So this is SMT.... the dark and brutal RPG series that is too

Toki a shit

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>>377494257
Shut it

>>377494791
Best Makoto

>>377494865
Perverts can't be best anything

>>377494158
>>377494791
> smt fanboys shit on persona for being waifu shit back in the day
> smt fanboys how jack off to their own waifus daily

kek

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>>377495152

Whose a pervert!?

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I'm at the end of SMT IV:A now and I never saw this, was it just DLC or something? Also, YHVH's too hard.

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>waifuing humans

>>377494791
>>377496303
this fucking anatomy jesus christ the meme was true

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>>377495559
Strange Journey was the zenith of the series and the waifus.

>>377496876
>waifuing a stuck up demon cunt

Wasn't enough that they had to neglect fans of the series that saved them from developing shovelware like Friday the 13th. They had to incorporate the other series in to it so that the old fans have no haven.

>>377494865
>not Io

I could get into SMT if its gameplay and world building weren't so atrocious.

>>377496876
GET YOUR OWN WOMEN SHIT HEAD

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Leave Persona to me.

>>377496858
Yeah it's DLC. And yeah YHVH is really challenging. I had to go over level 100 to beat him and even used the Cleopatra DLC just because it makes my life easier.

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>>377496876

>>377497379
Piss off Larry

>>377497379
is she satan? Those colors remind me of Doi satan

>>377497861
She even has the tumor on her left arm.

>>377498383
Satan is not Lucifer, fucking newfag.

>>377498513
They are though.

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>>377497861
Related to Amon most likely

>>377498546
Well they aren't the same thing except in Apocalypse, which is one case in the multiverse

>>377494158
SMT being hard is a dumb special snowflake meme in the first place. It isn't.

>>377499670
Name a single JRPG that came out in the last 20 years that's hard.

>>377497379
I hate nukiko

>>377497168
Still waiting for Rockin' Kats 2.

>>377495559
>Not killing your friends

Its not my fault people played SMT4A wrong.

>>377494158
>joke DLC where they hallucinate that they're on a beach

Wow you sure showed me.

>>377499765
Dark Souls

>>377499978
We havent even seen her bossfight in Bootes yet, let's not jump the gun.
>>377497016
>once a man
>granny voice in IV/IVA
no thanks.

>>377499765
If there were 0 or 100 it wouldn't negate the point either way, so I'm not sure what you're driving at.

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>>377499765

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>>377500131
>dark souls is hard meme

>>377500248
It's not a JRPG either, retard

>that's the joke

>>377494791
>>377496303
Suzuhito Yasuda is one of the worst character designer of the whole video game industry.

>>377500248
It's the only non-turn based JRPG so it's hard by default

>>377500221
This, Resonance of Fate, The Last Remnant. Awaiting contrarianism.

>>377500408
>Dark Souls
>JRPG

I speak unto the filth

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>>377496876
>waifuing in general
>>377495559
Strange isnt it?

>>377500458
>The Last Remnant
Convoluted and unexplained systems, sure, but not hard.

>>377499765
Person A: Mentions a game series having a reputation for being hard
Person B: Points out that the difficulty reputation is falsely hyped up by overzealous fans to make the games seem more hardcore and special than they really are
Person C: "OTHER GAMES AREN'T HARD EITHER!"

If you can't see why that's retarded, you might be retarded.

I like MegaTen but that meme desperately needs to be retired.

>Persona 5 is harder than IV and IV:A
>Persona 5 has better level design than IV and IV:A

My, my how the tables have turned

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>>377500761
>if the MC dies in Persona 5 it's game over
>in SMT4 if he dies the game continues
Persona 5 is LITERALLY more hard core than SMT now

>>377500761
>>Persona 5 is harder than IV and IV:A
Have to disagree there, the Social Links break the fuck out of mid-late game balance. Strength and Sun, add some of Fortune with Maxing out links and you destroy the game.
Granted I'll give you palace, SJ was the last good dungeon design in mainline

>>377497016
>Law and Chaos where simplified as fuck for the newcomers
>Gameplay sucked after nocturne
>Demons were broken even by series standard
>Characters are meh
SJ was cancer of the series, we still can't have SMT threads without retards who learned about Law and Chaos from this game

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HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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>>377500846
>more elements
>spells aren't gimped by the shit smirk system
REALLY makes one ponder

>>377500761
>persona 5
>harder than IV

IV was pretty easy, I'll give you that, but Persona 5 was a cake wall.

>>377500905
Those models are so bad, why even bother making a PS4 version if you aren't going to make high poly models?
Should have used HD Sprites at that point.

>>377500871
>>Law and Chaos where simplified as fuck for the newcomers
>Law and chaos not shit tier from the first game
Only an idiot doesn't pick neutral excluding SMT2 and TDE because of content, Atlus can't do alignments where all three have convincing reps, endings and ideologies, SJ just had shitty endings with brainwashing while Neutral wank, and it's nothing new
>Demons were broken
How so? Outside of Jihad it was more that your MC got fucked over by random stat growth (I hope this isn't in DSJ).

