How come they were never able to replicate the god-tier world

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>left and right look like some one just puked his guts out
>center is simple, clean and memorable
Whoa...

>>377859169
>I like a game world that's nothing but straight lines and dead-ends

Sorry that complex world design hurts your brain anon.

>>377858994
I honestly liked DS3's designs better. It's not too overly complicated to the point it gets ridiculous, but it's got quite a few avenues for exploration so it's not stale. Don't forget that DS1 had some truly ridiculous things like skipping and area and then working through it backwards in order to stop some guy getting mind controlled by cave insects

>>377858994
The first game required work and effort, because there was no guarantee that it would sell. They needed to make it as good as possible.

The third game was guaranteed to sell. They just had to avoid making the map as shit as the second. Past that, they could hide the linear design behind a bunch of dead ends and reconnecting branches, and call it a day.

>>377858994
they should make a system shock game

>>377859613
That's what made it interesting though. Regardless of whether or not it was the devs intention, the fact that you could actually go through an area backwards was neat.

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>>377858994
I never got the appeal of DS1's map design. Am I the only one who goes "Oh, I'm back HERE again? Fucking boring, I thought I was going somewhere new and exciting".

And let's be honest, the only reason the map has so many connections in on itself is because you don't unlock fast travel until the very end and it's unreasonable to make you walk all the way back to where you want to go. DS1's map basically boils down to this.

>>377860475
>the only reason the map has so many connections in on itself is because you don't unlock fast travel until the very end and it's unreasonable to make you walk all the way back to where you want to go

Which is infinitely better than just being able to teleport to any bonfire you've visited. It makes thte world feel real and physical and connected, not just a bunch of branching linear paths.

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>>377858994
The world design in DaS was a mistake. I'm not saying it was bad, but none of the other games have it, so either it's too much of a hassle to make or From got lucky during the development of DaS.

>>377860642
Eh, I get what you mean I guess. Personally I just disliked walking around the place just to get back to somewhere and I disliked getting disappointed every time I got to the end of a zone only to discover a shortcut to a different zone. To some people it made the world feel bigger but to me it just made things feel smaller, you know? It made things feel condensed.

I like das.

When i start NG i can just go through an entire different direction than i first went

>>377859169
On the contrary, middle is entirely forgettable because it's so bland. Nobody's memorizing a 3-D image of the map in real space, but you can bet your ass that anyone who played Dark Souls can tell you just about how the entire world links together.

>>377858994
>put a lot of effort into the first multiplat souls game so people will buy it
>gets meme status
>they get lazy as fuck from that game forward because fuck you you'll buy it anyway
>laughingjapensemen.png

>>377859662
The third game is halfway between the first and second one, because the third game has the directors of the first and second one.

>>377858994
What in DS3 is more connected than lost bastille in DS2? Genuinely cant remember much from it.


Can't wait for the next souls so the v meme cycle moves on to praising ds2. I unironically think SotFS is the goat.

>>377861646
>Can't wait for the next souls so the v meme cycle moves on to praising ds2
Nigga that already happens, usually along with shitting on one of the others games at the same time. The /vint/ stint showed that it was overwhelmingly unironically Canadians.

>>377861646
>Can't wait for the next souls so the v meme cycle moves on to praising ds2.
It already did that, tons of people praise it even though it's the worst souls game already

>>377862917
I mean, it might be the worst but it's not a fucking god awful game like people say it is. It's still pretty goddamn good, even if it is the weakest in the series. It's like saying that if DS2 is an 8/10 but the rest are 9/10, then DS2 is garbage. I mean, it's the worst SoulsBorne but it doesn't stop it from being 8/10

>>377859445
The levels aren't any more straight than in DS1

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This is absolutely amazing.

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I remember when I first started DS3 and got so pissed when the game just teleports you to High Wall of Lothric. I couldn't believe that From couldn't be fucked to connect Firelink Shrine to the rest of the world.

Then I got to the Champion Gundyr area and realized that the Firelink Shrine hub is set in an entirely different time and/or world.

DS3 is pretty legit.

>>377864462
Too bad only half of the pic is actually explorable just like with Anor Londo. My biggest problem with Souls games.

>>377859169
Das2 shitposting should be banned on sight

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>>377858994
Because it was clearly a massive pain in the asshole and the main reason DaS 1 is by far the most unfinished in the series. It's pretty obvious that it was just too much effort for something that a sadly small amount of people REALLY appreciated.

>>377865136
Talking about Dark souls 2 should be banned.

>>377861312
This. The world design was what really pulled me in.

