Admit /v/, you miss Persona 4 already after that letdown

>>377608118
Nah but I missed P3 after the letdown with P4

Why would I ever miss badPersona 3?

Not really.

no, i'm not
P4 was the series lowest point

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But I was very satisfied with P5 and think it's one of the best MegaTen games.

>best waifus
>best combat system
>best grounded story
>best OST

I miss Persona 4 Golden. Persona 5 is fucking shit aimed for casuals and first timers, now all these P5fags will pretend that they played other Persona games, when in reality it was their first Persona game.

>>377608179
I miss P2 after letdown with P3.

>>377608118
No way. If I ever hear Teddie again it'll be too fucking soon.

>>377608415

The same could be said of people who played P4G, which the majority of people who have played P5 have probably played. The same could even be said of P3.

>>377608423
P3's battle system redeems its worse cast and story

>>377608376
>satisfiend with that cartoony garbage
>satisfiend with easiest bosses in the series
>satisfiend with no SoL events at all

(You)

>>377608541
Teddie > Morgana

>>377608709
What about it was more cartoony than 4 or 3?
Persona is a always easy, P5 manages to be fun in spite of that, which the others don't.
One or two SoL events could have been nice, but the Mementos dialogue texts and dates made up for it for me. Also, I'd rather no SoL events than events with the quality of some of the ones in 3 and 4.

>>377608118
No, I have better things to look forward to than missing the worst game in Persona series.

>>377608598
It really doesn't

>People unironically believe that Persona 5 wasn't the best in the series.

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yuki chan come back

>>377608709
>P4
>not cartoony
it's literally scooby doo: the anime : the game
>satisfied with easiest bosses in the series
persona stopped being hard at Eternal Punishment
>SoL events
HEY GUYS WE COOKED CURRY XD

>>377608598
>AI controlled characters
>If mc dies it's all ogre
>only mc can swap personas
It could be good if it Nocturne version of press turns, but they gutted it.

>>377608801
I don't care if piss is better than shit it's still shit and piss

>>377608927
Persona 4 wasn't easy on Very Hard tho. P5 is a cakewalk even on Merciless.

>>377609028
I prefer P2 to P3, but P2's battle system and encounter rates are just SO unbearable and outdated

>>377608423
I miss P1 after letdown with P2.

>>377609051
>i'am thou
>beautiful animation

while in persona 5
>PERSONAAAAH
>ugly cartoonish animation

people still defend Persona 5

>>377609246
Having to grind more to beat a boss isn't good in anyway, and this is what P4 does on hard and above.

>>377608118
Persona 5 is probably a better game overall but persona 4 is way more memorable because of the events and the character interactions.

Hopefuly the butload of inevitable spin-offs will add character to most of the main cast and make Ann, Yusuke and Haru relevant again.

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>>377608118
Nah

>>377609335
This, p2 is complete shit outside story and characters.
>no gunns
>limited weapon choice
>less personas for party
>no grid
Complete shit.

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>>377608118
Why do people like 4 again? The story made no sense
>hey people are dying lets be happy everyone!
the characters were all shit
>le gay bait and switch
>funny teddybear
And the villain was pure cringe. The whole game is liked on the premise of the mystery. Once thats solved it loses all favor.
3&5 shit all over it.
Both games have better characters, both games have better mechanics(in 3 you could send your teammates to level and explore/collect items on their own), and both games have better stories and villains.

Persona 4 is quite literally babbies first Persona. There is no other explanation for liking it.

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>>377608118
Not really, but by the time I was done with Okumura I even started to miss Teddie. Mona's utterly unbearable.

>>377609415
No, P4 just actually required strategy and proper usage of items to beat bosses.
>>377609474
Its more memorable because its better game, from all points of view, not only characters and their interactions.

>>377608709
Just say you're upset over the lack of slice of life events, anon, there's no need to sugar coat it. Everyone here can see through you considering P4 is what you're defending.

>>377609283
>battle system
It's just the same shitt as PS, "use the damage types monsters are vulnerable to", every jrpg in history has it.
>encounter rates
You'll go through roughly the same amount of filler combat before boss as in later personas, but you have an option to negotiate for stuff. Also ability to save whenever you like in P2 makes it superior to any other persona game.

>>377609950
im more upset about lacking in difficulty and battle system.

>>377609914
You still have to grind to beat shadow Kanji on hard, maybe it's better in Gold.

>>377609989
>as P3

>>377609589
Cognitive joker died for this

>>377610095
Its still not really boring to find bunch of running hands. In P5 you just have to run around mementos and fight the same enemies doing absolutely the same shit if you need to level up.

>>377608118

>Japanese Psychonauts>Copypasta of the fourth part of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure but not as good as well as Digimon 02 and the final battle of Gurren Lagann

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>>377609589

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>P4 goes through its 50th iteration
>"P5 had better be darker and with less SoL shit or else I'm mailing a bomb to Atlus!"
>P5 does just this
>"Why doesn't P5 have more funny SoL scenes? Biggest blunder of human history?"

Like anything you fags have to say is worth even a single shit

>>377610546
Rare monsters are the best thing that came out of jrpg.

>>377608118
I've been thinking about revisiting it especially since I've only played vanilla, but that's more due to me starting to be burned out on P5 but still having a lingering Persona itch. I'm not sure if I can stomach P4's shit cast anymore, though.

>>377610074
Play SMT you retarded faggot

>>377610757
>darker
>persona 5

Adachi and his manipulations is more darker than everything in persona 5. They don't even let this fucking cat die in the end.

