FFXIV: STORMBLOOD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFD b3z0aQ

Everyone but NIN

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>WHM is still cuked
>Ping still 280
>No East coast server mention
>WTFast not doing shit
>Mudfish not doing shit.

I'm still mad

>>377771931
Right there's no pacify, so giving 2 more attacks. Berserk wasn't that interesting anyway aside from getting a stack. Now you have this Beast bar which is a 2min CD so guess use 1 berserk standard and combo with path for that 20 points that zerk/RI/veng would have gave you, then the other zerk with beast. I think it's more interesting than what we had.

>>377772041
Right, but you can still use it as NIN. This is a WAR skill being taken away that we can't use anymore.


I think what a lot of WARs are being blinding by the big-dick-deeps of 6x cleaves, and not realizing we're losing a lot of self healing utility, making us very similar to DRK, which was always my qualm with DRK. I didn't see mercy stroke on yoshi's hotbar either. God that better still exist.

>Warriors are just now, ten hours later, finally coming around to realizing that they actually got fucked out of a slot and no amount of gimped, STR-only-with-no-STR-accessories, 30%-Berserk Fell Cleaves are going to save them

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>nin lost half their utility
>still shit ping
GOAD WAS FUCKING MINE

Not WHM
>cant use rescue because stuck using Protect, Esuna, Swiftcast, Shroud of Saints and Divine Seal
>might lose DoT stacking from Aero 1 and 2
>new cleric stance not good enough to justify using
But hey, stone 4.

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fell cleave babbies

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>>377772414

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If the potencies are right, PLD got a metric fuckton of single target damage somehow. It's pretty delicious.

>>377772527
>Half
What do you think that libra looking move of scholar's is going to do if not give vulnerability down?

>MCH get's....something

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i feel like 90% of the east coast whiners on /v/ at this point are just west coasters salty that there's not more east coasters actively being upset so they're pretending to be them

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>tfw the two classes I play didn't get much revealed

AST and MCH btw

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>>377772736
Fuck off south american cucks, we're better off without you.

>>377772821
could be worse. DRK gets......new animations and a bar that does ....something.

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>Excited for all the new job changes
>Remember my ping is now 130 so it won't be fun anyway

>>377772520
They still have great damage ability, but for them stating them wanting to make the jobs easier, war is actually going to be harder to optimize.

I've never played this game, but I miss MMOs. Is this worth playing as a 30 year old with a full time job on PS4 so I can zone out on the couch after work?

>>377772418
As long as I can 6 cleave healers in PVP I'll be happy

I'd love to get a VR headset, but the software does not justify the cost of the headset at all.


How did these people make so much money and have so much invested in to this but totally forget the importance of continual software support?

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>>377772963
Are you going to play as a cute cat or lala?

>>377772758
Yeah, people are going to be surprised I think by how much of an offensive buff PLD actually got, in addition to defensive abilities that are so retardedly strong that they actually are probably going to noticeably increase party DPS via the healers.

At this point it's just a matter of whether DRK or WAR ends up being the better off-tank. And DRK won't need much before that becomes a close race, since Path is gone and Eye isn't necessarily mandatory.

Bards offensive music and changes are so out left field but it's fucking amazing

I was so excited for PLD changes and I only have a level 18 archer but now i want to play bard first in stormblood

>>377772963

this game is basically designed from the ground up for people in your position

>>377772963
stick to mario old man

Should I even come back to this game?


Got a Lancer to like 25 or some shit at Heavensward launch and got bored

>>377772863
blood stuff

>>377772963
Game is designed for people like you, and the game is enjoyable on controller too.

>>377773183
what kind of stuff?

DRK literally got ignored this live letter, but then again it doesn't look like it got anything special anyhow.

>>377773131
that's for you to answer, if you got bored that early why bother continuing?

>>377773248
I got bored because there was too much confusing shit in the game

I like the changes, they seem interesting.

>>377773236
They didn't say much about some jobs either.

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I hope you guys are performing optimally in the fight, you need to keep me supplied with as many chakra stacks as you can.

I'll know if you're doing poorly and WILL votekick you for low dps.

>>377773026

I've always preferred to play old grizzled looking Vietnam vets.

>>377773070
>>377773194

That's the first time I've heard that. I asked this same question in the /vg/ thread and I got shitposted into oblivion in seconds.

>>377773120

Get off my lawn, faggot

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>>377773285
excuse me

lancer has like 3 buttons to use up to level 26

>>377773343
Go human then, or Roegadyn

>>377773337
Stop.

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SCH, AST, WHM
so who is the new Queen of healslut this time?

>>377773343
Don't go to the /vg/ thread.

>>377773416
well white mage gets greased lightning

>>377773416
healslut? WHM

>>377773343

>/vg/ thread

your first mistake

there's a reason why we have xiv generals on /v/

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Didn't play Heavensward but did more or less everything in RR what do I gotta do to be ready for Stormblood.

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>>377773343
Be a Highlander my man, if you're going to be a human, don't be a cuck.

>>377773372
The combat was fine I am talking about everything else like world direction, UI elements, etc

I ignored like everything except the main quests because I was getting lost and shit over and over.

I am a 13 year WoW veteran and 10 year Guild Wars veteran

>>377773530
All of HW

>>377773530
>what do i have to do to be ready for stormblood
complete all the heavensward content

Hey guys! Khloe gave me 2 lines!

>>377773530
Do Heavensward story.

>>377773416
Balance still exists so it's basically AST + some other healer.

