Would you buy a PlayStation Switch? https://www.youtube.com/

If it had good games sure.

>>377564520
>Watch the video
No thanks.

>>377564520
No, consoles need to just die a quiet death and the publishers need to start contracting more PC games instead.
A universally compatible platform is in the best interest of the consumer, but there can still be competition between manufacturers and OEM's so we don't suffer from a monopoly.
Consolefags are literally dragging out the dark ages of gaming longer than it needs to last.

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>>377564520
>switch without the Nintendo first party games
Great deal

>>377564520
>sonybros do nothing but shit on the switch
>literally so delusional that they fail to read any of the good signs and unironically claim that it'll be DOA
>rumors of sony doing
>HEY THIS IS GREAT!
shameless doesn't even describe it

>>377564520
OP is the owner of the channel.

>>377564520
No, i would buy proper new psp, not fucking shitch

I'm quite surprised, normally sony waits at least 2 years before shamelessly copying nintendo

>>377564520
No I wouldn't and yes I do believe it's coming out. It won't be powered by AMD anything though. AMD has no real mobile experience. It will be PowerVR again and whether it comes out this year or next year it will be comparable to Switch (PowerVR's best is worse than the X1 in the Switch)

>Move 2.0
Yeah, trying to play catch-up totally worked for them the first time.

Also, what is it with Sony and trying to color-coordinate their controllers with gaudy neon lights? The move controllers had them, the PS4 controllers have them, and if this concept art is real it looks like they'll have it too. Why can't I have a gaming peripheral that doesn't waste so much unnecessary battery power and look like a fucking lighthouse beacon?

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>sony handhelds
also by the way, while /v/ likes to meme that the switch isn't strong, you aren't going to get a better mobile chip than the X1 without going into expensive territory

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>>377564520
>B B B But it's ok when Sony does it!

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>>377565353
>you aren't going to get a better mobile chip than the X1 without going into expensive territory
Yeah, and Sony would never go there

>>377565353
but the switch ISN'T strong.
at all.

I'd buy one if it was built better than the Switch.

>>377565546
Only took them almost a decade to break even on that.

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>>377564716
>No, consoles need to just die a quiet death and the publishers need to start contracting more phone games instead.

Fixed that for you, and for free. No need to thank me.

>>377564852

yeah, im pretty sure those 1st party games sure helped the WiiU. And the switch literally has one relevant first party game till mario comes out and it isnt even an exclusive

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>>377564852
But that's called a Switch

>>377565832
Please do tell what Sony has to offer over Nintendo on the handheld department?

Sony is all about western multiplats and third party exclusives. Western developers do not like to develop for portable systems.

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>Sony releases a device with no legs to stand on its own after hearing a bunch of people talk of some new hardware
It's not something unheard of for sony.

>>377564592
>PS4 took 3 years to get Bloodborne
>Sony dropped the Vita in 18 months

>>377564520
*Sudden flashbacks of the vita come to mind*

>>377565201
Came here to post this

>>377566072
Picture that minus the weeb games
Beautiful

>>377565987
And the PS VR.

>>377566060
I don't know what that has to do with my post but ok

>>377564520
Nintendo is at an advantage in that they are consolidating all their studios onto one platform.

If Sony were to do this, they would need to split their production. It would be the half-assed Vita support all over again.

>>377565567
nice memeing but as far as affordable mobile chips go, you aren't going to get much better than the tegra x1
pascal chips are very expensive

>>377565201
The neon lights are so the cameras can track them. If you have the Playstation Camera accessory for the PS4, it uses the light on the Dualshock 4 to track its location. Same with the Move controllers.

I'm convinced that Sony was originally planning to bundle the Playstation Camera with the PS4, the same way Microsoft initially bundled the Kinect with the Xbox One, but after seeing how poorly the Kinect was received by everyone after the initial Xbox One reveal, they backed the fuck away from that plan and made it an optional accessory. However, the light on the controller persisted.

>>377564520
>Vita
>PS Now
>PS VR
>Vita TV
>connected TVs
>Xperia play
>PS+
>UMD
Just some of the few Sony techs they abandoned with no regard for the consumers that bought them.

>>377566229
You mentioned "if it had good games", it took the PS4 3 years to get a single good game, that time (3 years) is more than Sony would give it as they killed the Vita in 18 months (1 1/2 years), so the notion it would survive long enough to get that good game is funny to me.

>>377564520
>just streams stuff from ps4 to tablet

no thanks

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>>377564940
Sonygros have been the worst section on the board for some time now. I imagine if the Switch gets really big, the Nintenbros will overtake them in that department.

No one can ever be happy that we have a steady stream of good games coming out, the current industry leader's fans always have the Dobson mentality of "Me favorite video games are better than yours!"

>>377566453
Wonderbook

>>377566519
Any single platform user is fucking cancer.

The only exception would be xbox, but i'm thinking that's because there's so fucking few of 'em

>>377566142
Well Persona 4 Golden was pretty cool, it's the only "weeb" game I enjoy. It'd be nice to see a mobile Persona 5 as well

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>>377564520
>tfw you know sony is going to lose money off of this
>tfw you're going to enjoy watching them sony fans desperately try to damage control this

>>377566453
They also bought, disbanded and kept the patents for on-live.

>>377564852
The switch still doesn't have a single Nintendo first-party exclusive that isn't also on the Wii U yet.

>>377564852

So like the Nintendo Switch, unless we're counting ports again.

>>377566740
Factually wrong.

>>377566740
Nobody owned a Wii U and it's getting two in the next two months with plenty more right after. Chill with the memes.

>>377566759
The mental loops you roaches make is hilarious.

>>377566465
Aight

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>>377566453
Subtatct a few things like Vita TV, Xperia, UMD, and various TVs. Some of this stuff just sells on its own without and push from Sony. It's pretty pathetic what people would buy without support for it.

PSVR is the best selling VR headset on the market, beating out the Rift and Vibe. Even Sony admitted the concept was niche yet still put it out on the market.

>>377566220
they actually got lucky with that, though. PSVR is doing better than Oculus or Vive, I believe.

>>377566956
>they actually got lucky with that
>no games
>sales are well below their expectations
I expect to hear no new VR games this E3.

