>It's just fucking Gaiden's maps. How do you even

>>377740282
the gameplay is a chore but the story and characters are great. never thought I'd say that about a fire emblem game

>>377740282
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I didn't think it was that bad.
Sure, it's not good map design, but game ruiner? Hardly.

>>377740568
Yeah it could of been of been one of the best games in the series. If they had just put little bit into refreshing maps. Would been better as a VN.

>>377741202
yeah. honestly I feel like even Heroes gameplay is deeper and more fun. they tried too hard to be faithful and it kinda bit them on the ass. here's hoping they take more liberties with fe4's remake

Do you use everyone or drop those that are dead weight?

>>377741821
no point in not using them since everyone gets deployed

>>377741987
yep this... Some times i kind of like watch them die. It feels satisfying to watch the shit characters die.

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>>377740282
Looks like someone doesn't know about warping and rescue.

Git Gud

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>>377741524
>>377741202
>>377740568
>>377740282
So this is the power of casuals.

>>377741524
> here's hoping they take more liberties with fe4's remake
Never going to happen now that this game failed sadly.

>>377742587
It didn't have the same sales as the other two, but considering how of it much is reused assets, did it really flop?

>>377742232
Except I do... Still doesn't fix the shitty fucking maps. It's also less fucking broken in this game. Which normally be a good thing, but... I have to actually this garbage fucking game.

>>377742565
Gaiden was never a good or deep game by any stretch of the imagination. Echoes gameplay is tedious at best and more watered down than Heroes. I'd have dropped it if I weren't so invested in the story.

>>377742739
Yeah, they actually spent a lot of money on this, full voice acting on every character including random villagers is never cheap.

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I'm about to start the new content with chapter 6, how bad is it?

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>Hmm… Oh! The other day, I was up in the mountains, right? I was sitting on a stump when this bug showed up, so I kinda start poking it. All of a sudden, a swarm of tiny SMALLER bugs burst out of its— …Hmm? I need to stop this instant? Oh. Okay.

>>377740282
Nintendo made a mistake - they went against the people who saved Fire Emblem.

What we want? Deep characters, romance, the ability to see our character make relationships with his army. What old fe """""fans""""" want? Meme characters, no avatars, no personality.

Who was right? Well, we saved the series. Nintendo needs to move back towards Awakening and Fates before it's too late.

>>377743425
>Can rename your weapons
>"Strawberry Shortblade" is too long

>/v/ constantly tells me this is a return to form by getting rid of all the waifu faggotry and having better gameplay mechanics

I'll never trust /v/ again. Fuck all of you.

>>377742565
Casual how? Gaiden is one the most fucking shallow games in the series. Are you somehow saying because we didn't enjoy a lackluster remake of one of the worst games in the series we are casuals...

Can someone explain the "echoes has bad gameplay" meme?

>>377743135
>Getting a game that you hate in the first place then complain about it
Anon

>>377743787
It's not Conquest so it's shit.

>>377743606
But that's true you fucking faggot.

>>377740282

Nearly downloaded it 3 minutes to go

What should i expect:

I played Awakening and Fates so far

>>377743787
It's called an "echo chamber". Nobody knows, and anybody who did know didn't care all that much to begin with.

>>377743787
"bad gameplay" in this case is the bland maps. They don,t care about all the polish and quality of life things and they think that it sucks because of that. Most of them never played the original just to see that this remake is great.

>>377743825
I was expecting them to fix the problems with the game. Not just drop the most problematic parts of the game in to what would other wise be a good game.

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>>377743505
>IS has obviously been trying for a Gaiden remake for along time, Fate's setup was practically gaiden lite
>finally decide to bite the bullet and do it, shift most resources to devolping FE switch while a second team remakes Gaiden
>WAAAAAAHHHH, THEY'RE TAKING AWAY MUH WAIFUS AND MUH SELF INSERT
>>377743606
>>377743787
>>377743754
Gaiden and Echoes are really fucking weird, they hardly feel like a traditional FE game, but I'm still finding it fun. The Zelda 2 comparison is really accurate, although it's making me want to snap my 3ds at some parts.

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>>377741202

>could of been of been

>>377744089
>WAAAAAAHHHH, THEY'RE TAKING AWAY MUH WAIFUS AND MUH SELF INSERT
Is that a challenge? I'm not the one crying.

I just understand business. Nintendo needs to understand when they make a serious mistake.

>The maps are bad because they don't have gimmicks
What?

>>377744165
I'm really high and don't feel like proof reading get over it.

>>377744089
>Gaiden and Echoes are really fucking weird, they hardly feel like a traditional FE game, but I'm still finding it fun. The Zelda 2 comparison is really accurate, although it's making me want to snap my 3ds at some parts.


It feels more like a rpg with grind based random battles.

>a remake of a game has content from the original and this is bad

Am I missing something?

>>377743787
It like all the pre-FE4 games are fairly shallow by current series standards you just don't have as much to consider so it feels distinctly lacking. And unlike Shadow dragon echoes doesn't have finely tuned maps that were reworked specifically for this game.

Echoes is a faithful port of gaiden and since gaiden wasn't amazing to begin with it suffers.

Product values and presentation are superb though.

>>377744323
It's "too faithful"
I guess people wanted or were expecting a complete overhaul to the maps or something?

>>377744228
A lot of Alm's maps are fine, it's mostly Celica's desert and swamp shit show that are bad.

>>377744382
This sounds reasonable.

Remember that all the map designers are working on FE Switch right now.

>>377744228
The amps are bad because, they are literal background swaps of each other. I would've been some what satisfied if they had just fixed that map with three damn paladins

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>>377740282

>How do you even fuck you even fuck up this hard?

what did he mean by this?

Did the original game have child units?

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>>377743505
>What we want? Deep characters, romance, the ability to see our character make relationships with his army. What old fe """""fans""""" want? Meme characters, no avatars, no personality.

Am I reading this correctly ?

Are you talking about awakening and Fates here ?

Deeps characters ? Personality ? no meme characters ?

This has to be bait

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>>377744214
Nintendo's probably made 3 times the budget of Echoes back with Heroes alone. You're delusional if you think FE and it's waifus is going anywhere sometime soon. They've got waifu fags by the balls.
I wouldn't mind the current FE marriage system if it had limitations on who normal units could support and romance. Being able to support EVERYONE leads the supports to be lacklust most of the time and hurts the writing and characters overall The avatar romancing everyone is fine though, that's to be expected.

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>>377740282
Just finished making this
Do with it as you will

>>377743787
I honestly can't imagine anyone playing this on permadeath with the wide open maps and 10-20 enemies coming from all sides

>>377744701
>Works out that it's a bait post
>Still give them a (you)
For what purpose?

>>377744669
No pre-Awakening the only one that had children made over the course of the game was 4

>>377744807
You still have the turnwheel.