>>377500848
Did you even play IV? It has some of the most broken as fuck demon fusion in the franchise and is also the most exploitable any game has even been for Tetrakarn/Makarakarn, which you can get like an hour into the game and start trivializing 99% of all boss fights, including optional ones you should be like 20 hours away from. What you said about P5 isn't wrong, but it's not even on the same level. At least P5 starts off as a game.

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FUCKING PERSONACHADS
EYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

>>377500905
persona has always been about style since the third game, yeah the main series getting relegated to handhelds seems strange but it sort of suits the main series as it tends to stay true to its roots, so its not really necessary to go all out on budget when they were always simplified.

Also considering the SMT mainline series is the sole reason that pokemon exists, it makes sense that its on handhelds, doesn't it?

>>377500761
P5 is absolutely not harder than IV:A. I'd even go so far as to say IV:A is the most difficult game form the series I've played.

>>377501209
Persona is the jap version of Graphics over Gameplay.

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>>377501209
>stay true to its roots

>>377500952
>No more preparing for instant kill
>Not a single hard boss besides Reaper/Twins
>First two dungeons are literally the only challenging part themselves on hard/Merc

People are really overhyped the difficulty of the early game of P5 since that is all it is. SMT4A alone is harder for Vishnu Flynn/Krishna/YHVH who aren't super notable but harder then anything in the main game of P5 by miles.

Actually kinda dislike and like P5s elements. It added more which was nice but they just exist to be more. Frei/curse are literally just new elements with nothing making them special. 4 elements and two kinds of instant kill were fine and then DDS changed hama to a % based damage skill which made it better.

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>this guy has been trying to force his low effort shitposting all this last week.

>>377501290
>mainline series is over 30 years old
>the most recent games in the series play like 30 year old games except with waifushit pandering and some QoL changes
yep

>>377501343
SMT4A plays like SMT1/2? Nigger you've never touched them in that case. SMT1/2 bosses in alot cases had like 3 fucking skills.

>>377501343
are you retarded? SMT 1/2 are totally different from Nocturne onwards.

>>377501209
>yeah the main series getting relegated to handhelds seems strange but it sort of suits the main series as it tends to stay true to its roots

IV and IVA aren't true to their roots. They're distinctly different than DDSMT 1-2, SMT 1-2, Nocturne and SJ.

>>377501305
So would difficulty overall be
IVA>IV>P5
Or
IVA>P5>IV?
If we take that the latter two only have a "hard" initial segment even with difficulty modes or not and they become broken/piss easy after the first dungeon?
>>377501343
>not a first person dungeon crawler
You slightly lost me.

>>377501563
SMT4A > P5 > SMT4

SMT4 stops being challenging after Medusa besides the DLC bosses flat out just a easy path to the end. SMT4A has some road blocks and P5s early game lasts longer before it gets easy.

>>377500761
5 does have better level design, but IV and A are definitely harder. 5 is the easiest game to max out your Slinks and you can run through all the palaces on your first try with no trouble. In fact 5 is actually easier than 3/4 because of no party swap and no broken Slink abilities.

>>377501738
Your ranking is right. Except IV never starts off challenging to begin with. It's not a matter of when it stops.

>>377499902
>>377496047
is this shit some edgy bad end route, or is it part of the actual story?

>>377501884
Canon route .
Law and chaos are bad routes.

>>377501884

It's an edgy good end. Also, they betray you first so they deserve it.

>>377496047
Goddamn that's edgy but I can't deny it was satisfying to do the same in Xillia 2.

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>>377501884
>shit some edgy bad end route
Lad

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>>377502007
hey now that sounds pretty cool

>>377502124
It honestly is

So I dropped smt4 for reasons, should I pick it up and again? Is it worth it? Or should I just replay one of the previous ones?

[Spoiler] I need to finish devil survivor 2 as well fuck [/Spoiler]

>>377502397
Play DeSu2 first. IV is honestly pretty boring and subpar all around. DeSu2 is too I guess, but at least it gets retarded enough to be amusing.

>>377502591

DeSu 2 is shit.

>>377502397

It depends. IV relies a lot on it's atmosphere and mystery because the actual plot is thin and meandering bullshit. I find its a lot less interesting on the second playthrough. IV:A basically fixes every problem with the game and is a contender for best SMT game of all time so if you don't want to play IV, just skip it for the sequel.

>>377503001
>relies a lot on atmosphere and mystery because the actual plot is thin and meandering bullshit
sounds like SMT for sure

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>>377500761
>>377501760
>better level design
>those last 2 dungeons

How can persona babbies even think this?

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>>377500761
>better level design
I know it's just a bait post, but its shocking that there are actual people out there who think Persona 5 has good level design. Persona hasn't had good level design since 1, which was the only game with actual design put into it.

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>mfw just finished diet building in Nocturne


Why was this so much better than Shido's dungeon in 5?

