>"A story can only be contained in a book." What

hes butthurt that the witcher game series was a massive success compared to how well his books did

What about stories told by storytellers in ye olden days

>>377818646
He's just mad that he didn't take the royalties, so he's shitting on video games and dismissing their qualities to make up for his stupidity.
He's a literal manchild autist, he would fit in perfectly here.

>>377818646
Can someone add "The witcher was a mistake" at the bottom

Modern scifi & fantasy writers seem to be a little bit retarded for some reason desu

What about movies?

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Stop playing games.

>>377818646
He's right, although the Witcher books are terrible.
This is also why the Witcher games have terrible plots.

>>377818646
Lol. What about Shakespeare?

>>377820241
He's not at all right you mongoloid. If it were true several mediums wouldn't have existed for the millennia that they have.

>>377820519
They all decayed, though.
Movies are a big, fat joke nowadays, and videogames are still incapable of telling decent stories because fucking no one knows how to tell one properly without filling the game with cutscenes.

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>>377820241
>>377820598

>>377820598
Using blanket-statements to support a claim that can be disproved with a single example (eg. Shakespear). You really are a moron.

>>377820598
>because fucking no one knows how to tell one properly without filling the game with cutscenes
You havent played very many games then

>>377820781
>haha, you don't like my story which is nothing but a bunch of unoriginal characters and red clues orbiting around the biggest mary sue in gaming, le hat meme

>>377820889
I played the games that supposedly have the "best stories" like Deus Ex, MGS, Thief, KOTOR and The Witcher.
Only thing I found were blockbuster-tier stories told in a clunky way through simple cutscenes.
No one stood out in any way.
That's why I simply decided to stick to multiplayer games since they focus on the actual strength of this media, which is gameplay.

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>>377820897
Well spoken, my good gentlesir.

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>>377818646
>Sapkoswki
Look, man. I like your work but you need to loosen up and stop being so bitter you didn't cash in on the games.

>>377821028
It's okay to have shit taste anon.

>>377821178
Oh yeah sorry, Anon, must have hurt your feelings.
Have you watched GOTG2?
I heard it's fucking epic.

>>377820598
So because you hate movies (and only blockbuster movies, it seems like) today, it now invalidates the entire medium? History and all?

>>377821028
>I know what a good story is
Okay

>>377821514
Lack of talent and the rewarding of tterrible movies invalidates it.

>>377821541
I do, and I do know videogames are incapable of telling one.
At most, they tell stories that would fit Marvel movies.
The moment I realized the generic family drama of the Bloody Baron was what everyone here was praising as a writing masterpiece was just sad.

>>377818646
He's autistic moron

>>377820598
there are still good movies anon they're just not produced by hollywood for the sole purpose of making money, usually. art film festivals have existed for decades and are still going strong.

He's just mad the game story was better and more popular than the books he wrote and that he didn't get any money.

Entirely his fault for going lump sum and not royalties.

*receives check from jewflix*

just kidding idiots tune in for show please bye

>>377818646
>"I'm old and narrow-minded"
that's what he meant.

>>377821304
>it's an anon shits on things and tries to act superior episode

I've seen this one way too many times.

>>377821681
And those art film festivals have been taken over by the same people who think taking a shit on a blank canvas is art.

>>377821028

>multiplayer focuses on gameplay

No anon, it focuses on achievements and online leaderboards and jerking off to the latest loot crate you have to unbox. It's no better than a cinematic movie-game. What's true vidya kino is a singleplayer game that puts all its effort into the gameplay.

>>377821563
>Lack of talent
Explain.
> the rewarding of tterrible movies
And that just makes me repeat my base question. The most popular books these days are complete trash as well, so would that not by your own reasoning make literature invalidated?

>>377821691
>le *action*
Who let fat as fuck redditors in here?
Did you know greentexting exists?

>>377821681
no ur wrong i have seen the recent hollywood blockbuster that was bad and thus from my ivory tower i declare all modern media shit

>>377821647
>At most, they tell stories that would fit Marvel movies.

