How did a shitty 3DS sequel with 99% reused assets turn out better

>>377872873
Because it doesn't have dating sim shit breaking up the flow of gameplay.

because dagda

>>377872873
but is it worth 40 dollars?

>>377873202
>>377873273
Unironically these

Lots of the best boss fights of the franchise

>>377873325
Yes. Buy it if you haven't and support the only devs making good JRPGs nowadays

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Because it didn't.

It didnt
/thread

I ask myself this every day when I boot up animal crossing new leaf

>>377874324
>/spreading your own toast

>>377874324
>>377874208
Except it did

>>377874403
>New Leaf
>good

>>377875389
I never said it was good, I said it was better than persona 5

>>377875389
>good

who are you quoting, newfag? lurk two years before posting.

>SMTcucks have nothing to say other than "muh Dagda" and Dagdaposting

>>377872873

>shitty

fuck i was about to start this since i'm almost done with SMT IV. what's wrong with it?

>>377875618
It's a turn-based RPG

It didnt.

>>377875618
The characters all feel like they came straight out of a shounen anime. However, dagda is great, and the gameplay is still good. The new music is also fucking sweet (divine powers battle theme).

>>377875618
Plot might be too animey, but gameplay is the best in the series.

>>377875425
But it isn't

>>377876036
ok

This "SMT versus Persona" war must be the most retarded shit ever.
Its like if Paper Mario fans started shit with Super Mario Bros fans.
Its the same fucking series.

>>377875618
It's story is so embarrassingly desperate to be Persona I could barely make it through it. I also don't get the love for Dagda, he is a poorly written character with stupid and generic motives who I imagine people only like due to the strength of his Irish accent and voicing a lot of complaints the player will probably have about the friendship power this game forces down your throat. That said the combat is great except for the assist mechanic but most of the bosses outside of the first phase of the last one and the Fiends are boring as all fuck. Seriously I can't even remember most of them and I just played the game last week. Dungeons are ok though but the last dungeon is probably one of the worst I've ever slogged through in any game.

>>377876387
And just like Persona Paper Mario has been better than the main series for years.

>>377876387
It's more like if Paper Mario became several times more popular than Mario Bros. and then they started making fewer and fewer Mario Bros games and the ones they did make incorporated more and more elements of Paper until you barely even recognize it anymore while at the same time being made by increasingly incompetent teams.

>>377876562
>2017
>Paper Mario
>Slow ass combat
>Card may may
No way famalam

Apocalypse/Final is not better than SMT IV

>>377876667
Except in SMT case there has been a dozen spinoffs besides Persona that plays exactly like the main SMT games, like DDS, Devil Survivor, Raidou, etc.

>>377872873
Probably because Final wasn't rushed like P5 was. The P-studio is incompetent at making games.

>>377873325
>40 dollars

Whoa there buddy, it's 50, don't forget the Atlus tax.

>>377872873

I did like the demon neutral faction being evil hinduism as opposed to evil christianity for law and straight objectivism for chaos.

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>>377876929
>desu
>raidou
>plays exactly like main SMT

>>377876970
>took like 9 years
>rushed

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>>377872873
>SMTfags unironically believe this

>>377877210
It started development after Catherine was finished (2011) and the 2014 version of 5 is not the same as the 2016 version. The ending was mashed together because they were running out of time.

>>377877032
I got it new 2 days ago on Amazon for $40.

>>377877656
No it wasn't you fucking autist.

>>377877751
Oh so you haven't play it.

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>paying SP for physical skills

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>>377875618
The gameplay is vastly improved. Demons have skill biases so not all Magic demons are basically the same. Some demons are better with certain elements and others with status effects and shit. Smirk is also not as fucking shitty, in that instead of making it impossible to hit somebody with smirk, they simply can't be crit/weakness'd. certain attacks have smirk modifiers, an example being Hama/Mudo do regular damage now but when smirked, can instant kill.

the premise of the plot is pretty cool with a fourth party intervening but having the whole power of friendship thing is weird. Thankfully you can kill them all if you so please.

>>377877463
>oh Ryujii-san... hahaha
>Futa so cute
>Kamoshida did nothing wrong!!
Persona players are absolute wasteoids with nothing better to do than pretending they were functional people in high school. SMT is for adults

>>377878162
Yep the series were you play as a super powered teenager and team up with a bunch of demons to kill god is the height of maturity.

>>377878403
Did you just described Persona 4? :thinking:

>>377878403
You're right, I'd much rather stick to hanging out in Class Room D with the rest of my fellow jap teens. Point taken

>SMTfags so mad that they have to start shit on an inferiority complex

>>377878525
No

>Strange Journey
>We want the John Carpenter audience
>SMT4
>We want the Attack on Titan audience
>Apocalypse
>We want the Tokyo Ghoul audience

>>377876929
Im playing raidou right now. It's a terrible action game more like the Tales of series. The only similarities between SMT and Raidou is the fact that it sucks

>>377878993
>Kaneki got laid last chapter
>Nanashi's fucking a chick to make a new race of humanity
What's your excuse /v/

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You get to kill your "friends"

>>377879128
Because its not worth it

>>377879067
>Raidou
>bad
The setting and atmosphere alone carry it despite the somewhat mediocre gameplay.

>>377879335
>tfw thanking Gaston

Gaston and Navarre are the only good ones out of that party

>>377872873
Better pacing, bosses and it has Demon Affinities.
Also FUCKING FUSION SEARCH GODDAMN THIS WAS IN THE GAME SINCE IV WHY THE FUCK DOESN'T P5 HAVE IT

How the FUCK do I beat YHVH

>>377879986
P5 don't deserve it.

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I want to play this so bad but my autism is making me finish all endings in IV first

>>377880047
With a good party with good skills and a lot of patience.

You can do it anon Gg.

>>377880047
Dekaja/Dekunda and Magaon are your friends
Never Luster more than twice
Don't bother using Debilitate
If you can, abuse Hoy Boy and Antichthon when you open up a weakness to make YHVH waste his last press turn on Infinite Power

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>>377873325
no. its fucking easier than persona 5. I'm not even fucking baiting. even on the apocalypse mode its a joke

>save anywhere
>no time constraints
>items that permanently increases your stats and as well as your party including your guest
>can't run away but can negotiate your way out of the battle
>can smirk on boss battles giving you freebie turns
>you have 30+ demons in your inventory you can switch out instead of what about 8 in p5..

