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>/v/ claims to hate casuals >Yet most of /v/ sucks at fighting

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>/v/ claims to hate casuals
>Yet most of /v/ sucks at fighting games

Umm...???
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Fighting games are for gays.
H games are where the REAL pros are.
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>>377453315
Every one sucks at fighting games, we just suck less at degrees.
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But fighting games are for casuals my retard new friend.
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But I'm going to be the best Mechanica in the world.
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>>377453315
I'm good at Melee though
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The general audience of fighting games is preteens and only fucking casuals play them, especially the ones like you who should be browsing r/gaming instead. No (you) for you
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>3D """"fighting""""" games
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>>377454417
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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These are the kinds of responses you get when you ask /v/ about fighting games, my dude.
>>377454292
>>377454417
>>377454423

Not even once.
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Every video game is for casuals.
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>>377454608
Its almost like /v/ is full of faggots
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>>377453315
>Yet most of /v/ sucks at fighting games

you mean all games.
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when will FGC retards learn that the only requirement for a game to be considered a 'fighting' game is for there to be physical hand to hand combat between to opponents

platforms doesn't make it not a fighting game
a third dimension doesn't make it not a fighting game
fuck i know this shit is bait but it pisses me off so much
i dont even play smash
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>>377454292
this.
It's like bragging about being the smartest retard in the room. At the end of the day you're still a retard.
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>>377454417
Had a good laugh
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Most people period suck on fighting games
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>>377454837
GTA is my favourite fighting game then
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>>377454837
God Hand is a cool fighting game.
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>>377454608
t. autistic neckbeard
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>>377454837
Dota 2 is my favorite fighting game.
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>>377454837
I love Mount and Blade, it's probably my favorite fighting game of all time
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>>377453315
Anyone who's been exposed to more technical, more dynamic fighting games will quickly pass on tekken. Other top fighters, namely Street Fighter, KoF and MK have advanced impressively in their latest installments; but the relic that is tekken just can't seem to evolve, furthermore many combos can be done simply by hitting 1-button, and the nearly "instant-kill" rage art moves are just laughably broken. Instead of a supplying a proper fighting engine, matches in T7 seem to rely heavily on "who can get their rage move off first". So many elements of the gameplay don't even require any sort of skill. In my book, slow motion over and over again also gets old very quickly. And in the end, it's more of a novelty or gimmick rather than an actual, thought-out fighting game mechanic. But hey, the casual crowd will be pleased!

If you want something a little more "button-masher-friendly," tekken might be your cup of tea.... Key word, might.
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>>377453315
/v/ claims to hate casuals but also loves Zelda. Also, you don't necessarily have to be good at fighting games to not be a casual.
It's better that people admit they don't know about fighting games or just don't participate in fighting game threads as opposed to having people say stupid shit like
>melee is more complex than any other fighter
>Guilty Gear Xrd is good
>fighting game inputs are bad game design
out of ignorance.
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>>377455345
It's ok if you're a casual. Nothing to be ashamed of.
You're on /v/, after all.
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>>377454837
Shame Samurai Shodown is not a fighting game...
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>>377455179
God Hand is a fighting game you fucking retard. It just doesn't have multiplayer so it can't be competitive.
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>>377453315
If you dont have a friend who is willing to dump alot of hours into the genre with you, odds are you will never get good
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>>377455485
>>377455485
not an argument
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>>377453315
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>>377454423
>>377454292
t. shitters who can't deal with the blow to their ego
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>>377454395
no, because i will
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>>377455492
Same with Soul Calibur. Really is a shame.

>>377455570
Sorry I didn't make a counter argument to your very elaborate display of logic. Last (You), cuck.
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>>377455692
not an argument
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>>377455629
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which community is the most autistic:
kingdom hearts
undertale
or fightniggers?
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I'm a Street Fighter guy more than a general fighting game fan. I've been playing a little ST and 3S and fightcade, just bought USFIV again (this time on Steam), and I've been working my way to Gold in SFV.

