>company tries to replace their main character >flops Why

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Ryu may be the mascot, but he's never been the main character.

SF2 was about Guile/Chun tracking down M. Bison while Ryu fucked around, SF3 was about Alex facing Gill while Chun chased Urien over some kidnapping thing, SF4 was about Abel figuring out his connection to Seth, and 5 was just Karin fanfiction. His entire existence is just to fight dudes on the sides while other characters do the important stuff.

>>377558315
Had more to do with onky few returing characters.

Same goes for sf5.

Sf4 made dimes with nostgalia.

>>377558315
I want to be fucked by Alex.

>>377558701
>Sagat will never get his own game

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>>377558315
Did mgs2 do well with this sissy boy when it first released?

>>377558814

This would actually be an interesting story

>be renowned muay thai fighter
>take on just about every opponent with aplomb
>fight against some rando jap who people say is good
>lose purely because of a cheap shot after the bell
>eventually train a new acolyte in your ways
>he becomes too hotheaded and must be dealt with

>>377559027

God no, the sheer wave of anger over Raiden's reveal was heard across the globe. Most people bought the game after playing the demo, which was practically Brutal Legend-tier misleading, and then dialed in to call out Kojima for the bait-and-switch.

>>377559196
Don't know anything about Brutal Legend. How was it misleading?

>>377558315
But Ryu was in SF3.

Alex is cool as fuck though

Alex > Ryu

>>377558701
Ryu does have his pretty significant arc with Akuma, though.

>>377559525

The demo for Brutal Legend had the game slated as a Zelda-esque hack'n'slash game with some driving portions. The actual game is at least 50% RTS-lite battles that played a lot like an old game called Sacrifice, but the actual mechanics sucked on a controller (BL didn't get a PC release until like 2014-15).

>>377558393
those fucking ads disgust me

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I wish I could fucking murder the faggots that make this fucking bait

>>377558701
If you want to argue that someone else is the main character of SFV besides Ryu that should be Rashid, but Ryu being the one who actually defeat Bison position him as the main character

>>377559196
Damn shame people didnt like Raiden, but at least him and Pliskin were in a good game

>>377559969
which is bullshit because Ryu is absent for 80% of the story doing fuck all.

>>377560089
Ryu defeating Bison and finally getting a hold of the whole Satsui no Hadou is the best thing that has happened to Street Fighter's story

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>>377560089
>game hypes of necalli to the high heavens
>supposed to be Aztec warrior devouring the souls of Ryu, bison, and Dhalsim
>only appears twice in the hours long storymode to just growl and get defeated by Ryu with butterfly hadouken
I will never forgive them for this

>>377560286
Obviously he can't consume Ryu or Akuma, and eating Bison would be seen as a cop-out when like 6 different characters have beef with him as their main drive.

>>377560435
Im fine with him not eating Ryu or Akuma since they are the faces of Street fighter and it would mess with the SF timeline but jesus have him do SOMETHING in the storymode. He showed up 2 times and does jack shit.
Also Nash basically getting BTFO hurt a bit also

>>377560212
Ryu and Bison didn't have shit to do with each other at this point. It should have ended with Charlie's kamikaze killing them both.

Ok let's try to resume this:
>sf1
ryu beats sagat
>alpha 2
charlie dies? ryu meets akuma, loses to ken
>alpha 3
someone beats bison (ryu?)
>sf2
akuma kills bison
>sf4
seth gets bodied (ryu?)
>sf5
bison dies yet again
>sf3
alex beats gill, loses to ryu

Anything to add or change?

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>>377558315
Alex is dope.
Fuck what people think. He's literally the best think to happen to street fighter in years

>>377559672
Ryu needs to step aside.
Besides it was posted earlier, he was never the main character and hasn't been for awhile

Even if he was, his story is still the same

>>377560734
the dolls broke free of Bison's mind control and collectively defeated Bison in Alpha 3.

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>>377559694
>>377559771
Y'all my niggas

>>377560969
>11/12 of them end back up with Shadaloo anyway
Capcom was a mistake

>>377560969
>>377561121
I don't recall this. Which ending?

>>377560734
>alpha series
Chun Li beats Bison in alpha 3
Ryu gets has an internal battle with the hado

>SF4
Abel takes out the real Seth.
He rest of the cast fights all the clones. Meanwhile Ryu gets his ass kicked by Akuma. Gouken then battles Akuma for possession of Ryu

>SF3
Alex beats Gill and just goes on to fight ryu. It's never specified who wins or loses

>>377558315
>company refuses to change character clothing and themes in order to not tamper with their iconic attributes
>at best, much like the theme songs the costumes just become more detailed and ornate having a slight spin on the original, but never is the original outright swapped for something new in a main title

I'm practically fucking sick of Ryu's theme and most things that have stagnated since SF2.