SMT4 was a mistake.

>Want to do the anarchy ending cause it's the most interesting "true" end
>But all the "mean" responses to party members are edgy shit. Not really independent, just asshole-ish.
>Have to be a dick and go this ending or be normal/nice and get your items stomped out

I get why the penalty's there, just wish there was some path to just disagreeing with your party a lot rather than outright acting like a shit. Or is that what it's doing when it does the "You want to say X, but Dagda makes you do a thing" choices?
Small complaint but it irks me.

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>>377879940

>>377880502
Don't forget that they made the continue option even lazier

>SMT4
>if you die but want to continue you have to pay an increasing amount of Macca for every subsequent death

>SMT4A
>Dagda just revives you anyways before the last battle you had

>>377880623
literally the only party member I actually felt bad about killing
sadly Asahi was legitimately more useful because she offers free heals and press turns, so I always run with her whenever she's available

>>377880557
Dagda only controls your body when you act like a bondfag, he can't make you mute or say something different than what you want to really say.

>>377880756
>Asahi was legitimately more useful
>Can't control her demons when you need it the most

no, she can rot in hell.

>>377880756
Navarre was the only useful partner, Asahi become useless once you get a healing demon.

>>377875618

The gameplay for the most part with Dagda putting a new angle at the whole law/neutral/chaos triforce.

The plot itself is quite shitty, but Dagda as your daddy and Krishna as your enemy makes the game bearable

>>377880926
which is more effective?
a) having an entire team of Charge/Concentrate with status moves sprinkled in-between, with fuckhuge HP and balanced-out MP, as well as billions of damage worth of Pleromas
b) designated healer that does sub-par damage because you needed healing skills in place of Pleromas, and is most likely to die because the most effective healers generally have low health

>>377880983
Polytheistic gods was an interesting fourth party. I recall a "deep neutral" path being advertised to team up with the divine powers but it never happened.

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Why does a 3DS SRPG with generic anime artstyle that nobody ask for end up being better than Persona 5?

>>377880502
I don't really like SMTIV and IV:A

yeah gameplay wise they are improvements over the older games, but all the dungeons are just forgettable backstreets except for the final ones, where they are actual dungeons.

the most notable thing about the games is just the sheer amount of demons in them, but they are too easy for it to really matter that you have so many options, though it was addicting to just sit around and fuse shit for hours to catch em all

I get that the SMT series has always had ways to cheese it up too, like nerve bullets and shit in the early games, but having shit like party MP regen so you just spam skills is actually insulting, it completely removes any prep needed for the dungeons, and as a result it makes your basic sword and gun attacks pointless since there is no need to pace yourself over a dungeon as to not burn all your resources, and also because of this is basically a waste of money and effort to EVER buy weapons, since they don't even have a marginal impact on skill damage

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>>377872873
>Just beat Dagda, because even though I'm not a huge fan of the friendship power bullshit, I'm even less of a fan of him being an edgy cunt
>Give Asahi her goggles back after she gets brought back to life
>The game gets stuck on her stupid smiling face as sappy music is playing on repeat in the background

They really want me to do the massacre route, don't they?

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>>377881340
Devil Survivor is great but then 2 has to muck it up with Persona-lite aspects and wanting the Evangelion audience

>>377880502
>easier than the game that becomes P2IS with a multi-hit Phys skill

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>>377881495
DANCE OR DIE

>>377880502
Persona 5 is easier than Persona 4 & 3, which in turn are way easier than SMT4A.

>>377872873
4:A is still shit tho.
Don't act like 4:A is free from the Persona taint either, it isn't some 'counterpoint' to P5. It's P5 but half assed, and with a few better voice actors.
Odin was 10/10.

>>377881663
> It's P5 but half assed

What did he mean by this?

>>377881663
So Kamoshida was also 10/10?

>>377872873
It didn't

>>377880238
Only relevant ending to Apocalypse is Neutral.

>>377881595
>anon outlines why he thinks SMT4A is easy
>nah bro it's harder because persona is easier

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IV:A is marginally harder than P5 but without the appeal P5 has of highschool sim. It's a deluded potato god trying to fight YHVH with a fucking light weakness, edgy shit, or grimy bootleg Persona shit.

IV was shit too though.

The thing you have to REALLY remember though is that Persona 1-5 are all more tonally consistent than whatever the fuck has "SMT" slapped on it.

Reminder that all of the following are "SMT"
>Nocturne
>Strange Journey
>Raidou
>Digital Devil Saga
>Soul Hackers
>IF...
>regular old SMT 1 and 2
It's baffling to even compare some of these games. Persona at least has some bare minimum inter-game continuity and familiarity in each title. SMT might as well just mean "The other style" at this rate.

>>377882217
P2 to P4 has SMT slapped on it

>>377873202
lol get lost edgy kid

>>377882217
There was no boss battles that were hard IV:A. you had to be on apocalypse difficulty to get a since of challenge. On IV the difficulty was front loaded and just stops at tokyo

>>377882513
EP-P3 is when the series was more recognized as Persona than it was another SMT spin-off, though. They had a distinct style and different gameplay from most of the spin-offs given to us from main SMT.

>>377872873
SMT4A is a very fucking good game so regardless of P5 also being solid its not hard to see it as better unless you want waifu bullshit. SMT4A has real dungeons and a fucking amazing array of everything throughout the series.

I think it would be perfect even for a handheld with a defensive stat. Above normal mode so many fucking end game bosses are NUKE THEM or GET NUKED! Doping is all you can do because you're as vunerable to get smashed as you were at level 1.

I mean i guess this does force you to master bosses with perfect strategies. But sometimes its also fun to pick up your shit with a perfect strategy just making good decisions like i bounced back alot in Nocturne/DDS doing so.


Its a fucking great game with great music and feels SMT if you do it the Dagda way and Persona esque if you do it the friends way. It caters to everyone without losing its organic feel.

>>377882647
I said it was marginally harder than P5. P5 has Shido and Reaper to its name, but 2loli wasn't even hard so much as an autism endurance test.

