>Best music >Best characters >Best gameplay >Best

>Best characters
This has to be a joke.

>>377607081
Obvious b8, but the music was quite good yes. One of the best of the franchise, though for me X just barely edges it out.

>Best music
ok
>Best characters
not ok
>Best gameplay
absolutely not ok
>Best dungeons
mhe
>Best story
no
It's my favorite FF though

By not having completely broken core mechanics.

>>377607081
pic not related I suppose?

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>>377607081
I only need one character

Final Fantasy is so absurdly hit-or-miss.

5-7 was the only time they managed three good games in a row. No, 4 was a few good ideas with shit execution.

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>>377607081
VIII was awful. The story was cheap. They all knew each other. Pass.

>>377607081
>best music
Shut the FUCK up.
https://youtu.be/KWIbZ_4k3lE

>>377609059
It's such a silly complain, like that one reveal at the orphanage ruined the entire story when in reality is a pretty minor plot point that is relatively irrelevant.

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>Best Music
I still have nightmares hearing this music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOHKCks5hs

>>377607081
FF5 is better

>>377608979
But muh rydia

I remember playing the demo for this. It was cool.

>>377607081
>FF games
>best
>good
>anything but shit
>ever
top kek

>>377609243
The whole story is fucking irrelevant.

>>377611957
Why?

>>377612015
The moment you start saying "X plotpoint is so minor, it's irrelevant" the whole thing falls apart.

It wasn't well written story, it was downright retarded towards the end, and the characters weren't good at alll.

>>377612195
>The moment you start saying "X plotpoint is so minor, it's irrelevant" the whole thing falls apart.
I don't necessarily agree, you can't make a general rule like this, we have to consider how impactful the specific bit we are talking about is.

The plot point sure is stupid in this case, but the implications it has on the plot are irrelevant since we know that the main reason why they got together in the end is because Cid was trying to fulfill the propecy. Sure, it's stupid and makes one ask "why did you bring it up in the first place?", but it doesn't deserve to always be presented as that one reason why the story doesn't work.

>>377607081
>Best bait
not even

>>377608979
But 6 isn't good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5OsMJUVXYA

I recommend watching this
beautifully played

>>377612412
>but it doesn't deserve to always be presented as that one reason why the story doesn't work.

The story doesn't work, because none of the motivations for it to go forward, or the final act make sense.

It's like they had material to make a solid 2 CD game, but had to drag it out.

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>>377613085
>But 6 isn't good

>>377613906
>because none of the motivations for it to go forward, or the final act make sense

>Ellone might know something about it, let's go talk with her
>Edea might know something, let's talk with her
>Rinoa is comatose, let's save her
>Adel has been awakened, let's kill her
>Ultimecia is trying to destroy the world, let's kill her

That the story is not particularly well written I agree, but I don't find their motivations to "not make sense".

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>>377613783
Thank you for sharing this.

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>>377607081
>Best gameplay
>Triple Triad
>Magic system
>GF system

>>377607081
Unremarkable music
Some of the worst characters in JRPG history (which is a real fucking achievement)
Utter shit gameplay
No real dungeons at all
One of the worst written plots in JRPG history (real overachiever at being shitty this game)

>>377614657
>Unremarkable music
Please.

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>>377614602
>GF system

>>377607081
>Best music
Yes
>Best characters
MC is good, everyone else is meh
>Best gameplay
No, draw is very tedious
>Best dungeons
Some look good, but that's all
>Best story
Far from it, but it is not terrible

>>377607081

There were either a lot of translation errors or Rinoa is actually a villain and the theory of her being a malignant sorceress is actually true.

Her dialogue, the way she acts and treats Squall, everything. She is constantly using people for what she wants, and doesn't seem to care about what happens to them.

She had a fling with Seifer but after he broke free from her, she instantly replaced him with Squall, using him as her own personal knight and puppet. Except one thing: Squall didn't like her at all and hated her guts, which she couldn't accept. Squall didn't want to be near her, he didn't believe in her dumbass mission and he just generally disliked her.