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>>377864462
The biggest problem with DS3 is over-familiarity. At this point in the series life it no longer has the ability to evoke the same feelings of loneliness and desperation in the player. I find it hard to fairly rate it against the other games because of that, as they are what make the Souls experience so special.

I come from playing Dark Souls 2 and I just can't believe the amount of bullshit in that game. It just feels so unfair.

You're a fucking fruitbowl lmao

>>377865298
How much harder is it to design a world like that though. You just come up with some kind of flowchart for how areas connect and then shape the geometry accordingly, so that there's a bunch of long corridors and elevators for no reason between the areas

>>377865915
>>377865823

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>>377858994
>Dark Souls 3 less linear than 2
What exactly did he mean by this?

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STOP MAKING FUN OF DARK SOULS 2 STOP IT STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP STOP STOP STOP

>>377865823
If you want loneliness, the problem it's not familiarity to me, it's just how the game was designed.

One thing that gave me the sense of loneliness in DS1 was that there was little to no sound. There was even very very little ambient sound. The noisier sound was you walking.

In Dark Souls 3 there is A LOT of ambient sounds I you listen to it. To me that makes a great difference.

The other thing is that you can't get lost.

If we had these two thing, we would feel more at our own.

>>377865960

No. Making it work in a cohesive and organic way on a macro level while still keeping a tight level design on a moment to moent basis is pretty hard.

I much prefer DA1 to any other game in the genre by From, but I will not pretend it's easy to do what they did.

>>377866045
The OP image does not imply that DaS3 is less linear than 2.

>see cool windmill
>Take elevator to the top of windmill
>You're now in a volcano peak
Fuck DaSII

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>yfw getting lost as fuck in Blighttown for the first time

If you don't go into these games completely blind you're ruining your experience

>>377860853
dumbass

>>377866308
The volcano was right behind the windmill and you walk through a tunnel at the back of the windmill to arrive at the elevator. Of all the things in DaS2 to criticize, you picked a pretty stupid thing.

Because you incorrectly believe the first game had god tier world design when it was just as silly as the rest.

Like every game in the franchise the only really open section is the first major level. Then it becomes increasingly narrow and focused with you having to teleport back to the beginning and go in a different direction.

Also the first Dark Souls second half was and incomplete mess because Bamco forced it out the door.

>>377866308
It's pretty obvious that the windmill connects to the mountains in the background. Quit trying to find tiny """"flaws"""" like that because you want to make DS2 look bad

>>377866238
>One thing that gave me the sense of loneliness in DS1 was that there was little to no sound. There was even very very little ambient sound. The noisier sound was you walking.

Wasn't that a bug, I thought it was fixed in the PC version. You could hear the ambient noise if you stood still but then it was immediately drowned out when you started moving again. Compared to Demon Souls where there was lots of background noise going on

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>>377866295

>>377864761
Beautifully worded

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>No mention of Demon's Souls level design

I mean, I know it was the best out of the series but come on now.

>>377866475
>Demon Souls where there was lots of background noise

PLEASE

HELP ME

>>377858994
I think I liked how DeS did it. Radically different areas without it seeming awkward or unnatural.

>>377866579
>a dot representative of the Nexus
>5 linear paths
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

Dark Souls 2 is the highest rated Souls game on Metacritic. Not just by one point, but by two?
#1 Game of all time that changed gaming forever.

>>377866308
Butthurt

>>377866412
>>377866450
>ride to the top of the tower
>from the outside you can't see any volcano
>the top of the tower isn't touching from the outside
>lol you're just nitpicking

Neck yourselves

>>377866579
Because this thread is about world design and there's not a whole lot to say about how each level connected in that game.

The most interesting observation I can make is that it feels like DeS stages were designed as places first, then levels. Places like Boletaria's gate and Latria's prison are actually functionally designed.

>>377866889
You're blind and retarded. I agree that there are many flaws with the world design of DaS2, but you are not describing one.

>>377858994
>the games in terms of pvp
das2>everything else

>>377867059
Show me a screenshot where the top of the windmill touches anything much less a volcano. I dare you.

The thing is, it's true that DS3 it's linear, but succeeded at giving you the sense of discovery with all the hidden and alternative paths, there are some kind of big areas that you can explore, and also has a really well connected world. You can literally turn around and see all the progress you made.

DS2, in the other hand, it doesn't matter which path you choose, it always feels like a long corridor. You reach the end and the you go to the other corridor. Not to mention that the world doesn't even have sense.

