Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able

>>377789191
whats this?

>>377789553
A gaming division shooting itself in the foot.

how do people that dumb manage to get jobs that pay that high?

>>377789191
is he calling his customers retards?

I wish nothing but hate on this fucking clown. Watching Microsoft torpedo an entire brand in a single presentation is one of the most satisfying things I've ever seen.

https://youtu.be/LrvE3B5Rz6A

This and the constant FUCK YOU mentality with online connectivity and pre-owned games killed the Xbox forever.

>>377789191
they didn't think this through

>>377789553
when xbox 1 was announced to be always online some reporter asked what about players that dont have access to internet 24/7 and that asshat shot himself in the foot by saying that. as a young sonybro i was so happy knowing xbone was DOA

>>377789985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzDsYEPkSc4

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>>377790173

It was the Dorito Pope

We witnessed the Dorito Pope murder a man's career on live television.

>Fortunately we will start to charge for online play, #4ThePlayers
Based fucking Sony! I already preordered three PS4s!

>>377790173
>as a young sonybro i was so happy knowing xbone was DOA
I wasn't. I knew that without competition Sony would become more cancerous than ever. Sadly, I was right.

>>377790562
Ego is a known way to fuck yourself.

Nintendo's ego fucked them with the N64.

After PS2, Sony got cocky with the PS3, it fucking set them back almost generations.

Nintendo got uppity after the success of the Wii. They thought the Wii U would sell the same, didn't even bother to properly market it. Crashed and burned.

Microsoft's ego got the better of them after the 360. Thought they had the market sown up.

Never, EVER, get lazy and greedy.

>>377791004
this

>>377791004
The difference is that when Sony were cocky with the PS3. People complained.
When Sony were cocky with the PS4, it became their biggest success of the decade.

We're never ever going to recover from this. Sony went full cancer. People accepted it and rewarded Sony for it. And now it's an industry wide standard that's never going away. Literally more lucrative than game sales. More important to them than games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

What did they mean by this?

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In all honesty it wouldn't have been possible for anyone to sell X-Box One with the way they decided to do it.

>>377791239
Sony didn't fuck up as badly with the PS4. They priced it far more competitively for a start. Then they started doing the exact opposite of Microsoft's retarded policies.

It's not that Sony won this generation. It's that everybody else lost.

It boggles my mind that anyone past the age of 13 gets excited about consoles

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>>377791315
I know a guy

does the X1 have any games?

>>377791359
>They priced it far more competitively for a start.
Because $399 + $60 a year is so much cheaper than $499, right?

>>377791515
Yes sweetie, $399 + $60, is indeed cheaper than $499 + $60, I'm so proud of you.

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>>377789191

I remember this

I felt bad for xbox owners when this happened

Dumbass phil will literally end microsoft thinking he's helping it

>>377791315
Kek. That interviewer's face. He actually can't believe how detached from reality Don is. Commercial suicide right here.

>>377791359
The PS4 was no joke more expensive than the PS3.

I have absolutely no idea why no one realized that.

>>377791562
The PS4 was $399 + an additional annual cost of $60 a year.
The PS3 was just a flat out $499 with no annual cost attached to it.

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>>377791629
That's the dorito pope.

>>377791315
Just lie the nintendo way, "we'll release patches in the future, maybe".
Look at the Switch, 2 months later still no Web browser nor netflix and no one gave a shit.

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>>377789756
>How does Marie Antoinette ever come into power?

>>377791830
>Gabe before he became a victim of capitalistic success
>Geoff as a young on-the-ground journalist doing interviews with a 90s tape recorder

Makes me feel strange. Something like nostalgic, but different.

>>377789756
Nepotism

>>377791515
>>377791562
>>377791753
PS3 was $599 you fucking morons
nobody bought the 20gb version

>>377791913
>Gabe before he became a victim of capitalistic success
Gabe was already a millionaire before he founded Valve...

>>377792039
>nobody bought the 20gb version
That's flat out false.
That said. It was still $399 + an additional cost of $60 a year. Versus a flat $599. Even with the more expensive version.
I vehemently oppose >>377791359's statement of
>They priced it far more competitively for a start.

>>377792164
I was quite clearly talking about the PS4 - it was way more reasonably priced than the PS3. Sony had learned their lesson.