Slowly but surely, something changed. Suddenly, Squall falls for her out of nowhere. And then he leads a suicide mission to save her. What, why? What happened to the Squall that didn't get attached? He even turned down his own sexy homeroom teacher. So why fall for this bitch you hated?

It never made sense to me. After that, the story makes a huge shift. Squall becomes dumb and everything seems off. I for one truly believe that the FF8 plot is a ruse, and that the seemingly happy ending is just a disguise for the most tragic, nightmare-to-be place that is gonna become the FF8 world under the rule of Rinoa an her brainwashed knight Squall.

>>377615497
You either have legitimate autism or haven't played the game in 19 years and are going off of remembering what you want to remember.

>>377613085
Good, not great. 6 is a buggy mess, but unique and with many good qualities. 7 would barely be above average if it weren't for its excellent cinematography and use of pre-rendered backgrounds.

>>377615497
>Suddenly, Squall falls for her out of nowhere.
Squall and Rinoa build up their relationship during the course of two disks. Squall always refuses to make friends (or gosh, even lovers) because he has been traumatized by the fact he lost his parents first and his "big sis" Ellone later on. He decides to follow his heart and as soon as he does that, Rinoa goes in a coma. He refuses to let go, realizes how much she means for him and decides to do everything he can (by himself, not to be a weight on his other friends) in order to save her.

How such a simple character can be so easily misunderstood is the greatest of all mysteries.

>>377616285
Nah, bad. FF6 is half of a good game. The World of Ruin is just nothing, Kefka is nothing, and the story amounts to nothing.

>>377616313
Because he's male. If Squall were female everyone would instantly recognize his character. The common tsundere archetype, even down to using (or in this case trying to use) physical violence on the target of his affection

>>377616379
But the WoR is the good half of the game. The WoB may as well just be an extended cutscene/tutorial.

>Putting storytelling/satisfactory conclusion ahead of interesting events in an FF game.
>Rating 5 and 7 higher on this criteria.
Fucking WEW.

5 is a great game, but its story sure as fuck doesn't "amount to something."

>>377616526
Those archetypes are shit, and making a male one doesn't stop them from being shit.
Squall deserting his post when Garden needed him the most, just because the girl he was calling an annoying twit a CD ago fell into a coma, was one of the stupidest moments in the game.

>>377616846
>Putting storytelling/satisfactory conclusion ahead of interesting events in an FF game.
What is that supposed to even mean? If a story event is interesting, is that not good storytelling? I don't understand.
>Rating 5 and 7 higher on this criteria.
5, no. 7, yes. I don't fault 5 for it because 5 never tried to be anything more than a continuation and improvement upon 1 and 3's formula. 6 had an interesting story and it just dies in the middle of the game. Nothing remains except searching for the characters you give zero shits about, and then the game is over.

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>>377607081
Sop baiting Annon! It's not nice!

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I'll agree with the Music part, the soundtrack to this game is burned into my head from childhood.

Why are there so many GOAT tracks?

Don't be Afraid, The Landing, Force Your Way, Find Your Way, Man with the Machine Gun...Fucking amazing songs.

>>377615497

The ending is already a waking nightmare because of the time loop.

>>377617705
There is no time loop

>>377607081
The game has many flaws but the scenario is very nice.

What even is it. Fantastical realism? Much better than the similar FF15

>>377617883
Yeah, there is.
Squall and Ultimecia only exist because of the choices each made.
Squall going into the future to kill Ultimecia, caused the creation of Seed, whose existence is the prime reason for Ultimecia being the psycho bitch that she was.

>>377617883

Yes there is. Every time Squall goes back in time, the same events happen that end up at Ultimecia casting Time Kompression ending the world and preventing it from continuing.

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>>377607081
>Best characters
>Best gameplay

>>377617883
>game has a scene where Squall goes back in time and talks to a younger Edea and tells her about SEED and Gardens and everything without causing a paradox
>not a time loop

>>377618238
>>377618254
Not a time loop. The only character who would have been in a time loop is Ultimecia, but she died.