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>>377866412
>>377866450
You both must not pay attention to the world around you.

>>377866475
Wat wat wat wat.

God.

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>>377866863
The relative SotFS is the worst

>>377866283
The only place where it worked was the parish and church area. After that it was just like hey here's this valley with dragons that's basically just a long corridor from the Darkroot elevator to Blighttown. And after that there were still these long caves between the valley and Darkroot/Blighttown. Going from the lake to the parish you run up like five flights of stairs. Even then, outside that early cluster area the game pretty much branches off into different directions like DS2 with the skeleton world branch, the lava world branch and the Anor Londo branch

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Today, I will remind them.

>>377858994
ds2 >> des > ds > ds3 > bb

>>377858994
God tier is the pinnacle. Once you've reached the top you can only go down.

>>377858994
ds2 >> nioh>>des > ds > ds3 > bb

DS2 > DS3 > BB > DS1 >>>> DeS

Demon Souls is derivative and dishonest

>>377858994
because world building was not as big of a deal to the majority of their customers; sure on /v/ it was a big deal and discussed a lot but /v/ is only a minor part of the audience.

Normies cared about how the world looked, the difficulty meme, and pvp.

>>377867335
Look at the user score in this image
>>377867245

Seems like most fans liked DS2 less than 1 or 3.

>>377858994
das2 > Lords of the Fallen > des > bb > das1 > das3

>>377867423
>>377867415
>>377867337
Is /b/ raiding us?

IS BB2 confirmed? Why would you torture the PC fags even more? They are depressed over DS3, that shit game.

>>377858994
DaS 2 > Nioh > Salt and Sanctuary > Not playing videogames > DeS > DaS > BB > DaS 3 > Lords of the Fallen

BB and DaS 3 both look crap as well

>>377858994
Oh look it's the picture that completely ignores the option to fight the dancer, wow!

>>377867447
Steam is user reviews too, except on Steam you actually have to play games instead of making puppet accounts and shitting out a 0/10.

>>377867513
no, it's just a couple of samefags trying to get people to hate on das2 like in every das thread

long story short, phoneposters are cancer

>>377858994
Nioh > Lords of the Fallen > DS2 > Soulsborne

FTFY

Some of you shouldn't be allowed to have opinions. It bothers me that you're allowed to vote, I think I understand the appeal of dictators now.

>>377866903
Level design doesn't end with how the levels connect

>>377867542
You gotta make your bait believable son

>>377867553
How far can you get beyond the Dancer if you fight her right away, anyway? Genuinely curious.

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>>377867128
>I dare you.
Jesus dude, calm down.

>>377867553
>fight Dancer and get to Lothric
>instantly cockblocked by a wooden door
amazing

>>377861187
A small condensed world is far better than a larger bland world. That's been every single open world game's problem since the genre was born, and is a reason why the original dark souls is so great.

>>377858994
>what is bloodborne

>>377867651
Sure but this still isn't a thread about level design but about world design

>>377858994
DS II>>>DS>BB>DS III>DES

For fucks sake OP
This isn't hard.

>>377864462
You see, people just complains because oceiros it's not directly connected to prince lothric or something like that.

>>377867609
Are the Steam user reviews for DS2 higher than DS1 or 3?

>>377858994
PC and redditfags that went to the catacombs first and bitched about the game being too hard. They've been casualizing the series ever since.

>>377867534
I haven't played Ds3 but did play Bloodborne
>Combat at its core is unchanged through any souls game
>Bloodbornes areas are visually interesting and linear, most areas are average
>Chalice dungeons are shit
>Most bosses are forgettable.
>Easiest souls game
>Worse build variety than any souls
>Cool optional content and a weapon hidden behind chalice dungeons
>Factions mean even less of a shit than they did previously
>Have to pay for online
>Doesn't feel very grand, mostly maze like, nothing wrong with this but I wished they changed it up a bit
Why I put it under Dark souls personally.

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>>377858994
>Not posting the real one

1 and 2 both have great maps, 3 is too linear.

>>377867710
Can you post an in game screenhot of the windmill? I am not at that part on any of my characters.

>>377867771
They're roughly the same, not sure how it would change if you included all versions of DSII though.

>>377867710
Yeah that's reaslitic and not lazy at all.

>but muh fantasy world

There's nothing else that jarring anywhere else in the series. It's no effort garbage.

JUUST

>>377867881
good post

op's pic is just shitposting fuel

>>377867781
>PC is the problem
please remember, the meme status of the game came before the pc version
the pc version was labelled "prepare to die" in honor of your personal brand of cancer

>>377867881
Is there a version of this with the names of each area?

