Why does everyone on /v/ suck this game's dick so much?

The game is comfy and the music is top tier.

>>377553939
So... yes its just because its a Final Fantasy game. I figured, and thats fine. But touting it as the best MMO on the market is misleading.

>>377553872
>Is it just because of the franchise?
Yes

>>377554053
Well the issue is, it actually is the best on the market. It's shitty. But everything else is even shittier.

>>377553872
>Why is a fun videogame fun

Honestly as much RNG and crap from D3 that was thrown into legion I'd say FFXIV is the only MMO left since WoW is just a shitty wannabe ARPG atm.>>377554958

>>377554053
What is the best mmo on the market then?

I don't play MMOs, I play single-player JRPGs, and that's why I loved FFXIV. I had so much fun for hundreds of hours and the story was entertaining for me as well.

>>377553872
>literally just WoW with chocobos

So 10 billion times better? WoW visuals are trash.

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Gentlemen how do we stop SCH?

>>377555131
>>377555037
TESO or Rift.

>>377553872
Fuck off back to /vg/ OP.

There are enough shills here. Don't need a false flag to make a new thread just to have /vg/ flood another thread.

>>377553872
People like the graphics and music. Turns out, that's all that required to make dullards think something is good.

>>377555234
autokick all sch

>>377555265
t. Never played through FFXIV

>>377553872
are you actually this retarded cuz it sounds like you played for 5 mins and said nope and dont have an argument other than your assburgers

>>377555038
>videogame
good one anon

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>>377553872

>>377555241

>teso

How can one mans opinion be this shit?

>>377555241
Ha ha, no.

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>>377555241
Hahahahahaha
*breathes in*
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

>tfw you will never get to play through FFXIV for the first time again

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Seriously, how did the weebs pull it off? 5 years ago, no one would've guessed the "reboot" of 4.0 would have ever beaten the likes of TES or Wildstar.

How did it end up like this?

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>>377554053
Pretty much what >>377555037 said.
It's unfortunate but it's the truth. WoW was good for like month after Legion, and its back to being boring grindy trash.

Archeage was nothing but broken promises, Tree of Savior and BDO were dead on arrival, Blade and Soul tried so hard to be an esport that it forgot it has to be an actual game first, and all the old good shit like Lotro and FFXI have suffered from huge content draughts that have made a ton of people quit, leaving the games dead.

FFXIV isn't exceptional, it isn't even that good. It's just that everything else is so fucking bad that even something as mediocre as XIV can stand on top.

>>377555241


Rift was destroyed, anon. : (

>>377555650
Because they made a fun game that people liked to play

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>>377555650
>Wildstar
>ever competing

>>377555037
Most of XIV's success lends itself to DQX because YoshiP lifts content it from there and re-purposes it.

>>377555650
/v/ underestimated the number of people who like the final fantasy series just like they underestimated the number of people who like star wars and keep TOR alive and generating revenue

>>377555650
Honestly, polish.
All those F2P korean garbage MMOs don't stick because they're awful to play, aren't particularly accessible, marred in cash shop shit, they basically don't feel good at all.

None of the WoW killers managed to kill WoW because none of them truly reached the same level of quality. If you want to beat something, you have to master that something first and none of them bothered to do that. And now we're stuck with a flood of short-lived F2P products thrown at China and Korea en masse because those guys just have no goddamn taste in vidya and nobody wants to risk to make an actual quality project.

Oh, and you can comfortably play FFXIV on a console. That's a big one.

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Literally unplayable with new the servers. Many people I know just quit because of it, that's suck because I like the game.

>randomly get 90002 errors
>servers move
>oh good maybe those will stop
>get a 90002 error withing 30mins
ree

>>377556638
>no more BRs, no more frogs, no more swedencucks, no more europoors

wtf i love yoship now

>>377554053
It´s the lesser of the evils

>>377557782
>30 to 100
>mfw mine went from 30 to 140

I'd post a face but it never registered as a press for the server.

>>377557680
>I want to play a mmo alone

wtf I love retards now

>>377553872
It's well done, music is top notch, has a nice art style and good lore behind.

