Let's be honest, there is not a single real philosophical

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>>377307153
>what is Talos Principle

inb4 special pleading

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ok

>>377307670
>Talos Principle
Writer: Jonas Kyratzes
>He is also politically active on the internet, blogging about political issues. He describes his politics as left-wing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Kyratzes

You just proved Op's point.

>>377307685
saw this on sale (but couldnt buy it) is it good?

>>377307153
99% of people are retarded, what did you expect¨

deus ex 1 is somewhat philosophical but it doesn't go deep enough and i dont think the creators had much understanding of what they were creating, it was mostly copy pasted ideas from 20th century patriot authors

>>377307153
What's a good ayn rand game?

>>377307878
>I haven't played the game but listen to my opinion anyway!

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>>377307878

>>377308153
>playing indies
>made by a marxist
>playing an indie made by a marxist
kek

>>377308153
>>377308281
You're obviously too stupid to see through a simple narrative

What about Soma?

>>377307153
the average western writer gets all his info from wikipedia

>>377307153
the witness

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>>377308137
Well, there aren't any that are truly sympathetic to her ideas, but Rapture from BioShock is a flawed version of her ideal society (Andrew Ryan is a loose anagram of Ayn Rand).

Kreia from KotOR 2 has a lot of similarities, but she isn't an objectivist.

OP is exaggerating on the Rand front. Vidya is more dominated by Nietzsche's ideas than Rand's. Subjectivism is more common.

>>377307153
what is Johnny Rocketfingers

>>377307878

>All left wings are marxists.

>>377307153
The struggled for control of capital has been the most singularly defining force in Western society since the decline of the Catholic Church's power and the rise of Enlightenment-era secularism.

>>377307153
This is because their ideas are pure shit

>>377307153
>in the west
Since you felt the need to specify this, could you provide some examples of "real philosophical games" made in the east so we know what to look for?

>>377309829
struggle*

>>377309891
Nier:A

>>377309891
Honey Select

>>377309891
boku no pico

>>377309829

Not to mention that world wars were caused because of economic ideals. What fucking else do you think writers will write about? Its no surprising asians all write about buddhist philosphy because their backwards society up to now are still reliant on foreign aid and are too stupid to think for themselves.

>>377307153
>Ayn Rand
>legit philosopher

>>377309993

Oh you mean existentialism aka babbys first philosphy aka that trite shit you keep hearing about in edgy seinen anime and manga?

>>377310224
Ayn Rand is an easy shorthand for extreme free market capitalism. However, Randian economies just don't exist in functioning states, because the largest drivers of economies have made sure to inextricably intertwine themselves with world governments in order to hold onto/expand their wealth and power.

>>377310187

True. Im a Flip and even though we asians like to bark at the west, I know that if WW3 breaks out, we are so fucked. I cant even imagine what would happen if America decides to declare an economic sanction on us.

>>377310320
In the absence of religious convinction, existentialism is a necessary stepping stone to a true philosophy by which one can live his live.

>>377307153
good, because last time I checked, japanese dev were still sperging over moby dick and overused classics

>>377307153
>what is Legacy of Kain

>>377310564

I dont need that though. I have this simple human instinct called common sense. No fucking need to question my purpose in life.

>>377310491
>I'm a flip

Disgusting, get out of my board

>>377310320
>existentialism aka babbys first philosphy aka that trite shit you keep hearing about in edgy seinen anime and manga
Not an argument. Poor display in a thread about philosphy. You just lost all philosophical ground.

>>377310761

Youll still buy tekken 7 for josie tho

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>>377310320
kek
actual existentialism works require a solid philosophical background to be even read

>>377310491
>>377310761
You both get out, only Swedes aka true humans can stay.

>>377310681
Existentialism, at its core, is a struggle against one's own mortality. If you never experienced that struggle, that's great; good for you. However, it would be disingenuous to assert that such a struggle is not common across all walks of life. Much of what people call spirituality is just a way for people to attempt to come to terms with their inevitable demise.