Yes we already know your retarded, you don't need to keep talking.

>>377821791
No, not really, I play them because I have fun.
Don't really care about cosmetics or leaderboards.

>What's true vidya kino
>kino
Oh, you are one of those.
Bye.

>>377822023

Look, I enjoy multiplayer games too, but let's not pretend that the current esports trend is anything but jerking off one's ego online for digital dick points. Alsong with that, when people stop playing the game, it stops being fun. Singleplayer doesn't have that issue.

>>377821998
Now, now, Mr. anon, defend your opinions to the class.

>>377821998
Oh, Anon, sorry, I really liked the story about doing favors to do favors to do favors to know where the sorceress who is also a witcher and can teleport through space and time and is also the heir to the biggest empire on Earth might have been a while ago.
And the very bad guy with edgy armor and a skull mask who started speaking in a very deep tone when he put on the very evil skull mask was very compelling.

>>377822140
Oh no, eSports have to die, but it's easy avoiding eSport-bait videogames like Overwatch.

>Singleplayer doesn't have that issue.
No, singleplayer games just end up growing boring after a while.

>>377818646

It means he only just sold the rights for a TV series cause he's a fat money grubbing malcontent asshole. Also a salted pretzel polac over the Witcher game series becoming a gigantic hit when he sold the rights for pennies, thinking people wouldn't give a shit..

>>377822262

>No, singleplayer games just end up growing boring after a while.
And that's what modding is for.

>>377821836
You are arguing with someone that doesn't bother with logic, why bother?

>>377822167
Why should I? He clearly isn't interested in doing to the.

>>377822172
I don't even know what your talking about here. Is it supposed to be an argument?

>>377822390
Something that's only in about 0.1% of all videogames?
And the most moddable games, like Skyrim, are terrible games that won't be fun no matter how many mods you install.

>>377818646
>Buy my books

>>377821747
go back to normiebook grandpa

>>377822451
*doing so

No idea why it auto corrected to that.

>>377819271
Loved this guy at Pyrkon.

>Sapkowski
You can always rely on a literally who to bitch and moan about nonsense.

>>377822507

That's not even an accurate percent? Shoot, I think I've modded every game in my library.

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video game playing philistines will never understand the sheer verisimilitude that can only be attained by a novel

>>377822427
Because now I know it's 100% certified bait.

imagine being as much of a jaded neckfat as the autist itt.

>>377822759
oh god i'm going to puke

>>377818734
That and he didn't ask for royalties in his deal with cdpr, just a flat sum.

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He's 100% right of course.

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>>377821791
>>377822140
>>377822262
Why is the World Jewery so yottatriggered by Digital Sports, the Hammer on Normies?

Is it the grass-roots emergence? The glorification of intellectualism over barbarism?

>>377821028
Ever played the last of us

>>377818646
Well most forms of media have other things mixed in, video games have everything from art to stories to music to create a combined experience.
Only a book can contain just a story.

Video games are really not a good medium to convey a compelling story. Their primary purpose is entertainment.

>>377823489
Once, dropped it after 5 hours.
Surprisingly entertaining multiplayer though.

>>377823487

Because when you force esports into a game, it becomes unfun.

>>377823589
Yeah, but I'm asking about the story. Was it that or the gameplay you didn't like

>I play vidya for the storee
Signs of a philistine

>>377823558
You could say the exact same thing about movies and novels.

>>377823732
The gameplay actually shined in the multiplayer, the singleplayer just created some really boring situations with an obnoxious focus on moving ladders.
The story was unremarkable, it just didn't make me feel anything.
Coupled with the boring level design, I just had to drop it.

>>377823558

I refute your stance by presenting Legacy of Kain. Videogames are as good, or as bad, as the people who make them, the same as with any other art form. I guarantee books weren't nearly as compelling when they were still in their infancy as vidya is.

>>377821028
Go play Soul Sacrifice you fucking heathen.