When Tekken rolls around I'll give it a shot though, I played King in the older ones.
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>>377455848
Persona
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>>377455848
undertale>meelefags>fightfags>KHfags in terms of autism concentration
although if this was the mid 2000s it would probably be a different story.
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>>377455848
Smashfags
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>>377455863
>just bought USFIV again

y tho

to play with the other two guys who can't let the past go or
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>>377455848
Splatoon, Pokemon, and Overwatch
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>>377453315
There are three broad tiers of "gamers":

High
>People who are genuinely good at games, they have natural talent and enjoy learning how to play competitive games. When they lose they identify why or already understand why and seek to improve themselves.

Middle
>People who may think they are in the upper tier of gamers but in reality either lack the natural talent or have no intention of putting in the time/effort to improving themselves. However in a competitive game they will destroy the lower tier of gamers leading to their egos inflating but will get destroyed themselves by the higher tier of gamers often resulting in frustration when this happens with no attempt to identify why they lost so they can improve, instead blaming lag or claiming their opponent to be cheating.

Low
>People who don't play games very often if ever and don't care at all about whether they win or lose. These people are the true "casual" gamers.
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Most of /v/ is stupid, so the fact they bad at fighting games is understandable.

Even the part of /v/ that does know fighting games has shit taste. That's why we got so much 3S fans, but nobody is willing to rep ST, let alone Alpha 2 or Hyper Fighting. Plenty of love for Darkstalkers and Rival Schools, but none for X-Men or Marvel Super Heroes. Tons of people who think they're cool because they play Garou, but nobody giving love to SamSho V. People posting about Skullgirls, but ignoring KI and Yatagarasu. People praising VF5:FS, not even knowing that it's the most casual game in the entire franchise, made for shitters who couldn't play VF4.
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>>377456220
>High
Fighting games, smash, arena FPS, yactical FPS, most sims, RTS, grand strat

>Mid
MOBA, platformer, FPS, racing, puzzles, hack n slash, survival

>Low
JRPG, SRPG, console FPS, VN, walking sims
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>>377455481
>>Xrd is good

It is
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>>377456502
>but nobody giving love to SamSho V
SamSho II is where it's really at.
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>>377453315
I hate myself.
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>>377456550
Agreed, but there are exceptions.
Dead or Alive is a Mid game in a High catagory. Battletoads and Tetris Grand Master are High games in a mid catagory. Ect.
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>>377456220
That's way overgeneralized bullshit

Some people have the talent, some people put in the hours, some people have more self reflection, some have less, you can be a super sperg ragequitting every other match, bitching about how stupid your opponent is and how awesome you are and how when you lose that's basically cosmic intereference instead of a lack of ability - and still make top8 at evo because you grinded down your setups through sheer thickheadedness
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>>377456761
That's why I said they are broad tiers, of course there is alot of variation with the tiers themselves.
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>>377456919
within"
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>>377456220
>people that have no lives or job and play video games all day in their parents basement

>people who have a lot of free time to play video games but aren't autistic enough to play the same thing over and over

>people who have lives and actual jobs who can't possibly dedicate all their time to video games because their life revolves around more than just one thing

fixed
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>find a 3 button combo
>find a missile move
>spam throws

it's not hard
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>>377454608
Having a sub-100 population of super elites doesn't forgive the millions of people that unironically struggle to decide between Street Fighter and Madden at any small gathering.
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>>377457183
nice reddit spacing why dont you head back to your little safe space
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>>377457183
no.. you didn't fix it
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>>377457254
>can't handle the truth so you shut down and shout the canned reddit response

You must fall into the first catagory then
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>>377457352
i think you might be more comfortable back at the ranch with the other retards and wageslave normies that dont have the time to invest in any hobbies. dont worry though you're making your boss very happy, he's probably going to get another boat or maybe get some new furniture for his beach home
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>>377457640
confirmed for no life permaloser
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>>377453315
It takes effort to discuss and play fighting games. Its not so easy to shitpost about them unless you know them to some extent. That's why they stick to base shitposts that barely get into detail about how the game functions.
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>>377455770
DAMAGE CONTROL
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Implying people on /v/ and /vg/ arnt total shitters.