>>377867946
But don't you want the MYSTERY and WONDER of exploring this fantasy world preserved? The game making shit up as it goes lets it surprise you at every turn :^)

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>>377858994
i miss the power stances feature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaG43ArzxV8

>>377868047
Not that I have seen

>bossfights
BB > DS2 > DaS > DeS > DS3

>level design
DaS > DS2 > BB > DS3 > DeS

>music
DS2 > DaS > DeS > DS3 > BB

>lore/story/characters
DS2 > DaS > DeS > DS3 > BB

>the games in terms of pvp
das2>everything else

BB has the worst characters and the most vague lore in the series. Basically nothing is explained and it can almost all attribute to headcannon.

>>377868105

Power Stance was like the only good thing to come out of 2 and they didn't even put it in 3. What an oversight.

>>377859169
I literally just replayed 2 and the only things I can remember is majula, heides, forest of fallen giants, Sir Alonne and Ivory King.

>>377868151
>BB has the worst characters and the most vague lore in the series.

I agree, but if you mean to tell me it has the worst music in the series, we're gonna have to get into a fight.

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>>377867931
>He doesn't realize some game levels are hidden behind barriers(or tunnels) you walk through
In this case, you walk 10 feet behind the windmill through tunnel, go up a chute, and you're in a magically in a volcano

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I hated Dark Souls 3 for the endless references to 1 and 2
but at the same time I unironically love the Soul of Cinder, it's great that the world is so beyond saving that the first flame itself takes a form and tries to fight off the being coming to prolong it, it knows how hopeless the situation is and wants itself to burn out for good
and then you fight it and it incorporates the techniques of everyone who's ever sacrificed themselves to it over the thousands of years, culminating in channelling the strength of Gwyn in one final desperate struggle as the music changes to his melancholy theme

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>>377868151

>>377868281
>10 feet
It's a long tunnel from the stairs to the boss fog, then it is some distance to the elevator.

The volcano is literally right behind the windmill.

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>>377864080
>Rolling iframes tied to stats.
>Fucking horrid "shockwaves".
>Every boss is a fucking knight or O&S or gangbang squad.
>Uninspired atmosphere that even DS3 does better.

DS2 is by far the worst Souls game and to be honest, even though I finished it and bought the Scholars edition, I can't be assed to play it again to see if it finally got good.

I have 100+ hours on DAS, DES and DAS3, finished 2 with some 40 hours and never touched it again.

>>377858994
>dark souls 1
that's a fucking lie and you know it, the game was never that interconnected in the first place.

>>377867710
In fact the great design, which is why the DS2 is the best souls game

>>377868067
There's fantastic and inexplicable worlds and then there's a teleporting elevator that shows up at almost ground level after going up for a solid minute.

>>377868286
I will say that Dark Souls 3 is probably what Dark Souls II should have been. At this point though the formula is too tired, which is ironically the theme of the entire game. The world is so tired of doing the same thing over and over and over again that it's falling in on itself. Seeing the Sun turn into the Darksign and then seeing it bleed during the final battle was truly haunting. Barring all that stuff about the ringed City anyway

>>377865823
THISS!!

For me, whats special about DS is that it nails atmosphere, everything else is very good too but the atmosphere is what makes the first experience so memorable.

Also finding that shortcuts lead you to bonfires or to Firelink Shrine too.

>>377868376
>>377868376
>The volcano is literally right behind the windmill

Excuse me Mr anon but then why can't you see the volcano from the outside?

>>377868575
I am installing DaS2 and I am going to speedrun to that area just to prove you wrong.

>>377866425
Are you fucking retarded? You could only teleport on DAS after beating like 70% of the game.

>>377867245
It's a meme to hate on DaS2, so of course the fan reviews are going to be biased.

>>377868151
What is this horrible thing that you made.

>>377868463
There's a bunch of other smaller examples too. Like for example look at the tower of flame from majula. Then look at majula from the Tower of flame. The position is wrong. Disregarding the fact that you go way too far for the amount of travel time you walk. You walk a couple of kilometers, and then you look back and you see you've suddenly traveled what looks like 20 miles.

Or how you get to No Man's Wharf from the Tower of flame. Which if you think about the amount of stairs you go down makes you wonder why you're not under water by the time you get to the cave system.

