>No stupid one hour games >No stupid hyper carry that can

>Running around in a giant rape train is the only way to win in casual and low rank matches
>Rape train only splits up if objectives require it and are valuable enough
>Outright beat enemy in EXP even if enemy reliably tries to farm all 2/3 lanes
Genuinely noggs my joggin.
It's still fun tho.

>>377484725
t. 3k shitstain

>>377485150
>Outright beat enemy in EXP even if enemy reliably tries to farm all 2/3 lanes
Not even close. Unless somehow the team is dumb enough to die dozens of times, if your team roams in a pack of 5 they will fall behind if the other team is in all three lanes.

>>377485405
I'm a 6K Dota 2 player and I think Heroes Of The Storm is a better game than Dota 2.

>>377484725
I prefer HOTS as well. Has anything like Abathur come to the other two yet?

why do people complain about azula? just walk out of her shit or dive her, it's not hard.

I only play it while listening to podcasts because it feels like a waste of time not doing anything else.

>>377485668
It's just not a bit fun to lie on the internet, anon

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>>377486620
Not him, but I also got to 5.9k mmr in Dota 2 and I also think HotS is a better game, do I have to screenshot my dotabuff and my hours played for you to believe me? I dropped to 5.5k

>find a group for QM stuff
>win a couple games
>end up losing one
>everyone doesnt ready up for another
>they all make up excuses and leave one by one

Every time

>>377487109
It's a MOBA. It's easy to lose any drive to continue.

>>377484725
My issue is the lack of depth. I get bored playing a hero more than a handful of times, eventually I run out of heroes, and then I'm stuck because Blizzard expects you to either grind a shitton or pay money to get the rest of the cast. Dota 2 doesn't have this problem, you get the entire roster for free, and there's lots of different potential strategies and builds to go for so every game is different.

>>377484725
game sucks, thread sucks, you suck.

>>377484725
>Was it really that bad before 2.0?

No it was basically the same game, but there was no stuff to incentivize continuous play.

>>377487190
Its not-a MOBA, its-a Hero BRAWLER

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>>377484725
> >No stupid one hour games
> >No stupid hyper carry that can 1v5 the whole team, not even Li-Ming
> >No pointless farming around the map for 40 minutes
> >No running around the map pointlessly waiting for someone to get caught, because there are objectives

So what you're saying is, Vainglory.

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>>377484725
>Take away all the actual meat and potatoes behind a MOBA/DotA/ARTS/ASSFAGGOTS
>make it a deathball so bad even dunkey can't spin it into a positive
>throw in stupid vanity shit minute one of hour one of day 1
>when still no one plays, make other battlenet games give up some specially made skins for them so they have to play your shitty game just so they can pad stats on how many people "downloaded" your atrocity
>keep stretching out the gear for other games, because no one gives 2 shits and a shake about the game you're currently playing
I swear even mobile games aren't this terrible

>>377484725
Only difference between 2.0 and old system was the progression and loot boxes, everything else was just the same.

>>377487597
Tell me anon, what is your benefit of lying on the internet like this?

>>377487597
>e-celebs

>>377487597
But the best part are team fights.

>>377486837
>You have to autistically play Dota 2 for this long or people will rapidly and blindly insult you because "ur juzt bad XD"
What if I just didn't like the game because it was too fucking tedious? I'm not slogging through match after match to get good at something that I don't like doing because it feels like a chore.
But of course a Dotard is just going to call me a faggot or something because I didn't play their game long enough despite the game itself failing to hook me in.

>>377487597
I actually love hots because e-celebs won't be able to ruin it, Hots is a game which is only fun if you actually play it, so faggot streamers won't be able to milk it for views since everyone will fuck off.

>>377484725
The biggest gripe I have with HOTS and why I refuse to touch it out of principle is that they're copying League of Legends' formula.

It was okay when LoL did it, LoL was such a unique and addictive game that the grind for characters could be excused and they also got a pardon for it at the time because Riot was such a small independent company and they needed the money. I know this sounds absurd today, but back in 2010, LoL was THE game

There is zero reason why HOTS should have the pay/grind for characters. Fuck them, Blizzard is rich, they can keep the game afloat with cosmetics just like DOTA2 does. I refuse to be apart of it.

>>377487597
>"meat and potatoes" of a moba is last hitting a mindless cpu drone and taking on the same cookie cutter items that add or subtract magic ability/damage

Ah, no wonder MOBAs are all awful.

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxWKr6xLKI
>a semi comical video knocking the corner cutting of HotS
>back in 2014
>holds up perfectly 1/3 of the way into 2017
i honestly feel embarrassed for anyone who even considers downloading this game, officer d.va and oni genji reward included

>>377488028

Dyrus played HotS though. He's been playing quite a lot the last few months.

>>377488082
It isn't similar to LoL much at all. Of all the MOBAs available, HOTS is the most unique one.

HoTS is fun but there is no motivation to play. Lose or win, I don't really care.

>>377484725

It was the same right before 2.0. Only difference was you didn't have all talents immediately, but that was over a year ago. 2.0 is lootboxes, genji, and hanamura. Oh skins used to only be unlocked by paying realbux.

>>377484725

Started playing this recently and having a blast so far. I'm finding it much more enjoyable than LoL, due to the fact that it forces you to fight much more often.

Playing Valeera and ganking people while roaming is stupidly fun

>>377488205
It's fun

>>377488904
>it forces you to fight much more often
How pleb are you if you are not non-stop griefing a single player

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>try to push in lanes
>Kobe
>try to run away
>Kobe
>try to defend keeps
>Kobe

>>377484725
its literally the same as before
if the only reason for you to play it are all these free chests you get, then you play it for all the wrong reasons

I DONT KNOW WHICH FUCKING BUNDLE TO BUY

I LIKE TANKS
AND I ALSO LIKE SUPPORTS
AND I ALSO LIKE ASSASSINS

>>377487109

I quit like that out of politeness because you being a salty cornflake and bitching and moaning the whole one game we lost killed the mood for me. I know it's not a regular occurrence and not your general disposition, so I'd rather you figure it out and enjoy more games in the future with you than say something over a seldom-happening chance and make things even less fun.