>>377566929
And all they are doing with that "best selling VR headset" is making a quick buck off the hardware and leaving it hanging, making sure that VR will never go anywhere as many consumers got too burned to ever buy one again.

>>377564520
>Sony handhelds
No, I'm not going to make the same mistake twice.

>>377567123
What more do you want? I just told you that even they thought it was a niche idea. I doubt they'll actually do anything with it like make Last of Us: Part II VR.

As for me I'm buying one for my PC and other devices. It can connect to any hdmi.

>What Nintendo does, Sony copies
Like clockwork.

>>377564520
no because sony and xbox games are generic and boring

>>377567526
>Sony does what Nintendid

>>377567826
Fucking nintenkids thinking they are clever

Who the hell is this for?

Sriously, I want to know. People who own a Switch won't give a shit about it because they already have a hybrid console. PS4/PS4 Pro owners already have a console and are going to be pissed at Sony. The remaining handheld game devs are already working with Nintendo and your average consumer is not going to buy another one of Sony's handhelds because of the flop that was the Vita.

It's also really hard to find a chip that would be more powerful than the X1 that's inside of the Switch while maintaining a competititve price. And I hope that Sony remembers that giant crabs aren't enough to convince people to buy an expensive console.


How many times has this stupid company failed trying to make money by jumping on the latest trend?

>PS Move
>Wonderbook
>3D TV
>UMD
>PS Now

What are they thinking?

>>377566956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETCLX8-kw9s

GX sold me on PSVR.

>>377565987
>kinda want a Move for RE5 and the HotD games
>still can't justify paying more than $50 for one

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>>377564520
This is just fucking sad.
Sony copying Nintendo for the 10204593th time.
How can people support this shameless company?

>>377564520
It's not official. But it's still funny.
The one absolute biggest issue I have with the Nintendo Switch. Is the stick on the right joycon being being too close to the buttons, getting in the way of you comfortably using the 'B' button.

And here we have this design. It looks even worse. The sticks look even closer to the buttons, and now it's not just on the right controller but on the left one too.
When you mimic other concepts you're supposed to improve on it, and remove or circumvent flaws. Not double down on them.

Mobile gaming being the one thing PC can't reliably do means that console manufacturers should instead opt to put resources into that niche.

The Vita was a shitshow, but if the next playstation were a nice handheld with a good amount of power, then I think we could see a revival of some sort.

At least, that's what I wish were the case. Too bad people still want to pay for half-baked consoles, shitty online services, and an unsustainable market.

when has Sony last had an original idea?
Eyetoy? Move?

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>>377568326
If we're not counting mid-gen upgrades, there's always this.

If they made a Playstation 4 portable they'd absolutely dominate the switch.

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>>377568326

>>377568326
Rechargeable controller.

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>>377568326
>Move
>original

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>>377566072
>Mfw Ign said the vita was going to do better than the 3ds.

>>377567968
>What are they thinking?
To begin with. The "Sony Playman" isn't a real product.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm76LVeRvrU

>>377568452
It would also heat up like the sun and have a sixty minute battery life.

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>>377568457
I wonder how many people post this image without even realizing that it's complete and utter bullshit made for shitposting purposes.

>>377568834
>sixty minute
Try 30 or less

>>377566759
What good ports the ps4 had at launch?

Knack looks like a ps1 game? Plays like one and has the frame rate of one but i dont remember being on ps1

It was also not realy good

>>377565987
The Nintendo Wii is not a idea orginal from Nintendo faggot

>Nintendo makes shitty but affordable kiddy hardware
>Sony responds by making objectively better hardware, but no games
:(

>>377569024
The guy who invented planes was not the first one to think about flying

>>377568662
So why does OP keep posting it?

>>377568457
but the innovation ...

>>377569154
Woah dude

>>377569157
Because he's an insecure roach who has to keep shit talking the Switch or else he wont be able to enjoy his own purchases.

>>377569153
>Microsoft keeps trying to make the Xbox an office watercooler that can show sports
>PC plays video games

>>377564520
Nope Vita games came to PC, Switch games won't

>Trusting Sony with a handheld after the Vita

>>377569024
Yes, Sony had the patents for motion controls since the PS2 days, but tell me with a straight face they would've honestly released it had it not been for the Wii, with emphasis on the "release" part.

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>>377569385
>Switch games won't

Not the undesirables like 1 2 Switch or Bomberman R, no. But give it some time, I always get my Nintendo games on PC one way or the other.

>>377564520
I don't see how they could make it work. The PS5 is rumored to be out soon. If they make the PS5 portable and at-home like the Switch, that would be one thing. But to make a new piece of hardware in addition to a new console would just be retarded. It has never worked for them in the past and it won't work now.

I loved the PSP and the Vita, but it just didn't do that well. They had a really hard time gathering any kind of support from 3rd party devs, especially in the West. The handheld market is just not there for them. They do great with their home consoles, but the last thing anyone wants is another handheld console with no games.

>>377569663
>nvidia gpu
>emulated
Good luck with that.

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>>377564520

>>377569830
Shitposters don't care about reality, anon.

>>377566465
You sound like a faggot

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>>377566453
>PS Now

How the fuck have they abandoned Now? I've been playing it all day. They also recently announced they're going to be putting PS4 games in the library soon, so we people can play PS4 games on PC. Pretty far from abandoned.

If you mean they quit supporting it on certain devices, that's kinda fair, I guess. Although the devices support was dropped didn't make much sense to worry about, anyway. That's not abandoning it, though.

I'm a PC guy, and don't even a Sony console, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't really dig PS Now. Being able to play console games that I can't emulate yet on PC is pretty fucking sweet.

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I don't understand why nintendo bros are so mad about this. Sony has been developing this handheld for a while now

>>377564520
If something like this is true then it'll go the way sony stuff always goes.

>take competitor's idea and make it -technically- superior
>do something stupid to fuck it up
>drop support for it when it doesn't sell well
>modders take over and make it worth the 70 bucks on clearance
>weebs continue to buy weeb games for it

>>377567968
>your average consumer is not going to buy another one of Sony's handhelds because of the flop that was the Vita.

Just like no one ever bought another one made by Nintendo after the Virtual Boy flopped. Even if you don't count it as a portable, same thing applies.