>>377773236
I have a feeling that a lot of the classes that didn't get much attention are going to turn out to get some really strong shit.

Depending on when in Stormblood's development they decided that Reprisal was going to be changed to a role skill with no damage, they might have been really free to give DRK a lot of fun toys to shore up their existing weaknesses.

>>377773550
the game has quest markers out the ass and literally tells you exactly where to go at all times

the game caters to the lowest common denominator but apparently that bar is still far too high for you

>>377773584
what a whore

So the quickest way to get from 50-60 on the new classes is just to spam POTD right?

>>377773550
Just how did you get lost? This is confusing me. I could understand that in Limsa since it's mostly vertical but else?

>warrior and dragoon looks pretty cool
>everyone crying about how ping is awful
how bad is it for texas bros? i kinda wanted to get back into the game but the whole ping thing seems pretty awful

>>377773530

either power your ass through heavensward in a month or buy a boost when stormblood drops, i really recommend playing through heavensward though since it's pretty decent

>>377773550
I can only assume you're simply inept if you couldn't find your way around a world where you can teleport to literally every zone.

>>377773667
Limsa and the surrounding islands

Also lots of backtracking in my quest log annoyed me

>>377773673
Your ping will be perfectly fine. Servers in Cali.

>>377773673
Texas here, my ping is has improved since the change. Routing to CA instead of lolCanada

>>377773441
>>377773505

Ic. Well thanks for the advice. I've been on the fence about it for like 6 months. FF11 nostalgia I guess. MMOs were a huge part of my childhood.

>>377773413
Get back in the shed, NIN

the following are the list of WHM abilities either removed entirely or that they used to have and are now forced to select as 'cross-role' skills.

Stoneskin
Stoneskin II
Divine Seal
Shroud of Saints
Esuna
Protect
Cleric Stance

fuck off, yoshi.

>>377773673
not bad at all friend, in fact it got better for me.

DFTW area though

>>377773663
BUY POTION

>>377773027
They also made apocastatis caster generic and gave ranged DPS a physical version, so that's another defensive cooldown. Plus whatever the fairy tether does, WHMs having a probably fuckhuge shield...

I wonder if incoming damage is going to get a lot wilder, or if tanking/tank healing is going to get a lot easier.

>>377772335
You know what, I like both RDM and SAM now.
RDM looks flashy as fuck and that goofy ensignia shit with the SAM tickles me. Though the sam extra skill could be more instead of quickdraw stuff.

>>377773789

it isn't available for the new classes

>>377773770
I play MCH.
Is not funny anymore.
Just stop.

>>377773847
Well, fuck

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If I select scripture tomestones from khloe will it go in the trash if I already hit the weekly cap?

>>377773771
thanks for your shroud m8, t. blm

>>377773823
>every other RDM skill has instant cool down.
I cant WAIT

>>377773789
You can't buy the leveling potion on SAM dummy

>>377773771
cleric stance can now be safely not taken by every healer

only one healer in 8 man content needs to take protect, same goes for esuna

>>377773582
>>377773583
>>377773604
>>377773691
But what should I race change to.

did they just completely remake scholars?

I actually think NIN looks alright, obviously will be some change in mechanics, looks like them leylines might change how projectiles work.

>>377773861
>2 years of MNK BTFO
>MONK EXPANSION STOLEN BY SAMURAI AND NINJA LOL
You reap what you sow, meta babs

>>377773927
More like BRD

>>377773337
>p-please massa, give me your full combos ;_; i need it so i can do the same amount of dps other classes do

>>377773910
Samurai

Since there are no more cds changing jobs that should mean you can change out your role abilities on the fly. Will make it simple if you end up with weird set ups like two whms.

>>377772335
God damn that bahamut summon tho.

>>377773992
>Monk already has the most personal dps
>Just lacked raid utility
>They get that AND more dps
Who let you out of the chakra mines?

Anyone got an image of mnk chakra for posting?

>they actually nerfed WAR

Holy fuck I can't believe it

>SCH Main
>Levelled ninja for SB

Can someone just come and drown me please

Yay my utility just got cucked but wahoo! One button Mudras in a small area that fucks my positional!

>>377773878
yes

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>yfw

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>tfw you realize warrior changes are nerfs, while everyone else thinks they are buffs
>take away everything that makes warrior unique
>give them more of the skill that everyone likes for being high damage, but reduce the damage for it and everything else
mfw

Balance is going to be sooooo FUCKED at initial release.

>>377774202
Fell Cleave is still 500 potency dumbass.

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>>377774170

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>>377774267
>fell babbies think this

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>>377774170

>>377772354
He got that really cool lava frog thing.

>>377774267
i like the whole 6 fell cleaves in a row thing.

There's no fucking way it'll be 500 potency

>>377774267
Fell Cleave is 500 potency but Berserk is down to a 30% buff, they lose Internal Release, Fell Cleave isn't going to crit as much naturally because it doesn't have a guaranteed +10% chance on every swing, and tank damage in general is being gutted because tank damage is going to be determined by STR alone even though they're being locked out of equipping STR accessories.

>>377774170
https://youtu.be/2Ji942x_t68

Everything I see on SB makes me feel like they're pulling down the already low skill ceiling even lower. I worry that the game won't keep being fun if they make it too easy.

>>377774403
It will be but fret not because tank dps will probably become utter shit in SB

>>377774430
This is perfect. This is pure genuine happiness.