>>377608118
I can't understand how people can like 4 over 5.
>Akechi is a much better Adachi
>The metaverse was way more varied than the midnight channel
>The social links are way more fun and involved and give you real benefits in battle
I can see someone enjoying the soundtrack or setting more in P4. And P5 has some weak things too like Haru being pretty irrelevant right after she opens a door in her dungeon and Futaba being a deus ex machina. But P5 is a bigger, louder, and just way more improved P4. I couldn't possibly imagine recommending P4 to someone over P5.

>>377609914
>P4 just actually required strategy and proper usage of items to beat bosses
lol

>>377609903
>I prefer a cock sucking trap

fuckin homo spotted

>>377611127
>Akechi is a much better Adachi
I just stop read right there. You don't even trying fujo-fag.

>>377611023
i don't play boring outdated shit for autists, sorry.
being overcomplicated =\= difficulty.

>>377611271
Akechi had real motivation other than he was bored.

>>377609335
I miss SMT: if... after the letdown with Persona.

>>377611342
I'm bored > muh father

>>377611115
>complaining about Morgana coming back to life
>when Nanako did
pants on head retarded

>>377611115
You're trying too hard anon.

>>377611469
Killing child was too cruel. Killing fucking annoying cat is not.

>>377611342
You literally miss the point of Adachi.

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>>377611338
>this entire post
I like persona as well, but what?
There is absolutely nothing complicated about SMT.

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>>377609914
Yeah, totally. I also love there only being a whopping 5 different types of offensive skills.

>>377611616
killing an annoying child, not a regular one
>MUH JUNES XD

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>>377611127
>Akechi is a much better Adachi
You're right about Persona 4 in general, but this is just flat out wrong. Adachi is the only good thing about Persona 4.

>>377611701
Fuck off. Nanako is cute.

>>377611616
>Killing child was too cruel
No one really kill her though. She "died" on her own and come back to life on her own with deus ex machina

>>377611771
just because she makes your dick tick doesn't make her a good character
>UHH DAD NOOOO FIGHTING STOP ARGUING NUHHHHH

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>>377611771
yeah. she is cute

when riding a dick

>>377611661
5 is still more than charge + *insert random physical ability* to kill everything in the game.

>>377611864
Im wasn't even thinking in that way you pervert. She is just cute naive child.

All I know is P5 caused a serious ruckus in the hentai world

>>377612025
because all the girls suck?

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>>377611870

>>377611115
lmao no. One of the bad ends in Persona 5 has Makoto getting abducted, drugged up and raped.

Adachi is great and all, but he only shows up at the very end and the Investigation Team make asses of themselves when they confront him. The rest of the game is so tonally inconsistent it's jarring. They're supposed to be hunting down a serial killer, yet they treat it like its a fucking game throughout most of the story. Meanwhile, in Persona 5 the stakes are constantly being raised. You start the game with the threat of being expelled from school and it ends with the threat of you being assassinated.

>>377608709
>No SoL events
Thank fucking god, too. At least the writers realized they had no business repeating "lol can't cook, lol hot springs, lol trip unrelated to anything for no reason"
Before you point out the fact that P5 had both the beach outing and the Hawaii trip, allow me to mention that both trips still had the cast focusing on the problems at hand. The beach trip is where Futaba realizes she wants to join the Phantom Thieves to exact revenge on her mom's killer, and the Hawaii trip has them all realizing that maybe something shady is up with Okumura foods.

Everything they did in P5 had significance.

Persona 5 was better than Persona 4 in every single way.

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>>377611870
>>377612249

>>377611616
He kept killing people just because he could get away with it. That thrill was the only thing he had in his shitty life where nothing would go his way. He's an example of what could happen if a selfish person was given the same power Narukami had. I just think Akechi had better more thought out reasons for what he was doing. Admittedly Akechi had no endgame strategy and even if he really killed the phantom thieves his popularity would grow to such a new height that he would be caught eventually. But I feel like they did better making Akechi feel like a villain created by his tough past than a whiny lonely baby like Adachi. I mean when you really look at it, Adachi didn't have it bad. He had a fine job that probably gave decent pay. Dojima gave him some shit but he invited him over to eat with his family and really tried to build a friendship. Adachi becoming a villain was harder to believe because he seemingly had it fine.

>>377608709
>no SoL events
>persona

yeah right

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>>377612457
but she likes it anon

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>>377612295
>One of the bad ends in Persona 5 has Makoto getting abducted, drugged up and raped.
Thing that never showed on screen. Not even a hint of it. While in P4 you have picrelated.

P5 MC>Yu
Morgana>Teddie
Ann>Chie
Makoto>Naoto
Sojiro>Dojima
Akechi>Adachi
Actual demons>Rejected Heartless

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>>377608118
I don't know where you've been, but 90% of /v/ loves P5

>>377611115
Not true at all, 4 is easily the most lighthearted in the series by a huge margin

>>377612295
>One of the bad ends in Persona 5 has Makoto getting abducted, drugged up and raped.
The only good thing about her.

>>377612375
Kys
>>377612559
everything is wrong, kys.

>>377611873
You act like charge and physical being overpowered is unique to Persona 5. And charge is much more difficult to get in P5 than in previous games.

It's hilarious that you think dumbing the combat down to nothing but physical/fire/ice/elec/wind is in any way acceptable.

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>>377612539
Stop it anon, Nananko is pure.

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>>377612585
>90% of /v/ loves P5
> /v/ loves P5
>/v/ loves

>>377612585
Go to bed.

I played Golden after 5.

It made me realize how much better 5 truly is.

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>tfw you can enjoy all of them
Idort master race wins again

>>377611342
Adachi was a self obsessed narcissist, not just bored.

