This is considered a deadly fall in 2017's The Surge. Say

>>377520407
So is it fall damage or a Kill barrier?

>>377520501
It's instakill, which makes it even better because THERE IS fall damage and the threshold for that is much bigger.

>This game got a lot of attention for being compared to another series
Is this how games are done today?
And why is it okay when it's about Souls?

>>377520774
It's being compared because the devs themselves compared it to Dark Souls.
It also doesn't help that their previous game Lords of the Fallen was fucking terrible.

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Your shitposting cant make me not enjoy the game and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>377520407
>fall into sewage looking shit
>die

>fall from 20 feet onto stable ground
>take 25% damage

Seems right to me, its almost like its a video game

HOWEVER
Theres a far more bullshit kill barrier in recycling Theres 2 conveyors that are only 5 feet down and you just cant. I was pissed

how are sequence breaks in this game? I saw it has jumping and lots of vertical level design in at least one place

This game is incredibly frustrating.

It's not the difficulty of the enemies, it's the inability to fucking know what you should be doing, or where you should be going in a reasonable manner, because the environment never clues you in and there's not even a map button, you need to look around and find a map on the wall. Add in security doors, power circuits that don't show you what the fuck you even opened, etc. Oh, a tiny person-width hallway! Which of the fifteen of these am I in currently, I can't remember because they look completely fucking identical.

Add in the goddamned shitty character lighting that promotes ambience above actually SEEING SHIT and I had to stop playing at some points

It's just needlessly obtuse constantly. Still, parts are fun, and I don't regret the purchase.

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>Fall into industrial sewage with your heavy-ass forklift cosplay
>Die
Woooooooooow

>>377521743
Everything past the first area has plenty of verticality to kill yourself on

>>377522110
>Anon needs a map to navigate
Spot the new-age gaymer

>>377520774
>Is this how games are done today?

This has been how things have always been done. Hell ID got started ripping off Mario

Is better than lords of the fallen or is it more or less the same dreck as before?

>>377520407
Say what you will, I'm loving this game so far.

>>377522663
It's better but still worse than Dark Souls

Take that as you will

>>377522110
Literally only one part of the game is anywhere near complicated like you described and thats because its a hub that connects to 4 other areas once you unlock all the shortcuts.

Its also not nearly that bad if you just get gud. The maps are surprisingly small once you learn them well enough and unlock everything despite the fact that it feels way bigger than that the first time though somehow. I guess a lot of das does the same thing.

>>377522172
>kill yourself on
Except you can make tons of jumps, I skipped a lot on my second try just by jumping railings onto cargo or catwalks below

>>377522807
>The maps are surprisingly small once you learn them well enough and unlock everything despite the fact that it feels way bigger than that the first time though somehow.
Shortcuts tend to do that, yes. Also having good level design

>>377522807
It's because the maps are folded in on themselves so well. They feel big when you're running through them, but at the end you realize it's just a lot of areas folded into a smaller space. Really well done actually.

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Yes, people can drown just by walking near sewage, since it makes you unable to think and you fall in and drown

>>377522110
I never got stuck a single time.
Mabye its just you and your lack of navigation skills? Should we implement a map with quest markers into every game for people like your?

Games like this are perfect without a map, you can remember each areas connections to one another

Games like metroid prime that have hundreds of rooms kinda need one with entire segments being between the right elevators.

>>377523065
A lack of breathable air tends to do that to people yes

>>377523051
True, sadly every area looks more or less the same.
It would be a lot more impressive if you could tell the areas apart and then have them connect as closely as they are.
But its always fun to go up an elevator and suddenly notice that your actually back at your medbay.

So how are you meant to fight the excavator in the Biolab area? Does the Lidquidator set give you enough resistance to tank the damage from standing in the sludge?

>>377523330
Wear a full liquidator set and pop whichever of the injectibles is the regenerating health one, use the electricity/health converter to outpace the damage you take

>>377523330
Why are you standing in the fucking sludge. Poke the damn thing

>>377523330
Good question.
Now that you mention it, I just forgot about that guy and moved on..
I've been using full liquidator and it seems to half the damage.. I dont think thats enough to make a fight in the poison all that enjoyable.

>>377520407
Price drop FUCKING WHEN? The game looks great, but it costs 40 bucks even on G2A.

>>377523330
Get at lteast 9 heals and clear the area, then get the healstation at the top of the stairs to refill for the fight without respawning the enemies

Use liquidator and you can survive with extra healing if you know how to take them down efficiently.

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>>377520407
>rush to recover lost scrap
>end up walking into a boss fight with a giant robot that I can't leave when trying to go and reclaim it

>>377523808
>9 heals
What in the fuck? I never needed more than 1 instant injection an the power converting heal thingy..

>>377523065
Thats terrible game design!
Who included Poison gas in this game anyway?