You're right no one will buy one, though. Mobile phones have made it so everyone can game on the go, and if they want to be super hardcore about it, Nintendo is what they buy. I don't think this is a good idea, like at all.

>>377568457
And how many of them actually made a difference or innovated vidya?

>>377570193
Except Sony locks it down with aggressive anti-piracy technology like with the vita, and doesn't drop the price enough, so even modders/pirates don't give a fucking shit about it.

>>377564520
>liked sony handhelds because muh weeb games
>hate sony because they're shit at support for their handhelds
>will get called a sonyfag even though I hate sony just because I like a thing that's made by sony even though I'm technically liking something that sony doesn't give a shit about

Can't there be a differentiation between psp/vitafags (and soon sony switchfags or whatever) and proper sonyfags? I mean even ps4fags shitpost vitafags so it's not like grouping them together just makes stuff confusing.

>>377564520
hell no
theres a reason i dont buy nintendo products anymore
i dont want that to start barging its way into the other consoles sony or microsoft
let nintendo do the gimmick stuff its their thing dont think everything needs it

>>377565353
The PSP was fun

If only for the ps1 games

>>377564520
>meme consoles with meme gimmicks
I just want a normal controller, theres no point in motion controls or VR if you have two analog sticks

>>377570802
just give up, the future is now. Everything will go in the wrong direction and no one's going to agree with you. This is how it feels to get older.

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>>377570279
>>377567968

>your average consumer is not going to buy another one of Sony's handhelds because of the flop that was the Vita.

Are you stupid? The Wii U flopped, yet people are buying the Switch. The Vita outsold the Wii U but only by a hair. If anything don't count out the die hard fans who'll buy these devices based off brand loyalty.

The same retards on /v/ who said the Switch would fail didn't take in account of that at least a fraction of the same people who bought Wii U would go for another round with the Switch. That, and having great marketing like Nintendo does helps a great deal.

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>Digital backwards compatibility
>Physical backwards compatibility
>FGO preinstalled + 10 free tickets

>>377564520
Only if it was backwards compatible with vita, psp, psone, ps2, and kept remote play.

>>377566771
Proof?

>>377571336
I wish.

Have a slot on top for Vita chips and a disk drive on the side with backwards compatibility for PS One, PS2, and PS3. PSP would be digital though.

>>377571039
I just hate it because motion controls/VR suck and probably will for a couple years
not to mention that developers sacrifice good gameplay for shitty controls that don't work half the time or work poorly
you press a button and it should work 100% of the time unless in-game conditions don't allow it
if I made a program with a button that only worked 95% of the time and it got released into the final product I would get fired
and thats what motion controls are to me

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>patent from 2015

Why are you guys up in ARMS about it now?

>>377571090
Nintendo didn't completely drop the Wii U though. They tried to keep it afloat and finished its life with Zelda in 2017.
Sony pretty much stopped mentioning the Vita's existence from the get-go, and after Freedom Wars in 2014 they stopped making new games for the thing.

Unless if the new Sony hybrid completely takes off like the PS4 did, I see Sony pulling the same stunt and just dropping support for it over just doing PS4 games instead. That's why I think people were willing to give Nintendo another chance but might not give Sony another chance.

>>377564520
Hell no. Sorry consoles are starting to be shit. They want people to buy more console bs each go instead of making games. NOPE NOPE NOPE.

holy shit does that guy ramble.
if it's a thing i'll probably get it. i'm a shitty sonybro, i know, but I like my playstation stuff.

>>377571907
>i have already spent years investing into ps+ and it's too late for me to pull out now

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>people are worried about the Switch patent from 2015 when Sony has some other weird as fuck patents that are legit awful

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*breathes*

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Every time

So yeah. the only place I could find talking about this Sony handheld thing is neogaf.

So this shit is completely fake isn't it?

>>377571785
Sony tends to get away with dropping support for their devices prematurely while gaining a small profit, with the promise of a ten year lifespan.

Latest example being PSVR. But it doesn't always work out for them. That's why there's a lot of experimental stuff out in the ether like Vita TV or PS Now that's making them lose money.

>>377564592
Fpbp

>>377570483
I think Sony could make a killing by going full in on handheld.

>>377573275
>Sony tends to get away with dropping support for their devices prematurely
The Ps2 lasted through like 3/4ths of the ps3's lifetime. The PS3 is still supported with games every so often.

Can someone tell me a recent 360 or Wii U game that isn't Zelda?

>>377572151
>Give us hair and saliva samples to end commercial!

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>lel

>>377566450
>planning to
they did. all the launch models at $400 came with a camera. That's why everyone and their mother had the playroom.

>>377573839
Are you sure? I was certain the camera wasn't included in the base model.

>>377573913
It wasn't a required item but yes it was included in all launch model systems.

>>377573467
I said they always give you a ten year promise. Doesn't mean they'll consistently pump out stuff all the time. The PS3 did last for ten years. Persona 5 might just be the last PS3 game. The PS3 outlived the Xbox 360, Wii, and the Wii U.

>>377573467
I'm pretty sure that Nintendo wasted less money that Sony ever did with PS3. PS3 bleed money for like 6 years straight.

WiiU started to make profit back when MK8 was out. And Splatoon pushed the damn thing.

>>377573949
>In March 2014, Sony announced that over 900,000 PlayStation Cameras were sold alongside the PlayStation 4 console, leading to shortages of stock supply.[5] It was estimated that 15% of PlayStation 4 owners also owned a PlayStation Camera.[6][7]

It was sold alongside, not included.

>>377573275
They kept PS1, PS2, PS3, and PSP alive for all at least 10 years. PSP less so in the west, but it had a lot more support in the later years in Japan.
Vita is already technically discontinued in the US and EU as of early last year since they stopped shipping new consoles and memory cards to those countries.

>>377573839
They absolutely did not. I got one at launch and it did not have one bundled.

>>377566956
>need to have dildos in hands
>no cameras
>literally just a screen half inch from your eye


Shit shit shit

>>377564520
I could only see a new Sony portable succeeding under 3 conditions.

1. Backwards compatible with all PSP and PS Vita games
2. Significantly cheaper than the Switch
3. Able to remotely stream games from the PS4

So yeah, it needs to be able to play PSP and Vita games, be noticably more cost efficient than the Switch and it needs to be able to play PS4 games by streaming them remotely.