Ifyl you don't like the gameplay or characters, that's on you, but it can't be denied that FFXIV has consistency and is all around a pretty solid MMO, wether you like it or not.

>>377554053
It's not because "it's just a Final Fantasy game" that it's popular. 1.0's failure is a pretty solid proof of that.

>>377558482
NA servers are made for the american people, you have to go back blackie

>>377558449
>always have over 200

Yeah nah it's not that big of a fucking deal.

>>377555337
Pretty accurate desu. Most of the game is a delivery simulator of fetch-quests with a large portion of the player base online and afk in their housing estates.

>>377555650
>TESO
>failing
>new expansion coming out soon

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My brother is tempting me to get back into the game.

>>377555616
Good, I would get mad all over again when they retconned the end of ARR

>>377553872
>its literally just WoW with chocobos
The fuck did you think it would be?

>>377558753

>Watched a series going over the launch and shortcomings of FFXIV 1.0
>All those terrible design choices, making everything server side

You have to fuck up pretty hard when the best option to keep an MMO alive is to completely rebuild it.

If 1.0 didn't fail we could have gotten one of the more interesting MMOs, but instead ARR turned into a generic WoW clone and HW didn't fair any better.

>>377560524
Wasn't 1.0 just like XI?

>>377559051
>Yeah nah I ate shit and liked it so you can eat shit and enjoy it, too.

>>377560624
No. No version of XIV was ever like XI.

>>377555241
>TESO

lmao

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>>377555241

Is this bait?

>>377560624
Not remotely similar in any way.

>>377559475

>nobody cares

>>377561067
I almost wish it wasn't. I loved RIFT..

>>377561436

It's the TESO part I was calling bait.

>>377560968
>>377561067
>>377561845
ESO is more competent as a game than XIV has ever been in its lifetime. If you trash it, you haven't played it.

>>377561981
I just cant get over how stiff everything feels in ESO

>>377553872
XIV doesn't hold your hand when it comes to actually playing your class. Take MCH for example. To get good numbers with the class you need to have 3 things down

1) opener(s)
2) CD timing
3) stance dancing

The game teaches you nothing about these things. Especially the opener is critical since you literally frontload all your DPS untill your CDs align again 4 minutes into a fight. The few times I actually see MCH in my PuG groups they do pretty terrible simply because they were never taught how to properly play their class.

WoW on the other hand goes out of its way to enable players to atleast have a baseline efficiency with your class.

XIV relies on people actually explaining shit to others. This works well on JP server, where the montor system actually does something. On NA server people are either clueless or elitist shitbags who talk down to the former without offering any help.

In summary: Everyone around you sucks because you are a shitbag who would rather post on /v/ how bad everyone is instead of explaining shit.

>>377561981
ESO also doesn't have a sub. So you can play it whenever you want.

FFXIV can't justify the subscription since the patches that come out are lackluster or take too long to come such as the patch between 3.0 to 3.1. Five month wait and the patch was complete shit.

>>377562346
The same can be said for XIV. The whole skating while spamming weaponskills, the intense server-client delays on skills and animations, where no ability feels immediate and your sense of control being limited by the game's netcode.

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>>377562475
>stance dancing
I had a feeling that sitting on Gauss Barrel the entire time was fucking stupid.
This job, man.

>>377559001
I live in America and get a better ping from the EU servers than I do from the ones on my own fucking continent now

>>377562475
>elitist shitbags who talk down to the former without offering any help
Fuck you. We all tried to offer help for years, and were either met with silence, or screeching. So now we just don't fucking bother anymore because it's not worth it.

>>377561981
I have played it.
If I can't use fire, the basic element for Destruction, as a fucking mage, then what is the point?

>>377553872

Yes and yes.

It's just a generic MMO with a very charming Final Fantasy coat of paint. The soundtrack alone is worth the investment, it's probably the best video game soundtrack of all time thanks to its sheer volume and most of those songs being at least good.

It also has the best hardcore boss fights/raids of all RPGs by an extremely wide margin though, that's a huge selling point for me. The presentation of those fights is out of this world, and there's dozens of them. If like any /v/ goer worth his salt you've played MGR, think RULES OF NATURE.