Videogames aren't art, they're instruments.

>>377824012
Not him but
>just another one of Sony's desperate attempts to cover up the massive gap Monster Hunter left in the Vita's catalog
Also, wasn't Soul Sacrifice 2 supposed to come out in 2015?

>>377823489
Have you ever seen Children of Men?

>>377824031
Video games are toys, and nobody can refute that.

>>377824031

No, instruments are the hardware used to convey art. That would be PCs or consoles. Even if videogames weren't art you'd still be wrong, congratulations.

>>377824118
The only similarity is the setting really. And even then it's a pretty flimsy connection.

>>377823910
Naughty dog needs to get over their bad habit of using ladders as transition tools. Personally I like the uniqueness of the gameplay (multiplayer especially) and I thought it was up there for a good character story

http://www.sfwa.org/members/aburt/StingManuscript.pdf

>>377824323
Similar plot outline, similar human dystopia, certain characters match up in archetypes, etc. Take out the zombies, and they're pretty similar.

>>377818646
>What did he mean by this?
excellent maymay my friend! Have an upvote!

>>377818646
I hope I never become as butthurt and out of touch like Sapkowski

>>377824547
>a guy has to escort the future of humanity in a world going to hell

That's the similarity. The characters have different interactions and motivations, the theme is different, the message is different. They are only superficially alike.

>>377824109
A sequel would be dumb as shit considering how well SSD ends.

Also, yeah, the gameplay is actually pretty shit. But it's got one of the best stories I've ever played.

Reminds me of how Socrates thought the written word was stupid and dumb and reading books would turn people into idiots.

Just salty as old men who don't understand new things, and thus reject them. Add to that him losing out on all that money for being an idiot and he's extra salty.

>>377821028
Specify what is necessary for a good story and name ten (10) good stories then, anon. You won't.

>>377825282
He's right though, videogames are simply incapable of telling decent stories.
TW3 is proof of that, and due to bad stories being rewarded, they'll continue being terrible.

>>377822524

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZg8E72xXFA

I need to binge-watch this show sometime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBhR4QcBtE
the old "show don't tell" dictum in writing is really important even if it's a cliche and overly broad

But it's important. The whole point of stories is that you experience them yourself, by taking the raw input from the narrative (just like the raw input from living) and turning it into an impression in your mind (just like the impression of living). Bad writers, bad movies, most TV and most games simply relate to you the impression they mean for you to take from it. That's what makes it hollow. Your brain receives an assembled Lego set, and it turns out that an assembled Lego set is just a shitty toy.

Good prose/phrasing and "interesting" plots are not enough to make a game into a great story. I don't think that anyone will prove the Eberts of the world wrong unless they set out to make an experience that asks something of the player beyond just playing through the game.

>>377826196
me too

>>377825904
>this big open world game has a boring story and characters so all video games do
ok

>>377825904
I've played Earthbound, that alone proves games can tell good stories.

Unless you're memeing on me and using one of the authors own stories in game form as irony.

>>377825282
Socrates never said the written word was stupid and people reading them would turn into idiots, he said people had a tendency to believe things just because they were written, and that was stupid and made people idiots. He was correct then, and he's still correct.

>>377826196
>>377826547
Go do it right now it's good. avoid the webisodes like the plague

>>377826472
>I don't think that anyone will prove the Eberts of the world wrong
Nobody needs to prove them wrong. They have a reductionist viewpoint based on inexperience with the medium.

>that asks something of the player beyond just playing through the game.
What do you mean? Like critically thinking about the story or setting? I can think of plenty of games that ask that.

>>377820241
cmon, hes fun enough.

hes assmad that he didn't ask for royalties so is getting fucked
knowing how stupid and petty this motherfucker is he probably isn't asking for royalties from netflix either and will get fucked there too

>>377820897
>Unoriginal
forgive my literature knowledge, but i dont really know any others superheroes for hire that hated and feared by peasants and fucks powerful magic bitches (and everyone else) like its nothing.