I play purely for fun. The moment someone starts pissing themselves over it, I fly solo 'til they get over themselves. It's the only way to ensure I myself never become the victim to salt.

>>377489190
>taste of blood
>cursed hollow
IT'S TIME TO SLAM

>>377489190

EYYY KOBE

>>377489475

Flex or Support, senpai. Support also has some tanky characters as well as specialists and Flex has everything else.

>>377489656
Flex is the lowest value bundle.

Assassin > Tanks > Supports >>> Flex

That said, just pick the one with the most heroes that you actually want to play. I main specialists, went with tank bundle because tanks are my second favorite, and skipped assassins because I owned all the fun ones already. Supports don't interest me, I'm that guy, sue me.

>>377484725
>No hyper carry
Butcher

>>377484725
>No stupid hyper carry that can 1v5 the whole team, not even Li-Ming
So it sucks? How am I supposed to carry my shitty teammates?

>>377489819
kek, one CC and he's dead, 800 damage/hit or not

>>377489858
By playing the Vikings and getting your team 4 levels ahead of the enemy.

>>377489858
In HOTS, you can carry easily by things like capturing every single one of the merc camps. I have like an 80% win rate with Gazlowe for this very reason.

>>377489862
You can just lifesteal through everything

>>377488292

>>377489858
You can carry with at least 20 of the currently available heroes.

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>ALL THESE OVERWATCH HEROES WAHHHH
>pls add more warcraft heroes, m-muh kel'thuzad!!!

>Play Arthas on a whim
>Never die, be a master of stopping enemies from moving

Nerf Arthas

>>377484725
Grinding for skill options was fucking stupid.

Can someone give me tips on Alarak? I'm trying not to be garbage with him but I'm finding it difficult

>Tyrande's ass in this
Sweet Lord I thought that was a custom model in those SFMs

Which tanks are the best?

>>377490520
Tyrande is a beauty in this and I wish other models were imported for use.

>>377490436
Thankfully, that hasn't been in the game for like a year

>>377484725
All 2.0 was is a progression overhaul.

They went backwards with the Brawl though. It used to give 1000 gold now it gives a shitty fucking crate. Fuck off OWfags, crates are shit tier

I think the only MOBA that I kind of liked was Super Monday Night Combat. Every thing else doesn't feel as fun.

>>377490320
t. Overcuck.

>>377490550
Arthas, Varian, Anub-arak

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>>377484725
just play a fucking all random all mid in lol or a costume map in dota

People love mobas because they are essentially little rpgs where you learn and level skills, gather money, buy items manage your stats etc, but do all this in a competetive multiplayer arena. Hots just doesn't have the replay value of dota or lol.

>>377490497
Zap build. Just fucking zap everything, he's a lane bully master.

>>377490550
Diablo, ETC, Varian, Dehaka, Muradin, Artanis

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>>377490520
i thought i was fucking hallucinating when i first saw it

got her as my free hero purely for that ass, but actually it turns out she's fun as fuck

>>377487190
Unless you're good

>>377487597
Blizzard is worse than mobile, but in my opinion their games are mediocre with the exception of hots.

the game is basically a big game of king of the hill regardless of gamemode. it's a big game of smorc'ing a point, taking the objective, and deathballing. the game doesn't appeal to mobafags because the game isn't the same kind of game. the dynamics you see in league, dota, and even fucking smite aren't in this game. the game is decently fun, but it isn't a moba and it sure as hell isn't an assfaggots game. the game gets boring if you aren't smorc'ing it up.

>>377490846
>smorc'ing a point
what does this even mean?

>>377490846
>it isn't a moba
>it isn't an assfaggots
That's a good thing.

>>377490894
a team dropping everything they are doing to all attack a point with no abandon. deathballing is a synonym.

>>377484725
>No stupid one hour games
If you know how to close a game it shouldn't take that long (barring Techies or Treant)
>No stupid hyper carry that can 1v5 the whole team, not even Li-Ming
Don't let the hard carry free-farm ya frickin' goober
>No pointless farming around the map for 40 minutes
If you're farming for this long, that's why you lose and your games take an hour
>No running around the map pointlessly waiting for someone to get caught, because there are objectives
You're meant you run around creating objectives, pressure towers, force fights etc

hots killed mobas for me
dota feels so fucking slow in comparison and i can't transition back
now im a massive casual and i pay blizzard real money for virtual goods while sucking the big blue cock
dont turn out like me friends get away before its too late

>>377490982
oh, yeah that is pretty accurate. i honestly cannot remain interested in HOTS for more than 2 games at a time because even with their "map diversity" it all plays out the same way.

Best game out right now. Fuck the haters.

>>377491040
it's fun tho

>>377489656
Get the tanks bundle,it has a nice amount of supports

Threadly reminder that Battlerite is the better game if you want something similar to doto but with faster rounds, higher mechanics skillcap, no rng

I don't know why Heroes 2.0 was hyped up as this second launch of the game when all they really did was add loot crates.

>>377491368
yes but the tradeoff is not worth it
ever since i started playing it i get physical urges to shill blizzard products
instead of saying hi to people i now yell BLOOD AND THUNDER
chris metzen breaks into my house to fuck my girlfriend every few days now, he makes me watch while i cry and he doesn't stop until i buy a copy of diablo 3
when i close my eyes to sleep at night i hear PLAY FOR FREE UNTIL LEVEL 20

don't fucking play hots anon. it isn't worth it.

>>377491726
THRALL HALL, BROTHER

Ah, nothing like the daily hots shilling thread. Another day, another dollar.

>>377491491
and terrible fucking balance, garbage matchmaking and no playerbase

>>377490986
>The designated dota apologist.
Like clockwork.

>>377491491
>>377492115
As someone who's been playing it since fucking alpha, this guy is correct.

I don't know how they managed to take a fun game like BLC and completely fuck it up and make it not fun, balance and matchmaking aside.

>>377491491
>Buy to play.
He he he.

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>>377490520
I just wish she had some outfits that showed it off better. Her ass is god tier huge but her tits are still big too. It's incredible.

Pic related. I wish this was a skin, or at least something like it was.

>>377492115
True
It still manages to be the better game
>>377492326
Wait until f2p release my cheap friend

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>>377492275
*clockwerk

>>377490436

that has been away for over a year now

game crashed my pc twice in a day. did they put in a hot fix yet?