>>377310187
>Concluding one of the most contested areas of causation in historiography in a tidy ignorant post

Dude lmao

>>377309492
More like an example of why her world can't work.

>>377310816
>josie
literally who ? sound like a trap name anyway get out subhuman

>>377310816
>googles it
>dick intensifies
My dick has transcended philosophy

>>377310793
Yea, it's got good booty too

>>377307993
Don't listen to /v/ memeing faggots if they tell you otherwise, this game is fantastic. The choices in it don't have any morality meters or red and blue colors, but are actual moral dilemas you have to face. It's a walking simulator but the story and environments are fantastic. I was thinking SOMA right away after I saw this thread but the other anon was faster.

Some anons say it's better if you use a mod that disables monster aggressiveness but I can't confirm that.

>>377310850
>Jean-Paul Sartre
>puss out during the war, then pretended to be a hero when the nazis were defeated

THOUSANDS OF KEK

>>377310793

Being proud of knowing about existentialism is like being proud you read some Lovecraft and Nietzche. Its fucking entry grade philosophy which is why hack japs keep using it since the 70s.

>>377307153
>Ayn Rand
besides bioshock what other game uses objectivism?
and you are wrong, if we get down to it most western games hold philosophies closer to Nietzche school of though

>>377308504
Epic bait dude, your pals on /pol/ will be really impressed.

>>377310941
Maybe Rapture could have been an honest and half-way intelligent diss of her work had Ken Levine been a better writer.

>>377311096
Existentialism being entry level doesn't devalue its importance. Japs reaching for the most accessible of western philosophy isn't too strange.

>>377309719
all left wingers are SJWs

>>377308137
Mad max

>>377311096
>Its fucking entry grade philosophy
but it isn't
you can't be serious about studying philosophy if you don't start with the goddamn greeks

>>377311272
No we're not, faggot.

>>377310873
SWEDEN. YES.

>>377310880

Yes and? Its not even deep. Its just going "holy shit why do i live? What am i supposed to do with my life? Holy shit i am going to die"

Weve been at this since Evangelion, man.

>>377311287
True, but Greek philosophy just teaches the philosophy student how to understand philosophy itself. It's so far removed from the experiences of the modern man that you must turn to more recent philosophical texts in order to start building something you can use in your everyday life, which is the ultimate purpose of philosophy. If a way of looking at the world does not have a pragmatic application, it's useless.

>>377311140
then jap would be Nietzche as well because all game with a plot are [group of characters] solving the world's problem.

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>>377311417
>calls philosophy shallow
>only exposed to philosophy through anime
What the fuck

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>>377311303
>No we're not, faggot.
oh yes you ""people"" are

>>377311287

Not true. Your average 13 year old probably knows a lot about existentialism than Plato. Existentialism is pretty much the go to philosophy of rebellious teens who think talking about it on the internet makes them deep.

>>377311497
>Is the ultimate use of philosophy

If you don't understand that philosophy is inherently mental masturbation then you know nothing.

>>377311417
All I said is that it's a stepping stone on the philosophical path people take after losing or casting off religious faith. It's a pit stop, not a destination. In a way, what I said conveys the same notion as "babbys first philosophy".

>>377311096
>Lovecraft and Nietzche
>Lovecraft
>philosophy
>writing Nietzsche wrong
>unironically using "entry grade" as argument.
Yeah... I'm not surprised.

>>377311536

And are you implying the japs arent? They keep using shallow interpretations of it in their media. The just use it to sound cool. Just like how they think Christian Iconography looks badass.

>>377311497
and how are going to use philosophy in pragmatic applications if you can't understand it in the first place?
no movie/novel/videogame/manga/anime will teach you actual philosophy

>>377307153
Deus Ex
Fallout new vegas
Talos Principle
Fallout 1

>>377311691
They definitely are, I agree with that. I might've misunderstood you, but I took it as you dissing philosophy because it's shit in animes.