I miss P3 more. P4 was kind of ruined for me with all the tie-in shit they made over the years and whoring it out.

>>377612321
also, P5 had Yoshida, the best social link in three games by leaps and bounds

>improves your charm
>teaches you how to negotiate even better
>entire arc is about sticking to your beliefs, but not being irrational about what you know
>foreshadows and provides glimpses as to what's happening behind the scenes of the main plot with regards to what's happening in the government

Fucking amazing from start to finish.

>>377612641
>And charge is much more difficult to get in P5 than in previous games.
Its because its not broken as fuck in P4.
>>377612595
>4 is easily the most lighthearted in the series by a huge margin
P5 is most lighthearted, with cartoonish villains.

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>>377612719
>Idort master race wins again

FUCKING CANCER REEEEEEE

Persona 4 had years of fine tuning and refinement that produced P4 Golden. Just wait a couple years for Persona 5 to have it's "definitive" edition.

>>377612559
The fact that these parallels can even be made so easily makes persona seem so formulaic and lazy.

>>377612540
Which is immediately followed by the usual persona 4 wacky wijinks like 5 minutes later

The game has serious tone issues and can't decide if it wants to be scooby doo or some dark murder mystery

It's whole theme about truth is also stupid because nothing to do with that actually happens as the protagonists just bumble around saving people who get abducted month by month and then it magically resolves itself

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>>377612810
is best girl gonna be in it?

>>377612637
'kys' is not an argument
i honestly can't think of a single thing P4 does better than P5

battle mechanics are better
negotiations are better AND more ballanced than card shuffles
storyline just makes more sense in general
there's no Yosuke or Teddie

>>377609084
The games score in my mind would actually jump from a 7.5 to an 8.5 if they just had 1 more multi day trip after you get haru.

>>377612780
I'm not a fan of how P5 handled it outcast theme and its villians, but to say that P4/P4G was darker and less lightharded is an absolutely retarded statement when there's a scene of the main cast getting together and forming a high school band with an Idol.

>>377612540
Wow one death in whole game. When in p5 people die all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKmVS7aA2w

>>377612321
The focus on the plot is P5 biggest problem for me. Everything is Phantom Thieves this Phantom Thieves that. Like chill for a moment and act like high school students. Hang out without mentioning your super cool secret lives for just 5 minuets please.

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>you'll never get a Megami Ibunroku game as good as IF... or Persona 1 again
It hurts, but we have to move on, /v/. Project Re: Fantasy is our last hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhQILQgkClo

How P5 can even compete? Yaldabaoth is fucking joke, not only from gameplay standpoint he is literally the easiest boss in the franchise but also his design is absolute garbage.

>>377612540
>pic related
A screenshot from the anime?
>Thing that never showed on screen. Not even a hint of it
You get explicitly told by the police.

But if you want something that shows up on screen, how about Joker getting point blank shot in the head?

>>377612295
>One of the bad ends in Persona 5 has Makoto getting abducted, drugged up and raped.
P5fag here. Some doujin you like isn't canon.

>>377612983
I think people are kind of sick of that stuff now, I certainly am. The doing exams and being in school clubs and shit was a cool novelty in 3, but it felt tacked on and business as usual by 5. I understand why people are saying they would like future personas to have older protagonists in college or later, that school side of things is too predictable and formulaic now.

>>377613020
>how about Joker getting point blank shot in the head?
It wasn't Joker.

>>377613065
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJqOHPMhsYc

I will give you they keep it a bit vague here but the villain earlier told her she should be prostituting herself to pay the debt

>>377612902
How P5 sluts can even compete, seriously?

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>>377613065
also who would rape this

>>377612780
>P5 is most lighthearted
Right, the game that has depictions of suicide, rape and political assassinations is the most lighthearted.

It's also the only Persona game that shows blood.

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>>377612637

>Bland self-insert over actually relatable MC
>Useless retarded mascot over mascot that actually does shit and is important to the overall story
>"Lol steak" over actual strong female character
>"I'm actually a girl" is my character arc over someone who actually has development and more characterization as well as being connected to a major character
>Regular person you live with who does nothing over actual bro father-figure who helps the MC even after learning his secret
>Yoshikage Kira-lite over evil male Naoto
>Shitty rejected heartless over actual demons

>>377608118
P4 didn't have the balls to kill Nanako
P5 didn't have the balls to kill Joker
Only P3 didn't hold back.

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>>377613014
>his design is absolute garbage.
Looks great though so fuck you

>>377613117
So? Just because it was a fake Joker doesn't change that the game depicted someone getting a bullet put through their skull.

>>377612913
>battle mechanics are better
Not an argument. P4 battle mechanics are onjectively better, its not even debatable. They killed all strategy in P5 by introducing button pass and removing weaknesses from bosses.

>>377613065
It's not canon because it's the bad end, but it does happen.

>>377613065
Who else do you think the high school girl was and what the fuck do you think "illegal services" are?

>>377612695
Most of the social links are uninteresting in 4. I think 5 did a much better job in that regard. Not to mention that there's little benefit for leveling arcana of not main party members in 4.

Too many gimmick enemies in 4 that absorb/nullify everything but one element. Which forces you to fight them in one specific way. It makes battles feel a lot more rock, paper, scissors than 5.

I think 4's cast is better than 5. They're more fun to be around and listen to. Also, thanks to golden, there's significantly more social events with them.

4's dungeons are quite lame compared to 5. Obvious point is obvious.

I think 5 had a better story overall but 4's is stronger at the end. 4 is pretty meh whatever until Heaven. Whereas 5 starts strong and starts to peter off after palace 4, gets good at 6 and becomes a mess after 7.