>>377772354
What the fuck?
If I'm not mistaken you can now cast multiple justsus on the way to the jutsu you want, no?

dragoon top tier

>>377774123
tank dps in general seems to have been nerfed
my bis 270 war;
FC without eye 3500
FC with eye on 4600.
Yoshi p in video level 70, 290 gear his fell cleave were doing less than me

>>377774403
>>377774325
He hovered over it and it still showed 500. But Berserk was nerfed.

>>377774461
As someone without a static I'm all for it because maybe just maybe there won't be nearly as shitters doing 15% of their potential DPS

>>377774267
you are an idiot
vit changes means reduced overall damage, and berserk is being reduced from 50% to 30% so fell cleaves will do less damage than they do now.

Look at the damage fell cleave does in the video. between 5-6k crits at max ilevel level 70. Currently at level 60 i do 7-8k fell cleave. N
ow assuming rng gives max damage lets do the math. Right now i do 3 12k fell cleaves for 36k damage, while in SB i will do 5 8k fell cleaves for 40k damage, however i'm using extra GCD so actual real dps is decreased from current levels.

>>377774513
Looked to me in the action video that he was only able to do that while on top of those "nin leylines"

Can I find a list of all the changes?

>>377774541
I wonder if you prompt red BotD if it just falls off will doing something like increasing crit rate.

We could time it with the recast...

>>377774541
>dragon bomb
>red botd
>wheeling thrust INTO fang and claw
>super geirskogul
so good

>>377774403

still 500 potency, but tanks are locked into using vit accs and damage scales only from str again

>>377774598
It was a crit or a direct hit?.

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Is it normal for your class to get absolutely fucked beyond repair?

t.Pure Healer

AST wins again. Go home other healers.

PLD getting magic block made me cum

>>377774513
>on ley lines
>on a class with multiple positionals
>caring about different jutsus when your utility is being gutted because muhh homogenisation and muhh 'complexity'

This is WOTLK all over again. This is 'bring the player not the class' all over again, where everyone has to have everything.

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>no more BRD cast times

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>>377774403
It is
>>377774598
Then thats not a nerf just to War dipshit, its a nerf to Tanks overall. Get your terminology right for fucks sake.

>>377774734
We're back in there.

>>377774731
Take away the 20% Balance card and suddenly AST looks a lot less appealing. Reduce it down to 10% again and see what happens.

:^)

>>377774696
Good question, but even assuming those were direct hits and that crits do a lot more(doubtful), then theres a small chance that dps might be comparable, but for sure not more than now

>max ilevel level 70

Where is this meme coming from?

>>377774734
Did you read the tooltip translations? requiescat looks fucking amazing, sheltron uses 40 of those oath points but magic blocks sound amazing yeah.

Do you guys think that direct hit will be weighted more than det?

>>377774461
I didn't expect them to actually revert one of the smartest changes they've done with the way that VIT/STR was handled on tanks, only to move it back forward in the exact wrong direction and do the stupidest thing possible to it.

I also didn't think they'd be so spiteful of good players that they'd turn Cleric Stance into a joke entirely, instead of just having healer spells scale from mind, and then keeping Cleric Stance as a +10% damage, -90% healing toggle that good players could use for a consistent damage boost.

They said that they wanted casual players to catch up with average players, but good players to outshine average players even more, but I guess that was a lie.

>>377774840
The gear the characters were wearing were ilvl 270. But what people fail to mention is that he doesn't have anything melded and his bonus stats aren't put into anything.

>>377774325
>>377774403
Not him but it is.
Someone posted a pic in one of the threads.

>>377774837
Shut your fucking mouth.

>>377774757
Didn't somewhere say a cross class was going to remove positional requirements with some buff? Probably just syncs up with the ninjitsu leylines and will require a tiny bit of thought/foresight to not use it when the boss is going to make you move. Or you just put it on a corner and hit your positionals anyways.

>>377774802
It's both. not to mention warrior is getting cucked out of internal release, bloodbath, and storm's path.

I was just making the point that the excitement over 5 fell cleave was completly unwarranted

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>>377774170
>mfw

>>377774704
I recall initial release Dragoon and it's 10 year long jump recovery.

>>377774927
All the gear was i290 in the Live Letter.

Why are there no melee staff users? I want to hit people with a staff.

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>>377772335
Returning player here. How is Stormblood looking for BLMs?

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If Passage of Arms has a long enough range, since blocking works no matter which way you're facing in SB couldn't you just turn around to use it while MTing and avoid people getting cleaved?

>>377772657
Warrior seems really interesting with how they burn/gain meter

-1. Eye(100 meter)
0. HS, Release + Berserk(80)
1. FC(55) + Punch(45) + Infuriate (95)
2. FC(70)
3. Maim(80)
4. FC(55)
5. FC(30)
6. Path(50)
7. FC(25)
8. FC(0)
9. HS

7 FCs or more may be possible depending on what else gives them meter

>>377774935
Am I wrong though? The only reason you see AST in raids is because of Expanded Balance, nothing more. Take away that and you got a lesser SCH without a fairy.

>>377774927
Hmm maybe there's some hope that damage doesn't' actually go down from current levels. Nothing is worse than logging in and just flat out doing less damage

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>rework the combat
>game is still more shit and less exciting than FFXI, an archaic and slow paced game from 2002
XIV will always come up short

>>377774429
Pentameld from crafters will be a thing again lol

>>377774878
I just want more details about that gauge. Is it just a shelltron meter so we can store up two guaranteed blocks in a row? Will 100 make your next clemency free or some shit? I want to paladin.

>>377774902
I don't know, but I think it's hilarious that SE can't think of anything else to do with DPS secondaries.