>>377558814
First game was about Sagat learning how to deal with loss

>>377561242
doesnt ryu goes out to train with the perverted old brazilian dude?

>>377558701
>>377558814
>>377561567
Thats a nice opinion but the main character of the majority of the games is Honda and his quest to prove Sumo is the strongest game.

Thats why games like SF3 and SFV where Honda aren't playable are the biggest financial flops

>>377561440
Ryu has a different theme in Alpha 3, Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter, two in III, and EX.
MVC1 doesn't count because arrangement of existing title theme from SFII.

>>377561440
>Ryu has to be in every goddamn Capcom game in order to sell

It would be nice if he was an unlockable at least, but fuck I'm surprised the dude's not in RE, Ace Attorney, and what not

Literally been shoved down our throats

>>377561725
>capcom is saving honda for the last reveal with blanka


>they release both of then as free DLC

>sfv becomes the best selling this gen

>>377561836
>next year is all sf2 veterans
as bland as it sounds, that would probably make the game sells more.

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>>377561643
Yeah, you right! which is why I think SF3 is a mix of endings

Dudley gets his car back etc
Akuma gets stronger
Alex beats Gill but tries to find ryu and doesn't

Ryu gets his ass beat by Oro then decides to go MIA and train with Oro.

I don't think he ever fights Alex

>>377561214
You know what, I don't actually know where the whole story for Alpha 3 comes from, but I read it on the SFwiki. It makes sense from what I read, though.

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>>377559917
>mfw live in a town of 2,000 that I was raised in
>the ads tell me there are women I don't know who are DTF

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>>377561725
>Dosukoi intensifies

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>>377558315
>the same company tries to replace their main character
>it's the best selling game in the series

>>377561440
I actually fucking love Ryu and it makes sense that he'd be pushed as hard as he is.

My issue is that Capcom always just gives us remixes of his SF2 theme. I don't even like it that much. He desperately needs something new and badass, like his EX theme.

I wouldn't mind if they gave him a new design or something either. "Homeless" Ryu in V was a great outfit. Just give him something new and different that recycles critical elements of his classic design.

>>377560286
It's obvious Necalli and the Satsui No Hado were meant to be far more important, and the story was meant to be longer. Capcom probably wanted it released before 2019 so they said fuck it.

They even promised the story was 10 hours long and it was like 6 at release.

>>377562147

Kinda helped that said game also launched on 3 platforms simultaneously, rather than staying exclusive.

>>377562147
>reboot the series immediately afterwards

>>377562147
>also the previous character is playable with his own moveset

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>>377561440
I'm still pissed that Ryu and Chun's Battle Costumes weren't the defaults. Why did every character get redesigned except Ryu, Chun-li, and strangely Zangief?

>>377561768
>in a main title

Alpha 3, NG/SI and 3S are the only 3 times in a canon SF game where the theme has been something different. As a side note, I feel like the reason why I even like EX's OST as much as I do is heavily centered around the fact that they tried something different in the theme department. Well that, Before Moon, and Strange Sunset.

>>377562171
>My issue is that Capcom always just gives us remixes of his SF2 theme. I don't even like it that much. He desperately needs something new and badass, like his EX theme.

You get it.

>>377562306
Zangief is a perfect design

>>377562254
I will never understand what they were thinking

>>377562308
Music is an aspect of a character. This is why character endings/win themes/etc usually retain elements of that character's theme, and they are retained across games. To change that is to essentially say that the character is fundamentally different from the previous versions.

>>377562308
>You get it.
My nigga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozHniUTpBgo

Honestly, in my mind, this sums up Ryu's character way better than his SF2 theme, along with being way better by itself and doing a good job at psyching the listener up. Really sounds like a fierce, badass battle where Ryu, and thus the player, is pushing themselves to their absolute limits in an attempt to improve themselves as competitive fighters.

>>377562556
Capcom is retarded.

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>>377558315
Literally everyone liked and likes Alex except maybe Ono.

Here's what actually happened.
>refuse to release any console ports
>finally do it on second impact, however, ONLY ON FUCKING DREAMCAST
>same with third strike
>focus on arcades which are basically dead everywhere but japan
>on top of this, the board needed for sf3 was super expensive due to the graphical advancements on the sprites
>no one wanted to invest on the dying breed that was arcades
>release third strike on another console after years
>but it's only in fucking japan, the one place where the game is thriving
>by the time the US could play it on an actual console sf4 was already in the talks and rumors
>decades later, japan still regularly plays the game because it was the one place where you could actually play it

This is what happened, 2017 tier capcom decisions but in the 90s.