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>>377615093
>mc is good
Whatever.

>>377617213
>If a story event is interesting, is that not good storytelling?
A story can have great individual events but fail miserably at storytelling as a whole. X is a great example of this, except it has even fewer good touches than 6. None of the FF games have a strong narrative overall; the few that succeed either keep it simple or expand on minutiae instead.

And on 6, it's not that the plot drops the ball: the story ends. WoR is the equivalent to Sephiroth in the crater. It's Ardyn waiting in Insomnia. Unlike other games, however, 6 opts to let you decide how much more context you want before the end. You can just rush straight to Kefka or you can see side stories, examine what's happened to the world. The post game begins before the credits roll to give you actual agency and choice after a standard FF adventure has played out.

To say that giving the player freedom and a great role-playing opportunity at the end is the same as the plot dropping the ball is asinine. The World of Ruin is a strength of the game, not a flaw.

>>377618460
While a funny looking fake, has there been any talk of a VIII-2?
While it's a very love it or hate it game in the West, the Japs love the fuck out of it.

>>377618404
The term you are looking for is "self-fulfilling-prophecy". Sure, the reason why Ultimecia hated seeds and wanted to create time compression, and why the seeds wanted her dead are intertwined thanks to the time travel element, but the only thing in a loop here is Ultimecia herself (or, more precisely, Ultimecia's powers). Those powers are stuck in a cycle, I absolutely agree.

Everyone else isn't tho. Our main heroes returned to their own dimension and that was it. Sure, in a very distant past, Ultimecia will become a tyrant and get ultimately killed by legendary seeds, but after her death the time compression is resolved and the world will go on.

>>377619073
>past
I meant future

>>377618483

What? You're going to have to elaborate on your reasoning. You don't need to live throughout a time loop in order to be in a time loop. Let's say for the sake of the argument that the time between Squall's time and Ultimecia's is 3000 years and Squall's year 1247. A farmer that lives between 2811-2896 is still within the time loop.

If you're confused by Ultimecia's words and goal of only her existing in Time Komression, that's not the time loop, that's a completely separate thing.

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>>377607081
I agree

>>377619176
>You don't need to live throughout a time loop in order to be in a time loop.
Yes you do. What the fuck is the point of clarifying it as one if not? It's just time then.

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>>377619208
What a man of fine taste you are.
>tfw I have never played super mario rpg
I really should.

>best music
yes
>best dungeons
probable
>characters
>story
>gameplay
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>377619176
A farmer that lives between 2980-3060 still isn't in a time loop, because the world isn't sent back in time, just Ultimecia and Squall (temporarily) are.

>>377619346
It's a really good game but it helps if you understand how big it was back then

>>377607081
they did and they won

>>377619380
autism

>>377618783
There was originally going to be a Seifer Gaiden game but muh no-sequels-allowed kept strong until X made gorillion moneys

>>377619208
I only disagree with three of your picks there, and I don't necessarily disagree strongly enough to bother arguing them.

So yeah. Great tastes. Could be better, but hey, if you were perfect you'd be me.

>>377619291
>>377619436

Is this a fucking 'If a tree falls in the forest and no one's there to see it' situation? The aspects should only concern if time is warped or not. The individual people are irrelevant. Just because the loop is long and people within can live out their lives [The Card Club proves that anyone within the loop can be dragged into time compression (even multiple times throughout their lives], so the entire timeline is fucked and aware, but that's not the issue.) doesn't mean it's not a loop.

But fine if we agree that it's not a loop, the alternative is that the world just ends at Ultimecia, because getting past the moment of casting Time Kompression is impossible.

>>377619985
Unless you provide any evidence for that statement I'm just going to assume it was from a fever dream you once had that you couldn't divorce from reality.

>>377620220
post yours? might as well do a 3x3 thread considering how ffviii threads always end up

>>377607081
All the characters except Squall are terrible though. Honestly I can understand why Squall is such a loner, everyone around him is fucking retarded.

So, did they ever explain to me how the gunblade actually works? Like, did they ever specify why pulling a trigger to a barreless gun, is more efficient than just swinging the blade as hard as you can?

