>24 year old teacher (male) fucks his 17 year old student

dogshit and hypocricy

Oh boy this thread again

>>377703729
its ok when women do it

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He's supposed to be 24?

I thought he was at the least in his thirties.

I feel old now.

>>377703729
The second is instigated by the student and not the teacher.

>>377703729
Can someone buy these teachers a fucking hairbrush?

>>377703729
The only explanation needed is OP is a stupid faggot for conflating two very different situations.

>>377703729
He did it with someone who didn't want to do it, it was rape.

The protagonist can give his consent, both were willing.

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>unwilling female forced to pleasure her teacher
>willing male gently loves his teacher

kys

>>377703914
>hahaha female statutory rape is FREAKING EPIC DUDE!

>>377703729
The female teacher is a qt while the man isn't

To me

>>377703729
Think about this for a second, OP. Try and identify which characters in each scenario are in it for the sex.

>>377703897
>>377703934
>>377703946
>>377704003
Okay, so Joker is blackmailing his teacher.

Isn't Joker a bad guy then?

>>377703934
>>377703946
>le she didn't want it meme

kys white knight cucks every woman wants cock.

>>377703729
I don't know OP, most people would argue that the latter was two people who very much want to do it, while the former made the 17 year old girl try to fucking kill herself. If your relationships typically end like that, there is a problem you need to address.

>>377703729

>Fuck an unwilling girl
>Get sent to prison

>Fuck a willing girl
>It's ok

EXPLAIN THIS

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>>377703729
>24 year old teacher (female) fucks her 17 year old student (male) to keep him quiet about her moonlighting as a prostitute
>comic relief confidant


Nice.

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>>377703729
>I don't know what consent is: the post

>>377703948

Not the US.

Not all countries are religious shit holes like yours.

17 is legal.

>>377704019
Yes, but he's a minor and she's an adult so what the fuck are you going to do? Lock him up for seducing her?

>>377703729
now hold up guys, don't judge OP too harshly. maybe he has discovered an interesting fact about the plot to persona 5. in many ways, kawakami could be another evil adult -- in fact, she could just be a trap that gets sprung on the unsuspecting 17 year old and symbolizes how the system will always trap even the greatest thief.

>>377704019
Yes
He also brainwashes people.
Joker and pals not being exactly good guys is a cool thing in the game dude. Fuck off back to P4

>underage person being able to consent

Surely you people arent this stupid

>>377703897
>>377703914
>>377703934
>>377703946
>>377704003
>>377704046
>>377704048
>>377704054
>>377704057
In first world countries, it's a felony for a student to engage in a sexual relationship with a teacher, even if both parties consent.

>>377703948
>proving my point by talking about things that never happened

Great motherfucking job dumbass.

>>377704054
have you tried not wanting to fuck underage girls

>>377704162
>Being a lawfag

>>377703934
> le rape meme
Dude, he was a former Olympian and an authority figure. She may not have explicity "asked for it", but she was definitly "asking for it"

Girl's like powerful men who take what they want. She was just to nieve to umderstand.

>>377704057
>consent mattering with the whole teacher student shit

>>377704162
>felony
>P5 MC and teacher consent
>no one knows supposedly
>argument invalid

Im jealous of him.

>>377704162
This is a game where the theme is being a criminal, so I don't think anyone really gives a fuck. One of them wanted it, the other not so much. That's about a simple of an answer as you can get.

>>377703729
That's it, I'm done. Everyone here is completely retarded.

>>377704162
Good thing there relationship is strictly non sexual

how do I level up quickly in NG+? I just beat Madarame and I don't think I can go through the whole fucking game again just to fill up the compendium without wasting money and beat up the twins

but I still have to because I need to read all fucking books fuck, why is the NG+ so fucking terrible at least with P4 there were fun dialogue options

Ask yourself. Would Kamoshida do your laundry in a cute outfit?

Checkmate atheists

>>377704237
/pol/'s here pretty early, huh

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>>377704328
>Good thing there relationship is strictly non sexual
Pic related is you.

>>377703729
I agree

Sadayo is a fucking rapist
WE NEED TO LOCK HER UP

>>377704341
When flu season starts go to mementos and fight the reaper. If he doesn't have despair, run away and fight him again until he does.

>>377704057
The sexism of this triggers me.