>Determination consistently increases your damage by a small amount.
>Direct Hit semi-consistently increases your damage by a medium amount
>Critical Hit Rate infrequently increases your damage by a large amount

I can't wait for Skill Speed and Spell Speed to be revamped into "Almost always increases your damage by a pretty small amount" and "Almost never increases your damage by an enormous amount".

>>377774086
>MNK shitters actually believe this
I'm going to play MCH more just to watch you cry

>>377774654
>>377774598
Incorrect

They simply stated that they had to make the tank nerf because otherwise, no one was rolling on vit accs, and 5 classes were rolling on str accs

now, accessories are role-locked, tank mainstats didn't get touched

>>377775020
Simpler, but a lot of nice QoL.

>>377775010
There is, you can buy the goku costume in the mogstation.
There you go, DLC staff user with a retractable staff.
You realize dragon slaps people with the side of the spear as much as they poke.

>>377774957
is that a stonecore reference

>>377774942
IR you can get over it, you still have the best buff in the game. Bloodbath I can give you which sucks to lose. Storms Path we have no idea if its changed, but its still there.Also you can potentially do 6+ Fell Cleaves. You can easily do more damage overall right now. Also with Berserk being 60 seconds and no Pacification, it does overall more damage than your current Berserk.

>>377775020
Enochian witnessed you and stays with you forever and you can teleport to your lines now

>>377773337
they somehow made MNK even less desirable in statics as every time they have low DPS they will just kick and scream that it's the other DPS' fault ruining group dynamic.

Enjoy another expansion where no one loves you fist mages.

>>377775189
>not feeling the strength of the earth

Now that PvP has class restriction removed...
can we get EXP in PvP? If its a good ammount of EXP then it would get a lot more people playing it to level classes.

>>377775110
It would be except that you're only allowed one main stat meld even on crafted gear.

what they said all Job quest completed, does that mean there will be no more skills in 5.0?
>>377774957
I never heard them said anything about what PLD gauge does. anyone know?

>>377775189
No it's a JoJo reference of course.

>>377774998
Yeah my bad.

>>377774461

What exactly are they pulling down anon, the only dumbing down I'm seeing is Enochain, and BoTD being a little easier to manage.

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>>377772335

>BLM
>AM to Leylines
>AOE Thunder
>Triple cast
>Void magic

I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME

>>377774840
>Cleric Stance is just a damage buff now
Fuck. Thank GOD.
Now "I'm a healer, why should I DPS?" shitters have no excuse to DPS.

>>377775236
>mnk hatred runs deeper than meta
>people are dumb enough to be this pained over them
Hilarious

>>377775020
it looks pretty good, honestly
eno got reworked so as long as you're in astral/umbral, it's on
you now get bonuses for keeping it up tho + blizz 4 gives you a new kind of stack that does uhh something
aoe thunder, with actually useable procs now that eno got changed

it's probably going to be a lot closer to arr blm with a slightly fancier rotation

The cross class looks pretty bland. Tanks in raids for instance, will always take 4: Rampart, Provoke, Reprisal, Shirk. Then if you need one of the CCs you take them, otherwise I suppose Convalescence or the unknown one.

MDPS is going to be Goad, Invigorate, Diversion, True North, and then one wildcard if the unknown ones are good.

RDPS will have Invigorate, Refresh, Palisade, Proton, and a wildcard.

I don't play healer, so I can't comment there, but most of these skills should just be baked in and then have 2 open slots.

Caster will be Diversion, Lucid Dream, Swiftcast, then two wildcards based on the fight

Healer

>>377775268
Looks like goes up for auto attacks in Sword Oath, probably goes up for taking damage in Shield Oath.

>>377775236
>tfw the xpac focuses on the fist mages,
>everyone is excited for every other class plus the weeb class.
>rip in piecees fist mages

https://pastebin.com/cmRuC68N

Summary of live letter information for those interested, as well as details gleaned from action tooltips.

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>>377775151
no they said attack is once again going to be strength exclusive on tank while forcing tanks to use vit accessories.
Overall damage will decrease because all of right side minus meld damage will disappear while left side only gets 10% damage increase

>>377775268
Sheltron eats up 50 points on the Paladin's gauge. Nothing else that anyone could see consumed it (other than swapping Oaths which either halves it, rounding up to the nearest multiple of 5, or just costs 5 in general).

>>377775312
Still better than the current one.

>>377775264
even the melds? Tanks got throw hard in the cuckshed

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>>377775236
>NIN damage control has already begun

>>377775201
the best buff in the game? vengence? which lost half of it's functionality with loss of bloodbath

not happy that they somehow managed to cuck WHM even more than they already were, they didn't didn't even need to give sch/ast more skills to do it either
cross role alone looks to fuck me completely out of even getting to enjoy the class as it is right now
at least PLD friends seem to have dug themselves out of this hole

>>377775049
Does Fell Cleave not interrupt combos?

>>377775303
Didn't mean to quote.

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>>377775406
>which lost half of it's functionality with loss of bloodbath
>50 Potency hit heals mattered

>>377775201
lower multiplicity of damage trumps more reusability in actual calculations

>>377775443
PLD and MNK were complaining the loudest, WHM only got thrown in the shed with Creator.
WHM will get it's knee-jerk buff in 4.2.

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I still don't understand what SCH just got.

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>>377772736
>why can't I play flawlessly on the North American servers
>when I don't live in North America
Go and stay go, BR shitters.

>>377775312
we don't even know what all of these are, why are you theorycrafting what will be useless or not?