>>377882708
>losing its organic feel
The atmosphere was somehow worse than IV. I still dig the settings but IV:A is worse at handling it

>>377882647
Same as P5. Or just basically anything made after SJ

>>377880502
>Save anywhere
Doesn't matter when the harder bosses are still hard regardless on Apoc mode which you obviously didn't fucking play probably played normal if you played it at all
>No time constraint
Good its bullshit and makes Persona a drag. Not that you fucking need it in the first place. Do dungeons in 1 day on hard because its still fucking easy and just spend the rest of the days upping confidants. The dungeons in P5 are even easier then SMT4A ones
>Perm stat ups
No defense stat so it hardly matters. Only if you buy that item DLC and grind till youre 9999 or some shit. Its not like P5 isn't easy as shit just get Abaddon and Hassopaaaaaaa niggers and focus attack everything to death. Early game is just swift strike over and over
>This is a problem
You're an idiot
>Can smirk on bosses
In turn later bosses do the same and on War and above have insane RNG to compensate so every turn matters
>Variety of demons
Again don't matter if you get shafted by bosses.

P5 Dungeons are pathetic and so are most of the SMT4A ones. But as for bosses SMT4A has it beat by miles. P5 bosses are almost all flatout set piece material besides the last/Madarame.

>>377880672
>SMT4
>if you die but want to continue you have to sit through several minutes of dialogue and then you can just pay in Play Coins instead of Macca which costs the player almost nothing
>the dialogue is so long that it's easier to just close out of the game entirely

>SMT4A
>daddy Dagda skips this bullshit entirely

>>377882202
Hes flat out wrong. Hes say Apoc mode is easier then P5 because of dungeons/save anywhere. That doesn't make the bosses easier and Krishna/Last dungeon are harder then any P5 palace regardless of still being easy.

SMT4A still requires prep for alot of things just not dungeon crawling itself. But that anon is dumb fucking retard if he thinks P3-5 aren't as braindead easy in that regard.

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can you get best boys armor in IV:A?

>>377882217
First three Persona games are completely different from the later three games. What are you talking about?

And let's not pretend that Persona isn't Megaten.

>>377882513
Wrong. Persona 1 was "Megami Ibunroku Persona", but Persona 2 IS and Persona 2 EP are just "Persona 2 Tsumi" and "Persona 2 Batsu". All games are recognized as "Megaten" though.

>>377882217
>DDS has no style of its own

What? It has demons nowhere else in the series like Meganada as well as several custom ones like the tribe leaders and Heats boss fight in DDS2.

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>>377883016
>early game P5
Tis good

>>377881351
Honestly, I feel like alot of the stuff you said omits many of the games improvement. Guns and swords can be incredibly useful. i don't know what i would do without them some of the times.

>>377873325
It was worth it for the pins alone put those bitches on my jacket soon as I got them

>>377882647
>Not hard boss battles.

Lol War Vishnu Flynn phase 1 , YHVH phase 2 and Stephen are all harder then anything in the Persona series. Also boat nigger required so much fucking prep on war or above because of how easily he could nuke you above normal mode. I swear on higher difficulties he easily had the highest crit rate in the game with his phy skills.

>>377883189
Yes.

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>>377883248
That's exactly the opposite of what I'm saying, can't you read? Persona is the only "Megaten" shit that has as much consistency game to game as it does. "SMT" has everything under the sun from DDS to Raidou, which all follow similar themes but overall insanely different worlds and tones. In fact, Raidou is probably way more optimistic than most of the "SMT" games on that list anyway, so moot point on the "other style" of themes thing.

>>377883225
I'm talking the West. In Japan DDS is just DDS: Avatar Tuner, only the first Devil Summoner has SMT on it and Devil Survivor is also Megami Ibunroku

>>377883267
Only hard part about early game P5 which is specific to hard or above and is just the first 1/3 palaces is the fucking archangel with vajra IM GONNA CRIT AND DO IT AGAIN! And the Onis because of rampage. And like you posted completely negates the second at that point.

>>377882217
>Doesn't know which games are mainline, which are not

>Nocturne
It's an odd duck, granted
>SJ
Spin off, not mainline
>DDS
Spin off, not mainline
>Soul Hackers
Reasonably consistent with Devil Summoner, because it too is a Devil Summoner game
>IF...
Spin off, not mainline


Persona is the only real franchise that ever came out of the MegaTen brand.
Everything else is a rare mainline game that granted has little connection to previous mainline games, or a complete spin off.

But like, have you never played a Final Fantasy game? They have shit to do with each other, aside from direct sequels, and rely on reused tropes and assets to have a connective through-line as a franchise.

>>377882217
I hate this about SMT, its basically dynasty warriors at this point. They keep telling the same story over and over, and it makes sense for dynasty warriors since thats the point, just with mechanical updates, but in SMT its kinda dumb when literally every single entry in your mainline franchise is just the same story of same tokyo with same demons, with the only difference being MAYBE you fight god in one of the games and the characters are different

I felt that nocturne was a natural progression for the series, because even though it still tells the post apocalyptic tokyo story, the conception is a completely different angle that at least makes the game worth playing, and to see a desolate tokyo filled with only demons is better than le ebin edgy grimdark survival of the fittest humans are the worst as always xD world

>>377883442
Who the fuck cares about the names? It's still part of Megaten, it doesn't change anything.

>>377873202
Gameplay is literally the worst part of turn-based RPGs.

>>377883525
Because that retard >>377882217
calls everything but Persona a SMT game while they all get their proper treatment as independent shit in their own series

>>377883425
>"SMT" has everything under the sun from DDS to Raidou
DDS and Raidou aren't SMT, they're spinoffs like Persona and DeSu

>>377883016
>on Apoc mode which you obviously didn't fucking play probably played normal if you played it at all
>didn't read "can't run away but can negotiate your way out of the battle" that happens in apocalypse

opinion discarded

>>377883632
It's a fucking Nocturnebabby, I'm not sure if they're actually that retarded or just shitposting.

>>377883542
It must be fun to be retarded. Good turn based games reward preparation and good decision making. As long as they're challenging enough to force both on the player. Also 100x better then action rpgs that are just averagely abominations in every regard gameplay wise.

