How do we fix FFXV? Is it worth fixing? Will it be fixed by

>>377306776
No.

>>377306776
The game is already pretty good, OP.

>>377306850
Short storyline
Press X to win combat
The worst sidequests in franchise history
Empty overworld
Smallest cast of characters (not talking about playable, just poor world building)
Not being able to summon on command
Smallest summon roster
Worst main heroine

Soundtrack is good, I'll give it that.

>>377306850
The only good things about it are music, chocobos, animations and the overworld design.

Everything else is ranging from garbage to mediocre to missed opportunities.

>>377306776
We can't. There's like a 1 in 10000000 chance, but the changes are too drastic and too numerous.

Not really.

No.

i borrowed my cousin's ps4 so that i could play this game and see just how the game actually is. turns out the combat is as bad as i thought it would be. fucking clunky controls, barely any animation canceling, having to be neutral stance to be able to dodge/block. kingdom hearts might be ass, but at least the combat was somewhat enjoyable there.

>>377306776
There is a lot of content they would need to add and change to fix it, and we all know they would charge for it all.

Id say just leave it. Let them release the shitty DLC they have planned for a story that I didn't really care much for. Wait a couple years for XVI and just hope they've learned from their mistakes.

There was so much wrong with this game in my opinion. Story was generic as shit. Combat was the worst out of all Final Fantasies, even though the combat system in this game compared to the others is like comparing apples and oranges. Magic felt like it was tacked on at the last second. Summons were wasted. Party characters were alright but having no party customization or more characters to interchange is kind of shit.

I usually like to go back and replay every final fantasy at least once, but I don't think I will ever go back and replay this one or XIII.

Again this is just my opinion so eat shit XVkun

>>377306776
Honestly they should just move on. Stop it now really.

Now that they have an engine, just do FFXVI fast.

Bring back turn based combat.

FFX was the last good Final Fantasy

Square hasn't made a good game in over 15 years.

>>377308321
(you)

>>377306776
>How do we fix FFXV?
Rework the combat so that it actually resembles and designed as an action game, not some clunky button holder to suit turn-based autists' mindset. Make side characters more important to the story with each having a story arc of their own like all good stories should. Make quests and hunts more substantial. And FFS, include the Insomnia invasion in the game.

>Is it worth fixing?
Would be cool, considering it had so much potential, but won't happen anyway.

>Will it be fixed by Tabata and co by next year?
Unlikely. Tabata can't direct for shit as evident by both the main game and all the further updates.

>that Ch.XIII update that was hyped up so much and turned out to be absolutely fucking nothing
I lost all hope as it released and so should you

hope none of you guys will be giving him any (you)s.

>>377308521
>more full than any other FF world
Nothing better than a world full of gas stations.

Might as well end the thread here, XVkun has arrived.

Just fix the frame pacing on PS4.

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Bazztek be like

>>377307010
I liked the summon mechanic, actually. Considering the summons are the gods in XV lore, it makes sense that they show up when they deem it necessary, not when the mortals snap their fingers.

>>377308772
Congrats on FFXV being your first action RPG.

The combat was shit and doesn't belong in a Final Fantasy game. Fuck off XVkunt.

>>377308521
fuck XVkun is still as deluded as ever.I bet you only eat cup noodles now.

>>377306776
>How do we fix FFXV?
By addressing the core problems.

>Is it worth fixing?
No, they have better things to do.

>Will it be fixed by Tabata and co by next year?
He seems to be more interested in meme weapons and carnivals than bothering to fix anything.

>>377308521
>Nope, you can say that about any other FF though
The others don't let you heal yourself on death.

>it is objectively more full than any other FF world
The others had random encounters every so many steps, XV's are spread out and you spend most of your time in the overworld being driven around by the car.

>This isn't a problem because summons are integrated into the story
They were in a ton of FF games, which did them better.

>there is a narrative reason for the way summons work
The story can go fuck itself, games are about gameplay and the 'gameplay' of summons is shit.

>>377308660
>impervious also has animation cancelling
Impervious is a Ukemi you fucking idiot.

>>377308772
The other FF's actually had interesting ability setups and mechanics, XV doesn't.

I've been craving to buy this game and play it again, but my fucking tax returns still haven't come yet. It's pissing me off.

>>377309040
>You can tap to attack
There's no reason to.