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>>377613285
Every Persona game after 2 has had bland self insert protagonists and boring archetypal characters. The only reason you prefer one set of the same thing over the other is personal preference, they are exactly the same either way

>it's another "guys Persona 5 was bad am I right?" thread

Somehow manages to be worse than the usual "p5 goty" threads. Guaranteed replies either way.

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>>377613305
Maybe because its theme is Death?

>>377608118
I never played P4 or P3 but P5 was fantastic

>>377613321
Nyx avatar design is great. Yaldabaoth is just a poor copy.
>>377613340
cognition is non-existant "someone"

>>377608118

You can tell a game is good when /v/ fails to bring out any genuine criticism or when it's only surface level deep.

>>377608118
Admit OP, you miss Persona 5 already after that letdown with Persona 4.

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>>377613186
i mean who can they compare ot this

>>377613403
>they killed all strategy by introducing a new element of strategy
lmao

>>377611443
WHERE IS IT GIDEON ANSWER ME

>>377613083
100% agree with you. They keep expanding on the social links, dungeons, and battle elements really well. But the school stuff itself is really boring. Maybe that's the point but I just found myself pressing the skip button in P5 and just using the network feature when a question popped up.

>>377613509
To be honest this is also true for a lot of SMT games, the main character is usually a silent self insert and let's not even pretend that the law/chaos heroes and heroine aren't immediately identifiable, usually share the same personalities and even worse do the exact same thing every fucking game

OH MY THE LAW/CHAOS HERO HAVE BETRAYED ME???

There are some games that mixed it up but the vast majority don't

>>377613551
The problem with criticizing Persona 5 is that you could copy paste a list of complaints of Persona 3 or 4 and they'd all apply. The reality is that aside from fanboys and newfags everyone is sick of the series.

>>377613509

Yeah but P5 is the best of the post-2.

>>377613305
>P5 didn't have the balls to kill Joker
there was no reason for him to die
MC actually had a reason

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Why? Why can't /v/ recognize that Marie is the best P4?

>>377613582
>button pass
>raises your attack to he point where you can kill everyone on the screen with random ability
>"""""""new element of strategy""""""""""

>>377613305
I wish they actually killed IS Tatsuya in EP

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>>377613694
Right after Margaret

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>>377613694
Sorry, anon-kun. But you are incorrect.

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>>377613850
>people like Margaret

>>377608118
Not really. I was amazed by 4 when I first played it around 5 years ago, I thought 5 would be more of the same with little effort put into the dungeons just like the last 2 but it would at least be just as enjoyable. When they started revealing proper gameplay I was completely blown away and when I finally got to play it it exceeded my expectations ever further. I don't think I could ever go back to 3 or 4 now.

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>>377613882
Honestly, she's really the only acceptable choice.

>>377612559

Also

>The twins/the loli>Margret
The latter has actual characterization and even a character arc.

>>377613884
t. casual

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>>377613971
>she's really the only acceptable choice.

Does anyone have any advice for the penal labour sidequests

They keep asking me for personas that were maybe possible like 30 fucking levels ago and it would take so much trial and error to make them now by summoning random old shit from the compendium

>>377613545
>cognition is non-existant "someone"
How does that change the point? You're just moving the fucking goalposts.

The rape doesn't count because it's not explicitly shown. Akechi shooting people with a gun doesn't count because they were cognitive. What bullshit are you going to use to disqualify the multiple people that die on-screen in Persona 5?

>>377613971
Margaret is painfully boring after Elizabeth in 3.

Anyone beat Caroline and Justine on hard without spending 3 million yen on OP personas? I think its impossible. Those misses are scripted.

>>377613882
Margaret was the only woman in a game filled with girls. You'll understand the appeal when you're older.

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>>377613758
>button
dumb ESL poster

>>377613758
>dumb japs forgot to put diminishing returns on it
P5 fags would defend this.

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>>377614129
>lolsozany is a character
But really, both of them are inferior to Belladona

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>>377613560
Labrys is the best Persona girl and I will never not be mad that she's confined to the fighting games and will never EVER be a party member/social link. At least her purse owners are DLC I guess.

>>377613117
It can be if you chose the wrong path and got the bad end. In that scene you literally see the real Joker shot in the head at point blank.

>>377614169
This guy gets it.

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>>377614169
>You'll understand the appeal when you're older.

what appeal. old rotten clams

>>377614145
Joker constantly uses debilitate
Haru is the heat riser bitch
Ann is the nuker
Makoto is the healer

Pretty easy. If you keep using debilitate on them and you weren't a moron and kept the evade __ skills, then they won't hit all that often when they target your weakness.

>>377614169
>liking used goods
Not everyone is a cuck like you.

>>377614169
Why would you go after some old fart and not a young, healthy girl? Are you a teenager that only cares about sexual experience or something?

OP here. I actually like Persona 5, baiting you guys was fun and all. Thanks.

Persona 4 is still better tho

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>>377614463
this nigga knows

>>377608118
Persona 5 is the best MegaTen.

>>377614454
>""""""old""""""
>24 is old now for personafags

>>377614562
That's not Soul Hackers and Jack Bros

>>377614576
>used up whore
>not old

>>377614576
That's borderline christmas cake, gross dude.

>>377614648
She's a metaphysical being, she's probably more pure than any other girl in the game.

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>>377614576
Based P5 let us romance cakes. I ain't even mad.