>>377868286
Don't worry anon, I also think Soul of Cinder is a great final boss. Though in general I don't think there's a problem with a sequel referencing and expanding on the lore from its predecessor. Only reason I take issue with DaS2 was because it seemed like at some point in development they wanted to do something totally new with it, but then shoehorned in references and didn't really do anything with them besides cheapen what they had created. DaS3 doesn't really pretend it's doing anything other than following up the first game.

>>377868645
I really appreciate that Mr. anon :^)

>>377868645
You don't even need to go that far before some environmental horseshit takes place. How about the single minute walk through a sewer to the Dragonslayer area that not a minute ago was a speck in the distance but now you're there, out in the ocean after walking INLAND.

>>377868151
This is very objective and I will agree with you

>>377868687
>opinions I don't like are "memes"

Par for the course on this site sadly

>>377868381
>>Rolling iframes tied to stats.
What's wrong with RPG elements in an ARPG?

>>Fucking horrid "shockwaves".
Every game has that.

>>Every boss is a fucking knight or O&S or gangbang squad.
You sure we're not talking about DaS3 here?

>>Uninspired atmosphere that even DS3 does better.
There's not even proper darkness in DaS3, even less than DaS2.

>>377868808
>You don't even need to go that far before some environmental horseshit takes place
I have not once said the game lacks environmental horseshit, I am only contesting this FALSE claim that there is an invisible volcano that is not directly behind the windmill.

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>>377868248
>People unironically think BB have good soundtracks

>>377868808
>>377868906
Also that could be explained as you just walking around the cape.

>>377868381
>Rolling iframes tied to stats
This has always been the case, just not explicitly

>>377859169

It's funny because the DS2 image is massively simplified while the DS3 image is given the impression of complexity when its world design is objectively the most basic and braindead in the entire series.

>>377868735
I think kind of the core problem with Dark Souls 2 is that it seems like it has nothing to do with anything. Dark Souls 1 was about buying the world a little bit of time before the world ends. Dark Souls 3 is about pretty much the same thing, doing whatever you can to buy the world a couple more months before it just dies. Dark Souls II has almost nothing to do with that and it's basically about a gold-digging queen and a king who disappeared. Well really it's about finding the answer about your Hollowing but the game kind of forgets that by the time you get to majula. But the point is it's kind of its own thing set aside from the First Flame.

>>377868906
I'm not the guy who said there isn't a volcano behind the windmill, but I will still contest that elevator making any sense ever.
>>377868981
And teleporting a day's walk away after a short switch puzzle.

>>377869029
This.
Remember, it's okay to hate on Dark Souls 2 and liking it is the wrong opinion here.

>>377858994
You mean Demon's Souls? That shit was fantastic

>>377868886
>What's wrong with RPG elements in an ARPG?
The previous two games focused more on the A, less on the RPG. Personally, I like how player skill can make up for lack of character strength, and the AGI stat gets in the way of that.

>Every game has that
Not as bad as DaS2.

>You sure we're not talking about DaS3 here?
2 games can have the same flaw.

>There's not even proper darkness in DaS3, even less than DaS2.
Atmosphere, not lighting.

>>377868981
Actually the explanation I got was that your Hollow brain is so addled that it's having difficulty judging the amount of time it takes for you to cross the country.

>>377869053
>And teleporting a day's walk away after a short switch puzzle.
Moving the goalposts again. How do you know the Huntsman's Copse is a days walk from Majula?

>>377869042
I always had the impression that rekindling the flame was an hard reset?

So what's even the point of doing that if it only prolongs the inevitable.

>>377867771
1: 89 positive
2: 87 positive
3: 88 positive

Seems even enough. 3 is excluding DLC because 3's dlc sucks.

>>377869115
>Personally, I like how player skill can make up for lack of character strength
Guess you hate Morrowind then, lol.

>Not as bad as DaS2.
Simple conjecture, not an argument

You haven't even finished DS2/SotFS. You have no valid opinion.

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>>377868808
>not knowing the transition areas represent miles of travel

>Dark Souls 1 takes place in a CITY
>Dark Souls 2 takes place in a NATION

Unless Dark Souls 2 went open world they would need level transition areas. While the windmill transition was a bit pants-on-head retarded, the others are perfectly fine.

>>377869123
correct

>>377868948
>bloodborne have good soundtracks
Don't have a stroke, anon.

>>377868886
See this is the real problem with DS2. Despite what you might believe it's okay to like a game the rest of /v/ doesn't like so much. The problem with DS2 fags is how fan boyish they are. Any problem someone has with DS2 is invalid or wrong or nitpicking. DS1 fags don't typically scream and cry when people point out that literally half the game is kind of shitty. They tend to accept it. You guys are way too defensive. It's the same thing that happened to Undertale.