>empty wide open maps are okay when Echoes does it

literally why? no one gave a shit about gaiden before and even most grandpas agreed it was the worst in the series but now the same flaws Awakening is roasted for is suddenly okay now?

It's more watered down and casual than Awakening, but hey, it's feeding me a bog standard JRPG plot written 30 years ago, so 10/10 return to form fuck Awakening/Fates xDDd.

>>377744669
Eugenics, weapon triangle, skills, and support bonuses all come from FE4.

Echoes is a remake of FE2.

>>377744807
Use forests, and tanks as decoys, use stronger characters in a V formation to protect the squishy ones.

Also why did nobody warn me that promoting Mae was such a mistake, now she's locked to 1 range for the counter attack

>>377745139
When the plot to a 30 year old game is better than the last 2 games you've released that supposedly saved the franchise, you've fucked up.

Awakening's plot isn't that bad actually, it's just the second third of the game is filler.

>>377745358
I don't fucking care how bad you think Fates' plot is. That being shit doesn't make Gaiden good.

Protip: Play games for yourself to form your own opinion so you can ridicule people like OP.

/v/ is chock full of prime examples, much like OP, so take your pick.

>>377745358
Fates and Awakening both have better gameplay than gaiden and echoes.

>>377745461
Second best plot in the franchise after holy war.

That said the franchise isn't actually know for it's plot.

>>377745531
I'm on act 4 and I agree with OP

does it get better?

>>377740282
I haven't really had a problem. The design is basic but workable and the other thing is because its so basic positioning is WAY more important. In the new games its obvious where to put people and where your optimum paths are. Here you have to pay a lot more attention and use attrition a lot more

>>377745531
>/v/ is chock full of prime examples, much like OP, so take your pick.
And they are the prime target for grinding dlcs.

>>377745575
>Awakening's plot isn't that bad actually, it's just the second third of the game is filler.
Apart from the witches, Echoes is fair with its difficulty, the same can't be said for Awakening, and it's on turn reniforcements, or Lunatic+ skills

>>377745676
I can't answer that for you.
If you are enjoying the game, of course, continue.
But if you are 4 acts in and still don't like it, why continue?
Not every game is for everyone.

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>>377745461
I didn't say it was good, just better than Fates and contains less filler than Awakening.
>>377745575
>Birthright and Awakening
>the same objectives over and over on flat maps
>meme conquest gameplay
>pair up, royals, and effie
>Revelations
>gimmick hell
That being said though all of them besides Rev are endlessly more replayable than Echoes, even though Birthright and Awakening are easy as shit and Conquest is a boring slog that gets worse as it goes on.

>>377742232
Good thing those don't exist on Celica's route.

>>377744228
No, they're bad because it's just a bunch of wide open fields with nothing in them.

>>377745819
I'm going to continue because I'm interested in the story. having said that its my only motivation to push through these boring tedious maps. I just wanted to know if the gameplay gets engaging at any point. I have over 800 hours logged into fates and I'm tempted to take a break and start a new file there

>>377745975
Oh like real battlefields you mean?

I actually really like the villager class and the fact you get to decide what class they become.

It makes we wish there was a FE-like game that had a full branching tree like sacred stones/awakening and most of your army starts as rookie/villager class.

It was a lot of fun saying hmm, I think you should be an archer, you should be a cleric and you should be a caviler.

>>377746065
Just play classic XCOM already

>>377746048
if I wanted a real battlefield id be playing a western war game

>>377745575
>pair up to win: the game is better than anything

LOL

Good thing they removed all percentages in game because I'm bad at math. Had to drop out to get my GED because of it. Years later and still haven't bothered with it.

>>377743505
This is some cringeworthy bait.

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>>377745934
>>Birthright and Awakening
>>the same objectives over and over on flat maps
>this poster is defending Echoes

>>377746124
classic xcom doesn't have classes, the only real difference between units in that game beside their stats are what weapons and armor you equip on them you're thinking of new-xcom.

The only other game that really does this well is like Final Fantasy 1 when you get to select your party at the start or the etrian odyssey games.

>>377745975
They have terrain.

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>>377746296
If Echoes is shit for those reasons then logic dictates that birthright and awakening are also shit

I'm glad they removed weapon triangle. It's nothing but a shitty mechanic to give you an unfair advantage during battles.

Now battles are fair, and it's not "LOLOL 100 HIT SWORDMASTER VERSUS 5 HIT BERSERKER XD" garbage.

People who like the weapon triangle, or think it adds """strategy""" are scrubs. Casual faggots who need to exploit the triangle to cheese through maps.

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>not getting the CE and the Alm/Celica Amiibos
>not sacrificing 10 HP with your Fire Emblem Amiibos which WILL save your ass from time to time

Also, who CE here?

>>377746473
theyre all shit. that's the point. echoes doesn't get a free pass to have bad gameplay just because there's no waifus

>>377746790
You were told to fuck off already.

>>377746790
play a real fire emblem sometime jesus christ

>>377746683
Does it save amiibo or do you have to scan it each time you want to use it? That sounds annoying

>>377746473

And since echoes is better on very other aspect by a mile, logic dictate that, yes, Echoes is an overall far better game than Awakening and Fates.

It baffles me that people actually defend those games. ( birthright and conquest were okayish but Awakening ? )

>>377744807

Just play better. Use the danger radius and place your units intelligently. This isn't like FE5 - FE10 where the enemies wait and let you play a conservative chicken.

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>>377746473
Yes, exactly.

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Would you guys rather have maps like Gaiden/Echoes, or maps like Chapter 8 of Binding Blade?

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I'm a filthy casual that never finishes Fire Emblem games, I like it more than fates and awakening.

>>377746969
It saves your stats on your Alm and Celica, summons them if you're in a pinch (especially if you use FE Amiibos)

>>377746548
>LOLOL 100 HIT SWORDMASTER VERSUS 5 HIT BERSERKER XD
just give him a swordreaver/swordslayer

>>377746548
>Terrain gives 40-80 Avoid
>Alm now cannot be hit
Guess they better remove terrain, it's simply there to be exploited. Warp and Rescue shouldn't be in Gaiden either, they're too exploitable.

>>377747008
maps like Thracia, RD and Conquest.

I just started Act 3 and I can't progress at all with Alm.
There's enemies constantly spawning on the map and if I take my time to kill them, they'll just keep coming back.
If I rush them, I have to do fights with double the enemies and I'll just end up dying.
I'm just not having fun.

>>377747242
That wasn't the question.
Also the only good Conquest map was Chapter 10. The rest of the "good" ones were full of dumb gimmicks.

>>377746972

Fates has changes like the Javelin Handaxe nerf which makes it superior to every other Fire Emblem game.

>>377747008
Shadow Dragon actually has some of the best maps in the franchise.