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>he doesn't want to protect that smile

>>377614816
that fuck ugly smile

hell no

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>>377614758
>you'll never fuck your sensei senseless in your cafe home hybrid while your cat is pissed off that you're not sleeping

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What i really miss from P4 is the animation of MC when he squeezes arcana card in hand. It looked cool. P3 had evoker, which is looking cool too. And P5 had nothing.

>>377614816
How Persona 5 bitches can even compete with Margaret? Ann Takamaki my sides.

>>377615189
Putting on a mask.

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>>377614936
>implying
She even goes against Philemon to do pic related, which is probably the farthest any persona girl has gone to earn your affection aside from Jun.

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>>377615189
>And P5 had nothing.
What are masks.

>>377615189
P5 has a cool animation of the mask coming off when you open the skill menu to use a move but the camera is fucking behind you so you never see it. It was a silly choice.

>>377615454
Too bad all of the characters wear gaudy and awful clothing making you not want to look at them doing it.

>>377615454
They already enter battles in the masks. In P4 and P3 protagonist constantly uses evoker or squeezes card when he uses skills.

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>>377615385
Easily

>>377615608
All party memebers and Goro rip off their mask when using a skill.
Their mask is their Persona while not in use.

>>377613672
I hope SMTV, or whatever the new one is, does something to change that. Either have something like the Reasons again to bait and switch you into thinking it'll be Law/Chaos or just make the characters a bit more involved than hot-headed, power seeking guy and polite guy. It would also be cool if the alignments of the character in the game changed depending on your interactions with them, so the Law/Chaos hero aren't always the same character, but that might not work in practice.

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>>377615443
I want Margaret to steal my kiss and tell me that im the thief after that.

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>>377615646
Disgusting

>>377615608
Mask=Persona. When they summon personas, it disappear

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>>377615526
Yeah this, they cover their face with their hand usually and their mask comes off, usually their smiling or generally looking kinda creepy when they do it. MC is the only one to not look kinda creepy when his comes off IMO, also morgana.

>>377615646
Who is this gremlin?

>>377615746
faggot

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>>377608415
>best grounded story
hahahaha

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>>377615830
they're* smiling

>>377615646
>sekai ichi

is this a JoJo reference?

Adachi was better than Akechi. This is really the only major thing P4 has over P5. Most of P5's other issues are even more prevalent in P4.

>>377615189
Christ, you Persona 4 shitters are fucking mental.

Yet again, Persona 4 is the worst of the three in its Persona summoning gimmick and thematization, and you faggots perform mental triple backflips to defend it.

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P3 - best team
P4 - best friends
P5 - best A E S T H E T I C

>>377609724
>>hey people are dying lets be happy everyone!
two people died, the only person who had reason to be depressed was Yosuke and he focused his emotions into trying to catch the killer

>>377615972
t. assblasted P5 cuck.

>>377615972
>P5fag can't even defend his own position, resorts to P4 strawman he never proves
I didn't think Atlus would be able to make a game worse than Persona 3, but they've exceeded my expectations

>>377615991
Futaba was a mistake.

>>377615991
>P3 - best team
>P4 - best friends
Couldn't you think of an actual praise to give P4 here or something

>>377608118
I prefer 5 honestly. I've only played the vanilla version of 4 and not golden but I somehow doubt that it made things that different from the vanilla 4.

5 was a good fucking game. Maybe I don't smell my farts enough to hate it.

>>377609724
>p3
>nothing happens until the last 5 hours of the game
>p5
>nothing happens until the last 5 hours of the game
At least Persona 4 pretends to have a story that lasts more than a couple hours.

>>377615189
The card crushing was the worst way of summoning.
Evokers>Masks>>>>>>Cards

>>377613305
>P5 didn't have the balls to kill Joker
You mean Morgana? Or Ryuji? There's no reason Joker should be dead

>>377615972
I like P3 and 5 way more than 4 but in no way is the edgy shooting yourself in the head any less stupid than crushing a card

Nope.
I tried loading a NG+ save of Golden.
It was physically painful.
P4 is the worst of the 3 Even if it's fucking comfy

>>377616050
How am I assblasted? The mask animations are cool looking visually, and you can actually explain what they're supposed to signify thematically. The card crushing looks dumb visually and doesn't tie into the theme of Persona 4, or Persona in general, at all. They should have had them putting the glasses on as the Persona summoning animation, but I guess that was too difficult for them to model and animate on that shitty engine.

>>377608118
OP, A couple years from now;

>Admit /v/, you miss Persona 5 already after that letdown with Persona 6.

>>377616207
>p5
>nothing happens until the last 5 hours of the game
P5's story problems wasn't that nothing was happening, it was that certain characters get made redundant by other characters + it sort of shits the bed towards the end, it has plenty of plot and build-up throughout. You don't even have to like the game to admit that much.

>>377616223
except that masks is actually worst, because i didn't even notice that, how unmemorable it is.

>>377608709
You're an idiot

>>377616201
Of P3FES, P4G and P5, P4G is the only one that feels compelte in my opinion, and that only goes for P4G, not the vanilla game. I still think 5 is the best by far, and it's hard to say what exactly makes P4G feel that way, but when I beta it the whole game just felt like it had just enough content, P3FES, vanilla P4 and P5 both felt a little lacking for one reason or another. Hopefully I won't feel that way about the re-release of 5.

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>>377615443
Elizabeth fucks the mc and straight up leaves the velvet room for door-kun.
If margaret wen against Philemon then elizabeth spat on his face for her attendant.

>>377616419
couple of decades

>>377608118
I'll tell you what pissed me off the most in P5. Akechi dies off screen and nobody mentions him again. Atlus was so obviously trying to play it safe and protect their potential spin offs that it made the conclusion to Akechi's story so underwhelming that it actually kinda soured the next 20 or so hours of the game for me all the way into the ending.