>>377704341
Farm the reaper during the flu season.
Should be a piece of cake if you got Rank 10 Hifumi gift from your first run.

>>377703897
Doesn't fucking matter retard, if the teacher doesn't reject the student it's on them

>cuckmoshida IDF
Where do you people are coming from?

>>377704595
>>cuckmoshida
He had a harem.

>>377704387
Ignoring how they specifically state no extra services until later. They only bang after he's not her student near the end of the game.

>>377704606
And he squandered it all because he wanted some blonde gash. Will asians ever learn?

It's okay when women are pedophiles.

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>there's a speed reading book
>it unlocks after reading a bunch of three chaptered books

why the flying fuck go fuck yourselves atlus

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>>377703729
I want him to RAPE Kawakami in her classroom late into the evening when they're the only ones left in the building, working late.

>>377704741
You sounds triggered

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>haha it's fine for a minor to sleep with a student because he egged her on tehee
Oh piss off, if a 16 year old girl had wanted to sleep with a male teacher all you beta cucks in this thread would be losing your shit and crying rape.

>>377704880
n-no, a 16 year old girl can't want it

>same haircut
>they both have a harem
>they both lie and cheat
>they are both sluts

Coincidence or not?

>>377704880
No if they made it clear that one bitch in the game wanted it I wouldn't blame the teacher, she would just be a slut. Very different.

>>377704606
Yah, in his fucking dreams.
In reality: a bunch of walking punchbags and a girl he harassed (we don't even how far he went).
A fucking loser.

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>>377704237

Yeah she loved it so much that she jumped off the school roof because she knew she'd never get another ducking that good...

>>377705123
Women don't know what they want. Kamoshida didn't do anything wrong.

>>377703729
literally all we hear is that he sexually harrassed the girls at the school.
He didn't rape her.

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>>377704830
This. Kamoshida should have given Sadayo the dick by force

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>>377703934
>>377704057
>>377704127
>>377703897
>>377703914
>>377703946
>consent meaning jackshit when it's against the law for teachers to get with students regardless of age

>>377704830
>him RAPE
Anon, Sadayo is the predator.

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>/v/ defends Adachi but not Kamoshida

Come on. No half measures.

You stupid /v/irgins always make threads about the most common shit that happens in the world

You should stop playing videogames and face reality already you fags

>>377705313
Everyone can self insert as adachi but not as a chad

>>377703948
lmao2rape

>>377705313
Adachi is a weirdo just like /v/.

Kamoshida is basically the kind of guy that bullied /v/ at school.

>>377704057
REE it doesnt count he was drunk! REE

>>377704880
Okay friend let me explain something since you seem to be new here, hebephilia is NOT the same thing as pedophilia. I'm sick and tired of you trolls popping up everywhere and spreading BLATANT misinformation. In many countries hebephilia is considered normal and healthy and human beings have a natural attraction to girls who are going through puberty. being attracted to girls who are pre-pubescent is fucking sick and disgusting but only in the us does there seem to be this unwarranted taboo around healthy and normal male sexuality.

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>>377705297
I want Sadayo to rape me by threatening to alter my grades to F's if I don't do what she says on a regular basis

>>377705362
>why are you guys talking about video games with themes and social issues in our world

>>377703729
>24 year old teacher (male)
He looks like he's in his mid 30s, though.

>>377705504
Healthy normal male sexuality is extremely sexist.

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>>377703729
Get with the program.

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>Kamoshido
>makes the School full of Elite Sports members

>Kamakami
>does nothing useful in school and takes money out of kids

Kamoshida was necessary while the slut brings nothing to the table, adachi was right, bitches are nothing but useless sluts.

>>377705185
He announces suicide is his only hope of redemption in a school assembly, so I doubt he wasn't at least fucking one of them. He wouldn't have a meltdown of that magnitude if he was just kicking the shit out of the volleyball team.

Examining his office from the outside also triggers a text box saying that his office looks more like a bedroom. He also says he had Shiho "fill in" for Ann after she refused to sleep with him.

>/v/ hates Mishima for being a /v/irgin
>goes defensive about kamoshida
Even in vidya, omega orbiters are trying to suck up to chads. Hue.

>>377705690
>someone wasted time to make this

>>377703729
Consent. I know you didn't consent everytime your uncle touched you so you don't understand.