>>377747281
I'm on the Celiac map with the Cantor that summons necrodragons and I'm feeling the same way. its not even hard just tedious and cheap and overall not as fun as I thought it'd be

>>377747143
Nah I mean like you press the amiibo option and it brings up a list of amiibo you used in the past. Steam has it so you only need to scan once(until they die) so it's super convenient to use amiibo units. Fates is kinda like that in that you only really need to scan once to get them.

>>377747340
>hurrrr choke these points then kill anyone that gets close to the green squares

wow so deep and hard

>>377747340
>ninja rape cave
>the great wall of takumi
>racing to the villages
>fuga's wild ride
>holding the line with tiddies-neesan
>the stairs
I get you're following the hivemind and it's cool to hate Fates and Awakening but don't lie.

>>377747201
>give them the meme counter weapons to bypass the shitty triangle
Or get rid of the shitty mechanic all together. Only 2% of enemies are going to be carrying those weapons to be all "LOLOL YOU CAN'T WEAPON TRIANGLE YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS"
>>377747232
Terrain is perfectly balanced in Echoes. It only gives avoid, instead of avoid and defense like before. And magic doesn't give two fucks about terrain. Anyone on graveyard or supply can still get their ass fucked by magic.

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>underage nu/v/ cucks complaining about a remake being faithful and not casualized
stay mad, kids

>>377740282
>you cant just breeze through it now

Gaiden was never a breeze through game because of how slow and wonky everything was. The only way you'd breeze it is with Warp abuse and just skip every fucking map, at that point why are you even playing the game because it's not as if it had a stellar story to tell you back then.

Echoes > Conquest > Awakening > Birthright > Revelation

>>377746296
Although they are being to look at, you could argue flat maps are less of a gameplay issue in Echoes because you have significantly more range factors due to mages, archers, low res, avoid and teleporting. In Awakening the flat map is loaded with 1-2 and you can only tp backward. Fates is even more restricted.

CIA fucking where.

>>377744015
>Comparing Echoes to the even shittier source material means it's great just because it isn't as bad

(You)

>>377747824
*boring to look at

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>>377747669
>even more casual than Awakening and Birthright
>defending this
That'll be $45 for grinding and supports that should've already been in the game DLC.

>>377744538
Then they shouldn't have made the game. That's no excuse for a half-assed attempt. You do it right or you don't do it at all. Glad I pirated. Even worse is they expect us to buy the overpriced DLC for this trash? They have no respect for their fan base. Fuck them.

I like that in Echoes units are rushing at you, and even the boss will, instead of sitting on his ass in a fortress/throne and waiting you to get him.

>>377747937
No supports should have been in the game though.

>>377747563
>choke these points
There's not enough bulk on your team to choke every point on the map. Plus there's a shit-ton of Ninjas near the two most prominent chokes in the map.

>>377747648
>Any of those maps
>Good
What made Chapter 10 great is that it was just a really hard defense map. No stupid gimmicks or anything.

>>377744807
The game is easy.

>>377748034
This is an 18+ website.

>>377747937
>>even more casual than Awakening and Birthright
lol no

>>377747903
everywhere
i got the undub before the game even released

>>377744505
Nope. Alm's route reuses a lot of maps as well. His maps are just as boring.

>>377743505
Apply yourself next time.

>>377745139
FE has Awakening's bad design but is overall more challenging.

Thanks shitty growths/non-OP self insert/nonsense like Tharja having Manakete tier growth

>>377748046
Same. It's kinda funny how Echoes handled the enemy AI issue. Instead of making the AI Smart like in Fates, they made it so that the AI just zerg rushes you.

>>377747652
Alm's maps don't exactly have a wealth of magic units. If I'm remembering right, since I played the map about a month ago), when fighting Rudolph there are either no or almost no magic units. I literally TPed Alm up onto a supply tile and had him kill everything. The game is even more cheeseable than ever.

>>377748098
>What made Chapter 10 great is that it was just a really hard defense map. No stupid gimmicks or anything.

Except the water draining which is largely what makes the last turns so hectic. You just don't know what you're talking about.

What mode did you even play on, Normal?

>>377745132
It's shills hoping they'll get a good FE4 remake. Boy I can't wait to see the faces and "I told you sos" when that happens.

>>377746473
Birthright has better gameplay mechanics that Echoes.

I never thought I'd see a day where contrarian faggots actually think Gaiden/Echoes has better gameplay than Conquest.

reminder that the enemies rushing you isn't even a problem if you're just smart at how you place units

>>377748412
Fates AI is stupid as fuck. It's just more "stand in range and bait them" like in every other game.

>>377747008
Wait, what's wrong with Chapter 8's map?

>>377748472
Hard.
The Water Draining is only hectic if you let it phase you, it really doesn't change the map that much if you know what you're doing.

>>377748534
>Doesn't attack if they can't deal damage or debuff you.
>Some enemies will literally not move unless you're killable.

Case in point: enemies in Ryoma's chapter will not move until they Lunge you.

>>377748503
>I never thought I'd see a day where contrarian faggots actually think Gaiden/Echoes has better gameplay than Conquest.

A lot of the "veteran" fanbase upset over the new direction are storyfags who only pretend they care about the gameplay.

>>377748163
Continue being a cuck.

>>377748680
>Hard.
Oh that explains a lot. Fuck off you're full of shit.

So now that Echoes flopped, can we all agree Awakening/Fates was vindicated by history?

>>377747803
>Echoes
>Better than Conquest

FE Gaiden is only better than Revelations, which is gimmick hell.

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>>377748534
>stand in range and bait them
>they don't take the bait

>ask my friend if he's getting gaiden
>"can you have child units?"
>no, bu-
>"not interested
My other friend said the same thing, what the fuck.

>hurr Echoes maps are as bad as Awakening
There is not a single map in Awakening that was as challenging as Desaix's Fortress. Even that map required more strategy than anything in Awakening. Gameplay is more than just maps. Gaiden/Echoes just puts more of its eggs in the mechanics basket than the map basket compared to other FEs.

It's just different. Different =/= bad. It's a good game despite being so different from the standard of the series just like how Zelda II is a good game despite not being your standard Zelda.

It's been a couple years since I've played the NES version of Gaiden but fuck I forgot how abysmal growth rates are.

Seems like Tobin isn't as nearly as shit-tier as he used to be though.

>>377747937
NES era bad game design makes this a harder game than Awakening/Birthright.

Gaiden is still shit, but it's harder than Awakening and Birthright.

>>377748178
Mila's Turnwheel is just as bad as Phoenix mode and it's present in all modes.

>Revival Wells
>Retreating and dead enemies not coming back when you Retreat
>Mila's Turnwheel

Echoes is definitely the most casual Fire Emblem game.