>>377492386
>It still manages to be the better game
Not really, and regardless it's completely inaccessible to new players since they'll just get obliterated by the 100 dudes who play the game all day.

I played a lot of BLC way back when before Funcom killed it and Battlerite is shaping up to have the exact same issues

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>>377488131
You act as if HotS isn't 95% cookie cutter with the skill trees. I haven't played in a while but I bet if I looked up character build guide for any character, all of the top ones will be the same build.HotS babies need to stop acting like the removal of items actually makes this game better than mobas that have them.

>>377492542
>You act as if HotS isn't 95% cookie cutter with the skill trees.
It isn't, outside of the heroes that are poorly balanced.

>>377492374
dear fucking lord this better never be a skin
i'm not dealing with shitty supports because they're too busy jacking off to press q and heal me
fucking hell those proportions are sinful

>>377492386
Oh, that I will do. But I highly doubt the game will be still alive until it goes out of "early access".

>>377488131
last hitting = economy
spending economy = items
items = additional utility (in theory)
additional utility = more tools to use against the enemy
more tools = more opportunities to outplay
outplay = victory

Everyone levels up but itemization and economy provide variety outside of team composition and play.

Li-Ming is best girl and my wizardfu

I want to protect her fragile health from warrior/assassin bullies

did anything in gameplay get changed with 2.0? i thought that update was only about the shop

>>377493015
they reworked Uther and added a new (awful) map
aside from that it was all shop

>>377490846
Yeah this is one of the bigger faults. I noticed this on the Anubis and Zerg map. The game offers no alternative playstyle but 5 manning objectives.

>>377484725
>no stupid complexity
>no stupid depth
>no stupid balance
>no stupid modes people enjoy

If it was good it wouldn't go under in the first place.

I hate all MoBas and would rather play HoTs than the rest simply because the games are shorter.

But my question is what's the point? The game has no depth at all and it doesn't feel like you're contributing to anything.

It is a casual game and only a casual game. It's like the MoBa equivalent of a mobile game

>>377492505
>Not really, and regardless it's completely inaccessible to new players since they'll just get obliterated by the 100 dudes who play the game all day.
I'm a new player and I'm doing well
You need to be pain-resistent for this game though

It's too early to tell how this game will turn out. The big turning point will be f2p release- if they fuck that one up, then it's a goner

>>377491491
This

it's like HotS with actual depth

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>>377488131
>no wonder mobas are all awful
Yes, yes they are and that includes HotS which is somehow the worst one besides maybe Paragon.

>>377491491
Nigger that's games dead already, let go. Couldn't even keep a general for that game alive for more than a week even during free to play event.

>>377493297
>Nigger that's games dead already, let go
Nigger it hasn't even been born yet

>>377485407
lmao try again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aJNRJNFpJ0

>>377492649
Fuck that, I can play exactly the same with eye candy as I can without it. Just because some people are shit doesn't mean everyone else should have to suffer. I want to be aesthetic so if you wanna get in the way of that you can fuck right off my dude.

>>377492386
I really hope Battlerite does well, but they need to stop dragging their feet with moving the game to free to play and do it already.
I know they said they were planning for second half of 2017 for an official launch, but to be honest that should've happened months ago while there was at least *some* interest in the game still. Because they're taking so long it's gonna slowly hit that point of no return with Early Access games where nobody gives a shit anymore because "It's been out for almost a year now, why would I get into it now?"
It's a good game, but it's being managed very poorly and I hope they do something soon.

>>377490601
i bet you liked when they released 5 warcraft assassins in a row

>>377493146
It's not too early. I've been dealing with these devs for years now, and they're extremely stubborn when it comes to vague ideals to the point where the game suffers. The devs blatantly ignore good feedback because it might be slightly related to BLC, and the recent patch that finally moved the game in the right direction a teeny tiny bit came after months of bitching at these devs to move that way.

if the game is supposed to be team based, why is your ranked based on solo success?

>>377493532
Chances are most of the world has never even heard of the game. That's where marketing comes in- shill that shit as much as possible in preparation for the f2p launch, with lots of free weekends and such.
But yes, they're proceeding pretty slowly. They're now working on some kind of UI rework, which I don't deem all that necessary, but which is actually important due to presentation being such an important part in player retention. Look at HS, that game is a pile of expensive shit, but it still draws in the millions due to having a top-notch UI and game feel

They do need to finally fucking decide on wether they want 2v2 or 3v3 though. Wasting dev time on balancing for both modes is such a stupid thing to do

>>377493739
>top-notch UI
????????????????????
?????????????????
???????????????????????

>>377493532
They get 1 f2p launch, and if it flops the game is completely fucked. I wouldn't be surprised if it's delayed again to be honest, they want this massive fucking tutorial system to be done first when all the tutorial needed was orb explanations and EX abilities. Then they want the UI update, then they probably want some more heroes.

And yet none of this will fix the simplistic ability design, wall mechanics ruining the game, and almost half of the maps being pure dogshit. Fuck man, they can't even force the issue when it comes to making 2v2 or 3v3 the officially supported game mode, so we're left with shitty balance in both, how the fuck are they ever gonna man up and fix the real shit.

how long was the game in actual development? i remember they wanted to call it dota allstars at one point but i forget how long ago that was

>>377493796
Hearthstones UI and general presentation is the result of hundreds of hours of psychologists and designers working together to create crack in virtual form
Every aspect of it feels well-polished makes players want to play more

>>377484725
sounds like those shitty onepiece vs bleach maps in warcraft 3 custom

>>377493802
What's wrong with walls?
Also I find the battlerite system to be objectionable. I'm not sure if it should just go away entirely or if it just needs tweks, but right now there's barely any choice for most heroes and setups

>>377493560
No because most of them are boring Warcraft assassins and not the COOL Warcraft assassins I want them to release.

>>377493560
warcraft was actually a good series. overwatch was never good

>>377494035
Characters who's abilities are reliant on walls are better or worse depending on the map. For people who play right now, playing vs Freya on Orman or Skyring Day are fucking awful. Bakko being entirely reliant on walls to get true hp damage due to needing the 16 from his E is shit too. They adjusted Raigon's at least, but being reliant on walls never feels good when playing it or against it.