>>377775362
currently, tank attack power draws 45% from Str, and 45% from Vit.

she was referring to pre-3.2 when it was 100% Str, leading Vit accessories to not be touched by anyone and the overall HP of tanks to plummet

she was comparing that situation to locking the accessories to their roles, so that cheesing DF queues with off-spec jewelry wasn't possible

>>377774429
>and tank damage in general is being gutted because tank damage is going to be determined by STR alone
guys pls

that's not what she said

>>377775505
>implying 6-7 mobs proccing 300-350 potency of heals together isn't really fucking good

>>377775454
No, FC/IB/SC/Decimate does not interrupt combos, even right now.

>>377775598
Nothing which is probably the best it could've gotten. Jk nerfs would've been the best thing for it

>>377775405
>>377775306
MNK is actually the only DPS class I play, but I stopped because literally no one likes them.

So I started tanking now everyone loves me even in the pub runs where I do literally nothing they rain commendations down on me.

The sad fact is guys us MNK's will never be loved give up the ghost we're a dead job, I'll probably level red mage now so I have a DPS class to play every once in a while.

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>>377775123
I'm pretty sure unless there's more PLD skills they didn't show it will only be used for sheltron, you can actually see it in yoshi's PLD hotbar, oath points cost are in blue on the skills (mp purple-ish, tp orange). pic related sry for shit quality.

>>377775541
maybe the most annoying thing is I keep seeing people talk about how amazing it is that WHM is getting life grip just because they put it in the video for some stupid fucking reason when it's not even a whm skill, it's cross role
and we won't even have space to use it ourselves

>>377775598
It got a thing that makes the fairy tether to a party member to keep healing them.

>>377775619
Oh that is good, but doesn't make vengeance losing half of its functionality. If anything you can actually save Vengeance for actual tank busters instead of using it in Burst Rotation.

>>377775454
never did

>>377775406
>>377775505
bloodbath was a trash skill only good for spamming in dungeons, but i'm sure they'll replace it with something good, let alone WAR getting rampart

>>377775598
many classes had next to 0 info

DRK, SCH, AST, MCH, DRG, etc

Healer's yanking skill is going to be removed in 4.1 because NA players are going to abuse it.

>>377775406
Fuck Warriors.

Vengeance is objectively superior to Shadow Wall and is almost always superior to Sentinel based entirely on mitigation alone. And now it can be used solely for mitigation, because you don't have to worry about using it to maximize your babystacks.

And you're still complaining.

>>377775614
based on actual numbers seen, and the fact that it's VERY likely they will return to the original formula of 1x strength vs .45x vit + .45x str.
It is a very very high chance of actual dps loss caused by no damage coming from accessories.

>>377775602
I live in North American and can no longer player flawlessly on the North American servers.

The game became 10x less fun over the course of 2 days.

>>377772335
>played MNK since ARR
>excited as fuck for SAM
>got bunch of leveling gear for it
>new MNK skills look fucking awesome
f-fuck

>>377775694
You can swap out Esuna if the fight has no debuffs that need cleansing (and even in fights that do, the debuffs are rarely fatal) and you might be able to swap out Protect after casting it at the start. Or just make the other healer take Protect.

>that feel when I can't decide on what I want to play

Too many things interest me. MCH, RDM and SAM are the tops.

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is it just me or SAM skills looks super underwhelming?

>>377775668
>I stopped playing because I wasn't prom king
You know, you can play a class without needing reassurances that your liked or even commendations. How did you play before comms were implemented?

>>377775775
>NA
>not both NA and EU
All you western pigs have no manners

>>377775359
So since Black Mages essentially have infinite MP, and
>Manashift - Gifts 20% of the caster's MP to an ally. 150s cooldown.
exists, BLMs can be emergency healer batteries, or aid summoner damage by letting them use ruin 3 more (assuming that's still a thing),or let Paladin dump more Holy Spirit during Requiescat's buff period. That's a fun tiny bit of team utility. Also I'm sure Dark Knights could use it too.

>>377775675
Well, I suppose I'll hold hope that there's something more to it, would be a bit of a bummer if it's just a replacement for Shelltron's natural cooldown.

>>377775754
so because some bad tanks didn't use it to full effectiveness we should just strip functionality. Great idea

>>377775893
720 fucking potency on the finisher though.

>>377775891
Same, but only because I don't know which job will feel less awful at 120 poverty ping.

>>377775827
Warriors are the biggest babies right next to Summoners. But at least with Summoners they'll stop bitching now that they actually summoned a real primal.

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>>377775675

>>377775893
Not flashy, yes.
but functional dps? nah double crit man. the blm of melee

>>377775893
We didn't really get a good look at the animations, and we've only seen details for 8 of their moves.

They do look extremely simple though, as well as extremely fucking OP. There's no way their action potencies aren't being nerfed before release. Every 9th GCD they can do a 720 potency attack. On a melee DPS that makes it easily the strongest attack in the game.

>>377775859
yes, because now needing to switch my cross class skills around every fight for if it does or doesn't have debuffs to cleanse when it was a complete nonfactor previous makes sense
there was no reason to not leave the current esunas on all 3 healers

>>377775614
We do know what most of them are. There's only a few unknowns left.

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>>377775930

>could use it too

Only if we deign to bless you with our power.

>>377775914
Well there is also the fact that no one ever takes MNK's in statics, that was the real problem now I can do end game content AND I get commendations. Win win.

>>377776003
I'm alright with it not being flashy, I'm going to main it and maybe MCH as well this expac

>>377775837
My point was that, that is a legitimate complaint.