If you see what people post you understand that they are mostly on the lower end of whatever skill level.
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>>377458001
not an argument
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>>377458073
Shut the fuck up you embarrassing retard.
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If anyone was actually here in 09 for SFIV's release, you'll recall that "Seth is too hard!" threads littered the front page of /v/. I wish I would've screencapped it at the time, but nothing was more telling about how the majority of /v/ is actually shit at fighting games than not being able to beat an AI-controlled boss character on normal difficulty.
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>too retarded for tekken
>at least capcom made sfv for me and the other retards
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>>377458270
SF4 seth was bullshit for a lot of people though, that's why they toned him down in super
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>>377456634
I'm going to disagree with you, but it's no big deal, because SamSho2 is also dope.
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>>377458270
Not even that.
Some of the people whining were playing on easy. Ironicly enough, Seth's AI didn't work right in vanilla, and was harder on easy difficulties than it was on the medium ones. That's what you get for playing on nub difficulty.
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>>377455848
the community of sperm in your mom's womb that gave birth to you
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>>377453315
>/v/ sucks at video games
FTFY
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>>377455848
Sonic
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>>377458186
not an argument
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Fighting games aren't competitive they are horribly balanced and a reason every single one has tier lists and a couple characters and moves they don't deviate from. Mastering a fighting game involves some 20 hour practice as the top tier character. Barely any effort.
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>>377454395
>>377455691
Ah good to see men of culture. I l'll be joining you guys as soon as I can get a switch.
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>>377453315
>/v/ hates IGN because they don't actually review games based on the gameplay
>yet /v/ isn't competent enough at fighting games to know if it's good or not

How do these guys live normally?
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>>377460326
See >>377457902
You're not even trying.
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>>377453315
Fighting == Casual
Prove me wrong faggot.
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>>377453315
most of /v/ doesn't even play fighting games, only talks about characters at most.
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>>377460653
>muh spacing muh combos
Wow so hard fighting games have a low skill ceiling. Are you going into great detail about how the mechanics are good or will you just be a hypocrite? Your posts mean nothing you pretentious pseud. Try playing a game with an actual high skill ceiling like an RTS.
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>>377453315
>Liking meme genres.
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>>377460941
kek
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>>377455848
The FGC is probably one of the least autistic video game communities.
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>>377455848
Metal Gear
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>>377461024
kek
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>>377460326
>20 hour training
Lmao try 100
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>can't play rhythm games
>can't even play puzzle games
>jack off to turn-based games all day
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>>377460848
Can you do a shoryuken 10 times out of 10?
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>>377461526
Is that supposed to be impressive? I lowballed it because I knew some idiot would say an equally sad low number like he bested my argument. 100 hours is like how long I put in a game I'm just casually playing by a month.
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>>377461792
He, i kinda said 100 just to get the grasp of the mechanics and fundamental, you really start becoming just a mediocre player with 2 years in, with very rare exceptions
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Name me a single pro gamer who represents 4chan. Not just fighting games, any genre.
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>>377462047
Viscant
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>>377462047
terror
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>>377453315

Nah mate i'm old as shit and pretty solid at ST. Still representing SPD's and HUAARGH HUAARGH HUAARGH HUAARGH HUAARGH.

I'm kind of ass at Marvel VS type games though like MvC2 and XvSF. Though i'm alright at MSH, Darkstalkers and X-men COTA.
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>>377462047
Sonicfox
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>>377462047
doug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ozyEj67gY
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>>377462293
>>377463880
4chan isn't referenced in their gamer tags.
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I must be the only one who finds Tekken infinitely easier than SF. In SF, to maximize damage output, you need to use combos. But combos have this retardedly strict timing requirements along with making sure your character is properly positioned with the opponent. Whereas in Tekken you just need to press buttons in a certain order.
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>>377462047
there isn't 4chan is full of autists, pro gamers unironically are smart enough to not associate themselves with this shithole.
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>>377464209
Fighting games are more than just combos.
SF isn't hard when it comes to combos either. At least not when compared to anime games, for instance.
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tekken is most fun when both players dont know how to play
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>>377453315
I just have terrible memory.
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>>377464334
The highest combo I could do in SF was fucking 4 or 5 hits and that was on a good day. Meanwhile, all the pros are doing these 12 hit combos with cross ups every thing else.
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>>377464403
This is bullshit. Properly punishing is extremely satisfying. Far more than my casual Soul Calibur 2 days of "my flashy move versus your flashy move."
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>>377464334
Skullgirls and UNIEL have much easier combos than SF4.
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>>377455481
>melee is more complex than any other fighter
Melee is highly complex. You putting this relative assessment into other peoples' mouths is a little misleading but the assertion could still be defended quite well.
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>>377464209
Tekken is harder at high level because of KBD being needed to open people up and to play characters with bad poking games like Kazuya, and matchup knowledge and prediction are needed to know the proper directions to sidestep in. In SF movement much simpler just cause you don't have to keep cancelling your backdash just to prevent leaving yourself open.