Action rpgs are loved by normies because they
1. Take none of the good decision making a good turn based rpg does
2. Take none of the execution/decision making a full on action game does
3. Are usually just mashing 1 button simulators.

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>>377883425
>Stage plays of video games

>>377881238
c) I do all the damage while my demons buff me and debuff the enemy while my designated healer stays alive because I don't suck and know how to stay alive

>>377883701
Doesn't change everything else he said from being right to wrong. You have your head way up your ass if you think P5 boss battles are 1/10th as hard as SMT4A ones on war or above. The sad part is most SMT4A bosses aren't hard its just P5 like other persona games has bosses that feel like they're set pieces where you have to fuck up bad just to die.

How to design a P5 boss that isn't Madarame/Twins
1. Give it a easy ass two-three move pattern that is usually 1 single target/2 AOEs
2. Give it a all hitting attack if you don't guard you die to that tells you when to guard with some mechanic

All of them are like this besides those two. Oh also stupid set piece HEY GO USE X AND STUN THEM! The last boss also is okay but hes pretty much a rip off of Shadow Hearts Covenants boss gameplay wise.

>>377883746
The "good" gameplay only happens on boss fights. 99% of the other time it's just repetitive and boring. Killing the same enemies over and over with the exact same startegies and for very little reward. Explain to me how it's fun or challenging to kill an enemy you have already killed 10000 times before in a turn based combat system.

>>377883425
>Raidou
Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs X, featuring Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV doing occultic investigations in both games

>DDS
Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner 1/2, featuring a gang of half-demons in a weird ass post-apoc world in both games

Just like from P2 to P4 Raidou and DDS only got SMT slapped on it in the West

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>>377883425
>SMT WILL NEVER EVER have adaptions this kino
IT'S NOT FAIR

>>377883683
>>377883632
>Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
>Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha
Gee

>>377883464
I'm not calling them all the same main timeline, I'm calling them all "SMT" and "Persona" games. SMT is slapped on any million variations of games that re-use assets or gameplay similarities from what is traditionally considered SMT. The phrase Shin Megami Tensei has a lot of reduced meaning when 1 has no true relation to 3, and 1 and 3 have no true relations to 4 and 4A. Because of how there's a million different "Shin Megami Tensei: X" games that are all different compared to 5 straight, not counting the spin offs, Persona games, you see part of why people settle into just playing Persona.

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>Beat IV. Loved it.
>Beat IVA. Loved it.
>Try out DeSu Overclocked.
>The voice acting and battle music is so fucking terrible I immediately shut off my 3DS.

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>>377884182

>>377884138
You could say the same for non boss battles in most games. They're filler and somewhat satisfying for awhile but after that not so much. Only in good shooters/action games is it usually fun to continue to destroy shitters. Atleast in SMT they serve a purpose so you can recruit/fuse using them.

Also the game is riddled with boss battles every 10-15 minutes or so outside of maybe the first few hours with only a few so your point is moot.

Try to convince me that Nocturne didn't have the best bosses.

Turn based RPG bosses are inherently stale unless you add some outside gimmick that requires you think beyond the battle system.
Megaten has a decent battle system, but even it gets fucking stale once you're competently end-game, and then usually the challenge is just from inflating the numbers.

4:A is a joke about this, but granted that is just reserved for the Twisted Tokyo "post-game" which is pay to win because you not only have to buy the DLC to access it, but also the dlcs to grind out your stats and your demon's stats so you can inflate your own numbers.

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does SMT even have a time line? I know 1 and 2 are connected, and the hero from SMT1 getting every ending is actually canon, so does that mean SMT 3 and 4 are split off from the other endings the hero got?

>>377884182
>Shin Megami Tensei: Persona
>Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 2 Innocent Sin
>Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 2 Eternal Punishment
>Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
>Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES
>Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 Portable
>Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4

Gee

>>377884182
Brand does not equal franchise.
Blame Atlus USA for fucking that up.
Also, you;re a dummy for being unable to comprehend this.
Related products are sold under a consistent brand name, but that doesn't mean that they literally are ALL the same product line.

>>377872873
>why does a subjective opinion from someone preferring more straight up JRPGs than sims think this
>why did a ToX2 designed to build on what you failed in the first game on the same engine feel more robust than the first time developing a new one
Really gets my magnetite pressing.
>>377880238
Just finish neutral and chaos NG+. It ain't worth it for IVA bonuses

>>377884330
SMT 3 builds off of the ending of SMT2, because it references Aleph turning against YHVH

SMTIV comes after, because Stephen yanks all the others from their own universes to fight him.

In short, all endings of all the games are canon because of the multiverse theory, just some games have follow ups/ripples in another universe.

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>>377884330
Here you go, also SMT1's canon ending is Neutral which isn't necessarily "Every ending"

3/Nocturne is basically confirmed to be TDE, and 4 and 4A have Flynn going the route of Neutral too.

>>377884306
Nocturne had a very good atmosphere with the bosses, at the very least. A stronk demon getting pissed while the short little jingle that always plays before a bossfight starts is hard to replicate in other games.

>>377884391
The key is that after it got big, it was marketed as Persona, even if it was still Shin Megami Tensei: Persona.

>>377883928
>you literally hit weakness of a boss and get a free action. with AI so dumb they can throw the entire battle with 1 action per turn with a miss
>there is even spells that fucking deal damage and debuff.
>You can have more than 8+ actions per turn in this game.
>your guest can come back in battle to take another hit

>>377884516
>still responds to a nonexistent argument and not the one presented
time to leave

>>377884725
Okay but here's the thing: it was always Persona in Japan, DDS was always DDS in Japan, Raidou was always Raidou in Japan and you're the kind of annoying cunt who probably used to argue that Persona is SMT because of Atlus USA slapping it onto the titles.

>>377884698
SJ also references either II or Nocturne, because in NG+ you help YHVH get back his power after he got beaten up by someone

>>377884792
>Localizer slaps a name on a game in order to build a brand
>Autists think the games are all canon together, and not just... similar games made by the same dev that recycle concepts and art assets

>>377884929
>argue that part of the failure of the brand is trying to call different games under the same brand
>get told I'm actually arguing they're all in the same timeline in the same universe
/v/ is really enlightening

>>377884187
"Yoohoo" is fucking disgusting, I downloaded the undub immediately.