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>>377557782
>play NIN
>live in europe
>114ms ping before the move
>literally zero issues
>178ms ping after the move
>still literally zero issues

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>>377562904
Retard? Elemental affinities are tied to your staff weapon. You can drop meteors.

Way better than XIV having Ice enemies that don't take increased damage from Fire spells.

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>>377559681
go for it anon, i know you want to be a healslut again and erp catboys.

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>>377562831
But anon you're supposed to just suck it up and continue trying to help those who bite the hand that feeds. Aren't you the selfish one?

>>377563345
So it's that Guild Wars 2 garbage where your abilities are tied to your weapon?
Fuck that noise.

>>377563437
Nice argument, garbageman.

>>377553872
>Is it just because of the franchise?

Yes. If it wasnt a Final Fantasy game it'd be just another failed WoW clone.

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>>377563471
In other words, you have no retort.
I guess that's that, then.

>>377555241
WEW

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>>377563601
Well you claim to have played it, without understanding very basic concepts. Hard to make a retort when your point hasn't been contested yet.

>>377555650
I like FF14 because gearing isnt plague by korean rng bullshit

>>377563170

Well, that's because you're a shitter anon.

There's no way you're able to fit your 3-step mudras within one GCD consistently with that ping.

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I just rp with a girl in balmug and walked away uninterested. Have you ever felt a sharp knife in the heart this hard?

>>377563929
I was always told it was impossible to fit 3-step mudras in one GCD with ANY ping.

Have I been lied to all these years?

>>377561981

Oh wow this flawless argument.

I've tried it out. It was shit.

>>377562831
Nigga, you can just google or look up a video. Hell, you can even just ask in this thread for help. Stop being a lazy little bitch like poorfags and welfarefags and socialistfags, niggerfags, spicfags, yellowniggerfags, sandniggerfags, and kikefags.

I think FFXIV is a good game but I just cant play it. For one there are just too many buttons for my shitter ass. I dont have an MLG mouse/keyboard and my fingers arent 10 inches long so almost every class having like 30 buttons to press isnt going to work for me. Also I just really dont like the fact that all the content is locked behind a fuckmassive quest line. It also feels like there is no class identity because everyone can be anything. Like why would a raiding group search outside of their weeb circlejerk for a particular Job when they can just have SephirothUchihaX become that job instantly. Seems that a side effect of this is making it really hard for new players to get into end game content unless they want to ride tons of dick.

Also seems that botting and RMT are a big problem but that could be said for any MMO... although Blizzard has been cracking down since the massive ban waves a year or so ago.

Its a cozy game but I just cant get into it.

>>377564295
Still a much better game than XIV.

ESO is a better game than XIV. Notice how weebs flip out they are confronted with this reality. Don't fall for the FF shills, the game is pure shit and there are plenty of better MMO games.

>>377555037
There's no such thing as best you mong. If you're talking about active users? Wow. Highest sub numbers? wow. Soundtrack? FF prolly. Best in depth customization? BD prolly. Biggest cash shop? rift. most casual friendly mmo? ESO.

>>377564513

Statistics say otherwise.

XIV is a better game than ESO. Notice how toddposters flip out they are confronted with this reality. Don't fall for the ES shills, the game is pure shit and there are plenty of better MMO games.

>>377564631
If ESO was so good people would be playing it, especially considering its price.

>>377564789
People do play it.

>>377561981

I played it and it was trash, everything about it from the linear bullshit quests and hubs to the shitty environmental design. I don't get why MMO's think they're pushing the envelope by washing everything in grimdark greys, browns and blacks. It destroys the entire experience for me. The soundtrack left alot to be desired and it felt like a copy paste of skyrim. It was bullshit, not to mention it had alot of bad publicity on release so it was essentially DoA in the eyes of the people who funded the trainwreck.

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>>377564648
>>377564789
Yes, hop aboard the rollercoaster with no build diversity; with echo chamber forums; with fanservice shoved into your face because they are creatively bankrupt on all fronts; with an eternity-long GCD; with autists that defend the game to its death because it has some compulsory story with one-dimensional characters, as if that is what Final Fantasy is or ever has been about; where content comes and then vanishes as if it never existed to begin with, all because of some new thing that they churned out.