If they can do all of that it would burst onto the mainstream market as a cost-effective console that instantly has a massive library and allows people to play their PS4 games portably.

>>377574123>>377573979
Sucks for the Vita in general.

>>377574258
Chances are it would have compatibility with PSP, it's incredibly easy to emulate, that even the vita can do it with almost 100% efficiency. Not sure about vita emulation yet but maybe it's doable. and you can do ps4 remote play on the vita so there's no reason you wouldn't be able to do it on a new handheld.

>>377574348
so a not-vita-2?

>>377574348
>>377574258
As for the price point, it'd probably be a $250 if they tried to include vita compatibility, absolutely doable $150 or $199 otherwise. If they try this awful babbyhand controller shit like the joycons, it'll go up significantly because of the additional hardware you need, but I can't imagine them ever doing that.

>>377574002
It only bled a bit of money because the cost to make the system was more then the price they put on it. But at the end of it's generation it over took the 360 in sales. Though that did not make them money. Only staunched the loss a bit.
The Wii U on the other hand had the same problem with money loss on production. The only difference between that and the PS3 is that the PS3 sold it's units to mitigate the money lost while The Wii U couldn't sell for shit and was a massive money pit.

The Wii U was a far greater financial failure. Nintendo just has 90's money and Wii Money to fall back on which is what secured their next console the Switch. Nintendo cut their losses and ran.

Wii U made a small profit for the months of MK8 and Splatoon but that could be said of the Ps3 and the releases of Uncharted games and Last of us. in the long run they were both failures.

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Nintendo lightning only strikes once, and it's a double edge sword. The Kinect and PS move failed because it tried to cash in on the Wii's success, and the Wii U failed because it tried to recature the Wii's success.

>>377564940
Difference is Sony knows how to make competent hardware.

>>377574258>>377571658
I can dream, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExaAYIKsDBI

>>377573608

it's funny how horrible sony fans have gotten over the years.

>>377574258
>2. Significantly cheaper than the Switch
>sony
>making anything cheaper than Nintendo

>>377567968
>It's also really hard to find a chip that would be more powerful than the X1
What is an X2

>>377571658
Sorry anon, but even if they made some form of backwards compatibility, it would be guaranteed to be entirely through their digital store.
Adding a bunch of slots and disk drives to the console just for backwards compatibility would drive the price of the hardware sky high.

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>>377573492

To be fair Micro$soft could've just stayed out of the console buisness, the whole collective world of gaming probably would be a lot more interesting if the 'Dudebroshooter' console was never conceived in the first place

>>377565987
The Switch was only officially unveiled I think last October? The amount of time it takes for R&D and to create a working prototype is much longer than the amount of time we've even known what the Switch even was, meaning whatever they've been working on has been worked on since before they even unveiled the Switch,

It's still stupid for Sony to release another handheld given how badly the Vita flopped.

>>377569425
>Trusting Nintendo with a homeconsole after the Pii U

>>377573492

Whoops, wrong post,
>>377573608
You i meant

>>377574906
Well if it's too expensive then it'll fail. The high price tag was the main reason the Vita never took off to begin with after all. Yeah it also has very few games out in the west but that's more of a symptom of companies reacting to people never buying it in the first place because it cost too much when compared to Nintendo handhelds.

It would be quite stupid of Sony to repeat the exact same mistake again.

>>377574258
Vita does all three already...

>>377575008
Hell. Would have been better if Sega went with the Microsoft Dreamcast instead of the version it went with.

We could of still had Sega vs Nintendo to this day.

Sony won't make games for it because they don't think it will sell. It doesn't sell because it has no games.

>>377575681
Sony doesn't make games

>>377575479
The Vita was too expensive on release, as a result it never saw mainstream adoption and was shunned by developers. Which led to an unstoppable downward spiral of having no mainstream titles because it has no install base and no one wanting to buy it because it had no mainstream titles.

Sure, now it might be cheaper than the Switch, but the Vita was really expensive on release when compared to the handhelds being offered by Nintendo, which ultimately killed it as a platform.

Release price and initial adoption are the most important factors in determining the future success (or failure) of a gaming platform. Regardless of anything else Sony needs to make sure this new portable is affordable and appealing to the mainstream so that it can gain widespread mainstream adoption right from the start.

Otherwise it'll die like the Vita did all over again.

>>377567968
>People who own a Switch
So 12 people wont care?

>>377575893
Switch launched at $50 more expensive than Vita launched at and that's doing very, very well.
Yes Vita has proprietary memory cards, but even with a 16GB card at the time would still bring you to right around the same price.

>>377576502
Yes, however the difference is that the Switch was billed as a portable AND a console. The Vita was advertised as just a portable. People have a higher price point for home consoles than they do for portables.

Also Nintendo has everyone's childhood hostage, a collection of extremely popular exclusive 1st party IPs and an army of rabid fanboys that would buy their newest console regardless of price so they can get away with prices that other companies simply wouldn't.

Not to mention that the Switch was released to basically zero competition, so they didn't need to be as competitive with their price. I theorize that this is kinda why Nintendo times their console releases to be deliberately out of sync with Sony and Microsoft, because it creates a less competitive environment that allows their consoles to be adopted without having to compete against the other major players due to the 2 year gap between their release dates.

>>377564520
No paid online and I'll buy 6

>>377568878
Nah. Most of them are correct. Like the tomb raider lock-on.

>>377575893
The Vita's current state is because of Sony. Same reason how the PSP played out.

>>377574748
sure anon, good luck making a something portable better than switch with the same battery life or that would burst in fire

>>377577383
You do you mean about the PSP?

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>>377577228

>>377577732
Look it up. Ocarina of Time came out a year after tomb raider.

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>>377577959

>>377578032
When you have no facts you just post images.

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>>377578087

>>377578105
Yet I still have you posting.

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>>377578167
Right back at you buddy

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>>377578228
Just for you.

>>377578364
Sony copies Nintendo again
>>377573608

>>377565987
why does my sister have a playstation move controller if we don't have a playstation console?

>>377571237
>>Physical backwards compatibility
sure, anon. enjoy having a BD on a moving device, what could possible go wrong?