>>377311667

They werent dumbass. Im referring to Lovecraft and Nietzsche being entry grade literature just as Existentialism is entry grade philosophy that every preteen with daddy issues and peer pressure goes through.

>>377311715
>deus ex
political theory isnt philosophy
>new vegas
see above
>fallout 1
philosophy in that game is just jokes.

>>377311538
PETA are a bunch of extremist retards, and vegetarians/vegans in general annoy me. I'm literally a socialist, but I'm also from the rural Midwest, so I understand the importance of hunting, gun rights, and the freedom to eat what you damn well please.
>>377311586
People use philosophy every day as a guide to making decisions that affect their own lives and the lives of the people around them. Sure, some pretentious dickheads just use it as a intellectual dick measuring contest, but who cares about them? Thoughts should be in service of actions; people who do nothing, affect nothing.

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how come there is no vidya based on pragmatism, the objectively best and most intellectual philosophy of all time?

>>377311854
>now he goes with ad hominem
Again, not surprised. At least you're filling the shallow image that people have off of you.
You're an "entry grade" thinker my man.

>>377311697
I never said they would.

>>377311578
>Your average 13 year old probably knows a lot about existentialism than Plato
I've yet to see a 13 yrs old reading or talking about heidegger, sartre or kirkegaard

>>377311904
>'m literally a socialist, but I'm also from the rural Midwest, so I understand the importance of hunting, gun rights, and the freedom to eat what you damn well please.
you'd kill yourself if your feminist or BLM masters told you to

>>377308534
That's the point. He saw through the narrative.

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There are a few games tackling existentialism and the self, and they generally do a pretty good job at it.

However, I don't think there are games made anywhere that go deeper than the surface into any philosophical issue.

ITT: americans who think they know anything about philosophy because they watch anime and play videogames

>>377311854
Fuck off kid, Nietzsche is a fucking genius.

>philosophy
Nothing but rhetorical wank. Nobody above the age of 16 should have any interest in that. Unless its by accident.

>>377311930
it isnt because pragmatic people wouldnt give a shit about philosophy.

>>377311885
>Political theory isn't philosophy

Do you know what political ideology is? Do you know anything about the history of political thought? Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau. Do you know that philosophy acts as the basis of political theory? Do you know anything?

SOMA

>>377309492
The only Randian thing about Bioshock are the speeches about individualism. But the common misconception about Rand is that her views are somehow lawless and purely hedonistic with no accountability, that's how depictions of her 'society' turn to shit; they're all strawman depictions.

>>377311975

Thats the fucking point. Do you fucking think these video game writers arent anymore shallow than the tumbrinas who keep spouting edgy quotes because they had a hard life?

>>377309492
>nietzschism
>vidya
No. Fuckin no. In every fuckin video game you play as moral moron, every video game is black vs white, good vs evil, save the world, be nice to others, duty and society first. Fuck it. They may be products of nietzschist, but certainly not nitzschean.

>>377311993
Are you doing a character or something? I find it hard to believe that an actual, sincere adult would think that anyone with left-wing views is automatically an identity politics espousing idiot.

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THE BEAR

>>377312098

ITT: Uneducated people spouting opinions they learned from memes and other uneducated people

>>377312137

That doesnt mean the people who keep using his ideas arent shallow edgelords though.

Assassins Creed 1,2,4, and Rogue have some nice philosophy to them.

Also:
Morrowind
Baldur's Gate 1&2
I have no mouth and I must scream
The longest Journey
Spec Ops: The line
System Shock

wish they gave us the ability to kill Marx in this game. would have done more good in the world then taking out the templars.

>>377312196
Spec Ops: The Line is a heavy handed and clumsy example of Nietzche's philosophy, although that's purely a product of being a heavy handed and clumsy modernization of The Heart of Darkness.

>>377310654
Explain, never played it.

>>377311417
If realizing you're going to die doesn't change your life, you're probably a halfwit, and you haven't really realized.

