>Current year when it was released >literally no 3d models

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>>377862070
If you're into 3D then go play Nocturne

>>377862180

I'd rather play a properly designed game

>>377862238
Unlike persona 5 nocturne puzzles actually require effort and members don't spoil it for you

>>377862372

Yeah and you're also permanently fucked if you miss 1 pixel at certain points in the game because there's fucking bosses that literally can't be defeated unless you did some specific task way back

>Trisagon
>Deadly Wind
>Cold World
>Megidolo (soon to be Megidolaon, can't wait!!!)
>Concentrate
>Salvation
>Tetrakarn
>Marakarn
This is my first SMT game, say something nice to my Flynn!

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>>377862454
not dex/10

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>>377862446
Have you even played the game? I had no trouble beating this game and never had to do a specific task just to beat a boss.

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>>377862641
fuck thor

>>377862762
you probably didn't get a good ending

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>>377862070
What are you talking about?

>>377862446
Why are you lying?

>>377862070
Meanwhile P3P gets made in the same way but no thread dedicated to that.

It's good in spite of that. Shouldn't have been released on the 3DS though, at least the new one won't be so held back by its platform.

>>377862070
It has a shitload more demons than persona has personas. They used sprites dating all the way back to the Sega Saturn.

Redpill me on DDS series

Are the characters shit?

>>377862885
He's probably referring to Walter, Jonathan and Isabeau.

>>377863006
They're mostly inoffensive but nothing special, except for Gale who's amazing and one of the best MegaTen characters. The games themselves are fun, though far from the best MegaTen games, in my opinion.

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>>377862885
Thats Apocalypse though.

>>377863006

Their design, both artistic and in-game is absolutely horrible

>>377862861
>Good ending
>in an SMT game

If we're talking SMT 3, then yes I guess you can get a horrible ending, but that doesn't mean you have to be Pixel Perfect in order to defeat a boss.

>>377863006
The characters grow into their personalities. As they are AI's until the virus gives them a personality based on actual people

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>>377863234
SMTIV

>>377862070
It has some of the best quality of life improvements of any JRPG i've ever played, with the quest log and ability to save anywhere. But then it fucks it up with the god awful map.

Still though, it's a fantastic game that's only held back by the hardware of the console it's on. If all you notice is the graphics of a game, maybe go play Uncharted or something

Should have been on the console instead of a shitty handheld. Fuck Atlus.

>>377863450
>and ability to save anywhere.

I hate this shit, i prefer terminals

>>377863446
Does he shows up in battles? I've never played either

>>377862070

>just got alignment lock for neutral
>this fucking monochrome forest

jesus. how much time is left in the game? i'm already at like 55 hours and i've been playing for 3 years

>>377863578
No, just in dungeon crawling.

>>377863654
Not much. You'll have to do the worst part of the game which may or may not take a while and then you do two dungeons that aren't all that long.

>>377862454

my flynn just has a bunch of stat buff/debuff moves, a team heal, a hp/mp leech, and a phys skill. am i doin it wrong?

>>377863654
>Neutral lock
>Complaining about the game being too long at the monochrome forest

Oh boy, I sure hope you're excited about doing shitty sidequests to fill a chalice with the hopes of Tokyo before you can fight Lucifer and Merkabah.

>>377863654
You're in the last leg

>>377863446
That cameltoe tho

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>Needing 3D model eye candy to keep their attention
Can personafags get any worse?

>>377863549
I can manage with the terminals on a home console game, but I hate when JRPGs on a handheld console don't have the ability to save anywhere. Battery life is too unpredictable for that

>>377862454
No electric/zio move.

>>377863234
>Their design, both artistic and in-game is absolutely horrible
>
LOL
End yourself.

>>377863006
Heat is shit

>>377862641
DEX is for fags

>>377864164
t. Sera

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HHHHHHHMMMMMMM

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>>377862641
>he didn't go full Magic and curbstomp angels with Sea of Chaos

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How you want your final dungeon, senpai?

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>>377864360
>comparing a 3DS game to a PS4 game

okay

>>377864531
YHVH's Universe was big, but really not too difficult to navigate. I'd take that over DDS2's final dungeon or Grus any day.

>>377863929
It's a fucking horrible artstyle, neck yourself if you think otherwise.