Having people in NA with massive ping on the servers that are meant to work for them is really shitty, and I hope they learn that they've made a mistake. Servers should be centralized so that the North American servers can properly serve all North American players.

People outside of North America complaining about their high ping to a NA server is stupid.

>>377775932
Yes because you can't stop complaining after a little fucking change when your class has a way better stack system and great new skills that help you bring up your baby e-peen.

>>377775756
Bloodbath is straight up mitigation in raid and greatly aided survivability solo. it's a huge net loss with no replacement

>Every expansion they just homogenize and dumb things down even -more- from a base game that was already depthless

I'm genuinely surprised they managed to pull that off after the mess that was Heavensward. Now I'm really curious as to what exactly they could gut come the next expansion

>>377775930
>using manashift over the other things
Good joke. Only a good static will be able to pry open my hands and place manashift in it

So are SAM getting gil toss or not? This is very important.

>>377776138
name 5 other things better than manashift

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>>377776095
>I hope they learn that they've made a mistake

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>>377775930
>Could.
Yeah you're not getting any mana from me. <Stop spamming medica II you fag.

>>377776139

>A job actually feeling thematically appropriate to it's history
>In XIV

Oh man

>>377775932
When the fuck have you ever used vengeance + blood bath for a healing combo in raids

Vengeance has always been a damage reduction or a free stack in the opener, the damage return has always been an after thought

>>377776070
Oh there's the real reason, I figured the prom king one was too stupid to actually be it. So why did you play the class if you didn't like it to begin with mister meta?

>>377775930
The mana is going to the BRD if he can still sing me Foe's.

>>377776268
BRD songs are just on timers now, they don't drain MP.

I find the new gauges kind of silly looking and feel like they take some of the uniqueness out of each job seeing as every single one has a gauge shoehorned on top of them

>>377775312
the fact that there are a lot of cc skills that can be crossed classed makes me think that they're going to put more "stun or die" type shit into the game

iirc before they didn't want to go that heavy on that type of stuff since it would lock out certain classes from cc heavy raids. with it being so freely available they might start working it in more

Drk or bust

>>377776195
Nigger I have hundreds of MILLIONS of gil. I DON'T CARE IF IT DOESN'T EVEN DO DAMAGE JUST LET ME THROW THIS SHIT AWAY.

>>377776105
25% lifesteal, on a tank doing(at best) 2k dps is only about 500hps, which is beat out by a single regen

Rampart is straight up mitigation, much better skill, but then again, we don't know the entire WAR toolkit yet

>>377775385
That's fair. I was just hoping they'd do something more interesting with it.

>>377776185
Surecast, swiftcast, drain, lucid dream, and diversion

>>377776104
>taking a class I spent countless hours learning to play and just throwing it in a blender and handing be the sludge and expecting me to be happy to drink it.

I wanted new toys to play with in SB, not for my entire play style to be changed. This is just like how bards were pissed off about casting time being added with HW, it was an awful idea and they had to undo it in SB because literally noone liked it. This is the same shit, and it's fucking retarded.

>>377776302
We only know that for 3 of the songs, Foe UI wasn't shown.
So either its completely gone or it still functions the same.

>>377776342
>surecast
>drain

what

>>377776315
If stuns don't deal damage anymore then that's fine because it means people won't be spamming them on cooldown.

>>377776268
foe got deleted

>>377772335
SMN won, no one else can compete with Bahamut

>>377775312

To be fair, that's already more depth than the current cross class system

>>377776053
Everyone has to deal with the added hassle of fucking with cross-class from fight to fight.

Tanks lost their native Stuns (Except PLD with the shitty on-GCD, combo-breaking, TP-hogging one), PLD and DRK have to give up a cross-class skill to get their bread-and-butter mitigation back while WAR gets it for free,

Provoke, Rampart, Reprisal, and Shirk are all mandatory picks for all tanks in pretty much all content, and the last slot is going to have to bounce between Low Blow or Interject whenever a Stun/Silence is required, Awareness in the two fights it's actually useful, and Convalescence everywhere else.

>>377776069
>>377776138
And that's at least something interesting about the role-based cross class, there's a tiny bit of thought that might need to go into it. Is your group double caster, so the summoner would get a boost from that? Do paladins do enough damage with Holy Spirit that it would be more valuable than some other thing? Or like >>377776268 says maybe Bard/Machinist will use it, if that's even how they still work they look pretty fucking different now.

>>377776193
Hey I'm the paladin in that scenario, anything to let me do the damage I am so sorely owed. the raid I sometimes sub for has a healer who won't stop using all her MP as fast as can be though, so it made me think of healer batteries

>>377776315
That would be nice, having CC be worthwhile again.

>>377775830
>based on actual numbers seen
you mean that yoship's lala WAR at i290 was autoattacking for about 1k? that's extremely circumstantial and unlikely to be true unless they just want tank players to quit, I'll wait for more info

>>377776373
Oh please your class still plays the fucking same you gain stacks to blow your fell cleave stacks, you only lost two minor buffs. Get over yourself.

>>377776342
>Surecast
>Drain
>Lucid Dream
Why would you take any of these on a BLM?

>>377776305
>each class gets something new and different
>"they take some of the uniqueness out of each job"

fucking pick one?


like literally what are you even saying.


not even much has changes there's just a UI element that shows you what's going on instead of tiny-ass buff icons.

>Can't cross class Skull Sunder on my PLD anymore

Damn, what a loss.