>>377500761
>you have to be stupid as fuck to NOT ambush every enemy you see because it's so easy to hide and initiate an ambush from far away
>retarded ass one more attack system is basically an infinite press turn for whichever party member has a weakness they can exploit
>all out attack is literally a free megido every time you knock all enemies down
>party members give you stupid bonuses like preventing fatal attacks, instantly holding up enemies, removing statuses, giving second chances at negotiation, and even fucking knocking down enemies if you attacked and it didn't knock them down
>bosses are a complete joke and even have events during them that severely weaken them if you're too stupid to kill them fast enough
>dungeons more creative in theme and presentation but are still gimmicky and very easy to get through
>literally has "highlight everything you can interact with" vision that, when coupled with the map and shit your party says, makes it impossible to not know where to go or what to do to progress
>skills are all just boring "light/medium/heavy/severe damage single target or mutliple target" or ailment shit
>fucking added nuclear, psychic, and gun, which does nothing but bloat the number of affinities

The ONLY thing this game has is that the levels are bigger and more creative in theme and presentation because it had a bigger budget and more development manpower.

>>377503095
You could probably sum up most of the series, Persona included with that. That's the plot structure of most RPG'S, really.

>>377496858
If you are in bonds route, let Flynn's party die. I found it easier that way.

>>377503232
>Persona hasn't had good level design since 1, which was the only game with actual design put into it
>P1
>good level design

Literally when? Just because it isn't a Tartarus variant like 3-5 doesn't mean it's good. 1's dungeons are crap. The only good part about them is that they aren't as long.

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>SMTfags unironically pretend that they enjoy games like picrelated, when characters not even appear on the screen
my sides

>>377501242
Play SJ.

>>377503232
P1 had one of the worst level design in the entire series, full of mazes with no clever tricks at all. I really want to believe that you are baiting (if you are, grats, you got me), but if you are not then your opinion is objectively incorrect.

>>377503489
>a spinoff game with terrible gameplay that's still better than half the series it spawned from has no characters onscreen either

>>377503232
Still better than a good chunk of the IV duology's to be fair, IVA at least had more thought

>>377501305
>DDS
Did it start with DDS? I remember Persona 1 having the same thing. Then again, they both had Tadashi Satomi.

>>377503489
>bad because you don't see the characters

This is ancient DQ bait, just a PSA for any newfriends around.

Where do I start with SMT?

>>377503627
As in P5.

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>>377495559
yeah but it's not all what we talk about, unlike persona shitters

>>377503123
The last two dungeons doesn't invalidate the whole game. Castle and Casino are better designed than anything from IV/A.

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>>377503489
This is why is said these are the only SMT games that matter

>>377503281
Diet Building is the only good dungeon.

Then again, Tower of Kagutsuchi was such a fucking cancer that I forgot how other dungeons even looked like.

>>377503828
>The last two dungeons doesn't invalidate the whole game

They do, the final bosses dungeon is not allowed to be shit

>>377503767
Now

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How can anyone enjoy the Devil Summoner games when the art is so fucking horrible?

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>there are people that actually think YHVH's universe is good level design

>>377503865
>Diet Building is the only good dungeon.

The 3rd kapla was pretty good with dante's shenanigans, cat and mouse game was funny and was something fresh beyond mere fight through a maze

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>>377503831
>Nocturnebabby

>>377503812
>female tico
Gross

>>377494158
SMT has been a joke since the 7th gen

>>377503464
If you press Turns with Jonathan and Walter (excpet for the occasional Magaon), Flyn may get more chances to use his Godslayer Sword skill

>>377503831
>same broken English in both posts

Really makes you think.

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>>377503828
What? A boring castle with nothing interesting in it and a casino where the only unique mechanics are a dark room that makes you hold down the vision button and a couple battles you fight by yourself (at a point in the game where you could solo every battle easily anyway)? The dungeons in P5 just made me irritated, SMT games either have good gameplay and bad dungeons, vice versa, or are terrible at both.

>>377494158
SMT is just a mobile spinoff

>>377503914
IV also had a terrible pair of final dungeons. 5 still have better level design than IV/A. Those final dungeons, Space, Shido's and Mementos don't invalidate the whole game. Only good dungeon in IV/A is the well and YHVH's dungeon.

>>377504018
fujo pls

>>377504018
>male tico
gau

Isn't this the series where you have to follow the guide exactly how it's written if you want something other than the "Everyone Fucking Dies" ending?

>>377504242
>IV also had a terrible pair of final dungeon

They still wasn't a mere rehash of a single puzzle to pad the entire dunegon so no, IV/A still has superior design.

And yes they do invalidate a game because the entire game is builded up towards them

>>377503914
So Cosmic egg and YVHV's universe is under the same standards?

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>>377504367
You're thinking of Persona. Although Megami Tensei II probably comes close if you're a chaosfag

>>377501183
If you don't abuse the outrageous final SL power ups, P5 is actually a well designed and balanced game even in the end. The same goes for IVA. IV is unfixably broken

Jack Bros. > Devil Summoner (drpg and arpg eras) > DDSaga > SMT > If/Persona > Majin Tensei > Devil Survivor > DDStory MT

>>377504514
They're not on her waist at all.

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>>377504367
no it's the serious where you have to follow the guide exactly how it's written if you want the "Everyone Fucking Dies" ending boyo

>>377503604
I have and I think IV:A is harder. Only really hard part about SJ is navigating those teleporter mazes. The final boss and their instakill is annoying, but it's not YHVH in IV:A annoying.