SF execution also got way more lenient in 5 while Tekken still has EWGF and instant while running moves
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>>377455119
>>377455356
>>377455432
>>377455492
>hey let's miss his point completely, that'll show him!!
FGC is such a joke
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>>377465273
Don't you have a Smash local to stink up?
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>>377464209
>>377464673

Actually in SF you don't need combos to win and maximize your damage out. Not even really large ones. SF can be played with a minimalist approach as long as your timing and defence is on point.
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>>377453315
because they fall back on retarded arguments to justify their beliefs instead of just saying they arent interested in the genre or lack the skill to play it
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>>377465334
i said in my post that i dont play smash
FGC's continued retardation is just too retarded not to comment on
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>>377465227
True. I've been playing since Tekken 1 and still can't KBD properly.
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>>377465430
You're not fooling anybody.
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left guy: fighting games' relevancy to the market
right guy: the growing number of people who have no interest in fighting games
left guys fist: literally the most autistic group of contrarian faggots that have been running rampant with their shitty opinions all because it makes them feel special
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>>377465494
whatever makes you feel better about being called retarded, anon
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>>377465635
Left guy: /v/ who calls people casuals
Right guy: FGC
Fist: Fighting games
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>>377465754
this
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>>377465635
>fighting games have a weekly tv show
>fighting games were on espn
>a college just started scholarships for fucking street fighter

This is hilarious watching everybody repeat the same shit with fighting games that they did with all the "e-sports" titles. This shit is growing no matter how much you hate it.
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>>377465754
That would be right if /v/ had any actual contact with fighting games. It's just shitposting without knowing anything.
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>>377465754
Fighting games hurt /v/?
As in this bullshit does not have a place on 4chan's videogame board because it lowers the board's quality?
I agree anon, fighting games are shit and should not be on /v/.
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>>377465903
he wasnt talking shit about fighting games
he was talking shit about the spergs who play them i.e. you
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>>377453315
Fighting games are probably the most casual competitive game
That explains why so many black people are into them
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>>377465635
>yfw fighting games have survived for 20+years and this isn't even the first time we've had a drought of new blood
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>>377466002
Well if they're so easy then why does everyone on /v/ suck at them?
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>>377465986
they definitely hurt your pride
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>>377466031
>yfw fps has its origins in the 80s and have survived longer then fighting games
>as well as a shit ton of other genres
What is your point?
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>>377466078
/v/ gets cucked yet again
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>>377466078
I can show you a grade schooler who's better at fidget spinners then me. Funny thing is- fidget spinners are easy to use kids toys, but I'm bad at them by comparison because I'm not an autistic child who's poured hours into stupid shit like that
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>>377466002
>tfw /v/ loses to poor Nigerians who could fully develop do to lack of schooling, sleep, and nutrition

Lmao you better take another online IQ test to make yourself feel better.
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>>377466623
fidget spinners are more like JRPGs.
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>>377466825
actually I think the Heros series of games is more like it
which of course is mostly repeating combos and shit like fighting games
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>>377455848
nier automata
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>>377457227
Implying this will get you anywhere against someone who has played the game for more than 1 hour
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>>377460848
Spoken like a true casual baby
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>>377467249
>heros

What is that? Dragon Quest Heroes, Clicker Heroes, Fire Emblem Heroes? I have never heard of a Heros series.

>fighting games is mostly repeating combos
Are you playing Calamity Trigger only? How can you land a combo if you can't win in neutral, oki, or beat pressure?
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>>377467583
>How can you land a combo if you can't win in neutral, oki, or beat pressure?
He doesn't know what any of that means, he's just shitposting or maybe is retarded.
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>>377466176
That it's not dying out you fucking retard
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>>377466623

How can you be bad at fidget spinners?
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>>377453315

Being a casual and being bad at vidya are two different things. Casual is not even antonym to hardcore, but I guess that's how most people interprete the term nowadays
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To anyone who thinks fighting games are easy:
https://www.fightcade.com/
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I'm not very good, but I'm alright. Osmosis from my brother being very good.