>>377818646
Means the only oral tradition he knows is sucking cock to pay the rent

>>377827497
Yeah, he fucks those magic bitches, god, Geralt is so fucking BADASS.
Well, gonna go watch some pewdiepie vids.

>>377826695
It's true that was part of his argument, but he also argued that no one would ever learn from reading books, and their memory would grow lax. It's very clear from the way he spoke of the written word that he believed it could not educate people or help them learn new things, and that was stupid and wrong of him.

>>377827497
Minus the for hire part, and you got Spiderman. A large portion of civilians hate him and treat him like a menace, and he regularly fucks tons of hot, super powered women.

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What is the tax policy in the Northern Kingdoms like?

>>377818646
He doesn't know that historically, stories were told vocally by traveling bards and entertainers.

>>377818646

>take a small lump sum
>Get buttblasted when you sold your rights because you believed they would flop and simply wanted easy money

He played it smart though with the series thats coming to tv, so he wont bash them at all.

why do people keep repeating this bullshit about him being butthurt about money? he's an old fart who's living very comfortably. he doesnt care. the only thing he cares about is his magnum opus being tarnished by those silly games. his works being published with game art on the cover and turbonormies thinking they're fanfic based on the games. ths is what pisses him off

He's not wrong. I enjoy story in video games, but I enjoy it with full awareness of the fact that it's always complete shlock. If I seriously want to be invested in a good story that I'll take an active interest in, I'll read a book. I've been playing video games for 20 years and I'm yet to find a single one with a story that could go toe-to-toe with a well-written novel. And that makes sense – when you have one form of media that does nothing but tell a story, and another where the story is tacked-on to something else, the story-focused one is obviously going to win. One of the reasons why video game stories are always so bad is because they're contrived to fit around gameplay. It's like the difference between anime and actual cinema. Anime is bad objectively, but it's still enjoyable bad. Game stories are the same compared to books.

>>377818860
Lmao

>>377829212
Then maybe he shouldn't have let them make games based on his books?
He wanted this, he got it. He has forfeited all right to complain.

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>>377818646
He looks like fucking Sidorovich from STALKER in the thumbnail.

>>377818646
>"A story can only be contained in a book."

Well I guess that songs, oral tradition and epic poetry didn't exist before books then. Fucking oops - how do you fuck up this bad as an author? It's not like stories haven't been around since mankind first evolved the ability to speak. Before books people wrote poetry, composed songs and had oral tradition to tell stories. And let's not forget that pictures tell a story too, so I guess painting's out of the picture as well.


If that is what he actually said that is some of the stupidest shit ever. Let alone that he's implying that a game cannot tell a story. which is fucking dumb. Even a game like Mario Bros. tells a basic story - you're the hero, Bowser's the villain, you have to save the princess. The thing is that a game uses all of the elements mentioned above to tell it's story. Plus interactivity, so that YOU tell the story as you play it as well. Paintings/Graphics to visualise what's happening, music to accomany the story, and occasionally words to verbalise something. Books only use words. They are not naturally superior by being limited like that.

>>377823376
haha i wonder what steve's farts smell like
just curious

>>377818646
>>377830367
He wasn't talking in general. He was talking about how the witcher games can be rather regarded as adaptation of his books rather than canon continuation. He believes that bringing Geralt from death is retarded. Also that interview was poorly translated to english and most quotes lack any sort of context.

>>377820598
Confirmed wrong.

The Binding of Isaac tells its story 90% without using cutscenes.

Isaac is in the basement (hiding or interacting with his subconscious) unlocking various memories and finding memorabilia to his past.
Eventually he fights his mother in the basement and progresses to the womb, trying to fulfill that freudian need to return into the mother.

Let's take one of the items. If Isaac finds the Wooden Spoon, he gets a speed up. He also has quite a lot of red marks on his skin in the form of wooden spoons. After putting some thought into it, it's clear that his mother abused him with the wooden spoon and he tried to run away from that torture by running, hence the speed up. Not one word of exposition is needed to convey that to the player.