>>377504137
The castle has a bunch of interconnected layers that all loop back around, like using the elevator on the top floors to get back to the entrance so the player can have a quick route back. I don't understand how it's boring when it's only part of 5 plot that actually good.

>>377504426
The dungeons in IV/A are literally just straight corridors with no variation or alternate pathways. The dungeon design in IV Is literal dogshit that never gets good.

>>377503973
>he fell for the strange journey "fuckhuge confusing maze = god-tier level design" meme

Persona will never be hard as long as you have all out attacks and some random slut buffing and healing you

>>377503973
YHVH's Universe isn't so bad. It seems like it's far too big, but it actually doesn't take too long to get through. The Sun in DDS2 was much more of a pain to go through.

>>377505103
>Complaining about all out attacks while SJ-fags are still cumming over demon coop

>>377503973
>There are people who think SMT ever had great level design
Half the endgame levels are boring warp dungeons and no game can really pace shit well as a crawler recently.
>>377505103
Navigators were a mistake. Why not just put them as party members than wasting an arc for a guy you can't use?

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>only realized buffs stack in the very last dungeon of SMT IV (my first SMT game)
>only realized you can switch party members mid battle AFTER completing P5 and I struggled super hard to beat the final boss because all my party members had no SP
Am I too retarded to continue playing this series?

>>377505202
I have never seen anyone lump heavy praise on Demon Co-op. I've seen people say they like it, but not act like it's amazing. I think if it were incorporated into Press Turn in some way it could be good, but it doesn't stand on its own. It's like if IV somehow had Smirk without the Press Turns to go with it..

>>377505273
>switch party members mid battle
W-what?
How?

>>377505273
Eventually it clicks and no game becomes hard.
It's all the same after a while.
Stack buffs, exploit weaknesses and use charge _ phys

>>377504514
>Your hand is on m waist.
>It's actually on her back and her thigh.
????????????????????????????????

>>377501305
Frei, eiha, and kouha aren't new to Persona.

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>>377505273
It's okay anon, I didn't put one point into MAG in Raidou 2 so by the final boss my team could only use their magic for the first phase and I had to just keep whacking it afterwards. It was a shit boss anyway, but that did not help.

>>377505429
It's one of Hifumi's bonuses, you just open the tactics menu and you can switch them out.

>>377505029
The dungeons in IV are straight corridors, the ones in IVA are not. IVA has proper dungeons.

>>377504902
>have been told neutral ending is extremely hard to get on SMT IV without a guide.
>Get it first try.
>Have been told there's a point where Dagda/Navarre fucks with your demons or items.
>Never happened to me.
>Find out later the only way this could possibly happen is if you were in such a small threshold that picking either side would bare no consequences.
I guess I am just a truly neutral person.
Dagda was right, and Dagda's ending is by far one of, if not the best SMT endings ever.

>>377504850
>>377505484
3ds limitations prease understand

>>377505429
Shogi girl social link

>>377500579
If you're too dumb to understand how TLR works you shouldn't post.
But I agree with you that it's not that hard, Unlimited is much worse.

>>377505273
SMT games become easier as the way to play them becomes second nature to you. Invariably, the hardest SMT games are always your first few.


Except for Innocent Sin or IV, those games are just raw easy.

>>377505202
>Comparing a fucking huge attack that works on every single enemy that also can proc off crits. Versus, a small attack boost that scales directly to how well your party is composed. That is, the less alignments of your own, the less damage it does.
Co-Op was great because it forces you to be wary of which demons you use. People get mad at not having press turn because they rely so fucking heavily on it that they're upset that the game actually becomes hard when it's gone.

>>377496303
Those boobs look fine if she was hanging upside down

>>377505749
All out attacks are only useful in saving sp . It does less damage than using another attack strong against them, especially in p5 where you can baton pass

>>377505595
There are dungeons that I mention that aren't just straight corridors (fairy forest I forget to mention) but the level design isn't up to par with the previous games.

>>377505749
Well lets not get ahead of myself, I quite like demon co-op for forcing you to use demons based on your alignment, but the flow of comboing turns and reducing enemy's turns makes Press Turn the most fun RPG battle system.

One More used to suck since its just gimped PTS, but the addition of hold-up and attaching negotiations to that end works really good

>>377505749
>wary
>bonuses are only great for early game, Co-Op gets thrown out of the bus becase minimal returns and MA only fucks you over because of alignment and her general difficulty curve but at that point you start getting good shit on late game demons of all allignments
I dunno man.

>>377505973
Actually I think the only really linear dungeon in IVA is the well and it hides it well. Every other dungeon is more open, even if they're not SJ labarynthes they're pretty on par with the other 3D game dungeons.

>>377505749
That's because press turn was always a mistake that makes combat easier, and not harder and deeper contrary to popular meme belief. These are the same people who think Brave/Default is a good mechanic even though it's literally just building a combat system around an exploit. The fact that the enemy can use these systems too doesn't change anything, other than occasionally getting curb stomped before you get a chance to act, which is not depth or challenge; it's merely annoying.