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where's the fucking elevator lead to?

>>377869274
I'm still mad.
>did I just go UP an elevator into a volcano?

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>>377858994

world design of just fuck random combinations

>>377869248
You think that right? But everyone in Dark Souls 3 not only knows how the first flame works but now they've set up countermeasures and fail-safes for it. So either it is a hard reset and time is just so messed up that it's all running together or it's not a hard reset and Dark Souls II was just Dark Souls II.

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>DaS3 removes POISE
>somehow gets a free pass

It must be all the Bloodborne babies who never knew it existed in the first place.

>>377869194
You know what I meant.

>>377869289
That's just lazy then. They could have come up with anything to make it less baffling like you taking a ride to get somewhere.

>>377869383
That reminds me how somebody conducted an experiment with Dark Souls 1. They put down prism Stones everywhere and then went to other locations to see if they matched period and for the most part they did. There is only one part of the game where the world geometry didn't make sense and that was the demon ruins seems to float in the sky relative to Ash Lake. Other than that it was amazing how well everything matched up in Dark Souls 1

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>>377859169
ITT underage faggots like this guy out themselves as having DaS2 as their first souls game, never even played DaS much less Demons' Souls

>>377869474
Poise is a terrible mechanic. The real problem is that wearing heavy armor doesn't increase your defense any more than average armor would.

>>377869474
Not really. Everybody has complained in every way possible about how stupid Poise in Dark Souls 3. We've pretty much hit the point of acceptance at this point

>>377869474
The way poise could be built around in the first Dark Souls was fucking retarded. But they still fucked up with it in DaS3 and even though I don't give a shit about PvP, it's obvious how detrimental it was to that. Don't see how it got a free pass for it when DaS3 threads for the months that I checked them out were full of people complaining about it.

>>377868723
Time is convoluted

>>377868151
>DS2 being anywhere but dead fucking last in all those categories but PvP
W E W lad

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>>377869282
>Guess you hate Morrowind then, lol.
Never played it, dunno how it's relevant. Do I need to have a certain amount of /v/ cred or something?

>Simple conjecture
Wasn't as big a problem in any of the other games, so no, not conjecture.

>not an argument
>You haven't even finished DS2/SotFS.
XV-kun? Is that you?

>>377869725
>but muh lazy handwaving bs

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>>377869265
>DS1
Recent:90
Overall:89
>DS2
Recent:83
Overall:87
>DS3
Recent:91
Overall:88

>DS1/DS3 scores are rising while DS2 is reversed
>What's wrong?

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>>377869575

Yet another friendly reminder that if you didn't play DeS around release you'll never really be worth listening to about the series and were part of the cancer that came later. If you ever thought praise the sun spam was funny or cool you're a fucking goon.

>>377868151
>das2
>best pvp
Yeah, soul memory just makes for AWESOME balance and build variety.

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>>377858994
LMAO Soulsbabbies thinking their games are complex.

>>377869796
>xxshuffleboardxx
What a faggot.

>>377869986
What is the Agape Ring?

>>377866398
Prove me wrong.

>>377858994
The interconnectivity of 1 was nice but 2 and 3 aren't so heavily in the opposite direction that it was noticeable for me.
Just another nitpick /v/ will exaggerate about.

They didn't need to shoehorn all of the finished content into one area to save the pacing.

>>377870072
>it wasn't a problem for me so it's not a problem

Neat

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>>377869961
let's continue

>>377869963
I wonder how many people who parrot the praise the sun meme actually know how sad and miserable Solaire's story was?

>>377870026
>What is the Agape Ring?
Something that came months after the game release.

>>377860642
Having to walk sucks, its just backtracking to pad out the game's length.

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>>377868151
You should cease your existence, my man.

>>377870198
Naahhh man he's the epic sunbro 420praise it giant dad prepare to die haha lmao. well what is it?

>>377869476
>You know what I meant.
I know you're retarded. I am almost to the windmill on a NG+ for those of you waiting to be BTFOd

>>377870198
what is solaire's story?

>>377870440
Ah yes, I'm retarded for thinking that Bowser's lava land hiding on top of a crumbled windmill is fucking stupid. Uh huh.

>>377870301
Except the backtracking is rarely required. People have been spoiled by fast travel.