>>377703897
I mean

she could've just walked away but she WANTED that volleyball spot bad enough to give him the succ.

She just regretted it later on and thats some bullshit

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>openly and literally tries to fuck her male students
>nobody gives a shit and it's treated all as a joke
>Kamoshida tries to get with student
>treated worse than Hitler
Never change /v/

>>377705747
>He also says he had Shiho "fill in" for Ann after she refused to sleep with him.
id like the proof of this

>>377705504
>complains about blatant misinformation
>posts blatant misinformation

By your logic all people are attracted to teen boys too.

>>377706108
>he thinks men and women are the same
Stop being a fucking tool, please.

>>377706108
Why didn't any of the students fuck her? In real life surely there would have been at least a couple of horny teenagers who would have taken her extremely obvious advances

>>377706294
Becuase in Japan any woman over 25 is considered trash

>>377705747
>He announces suicide is his only hope of redemption in a school assembly

That's just nips being nips.

>his office looks more like a bedroom

But we've seen his office though and looks nothing like that, thinking he'd fuck a girl in school is the most retarded shit

>>377706294
my guess is either shes a giant tease and doesn't actually solicit sex from her students OR all the students have kept quiet about her.

Or hell this is japan right? Maybe they just dont have a sex drive and would rather study/watch anime/manga/videogames than get laid

>>377706294
Back in the early 2000s hating cakes was still a meme

>>377705504
That's not normal, you idiot.

>>377706081
>WANTED that volleyball spot

Exactly, she wanted the volleyball spot, not sex. Male teacher abused her.

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>he's 24
>I'm turning 24 in 9 days

Help time is passing too quickly

>>377706562
Any kid would have realised getting raped wouldn't be worth a spot, she's pretty dumb as shit even Ann was smart enough to avoid his ass as well as Ryuji.

This why i don't know why people like Shiho, she's a dumb bitch.

>>377703729
Neither situation is appropriate. Kamoshida's is much more coercive,

Kawakami is wrong too, though, if she gets romantic with a student.

>>377706562
>want to go on a vacation with someone
>nah bro only if you suck my dick
>suck is his dick
>complain afterwards

??????

Christ fuck off Predatory or not all the power was in HER fucking hands.

>>377703729
Do you know the meaning of consent?

>>377707104
Shiho was never raped you cocksucker. She slept with him to keep her spot on the volleyball team.

>>377706964
Gay. Thinking about sucking a man's dick. You're super gay.

17 isn't even illegal here. burgs strike again.

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>>377706964
>the power was in HER fucking hands
If you will allow me to play doubles advocate for a second here, kids do stupid shit all the time. If a baby found a gun and accidentally blew its own head off you cannot say the baby was at fault, despite .45 calibers of stopping power being in his fucking tiny hands. The line between fucking dumbass literal baby and rational adult decisions is pretty blurry as a teen.

>>377707427
>doubles advocate
>27

Nice try

>>377703889
No way he's 24. He's a teacher at a prestigious high school, AND a volley ball olympic champion. He'd need YEARS of training, education and experience to achieve just one of those things.

I wonder if the people making these threads/posts have legitimate comprehension issues or just don't give a shit.

>>377703903
what is curly hair

>>377706876
>>377706964
What kind of a ass-backwards 3rd world shit-hole you're from? Where it's okay for teacher to fuck his students in return for something related to school? Like, you watch too much tv and think that everything is done thru bed?
>spot in the team for fugs
Naw, consent or not, he did everything wrong.

>>377707782
>Where it's okay for teacher to fuck his students in return for something related to school?

Except there's no clear evidence proving he did this. If he took this to court he would get away with rape charges.

>>377707427
>kids do stupid shit all the time. If a baby found a gun and accidentally blew its own head off you cannot say the baby was at fault, despite .45 calibers of stopping power being in his fucking tiny hands. The line between fucking dumbass literal baby and rational adult decisions is pretty blurry as a teen.

Except her best friend was smart enough not to do something this retarded.

Even the dumbest kid in the school didn't take Kamoshida's bullshit.