Hoping I can get good at Injustice. I love DC.
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Oh wow I didn't know /v/ unanimously hated fighting games.
Yet again you're all shit at games so I guess it's something I should have suspected, you all get jealous when someone is able to apply skill, timing and agility to a video game and be good at it just like you all rag on black people because you're insecure of your little whitey dick.
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>>377468007
>you all get jealous when someone is able to apply skill, timing and agility to a video game
thats literally what shooters are, fighting games are just a one dimensional, antisocial simplification of the core aspects of an arena shooter but with jankey ass inputs tacked on
but sure, keep pretending you're a special snowflake because you have an unpopular opinion
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>>377467895

This

The casual term is more in line with mobile games or basically anything easy to pick up and play, short and fast.
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>>377454292
And niggers
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>>377468361
kek
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>>377468552
>niggers are smart enough to play fighting games
>/v/ isn't

Really activated my almonds
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>>377468361
I play shooters more often than I play fighting games, the skill floor and learning ceiling are way higher in fighting games, there is still literally not one person in the entire world who knows everything about tekken.
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>>377468656
btfo
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The only people who hate fighting games are peopel who suck at them or people who can't mentally handle the pressure.
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>>377457254

>reddit spacing

Spot the newfag. That spacing has been around on this site ( a side effect of people not stretching their reply boxes ) longer than Reddit has existed. Fuck off, faggot.
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>>377468797
>the skill floor and learning ceiling are way higher in fighting games
I play shooters now and always have and used to play a lot of fighters before I got fed up with the cancer and respectfully disagree.
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>>377453315
>Be SHMUPfag
>laughing at casual autisticfucks of the FGC thinking their worth half a shit
>implying FGC isn't a shithole.
>implying any of you fucks are actually good at video games.
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>>377468797

Not really. You can be a lot more creative in a FPS than you can in most fighting games.
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>>377453315
Well I mean, I can play them and learn a couple of BnBs, but I don't really have anyone to play with or anything.
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>>377469340
t. Touhou shitter
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>>377469340

>SHMUPs
>calling others autistic

Anon.
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>>377469340
Why don't you just memorize pi? That's about the same thing as "getting good" at a shmup.
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>>377469443
>implying SFV:Dicksuck edition isn't a meme game for meme casualbait
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>>377469467
>memorize
>same thing

>a fighting game fag said this
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>>377469597
Playing against another human can't be memorized.
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>>377469231
>I used to play a lot of fighters

I don't believe you
Download fightcade and prove it
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>>377469517
>implying your opinions matters in the slightest
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>>377453315
fighting games are for niggers and autistic little white boys and shitskins lmao, I got better shit to do.
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>>377469597
Shmup is all pattern recognition
Fighting games are far more than that do to playing against humans.
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>>377469340
bullet hell SHUMPs like touhou are shit. pic related is a better example of a good SHMUP.
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>>377469756

>>377468656
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>>377469756
t. never won a match during the free weekend
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>>377469597
humans aren't mass produced robots with the same patterns and quirks
in tekken if you're fighting a character you know absolutely nothing about you may aswell be fighting with the moniter turned off.
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>>377453315
I like Hwoarang's new outfit, but goddamn what have they been doing to his design these past few games

I miss his original Tekken 3 outfight--subtle yet distinct
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>>377469676
>>377469772
Shmups have versus modes. Also theres a lot of shmups, you could play for years doing new games. I don't know why you think people just reply the same shit.
Fighting games are memorization with inputs and combos. Sure you poke around a bit in between all that but its really just: get one hit in -> input memorized pattern.
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>>377470054
kek
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>>377470054
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>>377453315
>see thumbnail
>think its a tekken thread
>it's actually shitposting thread #21930129312
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>>377470054

Defensive reads are a lot more important than pokes.