Yes, risk averse Final Fantasy. The greatest game on the market. No other game exists because I have been playing and ERPing with catgirls for these 10,000 hours. I don't know what a good MMO is anymore.

>>377564875
>linear bullshit quests
You mean FFXIV? A lot of ESO quests have multiple routes while XIV is always one fetch quest

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>>377557782
>game was designed around nips with 20 ping
>complaining about 100 ping is somehow bad
If you weren't a retarded troll reposting the same stupid thing over and over I would feel bad for you.

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>>377563348
I only went heal slut to boost my Paladin.

>>377564385
Reading comprehension, anon.

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>>377564875
>shitty environmental design.
Yeah, as if aerial shit in Heavensward was any good.

And that trainwreck will be repeated in Stormblood with even less interactive environments.

>>377557782
>ass tier tickrate of .3 and .1 for open world and instanced respectively
>somehow it's wrong to complain about shit servers all the way on the other side of the USA

Even f2p MMOs have better average ping nationwide because they set up servers in the middle of the country or create datacenters in multiple states

>>377565362
Don't post anymore Nohten Kigengo. Scumbag. Apply your tripcode.

>>377559001
go back to pol cocksucker

>>377565605
Literally who?

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>>377563170
>drink pepsi his entire life
>never miss the taste of wine

>>377559001
>Nazifags play ERP simulator
Explains why the NA community is so retarded and can't clear Simon says content

>>377563170
>NIN
Listening to edgy teen bands.

>>377565732
https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/boards/v.vg/username/anime%20is%20best%20watched%20with%20friends%20who%20love%20you/

>>377562475
if you believe that wow's late game (don't say lfr or ill find you) is accessible for people who don't look up rotations n marks n gems n talents n insert-new-system-here you're really mistaken

>>377557782
Good isn't enough for those people, it has to be "excellent".

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>>377565874
So that I don't have to sift through all of that drivel he spouts, Could you summarize why you believe me to be him?

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>>377563170
>>377563929
>>377565776

Reminder that world first A4S NIN was on 160ms. What's your excuse, East Coast?

>>377565997
That's all my girlfriend does. She rolls disc priest and a boom chicken. Her guild just barely finished heroic NH. Shit's tough despite what /v/ thinks.

>>377562475
If you explain something, you either get kicked, insulted or just ignored. The people who actually care about their perfomance learn that shit themselves, not just wait for someone to tell them.

>>377564789
It has more players than FFXIV

>>377566218
I want the game to be fun.

>>377566471
It is fun, go kill some bosses

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>>377566706
I have murdered everything this game had to offer.
Now give me back my double weave before SB or i'll be forced to find another main or not have fun.

>>377564994
humans aren't flies

>>377564994

>being this asshurt

holy shit

must've been the lore rape

>>377566303

Doesn't mean a thing. Games quality is still low. Westcucks just have shit taste.

>>377553872
Because /v/ is casual as fuck but doesnt want to look normie, so when an anime version of world of warcraft came out they naturally jumped on it.

>>377566923
Consumers are treated as much.
>>377566947
Nah, more that they make a shitty game and people here still shill it, even going as far as to say it's the best on the market.

How closed-minded must these children be?

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>>377567042

Do you enjoy being cringy?

>>377567042

This

If they had any taste they'd play LOTRO instead.

>>377567042
>calling western games shit in a thread about anime world of warcraft

>>377567042
>Westcucks just have shit taste.
checks out, since I see daily xiv threads on /v/

>>377566913

They're not giving it back, they're taking it away from everyone else.

Rumor has it you can only do one oGCD per GCD in Stormblood. Basically turning the battle system into two separate, alternating GCDs.

>>377567176
This is a funny image.

>>377567176

Do you enjoy being a redditor?

>>377567348
>Rumor has it
Literally started by an anon in these threads right after the maintenance ended. You people are fucking idiots.

Wasn't TESO a laughing stock like the initial FFXIV release?


They BOTH shut, and idiots PAY to play both.