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>>377704054
Thats some spooky image you got there

>>377703729
your looking at it arbitraraly the deal is this when i was in high school if i woulda fucked the only hot teacher wirth it i woulda ketp my mouth shut till i was 18 a bitch on the other hand will tell everyone beacuase shes not there for sex shes there for status

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>>377705507
My teacher had this exact relationship with me, seriously.
Spoiler: blog
Under threat of failure she forced me to hand my assignments in on time completed properly

>>377708319
Fuck you

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>Kamoshida: Have sex with me
>Ann: Fuck off
>Kamoshida: Alrighty then

>Kamoshida: Have sex with me
>Shiho: Okay
>Kamoshida: LOL

I think I may have figured out the problem

>male teacher physically abuses all of his male students and sexually abuses all of his female students
>female teacher has a platonic relationship (optionally, mind you) with a single one of her male students
>people genuinely think there's some kind of double standard about this and that they aren't wildly different cases

>>377704595
I'm with you, no idea where the hell is Kamoshida getting internet access from.

>>377708528
The problem straight up went over your head man.

Women are basically children.

>>377708630
She lacks a backbone.

Shiho is a pushover bitch.

She had to get raped to learn the hard way

>>377703948
>>377704162

Except this isn't an argument about if it's legally okay, it's an argument about if it's morally okay.

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>>377707567
welcome to japan

>>377704054
>under 14 male and under 13 female
>cannot be punished
>under 14 male and under 14 female
>Depends on legal interpretation
What?

>>377708757
Backbone doesn't even figure into it, the problem straight up went over your head man. She didn't have a say in the matter and no one really gave a shit that she was being raped, simple as.

>>377707567
most olympians are early 20s

>>377704162
hey akechi

nice justice

>>377704824

>didn't get the speed reading book until there was literally only one other book left

why they do this

>>377708630
So you're telling me if Shiho had just said no she would still had gotten fucked by Kamoshida and then try to kill herself.

>>377704057
this is why i dont go outside

>>377703729
Womenare dumb and innocent, therefore they need the protection of a handsome and righteous man

...or something like that

>>377709046
Kamoshida wanted Ann to willingly give herself up to him
Ann said no
Kamoshida took out his frustration on Shiho
Shiho then attempts to kill herself

That's all we know.

>>377705690

imagine being this fucking butthurt

>>377708984
>She didn't have a say in the matter

She did. All she had to do was realise volleyball wasn't worth getting fucked just as Ann realised getting fucked wasn't worth saving her friend a spot in volleyball.

Kamoshido doesn't go round grabbing girls to rape them otherwise he would have fucked Ann already. He baits them in to it which can easily be avoided if you got your priorities straight.

>>377709037
You did it to yourself.

>>377703729
>holy shit double standards exist
welcome to the world of adults. If you werent so sheltered you would know that this is a thing accepted by society

>>377709139
Fuck off, she didn't have to go see him.

>when a bunch of sluts are throwing themselves at you
>fuck a girl who doesn't resist since she wants to be on your team that badly
>bunch of butthurt punks made they couldn't get their dicc wet too.

>>377703914
Everyone's aware that it's bait but argues over it anyway, out of boredom I guess. The only people who genuinely think that there's anything to argue here at all are the people who haven't played the game and aren't aware of Kamoshida's confession.

>>377709362
Did you miss all the shit about how Kamoshida effectively ruled the school? Everyone and their parents were too scared to go against him.

I'm not saying that Shiho was blameless for being part of that dumb mentality, I'm saying that >>377708528 is straight up incorrect and the most blatant in-your-face problem in the game somehow flew over his head completely

>>377708529
Then explain why Noriko from P4 does the same shit with sexually harrassing her students yet isn't nobody bats an eye at her.

The difference here is that one was consensual, and one was not.

But I don't expect you twisted fucks to understand that.

>>377709579
>Everyone and their parents were too scared to go against him.

But Ann and Ryuji were just fine avoiding his bullshit, wow.

>>377709686
if it wasn't consensual she wouldn't have come to his office. She wanted something from him and let him fuck her, then regretted it and tried to kill herself

>>377709730
Ryuji lashing out against him got the track team removed and turned him into a complete outcast + he was going to get expelled if Kamoshida wasn't dealt with
Ann was "safe" because Kamoshida was going after her specifically and resorted to pressuring people around her to get her

The difference here is that one was rape, the other wasn't.

Kamoshida didn't try to "get" with a student, he raped and beat them, broke their legs and forced them to kill themselves.

