What games are, in your opinion, timeless? i.e. they've

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>>377534954
I feel this is the oldest game that will always be relevant for what it is and not just what it inspired or set the stage for

That said, I respect the kind of e-sports that now surround Pac-Man or Donkey Kong but the appeal there is VERY narrow

I never understood the notion of games 'aging'
Why shouldn't someone play XCOM or Half-Life in 2100?

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Pic related will always be the greatest RPG to ever be made. Ask me again in 50 years and I doubt that will have changed.

>>377535176
Great choice, picked this up on the 3DS e-store and it's still amazing.

>>377535035
It's so fucking deep

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>>377534954
>they've withstood the onslaught of new hardware, evolution in gameplay mechanics, and general graphical improvements.
>old rts
>especially sc1
yeah, nah

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>>377535361
Sometimes mechanical limitations are so great that a game can be revolutionary when it comes out but be so thoroughly surpassed by it's successors that it's no longer relevant and objectively superior alternatives exist

I agree with everything in the thread.

was gonna post for JA2
was also gonna post for X-Com

was also gonna post for UT99 and quake 3.

>>377534954
Am I banned?

>>377535361
I think the reasoning behind it is the same as the whole "Seinfeld Isn't Funny" trope (tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny) where people go back to play classic games for the first time after being brought up on the games that were inspired by the classics.

The result is usually "why would I play Half-Life when I can play X modern shooter that was directly inspired by Half-Life but has better graphics, not to mention all my friends are playing it"

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Save for multiple elevations that game has it all

>>377535584
Considering that SC1 still looks fantastic and unique while SC2 like cartoony mess, I tend to agree with OP

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>>377535784
I see it more as a game could have a flaw so glaring that it makes it less enjoyable now that you're aware of it because of it's absence in other games

Like how as much as everyone loves Ocarina of Time does any installment after it have this fucking asshole after every dungeon, or the necessity to open the start menu every 5 seconds to equip/unequip your Iron Boots, or an inexplicable sequence where you watch an obese fish man slowly shift to the left for 90 seconds?

Thief 2

>>377534954
I love the isometric-esque style that most older games adapted and I think majority of them still look great today, They hold up much better over time than the old 3d games.

>>377534954
Almost every Mario game is still fun. Simple mechanics and graphics that don't attempt to be realistic because what's top of the line today will look terrible tomorrow

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>>377535886
Eh. What keeps Doom relevant, even the original episodes, is that the presentation evolves as time goes by. I can't imagine many people play it in it's "original context" anymore, as in a tiny grainy keyboard-only software rendered postage stamp window

>>377535584
>the most perfectly balanced RTS ever made
>a 20 year old game with an active competitive scene
>Shifted RTS games from being Dune clones to being Starcraft clones
>literally free

It's an historic work of art, nothing less

>>377536175
Go to /vr/ and post that out loud.
Even I play like that on my toaster laptop.

Star Fox 64
Silent Hill 2
Diablo 2
Donkey Kong Country 2
Dodonpachi

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>>377536290
>>377535584
>>377535929
On that note though, Starcraft and Warcraft 3 basically murdered Warcraft 2 in spite of it being a 10/10 game itself when it was released

>>377536478
>Donkey Kong Country game
>not aged
lmao

>>377536576
t b h as great as WCII was WCIII improved on it in every way imaginable

Chrono Trigger

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as much as i hate the fandom that embraced it, the fact that a tiny 4-5 hour game thrown in with TF2 and HL2 ep.2 has had such an impact is nuts.

>>377535929
>>377536290
>>377536576
it might be a great game but it's old and aged
current tech would let rts games have great features like
>dynamically changing terrain
>projectile physics
>units that don't just stand in one place and shoot as default way of fighting
>etc

but no, even the new rts games try to "go back to the roots" or whatever stupid shit they think will sell and fail hard as fuck
look at Grey Goo, where the fuck it is now?
there's also DoW3 but that just a simple trainwreck

>>377536576
WCII = extremely boring, there are few meaningful distinctions between the races and it is obsolete.

>>377537124
Fastest speed campaign is really fun.

>>377535929
>SC2
>cartoony mess
Are you blind or just retarded?

>>377535035
>>377535470

I tried to get into this recently.

I might be spoilt by modern games but the UI was very unintuitive and I couldn't wrap my head around the 30+ hotkeys needed to play it.