>>377523824
Good thing scrap isnt actually all that important..
A new power level only gives you 1 point of HP, so unless you can get a new implant slot, or need it to craft anything, your good.

>>377523286
Eh, the areas themselves are different enough for me.

Open air hangar/factory
Inside the main factory (3 areas in one)
Sewer/open air greenhouses above
High tech labs
Security
???

I'm not to the executive forum yet but theres an area I dont know thats not in the list. 7 total.

It is a shame that all "inside the walls" areas are the same ventilation looking stuff.

>>377523912
>power converting heal thingy

I dont use that

>>377523065
>blight town

I'm done with this game. Even with 200hp everything kills me in one or two hits. It's hard to see what the enemies will do cause most of the maps are too dark and the flashlight is useless.

Every fight is the same: attack, dodge back, jump and repeat because enemies can ignore stagger and throw unavoidable quick punch that takes all my hp.

I won't even start how all the weapons and armors are shit and there is barely any choice and all the levels look the same.

>>377524126
Why not? Its the single most usefull implant I've seen so far.
You dont need to use all that energy to hack of limbs, unless you have to craft something specific, right?

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>>377524167
>the game is too hard for me

GIT GUD
I
T

G
U
D

>>377524167
Actually you're fucking wrong.

>>377524262
I'll start trying it out.

I'm having trouble with the boss in securtiy right now, hes fast and I dont block lel

>>377524167
>enemies can ignore stagger
Go back to Nopoise Souls 3, scrub.

>>377524167
>Every fight is the same: attack, dodge back, jump and repeat

Just like every dark souls, right?

>>377521176
yeah i was surprised to die to that

>>377524357
At what point? I'm at the area with the shield drones and the heavy guys with toxic granades and those fuckers can one shot me while i dance around trying to get close to that drone.

And the security guys can kill my with thir 2 hits combos if I fail to avoid it even once. Or they can shoot that shoulder stun out of nowhere.

And that jumping 3 legged robot, his jump or any of the quick attacks brings me down with one hit.

>>377524167
>>377524167
>too dark
Its actually not and using darkness beter than any souls game for both gameplay and atmosphere
>flashlight doesnt work
Get a better light idiot
>Every fight is the same: attack, dodge back, jump and repeat
Maybe because you fight the same but all mine play different thanks to combos
>enemies can ignore stagger
Except they cant unless you try to infinitely stagger them which doesnt work in das either.
I stagger enemies to the ground who are in full armor all the time with fucking twin rigged.
>throw unavoidable quick punch that takes all my hp.
>unavoidable
get gud

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>>377520407
>mfw actually having fun
It shows these guys learned after the clusterfuck LotF was.

>>377524473
Its even useful in bossfights, if you can get enough hits in.
I'm using the implant that raises base energy to 20 or smth like that as well.
I only need to hit like 2 times with my twin rigged to use a free heal.

>>377524717
What are you, level 0?
I survive every one of these attacks without any bonus health implants and light armor.

>>377524724
What better flashlight? I tried different suits but its all different color shit. And hard to make combos when the enemies can just ignore your second attack and punch your head away.

>>377524717
Do you not upgrade armor?

I just did that place and was in the same situation until I started using HP and upgrading armor

>>377524907
Yeah right, bullshit.

>>377521164
I was gonna say Ignorance is bliss but the game is not nearly bad enough for your dismissal of this nitpick to be considered as "Ignorance".

Any advice for the first boss, other than to git gud?

>>377520658
Then don't go down it.

Gaming 101, reddit.

>>377524996
I got mk3 and around 200hp.

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>>377524724
>twin rigged
my negro, Firebug Throttle v.2.0 roasts these fools

>>377524928
Some suits have longer range, but i scarab does aoe light instead of directional. Well one of the chests, I cant remember exactly

>>377524717
thats the game telling you to stack more health, 200 is nothing great
the shoulder stun isnt out of nowhere, the launcher pops up for like 5 seconds before they shoot
target the tail on the dog bot and they go down quick, seriously stack more health and get better armor if youre still getting oneshot by them

>>377525048
Dont use his rockets against him, or you wont get the better version of his weapon.

>>377525048
Lynx armor, fast weapon, dodge like retard, do one hit, jump away, repeat for 30min.

>>377525048
Dodge forward into it
When its stomping with one leg hit the other
Ez

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>>377520407
>fall
all I can see is a small height difference

Why are there no reviews for this game?

is there anything different in ng+? finished this in about 10 hours and it says theres "NEW CHALLENGES" but i sincerely doubt that's the case.

>>377525379
I saw one give it a 68 and another give it a 75

Why? Most reviews are shit anymore

>>377525379
It's poor souls clone, 6/10. Here is your review.