Everyone has identical faces, everyone is too fucking square, the eyes have too much eyeliner, eyebrows are too far away from the eyes, skin color is wrong, and the most notable (And shittiest) aspect in the artstyle is that the artist puts the shade on the upper lip of the characters, giving the impression that they all have nigger mouths

>>377864650
>DDS2 Final Dungeon
>That Pentagon you form on the map

Even though some dungeons suck in SMT games, I still like the little things they do.

>it's an underage faggots can't appreciate anything without MUH GRAFIX thread

>>377864360
Persona is the rabbids of SMT

>>377864884
That was cool, but didn't make up for what a pain it was to go through all of the shit.

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>>377865064
I dunno, I sort of rushed my way through it all. And reloaded saves in case I went through the wrong area.

Guess I just got lucky.

>>377864631
That just reinforces how far mainline has fallen. The spin-off is being released on console while the "mainline" is relegated to recycling old assets on a hand held.

>>377865379
>Implying the handhelds aren't the more popular option in japan

>>377865379
you have a point. Hope to see a new SMT on console soon though.

>>377865379
>Mainline game does so well that they have to rush out a whole new game to keep up with the demand, even if that means reusing assets
meanwhile personafags will be lucky to get another 10 hours of cutscenes and a useless new character when the special edition of P5 comes out

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>>377865462
And persona STILL outsells it!

What's the consensus on Nocturne's final dungeon?

>>377865462
I'm pretty sure everyone in Japan plays phone games. Either way Persona 5 is the best selling Atlus game in Japan and everywhere else for that matter.

>>377865547
Nah they still got that karting and tennis spinoff game

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>>377865712
I had to use a map for the Teleportation part, but that was it. Not as bad as the other ones posted. Like how it ends at floor 666

>>377865462
It's not. Persona beats it.

>>377865910
I was talking the ownership of 3ds vs ps4

>>377865547
And that will sell as well, while we smtfags will still be sucking persona's dick so we get another game on a handheld.

>>377865547
Do you mean Apocalypse? The game that barely sold half of what 4 did and is so desperate to rip off Persona it literally has a friendship ending?

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>needing 3D models to appreciate hoy

>Who cares about graphics?

Apparently Atlus does since they're using Unreal 4 for SMT V.

>tfw wasted ALL my time on the fucking kapla dungeons and all my time to grind to level 90's for angelfag demon just to fight Lucifer just for a game breaking bug that i will NEVER be able to get past from in the light kagutsuchi boss fight

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>377865712
I remember enjoying. Been a while though so maybe I was just relieved to have something relatively simple after the Amala dungeon.

>>377866282
sucks to be you. Hell, you didn't even need to grind that hard.

I started playing the first SMT for the SFC and I'm not sure what I should be doing. Demons already started showing up, but I don't know where to go now.

>>377864820
>identical faces
Not true at all.

>eyeliner
Some eyeliner is not too much, fag.

>eyebrows too far away from eyes
On sera and cielo, maybe. But serph, heat, and argilla? What?

>skin color is wrong
These are niggas who spend all their time in an underground bunker and occasionally come up to a rotting, desolate, disgusting surface. I'd say it can be off a little bit.

>they all have nigger mouths
Fantastic criticism.

I'm not going to try to dissuade a shitposter from his shit opinions but wasting time on the internet isn't fun, man

>its a persona babbies dont like games without a self insert mc, waifus and conventional designs episode
i cant even tell if its shitposters or actual children who thought persona started with 4 like how final fantasy started with 7

>>377862861
To get an ending that's not Vortex World you just need to not be an indecisive babby that pick Neutral in WRPGs

To get True Demon you just need to complete the optional dungeons

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>>377865531
But a console SMT came out last gen

>>377867639
The filename gave it away, anon.
I legit liked the game although I still don't like the setting

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>>377867639
one that isn't a "crossover"
:^)

>>377867832
Can't wait for Tokyo Mirage Sessions 2 starring Rabbids from the Rayman series.

>>377867209
I mean every SMT mc is a self-insert. As for waifus 4 pushes Isabeau pretty hard and Final has 2 of you party members lust after your dick the whole game. I'm not sure what you mean by unconventional designs though. I suppose a lot of the demons in the recent games could be called that since multicolored mashed together pieces of shit isn't a conventionally attractive design choice.

So I'm like 9 hours into Nocturne and every boss has gone more or less the same way
>cast buffs at the start
>start punching it a bunch
>boss goes into second phase
>wipes half my team
>doesn't matter since a 3x tarukaja MC can punch it to death before he dies
The only one I didn't kill on my first try so far is Odin since like 80% of late teen early 20 demons were weak to lightning. It kinda sucks that most of my team doesn't get any boss experience though.