>>377537043
>4-5 hour game
anon...

>>377534954
My game desu

>>377537402
>>377537402
This works for pretty much every classic TBS, the games were made to be played with the manual at your side and you either have two displays or pray dosbox or whatever it is that runs these games to not shit itself between incessant alt-tabbing

super metroid

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Still the greatest 2D Action RPG of all time.

The fact that it spawned those excellent DS games is a nice bonus.

>>377537082
those are features that sound good, but don't actualy make the game better. plenty of newer rts have even had them, but none of them were better than starcraft.

>>377537082
>dynamically changing terrain
>projectile physics
>units that don't just stand in one place and shoot as default way of fighting
And it makes the game more fun, how?
Moar technology =/= better game
People still play chess and poker, not to mention 40K and D&D autists and their toys, it's almost like core gameplay is far more important than random bells and whistles

>>377537082
Sounds like you prefer cosmetic changes over good gameplay but okay

>>377536576
As great as Warcraft3 is I didn't like the RPG elements they added in.
The game became too focused on heroes.

>>377540195
the economical changes had more of an effect

tax above 50 supply meant 80% of pro strategy is about making the best 50 food army possible

>>377537082
The thing about SC1 is that the one thing that makes SC1 bad is also what makes it good. The core unit pathing in the game is garbage, and you had to fight with your units to get them to do what you wanted. On top of that the limited units per grouping (I don't remember if you even could put buildings in control groups, though I know you couldn't select multiple buildings.) Makes controlling your army really difficult, before you even get into the macro portion of the game.

>>377535374
literally the most worst case of nostalgia ever, i bought this game a few years ago and even with that huge fanmade mod/patch it was still trash
combat was ass, no custom characters and the only interesting person in the game was the crazy malk bitch who you never see again after chapter 1.

>>377539565
I guess that's your opinion then.
Mine is that games like Zero-K, SupCom and MoW are much better than any older rts games.
Not saying they are bad tho, I still play RoN and AoM with friends, but it's clearly visible every time how old they are.

>>377539749
>>377539828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ufGIWMvM7E&t=2016s
The big ass shot of the end game unit gets blocked by the swarm of fighter jets
Also in SupCom there's a tactic to use the Czar(giant flying saucer) to block nukes by flying over the spot it would land. It will kill the Czar and make it drop down on stuff below it, killing them, but the nuke's blast would kill much more in the area below.

Then there's Zero-K full of stuff like this. Terraforming the big slow enemy walker into a pit so it gets stuck, or you Commander for cover. Gauss turret shots can bounce off things, sou manual firing at the ground would fire a bit further than the default range.
Terraforming a ramp and using grav push turrets to launch suicide bombing units over the enemy. Using transports for said suicide bomber units and even if the trans is shot down the unit would still retain the momentum and land further forward.

>>377536576
>alleria got human dicked JUST like all her sisters
elven women love human cock

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>>377535035

Great to see someone else appreciating JA2. One of my all-time favorites as well.

>>377540653
Stop you are making me want to re-install SupCom. Never played against people, but god to I have a boner for huge formations of units. Also had some of the best Air and Naval combat in any RTS

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>>377540413
As a devout brood war fan, this.

Dragoons especially are fucking retarded

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>>377540548

>combat was ass
>no custom characters
>Malk bitch is only interesting character

Why do you openly confess to never playing the game like this?

>>377534954
>they've withstood the onslaught of new hardware
OP pic doesn't count because it's a nightmare to run on new computers
I can't wait for blizzard to somehow fuck up the remake

>>377540394
Yeah, but in my eyes all that is related to the RPG elements they added.
If they reduced the supply to 100 from the 200 W2 had and added the supply-based taxes was to keep the armies as small as possible so heroes and spellcasters become as important as possible.

>>377541484
you can download the original from blizzard for free. As far as I know it works fine. Works on my machine™

>>377540413
This is why Starcraft was so much more successful than any other RTS. It's a game of skill more than strategy. RTS is fairly shallow as a game design no matter how you try to spice it up, it just doesn't have the potential on its own for deep strategy or long-lasting appeal. If you remove the unit limits and awkward pathfinding from Starcraft, you remove the skill-based unit manipulation that forms the core of the game's depth and it becomes indistinguishable from any other RTS.

>>377542062
there's plenty of strategy though. you have to actually understand the game for it though.