SMT was always shit they needed waifus in Persona just to distract people from the awful everything else.

I've played Nocturne. I've played IV. I've played IV: Apocalypse. I've played SJ. I've played both Devil Survivors.

What the fuck is left for me?

>>377506321
I wouldn't call press turn a mistake, and I actually do believe it makes the game deeper in a way, however I mostly agree that it's far too easy to exploit. Then again, these games are balanced around such a mechanic, so SJ not having it, without retooling the formula of the game, it really showed just how much of a crutch it is.

>>377503973
literally nothing wrong with it

Tsukiji Kongangi was worse

>>377506370
Play the actually good games in the series, Megami Tensei I and II and Shin Megami Tensei I and II

>>377506370
>I've played all the entry level stuff, what's next?
Are you serious, my man? Btw, I don't say that as an insult, SJ is by far the best SMT game. The point is, now that you've levered yourself into the series, it's only natural to go back and play older games.

>>377494158
you are so funny hahaha

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>>377506370
raidou

>>377500846
>He didn't play on Apocalypse difficulty
>claims P5 is harder than SMTIV:A
Heheheheheheheheheheehheeheh

>>377506516
>encounter rates

Never again, DDS was the lowest I'm ever going through playing a game with annoying encounter rates

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>>377506370
DDS 1 and 2

>>377506370
play soul hackser, you nigger.

Then Aspect Raidou and DDS.

>>377506370
The second Devil Summoner. The first one too if you can read moongook scribblins.

>>377505619
Agreed

>>377506540
>best smt game is just a shitty EO clone
SAD!

>>377506591
>Increase miss rate
>hard

>>377506591
I hate apocalypse, War is perfect.

>>377506785
It's a way less annoying EO as far as party composition is concerned.

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>>377505273
>>377505429
Do you guys just like, button mash through text?
Read damn it, the game literally holds your hand for the first 20 hours.


That being said I find it weird that they hide demon negotiation / personality types deep in the menus, you can literally fool proof recruit any demon if you play to their personality and the shit cat never tells you.

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>tfw when Xylophones became metal

In a game where you play samurai who summon demons to fight both angels and other demons, this song works too well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik

>>377505735
>Finish a couple of MegaTen games
>Pick up IS save near the end of the game
>Struggle with it because I've been using the handout personas and didn't bother fusing anything else

Just fuck my shit up.

>>377506867
>SMTard can't handle basic wizardry party building
SADDER!

>>377506817
>>377506859
Apocalypse is better than War because enemies hit/evasion is more realistic for the player. On lower difficulties, it favors the player, while it's pretty even on Apocalypse between the player and enemies. Don't be upset that you can't go 100% str or 100% mag.

Also, my point was that you get game over if the protag dies.

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>>377506630
What are you talking about, those games have a perfect encounter rate. It adds to the difficulty, alongside Magnemite having to make you think about whose in your party and making lower level demons still viable compared to begin able to waltz around in other games with all of your high level demons.

>>377506321
Press Turn isn't a bad mechanic per se, it's just implemented terribly to the point that all that matters is that, I'd argue that the problem is that SMT has often incorporated a Press Turn like mechanic since Nocturne, either in the form of Smirks or Baton Pass, and none of those games really deviated much from the Press Turn idea of making Criticals far too important for their own good so that the majority of the games revolve around criticals with all other stuff taking second place at best.
>>377506370
Rye Dough, SMTI/II and If...

>>377506785
>SAD!
back to T_D

>>377506785
EO is a favorite series of mine. please don't shitpost with it. EO and SMT SJ have absolutely nothing in common besides a first person view.

>>377506897
SMT IV has the most underrated soundtrack of any game ever.

>>377500304
I like him.

>>377506968
I fucking miss Magnetite. I understand why they took it out but having to think strategically of who you had in your party and even how many party members you had active was super cool.

>>377506958
>more realistic
Sure.
The best thing is the kill player thing but war's more better overall

>>377506591
desu I played on apocalypse and found P5's early game at least more difficult than IVA's

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>>377506817
>missing
>not having 900+ agility on all of your demons and making even the 9th cycle fiends fear you
H O Y
O
Y

>>377506968
>What are you talking about, those games have a perfect encounter rate

>move 3 steps
>forced in shit fights
>have to solve some long ass maze dungeon like this

Nah it was annoying ass fuck, unavoidable encounter rates are artificial difficulty anyways

>>377507159
More realistic in the sense that you have the same miss chance as your opponent. I invested plenty in Ag and Luck, and I almost never missed aside from the early-game.
>>377507298
IV:A is consistently hard and is pretty challenging towards the end unless you grind or minmax

>>377507006
>it's just implemented terribly to the point that all that matters is that

Atlus has that problem with designing combat systems in general. The same can be said of Sessions. And holy fuck it sure would have been nice to be able to cancel them or skip the animations/turn them off altogether. Because it got old after about an hour.

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>>377500905
;)

>>377507578
>#FE
>not a spinoff
Besides you'll get more posts at people salty over the game's crossover nature than Persona fags

>>377507578
>fire emblem game
>smt

>>377507578
P5 looks way better.
But when was the buttmad around #FE so good.