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>>377869939
1407+ PVP Players

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>Soulslets fighting among themselves instead of playing The Surge, aka the thinking man's game

>>377870459
Well his one goal that he tells you right off the bat is that he wants to find his own sun. We don't really know what that means, but we know that he really really wants to find it. He starts out really optimistic but the more time passes the more depressed and hopeless and miserable he becomes that he can't find it. In the end his story can end in one of two ways. Either he gets taken over by a cave bug that tricks him into thinking he found his own sun only for you to murder him and for him to slowly die in darkness. Or he can help you slay Gwyn and maybe set himself on fire which is an equally miserable ending but hey he became the Sun so it's fine right? At the end of the day there's no permutation of events that ends with Solaire being happy. But you wouldn't really know that with how popular he is

>>377870242
Try years. The original DaS2 didn't have it, and it took months for the Scholars re-release to get it.

>>377864761
>that image
Holy shit I didn't k ow anybody else shared that opinion

>>377870725
I'm not interested in it after how bad Lord of the Fallen was. I literally got it for free and don't plan to finish it.

>>377865089
Actually, I think you go through all but the far right side of it.

>>377870801
Well him rekindling the flame is an happy ending, it all would make more sense if they didn't retcon him being gwyn's firstborn though.

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>world-interconnectivity
>teleporting and how it affects the world
>PvP frame-data and hit-mechanics
>lore in general
No other game series on /v/ gets this complex to the point where people write monologues about the history of game mechanics, world design, and what it all 'truly means' while writing down every negligible detail that the gameoffers you. Holy shit.

Why can't you just enjoy the games or ignore them if you don't? What is it about Souls that attracts these people? Only other game I can think of with a similar over-zealous fanbase is Smash Bros.

>>377870071
im calling you a dumbass for saving a fucking thumbnail

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"Don't mind us, we're just killing the game's atmosphere by forcing you to warp back to us to level up."

>>377870801
>We don't really know what that means
You are his sun, anon. You were there with him all along

>>377870725
The only thinking required for this game is when you think about refunding it to get your money back.

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>>377869939
>Dark Souls II: Worst game I have ever played

>>377871073
>implying a deep and detailed discussion about a game series is a """"""bad"""""" thing

Go back to your e-celeb threads.

>>377871141
The Hunter's Dream is an important enough location and has enough thematic significance that I don't have a problem, atmospherically, with having to go there to level up. The only issue with it is the loading screens. It also isn't a Dark Souls game, so it has no obligation to adhere to Dark Souls' design standards, unlike DaS's sequels.

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>>377858994
Wow, what a blatant lie of an image. And after we just we had a massive thread shitting on 3. anyway:

>Dark Souls 3
>shortest game
>bonfires out the ass
>filled to the brim with shitty references
>massive amounts of on-disc cut content that will be sold as DLC
>rehashed areas in an already short game
>the worst, newbie/scrub favoring invasion system yet
>Armor variety is less than DS2 BASE game, despite copypasting a 3rd of the armors from previous games
>Magic needs 2-3 ring slots just to dish out melee level damage
>Magic itself does reduced damage for PvP
>removes a shit ton of spells from the previous game
>FP is the most awful casting management system introduced yet (worse than DeS mana, which had better regen options and more efficient)
>FP horribly ineffiecent with damage, ends up causing everyone to use 1 or 2 FP efficient spell like Great Heavy Soul Arrow
>Miracles awful, best and most viable one locked behind the final boss
>bland NG+
>awful covenants
>no blue eye orb
>blue sentinels and darkmoons the exact same
>left hand weapons no longer have full movesets
>dual wield weapons are gimmicks
>boss weapons can’t be infused
>Straight Swords and Curved Sword are as fast as daggers
>Great Weapons are slower than previous games, and costs more stamina, while barely doing more damage
>1-2 Weapons ALWAYS the best in class, no redeeming qualitys for special weapons resulting in less weapon variety than BB
>very little moveset variation
>WA are mostly shit or copypasted powerstance moves
>No backstep i-frame
>rolls have too much i-frames and cost too little stamina
>bloodborne enemies catered to R1 spam from ss and cs
>hexes gone and dark magic is shit
>shittiest dragon form
>no dragon covenant
>refined/hollow completely dominates
>DLC has so far been shit
>19 bosses, a good chunk being gimmicks
>linear level design, less branching options than DeS, DS2, and even BB
>b-but the DLC will save it!
>b-but other games have faults!
lmfao

>>377871278
I make a post saying I didn't like an area and someone comes over with a copypasta explaining why I'm wrong. That's not going to make me enjoy it any more, so what's the point?