>>377312183
they are writting video games not a fucking thesis of course they will keep things at a shallow level
philosophy its only there to give a structure and a ring of truth to the plot and what characters parrot.

>>377312325
>This anon's face when socialism would exist with or without marx

>>377312389

But I know Im going to die. We all will. But what the fuck are you going to do about it? Life goes on, bro. Nobody gives a shit.

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>>377312317
>Morrowind

>>377312325
They should just do away with the "it's how it happened cause gene memories" thing.
OR
>first playthrough you can do what you want
>second playthrough you now have to go through "constraints" based on your actions in your first playthrough ie. If you killed the target in the second mission with an air assassination then that becomes a requirement for 100% sync

Uh:
Planescape Torment?
Deus Ex?
Pathologic?
The Void?
Bastion?
Talos Principle?
Soma?

I can think of only a single game that explores Ayn Rand's "philosophy" and left wing wankery is a problem of political doctrine, not really a philosophical stance.

This thread is horrible. What's with all the edgy /pol/tards pretending to have read philosophy?

>>377312358
Tried and never looked back because of not good gameplay, guess I'll try book because I want judge game' story.

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>>377312245
AND THE BULL
Also avellone's self insert because avellone was mindbroken by bethesda's acquisition of fallout.
He wants to make an apocalyptic prequel so instead he makes asspulls that WILL DESTROY EVERYTHANG

>>377312657
That's a terrible idea. Replaying the game should encourage variation.

>>377312707

If this was /lit/, mentioning shit like existentialism or nietzsche will only have them laugh at you.

>>377312358
>Spec Ops: The Line is a heavy handed and clumsy example of Nietzche's philosophy
Spec Ops has about as much to do with Nietzsche as Call of Duty has with Boethius. I understand that Nietzsche is one of the very few philosophers that you people know by name, but come on.

>>377311028
Heard it was like if Bioshock had better writing and actual moral choices.

>>377312590
>bro
kek
>>377312743
Or watch Apocalypse Now: Redux. You can fast forward through the plantation scene; it's worthless.

>>377312536
never said anything even remotely similar to that. just that the world would be better off.

>>377312832
>>377312696
Fuck me and fuck the damn thread-transitive names. That was an accident, sorry about that.

>>377307878
Talos principle actually has some left wing aspects if you listen to the snake, you can also just play the game as god tells you to do. You decide which path you want to follow. Also, the AI problem doesnt seem that much left winged to call the game marxist to me. It isnt political in any way really. Just ethical

>>377312786
It's the only way I can think of how Ubi can say "HEY LOOK THIS IS ALL A COMPUTAH SIMULATION" via New Game+
Alternatively, didn't Abstergo absorb Sony or something? Game could just be a...game. Black Flag was a game being beta-tested by some no-name schmuck. That way your idea gets done.

>>377312810

you mean il/lit/erates? come on, theyve been discussing high school books since the board launched. nobody there actually reads they just collect books and arrange them on shelves.

>>377312841
That's true but you have to realize Bioshock has actual gameplay whereas in SOMA you are just hiding and running away from monsters. It's basically a letsplay bait, but yeah, the story and the world are both really good.

>>377312196
>Whatever every bethseda rpg actually needs

if only.

>>377312810
Existentialism definitly, but Nietzsche? No way, you faggot. Only keks on /pol/ don't get him, just like they don't get Evola or any other philosopher or whatever.

>>377313016
as if /v/tards actually play games

>>377311930
>how come there is no vidya based on pragmatism, the objectively best and most intellectual philosophy of all time?
Pathologic actually leans quite heavily on pragmatic philosophy in multiple levels. It creates one of the three poles of it's main philosophical stances.

>>377312143
Dude, "pragmatism" is quite literally a philosophical school. The fuck are you talking about?

>>377312832
Kurtz, and by extension Konrad, the antagonist in Spec Ops, is clearly a subversion of Nietzche's ubermensch.

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What is your favorite philosophical game?