>The main game was already better than any other FFs
>main game
>better than V
Is this a joke?

>the updates have all been good improvements
The fixed nothing but making the ring stupid OP and letting you run through Chapter 13's boring ass corridors.

>>377309605
It's a warning not to buy it :^)

>>377309538
>I'm just not a close minded retard like you who thinks all action RPGs have to be identical to be good.
No, they have to be good to be good, which XV isn't.

>>377306776
>How do we fix FFXV?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md7GhVH3vUg aka NEVEREVER

>>377308521
This delusion, holy shit.

How do we fix FFXV?
We can't

Is it worth fixing?
It's not

Will it be fixed by Tabata and co by next year?
Of course not

>>377309210
>2-3 buildings with 3 NPC.
Yeah maybe in the first 2 games. It's a step up from XIII which had no real towns but that isn't saying much.

Which one of those gas stations has a secret underground lab, or a theme park or a burlesque house. Are any of them populated with religious fanatics? Or ninjas or anything?

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oh boy, another thread of two screeching autists for 500 posts

>>377309919
>XVkun will still find an argument against this

B-but Altissia!

>>377306776
I liked some parts of the game and I really wanted to enjoy the rest of it, its obvius that at some point the team was inspired to do a great game,but somewhere along development hell it got gutted or castrated or something and we ended up with something that actually left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
I couldn't actually believe SE decided to release a FF in this state, and I say this as someone who was their fan during most of the PS1 era.

>>377309782
>soldiers stagger when hit
It hurts so much.

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XV-kun

>>377310274
>Good
Excuse me Noctis allow me to forcefully excuse myself from the party for reasons unknown but if you buy the season pass you'll find out when we make it

Just did the titan fight after not playing the game for months

I feel like I'm doing the combat wrong. Soo its teleport to an enemy, square to combo and switch weapons mid combos to what I need to slam em with, and toss in magic occasionally

Is that it?

>>377310705
Yes, enjoy!

>>377306776
remake the game from scratch and pretend this version never existed

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>>377310274
You know someone could actually post all the proof in the world and you are still so asshurt and delusional that you still wouldn't believe that they hated the game

>>377306776
Game is good, just roll out the DLC.

>>377306776
just start churning out XVI hype and forget about this unfortunate game

>>377310705
You're over complicating it.

>warp strike
>put tape over O button
>go do something else for a little bit
>when you come back there will be two different outcomes
>either you won, or you have to use a potion since Noctis is probably hurt and it takes forever for him to actually die
>rinse repeat

Have fun!

>>377310991
But I like using buffs and magic...

>>377311215
I don't give a shit about your gamefag butt buddies. And even if he did post proof you still wouldn't believe him

>>377311234
t. faggot who never played it

>>377309946
>In XV it's game over if Noctis dies
Which is virtually impossible outside Menace Costlemark.

>if you couldn't use a phoenix down on him
It'd be like every normal Action game and a huge improvement.

>The only reason that system is even in the game to begin with is
Tabata is a retarded hack, absolutely no one was vouching for this shit.

>That is still not X to win
No, it's O to win with some R2's to select an option from a menu whenever you take too much damage.

>XV has encounters anywhere on the map because MTs
Which are rare.

>can attack you anywhere outside
I don't recall them dropping in in the train chapter.

>you can call enemies to you anywhere too
So standing in place and calling enemies fixes the problem that there's no enemies to fight as you're progressing through the environmental. God you're stupid.

>not to mention the enemies are also always roaming around the field too
Few and far between.

>Other FF world maps are objectively emptier.
>emptier
>fight enemies frequently as you're traversing the map
>unlike XV
Nope.

>No they didn't
VI, VIII, X, and XII would like to have a word with you.

>in no other FF are summons literal gods.
What the fuck difference does that make.

>You can go fuck yourself SBK91
Who?

>you havn't even played the game
Unfortunately I have.

>XV is an RPG
Yes, and as a Role Playing Game gameplay comes first. Any shitty story is built around that.

>it's already done well though Noctis's arsenal of abilities and skills
By being boring as fuck.

>Summons themselves have been cutscenes in FF1-9 too
Your stupidity is mind boggling. Literally every attack in those games was a 'cutscene' because they were turn based. Funny though how another turn based game (X) made them fully playable characters, as did XII and XIII. Why did XV go backwards?