Its also a good example of how stubborn the devs are. Just about everyone in the testing chat that tests patches before they go live has been saying wall mechanics are shit literally since beta, and the devs refuse to stop releasing classes with them or start taking them out. BLC didnt have this bullshit, and character/map design was better for it.

played lol for years, now i only play hots, it takes some getting used to but i like it better now.

does it even have titty streamers

>>377494113
Agree.

Warcraft actually has lots of likable charactersl.

Overwatch?
All pixar tier SJW shit.

Literally all of the characters on that game are obnoxious, save hanzo and torb which are passable.

>>377493415
Yeah, Hanamura is a fucking shit map. We're all aware of this.

>>377484725
I have to agree op. I decided to go back to dota2 maybe 3 months ago and I had forgotten how fucking long some games go on for. It's like, if you wanna do a serious match you need to make sure you have at least 1hr15m spare. It's a huge undertaking.

Hots I can smash out sometimes 3 games in an hour and most games are near constant conflict with the enemy teams, unlike DotA.

You can certainly carry games, but you carry games in hots with initiators like anub, etc, arthas who can really set up big wipes.

You can't do it with assassin's nearly as effectively but it's not a terrible thing.

>>377485937
Who is azula?

>>377494660
I love hanamura..

>>377494876
On a conceptual level, it's an alright map, but it is completely busted, as that video shows.

>>377494876
how's bronze treating you

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Who is the Invoker of Hots?

>>377494983
Kael'thas would be the most obvious answer, but mechanically he doesn't have that much in common.

Who is the Storm Spirit of HotS?

>>377484725
Hots is fucking based. First time I played I took acid and was trying to get the genji skin for OW. My favorite part is the visuals and different maps, the starcraft one is awesome.

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>>377494852
Li-Ming, also known as best girl

>>377495105
storm spirit

>>377495107
There's two starcraft maps, one with nukes and one with zerglings

>>377495186
I'm still upset they made the nukes a map feature instead of one of Nova's ults.

>>377495227
the orbital isn't that much different

>>377495186
The zerglings is the one I really loved. I would play hots but I don't have a desktop, I was at a friend's house that day. Oh and the Egyptian one was also awesome.

I played the shaman mostly and he was just so fucking cool. I played LoL l for a few years and they never managed to make playing a support that fucking awesome. I mean I felt like an absolute monster who just happened to be a support and could heal huge amounts of hp.

>>377495351
Yeah, Rehgar is pretty damn fun.

>>377495351
Supports are a factor of magnitude more satisfying in HotS than in League or Dota

>still can't play black blackheart bay
Fuck this gay map rotation, I'm already bored of playing the game from the 6 map rotation hell.

>>377495405
And despite that nobody wants to play them.
Everytime I pick an assassin/warrior/specialist we get raped but when I pick Malf I go on a 10 games winning spree.

>>377495405
>play Malfurion or Auriel
>fall asleep since its so fucking boring
I would take a Riki or Kunkka over some of the HotS supports. The good HotS ones are closer to other roles than they are support.

I think the big difference is supports can shit because of items, while you are pretty limited in talents in HotS. Few people get fun talents like Malfurion's teleport one, which is level 20 anyways.

>>377495405
Yeah it always felt like a chore in most games. Even as the more on the edge champs it was just a pain.

>>377484725
Honestly all that looks good on paper but when I played it for the first time it just felt so much slower than all the other mobas I played, also it wasnt until recently it became more affordable, their prices when they launched were ridicules and other games knew enough to give you a couple of free characters. Heroes when it came out did not, they expected you to buy them cause they where so sure that the game would be a hit.

The 20 free characters is an awesome way to bring in players and honestly they should keep it around and not just have it be a limited time thing.

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So since Blizzard has proven with Samuro, that they'd much rather add literally who's instead of fan favourites, when are we gonna get best orc?

>>377484725
Not sure if people are shitposting here, but I actually extremely enjoy it.

Heros are fun, the maps are fun, no boring 20 min creep farm

Shit is just so fun!

>>377484725
Also some people like longer games, the shorter games and "Get X to do Y" objectives make the game feel too much like the phisher price of mobas.

>>377492649
It's not a skin you mong, it's her model without all the moving attachments like cape/pauldrons/ponytail

>>377495672
How is one of the most iconic units from Warcraft 3 a literally who, and more importantly, not a fan favorite?

>>377493838
What the fuck, source?

>>377495860
He's wrong. It was originally called Blizzard DOTA.

http://heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/Blizzard_DOTA

>>377495537
Isn't it nine now?

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>>377495142
>fun to play
>that voice
>that cockiness
>that mount animation
She's basically the perfect woman.

>>377487464
stop this

>>377495986
Anyone who uses anything but the base skin and tint is a pleb

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>>377495974
Map rotations are retarded. The whole selling point of the game is the large number of maps.

>B-but muh new players
Just make them "unlock" the maps as they level their account, goddamn.

BRING
BACK
BROWDER

>>377496058
TWOOOOOOOO CHESTS

The biggest reason why I get burnt out of dota easily is because of how many ways there are to drag a game on and on, but this game goes way too goddamn far in the opposite direction. Every game seemed to be "soak up xp in lanes for a bit, deathball objectives/towers, repeat". I like the idea of a quicker, more easygoing moba, and I even reinstalled it a few months back to give it a second chance, but it strips out so much of what I like about the genre that I can't stand it.

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genji's horse mount animation pisses me off

>>377495843
>Let's just have Agamand the True as our Paladin instead of Uther

Samuro, besides being one of the rando Blademaster names, only has one short appearance in the Rexxar campaign. Blademasters might be iconic but Samuro sure as hell isn't. If they wanted that archetype, they should have gone with grom.

>all that fanservice
So that's where it went in blizzard games, and no, the overwatch ones are baby town frolics.

>>377496204
Speaking of which, what the fuck is up with the way Tracer sits on horses?

>>377490436
Oh shit I member!
The low level options were so bad.

>>377496386
Remember when they were gonna add runes?

>>377496265
I actually don't mind that they went with one of the randomly generated Blademasters rather than someone like Grom. Grom would be nice too, but they'd most likely give him a different skillset, and have him use Gorehowl.