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>>377613783

>>377620368
>the alternative is that the world just ends at Ultimecia
No it doesn't. Time compression "unwinds" after she dies. Otherwise the party would die, not be returned to Balamb Garden.

>>377620368
>the alternative is that the world just ends at Ultimecia, because getting past the moment of casting Time Kompression is impossible
That's your assumption tho. When time kompression is activated, -all- of time is compressed, this means not only there is NO future, but there is also no past whatsoever. But, after ultimecia is defeated, they travel to the past with no problems. By this assumption, since the past has been restored, so has the future.

>>377620548

Idea is that the explosion causes vibration in the blade, which widens the wound as you cut them.

>>377620605
>>377620640

Ultimecia couldn't have compressed her future into the time compression, since it hadn't happened yet, so it can't unwind from there. Only everything until Time Kompression can unwind.

Maybe it's an assumption in some manner, but it makes sense.

>>377607081

>Best music
I will give you Best music, but only as a generous stretch.
>Best characters
I don,t have anything against squall. Was a bit uninteresting, but most of the cast was forgettable trope characters. Zell and selfie are painful at best. And the rest is forgettable. Only characters I remember are seifer and Quistis for some reason. And the villain is a snorelord, but that's probably because she interact to much with Rinoa which is shit.
>Best gameplay
A game that effectively punish you for leveling up. Neat. That noobtrap aside, the draw system is grindy as fuck. I do appreciate the system, but the grind is really heavy.
>Best dungeons
I can literally not remember a single one of them aside from ultimecia castle (Or whatever the end dungeon is called) and the starting fire dungeon where you choose your time limit.
>Best story
It's literally all over the place. It's okay at first, but as soon as the allucination with laguna starts, it goes downfall. Also fuck that wtf ending.

Let's see you defend this OP. Let alone say it's better than FF7 or FF6 in any department.

>>377621010
>Ultimecia couldn't have compressed her future into the time compression, since it hadn't happened yet
Stop. You have to prove this assumption. Time kompression is said to compress all time. If you have the power to move across time, then all of the timestream exists for you, you can't say "oh it hasn't happened yet" because then I would want to ask you how from in present time you had a witch taking control of people from the future.

>>377621010
Even if you assume that the "future" doesn't exist until it happens, it still doesn't result in a destroyed world post-time compression, because again, time compression was undone after she dies. We know that to be a fact because of the ending.

>>377620395
I'd have to figure out what folder it's in and dig through the hundreds up images because I'm a heathen who labels things poorly.

Then I'd have to wonder if my opinions have shifted at all. I can say the two that would definitely be removed would be MGS2 and Star Fox 64. I enjoy them both, but feel they're to flawed to bask in such prestige. The more difficult position would be deciding whether I remove Bloodborne or OoT. Likely, OoT because it's not actually my favorite Zelda title, while BB is my favorite FromSoftware title.

Candidates for replacing them likely fall on to Chrono Cross, Vagrant Story, and either a Persona/SMT title or FF:Tactics.

With all the time I put into this message I should have just dug out the fucking picture.

>>377621158

>because then I would want to ask you how from in present time you had a witch taking control of people from the future.

When did that happen?

My "proof" (read: that convinces me, but is not airtight) for no future existing past Ultimecia is that it can't have occured ever. No thing could've gotten there, not even Hyne, if it really is "all of time". It has to be a void.

>>377621639
What gives you that idea? If the future past Ultimecia's time were a void, everything would be a void. Time compression didn't just affect Ultimecia's time, it affected all time.

>>377621639
>When did that happen?
I worded it poorly, but I was saying that I was under the impression you believed you couldn't ever go to the "future" because it hasn't happened yet.

But now I understand you believe that Time Kompression kinda "negated" all time since the moment Ultimecia cast it. It's an interesting theory, but I would need some basis to believe it, to be honest.

>>377621581
I have so many games I love that I just put those I finished over 10 times and can still have fun playing them.