>>377884725
>Not linking P3P and Catherine together

>>377884158
>Mainline SMT will never get a anime/movie adaption

They would just butcher it like they did with the Devil Survivor anime, if Apocalypse had an anime it would be full of cliche anime moments and have Nanshi be a bondsfag.

>>377883483
SJ was interesting in that angle of exploring a new Unknown world until it got preachy.

>>377883425
Broadway on suicide watch

>>377884775
Yeah but teammates tanking for you and everything about Futaba are fair game amirite

I also miss where IV:A jank a game mechanic from you for boss fights to make them even moderately challenging

>>377885158
If you think that was bad should hear Dolly's voice.

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the quality of megaten games can be calculated by counting how many genitals there is

>>377884904
Yeah, I was just going by numbered entries, but there is a ton of small holdovers between games. I tend to just not think about them, though. I think the games work best when they're standing on their own. I really disliked Apocalypse's story for that reason.

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>>377872873
By having funner gameplay and better waifus, It's not that hard to grasp

>>377885973
Toki is more like a cockslut than a waifu though.

>>377885973
>post the worst girl in anything that has Kaneko designs

>>377886113
Who cares if your waifu is a cock slut as long as it's only with you it's all good. Tha'ts like saying sluts are a bad thing when they are only slutty for you.

>>377877463
>that yusuke
He's secretly SMTfag

>>377885879
What did he mean by this?

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>its a level 90 mage demon that has 400 less hp than a level 50 non mage demon in a game with no defense episode

>>377885973
>unironically liking Twokiko
she's alright

>>377886354
>not going World of MAG for MC

>>377886342
He has Keneko eyes nigga

>>377886473
>not going full World of STR with all your demons and eschew the use of MAG altogether and fill the void with Items instead

>>377886473
You'd go a world of FAG if you could lol

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>>377886473
>>377886603
>Not going World of DEX

>there are people in this very thread that don't throw it all into luck
how to spot a shitter

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>>377886127
But Atlus always without fail places the best girl in a bodysuit to make it crystal clear for us who the top waifu is going to be from the get go. It's a staple of theirs
Nemissa, Mitsuru and Toki If the trend keeps up then Alex is going to be a pretty cool dude too.

>>377886909
Apocalypse is probably the only game where I've put this many points into luck.

>>377872873
I'm playing through SMTIVA right now, Asahi just lost her dad. How far am I from the end?
Also, I like SMTIVA's gameplay more but story and characters of original SMTIV were much more serious and less anime-ish which appealed to me a lot. A shame that they went with this direction here.

Decided to roll magic build this time and holy shit does it destroy everything in my way so far.

>>377877656
Citation? Maybe they're just bad at telling mysteries and need to fucking stop like 9 years ago.

>>377887016
magic is good for shit stomping random encounters, especially with almighty shit, but it kinda sucks against bosses since all the boss killing multi hit skills are phys

>>377878787
one of these looks like an obnoxious meme game, the other looks like SMT

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>>377887016
SMT IV's main cast is just dumb though

>Tayama farming humans is FUCKING INHUMAN but demons farming humans is WORLD OF STR MAN RADICAL
>Tokyo is a shithole and Mikado is more orderly and safe so let's NUKE TOKYO ALTOGETHER

>>377872873
It didn't. Both SMTIV games are terrible.

>>377886708
Going though Apocalype Flynn seriously got cucked hard. Because of some kids poking their noses into something they shouldn't have a new faction was created and because those same kids just had to try and intervene again by showing up to the initial confrontation he had to surrender to keep on of them from getting killed, lost his chance to slay Lucifer and Merkabuh while a piss weak imposter drove the image he built up through the mud for most of the game all the while being crucified the entire time. He also had to settle for being the second fiddle in the end if even that, considering the other options were to be forgotten, abandoned while probably labeled as a coward thanks to Sheesha if Nanashi chose the early bad ends or become a puppet for eternity if he chose massacre.

>>377887138
I've found almighty's shit since it doesn't earn you press turns. Better roll with all the elements you can get and nuke 'em in the weaknesses. But this idea sucks a bit because in this game they decided to timelock spellslots away real hard.

>>377887227
>Tayama farming humans is FUCKING INHUMAN but demons farming humans is WORLD OF STR MAN RADICAL
It does sound silly if you put it this way but think of it differently. Humans are supposed to be equal to each other at the time of turmoil, or at least not abuse each other, such behavior is seen by others as what would a scum do. But demons are on the whole other spectrum, so if it was demons abusing humans it'd be indeed the exploitation of the weaker. Besides, Tayama basically trepanated humans and threw them away while in the world of chaos humans would be more like recharging batteries. Still weak and all that but not being made into drooling handicaps. The contrast between these two ways of life is pretty striking IMO.
>Tokyo is a shithole and Mikado is more orderly and safe so let's NUKE TOKYO ALTOGETHER
Can't reason with religious fanatics. Besides, Mikado if it was found out widely by Tokyo residents would be flooded over by refugees, like Europe does right now. So I see no logical problem with angels willing to get rid of "impure" Tokyo and build a sheltered community of abiding sheep.

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>>377884182
Oh my god. Dude, open a wiki at least once.

>>377872873
Nobody even bought this game

If you aren't doing a STR build you aren't playing the game right

>>377887768
>have a 155 points into strength
>still use magic 90% of the time

>>377887227
>dumb
>I think it's dumb
>my opinions are facts

>Alignments cause Jon and Walter to split due to ideals which leads to fucking up Tokyo
>still buddy buddy in the expanse despite this and makes the lock jarring
This is stupid

>>377887852
Use magic items for weakness advantage. STR deals way more damage and can boaster crits.

>>377887768
Don't all physical skills scale better with DEX?

>>377887975
So I've heard, but I can't stop using magic for those sweet extra turns. I even have fucking charge and Berserker God at this point.

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I like them both.

>>377888224
Me too, if there's a game we have to shit on I'd choose Persona 3.