>>377505429
Best girl Hifumi has best level 10 Confidant Ability. Swap out allies on their turn instead of wasting Joker's turn. So fucking good.

>>377507841
>Best girl Hifumi
She should have been a thief.

>people keep shitposting about #FE

i wonder how long it'll take for everyone to realize it was actually a great game.

>>377507369
DDS was tame compared to the first two SMT games, though I'll admit DDS2 final dungeon was quite something without any save spots in the last parts

>>377506817
>use bind
>use buffs
>never miss

>>377507578
And #FE had way less dev time

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>>377507991
>idolshit
>good


There's a reason why that other idolshit that Atlus released recently bombed, nobody likes Idolshit

>>377507991
>Normalfags EVER admitting a moe/anime/toojap/weeb game is actually good

In which fucking universe are you living in

>>377507991
I have no opinion because I've never played, but I never will play it because of the bait-and-switch. Why even bother using Fire Emblem or SMT if you were basically going to make nothing but OCs?

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>>377505103
>random slut buffing and healing you

>>377507716
nigga P5 was a downgrade from Catherine.

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>>377494257
K-KISAMA!!!

>>377508025
>DDS was tame compared to the first two SMT games

You see, i'm annoyed with DDS's encounters which is why i'm not gonna get back in to the older SMT games since they were even much worse and fuck that. You think DDS ones are alright since you managed to finish off the old titles.

>>377508115
Navarre is pure

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>>377506968
>SMT I
>difficulty

>>377508115
>guaranteed AoA every something turns
DEFEND THIS

>>377507991
The combat and dungeon is good, everything else is shit. Especially the OST and story. Persona 4 has more depth to them than any character from #FE.

>>377508213
Yeah, I guess. I didn't mention that Estoma is much more effective in those games, though, so they end up being very playable

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When is the right time to do the 5th kapla? Beat the diet building and supposed to go to tower area as the last dunegon

>>377507991
>look at me I'm so contrarian

Even if you ignore everything else (because let's face it, a person going "lol hurr idolshit it r bad" doesn't even prove they played it), the gameplay was awful and mindnumingly tedious. How anyone could have not hated Sessions making every battle unnecessarily long by the end of the game is beyond me.

I NEED TOKI

>>377508115
LEAVE NAVARRE ALONE

I'm doing the Obelisk in Nocturne at the moment.
I think this game might actually be killing me.

>>377508353
If you enter said tower area your route gets locked in, so you have to completely finish the Amala Labyrinth before you enter it if you want to do the True Demon Ending

>>377508353
Right about now. I think if you enter the tower you get locked down on the ending

>>377507298
Early game P5 Merciless mode will always be easy because of baton pass and tech attacks.

>>377508082
>>377508105
get over your preconceptions you had when you first saw SMTxFE. games change. i hate idol shit personally had a (now ex) girlfriend who would pester me with love live non-fucking stop but it's a solid SMT-lite game that only has the loosest connections to fire emblem. it really should have been called #SMT

>>377508334
i think the point i should have hit home is that i love the combat and dungeons as well. characters/story is a hit or miss for people, as always. i couldn't give a shit about persona 4's world at all.

>>377508375
you're not wrong, but i was okay with it. i enjoyed the complete package

>>377508349
So they're not like Nocturne's where even if you and your party are higher level, you still get dragged in to fights?

Estoma was only useful in that shit when you're 30 levels above the area

>>377508353
You're supposed to finish the labyrinth before ever stepping foot inside the tower of kagutsuchi, entering it locks you out of the true demon ending.

>>377508513
I don't care, i refuse to play any idolshit in my games

>>377501343
I fucking with SMT still had the mob system.

>>377508523
If I'm not mistaken Estoma in the SNES games repel every single encounter until you leave the area lol, so yeah way better than Nocturne's. SMT1 is pretty busted in general but it's still a nice experience

>>377508523
Never noticed in the games but I think Level doesn't matter in those games

>>377508513
Uh, no? They teased it as a cross over and they gave me an original game with very few call out to the "cross over franchises."

I won;t shit on a game I've never played, but Im also not ever playing it.

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>>377500703
And then non-fan of said series try it out and fall for the meme.

>>377507991
The gameplay is just serviceable in a franchise that has tons of other options that are much better. Everything else was just really janky and not fitting for a mainline MT game.

>>377508836
>teased it as a crossover
>it's not
>upset about one trailer that was from an e3 like 2 years before the second trailer that showed #FE

it's just irrational man. imagine not giving a game a chance for such a banal principle.

>>377509080
>Hey son, I'm going to buy you a brand new car in a couple of years.
>Here son, it's a 2000 ford taurus, your new car.

>>377509080
It is a crossover. It's just not the one anyone wanted and instead was years late to attempt to capture the idol audience.

I want Toki to step on my dick and balls

>>377509693
>not even the best chaosfag
Fuck off Tokifags

>>377509668
>years late to attempt to capture the idol audience.
Didn't the merch and concerts sell really well?