Same goes for finding an item like Crickett's head. Isaac finds the decapitated head of a beloved pet, and proceeds to cry harder. It's clear that his mother does some fucked up shit to him in the name of religion.

Isaac tells its story through gameplay. It's the definition of a video game that doesn't resort to cinematic devices for storytelling. Your claim is bullshit.

>>377830998
>binding of isaac
lmao that game's story is garbage

>>377818860
Him not taking royalties at the time and preferring to take a flat sum was actually a smart decision. Shame he's salty about it.

>>377828839
He only played it smart cause he fucked himself. It would be funny if the TV series flops though.

>>377830959
Until it's been properly translated I stand by my point. It seems like he is bitter because he didn't cash into the games full on. He only took a one-time payment because he thought the games wouldn't pan out.

Then the games became way more popular than his books, and he claimed the opposite of that. Although the games sparked a huge increase in sales, being translated into many different languages and re-released in all kinds of bookstores, he is mad. And I can understand that. He came up with all of this and became a side not to his own creation. Yet his bitterness shows what kind of a person he is. He could have been happy
a) to make more sales because of the games
b) see a younger, wider, non-polish audience get immersed in his work
c) that tremendously great games were made with his IP instead of bad tie-in games that are utterly lore-inconsistent.

Let's not forget that the devs gave a shit, and made a world that was as true to Sapkowski's vision as possible. And that they basically tell you in-game "if you don't know this shit, seriously fuck off and read the books." It's not like they were highway robbers out to make a buck on his costs.

>>377829212
It is about money though. He was always spiteful towards video games and considered them worthless, yet , rather than reject the offer to turn The Witcher into a game, he accepted money and let them have the rights to his 'magnum opus'. He went against his ideals for money, and when his actions bit him in the ass and the games were huge successes and he doesn't get a cent from it, he bitched about it and thinks the games are tarnishing his works. He's an old man who sold his rights for money and is now bitter he's not getting more money, he did all of this to himself and thus it's laughable when he acts so salty

>>377831118
For being an indie-game it's alright. And I wasn't talking about the quality of the story, I was talking about how it was told. And it was told in a way that most games don't.

Final Fantasy 7 may be a great game with a great story, but most of it is told in cutscenes and dialogue boxes. It tells it's story more like an anime than a game.

>>377831701
It's fucking reprehensible how he sells his principles for money and blames other people for it. You can't have principles and whore them out just for a wad of cash and pretend you're on the higher moral ground.

And the fact still stands that the devs handled his IP respectfully, even to the point that they tell players indirectly to buy and read the books in the game.

>>377819142
The Metro 2033 writer said the Witcher writer was a fucktard because of this. Metro 2033 writer loves the dosh

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>>377818646
>Maladie

>>377829817
To imply that video games or anime have inherent garbage stories and there hasn't been a single at least good one is stupid and incredibly pretentious

>>377831583
He is bitter grumpy old man that lived most of his life in communism. Hell, most old fol poles are like that. He never stated that games are bad though, actually when presented with witcher 1 art he said that they are decent but he can't evaluate the games quality because he is not a gamer.

He is not playing games because he feels they are too time consuming and to hard to get into for him, again it's understandable. What he hates though is that publishers took his books and gave them god awful tw2 covers with characters from the games, generally turning his books into nerdy gaming merchandise for autistic kids. That's primarily why he is pissed at games. On the popularity, you need to understand, in the 90s there was no witcher games and the books were crazy popular not only here in Poland but in Spain, Germany, Russia and all slavic countries. It's pity that english publishers never took interest in translating them but if not for books there would be no witcher games.

>>377820241
He's not right at all and a total hypocrite because hes on board for the netflix series kek. Hes a butthurt alcoholic who made the wrong choices in life.