>>377888280
>P3
>not P4

Fucking P4/5babbies can't into tactics

>>377888217
I used Mortal Jihad. Resists? Doesn't matter, I'll still crit them.

>>377878787
I hate the fucking UI for P5 so much, especially now Sen 3 is using the same layout

>>377888373
>Miss

>>377886950
Checks out

>>377888463
>missing
>with buffs and debuffs

>>377880502
>no time constraints
Thanks for letting me know early on in your post that you are a shit eating retard, I was going to waste another 10 seconds finishing it but I'm glad you warned me that it wouldn't be worth my time.

>>377887184
>SMT
>not meme series

>>377888046
Only in IV, they fixed it on Apocalypse.

>Minotaur smirks...

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>>377890090
How do you like dem debuffs senpai?

>>377880921
How far in are you again?

>>377890184
And here I thought I could finally get rid of Alice after that scumbag Quetzalcoatl.

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>>377890184
>warding shout

>>377888340
what did he mean by this?

>>377890320
>Enduring Cheer

>>377888280
>>377888340
No, DDS

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>>377890408
>DDS
>worse than Persona

Get your shit taste out of here

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>>377890408
>DDS
>bad
I too once put the games off because of no demon fusion, but I regretted doing so very shortly after starting the game.

>>377887227
>that tfw you discover Tamaya was a full blown pedo
Man I loved reverse hills

>>377891627
I played 15-20 hours before dropping it. The game is incredibly bland.

>>377890313
>Quetzalcoatl
Lolwhat? How was he of a problem?
A simple buff-up-then-stomp strat worked on him perfectly.

>>377890320
Worst partner, only pull him out when I get my demons blown away

>>377892315
I don't know. For some reason he just kept fucking destroying me doing 600 damage with every one of this moves, him resisting fucking everything wasn't helping me either.

I forgot this existed

Thanks OP, just got a copy.

>>377892549
I wiped once on him but found out that he's weak to Dark spells in the process. That's what I pummelled him with pressing turns to infinity and beyond, as well as scoring assist gauge free extra turns.

>>377891938
>implying Tamaya wasn't just humoring the kid that wanted to marry him

He's only into their brains

>>377893140
>imblying he didn't tell her those things to have her cunny

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>its a level 60 alice has a higher magic stat than a level 92 mot episode

I just killed all my friends.

Thanks Irish Daddy.

This game is great.

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>>377893298
Does this look like some fag on /l/ to you?

I'm playing 4 right now and I'm in Tokyo. I killed some ghost horse thing at a park but I have no idea where I need to go.
Please help.

>>377894024
Go out near a river

>>377893892
Yes

>>377875549
>personacucks have nothing to say other than "muh waifu" and waifuposting

I want to kill my F-R-I-E-N-D-S because they are shoehorned obnoxious cast thrown in for personatards but also do not want to kill them because Dagda's a cunt and I don't want to feel like an edgy twat. There is no way to win this, right?

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>>377895951
what a pussy

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>>377873273
Dagda was such a killjoy, but the waifu harem was even worse.
Beside these things it was a fucking cool game, but SMT IV is still superior.

How is SMTIV:A compared to SMTIV? I really liked SMTIV but I only did one ending and I don't remember a whole lot. Apoc looks like a big rehash. How different is it?

>>377896334
It's a sequel
Demon designs are mostly fixed
Gameplay is vastly superior
Atmosphere is a bit worse
Story is good at times

>>377872873
But it didn't, the story and characters are terrible and the gameplay broke more things than they fixed

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>>377896269
Absolutely agree. SMTIVA feels less mature somehow. Like the devs toned down all the "grayness" in order to be sure all the points story and characters make were as direct and obvious to anyone.

>>377896334
Same world, better gameplay, worse story. The setting is a "what if a random guy got caught as a pawn in the game of Gods and made shit go down the drain hard just as Flynn went on to challenge Lucifer and Merkabah"?

>>377896334
Mostly the same game but better gameplay and worse story/characters. Might as well play it if you're in this deep.

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>>377896118

>>377896534
Exactly.
IV did a better job, creating a lot of atmosphere and mystery about the whole world.
The part after the reactor adds even more to the game lore.
IV A is good but the overall feeling is that you are having fun with your friends in a post-apocalyptic world where a war is being fought. Some parts have the right tone, like when you go to fight for the reactor and battle against Merkabah and Lucifer, or when you reach the Non Euclideian Space , but aside from the main points of the plot, the game feels a bit too "happy".

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If I went Gun build, what should my stat distribution like? 3 dex 1 agi 1 luk per level up?

>>377896424
This.
The Tokyo Map is easier to read and understand where the fuck you are.
Gameplay is greatly improved.
The only fatal flaw is the atmosphere. Persona cleary bled into the mainline.

>>377897264
SMTIV was my first SMT ever and I didn't even know anything about series other than they were postapoc pokemon with creatures of different mythologies. Didn't know the lore, didn't know about Tokyo, didn't know anything. And the game blew my mind real hard multiple times, first when I came out of Naraku into Tokyo, this was hands down the most WAOW moment of it, second when the secret of Red Pills sprung up (like the game wasn't grim enough already), and third when the White did timetravel what-if shenanigans. Came in for mechanics, stayed for story.

A-a-and then SMTIVA came and blew all that away. At least gameplay is still tight and addictive as fuck. I starved for more of those GBA-DS-era RPGs with tons of grinding, tons of content, tons of options within an RPG system. For some reason 3DS seems to lack this kind of games even though GBA and DS were thriving with it.

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>>377898086
blasted tokyo was mind-shattering to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPYTkFqH6w

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>>377898295
>tfw the battle theme goes back to the shitty one after Blasted and Infernal Tokyo

I love how every single battle theme in the game baring one of them is good.

Speaking of smt4, am i retarded for going full dex? I feel like im retarded and should have gone mag and exploited weaknesses.

>>377898823
Dex is good for killing bosses

>>377898823
Nope.

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Why are SMTfags incapable of making a SMT thread without shitting on Persona? Is it the only way you will get replies?

>>377898972
>any thread on /v/
>exist without bait

>>377898972
Personas are not real SMT! They should play a real game - like Nocturne.