Say something nice to my Flynn!
>Agidyne
>Concentrate
>Tetrakarn
>Marakarn
>Fog Breath
>Mediarama
>Cold World
>Megido

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>>377509080
>announce a game called FIRE EMBLEM CROSS SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI
>trailer is nothing but SMT and FE characters
>game turns out to be Hatsune Miku Persona Quest Guest Starring Marth from the Fire Emblem Series
>WOOOW what did you expect why are you mad?
it's especially bad because both series have been suffering from over-weebification.

>>377509881
>Megido

>>377509881
I'll say something nice about him once he embraces the World of STR. And don't say STR is shit in SMTIV, it's no excuse.

>>377509859
Beats the shit out of me, but the actual game didn't do that amazing in Japan and bombed abroad.

>>377509881
Here's the best skill load out for Flynn
>grand tack
>heavens bow
>charge

You don't need anything else, magic is for newfags

>>377509693
>Terrible fetish
>Terrible Toki
Like pottery.

>>377510387
By grand tack, I meant whatever Demoneehos special Almighty attack is. I can't remember it's name, was it Desperate hit?

How would you feel if they announced TMS#FE was canon to both SMT and FE making the two series connected?
Its already a canon FE game

/v/tards should fuck off from /smtg/.
Fucking persona cancer.

>>377510558
>implying it isn't already via amala bullshit

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>>377507716
>P5 looks way better.
Nice joke.

>>377510558
Pretty sure it's officially regarded as being a far-flung, locked off sector of the Amala multiverse, so in a multiversal sense it is canonically in the SMT multiverse. So is Persona.

How is it canon to FE, though? I hadn't heard about that.

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>>377510558
>Implying Ciphers is canon
I banish you to /feg/ for a gorillion years.

>>377510576
Stay on your boring circlejerk anon.
>smt threads outside of waifuthreads are actually decent all things considering when they actually talk about the series

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>>377510947
Would you be happy with Jack Frost appearing in FE and FE demons appearing in SMT?
What about if this guy was in SMT Switch as a secret boss?

>>377510947
Demi-Fiend and Raidou basically have a built in cameo excuse

>>377508136
No. You don't know shit about graphic tech. Catherine was a cinematic puzzles. Is a RPG showing more than 10 characters on screen frequently. It still looks way better than #FE
Fuck you.

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>>377511501
>be THIS delusional

>>377511020
>The delusion
Though fight against a 10 year old console right? Kek

>>377511630
>can't see shit
>same model cloned, no impact on ram
>empty environment

Impressive.

>>377511020
Was that supposed to prove him wrong?

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>>377511457
If they do make another game they need more SMT references or characters flat out in the story and more of the great FE redesigns like that one.

>>377511832
;-;

>>377512152
>Hee-Ha Mart
One fucking job

>>377512206
Apparently Jack Frost has a hard trademark on Hee Ho

>taking the time to max a Confident/Social Link gets you bonus fusion exp and a side bonus like money or items or whatever
>killing a Confident/Social Link maxes you out instantly but you only get fusion exp and the exclusive Persona
What wud u do?

>>377503930
He said where, not when. Idiot.

>>377513005
Depends on what else I could be doing with the time I spend maxing social links.

>>377494158
N-new ones don't count!

>>377513180
Going to sleep early to reach the next chapter faster.

>>377513415
>Go to sleep early
>Game progresses more quickly
>Get bonus stats for tackling dungeons because you sleep so soundly
They all die. I can finish the game by myself.

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>>377494158
>can be beaten at lvl 9 on the hardest difficulty

pretty sad. can't pull that on any of the real SMT games

>>377513667
>Using NG+ and/or DLC demons
I do agree though. Are they weaker than Liz and Margret though?

>>377494158
I wanna fuck that dog.

>>377513850
>Using NG+

how else do you fight them..

>>377513940
Right right, shit's still broken.
Looked it up, Apparently they don't react to the whole block damage type shit that the others do, that's weird.

>>377513850
You do need to be on NG+ to even fight them. And yes, they are a hell of a lot weaker than Liz or Maggie.

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>>377494158
I think Persona fags are getting plenty hard enough.

>>377513850
Gameplay wise, yes, they're much weaker. Lore wise, probably also yes. Margaret, Theodore, Elizabeth and Lavenza are real Velvet Room attendants created by Philemon. Caroline and Justine were created by Yaldabaoth tearing Lavenza in half.

>>377514514
>unfair
>personafags are filthy degenerate casuals

sounds about right

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>>377514514

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>>377514514
Found a picture of last year's orgy.

>>377514618
>they're much weaker

Elizabeth is the true bullshit boss but I disagree with margaret. they have a last phase that are completely random. a damage check after several turns and you must kill them at the same time. margaret damage check comes after 50 turns and her phases are predictable throughout the battle

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>>377514514
If I show up as Mothman they can't turn me down.

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>>377514514

This is bad as the undertale orgy

>>377500304
Faggot

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>>377514514

>>377502049
SHUT UP DAGDA

YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD

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>>377514514
What caused these sons of man to be led astray?