>>377616487
You'd have to be retarded not to notice it because there are big cutscenes where there's an emphasis on it. Also, they do cool little animations when they summon them in 5, in 4 the only one with a cool animation was Naoto, the others were fine, but nothing special.

>>377616623
Elizabeth is chubby ugly gremlin, Margaret is hot mature beautiful girl.

>>377616317
Shooting themselves in the head is still the best, because it symbolizes them freeing themselves from their ego.

The literal mask represents the psychological mask they wear in front of other people, and taking it off symbolizes them revealing their true self to the world.

Crushing a tarot card symbolizes fucking nothing. The whole theme of Persona 4 is "searching for truth", hence the glasses. You'd think the Persona summoning would have something to do with that, but nope.

>>377616662
He was talking about persona 6 not smt. 6

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>>377616623
>sits around and knows MC will die but does nothing to stop it
Wow, thanks Elizabeth!

>>377608415
>Aimed at First-timers

Then why the fuck was the biggest reveal in the game related to Igor being an imposter, something which would have literally zero impact on a first time player?

>>377616487
Just because you have brain problems doesn't mean it the same for everyone else. Persona literally equal mask in psychology and games always talk about it like that

>>377616771
Persona Q was such a fucking mistake I almost can't believe how terrible that was

Is anyone surprised that the most SMT-like Persona game since Megami Ibunroku is reviled by Persona 4 babbies?

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>>377616843
Tadoshi and Kaneko were the last people working on Persona to actually give a shit about philosophy

>>377616727
>what is chie spinning kick
>what is yukiko little fan dance

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>>377616963
>most smt like
How?

>>377616971
Retarded.

>>377616843
>Persona literally equal mask in psychology and games always talk about it like that
Why is this fucking suddenly matter? I was talking about summoning animations, which is fucking unmemorable and hard to notice in P5.

>>377617047
My guess demons instead of shadows and demon negotiations.

>>377616971
They were fine but nothing special. Joker putting his two feet together when summoning and then slides them apart when attacking, Haru grabbing the tip of her hat then turning it over, Makoto riding her bike as well as the one when she gets Anat and she hold one hand high with the other on her face, all of that was cooler than crushing a card.

P5fags standarts are so fucking low i swear, they gonna pretend that these mask switches which i don't even notice is better than glorious card crush from P4.

>>377617047
>actual demons
>demon negotiations
>actual dungeons
>guns

>>377608118
What letdown?

>>377617274
Persona 5.

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>tfw too smart to pose like an autist when summoning your persona

>>377608415
What's wrong with them easing a new audience into the Persona series?

Given that you would need to own three different consoles and have to play around 500 hours worth of main games and spinoffs, not to mention the fact that the target demographic of Persona 1 are probably in their 40's now, it makes sense that they'd use Persona 5 as a jumping off point.

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>>377608118
>missing the worst Persona game
nah

>>377617240
>they gonna pretend that these mask switches which i don't even notice
That's not the game's fault, that's because you're a fucking inattentive idiot.

And yes, they're way better.

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>>377617338
Posing like an autist is cool though.

>>377617346
Ports when?
>P4G still on Vita
Wonder if there was a PS3 digital port for P3 like the PS2 Megatens. if not, still stuck on PS2 or PSP
>First two still stuck on PS1 or Emulators

>>377617271
>actual demons
No different from 3 or 4, they dumb down every demon into arcana and three personality types so it doesn't even matter
>negotiations
Equating the bland and shallow mechanic that was in Persona 5 to any other game in the series is a crime.
>actual dungeons
Same shitty slideshow as Persona 3 and 4, only difference is braindead puzzles scattered about that just serve to prolong boring gameplay even further
>guns
Add nothing to the gameplay

>>377617438
>inattentive idiot
Just because characters always shows their asses into cam doesn't mean im inattentive.
And im not idiot either, because i didn't think that P5 is better than P4.

>>377617338
>post a gay autist

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>>377608415
>P4 babby claiming P5 is aimed at casuals and first timers

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>>377617407
maximum shit taste
I need to clean my eyeballs from looking at this shit

>>377617407
literally
>normalfag taste

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>>377617407
I wonder what your first Persona was.

>>377617546
>No different from 3 or 4
3 and 4 didn't have demons, fuckwad.
>Same shitty slideshow as Persona 3 and 4
Wrong.
>Add nothing to the gameplay
Hilariously wrong.

>>377611115
>Adachi and his manipulations is more darker than everything in persona 5

Persona 5 starts with a girl kill trying to kill herself after suffering physical/sexual abuse from her coach. That alone is darker than anything Adachi did. Hell, Adachi didn't really do anything that dark. All he did was push two people into a tv and even though they did die, its not like murder is new to the series.

>>377617546
>add nothing to the gameplay
It adds a fucking damage type

>>377617768
The only reason you'd be assblasted about his taste is if yours was P4.

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>>377613873
A man of wealth and taste

>>377617850
I just think the P3 girls are bland, but I'm not assblasted. I would only be assblasted if he suggested Yukiko were good, which is the worst opinion a man can have.

>>377617602
You're literally the only person in this thread, and the only person I've ever seen in any thread who didn't realize they were taking the masks off. So yes, you're an inattentive idiot.

>>377618004
Fair enough.