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>>377740282
>>It's just fucking Gaiden's maps.
Seriously, why did they not at least try and redo some of the maps? Or at least alter them to be similar to the originals but just made better?
I'm only just now getting to the Hideout and so far it's been horrible

>>377748784
>Echoes
>Flopped
I love this meme

>Fates gameplay
>good
>literally "silver weapons are fucking shit" the game

Echoes did the infinite dura right. Silver weapons are actually usable, and even Steel weapons as well.

>>377748652
The long ass corridor at the beginning.
It has less than 10 enemies total and is just a boring slog that wastes 8 or so turns.

>>377747648
>>377748098
Great Wall of Takumi and Ice Village are pretty gimmick free chapters. Thanks for showing that you haven't actually played the game.

>>377748534
>It's just more "stand in range and bait them"
You forgot the part where they don't get baited.

>>377749009
Silver Weapons are only shit if you're the kind of shitter who just leaves it equipped on someone and have them tank a million enemy phases.

>>377748910
Zelda 2 is not a slog to play through.

>>377747903
3DSISO. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays before even the official launch date. Should've looked harder.

>>377748952
>look at this optional shit
And even then, nothing is worse than Phoenix mode.

>>377748910
The chapter where you're defending Emmeryn.

>>377749154
I was looking right before making that post and 3DSISO is down.

Are Pretendos really trying to pretend Echoes is bad?

Ha ha.

The simpler maps complement the game really well, I think. It keeps the action going at a fast pace. I'm really enjoying myself so far.

>>377748910
>Zelda 2 is a good game
Gaidenfags confirmed for contrarians.

>>377748910
Paralogue maps in Awakening in general had good map design, just bullshit level balancing.

>>377748937
The only characters that seem to have growth rates as bad as the original are Clive and Gray.

>>377748503
I have zero faith in a FE4 remake.

I expect plot-mutilation from both parts of Nintendo.

In b4 the next "Waifu Emblem" is 7/6 remake feat playable Mark.

>>377748978
Even worse is that they are selling us the same maps in the base game as DLC.

>>377749009
>>literally "silver weapons are fucking shit" the game

Silver Weapons are burst damage for when you need to finish off enemies. There not needed at all so there's really no need to even be upset over this.

>>377749216
Until you have to fight on the same fucking shitty open field map while the enemy is spamming Paladin and Bow Knight reinforcements that you have to continually kill or risk being ambushed or having to fight off 20 of them at a time in that shitty open field map.

>>377749226
Jokes on you, I don't like Zelda games.

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>We're gonna make a remake of a Famicom game made in 1992
>We're gonna preserve some of the original mechanics, so this is gonna play like an early 90s Famicom game
>"Wahhh this plays nothing like a 2017 game! It sucks!"

>>377748534

Fates AI is the best in the series if it's possible to kill one of your units the enemies take into account attack stance and their allies attack power so an enemy will choose 1 damage over 10 to another unit if it means another enemy in range can kill the one it deals 1 damage to afterwards.

>>377749307
>In b4 the next "Waifu Emblem" is 7/6 remake feat playable Mark.
>Getting to romance Lyn and Ninian

I will unironically buy that game and you can't stop me.

>>377749140
Silver weapons are trash and not worth it at all when you can just use an iron or steel weapon for better results.
Infinite dura is shit in Echoes because of how crappy the weapons got nerfed in exchange. Shuriken/kunai debuffing all your stats is retarded as fuck as well.
>>377749348
No need for that when Effie can oneshot anything with a steel lance. Silver weapons are literally junk in this game.

>>377749172
Being optional doesn't mean it isn't bad. If Fates or Awakening had something like Mila's Turnwheel you'd all be flipping your shit and crying about how nuemblem is casualizing the series and that Fire Emblem is dead.

Conquest > Echoes >>>>> Birthright >>>>>>>>>>> Awakening >>>>>>>>>>> Revelation

>>377749426
There are some old games that were broken shit even back then compared to the previous game

Gaiden, FF2 and Simon's Quest are prime examples

>>377747669
>Good level design is casual now.

Whatever makes you feel better than everyone.

>>377749531
It's just a quicker version of reset. Only shitposters like you are making a big production out of it. Don't bother pretending otherwise.

>>377749426
Which is why they didn't add the weapon triangle to Shadow Dragon.

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>>377749531
You casual faggot are just going to reset when you lose a unit when playing classic. The turnwheel is there to save you all the tedium of starting the map all over again.

>n-no I play on permadeath only!
Sure you do, pal. Getting 1% crits in Echoes and your units killed is so fun and hardcore.

>>377742565
Not an argument
Thats an authentic /feg/ meme btw

>>377749529
They're not junk just situational. Silver Weapons would be broken if they didn't continually drop your stats after use. And if you think Hero Xander is broken now...

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>>377740282
>tfw no genealogy or thracia remake

Is anyone actually having fun with Echos? I'm only 3 hours in but it feels like a fucking chore even compared to Birthright.

>>377749772
Silver weapons are not broken in Echoes and they don't debuff you after use.

>>377742565
You guys are as bad as SMTards.

>>377749426
When did anyone say anything about 2017? Gaiden has the worst maps of any FE Game ever. They honestly could of just dropped in FE1 maps and I would've been happy.

>>377749897
gets better in the 3rd ACT

So far on playing normal casual Echoes I have lost once to Zeke and Jerome, Once to the desert fortress, twice to Nuibaba and twice to the Tower Of Duma
I don't think I lost a single battle on hard in Birthright but in Conquest I lost 3 times on to the Takumi harbor but never again because I just ended up slogging through everything with MU and Xander paired with no other usable units
This is a good thing

>>377740282
>The remake is exactly like the game it's based on WAAAHHHHH
You're a fucking retard

>>377744015
As an eternal DM whose players have a stupid aversion to dungeons and every fight is in an open field, Echoes's maps are just fine for me. Flanking is needed though.

>>377749569
Swap Echoes with Conquest, Birthright and Awakening and lower the second gap

I just got to say, props to the artist for making such beautiful character designs.

A really big shame that it has to be on the 3DS's shitty screen and resolution. Hopefully there will be an artbook.

post faye

>>377749569
Make a larger power gap after Revelation and put Echoes there.

>>377749529
Silver weapons have a 4 mt lead on the other weapons. You'd have to use it in two engagements before your Str drops to lower your might to the equivalent of equipping an unforged Steel, and even then Silver doesn't have the -3 Atk Spd of Steel. In a situation where you need to secure a kill on a unit, the Silver can have the Mt. lead/speed lead to finish them off over Steel or Iron.

Also, Effie can't be everywhere at once. Silver weapons are good filler weapons for characters that need the extra boost.