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>>377313090

More varied and nuanced game discussion on /v/ than there is literature discussion on /lit/

>>377312771
>avellone was mindbroken by bethesda's acquisition of fallout
Avellone loves Bethesda, Todd and Pete. He's probably going to work on Fallout 5.

>>377313130
Isn't Konrad a product of hero's psyche or something? I remember the game getting really stupid in the end.

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>>377313060
>Only keks on /pol/ don't get him
Absolute majority of people I've ever seen talking about Nietzsche did not understand a word from what he was trying to say. He is one of the most widely misunderstood philosophers of all time.

Existentialism itself is also frequently fundamentally misunderstood, but Nietzsche is that one particular author that nearly everyone gets completely wrong.

>>377313023
might pick it up eventually.
Thanks, anon

>>377313148
>discussing about discussion
There should be board for you faggots.

>>377313270
>Isn't Konrad a product of hero's psyche or something?
Yeah, but he fills the same role as Kurtz.

>>377312196
>In every fuckin video game you play as moral moron, every video game is black vs white, good vs evil, save the world, be nice to others, duty and society first.

You haven't played many video games, anon.

You also don't understand Nietzsche very well.

>>377313317
A lot of people think these philosophies begin and end with the notion of a meaningless existence. They may begin there, but where they go from there is where the interesting ideas are.

>>377313130
>Kurtz, and by extension Konrad, the antagonist in Spec Ops, is clearly a subversion of Nietzche's ubermensch.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
No, he is not. There is absolutely no fucking actual direct relationship on any of this. Seriously, people really need to stop pretending they understand anything about Nietzsche.

>>377313270
>Isn't Konrad a product of hero's psyche or something?
Yeah, it's a figment of his imagination, a delusion created so that Walker externalize his own guilt without having to actually face it. It's hardly stupid, it's what most people do, albeit not quite to this degree.

>>377313317
Agree that he is most misunderstood philosopher every, back in the day I listened some bbc podcast about morality and nietzche and I wasnt able to stop laughing, but /lit/ gets him to some extent very good.
>inb4 nietzsche is nihillist meme
Don't dare you fuckers say it.
Also existentialism is meme.

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>>377310941
Anon, it did work. For like, 10 years. That was part of the point.

>>377313375
>no argument made
Teach me, Master.
And I do, that's why I said they may be product of nietzischsts.

>>377313490
You seem to be getting it, yeah.

Nietzsche fears Nihilism, sees it as an unavoidable future, predicts it may be the singe most devastating thing to our civilization, plays around it, proposes some rather abstract ways to avoid falling into it.
Existentialism is an answer or a cure of the sense of existential dread and crisis. Unlike Nietzsche, who deals mostly with the problem of nihilism and it's moral implications, existentialism focuses on the phenomenal experience of pure existential dread (something that honestly, is basically a medical condition, better known as severe clinical depression) - and looks for largely ethics-unrelated ways to rationalize and overcome this state and find a will to continue living.

>>377313559
A man who casts off the tenets of traditional Christian morality in favor of a worldview based on life in this world? Sounds like Kurtz to me.

>>377313987
>something that honestly, is basically a medical condition, better known as severe clinical depression
Most modern philosophy has been a collection of public rationalizations and coping mechanisms made by highly intelligent men dealing with mental illness.

>>377307878
I could swear that you only played AT THE VERY MOST 10 minutes of the game.

>>377314030
First of all, maybe Kurtz, but sure as FUCK not Konrad. Did you even fucking play the game, or did you just read an article about so-called Nietzschean themes in Heart of Darkness and thought you could brag it out around here?

Also, that is hardly fucking Nietzschean. Again: most misunderstood fucking philosophy of all time, and you seem to be one of the many victims of this utter bullshit. Maybe you should just not talk on this subject.

>>377314254
If you don't think what I said describes Nietzche's concept of the ubermensch, then you're the one who doesn't understand his work.

>ITT you don't understand philosophy like I do!!!

We all took Phil 101 for the easy points. Don't try to pretend like it makes us experts.