>>377496454
The much more likely scenario would be getting Garrosh as a hero and Grom as a skin

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>>377492374
>>377490520
>this weeks update to her model and kit

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>a support that's actually fun to play as and can do some damage

What the fuck? This dude is incredibly fun. Smiting fuckers and dropping hammers on bitches who get cocky. Repent cunts.

>>377484725
>Abilities hit like wet noodles
>No comeback mechanics
>Early/Mid/Late game is nearly indistinguishable
>Heroes need to be unlocked
>Only 68 heroes

Every game is the same:
>Go to lane for 2 minutes
>Do objective
>Teamfight with wet noodles
>Do objective
>Wet noodles
>Fight over boss
>Do objective
>Wet noodles
>End game

>>377496689
I love the new shockadin build
>>377496739
>No comeback mechanics
stopped reading right there
6.5/10 troll

>>377495351
>>377496689
This but for Kharazim. It's so fucking fun chasing enemies down while being able to heal your team in the process.

I'm not really playing him like a support in that, but still fun.

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>>377496813
>getting all the hits from Seven Sided Dick Slap on the enemy tank

why are there no cute boy heroes?

>>377496976
Zul'jin is pretty cute.

>>377496739
>Abilities hit like wet noodles
That and the lack of any hard CC (outside of maybe an ultimate or two I don't remember) really make me fucking hate the game. You aren't killing anyone 1v1 unless they're afk or almost literally asking for it. Because towers have a wall that enemies can't get through it's not uncommon for a 3 on 1 gank to end with the victim just walking away. Teamfights feel less like trying to jockey hard for a pick-off as much as they do flinging shit while waiting for someone to overestimate how much shit he can eat.

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>>377496918
>>377496813
Female monk skin when

>>377497178
it's a team game, not a co-op solo game like dota

>>377497207
Also, male Barbarian and Crusader skins.

can there ever be a rock chucking hero?

>>377497178
>Lack of any hard CC
>Muradin
>Butcher
>Valeera
>Auriel
>Anub'Arak
>Diablo
>Stitches
>Murky
>Zeratul
>Tyrael
>Kerrigan
>Tyrande
>Uther

Just off the top of my head. There's plenty of hard CC, and plenty of heroes that can kill enemies 1v1. Maybe you're just a shitter.

>>377497294
We have brightwing so let's add rock elemental and call it a day

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Not try to shitposting but, why it feels like we got dozens of new HOTS threads in just less than two days?
New update?

All I remember was the D.va skin update or something but it was weeks ago and then people already stop talking about it.

>>377497294
Magath Grimtotem or Nobundo would make decent elemental shamans

>>377497424
Some big name streamers played it for a bit.

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Plague Knight >>>> Shovel Knight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvkpEKjfL58&index=2&list=LLSORCNqR2Gldcwlk1RboFAA

>>377497294
The Lost Vikings has one that slingshots stones

>>377497178
HotS isn't really like LoL or Dota. Kills don't matter as much.

you wanna know why i don't play this shit moba?

you can't customize the UI

it's invasive and huge and stupid as fuck

you can't even click on the minimap to move there.

you can't scale it down either

garbage

>>377497424
>game is expensive so no one plays
>make third of the cast free
>suddenly people play it

>the most casual of all the dotoclones gets popular
>/v/ laps it up after shittalking the genre for years
Like pottery
This board is a joke

>>377497389
We need Muddy the Mud Golem. One of his abilities needs to be that stupidly long slow from WC3. Give him the Rock Golem stun while we're at it.

>>377497507
Are you lost?

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>>377497554

>>377497535
>you can't even click on the minimap to move there
confirmed for having not played the game

>>377497507
Oh shit sorry xdd this was for a new thread

>>377497613
Your mspaint comics can't fool me, anon

>>377484725
Well, before 2.0 was exactly the same. 2.0 changes only Microtransaction politic.

>>377497616
is that some sort of option?
cuz that shit never works for me

what about my other complaints?

>>377497669
your other complaints are perfectly valid, it's your own opinion for how the game could be better

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>>377484725

>Get back into the game with 2.0
>Try to play my placement games
>first game is 39 minutes long, I'm playing Malfurion, and we end up losing
>Out of the 7 games I played yesterday I lost 5 of them
>Had people on Greymane and stuff being outperformed in damage by healers

I just want to get back to grandmaster already.

>>377497669
Idk when you played it but they reworked ui month ag

>>377497736
it's worked for a lot longer than that. Dehaka's Z mechanic is even built into the fact that you can do it

>>377488205
who is this guy doesn't seem he has played much of the game at all

>>377497728
>play placements for the first time
>pick anubarak because he is free
>get him 8 times he is banned 2 times
>end 8-2 and diamond V
Really fires up my neurons

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>someone picks li ming
FEEL THE HATRED OF TEN THOUSAND YEARS
Well that was easy.

>>377497876

I had a team that picked no waveclear at all on Braxis holdout. We lost pretty quick. Can't carry shit like that.

>>377485668

>im a 6k dota player

This isnt reddit where you can just claim to be something and people will believe you. Nobody gives a shit if you truly are as well. Objectively dota is beter than hots, but hots is fun when you arent in the mood for a long game or want to not try at a moba for a bit. Skill ceiling is too shallow to enjoy it for long periods though

>>377497874
he's a guy that loves LoL so much he made a video telling Riot that they owe him the ability to play after getting permabanned for being a fucktard

>>377497889

>not using The Hunt to push every lane to oblivion

>tfw playing 5 dimensional Go with Abathur
>tfw juking and nuking as Probius
Dota 2 can't supply this level of enjoyment. Can't wait to Cho'Gall with my friends.

>>377484725
>No stupid hyper carry that can 1v5 the whole team

Wait, did they nerf Zeratul or something?

>>377484725
I like it but you almost never play a match where you hit 20, or if you do its only for about 1-2 mins. :( Best stuff at 20 and you dont EVER get to use it.

>>377497889
*teleports behind tank*
Heh, looks like I won't be dying today.