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>>377578518
It's too bad both nintendo and sony copied microsoft with paid online.

>>377564520
No. That sounds stupid as fuck. If they want to do that, just make a sequel to the Vita, and do it right this time.

>>377578687
It just means that I don't play online. Which is fine, I haven't played online since Journey on the PS3, and before that, not since Warhawk.

Why can't Sony just stop with the handheld stuff? Sony is such an innovative company that people were seriously intimidated when the Vita came out because of how revolutionary it was as a handheld. People didn't want to step out of their comfort zone, so they decided to stick with the 140p 3DS instead of the full HD Vita.

>>377578687
Microsoft copied online on a console from Sega

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>>377578863
They didn't have a online fee ontop of you isp. That was all microsoft. But yeah dreamcast really was innovative.

>>377578792
Still a dick move on their part.

>>377579062
>Still a dick move on their part.
No arguments there.

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Reminder that Sony branding specifically is made to give off an impression of luxury and of making the owner elite and exclusive, which is why the brand specifically appeals to poor people and people with low self esteem.

>>377565567
compared to homeconsoles: no
compared to other handhelds: yes

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>>377579437

>>377578792

I read not all games will need to be under the paid online sub fee. If that's true, then Nintendo isn't really doing anything out of their realm.

I doubt they'll do anything that hurts game freak

>>377566929
>PSVR is the best selling VR headset on the market, beating out the Rift and Vibe.
compared to them, the PSVR is cheaper

>>377564520
What i would buy is 3DS with 300PPI screens and no 3D

>>377574748
And what exactly would you niggers even play on it? If the vita is any indication of it, then this thing would have no games. Sony never develops good games for its portable devices. They thrive on web shit or like the vita, on indie games.

>>377579437
Not really. It's designed to invoke a feeling of calm and hi-tech futuristic hardware.

That's why it heavily features the colour blue, which is known to have a calming effect and commonly uses glossy effects and synthetic sounds in the advertising. It's basically designed to make people feel at ease and confident that the product they're buying is hi-tech.

If they wanted to give off a feeling of luxury they would use a royal purple and some slight gold touches in their branding combined with orchestral sounds and warm lighting effects to give off a sense of class and comfort.

I work in advertising as an adviser on psychological branding tactics so I kinda know how this stuff works.

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>>377579437
I would have bought that for the launch PS3, but I don't think that regarding any of the other PS3s or PS4s (at least the stock PS4 models - some Special Edition consoles look luxurious).

>>377568484
the Vita is still strong (in japan)

>>377579940
>royal purple
>gold
>orchestral sounds
you just described a nigger product. Real luxury stuff has none of that.

>>377579940
Yeah well I'm a superior psychological marketing exec. And I say you're wrong.
There, I've stated my qualification on an anonymous forum, so that legitimises my point of view regardless of whether or not I provide evidence.

No, but even though that image is probably a mock-up its way better designed than the Switch. They just need to moves the buttons a little because you wouldnt be able to hit them without the stick blocking you. Just need to shift the stick to the left.

>>377574553
PS3 didn't mitigate anything, it's still billions in the red to this day. The WiiU scrape out a tiny profit.

>>377577101
>Also Nintendo has everyone's childhood hostage
what about the people who grew up with PS1/2?

>>377580370
>PS3 didn't mitigate anything, it's still billions in the red to this day.

Really? Got a current source for that because that sounds incorrect.

>>377564520
Sony neither has honor nor integrity

>>377580370
>Sold over 80 million consoles, the vast majority of which were the much cheaper to produce Slim and Super Slim
>Still didn't produce a profit, and is actually billions in the red.
I'd be interested in a source on that. Doesn't sound credible. If you can't turn a profit by selling 80 million of something, that's bad management, and not at all the fault of the console.

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>>377571658
>Full size CD/DVD/BD drive
>In a handheld console

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>>377580537
>>377580646
Just look at that gap, if you want you can do the math yourself. You can see it go into a yearly profit and then drop off as the PS4 releases, but that profit is nothing compared to the massive drop at the start of the PS3.
Sony makes most of their money from royalty fees, that is ~$7 per game. They sold about 10 games per console. They started selling the PS3 for a $250-$300 loss. There is just no way to break even with that business model. The PS3 was a sacrifice to get Blu-ray into households.

>>377568457
I fucking hate Nintendo but this image is pretty pathetic to be desu

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>>377571620
1 2 switch CHECKMATE BITCHESSSSS

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>>377566453
>>377570062
>mfw the pstv is my only console and they're removing ps now in 2 months

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>>377570536
They are doing it because people are interested in a switch like device. You make products that people are attracted to buy you dumb nigger. Nintendo is an influencer when it comes to innovation it can be good and bad.

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IT'S OKAY WHEN SONY DOES IT

>>377580876
I'm having difficulty reading it because its a fucking gif. Also, no actual source was given on this graph.

No because it would either be sold as a shit accessory like every time sony tries to copy the gimmicks from nintendo or it would be ridiculously expensive because they would never release a console and not make it stupidily overpowered

>>377580646
It more than likely ain't billions in the red.
But it didn't make a profit.
The price to produce the initial PS3 far out weighed the price they sold it at. The slim and the super slip were sold at a premium but that was years after the original was selling.

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>PS4 pro flopped
>VR flopped
>Sony is literally on the edge of bankrupcy and they are gonna kill off all consumer confidence in the playstation brand by half heartedly ripping off Nintendo again
Stupid fucking gooks. They were doomed the moment they moved their main HQ to Redmond

>>377573354
first post most reasonable post

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>>377565987
That's a dildo.

>>377580041
It's still trucking but it's definitely slowing down very quickly now.
Sales are down over 50% year to date compared to last year, weekly sales are now in the 5k range, PS4/Vita multiplats have been using the PS4 version as the lead leaving the Vita versions to have performance issues, and multiplat sales have been favoring the PS4 version when before the Vita version would get the lion's share of the sales (likely in part due to the previous point).

>>377580978
Realistically only the form factor would be influenced by Nintendo. Sony was already doing this kind of shit on PSP, and even more so on Vita. By all accounts this thing that's been floated around is probably PSP3 as well.