>>377541741
Oddly enough the new version doesn't work at all on my shitbox, it requires OpenGL levels this ancient ATI card could never dream of.

Kind of retarded for a game designed to run on a Pentium 133 in the first place.

>>377538606
Masterpiece

X-com 1 and terror from the deep
master of orion 2
star control 2
Homeworld 1 and Homeworld cataclysm
Doom 1 and 2
Dungeon Keeper 2
Alpha Centauri
Total Annihilation
Tie Fighter
Myst
Riven
Master of Magic
Planescape Torment
Baldur's Gate 2
Gothic 2
Freespace 2
Independence War 2
King of Dragon Pass
Uplink
DEFCON
Beyond Good and Evil
Minecraft
Kerbal space program
FEAR
Grim Fandango

If you pick any one of these games at random and play it, knowing nothing about the game, you're going to like it.

>>377544194
Why not Dungeon Keeper 1?

>>377544194
>Minecraft
Just had to ruin the list didn't you?

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>>377534954

Warcraft 3
Been playing it for 15 years now, more multiplayer content than 10 years of AAA titles combined, spawned several game genres, still love the graphics even.

>>377544194
Impeccable taste: except minecraft, why is that fuck-ugly autism simulator among those classics?

>>377537082
>current tech would let rts games have great features like
>dynamically changing terrain
>projectile physics
>units that don't just stand in one place and shoot as default way of fighting
>etc

You literally just described total annihilation

It also came out an entire year before starcraft did, and is 10000% a better game all-around; the more recent supreme commander update on it actually plays worse and that's STILL a good game

>>377544413
Last time i checked battle net it was just full of empty dota lobbys made by bots that auto kick you.

do people actually play jungle trolls and stuff?

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>>377534954

I just got around to playing Earthbound again. I mostly play PC fps games these days, but man, that one really holds the test of time.

>>377544194
>minecraft

the balls of this guy

>>377536290
Don't forget that it helped shape AI's used today in actually important fields.

Max payne 2, so smooth animations, and timeless storytelling and camerwork

>>377536681
fuck you very much

>>377541389
I really really like this gif

>>377534954
Starcraft's single player campaign is kinda slow and boring to me now. And I grow up on this game.

The multiplayer gameplay and meta looks pretty much intact and still dope as fuck.

>>377541474
Combat IS ass

t. someone who played through the game 5+ times with different gameplay styles.

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>>377544413
>>377544568
>tfw you will never go back to 2005 WCIII customs
>tfw no more island troll tribes
>tfw no more footman frenzy
>tfw no more of the greatest tower defense platform to ever exist
>tfw no more vampirism
>tfw no more darwins island
>tfw no more hero line wars
>tfw no more massive RPGs with literally dozens of hours of content
>tfw no more Uther party
>tfw no more parasite

We need to go back

>>377544251
>Dungeon Keeper
I wanted to try those games but will I enjoy them even if I'm a sensitive moralfag that hates hurting good guys even in vidya? I mean you lay traps for adventurers right?

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>>377544837

>>377534954
Homeworld 1 and 2.

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>>377545293

Baten Kaitos Eternal Wings
Timesplitters 2 and FP

>>377534954
HoMM 3 & 4 have timeless art styles an their playability wont even degrade. Same can be said for all the infinity engine cRPG's, still the finest in their genre. Diablo 2 is also just as good as when it was released.

>>377545198


Yeah, but its nice, just think of them as the bad guys.

The damn mercenaries

Not a nostalgia fag, but i feel like people before made games with love, or with little details that tell you "wow, they really put their heart here"

Or maybe, since there werent update systems, or micro transactions, or DLC's and shit, people just gave their all in a game so it could sell well. I mean, that CD was the only game, you can add more content. You can't expand it. It's just that.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abcCoZneK_c&index=4&list=PLDDBF36A6782ED960

>>377537043

To be honest I can't even hate the fan base. Portal is so fucking good it deserves all the love it gets.

>>377544194
slightly peccable taste, sneaking minecraft in there like a madman

>>377544568
>>377545141

I normally just play stuff with my friends, but I did play a few games through tunngle, they have a separate room for dotashit and good custom games, was able to host basically anything and have people roll in to play it

>>377544194
Great fucking list.
But I'd likke to add Blood, Fallout 2, Half Life 1, VMTB, Deus Ex, Halo CE, Chrono Trigger, and Earthbound as well.