>>377515883
KILL
YER
FRIENDS
BOYO

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Any SMT without random encounters?

SMT I AND SMT II 3D REMAKE WHEN EVEN A FUCKING 3DS REMAKE WOULD BE FINE

>>377515883
can't spell dagda without dad

>>377500304
t. homo

>>377516039
Devil Survivor

>>377515992
They're more like acquaintances and co-workers desu, Navarre's the only one I care about.

>>377515950
persona

>>377515386
Literal perfection how can other demons compete?

>>377515950
>sons of man

"bitches" is the word you're looking for warrior of light

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>>377516502
They can't.

>>377513850
<[(neutralfags)]> are just chaosfags in disguise, not even Philemon can save them now

>>377505029
>The castle has a bunch of interconnected layers that all loop back around, like using the elevator on the top floors to get back to the entrance so the player can have a quick route back.

Too bad none of that matters since you can just teleport between safe rooms.

Did P5 or IVA have the better Hawaii trip?

That YHVH fight in SMT4A really made the Yaldabaoth seem even worse.
Quality fight.

>>377507991
why are these fags posting in SMT thread

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So the 5th kapla door is basically asking for the Pixie you get from the start, would it matter if i get the chick from the compendium?

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>>377517394
Apocolypse's was more entertaining, I didn't really get if the scenes in P5 were supposed to be serious or funny. I don't usually like these kinds of scenes but at least in Persona 4 and Apocalypse the characters made the scene work. In 5 all of the characters are so flat I just felt bored and wanted to skip it.

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>>377517679
No, but if you still have a demon that can trace it's fusion heritage to her that'll work, its supposed to look unique on your demon list. Nocturne is dumb.

>>377517498
>YHVH
>actually difficult
>has a cool gimmick with godslayer sword and the 2 parties that doesn't feel super forced
>rejecting beatitudes/roast session
>badass second form
>badass music
>is the real deal God

>yaldabaoth
>long and tedious but not really hard
>no real gimmicks except getting slightly stronger as the fight goes on and its arm bullshit
>the, uh...7 deadly sins? satan shooting god in the face to save christmas XD?
>two phase boss but feels really more like one
>theme is just ok
>is some fake pansy pretending to be God
Embarassing desu. How will personabetas ever recover?
>b-but it takes place on a bigger screen!
Lol

>>377517378
Yeah, safe rooms killed the dungeon design is 5. There were too many of them and there's no need for a Goho since you can just teleport where ever you want.

>>377518483
>no need for a Goho

I forgot this even existed in the game

>>377516057
Digital Devil Story 1-2 too.

>>377518118
Cool, is there any reason why the doors won't let me use dante?

>>377515950
>create man to be flawed
>be absent from their lives for long ass time
>be surprised when they go full retard

>>377518683
YHVH is the worst dad ever.

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https://youtu.be/q5HvECi1SZs
>the fiend boss theme in nocturne sounds like a remix of this

>>377518287
>YHVH
>is the real deal god

It's not. It's a panty twisted rogue avatar of the real deal god, the Great Will/Axiom.

>>377501005
It's a ps3 game with a ps4 port dumbass.

>>377519305
No, YHVH is the real, Christian god who tore down Babel and gave mankind 'free will' and fucked up Lucifer. The Axiom is the true creator and overseer of the entire amala network of SMT but he's not the guy in the Bible

>>377519305
stop with this meme, you didn't understand anything of what Stephen said.

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>SMT4
>"kill five macabre hordes"
>it's a big pain in the ass, but kill them all
>fucking david spawns on the heels of the last
>stumble onto his weakness, start exploiting it
>suddenly BLIGHT, BLIGHT, BLIGHT, BLIGHT, BLIGHT
i'm okay with games fucking my face wide open, but i would like any forewarning before it happens. the number of times i've been ambushed and wiped by a pack of demons that just spawns unavoidably close to me as i enter a new room is already off the charts.

what should i spend my app points on? it's been mostly skill slots for demons so far.

>>377519643
>trusting Stephen
He's not even the one who tells you these things

>>377511724
Yeah that literally looks like a PS2 game upscaled not sure why he's trying to shitpost with it.

>>377518287
>MY FINAL BOSS CAN KICK YOUR FINAL BOSSES' ASS

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>>377518287
>yaldabaoth
>is some fake pansy pretending to be God
He's the Demiurge, that's the entire point. I take it you don't know much about Gnosticism.

>>377519715

Snag the MP Recovery apps as soon as they show up.

>>377501884
if you choose to kill them you also get to choose your reaction to doing so. I think all of them are "sentimental kill" (this) and just being silent

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>>377519807
He's not even the "real" SMT demiurge, just another broken off piece of Nyarlathotep

>>377519305
the real godDES is the true shin megami tensei

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>>377519786

*blocks your path*

Do bonafide gods and demons even exist in Persona beside Phil and Nyaruko?

>>377519786
Well yes he could. YHVH is much stronger than the Demiurge, after all.

>>377519807
Just because that's the entire point of the Demiurge doesn't mean it's any less true.

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>>377519062
I'm not hearing this. Sounds like taken from SMT1 chaos theme to me