>>377617776
The "demons" in Persona 5 might as well be the shadows from Persona 3 and 4, in fact the shadows are probably better because at least they relate to the dungeon they're inside. The demons in 5 are like the developers saw people like the demons but then went to no effort to actually implement any level of complexity into their apperance. Negotiation is boring, just knock a demon down, ask them to join you, then they do. Guns are just there, it's no different than it was in 3 or 4. New damage types don't add any complexity to the game.

>>377617829
Oh wow, one more attack I do randomly until I know all of a demons weaknesses and press R1X on every fight for the rest of a dungeon!

>>377608118
After the fuck load of spin offs the ruined what little character the p4 cast had by the end of their game. No. No I do not miss them.

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>>377616163
Izanagi is probably my favorite-looking Persona which is why I'm trying to carry him through my current New Game+ run.

sae is bae
that is all

>>377608118
i just replayed 4 and its not terrible dont know why v hates it so much but whatever.

honestly wouldnt mind seeing a remake in the new style.

>>377613758
>button pass

>>377608118
But 5 is the best persona game yet.

>>377618487
Is there any actual way to make Izanagi viable in a normal run of Persona 4? I fucking love him as well, and Yu's "IZANAGI!" is great too

>Best gameplay in the series
>best dungeons in the series
>most thematically consistent game
>arguably the best cast in the series
>best social links
>most stylish game
>no marie

How can p4 bois even compete?

>>377618559
It's not bad, but its easily the weakest out of the last 3 games

>>377618112
>in fact the shadows are probably better because at least they relate to the dungeon they're inside
Yeah, fighting tables is such awesome concept.

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>>377618487
Arsene or thanatos are the best looking ones in my opinion, but Izanagi is right behind them.

>>377618112
>The demons in 5 are like the developers saw people like the demons but then went to no effort to actually implement any level of complexity into their apperance.
The demons that appear in each palace are themed. Not to mention they're far more visually engaging and interesting than random goo blobs.
>Negotiation is boring, just knock a demon down, ask them to join you, then they do
That's what negotiation has always been. I won't deny that it's simplified from mainline, but it's not some useless element like you're implying. It's another option that the player has to consider tactically, whereas in 3 or 4 the only "option" is to exterminate all enemies as quickly as possible. Plus the writing for them in itself is entertaining.
>Guns are just there, it's no different than it was in 3 or 4
t. never did Shinya's social link

And even then, having a weapon that grants multiple attacks in a single round is a lot more than just a different damage type
>New damage types don't add any complexity to the game.
lmao

>>377618770
>same gameplay
>boring dungeons, only worse because Persona 3 and 4 let you get through them quickly
>no themes
>braindead cast
>boring social links
>style that gets old after a couple hours
>no marie, but has Futaba, who is worse
P5fags are delusional

>>377618112
>shadows are better

And hilariously bad designs

>>377618692
I heard that it is only possible by abusing shuffle time, I heard golden made it much easier since you have skill cards and level up cards.

>>377618487
I don't like his crotch zipper, but he's pretty great otherwise.

>>377618770
By pretending none of those are true and insisting that the most braindead and simplistic SMT combat ever is somehow better.

>>377618959
All Shinya's link does is make guns even more of a braindead attack than your other options, combined with reload it makes the game more laughably easy than it already was. They already have multi attack types in the game, and have had them before. Adding one more attack type you use before pressing R1 the rest of the dungeon isn't complexity.

>>377618692
Well, I did a solo izanagi on my first run on hard (even tho it was P4P), shuffle times with the arcana cards to raise your persona stat helped a lot. Had 99 un strenght at lvl 60, and final build for the final boss was : Primal Force/Agneyastra/Maziodyne/Debilitate/Firm Stance/Absorb Wind/High Counter/Apt Pupil

>>377618770
What do you mean by best gameplay? Battle system in P5 is absolutely the worst, its all flashy and cool, but actually has no depth at all.

>>377618970
>same gameplay
Yeah because the new damage types, negotiation, mid-battle party member switch and baton pass don't exist

>>377613873
>>377617972
My niggas, romanced her and enjoyed most of the scenes with her. I regret nothing.

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>>377619142
Well I don't know if I would call it the most braindead, but it's down there. SMT1 has pretty braindead combat from what I've played, but I lost my save at the Kongo-Kai. I haven't played 2 so I don't know if it improved on it.

>>377619330
If you're talking about the franchise, there's ones that blow it completely out.
What about the Persona series then?

>>377619430
P5 combat system is the worst even by Persona standarts.

>>377619340
>it took thwm two games to bring back negotiation
>mid-battle party member switch
Should have been in P3 already.
>baton pass
A gamebreaking exploit. Why Atlus can't do a proper persona game?

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>>377618692
Oh, I was talking about carrying his crisp model through P5, not P4, should have clarified.

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>>377619430
Even Persona 2 is better than 5.

I've lost hope that well ever get a true sequel to Persona 1

>>377619574
Better than P1 and P2. I like their ideas (Arcana affinities, grid, fusion spell, etc.) but the execution is absolute shit

>>377619639
If you do plenty of sacrificing you should be fine, Cross Slash is strong enough to keep him useful even if he's underleveled anyway.

>>377617451
You wouldn't happen to have Joker's version of this, would you?

>>377619197
Ma skills aren't comparable to selectively choosing which targets to hit and how many times to hit them.
>Adding one more attack type you use before pressing R1 the rest of the dungeon isn't complexity.
It is, objectively, and no amount of disingenuous shitposting on your part is going to change that.

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>>377619718
>tfw no gunpla/plamo that you can decorate your room with in p5
I was pretty dissapointed.

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>adding new mechanics and improving the flow of battle is now a bad thing.
P4fags continue to oust themselves as retards.