>>377792114
And he was surrounded with other millionaires. Then he got 'fuck you' rich. Also it's a matter of time. Being rich for a long time is like carrying the One Ring.

>>377792164
>That's flat out false.
a lot of places didn't even stock it. I take it you were too young in 2006 to experience it first hand?
The 20gb model was also discontinued in mid 2007

>>377791515
>>377791562
>>377791753
>>377792164
to split hairs one might have had no interest playing online thus the $50 at launch ($60 price mark happen around Halo Reach) was debatable if it matter to you where Oblivion was the top seller the first holiday after launch and Gold didn't take off till 07 it's a safe bet that most didn't start eating into most users wallet.

>>377791865
How do you connect a Switch at a wifi hotspot that requires you to authenticate first? Like the I accept page or a login page?

>>377792298
>I was quite clearly talking about the PS4
As was I.
>it was way more reasonably priced than the PS3.
It really, really, wasn't though. It really wasn't. It's just 3 and a half years for the PS4 to become overtake the PS3 in price.
That's not "way more reasonably priced". The PS4 literally ends up more expensive than even the most expensive PS3 model.

>>377792351
>The 20gb model was also discontinued in mid 2007
And they sold out. Where I am from there were also plenty in stock.

>>377792575
>And they sold out
>there were also plenty in stock
which was it anon?

the 20gb model did so poorly they axed it barely half a year after it launched. Are you so dense that you think they would discontinue a successful product?

>>377792625
>which was it anon?
Both. There were plenty of them. And then they sold out.

>>377792575
>ps4 launch
>$399 + $60/year (PS+ is OPTIONAL)

>ps3 launch
>$599 (Literally nobody bought the $499 model and it wasn't even available everywhere)

ps3 has a far larger initial outlay which is what consumers care about.

>>377792681
Nice of you to ignore the second half of the post.
You're wrong, sorry bro. Good thing that this is an anonymous imageboard, so you can now leave with your ego intact

I've been spamming xbone/kinect jokes in TF2 chat all day

Don't start threads with my jokes

>>377790249
Sauce on this? I love the Pope.

>>377792575
Nigga are you fucking dense?

The PS3 launch price was $599. Six hundred fucking dollars. It almost killed Sony.

The PS4, a vastly more powerful piece of tech, was priced at launch $399. That's 200 fucking dollars than the PS3 was a t launch.

200 fucking dollars cheaper! What don't you understand?

>>377789191
It is incredible how someone actually had the audacity to suggest buying an older model over their new product that they desperately wanted to sell.

>>377792774
I didn't ignore it. I just didn't comment on it.
What's your point even? They were readily available. People bought all of them.
If you wanted one, they were easy to get.

I am not going to argue that they were selling as fast as the bigger model or anything like that because that'd be false. But claiming that no one bought the smaller model when they made tons of them and they all eventually sold out. Is silly. Since they sold out.

It's no wonder that the model was discontinued. But at the same time that entire line of production sold out. Plenty of people bought them.
What's your point even?

But you can just call me Robert Xbox

>>377793015
>200 fucking dollars cheaper! What don't you understand?
$60 a year. Sixty dollars a year! What don't you understand?

>>377793038
>i-it was really successful, I swaer!!1!11
>so successful sony discontinued it!!

fucking moron.

>>377791562

Love me some sweetie posting

>>377793089
>60$for an optional service
>a service you can just not give a fuck about
Oh noes.

I don't see the issue with this. They could've lied through their teeth and said "Nah you'll be fine" but they were forthcoming with the DRM practice AND THEN changed it when they saw the market didn't like the original vision.

>>377793015
All the tears because of 599 US dollars is why native BC will never become a thing ever again.

>>377793132
>>i-it was really successful, I swaer!!1!11
I never said that. I only ever said plenty of people bought it.
If you wanted a PS3 at launch, it was available for $499 and you could have easily gotten the 20gb model for that price.

>>377793038
>>377793089
$399 + $60 is cheaper than $599

$399 + $60 is also cheaper than $499

plus the $60 is optional.
go back to school.

>>377793089
You don't need PSN+ if you don't play MP games.
I just got a PS4 for BB, Persona5, TLG and Nioh.

And after 3 months of PSN+ to mess around with BB PvP, I realized it's not that good and never bothered again.