>>377498015
yeah what the fuck is up with that? Back when I used to play you hit 20 in pretty much every match unless one side was crushing the other so bad that it was legit hopeless from the start

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>>377497530
>Entire game is based around teamfights
>Kills don't matter as much

>>377497993
He's been nerfed for a while now, but even in his op stages a year back or so he was easy to deal with if you're decent. He was a QM god though since you couldn't draft against him and most people playing QM can't see transparent things

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>>377497991
>pick abathur on cursed hollow
>teammates lane in all three maps for the entire game, so I have practically no xp contribution
>run into 4 people solo and blame me for not hatting them

>>377498087
Same thing happened to Valeera now, she was just OK but now she's literal trash because QM retards can't spot a transparent shimmer.

>>377498078
Kills have low value by themselves
The value you get from kills is that it opens up oppourtunities to push and get mercs and objectives

>>377498087
>Hanamura
>most of the map is smooth as fuck on lowest settings

>>377498078
Tell me how the game is based around teamfights when the enemy Gazlowe has fed so much xp to his team they can reliably 4v5 yours.

>>377498032
Teleport has no range. If you have the vault talent (you do), there is no way for li ming to get away one ilidan is on top of her. She also has no health and her spells do close to nothing when you're close.

Reminder that the best wizard builds in D3 are melee range such as arcane explosion with bubbles and in-geom based explosion builds.
Disintegrate is shit.

>>377497889
Only works against li ming that have no positioning knowledge

I miss Infinite Crisis.

>>377498181
It looks like someone is shit and can't manipulate and deny the lane

>>377488082

>LoL was THE game

This was only true because it was the only moba game that was free. If HoN wasnt retarded and went f2p as well league probably wouldnt of had exploded but when you have 2 very similar games its hard to not play the one thats free.

And no its not 'okay because lol did it'. Thats some stockholm bullshit justification.

>>377498179
Hanamura released recently, zeratul got nerfed ages ago, regardless, it's not hard to see invis if you're paying attention, and most stealth assassins aren't team fighters, so you should be looking out for transparent shit anyways

>>377493141
But the problem with other mobas is that you have to wait so long and gather resources to be able to start getting to the fun part of killing enemies but in hots you can start fighting and engaging/killing the enemy at the start of the game

>>377484725

>no individual impact in any game
>still have to lane to get xp except last hits don't matter
>nobody ever dies unless your entire team manages to jump one guy
>if you have retards running around you're lower level than the enemy team no matter how well you as an individual play

Snorefest

>>377498181
gaz is fucking terrible. There's only one high level gaz player I know of that only plays gaz.

If you're losing to a gaz, learn the game more.

>>377496265

They could not have choosen Grommash as a blademaster, he is a warrior. Both are very different.

>>377498305
I don't really get this point, laning phase is some of the most interesting stuff in doto. The fun part comes from having to compete over the same creepwaves with enemies, which introduces pvp dynamics from minute 1

>>377498285
Well, I'd argue that Zeratul can be a good teamfighter after level 10. Just lock down one or two important targets while you and your team destroy the others.

>>377498336
You act as if everyone just plays Raynor and right clicks everything using no abilities.

>>377498378
I find this so boring I stopped playing dota and lol entirely.
Lasthitting in particular is tedious beyond belief.

>>377498227

Hah, im surprised to see anyone else mention this game. I was amazed that they scrapped it so fast. I loved playing as wonder woman.

>>377498305
If you want to fight early in Dota, you pick a roaming support and start ganking at level 1.

>>377498378
yeah but you what is so fun about killing minions actually i would have been better to get gold the same way you get xp in a ring so you don't have to waste so much time to get that gold

>>377484725
The amount of shilling this game is getting is unbelievable.

Just how desperate is Blizzard? It's such a shit fucking game I thought they'd just abandon it.

>>377498479

Well you can pick support or roaming offlane like me who also hate last hitting.

>>377498387
that could be said about any assassin, he just happens to be one of the worst few.

His popularity and win rate show so. If you have a decent team, zeratul won't have enough burst to get in and get out alive.

Back then zeratul could easily though, but only with a huge level lead and if the other team can't spot a zeratul.

>>377484725
HotS is just too casual.
It's like a constant team brawling simulator. Which could be somewhat fun, but then the heroes would have to be a lot more fun to play.

Most of them have inflated HP while doing too little damage, even some assassin's take ages to kill something.

>>377498479
Then I'd argue you're not doing it right. The laning stage isn't just passively farming creeps, if you're playing against good players and you are good yourself it becomes a fairly intense fight over control, where even the slightest misstep gets you killed.

>>377498564

It's because they want casuals to have plenty of time to process that they're taking damage.

>>377498479
You aren't supposed to only last hit. You also manipulate the lane in your favor deny your opponent and kill him. Before you work as a team in mid to late game you have to show your solo skills to make as big advantage as you can for your team and yourself.

>>377498479
Lasthitting and denying get interesting when you're playing with and against enemies who aren't shitters
It's all about animation cancelling, harrasing the enemy while he's trying to cs, zoning, throwing off their rhytm, keeping them off-balance through fog, and so on
If both parties are just stoically standing there waiting for the creep health to reach 45 then sure it's boring shit
Also that's just one lane, there's 3 more as well as the rest of the map to account for. Watching out for ganks, doing the ganks yourself, stacking the jungle, warding, all the little things make the early game pretty engaging unless you're a hardcarry doing nothing but killing creeps

>>377498564
That's because the heroes that are tanky and don't do much damage exist to tank. They have some sort of utility to make up for it.

They're the ones that can solo tank. The bruisers are the ones that have moderate/high health and can also dish out damage, but can't solo tank because they don't have enough utility

>>377498490
I mean, the game had balance issues. Atomic Wonder Woman was basically completely invincible.

But it was fun as hell, and Starro is probably still my favorite character in a moba to date.

>>377498649
Don't bother. These normies and casuals don't comprehend the complexity and dynamic that mechanics like last hitting bring to the game.

>>377498736
M'fedora

>>377498649
>Watch tournament play
>Nobody bothers with actively trying to deny, it's just something they do once every 5 minutes
>First half an hour of the game is just the commentators trying to make right-clicking minions sound exciting

>>377498812
>Nobody bothers with actively trying to deny,
I only watch lol and that's not true for that game

>>377498812

fake news, you can't deny in lol or hots.