>>377553872

They know their players, their fanbase. They know what do they want and they deliver.

You like FFVI? Here you are, a whole set of 8-man bosses based on FFVI bosses with FFVI music. And Ultros, and the Magitec armor with Terra's theme when you use it.

Remember FFVII?? The final boss of 3.0 is the fucking Knights of the Round.

You like Ivalice? We will add a whole set of 24 man raids on Ivalice

The game itself is a lot of fan service merged to create a new game and somehow it fucking works.

>>377567507
Difference is ESO players aren't subscription slaves that drone on about their game being the best in everything, even parading the fact that it will never go free-to-play (a model it deserves given how little content is offered).

>>377567365
Oh are you using more "cool" words that /v/ taught you? That's so fucking awesome!

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This is now a FFXIV character cancer thread.

Post yours.

>>377567619
>p-please like my fanservice, we aped previous FF's because that's what you like!! no new designs ever!! no originality!! remember kefka??? sephiroth?? lol bell frogs bing cherries!!!
Fuck off cuck.

>>377567696

You have to go back.

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>>377567745

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>>377567746
>no new designs ever!!

Pic related.

>>377567745
>>377568003

>>>/vg/
Faggots

>>377567872
you have to be 18 to post here.

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>>377568043
At least cite Stormblood, to which I can eviscerate that point too by showing you how long XIV has been out.

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>>377567745

Why do I sometimes play this game for hours straight and then dont touch it for days?
Leveling is such a damn slog after your first 60 too. Fuck, I cant do any more PoTD.

>>377553872
>Why does everyone on /v/ suck this game's dick so much?

They're literally paying to play it. It's natural they have to convince themselves it's more than worth it.

>>377562683
>fucking stupid
It helps but it really doesn't give you that much more dps.

>he doesnt play the most canon warrior of light aka midlander hyur

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>>377568272
>he doesnt play

>>377568272
>He doesn't know

Poor thing, should we tell him?

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>>377568092

We haven't played stormblood yet. We have till heavensward.

Btw Soaring Naraka has NOTHING in common with Ravana other than "it has 4 hands".


>>377567745

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>>377568272
But I do.

LMAO at the asshurt teso babies trying to be relevant

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>>377568107
Cute!

>>377568272
>>377568351
The canon WoL is a female mooncat.

>>377568716
proof?

>>377568272
feels good being canon, bros

>>377553872
Weeb forum. Weebs would drink a dogshit smoothie if you told them the dog was owned by a japanese dude.

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what should i level senpai

>>377568835
Finish WAR, then one of the healers.

>>377568892
Thanks, i'm indecisive and need someone to choose for me, appreciate it

>>377568832

>forum

should i level smn/sch first in stormblood or go full samurai

>>377568773
Yoshida said it

>>377561981

How are the raids in ESO anyway?

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>>377568469
>alternating stances with vulnerabilities
>same functional mesh
Did you even play XI?

>>377567505

Obviously you are unaware that there has just been a media tour where the FF14 devs have shown off everything about the new expansion to the press behind closed doors and non disclosure contracts

Any credible rumors should not be dismissed right now.

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>tfw getting birds in learning parties.

This may be better than joining farm parties.

>>377561981
>ESO is more competent as a game

Now THIS is bait.

>>377570749
It's true.

ESO doesn't leave whole game modes defunct for a great period of time (guildhests, Frontline/Wolves' Den, etc.).
ESO doesn't pack its entire game behind hundreds of horrible, no substance fetch quests; you telling me this is acceptable? https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/7th_Astral_Era_Quests
ESO has build diversity. You telling me I can customize my character in XIV? LOL. The difference between best in slot and an assortment of gear at whatever item level plateau they've set is minimal. That's sad that the game developer himself is quoted as being against choice, while still enabling the illusion of it with materia socketing.

The list goes on.

i was told it was less grindy and had more to do than WoW that wasn't leveling

boy were they fucking wrong

>>377553872
it's the franchise, it's wow with prettier graphics. that's about it. same exact formula as wow with prettier characters and weeb appeal. any mmo released after 2002 has been a scam