>>377863446
I forgot all about the amazon coat, I loved that shit

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>>377867832

>that image

>>377868252
yeah anon. that's the joke

>>377868071
>Odin

you mean Thor, right?
Also, stop punching. There is a boss you encounter later that you HAVE to use Magic. At least use different Phys skills or some strong Magic attacks.

post your mc stats

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>>377868359

>that spoiler

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>>377868551
yeah anon that's the joke

>>377868037
>implying any of Soejima's cartoony shit is as good as IV Minotaur

>>377863006
It was the first MegaTen game I played after Persona 3 made me want to try out the rest of the series. It kept me from playing any more for like five more years. Play Nocturne or Devil Survivor instead

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>>377868541
Right Thor my bad. I don't know if Lunge is a low hit skill in this game but it feels like it so I never use it.
And I'll start using some magic Magatama after this I guess.

How long is a playthrough? I forgot I bought this

>>377868071
I hate when people do this.
>go with optimal build strategy
>mow down everything in sight
>well that was boring
I mean I don't know if you knew STR was the best build for nocturne beforehand but I see so many fags asking how they should get into nocturne instead of A. experimenting themselves or B. using a suboptimal strategy and having things become much more interesting and it pisses me off.

>>377869036
Lunge is pretty meh.
Make sure you have some Luck though. It helps avoid instakills moves.

And don't over do STR. You get a Magatama (if you find them all) that boosts your stats by 10.

Also, try to get Fog Breath or War Cry.
Otherwise, it's a nice build so far. As long as your demons support you.

>>377869036
Get fog breath.

>>377862070
As someone who is hankering for a good timesink / JRPG on the 3ds how good is this game.

I'm totally new to SMT in general and the only JRPGS ive played before are final fantasy and pokemon

>>377869456
>>377869491
Getting fog breath just requires leveling with wadatsumi right?

>>377863832
Why do I want to kill all these smug sons of a bitches?

How are you even supposed to get the neutral path? I just sided with Walter because Jonathan is a pompous douche

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>>377869456
>Lunge is pretty meh.
I thought l was one of the best single target skills until way later when you get obviously better skills.

>>377869036
Fog Breath + Sukukaja means you'll almost never get hit which makes fights so much easier

>>377869456
>some Luck though. It helps avoid instakills move
Luck actually doesn't do this. It barely affects anything on the game.

>>377869647
Yeah.

>>377863006
Despite what people are saying about it I actually think DDS has one of the best overall cast of characters in any SMT game and the demon forms of the main party are, in my opinion, excellent. Story is fucking great

>>377869647
yes.
>>377869812
I mean, it's good but I hardly used it at the time because I didn't go full STR until midgmae.

>>377869582
SMT4 has a very unforgiving opening and you need to learn how to talk to everyone and explore everywhere to progress at points but once you get the hang of it it's a pretty great timesink and a good intro to the series. Just leave this thread before you get spoiled, since it has some genuinely great twists.

>>377869658
You have to balance the choices. Talking to the cynical man in any bar and the Tenkai fight will tell you your alignment, and from there you can try juggling your law and chaos choices.

>>377869347
I'm not saying it's boring or easy, hell if anything it's the opposite since I know I can go into a boss fight and actually have a shot, unlike pre-karn IV where I had to plan on just dying a bunch to the early bosses and figuring out what their skills and weaknesses are.

>>377869925
huh. I was told otherwise.

>>377869658
I was Chaos up until I had to chose between killing Lilith or killing the human yakuza dude then I was Law from then on and turns out it made me neutral. Then I black holed the Universe lol

>>377870212
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3299/

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>>377862180
>Nocturne
>easily beaten at level 53 on hard

nah. I'll just play SJ for the challenge

>>377862446
What the literal h*ck did he mean by this

>>377862070

>tfw SMT IV A will never go on sale on 3DS

Why is the world so cruel?

Has anyone thought about playing and enjoying both?

>>377870571
hacc ur 3ds boyo

>>377870340
Ah. I wish I could run an emulator.
>>377870457
I meant for someone who wanted a 3D game.
that's what he seemed to cry about

>>377870740

It's fully updated, it's too late.