>>377498736
Whack a mole, so deep

>>377498875
See?

>>377498861
You still can deny by zoning

>>377498736
in short poke enemy,kill enemy minions and prevent enemy from killing our minions and putting wards

>>377498901

>artificial deny.

>get 40 kills in hots
>enemy team has 17
>they're still ahead in xp because our Zagara refuses to deal with a Sylvanas push

Nice game

>>377498939
Yes and?

>>377498629
At a high level it's impossible to get any meaningful advantage in the laning 1v1 because the enemy jungler/roamer will immediately put all their attention into making you worthless until the teamfight stage rolls around.
HotS at least is explicit that you are playing a team-based game where you are useless on your own. I much prefer that to a game that half tries to be a 1v1 and a 5v5 and fails to deliver at both.

>>377498943

Its casual game, stop complaining and get casual.

>>377498812
Maybe you just don't know the game well enough to understand what's going on
they might not be able to deny because the enemy support has a long range initiation tool that they need to be aware of
Or they're running a hardcarry lane where lasthits are more important than denies and the support focuses on keeping the carry safe
Or a roamer is missing and might be jumping out of the bushes at any moment, causing one lane to have to play passively

>>377498943
kill Sylv and push as 5

>>377498943
>40 kills vs 17
>Probably means your completely ahead in almost everything
>Bitch about exp

Seriously?

>>377498943
why not gank kill her if you are assassin? or at least make her run away

>>377498975
>because the enemy jungler/roamer will immediately put all their attention into making you worthless
But you also have a jungler and he can't be on all 3 lanes at once

I had my week of fun in HOTS, but I uninstalled because how braindead it is. 90% of roster is designed, like, for literal down syndrome kiddies. Even "very high difficulty" heroes like Abathur. I mean, what exactly is very difficult about this piece of shit?
Game is fun, but there is no field to show off my skill to plebs so I can't enjoy it. I liked this aspect in DOTA2 a lot, but I quit this game because of garbage community.
But still, I recommend HOTS over any A-RTS out there. It is good.

>>377488082
now THIS is bait

>>377498989
so you are basically saying when playing against good players there is no interesting laning part that everyone is claiming

>>377498728

I dont recall atomic WW being stupidly strong, i think it depended on build and who was playing it honestly. But i only played what im told is the ARAM? map, the big circular one because i thought the dota style map/gamemode was pretty boring/shit. I dont remember starro, mustve been added after i stopped playing. That game came and went insanely quick its actually mind boggling with how long games linger these days with almost zero people playing it.

>>377499227
No lol

>>377499227
No, that's not what I'm saying
I'm sorry for having thought that you're interested in a conversation, carry on

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>>377484725
>nu-/v/ complains about game lengths now

we are truly reddit now

>>377499298
i am not the guy who said the tournament comment

>>377499342
>tfw you are a retard and think that you are one of 2 people on the entire website

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>some fat e-celeb which nu-/v/ loves start playing HotS
>suddendly daily shill thread

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>377499342
/v/ has been really casual for a long time
just go into any D3 vs PoE thread and you'll see

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>>377498553
When I did play dota, I played the tree.

>>377498629
>>377498642
>>377498649
>implying
I'm not retarded, I know how this works. I just hate every second of it.

>>377499342
nothing good about dota 2 game lengths because you gamble each time you press "find match" button.

>>377499410
only one mate you are me you.

>>377499027
Which goes back to you relying on your team to not be idiots instead of being able to rely on your own skill to win.
At the end of the day I realized if I wanted to play a game where the more skilled player always wins, fighting games and RTS beat the shit out of ASSFAGGOTS.
HotS is honest about being a casual teamfight shitfest and I'm happy that there is a game that focuses on that exclusively.

>>377499416
>some fat e-celeb which nu-/v/ loves start playing persona 5
>suddendly daily shill thread
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>377499280
Starro had a really neat gimmick where most of his attacks mark minions, and if he gets the last hit on them the minion turns into your minion. You could have a 30 wave tower push easy. Also he had this crazy ult where he took over an enemy player for 5 seconds.

As for Atomic WW, she was ungodly busted in every possible way. Shittons of health, the most damage in the game, the most mobility in the game, murders the everloving fuck out of jungle minions and players alike. It's not uncommon to reach max level gear with her in like 14 minutes due to how much player kills she can get.

Also yeah it's a shame the game got ditched so early, I found it really fun and the concept of the 5 different universe versions of each character was fun.

>>377499474
wow it's almost like it's a team game

>>377499416
>people play game
>suddenly threads about game

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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>>377485668
>I'm a 6K Dota 2 player
who are you trying to fool here anon?

>>377484725
>No surrender before the game really starts

>>377488003
>just going to call me a faggot
faggot
if you just falling out of interest then just stop playing, but if you gonna lie about your 10k mmr of fucking course im gonna call you a faggot, is that hard?

>>377488205
>2014
Reviewing a game in alpha state

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>>377499568
>replying to a five hours old shitpost

>>377499776
Alpha was that chessboard bullshit
This was a release state

I played HotS long enough to level up to >100
Feels like I gave it a fair chance at winning at me over.

It's fun in some ways, but I just don't truly enjoy what they are going for here. The game feels too much like a "mobile tier" game with its very easy to play heroes and constant team brawls. Too much health, too little damage, no items, no gold, shared XP for all (bad idea), no last hitting.. they just removed too much.

The objective based gameplay is kind of cool but more often than not it comes down to "be at the blinking point on the map and win the team brawl there to get a super minion" of sorts.

Really it's not a bad game, it's just.. not as good as it could be. Don't think I would rank it higher than Dota, Smite or possibly even LoL.

>>377499342

Weve been infested by reddit ever since the gamergate bs brought the most attention to this site. But you have to be in highschool still to not understand why super long 70+ dota matches are shit. Most of the time the game couldve ended by the 30-40 min mark but whoever is winning doesnt know how to secure the win so you get this extra long drawn out game. Sure comebacks are possible and its what makes dota the best moba, but sometimes you dont want to be in a single match for over an hour.

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Who probius here?

Also, remind that this is fucking ur waifu because you're all Tyrandefags.