>Impervious cancels knockback animation
Because it's a Ukemi, it isn't a universal cancel and has nothing to do with attacking, which is why most bother with cancels.

i'm not terribly far yet but it actually seems pretty good. there's a little bit of that open world shitty side fetch quest syndrome but unless it completely shits the bed halfway through or something, i don't really see the blunder. the combat is a little clunky i guess but it's a JRPG not DMC

>>377311561
>collection
I found that post in a past thread
Don't change the discussion. You know I'm right

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You fix it by realizing that the game wasn't made with you in mind, get the fuck over it, and stop making threads on /v/ and find some place else to carry out your fucking obsession with some autist.

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>>377308521
No point trying to argue with someone this mentally damaged.

>>377309946
>No they didn't, not on XVs level.
They were far above XV's level. Blue, Mix, Combine, Time, Math, even Summon, all much better than XV's trash.

>>377310191
>Yes there is
Name it.

>the same reason there tap a button to confirm it in any other FF
If you hold a button you won't do anything but basic attacks in the others which is inefficient.

>And FFV was my favorite FF before XV
Man, isn't that terribly convenient.

>having a job system that can easily be broken doesn't mean FFV is better than XV.
No, having a job system that is mechanically deep and interesting does.

>They directly addressed complaints with ch13 taking as long as it did
Oh? Did they shorten it, add more interesting enemies, and giving all your toys back?

>>377310274
>Good thing XV is good
>color coded elemental spells
>hold button to dodge
>RNG cutscene Summons
>hundreds of invincibly used healing items
It spectacularly failed to match a clunky 2002 game.

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>>377306776
Actually do Versus XIII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMhg65dUTbw

Follow through on the 'fantasy based on reality' premise. Make it a Final Fantasy adventure set in a present day setting like it was supposed to be rather than just use present day architecture for the capital city.

I'd turn it into a purely urban adventure set in one city with a full scale city. Story will be based on corporate intrigue. Kind of like Japanese GTA.

>>377311776
Now you've done it

>>377311587
>unless it completely shits the bed half way through

So far it sounds like my exact experience. I had a fuck ton of fun until I realized all the sidequests are the same 4 quests in different places.

That and when it shit the bed half way through.

Oh, so that's the autism I keep hearing about.

>>377311925
Sit back and watch the show m8

>people bitching about summons in XV

lol go play summoner in XIV, then come back and be thankful for what you do have

>>377306776
1. Go back in time and prevent it being made at all
2. No, SE should not sink even more money into this shitshow
3. I hope not, this game and the stupid fuck behind it single handledly killed DE:MD.

Fuck Nomura
Fuck Final Fantashit
And Fuck You.

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>>377311838
BUCKLE IN KIDDO

>Ten years to make a game worse than FF13
>HURR LET'S SPEND TEN MORE YEARS FIXING IT

You are a moron. It was obvious to anyone the game would be garbage when the titled changed. Move on with your worthless life.

I kind of want them to keep working on it, just to see the before and after. But some of the shit is just unnecessary, like the change they made to the Timed Quests.

>>377312319
I kind of want everyone associated with it to die in a dumpster fire.

Ban melbourne

Turn it into a shitty MMO, oh wait they're already halfway there.

>>377312586
*nuke

>>377312584
I'm buying the game soon. Can I take part in your dumpster fire party?

>>377308521
Yeah, go kill 3xenemy recolor sure is on par with Blitzballing to get Wakka's best weapon, yep sure is exactly the same.

>>377312584
Okay.....?

>>377312770
I sorta meant the developers and the executives at SE the allowed it to happen.
But sure, why not, the more the merrier.

Can't wait for E3, xv-kun won't be able to keep up with all the threads

>>377306776
The game would have been much better if all that post-game content was moved into the storyline.
Ask again once the PC version it out.

>>377312949
>prompto dlc announced
>he'll just be shitposting in either the kh3 and/or 7 remake threads if they get shown

>>377311986
That's really the only thing you can do on these threads.

>>377313179
Nothing new really, he always says he jsut wants to "discuss" the game, but all he does is go into tunnel vision mode and reply to every post he doesn't like and ignore every post that actually asks questions

ff15 is my goty

>>377313179
KH threads don't put up with his bullshit for the most part.

>>377308521

>Same length as FF1-9 story

Oh, so you didn't play any of them?