>>377870238
>that spoiler
I did the same thing thinking that would be neutral, but I hate 90% of the words coming out of Jonathan's mouth so I guess I was always going chaos, I mean Walter is the man after all. Also my strong dislike of Jonathan makes me realize that he's actually a pretty well done character unlike Isabeau who up until this point has been beyond dull

>>377870571
Steal it

I'm almost done with Strange Journey, got to Sector E and about to hit up the vanishing point.

What game should I get into next?

>>377870964
>almost done
>sector E
This is a good joke

>>377870831
Why do you hate Jonathan so much?

>>377871312
How so? Almost home free. So far the game hasn't been too hard.

>>377862454
>Cold World

Get Ice Age, you fucking faggot. Cold World is even worse that Mabufudyne.

>>377871327
I actually enjoy him as a character but I can't stand his philosophy, the law route always seems like it preaches stagnation and the status quo and even Mikado which I suppose is some kind of paradise compared to Tokyo, I haven't finished the game yet I'm in the monochrome forest now has all the same injustices and general problems that Tokyo has with a higher level of control on the people at the bottom, seems like a shit deal to me

>>377862454
>Salvation

Sure would be a shame if someone were to Charm your MC and he fully heals a boss...

>>377870964
>Sector E
>almost done
Anon I...

>>377871827
>Ice Age
>4

>>377871843
I see where you're coming from. I've always been a chaosfag myself but Jonathan is probably the best Law rep in the series outside of Amane. If it weren't for the fact that Law in IV is horrifically evil beyond belief - seriously, it's basically just the bad ending v2 I probably would have had no problem with joining him since he was a guy that sincerely loved his country and fellow man. He even cries if you choose to go kill Lilith since he saw Walter as such a good friend and felt awful about losing him.

>>377872273
He was a respectable guy, no doubt. Also there were some questionable designs in the game but I personally really like the whole insect motif I saw with the angels, makes them seem appropriately evil

>>377871843
You sort of have it right. Basically, what the forces of Law seek to do in this game is to create a world without sin. In order to do this, they must erase all knowledge of sin off the face of the Earth. People will become incapable of committing sin, because they will be unable to even think of anything sinful. It's a bit similar to the idea of Newspeak in 1984. So the angels aren't controlling anyone directly, the people are controlling themselves without even knowing it. It's a very interesting situation.

>>377872273

I don't know how someone can choose Law in IV's universe of all SMT games and not feel awful about it. You outright genocide everyone in Tokyo and Mikado is ruled by the angels.

>>377870784
I'm not completely up to date with the scene but I'm pretty sure a hack for the latest firmware came out within the past week.

>>377872273
As a Chaosfag what do you think of Walter? I'm a newcomer to the series but I don't really like him. He seemed pretty decent at first but after Lilith he just seemed to go full retard. Like it seems really hypocritical for him to hate the Ashura-kai but enjoy Infernal Tokyo when they are both about the strong farming humans for food.

>>377872918
>>377873074
Why is blasted Tokyo the only one where humanity has actually banded together? Once Pluto is gone it seems like the best option but I didn't understand if that was supposed to be the past or another possible world because of the whole Akira being there and essentially saying he was going to found Mikado

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>>377865712
>tfw just beat nocturne and since I didn't use a guide I had no idea I had to beat that labyrinth in order to fight the true final boss
>no saves from before I entered the final dungeon
tell me there's some way I can just cheat on emulator so I don't have to play the whole game again

>>377873297
Infernal Tokyo is equal opportunity exploitation, as far as I saw everyone had the choice to be a neurisher or a demonoid, some were just less happy with their choice than others

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>>377873508
Blasted and Infernal Tokyo are all just possible worlds. The reason these worlds exist is due to the actions of a CDF solider, who would later reincarnate into Flynn. This CDF solider chooses to go either Law, Chaos, or Neutral. Him going law results in Blasted Tokyo, him going chaos results in Infernal Tokyo, and him going neutral results in regular Tokyo. As for the Akira thing, it's complex. Akira is a special soul who is destined to do great things in all of his incarnations. In all 3 worlds, he creates Mikado. Yes, even in Infernal Tokyo, he decides to rename Tokyo into Mikado after he becomes ruler.

SMT IV is utter trash

if you're in the mood for an SMT game play Apocalypse itself. it's a retread of IV's environments but it's far superior in every way, and if you haven't played the first one you won't be bored by all the reused assets

SMT4A does not fuck around with this endgame shit

>>377874271
So you hated 4, but played 4A anyway. Very strange.