>>377750121
I was about to make a "Shut up ___" post but then I remember no one loves Faye

>>377749986
>muh Conquest is SO hard and good, guys!
>literally Corrin, Xander and Effie make the game irrelevant
Only Birthright Ryoma is a bigger meme.

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>>377740568
>story and characters are great

pfafafaf

you're joking right

Story and characters were both so inoffensively bland I found myself actually hoping for the entertaining fuckup that was Fate's story. Alm and Celica are both boring as fuck protagonists, the setting is generic Middle Earth like every other FE, and the plot is the most straightforward, linear, predictable plot in any FE ever. "Farm boy is actually a lost prince and goes on a journey to slay an ancient evil." IT PLAYS IT COMPLETELY STRAIGHT. This game sets a new bar for "mediocrity" in videogame writing.

>>377750205
Alm can solo act 1 by himself.
You're making the game harder if you're bothering to use other units.

>>377750205
"Didn't read the post" The post
I meant that I didn't find it that much hard and more tedious than anything

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>>377750205
>and Effie

>>377750040
What even is this argument? What's the point of remaking a game if not to fix it's flaws, and make it more playable?

>>377750374
Because you play like shit.

>>377750301
Alm and Celica are better than Corrin.
The story is better than Fates, despite being simple.
The characters aren't walking cliches like Fates.

>>377750387
The point of a remake is to just introduce an older game to a fresh fanbase. Particularly in the case of games that were initially Japan only.

>>377749747
I don't reset faggot.

>>377749747
>Sure you do, pal. Getting 1% crits in Echoes and your units killed is so fun and hardcore.

Critical hits can be worked around. That's what the luck stat is there for. And no I don't reset when I lose a unit to a random critical. I lost Camilla to Fuga's wild ride because of a random critical hit and kept going on. Kaga said you should accept permanent death. Being stripped of units and figuring out a new strategy around the lose of your units is a part of the difficulty of Fire Emblem.

>>377749719
The game is easy enough and Mila's Turnwheel allows the player to do some cheesy things. It's not just a quick reset. It allows you to rewind to any turn of the battle which is ridiculous and makes it virtually impossible to have a game over.

>>377750771
>muh creator's vision
He's a shitlord who made a bunch of shitty Fire Emblems. The franchise got better when his sorry ass left.

>>377750452
Fates took a risk. It failed spectacularly, but damn if it wasn't entertaining.

Echoes just played everything too safe. Plot was cliche, boring, and predictable.

>>377750452
What I'm getting from this thread is that I'd be better off watching the story cutscenes on youtube than actually playing through this game, just like how you can get the bulk of your FE:A/Fates experience from watching the support conversations on youtube.

>>377750452
>NO UR WRONG ITS JUST BETTER

Okay.

>>377750862
>He's a shitlord who made a bunch of shitty Fire Emblems.
Yeah like Gaiden.

is atlas any good as a soldier? or is he only good as a merc?

>>377750771
You idiot realize the wheel has limited uses, right?

>>377750452
>Alm and Celica are better than Corrin.
>and Celica
debatable

>>377750880
I don't know, Gaiden's plot seemed sort of ambitious for what was basically a NES game. All Echoes really does is try to flesh the basic outline out more, which was always the better Fire Emblems' stronger points to begin with.

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I'm having fun with Echoes and love the story presentation and characters so far, but goddamn am I glad you anti-Nu Emblem fags are getting BTFO and being exposed for the true casuals you really are.

You fags don't play this series for the gameplay. Stop pretending you know anything about it.

>>377751061
Celica detests war but isn't an insufferable bitch cunt like Corrin is about it.

>>377751010
Yes, 12 uses which is more than enough in a game as easy as Echoes.

12 uses to rewind to any turn in the battle doesn't sound ridiculous you faggot?

I've only used the Turnwheel like 3 times because I made a misclick
Does that still make me a casual?

>grind like crazy for Desaix
>he's still basically impossible to beat in chapter 1 without cheesing

>>377751157
Less ridiculous than dead units coming back to life in the next turn.

Echoes is my second FE after Awakening since I skipped Fates.

Echoes is a way better game.

>Overworld map, bringing some of that Final Fantasy Tactics (a superior series) flavor
>Enemies respawn and move on the map providing many gameplay opportunities
>Items and Recruits hide within Settlements and can completely missed/ignored
>learn abilities from Equipment
>No Rock-Paper-Scissors meme gameplay with the Weapon Triangle
>the Healers are fucking amazing
>Artstyle is fantastic, straddles the line between an early 90s style and contemporary polish, just take a look at Atlas' portrait

Only gripes I have so far is that the music has been nothing special and Alm's army is way shittier character-wise than Celica's

>it's the effie solos conquest and kagas vision faggot again

>>377751149
>Celica detests war but isn't an insufferable bitch cunt like Corrin is about it.
She's far worse about it actually.

>>377751136
>Gaiden's plot seemed sort of ambitious for what was basically a NES game.
By modern day standards though it reads like a teenager's fantasy rip-off that plays literally every cliche straight.

And there are a lot of cliches.

>>377751287
Awakening is trash, so it's not hard to be better than it.

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Beat the game today on Hard, got up to level 9 in the postdungeon before dying

Overall it was a decent game. I went into it with no expectations but was pleasantly surprised. The shitty maps and weird mechanics were more palatable than I expected, and Mila's Turnwheel was especially great, but overall I still sorely missed the more modern FE mechanics. The ability to use more than 1 weapon, better support mechanics, higher growth rates, buying weapons/items, etc. the game is noticeably dated. Combat felt extremely slow compared to newer titles, units take ages to die and kill anything.

Not all the new mechanics work well either. Dungeon crawling sucks ass, and the game goes out of its way to force random encounters on you, which wouldn't be a problem if the encounters weren't so tedious. There were a maps that were particularly atrocious, in particular the desert/swamp maps, the Cantor maps, and the maps that had the unholy union of both.

Overall mediocre FE game.

Conquest >> RD > PoR > FE7 > SS > Echoes > Birthright > Awakening > Revelations > FE6

>>377751287
You say learn abilities from equipment, but I hate the system for skills in the game. You can't transfer them over between weapons. This makes some skills completely worthless because they're stuck on a sub-par weapon.

>Iron Bow has an ability that greatly increases accuracy
>Steel Bow has an ability that can't hit worth a damn
>Iron Bow has shit mt, so you use the steel bow, but the Steel bow slows you down.

What good is it having all these skills if I won't ever get to use most of them because they're stuck on subpar equipment?

>>377740568
>story and characters are great
How full of shit are you wow lol

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This game is literally Zelda II. That's all there is to it. Purists hate it for not being exactly like the rest of the series while others can appreciate it for what it is and recognize that it's different but still fun in its own way.

>>377751327

Not him but I really hate that mindset where people see shit as cliche just because a lot of later works do the same thing. Yeah a lot of shows copied Seinfeld's formula to the point that it is a formula now, but it doesn't change that it broke ground at the time.