Now three jobs can do slashing debuff but only one job can do piecing debuff. Way to go making drg mandatory in raiding.

>>377776205
the damage return is what made it fun, and no more blood bath vengence means less fun and unique. SE seems to think that balance means making every job the same

>>377776429
There's also the possibility of addle helping smn but smns don't need help. If nothing else the utility will probably be interesting for blms that have good statics

>>377775756

In PvP DRG's disembowel never did a debuff. Wonder if that's for pve too.

Really made me think.

>>377776424
Wait, do we know that WAR kept it's shitty defense up skill?

Plus you can't just build 5 stacks and swap to DF to hit your defensive CD now as war, you'd have to build to 100 then swap as swapping stances halves your IB meter.

>>377776424
What does shirk do? only found tooltips for reprisal and the aoe provoke.

>>377776482
Lucid Dream could help you cram in more F4s during opener, fire phases in general etc couldn't it?

>>377776424
what does Shirk do?

>>377776482
lucid dream halves enmity and gives you mp during fire phase.

other two i dno

>>377776139
It'll be their ranged attack probably. Fake gil so they can justify not taking it from the player's stash of course.

Didn't they say they were culling abilities? Has that actually happened? All I've seen in the job action video

>>377776587
Also a threat dump if somehow the tank couldn't hold the boss

>>377776234
I fucking loved MNK, but I really wanted to raid and no statics ever wanted a MNK.

It was so fun to play though everything just felt like it flowed so smoothly when you played it right. But alas if I can't play my favorite DPS class in end game what point was there, so I swapped it up for a sword and board and then a big sword and then a big axe. Last class I leveled was a deck of cards. While I enjoy all these classes nothing flows quite as right as MNK.

>>377776564
PVP's DRG's Jump is also on less than 5 seconds cooldown and use 400 TP.

Suffice to say they are on different system.

>>377776482
Lucid dream halves enmity which I sure would love to have with all the garbage ass tanks out there and depending on the mana potency you might be able to squeeze another flare in or something. The others are bad but that still doesn't mean I'll give my mana to you.

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>was at convention all weekend
>pic related is only FFXIV cosplay I saw

Cute tho

>>377772335

MAH BOY PALADINO

That godlike "Get the fuck behind me, I got this" Block move. I see why they saved this PLD for last.

PLD is saved! Best tank of 4.0!

>>377776604
Its Shadewalker.

>>377776342
>Surecast
>Drain
Fucking why?

>>377776587
I very much doubt it could restore enough MP fast enough to even allow 1 extra F4.

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>Excited about playing RDM
>Realize it's all about instacasting
>Realize it has a damage buff that falls off extremely quickly
>Realize the meta will be to jam all your ogcds into that tiny window
>Realize your ping can no long pull off 2ogcds
>Remember that I also wanted to play SAM
>Realize they get a 10% speed buff
>Realize I'll clip GCDs with that even harder

Who /thinking of quitting/ here?

>>377776305
Yeah, I feel the same way. Unique UIs would be nice if the classes had unique mechanics, but they just turned everybody into Warriors where you build stacks and then discharge them, Monks where you build up stacks of some maintenance/momentum skill you need to keep going, or both at once.

If they're going to make the mechanics mostly the same, they could least have made the UIs match up. Fucking stupid that the WAR gauge, the DRK gauge, the PLD gauge, the NIN gauge, the SAM gauge, etc are all basically identical, except one is on a sword, and another is on a different type of sword, and one is on a scroll, and one is on some axes.

>>377776475
self heals and utility is what I liked about warrior. If i wanted fuck huge damage I could have played black mage. Just because shitters who jumped on board in HW for fell cleave only care about dps, doesn't mean other people only care about fell cleave.

What changes were made to AST? I could hardly tell from the video and I missed the live letter

It looked like it used a card to attack, or some such?

>>377776695
gotta make sure i can get those drains off while i take damage in my lay lines

>>377776470
I hope you are right

I'm glad that the jobs have some semblance of synergy now. Still have a long way to go though.

>>377776337
Not him but bloodbath was pretty integral to soloing shit. Making up for trash healers was just a side effect. Double decimate+BB was often a full heal or close to it. And the overpower spam after that.

Ultimately this probably just means I'll use PLD to solo hunts instead of warrior.

>>377776648
There's a reason the monk changes the least from expansion to expansion, it's always had a really solid, good feeling core to its gameplay.

Hopefully SB will let them be a little more welcome in compositions.

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>>377776657
Step it up Murrica.

>>377776305
I don't think they actually lost any uniqueness, I think the gauge just illustrates they were never unique to begin with

>>377774430
this guy's videos are top tier

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>>377776713
>tfw in Cali
how unfortunate for you.

>>377776742
There's a circle effect they put down that gives the cards effect to it?

>>377776657
THICC

>>377776808
Not surprising when they get a proper rotation by like level 10 while everyone else UNGABUNGAS until 30.

>>377776720
>self heals and utility is what I liked about warrior
Man you should have just stopped playing Warrior in 2.1 then.
Also as a healer, your self heal. made very little to no difference from you using Bloodbath. Besides you still have Thrill of Battle and Equilibrium.

>>377776742
If you've seen that video, you have all the information that they gave us in the Live Letter. I'm not even exaggerating.

Three and a half weeks out from release, after dangling their dicks in everyone's faces for the last month, promising that THIS would be the one, the Live Letter where they give us real information on the expansion that launches in three and a half weeks, they spent an hour explaining the BLM job UI without showing it, half an hour talking about Jump Potions, took some time out to show new features for non-flying mounts, and then gave us about 20 minutes of actually talking about skills.