>>377874271
>playing a sequel without the prequel
>implying IV isn't a much better RPG than IVA simply because the roleplaying part is leagues better due to writing that isn't fucking gutter trash

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They keep running away, I'm guessing I have to beat them in a specific order or something? That's dumb.

>>377874638
it's the writing in 4 that is gutter trash
asahi and dagda have more personality in the first 15 minutes of 4A than every single character in 4 combined

>>377874731
You fight them all alone until they run away then you fight them all together

>>377862070
>Can I drop this already?

Nope it's the only game you can play until you die.

>>377874731
you have to beat them all without getting off those blocks

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>>377864452
>he didn't go dex and curb stomp literally anything with hades blast and heavens bow

>>377874638
>IV being good for roleplaying
>when the writing is the worst out of the entire mainline series and every alignment is shit, with neutral having a ridiculously slim window to actually get into
>playing SMT for actual roleplaying when it's still incredibly limited compared to WRPGs
>not playing SMT for dungeon crawling, demon fusion and battling
IVbabbies are a fucking embarrassment, you have to be mentally deficient to enjoy a SMT game with no fucking dungeons.

>>377872273
>>377873074
IV's Law ending is possibly one of the most reasonable ones to agree with, if you think about it for a moment. You see Infernal Tokyo and see that if the Angels didn't take action, humans would have been overrun by demons for sure.

Not only that, but you learn that they did let Akira in, who then went on to become King Aquila of Mikado. He was the one who established the Samurai, and it's from him being let in (since all he wanted was to find his sister, which is a noble goal) and the absence of three of the Archangels that Mikado spirals into the repressed society with casualries/luxurors.

That's straight up two strikes. They gave the modern world a chance up to the 2000s, it'd turn to Infernal Tokyo. They spared a single boy who had noble goals but demon knowledge, and that singlehandedly fucked up the entirety of Mikado.

They NEED to do a scorched earth approach. They also don't have any angels in the Law ending, they all kill themselves as well like Merkabah does so that they don't influence humanity. It's the only ending of a world with no angels or demons, just humans.

>>377865379
persona gets most of the budget because it panders the most. the games are specifically designed for slice of life anime losers, just with some gameplay interwoven, the shit is basically a glorified visual novel, but at the same time its not hard to see that it sells more because of it

for the most part SMT mainline has kept its integrity as more game than text, even though they are starting to turn that into harem shit too, if 4:A is any indication

>>377875383
It sounds like you're just a parroting retard who started with Nocturne and at most only played Strange Journey otherwise and think that defines SMT.

Fucking christ, you people would flip your shit if you knew "heroine" characters that are practically the Hero's destined waifu were a common thing in all the classic SMT games, including Devil Summoner and Soul Hackers.

>>377874797
Every human character in IVA somehow manages to be even more cliched and insufferable than bog standard Lawfag, Chaosfag, and Neuter. The way current events are delivered (less focus on you having to interact with NPCs to see changes) is also inferior and less immersive than IV's handling. Choices don't even fucking matter outside of different dialogue and your party brushing you aside for the most part. The only thing it has going for it over IV in the writing department is the hype factor of fighting YHVH.

>>377875098
My favorite SMT is SJ. Neither IV nor IVA are worth looking at as dungeon crawlers because both of them are overall trash in terms of dungeon design and being 3rd person doesn't help. Especially IV, but at least it shines at something. Gameplay is mostly similar too, though IVA has some changes, mostly improvements, especially in fusion. It does do some steps back with the partner gauge though.

>>377875569
yes the heroine has always had that defined role going back to megami tensei, but that still isn't the same thing as happens in 4:A, there is literally an ending where dagda turns your chosen waifu into a fucking mindless cumdump, shut the fuck up

>>377866213
Isn't Unreal 4 basically plug n' play at this point? Seems totally up ATLUS's alley to use it when you think about it.
>>377867639
Actually that's Persona. And no, I don't mean "not edgy enough." In Japan it goes under the Genei Ibunroku tagline, which is what the Persona games go under in Japan.

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>>377875735
Wow, who would have thought an ending where you murder everyone and change the entire world by force to establish yourself as God has you brainwash underlings. Surely this is pandering to harem anime otaku the likes of which has never before been seen in the series.

You're just a contrarian fag who knows nothing about the series beyond memes with no context.

>>377875007
>Hades blast

>Not world of luck with high dex and Titanomachia

>>377876247
>needing Titanomachia
>when you crit anyway because you pumped Luck so high that nearly every hit crits