You judge a work by the standard of its time.

>>377740282

It's almost like it's a remake of the game or something. Wow literally the act of a remake being a remake makes something "literal garbage" now too. Huh, not looking like terrible many options left for things to not be awful now is there.

>>377751702
I thought people hated Zelda 2 because it was really hard

>>377751628
>Plenitude would be an amazing skill
>except it's stuck on a weapon destined to become Celica's Prf weapon
>stats aren't even that great

>>377751245
A lancer can use Armorcrush on him

>>377743246

Oh you know the absolute worst and such. No redeeming qualities and that. Worst idea ever, flopped, sold bad and other things like that too I'm supposed to say.

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>>377751628
The point is that you have to actually make decisions instead of piling all the perks you can together for the sake of eliminating all weaknesses.

>>377751719
Cliches are predictable and easy to write.

>>377750301
Wouldn't that bar have been set some time ago when the original game came out?

>>377743505

This guy knows how to get replies.

>>377743787

Newest entry out in a popular franchise therefore the worst thing ever. Nothing particularly complex about it.

>>377751958

But if it's not a cliche back when it was written, that's not the same thing nor was it predictable.

>>377751719
>it broke ground at the time.
you can't seriously be considering a beloved comedy classic to fucking Gaiden. Nobody gives a fuck about Gaiden, saying it "broke new ground" is stupid

>>377751628
There were a lot of problems with the weapon system. The biggest problem I had was the 1-item limit, you can't equip several different weapons and choose one when the situation calls for it. You also can't equip healing items (well you can but it's stupid to do so). You can't determine which weapon to be equipped on enemy phase so you get stupid shit like Priestesses using their sword to counterattack Terrors instead of Seraphim. There's also NOTHING gold/silver is used for besides crafting.

Most of the combat arts suck ass also

>>377751702
>>377751702
Zelda 2 isn't even really hated. It's just not given a lot of attention.

>>377743997

This. You just say your shit your expected to say, get your replies and that's it really.

>>377752008
Doesn't matter what it was back then. Focus on the now.

>>377751603
>The ability to use more than 1 weapon
>buying weapons/items
If you have these complaints, then you completely missed the point of the game. It's a JRPG/SPRG hybrid. Weapons are basically like equipment in a Final Fantasy game. That's why they're both rare but really good at the same time.
>higher growth rates
I can't believe people are complaining about this. If you were talking about the original Gaiden sure, but Echoes bumped the growth rates up to GBA levels and people are still complaining? You fags have been spoiled too much by NuFE's retarded high ass growths.

The Zelda 2 comparisons are sound because just like that there's a lot of people that are pretending to have played Gaiden.

>>377751986
>Acting like Gaiden having terrible gameplay hasn't been the opinion of many way before Echoes was even announced

(You)

>>377752154
>NuFE's retarded high ass growths

What exactly is retarded about high growths if the game is actually balanced around that?

>>377752036
>Nobody gives a fuck about Gaiden, saying it "broke new ground" is stupid

Actually it did do things that went against the standard of jrpg plots
>both sides are initially portrayed as fighting a black and white conflict like basically all jrpg wars of the time when in reality Zofia was filled with corrupt nobles while Rigel geniunely is trying to do the right thing in the long run
>The standard evil god isn't actually evil, he just disagrees with how things should be run and bows out when you defeat him

>>377752129

So you're saying you basically will read nothing written before 1970?

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>>377752036
The 1 item limit is so easily gotten around by simple unit positioning. Just put the unit with the weapon you need for a situation at that situation.

>>377752154
>If you have these complaints, then you completely missed the point of the game
No, I understood the point of the game. I just strongly prefer modern equipment/weapon systems to the highly restrictive system in SoV.

Shit growths are shit growths. Level-ups should feel good, not disappointing every single time. Getting nothing but +1 HP is fucking dumb. If Conquest has shown has anything, it's that it's perfectly possible to balance a game around high growths.

>>377752036
>Alm's Royal Sword gets Double Lion for a Brave Attack.
>Is the only art that hits twice
>Forced to use his shitty ass Falchion that has a completely garbage weapon art.

Why.

>>377741821

You can only deploy 10 units in the final bonus dungeon of the game so no point in using all of them.

>>377752460
>Is the only art that hits twice
I was sure Astra is on a sword

>>377752302
Because it makes units all feel the same when they all have high chances of getting every stat. It makes every level up less special too. It's not even necessary anyway. FE is a series that plays on low numbers. You don't need 5 stat level ups each time to do well. A lot of the games are beatable with 0% growths. It just casualizes the games even more.

GBA growths are perfect. Not super low like Kaga games but not retarded high like the 3DS games, they're balanced.

>>377752438
stupid, terrible argument. I'm talking about shit like equipping both iron and steel weapons so you can use Steel if Iron doesn't double, or the Levin Sword if you're coming up against high-DEF units. I like the game but handwaving its dated mechanics is stupid, god you Echoesfags are braindead

>>377752302
For starters, it makes lower leveled recruits a lot harder to catch up when the gap in stats between levels is greater due to higher growths. It just encourages the use of a select few characters who eventually steamroll everything thanks to overleveling with said higher growths and the game turns into a fucking joke. A balanced Fire Emblem is a Fire Emblem catering to base stats with low growth rates.

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>my units keep dying in Act 4
What the fuck, do I just go back and grind?

Can I still get the Draco shield if I didn't get it in Chapter 1?

>>377743246

Remember Tartarus in Persona 3 ? It's exactly like that, except you can't save anywhere.

>>377752457
>Level-ups should feel good, not disappointing every single time.
They are disappointing because you are used to higher growths

>Getting nothing but +1 HP is fucking dumb.
Average is 2-3 stats per level

>>377752608
Just use the unit with the steel or iron weapon then. Why are you so insistent on having one unit capable of handling so many things by themself?

>>377752582
Oh right, I'd forgotten about Astra since I haven't bothered grinding one out.

>>377752661
https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-echoes-shadows-valentia/miscellaneous/random-items/
Enjoy shit tier drop rates, we MMORPG now.

On a more serious note, you can get an infinite amount, there's also a quest for infinite amounts, but they require 4 Dragon Scales which are rare themselves. Send any Celica gets to Alm if you wanna get a shield.

Is this game really that bad? I'm regretting buying it and it's not even here yet.

>>377752812
Low movement makes using other units a chore.

>>377752854
>https://serenesforest.net/fire-emblem-echoes-shadows-valentia/miscellaneous/random-items/
>Them drop rates tho
For fuck sakes, it'd be easier just resetting and trying to kill Desaix for this shit.

I don't care what anyone says, it's so refreshing having a main main character again that isn't a OC dunot steel edition that you can't have in cutscenes.