>>377499851
Sure
+ I like the fact that he says the graphics are shit when he plays on the lowest settings (blob shadow)

>>377499507

Yeah i think the gamemode made the difference here. Atomic ww was annoying but not insane. I miss how you could outplay people in that game and i agree, having the same hero but from different universes was cool as fuck.

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D.Va's got a nice Winston cosplay going on

>>377500060
That may be because sc2 engine is shit.
>unironically having to set sound settings to minimum to get 20 fps more
No one knows about that because it's counter intuitive so they all play on minimum settings and that also makes invisible heroes stronger

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>>377500013
>Tyrande
No thanks

>>377500232
I'm talking about the video tho
When you're reviewing a game you don't put the lowest settings on purpose then say "graphics are shit"

>>377500013
>tyrande: freeing you was my biggest mistake
>illidan: and loving you was mine
Fucking pregame banter man...

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>>377500506
"And then he said, isn't Falstad dead?"

>>377500547
he got better

>>377493128
Depends on your team comp you legit can fuckin steam roll a lane in Sky and not even WORRY about the fuckin obj till later... Braxis is a different story since it is SUPER punishing to lose the obj with that it's the same with cursed you can steam roll a lane for a trib or 2 but fuck if it isn't a SUPER gamble to do that as the cruse is VERY punishing and can pretty much be a gg on the spot.

>>377500506
>Tychus: Oh, I can't believe I got saddled with babysitting you
>Probius: [Smug beeping noises]

>>377500506
>Infested Tychus: THIS WORLD WILL BE CONSUMED BY THE SWARM
>Karazhim: haha, yes!
[nervous laughter]

>>377500506
It's worse.

Illidan says "And loving you IS mine".

Illidan has gone so far into the cuckshed he won't even come out of Maiev would offer to hatefuck him.

>>377484725
It's the literally the same game as before 2.0 but with a fresh coat of skinnerbox tricks to keep people more engaged.

>>377498350
he was a blademaster in warcraft 3 and had the exact same skills, stats and animations as other blademasters

>>377498531
>how desperate is Blizzard
They've literally paid some Dota 2 streamers to play their game and additionally promissed them to donate to charity based on amount of games they played.
So I'd say pretty damn desperate.

>>377499416
i started playing with the nexus update
tried it when it came out whenever that was and hated every part of it
now i enjoy it as a casual moba-ish game with friends

>>377501029
>offer
It's not like he'd have a choice there

>release amazon skin for nova
>looks just like D2 amazon

>release actual D2 amazon hero
>looks completely different and has a dumb wow tier weapon

what did they mean by this

>>377494552
Why am I the only one who just wants some more fucking StarCraft heros

>>377490582
I miss my 1k gold

>>377502260
Fenix when? Protoss could use a ranged dps character.
Pls no Talandar.

>>377493326
It died in the womb

>>377502260
playable spider mine when?

>>377502260
Gui Montag as a ranged warrior when

I can't stand multiplayer games that last over 20 minutes a session because of this game.

>>377502260
Stukov when? Overmind when? That black ghost dude with the dreads when?

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>>377484725
>consumer friendly Blizzard pap that will be enjoyable just long enough for OP to vouch for it before he starts getting diminishing returns on his dopamine levels and has to pick up more tepid crap, because blizzard couldn't make a consistently fun or memorable game if it meant sacrificing their dogshit excessive character design
WAIT this is a blizzard product right??

>>377496642
Tyrandes Model got updated? I don't see it

>>377500906
>Hope she was worth it, Jimmy
>I LIVE! Damn...

Infested Tychus had a hard life.

the only fun mode is brawl with random heroes because you can fight right away

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>>377502260
Alarak announcer when.

>>377504175
Blizzard is a small struggling indie dev. They can't afford to pay John DeLancie again
>>377504140
I like playing as Nazeebo in the wizard brawl
>hit level 13
>take superstition
>become unkillable

Worst moba out there that isn't on the phone. A dumbed down simplified version of something that's already been severely dumbed down and simplified from the RTS genre. Overall, this piece of shit game is a containment zone and I'm glad I don't have to deal with the faggots playing it.

The champ design is downright baffling in how fucking retarded it is.

>>377504273
im talking about the brawl thats on right now, every round u choose from 3 heroes and u get no talents

>>377504464
oh, I haven't played at all this week. The brawls are usually good for a few games though

>>377494876
You have trash taste, but thats ok anon.

>>377490986
Clearly a league player and not a DotA player wrote this.

>>377484725
>no voice chat
>in a game where you fight 5v5 after 2 minutes

Why are people so afraid of adding this stuff? Shit shouls be fucking standard in these games.

>>377504984
the last time Blizzard made a proprietary VoIP system we got WoW patch 2.2 kek

>>377504984
Because nobody wants to talk to randoms because a third of the randoms are either just there to troll you or have annoying voices.

Not to mention that here in Europe, you have a bunch of people who don't even speak the same language.
The Russians and the French are equally awful in that they rarely speak english.

>>377484725
>the same thread on a daily basis

>>377504984
Sorry, don't want to hear you bitch at teammates like a sperglord.

>>377504984
If you played enough competitive teamgames online you know by now that in 80% of cases the voice chat is used for autistic screeching, insults or someone playing loud music

I rarely ever saw it used productivly.

The exception seems to be overwatch where i feel the ratio of productive voice chat use is way higher.

In dota e.g the voice chat was 100% toxicity in our city

D.Va is quickly becoming my favorite hero. Never before have I been able to play so carelessly and not only not be punished for it, but awarded for it by getting a huge nuke.

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>>377505323
>>377505142
>>377505108

I play dota in yurop (mostly blyats in my games) 6k mmr and most of the time the chat is decent. They mostly speak in their language but will at least call out stuff over voice. Obviously you get the occasional autistic fallout but you can just mute them and communicate with others (and him unless he mute you). Idk why people are so thin skinned about this shit when you have tools to ignore them.

>>377495626
>not just have it be a limited time thing.
where does it say that?

>enjoy MOBA games
>unfortunately I am a responsible adult
>I work and have a girlfriend, leaving little time for games
>really like dota but 45 minute games are way too long for me
>play HotS which is shit in all aspects except for the length of the games

That's about all it's good for. I jump in, play a game, and then I'm done.