more reminscent of the completely shitty and retarded systems used in civ, whereas Stellaris is pulling inspiration from paradox's EU games. This isn't even a contest, stellaris politics and AI is shit, but es2 is even more shit.

And the guy originally asked what ES2 did better than Stellaris, and it definitely does not do politics, government, or AI better.

>>377929823
I see.
Is the Concerete Endless the guy from the Academy?
So I assume these guys died? Because I'm not sure if it's the ship that exploded or just WARP.

>>377929823
whycome din't the first seeding didn't kill riftborn

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>>377929873
It's not fucking different to Stellaris one.
The only Paradox Game where Diplomacy was something more than gibsmedats was CK2 and Victoria 2.

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>>377929985
Explosive warp. As in the ship went away (everyone lived) by leaving behind an explosion.
>>377930075
Not concentrated enough, it happened when the Endless empire was young and new. 2nd seeding happened after a long time of war and Dust-production enhancements.

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>>377924563
>>377924121
Bullshit, these were the options of the SoM hero.

>>377930492
reminder your votes count for more if you're more popular on their website

talk about reinforcing a circlejerk

>>377897658
about to start my first game and I don't know what faction to pick please help

>>377930117
You just proved you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about

How about you actually play stellaris instead of shitting on the game knowing nothing about it?

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>>377930636
>if you're more popular on their website
Most G2G points are earned by owning games and unlocking achievements in them. Not quite plebbit reputation circlejerk.

>>377930703
pick treemans

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>>377930735
But I did and it become fucking boring chore that even mods cannot fix.
Stellaris is broken to it's core and not a single DLC will fix shit shitty game.

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>>377930703
I'm amazed we're still using my MS Paint roll chart. Where are the artfags?

>>377930939
ok roll

>>377931008
SCIENCE
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>>377930939
time to roll

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>>377931008
>>377931084
So what do you choose?

>>377931087
>Wonder
>Cravers
NIGGA WHAT

https://youtu.be/49_V8VoZyiA
https://youtu.be/Egn0wWjyyaI
https://youtu.be/mR26iqSvr4g
https://youtu.be/e4DR0gX0TBQ
https://youtu.be/zcS_Lumirkk

>>377931130
Well I guess I'm going with the robots

>>377931193
What am I looking at?

Invasion and curiosity are really badly explained.
I'm. Nearing the end of the tech tree and am stuck on the final United empire mission

>>377931130
GALAXY RINGGGG

>Riftborn ending
well that's some sad shit. their home(dimension?) is fucked and they're not going back home
Guess they got fucked by INTERDIMENSIONAL SPACE AIDS

>>377930859
bullshit, otherwise you'd know there's more to stellaris' politics and diplomacy than the diplomacy window, you fucking retard.

>>377931687
whatever faggot keep defending your shitty game knowing it will be never fixed and you will get jewed with DLCs that will add more tedium rather than fix the game.

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>>377931343
Yeah I didn't got how curiosity worked until my second play, where you needed an exploration ship to orbit a planet with a interest - click on the solar system, then click on the flashy snowflake icon to send a probe into it(if you have probes available)

Is there Emlek Tarosh descendant in this game?
Any Concrete endless?
Any heroes from first games?

>>377932298
ES1 is not canon now.

>>377931942
You can also put the curiosity in the system build queue

>>377931942
Actually, that part is properly explained in the tutorial. I meant more the curiosity level or whatever

>>377931790
How about you get a fucking clue instead of vomiting shit opinions?

Like I said before, Stellaris' politics and diplomacy suck, but ES2 sucks even more. You can't have ever played the games to think they're even comparable. ES2 doesn't even seem to have any kind of casus belli mechanic, the different factions behave erratically at worst and extremely simplified at best. There isn't even a gameplay system to allow for wars to be anything but "win everything/lose everything" - there is no such thing as a vassal, minor factions act like free system expansions or income rather than a force to drive political/diplomatic gameplay or fight over, and nobody in the game gives a fuck what anyone else's culture or general political system is like.

ES2 might as well be a copy-paste of civilization's diplomacy/politics. Taking one of the worst games in the genre and copying one of the worst things in it is just stupid beyond belief.

Stick to shoveling gargantuan cocks up your nostrils m8

>>377932675
You get worked up over stupid shit, take a walk or something instead of chocking on dicks will you.
Your game fucking sucks, deal with it.

>>377932675
There's more to games than endlessly stacking mechanisms you know. Look at ck2 or eu4 for proof

What the fuck is the point of the Skyfin? Just to run around snatching pearls? Because the resource thingy seems utterly useless.

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>>377933316
>Because the resource thingy seems utterly useless.
Nigga, you crazy. That's huge! You don't even need to research the extractor tech, just park a skyfin even over enemy ground and start stealing resources.

>>377932675
>Causus Belli
This shitty mechanic is what ruin Paradox game for me. Only Eurocuck need causus belli to declare war on anyone. The rest of the world just do what they want

>>377933471
Oooh, you can steal resources with it? I had no clue. I thought it just gave approval bonuses to allies.

>>377933784
You can steal resources from uncolonised and colonised regions.

>>377933612
You clearly don't understand what casus belli even means or does

>>377929823
Speaking of the lore itself, the Vodyani are basically a faction of Virtual Endless, correct?

Living mostly in space, their consciousness uploaded into the dust, etc.
Their special resource is about finding other creatures that would join up with them and upload themselves into dust.

>>377897658

>endless space 2

men i play the first and i wanna say dont know wth i fucking do.

>all has a tutorial, but its the same boring and cofusing than mechanics.
>it looks like civ but with wrong ideas
>i delete my own ship, i fucking angry and quit the game
>for some reason i try to get another ship or people or anything, say me "you cant do it"

men the others endless are good or the same shit?