Kawakami just regular dates a high-schooler who she knows is an international criminal who risks life and limb saving the world on a monthly basis. Legally, the relationship is the least of her concerns about him. Morally, it is clear he is far more mature then the average teenager, physically, emotionally and mentally.

If a man is old enough to put his life on the line day after day for humanity's sake, he's old enough to date any adult he feels like.

>>377709896
>if it wasn't consensual she wouldn't have come to his office.
Blackmail isn't consensual. Kamoshida admits that he forced Suzui into her position and was the cause of her attempting to kill herself at the end too, you have to disregard the entire point of the game and disregard general principles of responsibility and common sense in order to argue that this teacher was justified in sexually harassing his students.

>>377709896
She wanted him to stop blackmailing her.

>>377709594

The reason most people have is because you """can't rape a male""" and they'll have a good time since a male's sex drive is much higher, which means they won't be scarred by the experience, unlike what can happen with females.

I don't agree with it, but that is what they think.

>>377709906
>he was going to get expelled if Kamoshida wasn't dealt with

Only because of MC's involvement.

Ann was safe because unlike the others she didn't 2 fucks about Volleyball so he didn't have a direct way to manipulate her like Shiho and the other braindead fucks.

Had Shiho just said fuck Volleyball and avoided him he wouldn't be able to just grab her and he'd have moved on to whoever else.

>>377709730
Broken leg and his club being removed altogether aside, yeah Ryuji was fine.

>>377709896
Do you weebs ever get disturbed that your interest attracts people that are full blown sexual rapist in the making?

>>377710406
He only hurt himself that badly because he tried fighting him don't get it twisted.

Yeah club being broken apart is better than being some slave who gets beaten every day.

>>377703729

Consent.

>>377709368
Why did it take 3/4ths of the way into this thread for anyone to mention that Kamoshida confessed his guilt?

>>377705237
Show me a law that states that.

AFAIK you'll get fired for it but it's not illegal, it's not illegal to take your spouse's class, right?

>>377710724
>He only hurt himself that badly because he tried fighting him
Are we conveniently forgetting Kamoshida purposefully goading Ryuji because Kamoshida knew Ryuji was prone to anger specifically so Ryuji would attack him to give Kamoshida an excuse to fuck him and the track team up.

>>377710724
I'm not talking about the same thing you're talking about, the guy I replied to said that Ryuji was fine avoiding his bullshit, I was just saying that this was false.

>>377705690
I mean I can look past all the politics bullshit but are they saying The Matrix is not a fantastic film?

>>377703897
>>377703934
>>377703946
This. Any other argument is retarded. He's 17, he can make his own sexual decisions. Just like if Ann had actually wanted Kamoshida.

>>377710883
No one cares, it's just a few people trying to turn this into a meme. Pretty much every other Palace in the game fits this general argument better but rape triggers people + Kamoshida's palace honestly is the most memorable one in the game so the guys here who probably just speedwatched a playthrough on youtube latch onto this.

>>377706726
Fuck some 16 year olds

>>377703729
13 is the age of consent in Japan. I think it's 16 in Tokyo, but that second one is still legal. The first one is illegal because she was unwilling. Also, Joker is 16.

Teachers should not be fucking students, regardless of age. That's a professional line that shouldnt be crosses.
Generally it's in contract when you apply to a school district.

>>377710940
>Are we conveniently forgetting Kamoshida purposefully goading Ryuji because Kamoshida knew

So what? He still tried to fight his ass, your talking in a way he just went up to him and snapped his legs randomly, he didn't initiate contact.
>>377711026
He basically was though after their conflict, Kamoshida never bothered his ass again once he had no pull on him

>>377711259
He's 16 you dumb shit

>>377704387
>you will never walk Kawakami home gently
It's not fair bros

>>377705690
>people believe people become right leaning is because somebody taking a share of the pie
This right here is why the modern left have no actual empathy for other views.

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why does this bait always work

>>377703729
24 yo teacher beats and rapes 17 yo student; gives less than a shit when student tries to commit suicide.
Vs.
24 yo teacher ends up in romantic relationship with 17 yo after 17 yo actively pursues said relationship.