I don't even like most fightan games, but it's a little more involved than what you're claiming.
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>>377470210
>Defensive reads are a lot more important than pokes.
what did he mean by this?
not even memeing but this is really backwards
your enemy has the same tools as you
they have to act defensively in accordance to your attacks do just like you have to do to them
and you can only win by attacking them
what the fuck is he trying to say here?
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>>377469340
but there are games that have both SHMUP and fighting game elements.
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>>377470567
there is an art of countrerpoking. Most pokes are made so your opponent takes a risk.
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>>377470615
>inb4 not a fighting game
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>>377454417
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>>377470567
It means that if you can't defend you're going to lose to some monkey who is just mashing a lot buttons in your face. If you can read the fact that he's a monkey, you can defend against that and punish accordingly.

>>377470615
What's this game called? Saw a webm of it the other day and couldn't find the source.
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>>377470837
Acceleration of Suguri 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XVNX8TCy7I
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>>377468656
>implying fighting games require intellect
Nigga it's 99% muscle memory.
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>>377470683
although true,
definitely not what he was saying and definitely not unique to fighting games
gambits are mainstays in most games' metas so fighting games cannot be "more advanced" relative to other genres because of this
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>>377470567

I'm saying if you make a bad read on defense, you'll get ripped. If you poke at a bad time, you compromise your ability to defend.

Attacking usually works best against a good fightan player when you've successfully or even unexpectedly made a good defensive play.

Gif related.
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>>377470870
Thanks, my man.

>>377470876
Only combos and setups require muscle memory, and that's only a portion of what fighitng games are about.
Figuring out how to beat someone who has been beating you does require intelligence.
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>>377470837
>It means that if you can't defend you're going to lose to some monkey who is just mashing a lot buttons in your face. If you can read the fact that he's a monkey, you can defend against that and punish accordingly.
So fighting gamers only play against people who don't know how to play fighting games? Thats a stupid thing to say. His argument doesn't make sense in high level play because of this.
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>>377470876
If you only make training mode combo videos, sure
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>>377471059
That was just an example, friend.
See >>377470961
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>>377470961
>Attacking usually works best against a good fightan player when you've successfully or even unexpectedly made a good defensive play.
So what you're saying its just poking and baiting until somebody fucks up and then the other guy enters in the "do a lot of damage password" you memorized. Rinse and repeat.
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>>377471056
It's more the ability to keep your cool under pressure than intelligence, the problem is people get angry and let their emotions take over and go on the offensive when they should be on the defensive. You definitely don't need to be smart to be good at fighting games, the stupidest fucker i know is good at fighting games.
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>>377453315
/v/ is shit as a whole at most games. Over the years I've played with so many of you and it's always so disappointing. /v/ usually has pretty good taste, but they're just trash at anything beyond casual play.
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>>377471261
even that obviously simplified explanation shows there's more depth and less memorization in fighting games than in shmups
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>>377471360
I know a tourneyfag who is literally brain damaged, he got hit by a car when he was a kid and fractured his skull.
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>>377471056
>Figuring out how to beat someone who has been beating you does require intelligence.
But then it must be less so if you must account for more then one player in a team based game, or say a typical shooter, no?
With a team v. team you must read the behaviors of all members of the enemy team as well as act in accordance with your team socially for positioning and team roles.
Most team based games require the same kind of refractory skills fighters do but with the addition of more complex decisions then in fighting games. The only aspect fighters offer that other games don't is complex inputs and combos, but most fighter fans will firmly argue this is not were the difficulty comes into fighters.
So by this I believe fighters are less difficult then team based shooters.
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>>377472315
Reading your enemies in other kinds of games doesn't really have as big of an impact as it does in fighting games.
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>>377472458
yes it does
yes I'm putting the same amount of substance in my argument as you did yours
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>>377472550
The thing is, if you actually played fighting games at all in your life, you would know.
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>>377455848
Souls Fags
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>>377465273
>let me make a personal, arbitrary retarded definition for fighting games
>anons bring up counter examples
>y-you're retarded!
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>>377472717
I can really just say the same thing to you, watch:

If you have invested significant time in both team based shooters and fighting games you would realize they hold a reasonably higher skill ceiling then fighters and require reading your enemies on a high level.

See? Its called a mere assertion fallacy. The argument is worthless.
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>>377473128
>If you have invested significant time in both team based shooters and fighting games
I have, tho.
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