>>377313602
Oh fuck. Here we go.

just forget about it like literally everyone else did, as of like months ago...

>>377313602
i hate this timeline

>>377313830
missed you bazztek

how many playthroughs of XV have you done

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>>377308521
How dare you point to others that you enjoyed the game???

I literally can't even right now

How can you not get by now why you should hate the game by all the lists composed by dissatisfied consumers?

Please do not post in this forum unless you absolutely hate games

Fucking normies get out of my internet threads..

>>377313731
Yeah I was wondering about that too. If your modern AAA story is as long as FF 1 and 2, there is something wrong

>>377314409
Beating the game and the length of the story are not the same thing

>>377313480
>But by your downfuck logic
You mean when I said >>377311570
>it's O to win with some R2's to select an option from a menu whenever you take too much damage.
Because it looks like you're burning a strawman.

>So you mean it would go against a staple of the FF franchise as far as item use goes in being able to revive the MC.
Name one FF game that lets the 'MC' revive themselves with a Phoenix down after death. XV already broke the 'series staples' by going Action, which means mechanics need to be adjusted to accommodate, unless you're suggesting Tabata is too stupid to figure that out.

>if there was no phoenix downs you fucks would be crying even harder.
No one would say a damn thing, stop citing this retarded hypothetical. KH has no Phoenix Downs and no one bitches about it.

>Just the fact that people pop elixirs and potions so much is more than enough proof
That the game's sloppy as fuck and they added item spam to make up for it.

>then people would be getting game over every time they hit 0HP on Noctis which is extremely common.
Because they balanced enemy damage output around you being able to heal whenever which means everything does stupid amounts of damage and avoiding damage is shit, instead of letting you avoid damage and attack safely consistently like a decent action game.

>Only hack here is you
Oh wow what an original comeback. Where'd you get that from?

>Everyone was complaining about it being game over when Noctis dies
Cite one fucking person.

>Nomura mentioned that back in 2011
Link or it didn't happen.

>That is why they put in a system where you could revive Noctis with a phoenix down
Because Tabata is a casual fuck.

>Except for when you have no items
Which is never, the game freely gives you items for walking around and after completing combat.

>all you are going to end up doing that way is getting wrecked constantly
>wrecked
>winning combat with no chance of failure
Come again?

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If you retarded faggots are going to shit post on an image board can you at least post some pictures? I need more for my FFXV folder.

>>377315201
>4-9
>Same length as FF1-9 story
You said 1-9. Stop moving the goalposts

I can hear his rage

>>377313480
>instead of taking out enemies quickly and efficiently
Like some Royal Arms do. Which requires item fuel if you don't want to wait long whiles between attacks.

>even trying to avoid damage to begin with.
Toss magic, hold square, use ally techs, rinse lather repeat. So technical.

>They are extremely common
They barely happen, with nowhere near enough frequency to populate XV's empty world.

>Dickhead stop being fucking obtuse
Stop saying wrong things, you said they appeared whenever you were outside and that was wrong.

>we're talking chapter 1-8/15 here
You made no such distinction. Think before you type.

>>377313727
>First of all you're a dumb fucking retard because that's not what I said
No, that is what you said in response to the overworld being empty.

>enemies are always placed all over the map
Far away from each other.

>the world is thus objectivley more full than other FFs
>other FFs
>walk a couple steps and enemy encounter
>FFXV
>walk for five minutes straight and see nothing.

>the amount of enemies that you encounter is also higher than in the turn based FFs
That is completely, objectively wrong.

>Objectively wrong, see above
How fucking stupid are you? Why did you screenshot a fight already in motion and compare it to a game with random encounters that don't show enemies beforehand? Do you think this makes XV look good?

>they are more easier to encounter
You 'encounter' them the same as always, walking into the fight.

>can have more enemies than random battles do
It's almost like 2016 technology could do things 90's tech couldn't. Too bad the enemies are all boring trash.

>You not only fight more enemies more frequently on XV
Point to one other FF where you'd go 5+ minutes in the overworld without encountering anything.

>None of those have interesting ability setups
We weren't talking about ability setups (where they do surpass XV), we were talking about summons being important to the story, keep up.

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>>377315842
>screeching and the sound of a didgeridoo in the distance

>>377313727
>like how the magic weapon summoning, weapon switching
This is the same shit.