>>377793258
>+ $60
+ $60 each year*

>>377793291
+ $60 optional** each year

and once again, it doesn't even matter. The initial outlay is far more important than tacked on costs down the line.

>>377793176
im sure potentially getting sued out the ass for putting out a worthless product otherwise had nothing to do with it.

>>377793398
>The initial outlay is far more important than tacked on costs down the line.
That's literally the opposite of the truth.

>>377789191
If he had just waited a few years longer to say that kind of shit he'd have had people eating it up.

People already let themselves get fucked to death by Early Access, pre-orders, day 1 DLC, crowdfunding, etc. What's another notch on the belt that's beating you?

>>377793398
this is some 7year old logic

>>377789191
At least the X360 has games. The Bone was a huge mistake.

Can't blame them for the $500 price really. The kinect was actually successful on 360, about a third of 360 owners had one. If they said it would have 360 BC at launch, it would have been pretty much equal today. The worst part of it, was losing all the loyal 360 owners who then went to get a PS4. Getting those guys back is hard

>>377793465
>360 launch
>pay extra for wifi
>pay extra for play n charge
>pay extra for hard drive
>pay extra for HD DVD
>pay extra for online
>major success

>ps3 launch
>bluray, wifi, hard drive, play n charge, online; all free
>flopped

anon you're just pretending to be retarded right?

>>377793597
>Can't blame them for the $500 price really

I absolutely can

>>377793651
>anon you're just pretending to be retarded right?
No. But I'll take the opportunity to call all the people who bought 360s thinking they were cheaper than the PS3, retarded. Because that was most certainly not the case in essentially all of the cases.
That people don't realize that it ends up being more expensive doesn't change the facts. The costs down the line matter a lot more since they're the costs that adds up.

>>377793831
Paying more money over the course of several years is much more preferable to consumers than a higher initial cost.

You see it time and time again.
I'm not discounting the fact that extra costs add up, but they're just not the most important factor when consumers buy a product. (in general, of course there are situations where consumers do care about extra costs, eg the fuel efficiency of a car)

The funniest part of all this lead to how Sony literally aced the reveal of PS4 by just being a solution to a problem that didn't even exist. All they did was state the basics, show off some cool shit, pretend pre-owned discs are the best thing in mankind's history since bacon and make it 100 dosh less.

Instant Win,
Their presentation was an absolute annahilation , and sales figures clearly gave them a comfortable lead to this very day. And the best part is that Microsoft was the one who gave them the gun powder.

There are many things I dislike about Sony, but coming from someone who is studying marketing and PR they deserve an applause and a good grade on his papers and a nice tick in every box.

>>377793947
>Paying more money over the course of several years is much more preferable to consumers than a higher initial cost.
That's just because your average consumer is fucking retarded and has no sense of business or economy.

>>377793209
Which is a shame, because I had my PS3 at launch, granted, I had the 20gb version. I loved it and thought it was better than the 360.

>>377794040
Or maybe it's because actual adults who have jobs can manage a distributed payment much more easily.
You'll understand when you finally graduate school.

>>377794040
No? As a consumer I don't need to indulge in the benefits of that $60 a year service 100% of the time, so paying for it on an as-I-go basis is preferable to me. I only buy a month here and there for specific games with online features. Don't know why you'd keep the service up 12 months a year on the PS4, multiplayer shooters aren't the de facto genre anymore. Everything I play is single player, with the occasional trivial extra online feature.

>>377794150
Don't worry, if all future consoles use x86, stuff will be BC by default.

Can't wait to play Bloodborne in native 4K at 60 FPS on my PS5.

>>377794332
>Can't wait to play Bloodborne in native 1080p at 30 FPS with frame pacing issues on my PS5

>>377794181
Having money is no excuse to spend it poorly.
And that said. If you already have money, then there is absolutely no reason for piece meal payments with interest. Not the other way around.

>>377794332
I've been banking on this to, especially considering my backlog has grown exponentially this gen with Sony's constant sales.

>Microsoft ruined gaming with premium online subscriptions and making DLC popular
>They're irrelevant this generation and their exclusives are failing

Is this karma?

>>377789553
>>377789553
>>377789553
Everybody look at this newfag.