>>377581198
PSP/Vita looks more influenced by the Game Gear than anything Nintendo made.

>>377578364
The difference is the right column isn't shit.

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>>377581069
>VR flopped

With all the bs hype and then the final product. There was no way it was ever going to be successful.

Is this really coming out? Clever business move from sony I guess, but no i'm not getting it.

>>377581274
No wonder why it flopped

>>377581069
I always hear that PS4pro flopped, but I never see any real evidence for that

>>377581274
PSP was more like a gameboy advance with a widescreen and PS1 equivalent graphics.

No because it was retarded when nintendo did it.

>>377581359
Don't think the PSP flopped.

>>377581397
Forgot that the GBA came out like that. I only ever remember the GBA SP, or whatever. The one that folded shut.

>>377581286
VR was always a shitty novelty gimmick that lived only by stupid hype from neckbeards stucked on the 90s

>>377564520
I guess this is why Nintendo kept it a secret for so long

>>377581450
The vita surely did

>>377581390
Devs aren't making specific patches for the PS4 Pro since Sony introduced boost mode.

So all the benefits of having a PS4 pro is just a boost mode.

>>377578591
your sister is hidding the ps3 from you, and only letting the move to shove it in your faggot ass while she plays.

>>377565728
>phone games
>lucrative
The only way for phone games to make a profit if if they are made by some autist in his garage with the help of his two trannies fuckbuddies.
A serious company can't do shit on a serious level or flux with phones.

>>377581510
Ok. But the PSP didn't, and that came first, which means the shape of the handheld didn't have anything to do with the Vita's failure.

If you're trying to bait me into defending the vita, you're not going to get me to. I just believe the shape itself didn't contribute to its failure.

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>>377581069
>>377581286
Are you niggers pretending to be retarded? PSVR is the only VR anything to be successful.

http://bgr.com/2017/02/27/psvr-sales-shock-sony/
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/psvr-sales-figures-oculus-rift-vive

>>377564520
No lol

Mobile is cancer, give me a more powerful PS4 that can run all games at 60 fps please

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>>377564520
Sony does what nintendid.
What a surprise.

>>377581618
I think that's about 2-3 years away, and will be called the PS5. Seeing as how the PS4 is so much like a PC, I can't imagine that they won't build BC into every console from the PS4 onward.

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>>377581615
>see this huge pile of shit? Well all of it is horse shit, except for that pile of dog shit over there. That's obviously better.

>>377581615
And judging by how small it is considering some retards were acting as if VR would take over and become the new standard it just shows how much VR failed

>>377564716
>A universally compatible platform
>PC
haha no

enjoy your nvidia/amd vendor lockin features, microshit/directx monopoly, always-online DRM and compatibility issues with every setup that isn't identicaly to what the developer was using

PC is just another console these days

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>>377581069
SEETHING

>>377581615
... Do the lights do anything at all ?

>>377581278
That's way accurate than saying nintendo came up with those ideas.

>>377581702
Yeah. I'm seething that I bought a PS4 and I'm gonna watch the company that made it commit suicide publicly

>>377581689
Literally everything of these issues are fixed by downloading the pirated version of the game.
Download, install, boot up, worry free.

You sometimes even get free dolphin porn.

>>377581615
>make comfortable headset
>release actual games for it
>sell it for half the price
>it dominates the market
really makes you ponder

>>377581770
>Literally everything of these issues are fixed by downloading the pirated version of the game.
If by “literally everything” you meant “exactly one”, sure. And enjoy waiting 1-2 years for the crack.

>>377581527
That doesn't make it a flop

>>377581770
Your solution to the game industry is to focus on a platform where the only way to proper enjoy the games is by not buying them?

>>377581883
It kinda does considering they refuse to publish sales numbers for it, only lumping it in with base PS4

>>377581827
Literally never happens.
Even denuvo these day is getting fucked in hours.

>>377581704
the lights are needed, so the camera can track them

>>377581945
I'll grant you that it doesn't take years, but the tears of frustration were plenty, regarding NieR Automata. Took weeks to crack.

>>377581945
>in hours.
Now that's just blatant misinformation. The most recent game to get cracked, NieR Automata, needed around 1-2 months.

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>>377581679
Did I tickle your autism a little bit? Here's some more.

>30 Million Americans Plan To Buy Sony’s PSVR According To Nielsen Report

https://uploadvr.com/samsungs-gear-vr-recognized-vr-device-america-according-nielsen/

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>>377581898
What ?
No, no i don't care about the game industry, i only want free shit.
I just wanted to point out not only is it free, it's ONLY more convenient.

It is was less convenient i'd still pirate though, of course :^)

>>377580537
>>377580646
you have no idea how much money Sony lost in PS3, between servers, the 200$ prices cut and shit PS lost about 7 Billions by 2012, BILLIONS

>>377581945
>Literally never happens.
Just Cause 3 was released in 2015 and cracked in 2017.

I'm starting to get the impression you have literally no clue what you're talking about.

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>>377582091
>30 million people are considering buying a thing
>considering
Considering most studios are dropping VR development, I'd say you should consider suicide.

>>377582091
Not him, but I wonder why. I have zero interest in VR.

>>377581937
That's not even whats being discussed.

Besides, Sony isn't the only one that does this. Nintendo does it as well calling it the 3DS Family. Just makes it easier to make a report.

>>377582130
We're talking about video games, not interactive movies.

>>377582209
>PS4 pro is a flop
>why
>it's not selling good
>that's not what we are talking about
You retarded?

>>377582184
>>377582091
I was considering buying a PSVR for Summer Lesson + PC stuff (e.g. porn), but I don't really want to buy first gen. Waiting for at least second gen, especially because the PSVR has some pretty shit tracking compared to e.g. the vive.

>>377582293
Just wait some years until the fad dies and you can buy one for 20 bucks

>>377582176
I consider you to be right.

>>377582209
>Nintendo does it as well calling it the 3DS Family. Just makes it easier to make a report.
>Nintendo breaks down 3DS sales by USK in their reports every quaters
get the sony dick out of your mouth, Sony has always lumped "Console sales" and "hardware sales" together to hide individual values

same as when they didnt disclose VITA sale but rather lumped it with PSP sales to hide VITA sales

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>>377565567
>Wii U games running at 1080p 60FPS
>not strong

>>377564520
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHA

no

>>377567039
>no games
It just released a big one last week, and its launch had a ton of exclusive stuff that put the other headsets to shame, and it also gets all the big multiplats. It's still part of a niche market, but it's leading the pack in that market.
>I expect to hear no new VR games this E3.
There are plenty still in development, like Gran Turismo, Ace Combat and so on.