>>377545494
back when EA games wasn't a complete dog turd

>>377534954
Doom 2.

Transport Tycoon.

Rogue/NetHack/etc.

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>>377544656
Legitimately one of the Top 10 greatest games ever made

>my eleven year old face when I realized this wasn't going to be just another Mario game

>>377545407
>Baten Kaitos Eternal Wings

Fuck yeah, the card based combat was really well done. I remember being in awe as a kid because it needed two discs on the GC, made it seem like an epic.

>>377536175
Original Doom had mouse controls.

>>377544194
Could somebody please highlight which of these games can be played above 640 x 480 resolution? I am allergic to DOS gfx q.q

>>377544194

>No RCT or Sim City.

But I agree.

>>377545198
Maybe not. In Dungeon Keeper 1 You get fun descriptions of how you've ruined everything in the territory you conquered after every level, you do lay traps for, kill, imprison, and torture adventurers. The final boss you have to kill (not a spoiler, it's in the manual) is literally the Avatar from Ultima, the ultimate embodiment of morality. As I recall Dungeon Keeper 2 toned down the overt evil a bit though so that one might be fine for you, although you still kill the good guys.

>>377545462
Thats directly related to the budgets and production values of modern triple-A's. Shit is so expensive and man-hour-consuming that there is very little room for risks, passion and personal creativity (outside japan where personality cults are still very much a thing). 99% of people involved with high-end game development are simply given a task with a deadline and they complete it to best of their ability.

Indie scene is better than ever though, there are massive amounts of great under marketed gems made by small groups of people.

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This game is still insanely appealing to the eyes. And at well over a thousand hours of playtime from this being a staple game of my friend group growing up, me and my friends were still up for games of City Trial to this day.

Computers can still beat us, we can still have upsets and surprise ourselves (I got all 3 piece of the Hydra in like 20 seconds flat by pure coincidence recently) Bossfight King Dedede is still an absolute fuckboy

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>>377544194
>Minecraft has always looked and felt like a ugly clunky piece of shit, so it hasn't aged
>Game is smoke and mirrors and good for about one "I made myself a neat base" so if somebody knew nothing about the game they genuinely would enjoy themselves for one go of it
This is a humorous technicality

>>377544194
Good list with 1 obvious exception
>Gothic 2
While the game is amazing, it took me 3 attempts and several hours of forced playing to actually get into it. The character/camera control-scheme and combat feels very unintuitive for a long time when you are used to modern games.

For me, it has to be command and conquer.

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>Nobody mentions Age of Empires 2
Its still played by tens of thousands of people every day 18 years after its release.

>>377546714
Age of empires makes a better looking city than most city building games

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Still has the best exploration of any game.

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>>377541389

>>377545198

The evilness is very whimsical and the good guys who's shit you ruin are insufferable and unlikeable.

diablo 2
warcraft 3
spyro 1-3
tony hawks pro skater 1-3/4
super mario bros 3/world
LoZ alttp
every FF 4 and up
castlevania SotN
doom
tetris
any pokemon game imo but some may argue gen 3+ or even 4+

>>377544194
>Freespace 2

I played F1 and 2 in close succession and the experience is indistinguishable, what's your problem with 1?

>>377547019

>Tetris
>timeless

Which Tetris? Because a lot of them were fucking shit.

>>377544413
I read that Breivik played wow seven hours every day for a year and after that snapped realising he wasted entire year of his life.
Usually I dont listen to advice from others but in this case I will avoid wow.

>>377547164

Warcraft 3 and WoW are two very different things

Also I played more WoW than that for a year straight and I haven't killed anyone.

>>377547149
I think the original is fine even with out the instant drop feature
I like tetris DX alot on the gbc also though

>>377547242
I played wow 16 hours a day from 15-19 even dropped out of school for it

>>377547423
How many did you kill?

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>>377534954
these hold up pretty good if you can get passed the non-existent OST

>that intro for 7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owWJUD-QUls

>>377547481
how many people is any significant amount of social skills worth because I have none
almost got into a fight with my principal shortly before dropping out though
I had a machete in my jacket lining that I carried everywhere and came close to using it on him

>>377547164
i played wow 7 hours a day for a year as well and when i snapped i basically quit wow and started studying, become successful in general. its been 6 years now since those times. i still play wow but i am extremely casual.

just because breivik was a piece of shit no lifer with no aim in his life doesnt mean you will be the exact same after playing a game.

Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, anyone?
say what you want, but the main series still has a solid coregameplay, and for a Gameboy-game, it was huge (only problem is, that it is slow as hell)

>>377538606
somehow, I never got into the series (maybe, it's just cause I suck)

>>377537082
None of this was impossible back when Starcraft came out, y'know, since Total Annihilation cam eout before Starcraft. It's not like any of these specifically like the game better. Sometimes predictability is just better.

>>377547717

>when I snapped

You people are just weird.
I played WoW around 12 hours a day, with the rest spent with school and sleep, sleeping mostly 4ish hours a day, I just had the best time of my life.
I didn't snap, the burning crusade just ended and I just stopped playing.

I truly miss it.

>>377537082
>current tech

Says a lot about your graspn on reality.
This shit was standard in RTS games when Starcraft came out.
Ignoring all the fancy bullshit is what made the game so great and what killed the opposition that just pushed in a ton of useless shit.

Kinda sad it hasn't been mentioned yet, but, street fighter 2. It's not just that it invented the fighting game genre as we know it, it's not just that you *could* still play it, rather the metagame is being developed to this day. And if you and your likewise competitive minded buddy meet up you can really just still play it and get the same awesome experience that people got 30 years ago, cause the thrill of outsmarting your opponent by making strategic use of your small array of punches and kicks and movement options, it's not really influenced by the sprite resolution, and so easy to pick up. As timeless as video games have gotten yet

>>377534954
>What games are, in your opinion, timeless
mainly sprite based games or cell shaded graphics make a games artstyle never age.

so

Zelda aLttp
super mario world
C&C TS/RA2
Zelda WW

>>377548258
im this retard>>377547423
and I quit shortly into cataclysm because of similiar reasons
The game just slowly stopped being fun and made me no longer want to play

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Roller Coaster Tycoon

>>377548349

I'll consider anyone who played the game that much post TBC atleast slightly retarded.

>>377548284
While I really like SF2 I think the alpha titles hold much better
sf2 is really stiff as great as it is and alpha 2/3 really ironed out the game and had a good improvement on aesthetics
Not to mention that hueg roster

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>>377534954
To me personally first soul reaver

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No fighting game has gotten close to third strike yet

>>377548490
wrath was just as fine as tbc and rdf wasnt implemented until the last raid tier and only grouped you with people either from your server or battlegroup I cant remember super clearly
It had the best talent tree iteration and much better pvp than tbc until the end when people were stacking armor pen and everyone had shadowmourne

warband for me. amazing modding community and dlc. and nothing else offers that kind of gameplay unless you count sid meier's pirates!

Pokemon Emerald (or Ruby/Sapphire, but I like Emerald most)
Doom, obviously
Ocarina Of Time
And bit uncommon opinion but even after 15 years, Sonic Adventure 2 always feels fun

>>377534954
Ff9 Paper mario 64

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Mother fucking Alpha Centauri.
Still the best writing i've ever seen in a game.
Still the only game to do philosophy right.
I will forever replay this game every year or so. It just does not get old.

>>377548791

It was shit. Shit new continent, shitty leveling, shitty dungeons, shitty loot. It streamlined and reduced all the elements of wow to the most basic "this is what it needs to function" elements, wintergrasp was a piece of shit after being hyped like a game changer. WTLK is the expansion that includes pretty much everything that forever turned WoW into the sad sack of shit it is today. The damn thing started off with rehashed content, and that set the tone for the rest of WoW. It was the first pathetic phoned-in expansion. All it has to show in return is a single tier of okay raids.

>>377549735
But TBC also had just a shit ton of rehashed stuff.

>>377547679
I genuinely hope you're in a better headspace now anon

Gay shit aside you sound like an edgy rogue player you loser

>>377544537
I know very well about TA and I know SupCom is just a bit dumbed down derivative of it.

>>377548074
>>377548282
But you clearly don't understand what I'm talking about.
If it were for people like you we'd still be playing board games

Two "3D" games I can think of are Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back and Duke Nukem 3D

And all games that use sprites and pixel art and 2D graphics generally aged really well.

>>377547508
BANE?