>>377525486
From what I heard theres additional enemies like black tendency in DeS, probably new gear?

Additional areas as well maybe? Not sure how that would work but its what I heard

Do enemies feel like damage sponges or is it just me?

>>377525486
From what I've heard there is actually a lot of new stuff in NG+, like new weapons and enemies etc.
Also the game ends after NG+ I think, so no NG++ and so on.
P.S. I dont believe you only took 10 hours.

>>377525379
Found one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgeaIvo9Ui0

>>377525758
No fight takes longer than about 15 seconds for me.
But I'm glass-canoning this.

>>377525758
Target unarmored parts and upgrade weapons?
I 4 shot most human enemies the whole game if I wasnt getting gear
Robots are suppose to be that way when you arent hitting the weak point, same with demons in das.

I kind of love how you fight construction equipment, just wish there was more variety honestly. Game would easily go from 5.5 to 6.5 or 7 to me.

Gameplay and getting new gear is fun enough to keep me going though

>final boss twin rigged weapon
this thing is stupid broken holy fuck

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>>377525619
it appears i was wrong

How should i know which type of damage is best against enemies?

>>377522110
>>377523084
I genuinely don't know how you never got stuck.

>Area 3
>get the drone that lets you overload doors remotely
>OK, must be something in this area that I do this to to get to the boss
>Spend an hour and a half looking around for anything
>Nothing here
>Look it up
>Supposed to backtrack to the previous area and use it there

Genuinely mad

As for the green overload switches
>R&D department
>Progressing
>Use one
>No idea what it opened
>Find like 5 more throughout the level
>Absolutely no idea what they opened.

>>377527432
>area 3
Its small as fuck though, pretty easy to tell when you did everything in like 30 min tops.

>R&D overload switches
Yeah some of those are bullshit, I had no idea what door I opened until I went through the whole place twice at one point.
Should have made the dead giveaway of the rep pipe actually fucking connect to the door or elevator. A lot of them were required to progress though so your probably good.

There is a thread on the Steam forums where the devs participate and explain some of the more nuanced game mechanics, such as recovering injectables via scrap gain, charging drones to store energy post fight, and other useful things:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/378540/discussions/0/1290690669221499552/

>>377525758

Only if you attack armored parts.

>>377528483
Sure would be useful if they actually put those tutorials in game.

If you have cool mechanics and never explain them, they effectively don't exist.

>>377528483
>Filling the bar in the lower right by gaining scrap equal to your next level up refills your heals, letting you continue fighting.
>More scrap you carry, the bigger chance of triggering a stamina regen buff
>Storing energy to have a concussive drone ready 24/7 makes flamethrower enemies trivial
Lots of intricate stuff not fully explained in the game.

>>377528860
Eh I prefer to have little told in game, I learned most of the post just by playing.

BUT there should be a manual to look this shit up.

Vagrants in das1 and world tendency in des are in the same boat

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>lynx armor looks like shit
>its the best one in the game
>its also the one you begin with

>>377528860
It genuinely saddens me that you'll go through life thinking that.

took me 19 hours to complete it backtracking constantly to find all the worthless secret items
can't say i really had fun with the game
the more i think about the story, the less it makes sense.

>>377529210
nigga lynx armor is garbage

>>377529607
>backtracking constantly
>not just playing through the areas until you get all the stuff and then doing a once over for extras

Why do people torment themselves so much?

>>377529615
Defense makes no difference as far as i can tell and that attack speed + extra stamina are amazing.

>>377529769
>Defense makes no difference
I thought the same thing until I was past R&D with nothing upgraded but a few weapons. Damn that change was dramatic

>>377529769
Considering you get one-shot later on with shitty armor I'm inclined to disagree with you

>>377529752
in the first area there are 3 secret objects and areas that are unlocked by, in order:
drone upgrade
security key
level up

can't say it was worth it, but i did it

>>377529831
What's better then?

>>377529965
Nothing until you UPGRADE. I skipped to mk3 myself

Once you effectively double your defense youll notice a big difference.

>>377529457

There's no documentation on it anywhere.

Maybe pop it in a hint screen? Instead of such gems as

>You need a power core to power your exoskeleton

That's the problem. I discovered half those mechanics by dumb fucking luck. It sure would've been useful to know in the tutorial areas of the game, or let you have osme kind of in game manual to look shit up in.

Deck13 are just hack developers.

>>377529965
any set from mid game onward

i zone 3 there is a scenario where a door closes behind you once you walk through it and if you die in there it never opens again and fucks your save

>>377530227
lolwut

Thats as bad as my reliable ctd when I didnt save at OPS and was using the overlay

Which part? I dont remember a door doing that

>>377530360
The Heavy-Light-Light combos with the Firebug throttle is pretty nifty, but does anyone know if there's a way to control which combo actually comes out? Is it just based on which bodypart you're targeting? I've had it do the fireblast with backdash and the twin hit with fire ring, it would be nice to be able to use them both on demand.