>>377789902
no he us calling out poor fags who for whatever reason cant or don't want to pay for the shit they have deemed necessary to get the most out of the system


which makes sense i guess since the console was old and kinda cheap and many of the games on it cheap as fuck as well given how old they were.

>>377794450
The devs who popularized DLC and made the subscription service seem mandatory are now in bed with Activision & Sony creating an all-nre cancer.

>>377794383
Of course if you have the money to spend on something all in one go, do it.
But the average person doesn't, and they're not going to dip into their savings for a fucking games console.

people who get paid monthly can't afford large single payment items, hence why they buy a car with a payment plan, they buy their house with a mortgage, etc. Their choice is to either pay more in the long run for something, or not have it at all.

>>377794357
BB is already 1080p30.
Still the best running console version of a souls game by far, DS1 and DeS ran like garbage.

>>377791913

Lachrymose?

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>>377792979
Clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC8FbgGnd0

Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTAKSBvuT-A

>>377794548
>people who get paid monthly can't afford large single payment items
People who can't afford to pay up front should use their money more wisely and not waste it on expensive piece meal payment plans. And then they might actually be able to afford to purchase things up front.

>>377794684
good luck buying a house without a mortgage.
Unless you fancy an abode in detroit's rough side of town you have no chance.

>>377789191
>The Xbone reveal was four years ago on May 21st

>>377792507

It has a little web applet page that can pop up for it, if I remember right. Its still not a full-on browser though.

>>377794548
A PS3 is not a house that would require a mortage.
You could just wait a month or two and purchase it up front.

>>377794684
Yeah, if people stopped doing the thing they resort to doing because they can't afford single large payments, they'd be able to make single large payments.

Even if I could afford to pay an extra $300 on top of the base console cost upon purchasing in lieu of paying for the online service over five years, why would I? How am I supposed to know that service will be worth my money for the entire duration?

>>377794892
or just get a 360 now, which is what consumers did.

>>377794961
And they ultimately paid a lot more for it.
It's also worth noting that the 360 only ever did well in America.

Xbox was right all fucking along

How many of you faggots complain when PSN goes down?


How many of you faggots are always online?

How many of you faggots only buy digital?

>>377795027
No they weren't.
Gotta give the consumers the illusion of choice.
Steam have got it working for pretty much almost every PC gamer.

>>377795017
but they got to play their console for several months longer than if they needed to save. So they got extra value out of it. And despite paying more in the long run it was distributed over a long period of time making it easy to manage.

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>>377795086
>steam, sony, and nintendo are allowed to jew you #4thepcgamers
>but its a problem when microsoft does it

Why is this I wonder...?

>>377795027
I've bought over 10 physical games for PC and every single one of them forced me to use some shitty 3rd party DRM app. Only way around it is to pirate.

>>377795234
>when psn/steam goes down
doesn't kick you off the console

>no internet connection
games still playable

>want to try a game you're unsure about
buy it pre-owned

These are 3 things microsoft wanted to fuck up with the xbone, that no other manufacturer was doing.

>>377795027
>people with online access bitch more about online things.
mind blowing stuff here.

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>>377791315
It feels good to know that he got fired immediately afterwards.

>>377795384
Thats funny, my xbone doesnt do any of these. Stuck in 2013 or...?

>>377795409
doesn't matter. the damage had already been done

>>377795443
>These are 3 things microsoft WANTED to fuck up with the xbone
(notice the past tense)

And you might notice the original post in the exchange was defending microsoft's original 2013 position with the xbone.

>>377795443
Yes because they back peddled.
Microsoft back peddled harder than any other gaming company has ever back peddled.
They back peddled and still haven't shook that 2013 E3 perception people have of them.

>>377789191
>greenlit backwards compatibility with the 360
>pushed for an HD rerelease of Phantom Dust with rebalanced mechanics and renenabled online
>approved cross platform to finally be a widespread thing on Xbox
>actively encourages people not to waste cash on new versions of the Xbone
>set up cross-buy to save money for PC users who want to play Microsoft games

And Phil Spencer will still never fix what Don Mattrick did.

>>377795532
I dont think its defending, moreso admitting they actually were right. IT was flawed but with a few adjusments its the same shit as steam. 99% of people who buy a console today are going to have it always connected to the internet

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>>377795501
Instant karma is still always funny. Fucking asshole deserved it.
Just a shame Microsoft doesn't use any of the billion IPs they actually own.