>>377899063
At least the bait is around 10% of posts amount or even less. On my country's native board /v/ it's around 80%. You actually are expected to shitpost, be aggressive to someone else and bait to get replies there. So cherish what you have.

>>377899114
Or Strange Journey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGORm3P0F1w

>>377898823
GUN is pretty good. Desperate hit is really strong so try to pick it up.

>>377899246
I prefer boss and challenge boss themes.

>>377899310
Casual scum.

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>>377897914
I hate this Persona bogeyman bullshit.

The majority of SMT games aren't like Nocturne. They have a message of hope, they have themes of friendship, they have blatant fucking waifus by your side the whole time, they have upbeat moments mixed in.

Stop being so fucking terrified of nearly fucking universal parts of most RPGs like character development or arcs appearing in SMT games.

>>377887227
>tokyo and it's disgusting people hear about your glorious empire atop the dome and want to move up because they live in a shithole
>go down into the center and set off a nuke
Sounds consistent to me.

Give me one reason the angels shouldn't wipe tokyo out. If anything they should've done it the first time a scouting party made it to the top of the dome instead of waiting for the Samurai to find their way down there.

>>377897914
>The Tokyo Map is easier to read and understand where the fuck you are.
Playing smt4 right now. I have no fucking clue where im going or where i can go and why can't i just cross railroad. I think there is supposed to be second hunter ass ssociation but i can't understand where do i need to go, maybe i somehow went past it.

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>thinking about playing P4 or 5 while waiting for a new SMT game
>stopped playing both of them on the first dungeon

>>377899936
I'm pretty sure themes of friendship aren't there in I, II and IV. In I you have to kill at least one of your old comrades. You are right about the designated waifu though

>>377900186
>implying that first 5 hours of every smt game is not a slog of a tutorial.

>>377900237
I never said that, the reason I stopped was due to the characters for the most part with some issue with the combat/day system.

>>377872873
Hahahahahaha... No. Persona sold better than the other and even looks better. I own both of these. Your taste is just shit that's all.

>>377900289
What's the problem with characters?

I constantly hear shit like "they introduced this guy but i don't really care about him" and "i didn't care about X untill i spent more time with him" - nigger, that's how it works, you don't get invested in your party members in the first 5 minutes of you meeting them.

>>377900479
In P5 the two first characters that join me just seem terrible, from design, voice, and motives while in both games I hate the mascots.

>>377900609
P4 is worse in that regard though. Ryuji and Morgana are annoying at times but Yosuke and Teddie take it to another level

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>>377900416
>sold better
>even looks better
Is that all? What kind of argument is that?

>>377899936
Sorry faggot, you don't get the point.
I know that there's a message of hope and all, but to make the bright parts shine more you need some dark atmosphere. SMT IV A lacks that dark moments that give more value to the brighter ones.

>>377898086
I agree so much with you.

>>377898295
And what about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ipmyhggn8
It was really good to find a remix of the Law theme from smt, and it fills that place with the hope for a future, even if the outside world is destroyed.
About the Battle themes, they were rad as fuck.

>>377887227
The difference between what Tayama and Kenji did lies in choice. Those kids were kidnapped and being raised to be farmed while in Infernal Tokyo you had a choice to either become a demonoid or a nourisher.

>>377900235
Yes, you kill a former friend. It wasn't some shitty, ironic meme. The reason why it mattered was because you were supposed to care about them in the first place. You do that in 4 too.

And 4's neutral ending is literally the power of hope and friendship overcome all odds and everyone lives hand-in-hand together.

SMT If... also ends up being about helping a bullied child overcome his personal issues.

Megaten as a whole is overwhelmingly about hope, usually in humanity. Putting an emphasis on friendship may as well just mean you actually have something to represent that hope in humanity, instead of it just being an empty claim with faceless masses who can't be trusted to wipe their own ass.

>>377900171
For SMT4 there is no shame in googling how to get places. You'll immediately find a forum post where somebody got directions laid out. It'll save you a shitload of walking around lost time since the game basically assumes you're japanese or are very familiar with the layout of tokyo.

SMT4A seriously fixed this problem by giving you a waypoint to the quest locations, but you might not need it as much since they reuse a lot of locations.

>>377900416
cod sold better and looked better therefore cod>persona 5

>>377900769
>SMT IV A lacks that dark moments that give more value to the brighter ones.
The Gaeans mass suiciding to Shesha was pretty fucking dark. Have you even played the game nigger?

>>377900769
>Archangel theme being a Law theme remix
>Masakado theme being a Neutral theme remix

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>>377897874
Puriizu respondo.

>>377901086
Do whatever the fuck you want.

God that's a horrifying picture of Scathach.

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>>377900936
I didn't feel anything at that revelation. You can't tell me you actually cared especially after playing 4 and killing them by the truck load yourself, you even killed a few in 4A before that point. Hell the entire time the Maitreya faction was talking about how you need to give your souls to Sheesha like them to move to the new universe, what did you think was going to happen.

The one thing I hope they add to SMTHD is from TMS where when you attack an enemy in the dungeon it stuns them and then you can run into them to get a first strike

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>>377893892
Yes

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFNBMLtP2Ok

>>377901228
So any Persona and SMT IV?

>>377901086
That artist is so close to being amazing but that face is too realistic for the anime design he is trying to draw.

Reminder that most P5 hate is a meme and most assuredly politically motivated.

>neutral was a mistake
Every game almost makes it the most optimistic or content fuelled route. Most of the points by that route makes more sense than law/chaos.
Might as well remove it like devil summoner, Nocturne, IVA and most spinoffs do.

>>377901270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USPfmvQnpZ8

>>377901282
In SMT 5 and Persona 5 if you attack an enemy it auto starts the battle if I remember right but in TMS it just knocks the enemy out in the dungeon allowing you to get passed them.

>>377900769
>tfw you can hear the nukes going off in that theme
So good.

>>377901270
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu2op9bM-bo

>>377901163
The point is, how the fuck is that cheerful? Like you're complaining that the game is too bright and has no dark moments, but the plot is nonstop work towards dealing with hell-on-earth with plenty of pointless deaths along the way.

You're pretty clearly just being a contrarian about it, else you'd have dropped the series ages ago when they had things like curing your dog in disneyland, Alice, the infidelity potion, all sorts of shit in every spinoff.