>>377314208
>playing leftshit games
top fucking KEK mate

>>377314140
Hardly true of philosophies such as pragmatism, structuralism, logical positivism, virtually any kind of hermeneutic thoughts. Hell, not even post-modern or left-wing ideology (Marx may have been a morally bankrupted cunt, but he was not mentally ill).
Really, when it comes to modern philosophy this really only applies to existentialism and arguably, very arguably Randism, which honestly is not really even viewed as a philosophy among most academia. Being a cheeky bastard I'd also maybe say Utilitarianism, but really - Singer is not mentally ill. Just really, really stupid.

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>>377314369
Define ubermensch fugz, NOW.

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>>377307153
k, but literally the most philosophical game was made in the west.

>>377314534
I already did. I literally used the dictionary definition so it couldn't be argued against.

Does planescape torment counts as philosophical themes?
I honestly never gave a fuck about the implicit philosophies of games.

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>>377314627
fuckin kek

>>377314804
That's a great not an argument you got there, bud.

>>377314369
A badass dude who throws away a shackles of the christian morality and becomes a selfish asshole?
YEAH, NO. That is not Nietzschean Ubermensch. God you people are stupid. Ubermensch is established as a reaction to NIHILISM you cretins. That is: it's an abstract model of a possible new value system that could fill in the tragic, terrifying void left behind by the dissolution of traditional religious values. Second of all it's not a fucking "how to handbook" you moron: it's entirely and exclusively metaphorical, based on an abstract analogy between the abstract figure of god, being the provider of definitive moral guidance, being replaced by mankind itself, but filling in the same fucking role. The Ubermensch is HUMANITY, a SPECIES, not an individual being.

How the fuck can you not know this shit and then still have the AUDACITY to tell others how they are the ones who don't understand.

And absolutely NOTHING of this has anything to do with Konrad, a man who was driven exclusively by his desire to be HELPFUL (and retain his good name and popularity), who gradually loses control over the situation and is faced with an endless chain of moral sacrifices, shaking his moral beliefs to a point where he commits suicide again?

>>377314872
I'm the middle-man who laughs at you and is not in condition to argue.

>>377314627
>I already did. I literally used the dictionary definition so it couldn't be argued against.
Ahahahahaha: what the fuck is wrong with you kid?!

>>377307153
>we can see all games the same theme is repeated over and over
what theme?

>>377314981
As if ubermensch wasnt untermensch for nietzsche you fucking pseudo. God, look whos talking.

>>377314981
>A badass dude who throws away a shackles of the christian morality and becomes a selfish asshole?
That's not what I said.
>Second of all it's not a fucking "how to handbook" you moron
Also never said that
>>377315005
>>377315139
uh huh

>>377315396
That's not me >>377315139

>>377315619
I never said it was. Are you people misunderstanding me on purpose?

You are absolutely correct.

I for one would enjoy seeing a game based on the Kantian triangle.

Why are you all still arguing about things you only pretend to know about?

>>377315714
No.

>>377315720
I had an extremely Asian IR professor in college who always pronounced it "The Cuntian Triangle"

>>377307153
holy shit that MC is embarassing.

>>377307153
Okay, if you faggots are so critical of video games and their errors in bringing philosophy to the industry, how would you do it?

>>377312592
Mojo?

>>377317052
Dude, it's a bait Opening. Clearly there are tons of games that address philosophy from different than Marxist or Randian perspectives: in fact there is basically just one Randian, and handful of (mostly silly and indie) games dealing with Marxism. Most of all the games who are known and recognized for featuring philosophical themes deal with entirely different theories and perspectives.
It's just something OP said to get a lot of replies and kickstart the thread.

>>377317373
>without naming any yourself
aaragh, just why?

>>377313978
I see. I misunderstood then.

>>377317627
>aaragh, just why?
See >>377312696 just for an example, you moron, and next time actually read the fucking thread.

>>377307153
>philosophical
maybe you should just read a book

>>377310873
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