>>377551905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcsDc-Fot78

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>>377534954
>ctrl+f

I'm surprised nobody mentioned it sooner

>>377544194
>King of Dragon Pass
I'd faster learn quantum mechanics than understand how to play this fucking game

>>377535886
Look up m8

>>377551443
they were really pushing the hardware toward their limits with the PS1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uroNVbKKgks

>>377553312
EverQuest is the antithesis of timeless.

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>>377534954
Can't believe the severs are still up while EQOA were shut-down years back ;_;

>>377536576
The problem was each race was just an exact mirror; at least the 4 WC3 races felt unique

>>377554616
The spellcasters were completely different.

>>377534954
HL1 is my pick.

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>>377544194
>Minecraft

>>377548434
RCT1 & 2 are patrician taste

>>377534954
Final fantasy tactics

>>377535035

One day I'll get Stracciatella working on my phone

>>377534954
All games are bad after 3-5 years. Really, most everything is terrible after that long. Move on and get the next one.

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This teached me a lot.

It even showed how stupid and clueless some teachers are.

>>377556251
Civilization II Gold edition was the best Civilization game and there's nothing you can do to prove me wrong.

>>377534954
I like Doom II.

>>377555956
are you bating m8 give these a try & tell me these aren't timeless

>ADOM

>NETHACK

>Triangle Wizard

>>377534954
Close Combat series.

>>377535768
I see your post.
I don't think 4chan even does stealth bans.

>>377534954
Dragon's Dogma
Age of Wonders 1
Zelda games most of them
Castlevania
Deus Ex
Warcraft 3

>>377535035
Someone pitch this game to me.

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>>377548434
Came in here to post this, good job anon.

Posting a secondary choice then

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>>377534954

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>>377558037
love zeus. doesnt run properly on modern computers though

>>377537082
Company of heroes 1 has all of those features and more... and it came out in 2006.

>>377558053
as much as i love fable 1.

the game is too fucking easy

>>377538606
On the week before my wizardhood, i will go to russia, to the biggest gupnik gathering i can find, and beat them at HOMM3 until they shower me with cheap womens.

>>377541389
Dragoons, Reaver, Goliath

All mentally challenged, all amazing units

>>377534954
Tetris.....

Prove me wrong. People will still be olaying it 50 years from now.

>>377546714
*sssshhhhhh1 AHH softly*

>>377535176
I grew up with Mario All-Stars on the SNES so trying to play the NES version is just weird to me. It just feels 'off' somehow.
And yet people say that All-Stars fucked the physics and bastardized the music or whatever. I don't know, I just can't get into the NES version.

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Doom will be relevant until the community finally stops producing content for it, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

It's what modmakers and level designers cut their teeth on. And year after year, level sets are produced that rival that of recent AAA games.

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Several spiritual sequels have been made, but nothing has yet surpassed the original.

>>377559417
Doom is still getting mods?

How is that even possible you don't see games like Megaman getting fan-edits

>>377559739
Yes. Regular new mods. New level sets and gameplay mods come out all the fucking time. Check the /vr/ thread.

>>377559739

It's harder to make shit for games like Megaman. All of the tools for making new DOOM content are there, easily accessible, and relatively easy to use.

>>377535939
OoT was ahead of it's time

Going to throw in a vote for Roller Coaster Tycoon and SimCity

>>377558698
Tetris is everything a video game should aspire to be. Games like it and Pong will never go out of style.

>>377535939
>an inexplicable sequence where you watch an obese fish man slowly shift to the left for 90 seconds?
Literally kino

>>377535035
all time favorite game 100% no game in the genre will ever touch it

>>377535374
Agree. The facial animations during conversation still impress me to this day.

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>>377534954
I know it's not that old be firing it up never seems to lose it's charm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdpqV7RPnTE

>>377558368
Get the GoG version. Both work fine (as well as Pharaoh) for me on Win7

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>>377548615
>Q
>easily one of the best original characters Capcom has ever created
>was thrown into the mix with utter garbage like Elena, Necro, Oro, Remy, and Twelve
>is considered utter garbage by association

Q deserves better. Capcom needs to realize that Ibuki, Dudley, Alex, and Makoto aren't the only winners to come from Third Strike.

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>>377534954

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>weebs arrive
>thread immediately ruined

>>377562903
I think they don't want to make him because he's too weird and basically a joke that got taken seriously.

He's so ridiculously reliant on his taunt and parry mechanic to not be completely shit that I don't think capcom knows what to do in general. I mean, that's fucking Capcom with Streetfighter 5 in general, but especially Q