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>>377901583
Nigga I don't know what you are talking about I just read your post and responded I think you are confusing me with someone else. How the hell am I a contrarian?

I want to play the the first Megatens, what should I play Megami Tensei 1 and 2 or SMT 1 and 2. How different they are?

>>377901842
Read story summary of smt1+2 and start with nocturne or other newer game.

>>377901941
Thanks for advice but I still want to play 1 and 2. I just don't know if I should bother with MT or SMT and what versions of such.

>>377901980
Play SMT 1 -> 2 and then KMT.

>>377902026
What's "K" in KMT?

>>377902079
Kyuuyaku, it's basically MT1 and MT2 in one game.

>>377901583
Yeah I don't get this either. A lot of SMT fans just parrot opinions and complaining about party members in SMT4A is the newest one. I've never seen so many people praising SMT4's atmosphere and story until SMT4A came out. When SMT4 came out, it got a ton of undeserved hate for being completely different than Nocturne was. Weird elitism all around

>>377900936
the nigger is you who can't understand how proper writing is done.
And the whole shesha thing was retarded.

>>377902536
Great reasoning.

I'm tired of us smtfags sucking persona's dick for a living. When will we get to be mainline again?

>>377901583
I'm the one you were talking with, and while the game has its dark moments, there's no way to deny that the overall atmosphere is NOT dark.
After that mass suicide you and your friends escape and return to your regular routine, no one cares about it one bit.

>contrarian
>/v/ is one person

>>377902252
Again
>/v/ is one person

I always praised IV, I like it more than Nocturne, and while I like IV A I criticize its flaws, which in my opinion are only about cast and overall atmosphere. As I said before the gameplay is great, and same goes for everything else.

>>377903297
When you make a good game for current consoles and also not give it some retarded name.

>>377902972
>calls other people niggers
>wants a proper answer
Sure, here's a (you), nigger

>>377901270
>tfw dante will never come back to SMT

>>377903962
>tfw dante will never have a game anymore.

>>377903962
>SMT Switch
>Hear a familiar voice calling pixies "moe"
FEATURING TRAVIS FROM THE NO MORE HEROES SERIES

>>377904109
FUCK HEAD

>>377873325
>not getting it from the freeshop

>>377904109
holy shit

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>>377901558

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>>377904109
MOE~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qByKEu0zdco

>>377875618
Gameplay is fantastic upgrade (except I don't think you can force a demon conversation to end so you have to keep giving them stuff, been a while since I've played 4 and it might be a demon app later level)
However, characters blow, (except Dagda as many have said) Especially that dumb bint Asahi

>>377872873
I would say it's not, but it does have better combat, and you get to fight YHVH, so there's some points in its favor.

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>>377878787
;)

>>377875618
Don't listen to these faggy memers. If you like IV, play apocalypse. It's inarguably better in terms of gameplay, arguably worse in terms of story. still good either way.

>>377872873
No way. Decided to pick it back up after dropping it for a few months. Ichigaya was one of my favorite moments in IV and in this game they turn it to Hallelujah's daddy issues. Also, gameplay is incredibly unbalanced when you have guest characters.

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I like the "present-day" setting Persona has.
But I am willing to play a SMT game because I'm not a contrarian fedora-tipper.

>>377901558
Which song is this, I haven't played 2, though I really should

>>377904109
jesus christ, I never knew what I wanted until I read it

>>377905071
> shit wiiu game dont even have demons
>somehow is a spin off

>>377901558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJGs0t4ERQI

>>377896993
But the power of friendship will triumph in IV:A if you let it.

>>377898295
>battle theme that doesn't loop after 1 minute
>you never hear the entire theme because you just one shot everything by this point

>>377878787
The saddest of truths

>>377898823
dex is best for boss killing but it can also AoE everything down if you hold on to hades blast and heavens bow. You might struggle with the occasional enemy that null/drain/repel phys/gun skills though, so you will want to pick up desperate hit later in the game from demonee-ho, which is a 1-5 multi hit skill that does almighty damage

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>/v/ hates the persona friendship garbage
>still betrays dagda because he's """he's an edgy manchild""" which basically describes the SMT fagnbase
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>377906749
>Mishima is the actual /v/ character
>people hate him and make fun of him here
>lots love the meme girl here who's unrealistic outside emotional trauma
Put two and two together.

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>>377906165
>Mirage
>Not demons

Its too early in the morning for this shit

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>not playing and enjoying mainline SMT alongside its spinoffs
wew

>>377883464
They're all better than persona though

>>377906749
It's the same reason why Personafags hate that that Mishima kid.
They don't like be reminded about the person they really are.

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>>377904451

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>>377906962
Fuck off you dumb neuter.

>>377906962
>enjoying games
absolute madman.

>>377906749
>literally the most trustworthy alignment patron of any SMT game that does exactly what he said he'll do with no bullshit attached.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrxtedscrUI

>tfw

>>377907267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3wS7QEwUbs

>>377906962
What is this meme even.

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>>377906749
>there are people that betrayed based Dagda
I don't get it. First of all, he's the only reason Nanashi is still alive. Secondly he's consistently proven right throughout the game about how your "friends" will drag you down and betray you. Finally he has a fantastic Irish accent. Also, you know, his route is the only one where YHVH is properly disposed of.

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>>377907501
shhhh just enjoy it

>>377884875
because the series was already one of the big ones in japan but was still pretty unknown in the west
everyone in japan knew they were part of the megaten games
it would be like gamefreak releasing a spin off game that didn't have the title start with 'pokemon', you'd still know it was a pokemon game since it would have pokemon in it
the spin offs weren't titled as SMT in japan but they still had SMT demons in it making them SMT games

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>its a mastema lies through his teeth episode

>>377907638
delet this mastema is pure

>>377907501
Aspect raidou.

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>>377901086
>mistaking the mask for a face
shit tier artist

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>tfw trying to get a capote earring in SMTIV
why wont this stupid faggot matador show up

>>377907931
>mask
>she blinks in persona 5
seems like you've been cucked

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HEE HO

>>377907931
>implying there isn't a face under a mask
>implying masks have eyes without holes that look around.