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>>377776713
>Yoshi was able to doubleweave when he was in a JP server in Germany
>You cant do it in a NA server in new york

>>377776632
Some stuff like Ring of Thorns seems like it's gone based on the toolbars they had set up during the LL.

>>377776882
The problem is that this most effects solo content and pvp (or it would have if they hadn't totally gutted pvp too)

>>377776632
Yes, just minor changes really.

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>>377776940

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>>377776812
>you will never fuck both of them at the same time

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>>377775105
>game is still more shit and less exciting than FFXI
XI-fags are actually this delusional.

>>377774430
Summoners are such fags.

>>377776969
>solo content
Unless you're doing solo primals than not really. Besides if you're having that much problem. With the new War skill that Halves IB cost cost, you can just spam Inner Beast for a shit ton of healing.

>>377777004
Would Alisaie have a bigger cock than Alph?

>>377777021
I actually thought the combat was more fun in XI since you could actually die to pretty much anything

>>377776801
>bloodbath was pretty integral to soloing shit
and equilibrium, inner beast, and thrill of battle aren't?

>>377776305
100% disagree, it gives the classes a great unique feel like keeping a modern aesthetic

>>377776716
>>377776826
not true, some are timers, some keep track of charges, some are numerical like tanks, and some are graphical like AST

They should really increase the number of cross-class skill slots to 6 or 7 if they're going to make so many of the skills mandatory ones that we used to have innately. At least that would free up enough space to try out the fun or situational ones.

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>>377777004
>They're lesbians.

>>377777081
The half cost skill is only usable in Deliverance, it's the counterpart to Unchained.

Is there a webm or gif of the BRD skill that summoned a bunch of arrows in the golden circles?
I need it to shitpost.

>>377774557
Did he use maim, eye with berserk up?

>>377777128
That's pretty lewd desu.

>>377777159
Oh yeah thats true. Still no solo content with WAR has needed all of your self healing just to live.

>>377777085
>more fun in XI since you could actually die to pretty much anything
You clearly haven't used the Duty Finder in XIV then.

>SCH has a gauge
>PLD has a gauge
>Ninja has a gauge

Are there any other gauges I should know about?

>>377777082
girls dont have dicks, fuck off gay

>>377777098
And second wind, but that's gone too.

My point is there WAS something lost with the changes, but it shudn't effect anybody who isn't doing stupid solo challenge shit like myself, and we'll likely find plenty of use in PLD instead.

Bahamut summon looks pretty neat, and I'm sure they're going to trim a lot of the skills that no one uses, so I'm pretty happy so far.

Now I just need to know if they plan to keep Contagion stapled to Garuda.

>>377777159
Another thing Warriors lost, by the way, is being the best tank for opening up a pull. Because now, if they try that shit, they lose out on three Fell Cleaves in their opener.

>>377777294
Every class.

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>>377777128
That Alphinaud is so good.
Alisaie is kinda meh. I've yet to see someone do a decent cosplay of her.
That Louisoix is just unnerving.

>>377777082
Id hope so

>>377777294
MCH, SAM, DRG have gauges.

>>377777326
Bout time they were knocked down a peg desu

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w-white mage and scholar WILL be the meta again or yoshi-p will HANG for his crimes

>>377777294

Everyone got a gauge.

>>377777294
WAR has a gauge
DRK has a gauge
DRG has a gauge
RDM has TWO gauges
MCH has a gauge that works in REVERSE

WHM just has stacks though, it's really unique

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>>377777294

>>377777376
this, seems balanced now. they're still good but not literally better than every tank in all situations in all fights. AKA balanced

>>377777085
That's what I don't like about XIV, it's the opposite of that.

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>>377777424

Is Astrologian fun?

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>>377777294
*meow*

>>377777468
more than half wont even notice, theyll see a couple crits in a row and their tiny dicks will get hard

>>377777571
Uh oh someone is projecting

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>It's a proc-based dps class.

>>377777376
I agree. It's just funny to me that they spent all day talking about how they got the best changes because they can Fell Cleave even more than before, and a lot of them STILL haven't actually realized how many parts of their "irreplacable" toolkit they actually lost.

>>377777553
It feels smoother to play than the other two so maybe.

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>>377777294
>>377777562
You motherfucker

>>377772821
Are you kidding? We get a skill that draws three cards, a cool constellation attack, and MCH gets a shitload of cool moves

>>377772414
So what is WHM's SB Gimmick? Their UI shows a thing with Roses and I'm assuming after casting enough spells to get 3 roses, they can use those rose stacks on a powerful heal.

>>377777553
It has the prettiest particles of any job but you'll feel like you're constantly behind compared to healing on a WHM. Balance is completely busted though so whatever.

>>377777553
well, more than whm that's for sure.

>>377775089
>Take away that and you got a lesser SCH without a fairy.
Who the fuck uses Nocturnal AST.

>>377777838
They can spend them to reduce recast time or on their new moves.

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>Each job gets their own HUD graphic which fits with the class design and tracks the important mechanics unique to that class
>/v/: They all get a graphic? Fucking homogenization!

>>377777838
spend roses for abilities

supposedly the roses function like greased lightning stacks as well

>>377777838
I think that holding onto the stacks gives them Attack Speed, and spending them is used on something that's either a heal, shield, or buff.

>>377777839
yah going from WHM to AST feels stressful because you actually have to fucking heal sometimes, feels like you do less dps too. which you do, but you do more raid dps through balance so it doesn't matter