>>377752898
I'm enjoying it

>>377751719
>You judge a work by the standard of its time.
No you don't.

>>377752898
It's very polarizing. It's missing many of the standard Fire Emblem mechanics, replaced with it's own unique ones. The maps are also known for being boring in Gaiden, which hasn't been improved. Story wise, it's decent, although I found it a little boring.

Personally, I didn't like it very much.

>>377753002
Plan better then.

>>377752898
You really just have to try it for yourself. It's too different from the rest of the series to take any one person's opinion to heart because mileage varies greatly with this one.

>>377753098
Why bother planning when Alm can rape the enemy by himself most of the time anyway

>>377753202
Why bother training other Pokemon when Nidoking can solo the entire game

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>complain game is easy
>but then also complain that growths are shit
If the game is so easy, then why does it bother you that the growths are low. Because if it was easy, then it means they didn't really hamper you? The game has flaws, but some of these complaints are just inconsistent.

>>377753382
It's almost like there are multiple complaints being expressed by multiple people.

I like the little loli girl

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>>377753382
>but some of these complaints are just inconsistent.
Because every critic post is by one Anon :^)

>>377753382
Maybe they just feel that they got shitty units and still managed to beat the game with them and that must mean the game is too easy compared to other games with bigger numbers.

>>377752781
No they are disappointing period. Humans in general like to be rewarded for their efforts.

>>377746790
>Awakening on god
should be on top at most
>Conquest on top
should be on God, haven't played sacred stones so I don't know if you were just going for your personal top 3 and dropped conquest down
>Birthright on mid
c'mon man

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OOOO SO NOW YOU RAIKU AWAIKANING AN FATESU

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>>377753530
Explain further.

>>377749956

"could have" you fucking retard !

>>377753636
And you are rewarded. FE is a game about low numbers. Just getting 1 Spd can make a huge difference on the next map. You're just a spoiled brat who wants +1 to 5 stats every level up.

>>377753674

She's cute and funny.

I want to protect her smile.

>>377750452
>comparing bad shit to worse shit makes bad shit good

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>>377748534
>oldfags need to literally lie in order to make it seem like Conquest is shit
Kill yourself. Conquest was a return to form for the series after Awakening, and Echoes is the same shit. I hope the Switch FE brings none of the mechanics of Echoes and just focuses on the gameplay of RD and Conquest.

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>>377753636
I found the proper series for you

>>377752457
>If Conquest has shown has anything, it's that it's perfectly possible to balance a game around high growths.
There's a lot of characters in Conquest that were near useless because they had such mediocre starting stats compared to the stats your army has when recruiting them.
The only characters you get past the first ten or so chapters that are good are the Royals and the Children. Everyone else is outdated by the time you get them.

>>377753880
Echoes feels more like Classic FE than Conquest did.

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>>377747648
>the stairs
that chapter was made to make classic players lose units at least once per run because that shit gets nonsensical
>>377748098
>chapter 10
>the one with at least 3 gimmicks

>>377752634
Except Conquest, which had very high growths, is the most balanced and challenging game in the series. Echoes was piss-easy with absolutely garbage unit balance

>>377753880
Conquest is literally Awakening except pair up isn't busted anymore. What the fuck are you talking about?
And the weapon triangle in conquest is hot garbage, as well as the shitty OP skills that make units overly broken or just plain retarded

>>377752812
because they're not using steel or iron weapons you fucking retard holy shit

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>>377754102
>Conquest is the most challenging game in the series
LOL
My god, I can't believe there are retards who unironically believe this.
Just how much do you fucking suck at FE?
Jesus christ.

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>>377751603
>PoR
>Higher than FE7

>>377753375
Because Nidoking is fucking rad but he is humble and lets the other pokemon have fun.

>>377754258
>MUH EPIC BATTLE ANIMATIONS HECTOR XD

>>377753382
>most people are total shit
>Promotions force your stats to the base of the promotion while giving you nothing if you're over
>Villager to Merc alone is worth usually SIX speed and SIX skill
>Knight has minimums of like 14 str and 13 defense, giving you a literal brick wall regardless of their stats beforehand

The growths are shit and the characters are shit but promoting at 7 and 10 gives you like 30 levels worth of stats for free which makes a shitty unit a suddenly not shitty unit.

Fucking Clair promotion to Falco usually gives her 12+ Hp taking her up into the 35s on top of having like 10 defense and 7 resistance, that makes her better than 80% of the mounted units in the game.

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>>377754102
>Conquest
>the most balanced and challenging game in the series

>>377750301

Look man, the bar is set so low after Awakening and Fates that we'll be glad to have game that handles its story competently even if it needs its hand held from the standard cliches.

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>>377754102
Yes, soloing the game with Xander and Corrin is so hard.

>>377752603
I don't think that's true. But even if that were true there are still things like personal skills that help to make units unique as well as caps.

You can view the averages of FE14 units here and see how they differentiate.

https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/hiushi/FE14AverageStats/blob/master/index.html

>>377753935
>Everyone else is outdated by the time you get them.
That's how it is in every FE, because the units you invested time in earlygame SHOULD be better than prepromotes handed to you on a silver platter. Ironically, Conquest did prepromotes much better than Echoes and the GBA titles. Nomah, Mycen, Est, Jessen, Atlas, etc. are all complete garbage.

Games can be balanced around both high growths and low growths, and your argument of "low growths = more balanced gameplay" is moot when Conquest had by far the best unit balance in the series.

>>377754459
I don't even see how Echoes adheres to standard cliches. Only in terms of what was kept from the original game but then again, it's a remake of a fucking NES game. What do you expect?

IS at least fleshed out the story to make it feel a lot less aged. The kingdoms are very grey, pretty much exactly the opposite of Hoshido and Nohr. The subplot about nobility and common folk is pretty good too, it reminds me of Path of Radiance.

>>377754497
>>377754432
>>377754235
not an argument

>>377754621
>Est
>Jesse
>Atlas
>garbage

Est is literally better than her sisters and Atlas fucking laughs at Saber and Kamui.

>>377753965
Yeah I remember shitty maps, terrible mechanics, and dungeon crawling in PoR, RD, 7, 12, and 5. Echoes is real classic.

>>377754116
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>377754497
Y'know, people always say that and I'm pretty sure it ain't true. Normal, maybe. But you really won't get away with doing that on Hard or Lunatic. Xander can literally get 1-rounded on the first map he's on.

>>377754102
>Swordmaster Corrin carrying all late game like he's a Dynasty Warriors character
>"the most balanced and challenging game in the series."

>>377747072
>Jesse
I forgot I had him

>>377754762
>le 100% crit Charlotte xD

>>377753382
Because if you've ever played Gaiden or Echoes in your lifetime you'd know that a unit doing 5 damage to a unit with about 30 HP is not fun and is a slog. It also makes that unit harder to keep up with the rest of your team when they need to be babied to be able to kill enemies for .exp.