>>377823489
>recommending oscarbait of videogames with an unlikable protagonist who focuses on murder while trying to be painted as a good guy
>not recommending LISA

>>377829817
There are a lot of games with shirty stories, but to say all games just have tacked on stories that don't fit is just wrong. But that's besides the point, what the man is saying is that ONLY books can tell stories, which is invalidating countless forms of art and storytelling, all because hea a salty author.

>>377832706
TV shows are a better storytelling medium than videogames.

>>377820598
>>377821028

this guy is right and people are just angry at him because they have bad taste and he insulted their faves

>>377833075
Nope. Video games are the most nuanced form of medium to ever exist in human history period.

>>377833060
>while trying to be painted as a good guy

It's really like you guys didn't play the game.

>>377828687
Socialism, reflecting sapkowski's view where a skilled proffessional training all his life for dangerous job and requiring pay for it is evil, neutral at best.

>>377833186
manchild spotted

He don't like them there video games for young'uns

They are mere toys in the face of books

>>377820241
I liked the first two books.

>>377831216
>a smart decision

Well time certainly proved him wrong, eh?

Reminder that if you play videogames for the story that you are one of the normies ruining them.

>>377833721
The short story collections are really good, the novels start out ok but become an absolute fucking trainwreck as they go on and Ciri gets older

I got halfway through Tower of Swallows and just stopped because it was so bad

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>>377832196 >>377818646
>"I think that he's totally wrong, and that he's an arrogant motherfucker," says Dmitry Glukhovsky from his Moscow flat, in response to Sapkowski's claim.
>"Without the gaming franchise, the Witcher series would never get this crazy international readership that it has. And it's not just about the gamers but the gaming press and the buzz it creates, and just the feeling of something great and massive and impressive coming out. This got people hooked. He would remain a local Eastern European phenomenon without this, but he would never break into the West. And the same goes for my Metro books."

Based Glukhovsky

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>a story can only be contained in a book
>Proceeds to make a TV series
What did he mean by this?

>>377835370
>He would remain a local Eastern European phenomenon
Should've.

>>377835370
He really isn't wrong. Sapkowski is just being a pissy little baby because the contract he signed was a one-time payment that he accepted for whatever fucking reason. Now that the series is popular and raking in the do$h he's butthurt as fuck that he didn't try to get % based royalties.

>>377835703
He accepted because he thought the game is gonna be shit and not sell well. Well now CDRP has a shitload of money and he doesn't, so he's salty as fuck.
Also drinks way too much and talks too much shit.

>>377835703
>the contract he signed was a one-time payment that he accepted for whatever fucking reason
HE LITERALLY CHANGED TO IT OUT OF HIS OWN RETARDATION

I thought the Witcher was a perfectly good series of books, stories fitting in with those pulp novellas written for fantasy magazines, but obviously before the Witcher games they were at best cult classics being hyped up by a handful of dual-linguists who could actually read them in polack and then hype them up with foreigners who couldn't. I tore through some fan translations of the latter books because the official publisher is STILL years behind of releasing them all in AMERICAN. Without the publicity the games brought they probably would've remained largely unknown cult classics.

>>377818646

Just looking at him you can taste the salt

>>377835370
based metro man

>>377818646
undertale uses the medium to its fullest and tells a fucking amazing story.

>>377834031
Hindsight is 20/20, Anon. He'd have to have been a fool to pick the royalties instead of full sum back then, nobody could have expected the first game's success.

>>377836813
"It was a good idea at the time" doesn't mean it was the smart thing to do.

>>377836813
No anon, regardless of if you know something wil succeed or not, you always take royalties, because maybe, just maybe, it will succeed, and then you make bank. Some of the biggest franchises were a result of the authors selling the rights for a single lump sum, hell, Tolkein took a lump sum cause he beloved no one could make his books into movies, sure he died before the movies came out, but it just shows how a moment of ignorance, idiocy or disbelief could rob you of a shit ton of money later on.

>>377838509
imagine Tolkien's face when they made 3 films out of the fucking Hobbit
>all these films, even filler, but not gay little poems