While both violate boundaries between the teacher and student, the former is violent, abusive, and so traumatising to the 17 yo that suicide was attempted. The latter involves both parties entering a romance together, and supporting each other emotionally.
The only common trend between the two is the teacher/student and age gap deal. Which yeah some people will take issue with. But you'd have to be fucked in the head to think that a violent rapist needs to be cut some slack

>>377712819
this
how can your spergs honestly not see the huge fucking difference between these two situations?

Wait hold up a second.

You can make the protagonist fuck his teacher in this game?

Nice.

>>377705504
Nice to see you here, monkey.

>>377707567

It's anime land. Same reason Sae is only 24 yet she's already a high ranking prosocutor.

>>377707567

oh anon, 24 is when the body usually peeks, olympians are 20-30 and usually they are replaced around 28

>>377711502
Kamoshida goads him about it pretty much whenever he even sees Ryuji, more often than not he's the one who goes up to Ryuji to do this even. The initial incident made Ryuji & the track team a non-threat to his ambitions so yeah no shit he didn't go and try to rape him or whatever the hell you're trying to imply he should've done instead to display his attitude towards him.

>>377713410
I could've sworn Sae was older, 24 isn't even cake age

>>377704162
Good thing the game is about breaking the law, then

>>377713410
>Sae is 24
What the fuck. I mean, she's smokin hot and all, but she looks like a woman in her early 30s.

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>>377708120
I didn't even think of the implications of someone having this on their computer.

>it's not the fault of the teacher abusing his position and power, or the parents and other staff who tolerate it and cover it up for the sake of end results
>it's the fault of the dumb and impressionable minors for letting themselves be abused by the people who owe a duty of responsibility towards them, everyone else did nothing wrong and the teacher should not have been punished!
Maybe the thread started out as bait, but there are enough serious responses here to really displays how many of the people in these threads consist of socially decrepit shut-ins with no understanding of either basic law or basic common sense.

>>377703873
That's way women are nothing but sex objects and should stay in the kitchen

>>377703729
They were only 24? Holy fuck I'm older than them. This is why Becky is a shit. She's not even true milf material.

>>377714327
>socially decrepit shut-ins
So Persona's target audience then?

>>377707427
so who do you hold accountable in this situation if not the kid then?

>>377703729

I don't remember the part where they actually fuck. Stop implying.

>>377711932
I've yet to see someone on the right who expressed a different view other than butthurt about being taken down a notch or acting like separating all groups is progress

>>377713749

It's the hair colour and suit.

>>377713518
>Kamoshida goads him about it pretty much whenever he even sees Ryuji,

You don't though, you don't see him randomly going to Ryuji to bug him and the only time they interact is because he's with the MC.

Why did Kamoshida care enough about the MC to spread rumors about him?

>>377710024
>le old enough to fight in war old enough to buy alcohol at 18 argument
So sorry that you amerifats have to wait until your twenties to legally drink piss

>>377703889
>tfw youre much older than the "old" people in your vidya

>>377703729
something something FUCK WOMEN something something /r9k/ something something I'm a virgin and a nice guy something something bump limit something something not video games

>>377709730

didn't kamoshida bust up ryuji's knees after he lashed out?

>>377703729
First is blackmail and he bullies and hurts students.
Second isn't.

>>377714448
Speak for yourself I'm older than Kawakami and she still triggers my fetish for older women.
Must be because I'm assuming the role of a teenage protagonist though

>>377716340
Basically
>Muh school's reputation
In a scene right after you and Sojiro leave the school, Kamoshida makes it quite clear that he thinks the school shouldn't be admitting students with records and risking it's reputation.

Kamoshida spreads rumours so that the rest of the student body will avoid the MC and treat him with so much animosity that he might drop out or get expelled picking fights

>>377704162
The game understands and even brings up that what they're doing is illegal, but problem is that the OP is implying that the Kawakami relationship is the exact same as what Kamoshida was doing.

>>377705313
>Adachi didn't have sex and is not successful
>Kamoshida had sex and was suscessful


Gee, I wonder why.

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When i deep it, Mishima is the biggest faggot in the school.

Could have leaked everything about the corrupt school online anonymously but took it like a bitch

>>377719218
>anonymously
Who would've believed it?
>Kamoshida: lol what the fuck I've never heard anything like that
>Police: Oh okay, carry on then.

>>377705690
>matrix is a bad movie

>>377711932
It's true though, don't be butthurt

At the beginning of the game I thought they were brother and sister.
In the end they were the same shit