>>377858994
>first game
>Dark Souls

>>377871585
I don't see any copy pasta in thread though. If you don't want people to argue with you then don't post your opinions. This is what video games discussion looks like. It's a bunch of angry sweaty nerds arguing about details that don't really matter. If you don't like it you can go back to your e-celeb shit or whatever floats your boat.

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>>377858994
Dark Souls 2 is a bad game period. You don't need to compare it to any other game, it's a poorly stitched together mess that barely works as intended.

>>377864462

>>377871889
How is this >>377871558 + infographs and webms considered "discussion" if they're posted in literally every thread

>>377869575
I always assumed Ash Lake is supposed to be like a different dimension almost, after you go through the tree. But then again maybe not since you can see Ash Lake from the Tomb of Giants

>>377872018
I don't come into these threads often enough to know if that's copy pasta or not. But if it is, you ignore it. But there's actual discussion going on here.

>>377868687
Yeah that's why it got poor reviews cuz it's a meme. It couldn't possibly be that people bought the game and were disappointed.

>>377868151
>best boss fights
>place DaSII in 2nd place

Stopped reading there.

why are people still defending DaS2?
the meme was supposed to end

>>377872308
Dark Souls being amazing is a meme. It's an ok game at best, but nobody dares voice that opinion when they're not anonymous because they'll be accused of being too bad at games to beat it or not understanding what makes it "great."

>>377872702
>but nobody dares voice that opinion

Now that IS a meme

>>377871141
On the one hand majula was maximum comfy but you never really get that opressive isolated atmosphere where when you can just beam back to comfyland. I rember getting to the blight town bonfire when i was still absolute trash and it felt like i was trapped in this deep isolated place surounded by death and dispairand the only way out was forward. Best comparison would be to imagine the atmosphere of the fellowship being deep in the mines of moria surounded by legions of goblins and and an unimaginable horror, now imagine that but now they can teleport out to rivendale or something whenever they want

>>377872702
I agree Souls might actually be the most over rated game of all time.
A decent challenge and a good dark fantasy "Alice in wonderland" atmosphere is all it really gives you.

>>377872702
>it is an ok game at best

Whoa, calm down there reddit man

It's and amazing game, Demons Souls was my favorite until I got my hands on it. It improved in every way, removed all the boring shit while adding a lot more, none of the other souls games, and very few other games in general can even compete, not even BB. Majoras Mask and Resident Evil 4 are some that hold ground against Dark Souls. It's one of the best games ever made, this will echo throughout history.

Are there any games that do what souls does (as in stage based, slightly open action rpg, focus on fragility and tension, with a huge variety of equipment all with different movesets, spells etc, with both co-op and competitive multiplayer) but better?

Heck, I'm finding it hard to think of a game that even -does- what souls game do beyond the obvious modern mimics

>>377873210
Agreed. Wandering somewhere unknown and having to climb out of the hole you dug yourself into because you can't just warp was great, and made getting the Lordvessel that much more of a relief.

>>377864761
>that image
yes

>>377873547
Dark Souls is basically 3d Igavania with platforming scrapped for a much more fleshed out combat system.

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>>377859169
fuckin 10/10

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wow it's another my opinion >>>>>> your opinion thread about dark souls
how refreshing

Darksouls would have been objectively the greatest videogame ever made if the lead up to the climax wasnt the worst quality content ive ever seen.Im 100% sure the demon ruins were thrown together by one guy over the span of a lunch break and the centipede demon, one of the coolest looking bosses that most people forget exists, was never ment to be fought that way, they just never finished it and threw in the lava after they realized they had no time in an atempt to cover that up, then izalith, the coolest location in the series , being dragon buts and boring statues

>>377872702
I think saying its ok at best is a bit of a lowball, its a good game, just heavily overrated, honestly its not that much better than Dark Souls II.

>>377870190
What the fuck is that jump?

because 2 was a rush job and 3 was leftovers from bloodborne

>>377874056
I like the oppressive darkness of the Tomb of the Giants but after the initial cool Factor wears off you do start to realize how annoying it is. Duke's archive I tend to forget exist. Lost izalith is a cool concept marred by some of the worst execution ever committed by a human

what are you talking about? dark souls always felt like AAA rpg
Demon's Souls felt like a love letter to old school rpgs and had the perfect atmosphere

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>>377858994
>>377868047
this is the best i've got

>>377870536
"Back in my day we had to go to someone's house to talk to them, now you kids just send a text message!"

>>377874293
Seriously the lore build up then finally getting under the giant dome and seeing the ancient SE asian architecture hidden underneath was neat as hell, way cooler than anor londo even, then you actually play the level

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