>>377754750
>Atlas over Saber
what

Why does it hurt GBAbabies to be told that Conquest has good gameplay?

>>377740282
>How do you even fuck you even fuck up this hard?

You want to try that again champ?

>>377754762
There's more to having a Classic FE feel than map design. Conquest still has Pair Up and while it was improved a lot, it still drastically changes the way you play Fire Emblem. Echoes not having pair up makes it feel a lot more like the older games and it felt refreshing to me. I really prefer no pair up in Fire Emblem. You shouldn't have such an easy way to protect units from harm. Rescue in GBA and Tellius was a lot more balanced since it reduced the Rescuer's speed by a ton.

It also has that Classic FE feel in plot and tone too, you actually feel like this is a war whereas Awakening and Fates just feel like the cast is mucking about on their own little adventure, not fighting a war. You actually see Alm leading men into battle.

>>377754419
I keep leveling them up in hopes of ATK before I promote

My Mae is insane

>>377748910
Priam's map
Aversa's map

I liked Supports being story blocked but I felt they needed some more work put into them

>>377755083
>maps that aren't part of the main game
Uh, lol?

>>377754872
fucking this so much. Combat in Echoes was unbearably fucking slow, offensive states are so gimped compared to defensive stats. It took ages to kill anything and your tank units were practically gods. Coupled with the small maps, terrain bonuses, and facerushing enemy AI, combat was extremely slow and repetitive.

It's not until late lategame when you get high Crit weapons that combat picks up

>>377754235
Which is the hardest then? I'm genuinely curious.

>>377755006
All i remember from Fates is endless Corrin cocksucking and the king turning out to be a slime monster.

My biggest problem with the game is that units don't really seem to have their own distinct traits what with them all learning the same skills. Considering everyone besides the villagers are bound to the same tree you would have no reason to use Clive over Matilda or Boey over Mae because they're literally the same units

>>377755175
>Not a single map in awakening
>What about these maps that are in awakening
>uh, lol?

>>377755259
FE5 or FE6

>>377755006
>small-ass maps with enemies bumrushing you
>"classic FE design"

yeah no. Classic FE design is large maps where you're severely outnumbered by enemies, not tiny maps where the enemy has has many units as you do. On dungeon encounters I felt like I was picking on a mentally retarded kid, a few scrawny terrors up against a whole army

>>377755331
>same-turn reinforcements
>"difficult"

this is the kind of retard that hates Conquest

lmao

>>377755234
>>377755350
The dungeon maps are just meant to be quick encounters, that's why they're small you retards.

I hate repeating myself for the 200th time, but the game is an SRPG mixed with JRPG elements, those are supposed to represent random encounters.

>Echoes
>units have actual motives for joining your army. You rescued them, or rescued their family, or they're just being hired

>Fates
>oh yeah hi, I'm the royal's retainer, so I guess I'll join your army now

>>377754650
>I don't even see how Echoes adheres to standard cliches

The anon I responded to was referring to the village boy of noble lineage unbeknownst to him and Alm and Celica's personalities not exactly being unique.

The difference is that Echoes is well written so the characters and world are fleshed out and aren't walking archetypes.

>>377748412
In Jamil map two Arcanists can get stuck healing each other over and over again, I burst out laughing when I saw that happen.

>>377755281
Also there's no real replay value. I played Awakening around 6 times making sure to use different units with different classes than the previous times and making unique parings each time. Can't really do that in Echoes

>>377755331

FE6 HHM is hard for first 7 chapter, mostly because your units are just shitty. After that it gets much easier.

>>377755512
>the man/woman I'm in service to ordered me to fight for you
How is that not a good reason?

>>377754965
It's not all GBAbabies. Many GBA players like Conquest on Serenesforest because it's like a mix of old and modern Fire Emblem.

How the fuck do you beat Zakson map?

>>377755492
stop fucking saying "It's a JRP!" we already fucking get it. It's not a fucking excuse. You can mix dirt with water and it won't be a good reason for drinking it down. JRPG elements suck ass when mixed with FE elements, stop fucking throwing that statement around like it excuses terrible mechanics.

>>377755281
All the magic users get different spells. Unit stats are also pretty distinct. Mae is much faster than Boey while Boey has better defenses.

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>>377755095
Some weren't too bad, but there were a lot of shitters, many of them being among Alm's starting group which really sets some bad first impressions. The base conversations and other little interactions given here and there help so much more than the supports do for the most part. Even the story scenes given to some of the few side characters privileged to get them help a lot.

Do the characters who do show up in scenes actually die though? One of the annoying things about Fates was how if a character gets even one or two lines beyond their recruitment, they just never actually "die" when they fall, they just retreat so that IS wouldn't have to write an extra small branch for any of that character's scenes. I never really tested this at all in Echoes to see how far they went with this. It'd be nice if we could get Path of Radiance levels of branching scenes based on units dying again.

>>377755715

I started with GBA then SNES, GC, Wii and Conquest is still the best.

>>377755736
It feels like Shining Force or Tactics Ogre, how is that bad?

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>>377754838
Charlotte can't have 100% crit rate unless you use the grinding DLC to get shit loads of gold, exp, and buy skills.

>>377755006
>Conquest still has Pair Up and while it was improved a lot, it still drastically changes the way you play Fire Emblem.
No? FE is a about unit positioning and Conquest is the second best game to make use of it.
>You shouldn't have such an easy way to protect units from harm. Rescue in GBA and Tellius was a lot more balanced since it reduced the Rescuer's speed by a ton.
Expect that's a lie because you never use rescue with normal units and only with horse units because of canto. Also Conquest has rescue.

>you actually feel like this is a war
Is this a joke? You don't feel at war at all in this game. Conquest and RD (sorta FE4 because of the large maps) were the only games were you felt like you were really in all war. There are two phases of battle, either you had the advantage or the enemy did and it felt like a tug of war struggle.

>>377748910
The castle maps are highlights, but they are very few

>>377755792

In Echoes, all characters who show up in cut-scene just retreat.

>>377755706
The problem with Fates was that nearly every single character was a royal or a retainer in some way, it just felt like there wasn't any variety. Part of the charm of Fire Emblem is going out into your adventure and finding a bunch of random ragtag losers that just decide to join you. It makes it more exciting.

>>377755865
Countless reasons are already given in this thread. I'm not going to go through every one of them, but the main ones are slow combat, tedious and repetitive encounters, restrictive weapon system, and terrible map design

>>377755958
>the shitter from IGN bitching about muh marriage
Read the Gamespot's review for an accurate review of Fates not done by an asshurt nu-FE bitch.

>>377756081
Love how you read only what you want to.