>>377789756
>rubbing shoulders/befriending the right people/sucking up to key people
I know one person that literally did nothing but he keeps getting promoted. He is a good friendly guy that goes beyond the norm to help you but..

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If Scorpio isn't a huge hit, Xbox is going the way of Sega consoles.

>>377791359
>It's not that Sony won this generation. It's that everybody else lost.

this is the slogan of this generation, Nintendo was up way of their asses and Xbox being Xbox did nothing, Sony only had to Release the not-PS3 and that's it, infratures me how the fuck didn't got any competition whatsoever, that alone has done an irreparable damage to the industry.

>>377795645
>IT was flawed but with a few adjusments its the same shit as steam. 99% of people who buy a console today are going to have it always connected to the internet
It's just not though.
If you're internet goes down or the service goes down your games are still accessible on every service. (bar some devs that did their own 3rd party always online drm)
They were not right at all hence their massive and hilarious climbdown.

>>377792039
>replaceable hdds

>>377795615
>PS4 has more developers working on it than the Xbone
>No one wants to put their games on the Xbone
>Xbone has a handful of exclusives, and only some of those are only on Xbone
>Nintendo just put out their new console and it's already doing quite well
>Microsoft actually thinks anyone will buy the Scorpio
>If the Scorpio is a major flop, Microsoft's gaming division will take the biggest hit it's ever seen

>>377795720
Yes, that was the flaw and it was adjusted for. Even then the original plan was just going to require a ping to the internet, as in you could just sync your phone to it or whatever and itll check for a wifi source once a day and nothing would ever happen . Im not a fan of this approach but this is literally the future

>>377795794
>no wifi
>no card reader
>cheap plastic trim

>>377795615
They do that "refund after 2 hours" thing Steam does, too.

>>377795690
It's definitely not going to be considering Sony failed with the Pro.

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Any fucking wonder why all their exclusives have had trash campaigns?

I was excited last year when I heard PC would get their first part titles. It's too bad that none of them have been that exciting.

>>377795860
>Even then the original plan was just going to require a ping to the internet, as in you could just sync your phone to it or whatever and itll check for a wifi source once a day and nothing would ever happen
>this is literally the future

It's literally not.

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>Da powah of da cloud!!
e3 2013 was hilarious.

No matter how much better Microsoft Xbone looks today, no matter how much PR work they put in to undo the damage their original reveal did, no matter how much they talk about games

Remember that underneath all of those things was a corporation that up-front told everyone that they were going to launch an expensive, always-online, piece of shit hardware with little in the way of interesting exclusives, no backwards compability, running an OS that sends you ads and a constantly active camera that watches you play vidya simply because they thought they could get away with it.

>>377796027
Im afraid it is m8

You can just sense the bad intent from steam and sony. What nintendo doesnt do with drm, they do with $80 controllers and over priced consoles

Everyones out to fuck you

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>>377796104
>You can just sense the bad intent

>>377796147
>reddit memes

...?

>>377795975
Sony didn't fail with the Pro. It's doing what it's supposed to be doing. Convince late adopters with cash and a hard on for graphics to grab a console that now has an exclusive catalog worth playing but with better hardware. One, two and three years after the Pro's launch, games on it will start looking much better than base PS4 games. It'll be apparent that's where people who care about visuals will go, while price conscious buyers will still to the base model. This'll help give PS4 an edge until PS5 launches.

>helped Microsoft sell more original Xboxes
>is credited as the main ideas guy behind Kinect
>announces all that evil greedy shit that sony also wanted to do for Xbone
>nerds get mad
>in June he makes a statement that the xbone won't be Always-Online and that you can share/trade game discs
>in July he leaves Microsoft for Zynga
>after a short term he resigns from Zynga

Also fuck Peter Moore. The entire Microsoft Xbox division has been cancer on the industry since it's inception.

>>377791004
That is the most beautiful comment I've read in a while.

The funny thing is you can be almost sure that this will happen every single time: an individual is capable of being aware of shit like that and be vigilant with getting to cocky, corporation has almost zero chance of escaping this cycle. The only offchance is if the CEO is bomb enough to make the board listen to him. I guess it's time to start trading stocks. Or not.

>>377796776
>>is credited as the main ideas guy behind Kinect
That's not really an accomplishment.