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>>377608118
No, I enjoyed it and moved on. Like a normal person.
It's waifufags who cling to one installment and pretend that anything that comes after is shite because it doesn't have their imaginary crush.

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>>377619842
I have this, Goro's and Yusuke's, but that's all.

>>377619959
na but real talk
every game without mitsuru is SHIT

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>>377619851
The delusion is worse than I thought. Explain to me how adding an element does anything to alter or expand the combat system.

>>377619574
now you're just talking out of your ass
P1's slow, outdated and just mundane after the first hour or two
same goes for P2, amplified by horrendous encounter rates
P3's laid foundations for new one while having a ton of things to iron out, which was done by P4
P4 simplified it a bit too much due to less damage types
P5 refined the system without adding more problems

>>377619948
>baton pass exploit
>improving the flow

kek

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>>377620005
That's cool. I really want Joker's by itself though. Thanks all the same.

>>377619938
It's little touches like these that I think make Persona 4 feel like a lot more enjoyable than Persona 5. On the surface, I thought there would be a lot to do and that you'd be able to explore all of Tokyo in Persona 5, but once you get past the first 10-20 hours there's nothing new left to discover. In Persona 4 there's still a bunch of stuff to do even in NG+

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>>377620005
post the pancakes one, I love that little smooth criminal jig he does.

Is P4 the most insignificant entry in the persona universe?

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>>377608118
I do not miss the terrible dungeons, gameplay and graphics. I do miss the cast alot, aswell as Inaba, it was extremley comfy. Most of all I miss Naoto

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>>377620246
No that's innocent sin

>>377620246
Plot-wise 1 is retconned with IS-EP's fuckery. 4 at least did happen in the same universe

>>377619938
There are items to decorate your room with in Persona 5.

>>377620246
Yes.

>>377620246
Nope, the pre-P3 entries are. Also "insignificant" means fucking nothing in the context of Persona since each entry is striving to be a standalone entry.

>>377620246
Persona Q tops it if you count spinoffs. It's "canon" except nobody remembers anything that occurs in it.
Enjoy your school festival in 4 knowing that a friendless girl is dying at the hospital and nobody gives a fuck.

>>377620498
http://spwiki.net/persona5/wikis/564.html

>>377608118
Ryuji just called my bullshit about "knowing that feeling" and it made me smile so no I don't miss P4's cast of Yu cock suckers.

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>>377620236
Here you are.

>>377620196
What do you mean? I think P5 had plenty of little touches that added to it. You could decorate your room more than in P4 and then there were things like Makoto stalking you. The side stories with the NPCs were also better than in 3 and 4 in my opinion, though Funky Student is still the best NPC. I will say that it could have used more stuff to do, I think the extra events and dates with Confidants are a rget addition, but, especially after playing Yakuza 0, it feels like there could be more minigames surrounding the things you can do for fun in Tokyo.

>>377620272
Honestly, one of the few things I do miss is the bad graphics. That's not to say I would want P5 to look like P3 and 4 because it looks a lot better, but I think a big part of the comfortable atmosphere in those games was the fact that it looked a little like you looking in on a little diorama or a dollhouse, and a part of me misses that.

When you see EpicNameBro without a problems beat final boss on hard with constantly using Morgana's Miracle Punch and never quite realized that thing doesn't work on bosses, really makes you think that something wrong with game.

>>377613758
Funny thing is, 5fags can't even defend this. 5fags are the worse cancer to the Megaten fanbase since 4.

>>377617407

>Liking Yukari

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>>377620246
If we don't count spin-offs it's any of the games pre-P3. None om them are even aknowledged anymore.

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>>377620498
I know that, but I wanted cool robots in my room.

>>377620758
Be easy on them, they are just newfriends who pretends that they played previous games.

>>377618223
Fun fact: Gun is the only type (aside from almighty) that can't be resisted/nullified/absorbed with a skill because there are none.

>>377615189
P5 had le ebig jojo poses

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>>377608415
>personafags fighting for wich one is the worst game
>real answer is both are VN trash
WOAH

>>377620069
(you)

>>377620060
How does having elements at all do anything to alter or expand the combat system? Would the combat be the same if there were only three elements? Two? What if they just got rid of elements all together, and damage was just damage?

Sure, the difference between 10 elements and 9 isn't a lot, but it's a difference. It's another variable that the player has to account for.

>>377620852
The scooters were better.

>>377620710
>Honestly, one of the few things I do miss is the bad graphics.
I don't agree with this at all. A remake of Persona 4 and Persona 3 in Persona 5s engine would be the two perfect games for me. Both 3 and 4 were really boring to look at and I didn't like how the 3d characters didn't properly represent how the characters looked in their portraits and cutscenes.

>>377620246
Considering all the dumb spin-offs revolve around it, I'd say it's the most important at this stage.

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>>377620236
just finished the manga, that was pretty decent

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>>377608118
>miss it

But it's always there anon.

>>377620872
and then theres the irrelevantfags(SMTfags)

>>377617407
scratch out aigis then add Ai and Sae
after that you'd be good to go

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>>377618487
did anyone else hang on to Arsene the entire game
almost turned him into a cane but my knife had better stats

>>377621102
>personacuck praising VN garbage
not surprising Neetcuck

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>>377609084
>it's literally scooby doo: the anime : the game

I can dig it

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>>377620998
I'm not trying to say they look better, even at the time of their release they looked unacceptable. Compare either of them to the other MegaTen game that released at the time and it's a world of difference. Even still, there was something about the look of them that felt very quaint and I liked it. I wouldn't want them remade though, mostly because if ATLUS are going to remake a game, there are ones that would benefit from it a lot more than those two.