>>377582393
>1080p 60fps
My 20-year old toaster can run games at 1080p 60 fps too; if the graphics are shit eough.

>>377574214
>literally just a screen half inch from your eye
Just like all VR then?

>>377582393
well yeah, you are talking about WiiU games, and so far, I only know one WiiU game, which runs at 1080p and 60fps on the Switch

>>377582370
They lumped PS3 in with PS2 to hide those numbers too so it's just Sony tradition.

>>377582467
He's talking about Mario Kart which was 720p 60fps on Wii U and 1080p 60fps on switch.

>>377581770
>even get free dolphin porn.

I'm switching to pc now.

>>377564520
If it had Miku then I'd buy it. With Puyo Puyo too? Instant buy for me.

>>377581827
>enjoy waiting 1-2 years for the crack
Jesus, educate yourself anon.

>>377582803
This, the only people that think niggers are people or jews shouldn't be exterminated are ignorant savages.

>>377574932
A chip that not even nvidia use.

>>377582286
Not that anon but the discussion was about lack of dev patches being evidence that the PS4 Pro was flopping, sales numbers weren't being discussed.

>>377582467
>favourite genre is grand start
>only have 2gb RAM
#ToasterLyfe

>>377569997
Not him, but he brings up an actual point. Soby needs to support their hardware for people to care. I know this is subjective towards me, but i had two friends that were considering getting a vita but they ended up not getting one because they read the article of Sony dropping support for the vita. Yes, i know games continued coming out for it but consumers lose faith in hardware once the supporter loses faith as well.

>>377566465
2 years if you include vita ports

>>377583029
>Yes, i know games continued coming out for it
niche japanese games kept coming out for it. That stuff doesn't exactly have a broad appeal.

>>377580142
Yes, as was described previously, a brand that specifically appeals to poor people and people with low self esteem"

>'GIMMICK WAGGLAN BULLSHIT NINTENDO IS FINISHED'
>Sony and Microsoft recognize Nintendo's innovation and helplessly follow in their wake
>repeat

>>377583226
Exactly, even though i enjoy some weeb games it wasnt enough to convince my other friends to get one. It doesn't need "lol fps cod" type games, but it does need some unique fun IP's to play. If they do make a new i really hope there is a lot of suport to it, if not it'll be another Vita (sorry if my posts dont make too much sense since i have been drinking, but i do enjoy the actual conversation and not shit posts).

>>377564520
Sony isn't interested in handhelds anymore, it won't ever happen. Plus, they've already burnt all their bridges with third parties with the Vita.

>>377583686
> they've already burnt all their bridges with third parties with the Vita.
How?

>>377583441
>make a tablet in a market full of tablets
>claim Nintendo is innovative after making a tablt in a market full of tablets

>>377583686
>they've already burnt all their bridges with third parties with the Vita.

Source: My butt hole

There's more support for Sony than there is Nintendo.

>>377564520
I wouldn't even buy a Nintendo switch, lmao. Why would I want to buy sonyshit?

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>>377583882
>There's more support for Sony than there is Nintendo.
Enjoying those loli rape games, are we?

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>>377584075
>r*ddit

>>377584075
Are you completely ignoring everything on the PS4?

>>377584147
Why would developers support a hybrid or a handheld when Switch already exists? Besides, Sony has other shit to support, like blurays.

>>377584367
Why would anyone support the playstation when the saturn and n64 are right around the corner? Hell, why did the PSP have such diverse support? I like how you completely sidestepped this bit though
>they've already burnt all their bridges with third parties with the Vita.

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>>377584549
Let's see, Sony didn't market it, they completely abandoned it once they realized it was a flop and then they ignored it for years.

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Oh no, Sony, don't do yourselves like this. For your sake, let's hope that you don't make this your main console, because literally nobody will buy it. Oh fuck, Sony's done if they do this. Sony fanboys won't buy it because it's not their cup of tea, they'll likely move to Scorpio, and whoever's left will just get a Switch. Oh man, Sony, why? Why you gotta do this?

Well, fuck, Microsoft Vs. Nintendo it is, I guess.

>>377583441
wagglan is a gimmick.

>>377581689
Other than incompatible hardware current gen consoles have all of the problems you've listed.
Your point being?

>>377584894
>Your point being?
>PC is just another console these days

>>377575893
>affordable and appealing
That's the problem, fundamentally. Sony likes to wave its specs dick around in both the living room and the handheld consoles these days, which means it's going to cost more to make. That's just their brand recognition: slick consoles. You make it on par with the Switch, and people will look askance. And why would devs prefer it in that case? Then the only way to make it competitive with the Switch is to just eat the loss with each unit sold and try to make it up on software sales. You could make the same thing and sell if for less, but then you're still eating that loss anyway.

That's not going to be an attractive prospect in the board room coming off the Vita. And even then you're going to want a strong launch showing. Sony's doing well in their games division now, but completely dropping the Vita and leaving smaller Japanese devs to support it limping to the finish line doesn't make a strong case of them being willing to put in the effort for it.

It's almost the reverse situation from Nintendo. Nintendo makes consoles to sell their games on primarily. Sony makes consoles primarily and for other people to make games on. Then make their own first party more as a secondary prospect to keep their brand alive. People don't buy Sony consoles for Sony games, there's no sales numbers to support such an interpretation for the PS4 or Vita. Some individuals do, but the vast majority simply don't. So Sony relies on the third parties to support the platform to keep units moving.

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I'll add something that I know. Production is starting for a "new game console" in a new Sony manufacturing facility in Japan.

http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/20012679.html

>>377585180
Why would devs even side with the Switch in the first place?

>>377564520
No. It's fucking stupid, and you just know they're going to make Monster Hunter 5 an exclusive for the stupid piece of shit.