>>377562734
this the entire sf3 saga was self sabotage
just like sfv

>>377562734
SFV didn't had an arcade version first
SFV had season passes that are practically a gamble
SFV had rootkits
You're fucking stupid to think 3rd Strike did the same mistakes as SFV

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>>377562556
Because:
>Even thought DMC4 sold the most in the series (~3 mil) they expected it to sell 5 mil
>they thought they needed to make DMC more "western" in order to get more western fans
>Inafune's hateboner for Japanese devs and the Japanese
http://gematsu.com/2010/09/inafune-devil-may-cry-5-to-have-a-western-touch

>>377562948
There was a long line of new snk Kof games while nothing for street fighter but remakes.

They got lucky with sf4.

>>377562948
Of course not literally nigga, how the fuck would third strike have season passes.
But on both cases, it was horrible planning while being absolutely blind to the world and the industry at the time, completely ignoring what worked.
However, unlike sf3 it looks like sfv won't grow at all and it will just stay the same boring shit.

And if you want to be anal about it, only people that didn't actually played the games or know shit about those times call the entire thing 3rd strike, there were 3 games and the issues started on the first one.

>>377562734
>ONLY ON FUCKING DREAMCAST
Don't tell me you think a PS1 port of SF3 would've been anything but hot garbage. All the other fighting games Capcom ported to PS1 ran like complete shit, and those were CPS2. Imagine the console trying to run a CPS3 game.

>>377562734
>>377562901
>>377562948
What Capcom actually should've done is delay the development and release of SF3 until the launch of PS2. Let the Alpha series and MvC cover the arcade front, then release SF3 with the roster of 3rd Strike with a few more classic characters on top of it. Still probably would've underperformed due to the 3D craze, but the game overall would've had a much stronger legacy.

>>377562660
I would be willing to accept this if it werent for the fact that Ryu as of SF3's time has overcome a lot about himself that were a problem for him in SF2, such as becoming more adept with his Hadou and casting out the Satsui no Hado in him.

SF3, the same entries that gave us Good Fighter and KOBU for his theme, and not his famous SF2 tune.

>>377562685
What also gets me upset is that when Capcom tries something different with Ryu's theme, it has always stuck the landing. THE ROAD from Alpha 3 can be easily seen as the brashness, intrigue, and tenacity he's had in his youth with mastering his fighting style, where KOBU and Good Fighter show a more calmer and fulfilled side to his endeavor, while still hinting at the fact that its not the end of his journey.

Hell, even Rising Dragoon could be argued to show an eager side of him.

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>>377558315
Because they are fucking retarded. The fact that 343 didn't learn shit from the Halo 2 backlash makes me question them and Microsoft.

>>377560734
>akuma kills bison
I never 7understand why he keeps the dolls around and makes extra clones to use as spare bodies to reincarnate himself into when he just takes the same dictator form every time he comes back. I understand its because If Bison's appearance changed in a major way there would be riots because he goes way back, but there's still a disconnect story-wise

>>377558315
>create a well grounded character that is perfect for new players
>create a KoF character in a street fighter game
You can't teach shitters properly by giving them seth instead of ryu

>>377562147
I'm not ashamed to admit I loved this game

>>377563782
There's absolutely nothing wrong with liking DMC4

>>377558315
>tfw no alex bf

>>377559196
>Brutal Legend-tier misleading
But the gameplay is exactly the same in the MGS2 case. It's nowhere near as bad as Brutal Legend in that regard.

>>377562734
Don't act like replacing most of the cast wasn't a big factor. Outside of SF2, the best selling Capcom fighters have been ones than feature a large chunk of the SF2 cast. Even Alpha 3, where they focused heavily on bringing back SF2 characters that were missing form 1 and 2, sold more than the previous 2.

>>377560286
I'm fairly certain that the writers were told to chane the focus of the story from Necalli to Bison cause "It's his last hurrah" and just had 0 idea what to do with Necalli and Nash. Nash's fucking win quote against Guile has more character than what he had in the story.

>>377563164
I hate how much Capcom constantly overestimates their sales. Same thing happened with Darkstalkers and now SFV.

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>>377565315
And the Darkstalkers thing wasn't even a new game. It was a damn port. Of games that had already been ported several times over several generation. But it still needed to sell a buttload of copies for some reason. What the fuck.

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>>377564582
what would you do with him

>>377565710
wrassle

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>>377565839
But he would obviously win anon, unless he has some sort of weakness like a sensitive part of his body.

>>377561725

It's true. Note how SFxT didn't have Honda? It's a sign.

>>377566816
It checks out

>>377565710
Buff him out of bottom 3 because Capcom won't.

>>377565710
>>377567701
specifically give him his spiral as an air to air command grab a la borscht dynamite

>>377558315
I fucking loved alex as the main character of 3.

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>>377569639
rawr