>>377530360
its just before you meet chavez
and you see 2 flamethrower guys trying to bang a door open

>>377530539

R2/R2/R1 is the fire blast, R1/R1/R2 is the fire spin.

>>377529457
you are a garbage person.
stop posting

>>377530632
>Cucksole

>>377530632
Ah, thanks anon. Also looks like R2/R1/R1 does the fire spin too.

>>377530539
The combos are basically contextual on your previous moves.

From nothing there is always youre 2 base combos for weapons.
>>377530632

Sometimes your last move will "stay in the combo list", I use quotes becuase I dont know how to articulate this shit since I'm not a fighting game guy, longer than I noticed so a different move will come out than I expect.

You can also use that to chain some pretty sweet moves together though doing a different move out of a dash or lunge.

That or its all fucking a mess and I'm retarded

>>377528483
>>377528860
The drone charging thing is explained ingame.

>>377520407
at least it's not as bad as those water areas in souls where there's bottomless pits that you can't see because they're underwater so you just kind of have to know not to go out that far even if you're trying to dodge

>navigating through the catacombs releasing the fat chained demon in LotF

One of the worst videogame experiences of my life

I hope they improved their map design

>>377530539
Targeting specific body parts can change your combo starting point.

It's pretty fucking annoying with one handers attacking the right arm due to how shit the attack is

>>377530915
I sure hope you like access walkways, because I think no joke, 40% of the game is just the same copy-pasted tunnels.

>>377530915
Its a completely different thing.
Seperate areas with great level desgn in each one.

All it needs is variety and content, feels like its less than DeS. Combat has me though since its all so different. No stats even

wut gayme

>>377530989
I dont mind it since each area has a decent theme like was said before.

Open air spaces are always a surprise from the factory halls or giant open manufacturing areas.

Central processing has the best level design Ive seen in a while honestly

Its dumb they still have seperate areas though, I get it for distance sake but certain times you dont need it. Make it more seamless like dank souls since lotf had the same issue

>>377530989
It's not really surprising when you're traversing a factory. It does change things up eventually though

>>377531268
Atleast the areas are bigger than LotF, so that's an improvement. Atleast i think they're bigger

>>377531236
grayme

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>tfw my weapon deals so much damage that the enemies die before i have enough energy to rip them apart.

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>>377531362
Oh they are bigger, and way less corridoors somehow.

LotF had more space to traverse and felt like a a longer game and maybe even had more variety BUT it had the worst everything every. Content doesnt mean shit if its not good. Somehow they really made each area with great level design except maybe the first since its the very beginning and had to be easy. I think only having 1 checkpoint in each area and forcing the player to find shortcuts was a great idea.

>mfw the devs didnt do at least 7 bosses
Maybe dlc?

>>377531727
Good?

Get another for getting gear

>>377531727
i know that feel, have to use 2 +energy% implants if i target anything but armored body

>>377531727
You have weapon quickswap for a reason

>>377532119
Hopefully better than LotF "bosses"

Only 2 of those guys were any good.

>>377532897
I'm up to the 4th one so far. Hes proving to be the first real challenge in the game honestly

I hope normies like this enough for it to get dlc.

I dont see it doing as well on PC till a sale since I pirated it

I'm starting to think whoever said there's new armor and weapons in ng+ is a liar. I'm about to firebug and I haven't seen anything new at all but some guys who dodge a bit more and weren't there before but they don't even respawn. I haven't even seen anyone mention anything new specifically.

Jesus Christ those staff wielding assholes are raping my ass. The only weapon that does damage them is pax which is really slow and they can two hit combo me

I'm back in that central area after security appeared. Where the fuck do i go now?

>>377534142
Where security was since the first time you got there.

>>377531727
Once you get the energy injectable your only issue becomes not being able to knock them down to low enough health without killing them outright and you've got the drone for that.

>>377533540
Looked it up and its mostly what you said.

Enemies have randomized gear so you can get stuff early or something, gear keeps getting hgher tiers till ng+++ and mk XX

Added super secrets, not average items. Able to open lvl 80 door if you dint before

Too early for anyone to know for sure though

>>377534216
After checking all those doors i couldn't open cause i got no clearance of course it has to be the last place i would thought of. Thanks.

>>377520407
But couldn't they have easily fixed this problem by putting spikes or some type of dangerous thing? I feel like a small patch could fix this.

>Enemies with ranged weapons are more dangerous poking you with melee than enemies with melee weapons
Did anyone think this through?

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>>377536206
>Poison-chucking enemies
>Equip the rebreather implant
>Only canister impact does damage
>Their melee does half hp in damage

>>377534621
see
>>377522172