It's about being your favorite games, not ''perfect'' games

>>377622731
Of course, of course. I'm working on no sleep and a full bowl so rationale isn't quite front and center for me, I've already thought of a handful of games I'd argue with myself over on the list since posting the reply anyways.

I'm a lit/film grad who's always argued the defense that there's such a thing as entertaining VS quality in artistic mediums.

Schindler's List is an incredible movie, but it's not an entertaining movie, being an example. I think when it comes to choosing a personal favorite, the bulk of consumers prefer to lean towards what is more entertaining as opposed to what is critically a masterpiece and I don't find fault in that tendency.

>>377623428
There's only a difference between entertaining and quality if you think there's a difference between being moved/inspired and being entertained.

>>377621792

Well wasn't that Ultimecia's goal with Time Kompression? To be the only thing that exists? At least that was what the worst person in the game, Odine, said.

>>377621794

I'm glad you understand.

>but I would need some basis to believe it, to be honest.

This is a very understandable position.

I guess I've just grown fond of the loops until world destruction into an identical loop idea, as though the unwinding Time Kompression creates the (new, but identical) world (next loop) in the ending.

If there are parallel worlds, which feels slightly off putting, since the game's theme is fate, all of this speculation is out the window of course.

>>377624005
It was her goal, yes, but she didn't achieve her goal. Otherwise the ending of the game would just be a black screen.

>>377618759
>fail miserably at storytelling as a whole. X is a great example of this,
A ff6 shill having shit taste. Who would have thought!
FFX's storytelling is one of the best in gaming history; it has an absolutely perfect pacing and an unsurpassed sense of travel; in fact it's so good that despite having such a terrible MC as Tidus, it still manages to constantly it make you care and feel emotionally attached to him.

>>377624121

It's true. But it's not really my main reason to believe in the void after her. I just said it in the sense that a void asa concept can exist in the story..

>>377623428
That said, here is my defense of FF8.

JRPG's are usually ripe with a lot of bullshit cliches, both in the narrative and its characters. One draw I've always had towards FF8 was the feeling that it treating the characters far more respectfully and realistically than most JRPGs.

It's the standard bog fare of "Teenagers save the world" bullshit that every RPG boils down to, but here it isn't just "The local village boy and his ragtag bunch of misfits stop the world ending baddy"- it's "A group of trained, dysfunctional child soldiers stop the baddy". All the bullshit Squall gets for being an emotionally stunted social reject is kind of horseshit, because on a psychological level, he makes more sense than 99% of other JRPG protagonists. The steps his life led him down almost perfectly shapes the dysfunctional wreck of a human being he is at the start of the game. The same can be said for the bulk of the other characters.

They're quirky oddball misfits because they've legitimately been trained from an early age to be mercenaries for whoever the highest bidder is. It helps that in a weird way the entire concept of FF8 feels incredibly like a Joss Whedon concept. The game also treats you fairly respectfully in what it doesn't tell you. It doesn't give you full details on Adel. It doesn't even straight up say BOY DID YOU KNOW LAGUNA IS SQUALLS DAD! Or include something absurd like a "I love you Rinoa!~" "OH I lyke luv u 2 Squall!"

>>377624753
It trusts the player to connect certain dots, and fill in certain blanks. It shows you enough of the world that you can imagine or infer what happened at certain times, in certain places, without being told. As for some of the time compression stuff? It's a bit wonky and confusing, but the characters all seem to think and agree that it is as well. In the end, the player probably experiences the same head scratching they do, as they shrug and wish for the best.

I won't defend the twist that they're all from the same orphanage. I've actually thought long and hard about ways they could have done that differently and not made other large changes to the game and came up blank. But fuck it.

Either way, TL;DR I'm stoned and tired, and nobody should read this shit.

>>377607081
>Best music
unfair statement, i think it's on par/among the best
>Best characters
sadly wrong
>Best gameplay
none can beat X-2's gameplay
>Best dungeons
arguable
>Best story
just no

It's easily a top 5 FF for me though.

Reminder that his kills the FF7 and muh FF9 arguments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qcW0oiLKHg