Why would I want to separate controllers? Why would I want the controllers to also be separate from the screen of my handheld? It doesn't make sense.

maybe idk

>>377585283
Because it has an actual install base, even having to compete with Nintendo doesn't sour that. The Vita found a niche in being the home for literal shovelware, but that's not something Sony would want.

>>377585445
Hmmm... a Vita 2 with no Vita-like games. If you say so Mr Sony.

>>377585319
Well in the case of a stick or button going bad in a handheld after warranty, being able to replace just that controller is much cheaper than paying for repairs or buying a new handheld.

>>377564852
>Switch but with actual third party games and fantastic Sony exclusive IPs, as well as no useless Ninten Drone gimmicks.

Indeed, it is quite a great deal!

>>377585180
Wasn't the plan for the Vita that the memory cards woud make up for selling the handheld at a loss?

>>377585564
I understand what you're saying, but that has never ever happened to me before. I'd rather take my chances on a single unit and relying on the manufacturer's warranty if a button or something breaks. I don't need two stupid gimmicky waggle wands.

All I fucking want is MoHun on a regular fucking console without any stupid fucking gimmicks. But no. Something must be wrong with my money, because Capcom obviously doesn't want it.

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>>377585445
The irony.

You mean a playstation vita that actually comes with the cable that connects it to a TV?

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>>377585767
But the PSP does that

>>377585735
Monster Hunter is not coming to regular consoles because consoles sell less than handhelds in Japan, and Japan makes up about 75% of sales for the series.

>>377585836
Guess sony copied the switch during early development stages.

>Switch is annonced
>WTF WHO IS THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS NOBODY WANTS THIS SHIT LMAO>
>rumor of Sony Switch emerges
>DUDE IT'S PERFECT I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY ON THIS
Is there anyone more hypocritical than Sony fanboys?

>>377585751
How can you have fun with a game when you don't know that millions were sunk into it? That's ridiculous, I'll be playing CoD 35 thank you very much.

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>>377585879
yeah wtf sony

>>377564520
>Sony is ripping Nintendo off YET AGAIN
Can't make this shit up.

>>377564520
>psp had no games
>vita had no games
what makes you think this would be any different? sony needs to stay out of portable gaming. between nintendo and mobile shit, there's no place for them in the market.

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>>377585896
You think Nintendo got it bad?

Razer was laughed out of the room when they came up with this shit years ago.

>>377585967
>need to buy a PS3 to register controller with PSP
Why?

>>377585283
The only reason to make games for a console, as related in this thread already, is either it has units in player hands or you strongly believe it will do so. The bigger your game, and thus your budget, the higher those real or expected numbers need to be in order to justify development.

There are essentially three situations:

>Sony makes a unit on par with the Switch and sells it for about the same
You then have them competing at the same spec and price points, so you need to heavily market it as, some how, being better. So you need developers and your own first party. But developers just saw how Sony treated its last handheld and its own first party line up is not so great to move units. You need to convince them, probably monetarily, to give it that big initial push on top of your own internal spending to push it.

>Sony makes a unit on par with the Switch and sells it for less
Great, people are likely to buy the same thing but cheaper and Sony does have the brand quality thing going for it. But then you have to convince the board to okay selling it for a loss and that's going to be a hard sell. Not to mention you still need to convince devs you're going to be totally selling a lot of units. You need big names on this and it's not going to be better tech than the Switch either.

>Sony makes a unit better than the Switch, sells it for the same
Selling it for less would be too big a loss to consider, and selling it for more would kill it. So there's going to be a loss there, and then there's the problem of now it's the same price as the Switch. Are people going to buy it even if it's better? Not to mention you still have the needing devs on board problem.

The main thing it comes down to is this: is Sony going to dump the money on it that it needs to succeed? They didn't with the Vita, have they really changed their attitude enough to do so now? The PS4 dominating the home scene isn't likely to engender a change in philosophy.

>>377586067
That's what they get for blatantly copying nintendo.

>>377586081
You don't actually need to

>>377586067
Razer and co tried to pull
>ITS A GAMING PC ON THE GO

when everyone know a mobile device cant handle power other than killing battery

Nintendo found the best possible balance point between Battery, Power Output and Price. add in Nintendo own ips and the appeal increase.

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>>377586040
>psp had no games
>vita had no games

>>377585691
Didn't work out to well there, did it? I guess it came at a weird time in between the shift from old school proprietary memory cards to modern universal SD cards. But it still came out well enough into the internal harddrive/usb port/SD card era to be a big fucking blunder.

Think about it: even fucking Nintendo went with SD cards at that point.

>>377586193
Then why would they say that?

>>377566330
>come in from /wsg/ after watching some vids
>this post goes unanswered in the entire thread

Why the fuck did you faggots let this post get away with a naive as shit thing

>>377586149
>You need to convince them, probably monetarily
What? Publishers pay console makers royalty to publish their games on said consoles. It doesn't work the other way around else Sony wouldn't make all those profits every year.

Anyway it will work the same way it has been working for the last 20 years, Sony people will buy the Sony consoles and Nintendo people will buy the Nintendo consoles. Open your eyes.

>>377566060
PS4 released at the end of 2013, BB came out in March 2015, how is that 3 years?

>>377586185
This was about 7 years before the Switch

>>377566465
One year.

>>377586278
No idea. I presume it's the "official" pairing and not just the generic bluetooth controller pairing.

>>377586264
Nintendo was using SD cards since the Wii and they stuck with it despite the piracy it enabled.

>>377586362
Nice try using that morphogenetic field nintendo you can't fool me

>>377586362
The switch has been in the making for longer than 7 years.

>>377568478
Yes, Move came before Wiimote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSzmRt7HhQ

>>377575008
>Micro$soft

Why do you bother typing this?

>>377586445
And this was in development years before it was shown off too.

>>377586149
Sony is also sort of in a problem where they wouldn't be able to port their PS4 games like Nintendo did with Wii U games because they'd just look bad on a device much weaker than the PS4.

>>377585914
I can have fun with all of them on my PC with whatever controller I want to use, better resolution and framerate.

Switch has zero games and BOTW plays best in CEMU at 4K.

>>377584725
Yet you completely ignore how they still have massive third party support on the ps4. Do you enjoy talking in circles autismo?

>>377575893
The Vita was the same price as the 3DS.