>was integrated into the foundation of the combat
Like Summons in the other games, which were handled far better.

>Noctis's weapon summoning is, his armiger is, the royal arms are, the magic is, the summons are.
Is that why their gameplay sucks, because they let story dictate shit?

>That they are gods who decide when you get to summon them narrative wise
We've summoned gods before without them being mechanically shit, what's your point?

>in XV instead of just "umm I need summon now" like in other FFs.
Like Odin?

>only one person on the internet thinks XV is shit
What?

>No you havn't
Prove it.

>otherwise you would have proved you have
Like everyone else has in this thread so some autist can handwave it away claiming I only bought the game to spite you and still haven't played it?

>when I asked you on gamefaqs to prove it.
The fuck are you talking about?

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I'm glad i can just enjoy or not enjoy videogames without taking them too seriously

>>377312182
>worse than FF13
lets not be ridiculous now

>>377316656
You are so dense

>>377313830
>You do know that RPGs focus on narrative intergration the most right?
No, they focus on gameplay, like all games. Gameplay comes first and anything that gets in the way of gameplay is haram.

>That is what XV does in spades over other FFs
Maybe that's why it's so terrible.

>second of all it's more engaging and exciting than doing anything in any other FF.
Which have options beyond boring physical blows and three color coded direct damage spells.

>So it's OK when they do it but not okay when summons in XV are doing the same thing.
Because they're a different genre and date XV by 20+ years, and still did Summons better.

>XV went back to doing it how people loved summons to work
Who wanted RNG summons? Point to a single fucking person.

>no one liked FF13s summons
Because they were a full heal and staggered shit?

>no one liked Zodiark
What?

>no one liked free meatshields and Yojimbo
Have you ever touched an FF game other than XV?

>Literally none of those are needed
Neither is magic, armiger Royal Arms or Summons in XV, this is a terrible argument.

>and FFV is extremely breakable from blue magic alone
Which is partly why it was fun. It was diverse and utility focused, unlike anything in XV.

>Not to mention most of the older FF magic are just incremental shit
Like XV's far more limited magic system.

>through other means in XV like through food buffs
Yeah, because everyone likes the hassle of using otherwise useless consumables outside combat to raise numbers.

>XV is the only game with special effects on items
What?

>To get manual feedback
You're getting that from holding the button.

>to do the manual finishers
Which is done by holding then releasing the button to hold it again.

>to do multiple opening hits in a row as I showed in the webm here
Which isn't tapping so much as single presses with long pauses inbetween and completely pointless.

>>377314247
>Convenient for what?
That you only mention it when someone else brings it up. Almost like you're making shit up.

>I've mentioned that in mutliple threads before
Post multiple screencaps.

>It's not only extremely breakable but like you claim for XV
The difference is it's fun. It's fun to try different combinations of mechanically diverse abilities to find a neat one that's effective used correctly, it isn't fun to hold O and spam items.

>in FFV pretty much everything is never needed.
Like XV.

>See if you had actually played XV you would know exactly what it does
I do, do you not know what a rhetorical question is?

>it also comes into play even more in episode Gladio
Which is an entirely different combat system.

>What does this have to do with anything I just said?
Good games don't have palette swapped specials.

>Every FF spell is "color' coded
Demi, Quick, Meteo, Temper, Haste, Meltdown, Blue, Mix, Spellsword, Contain. All offer more than just color coding.

>The fuck are you even on about here?
The fact they are completely identical outside element.

>Or tap to dodge roll which
Is pointless.

>tap to use shield blocks
Which can be done by holding square.

>Summons are cutscenes in FF1-9
And weren't random and had more diversity than XV's. Fucking sad.

>this has never been a problem
Because they were incorporated as regular spells, not shitty nukes for playing like shit.

>because that only integrates it more into the narrative.
Which is awful for game design.

>But it's OK when Nier Automata does it right?
No it isn't, and Nier doesn't give you as many, you can't go into the menu immediately after being hit, lacks a Phoenix Down equivalent and has Very Hard to solve that issue.

>>377306776
To fix it, the game would have to be remade from the ground up

>>377316435
>You mean where I said
No, I don't, as you said I claimed XV was hold O to win, which was wrong. Your idiotic justification for item spam doesn't change the fact you burnt a strawman.

>It was BECAUSE it would have been game over if he died
Which is how it should be in an Action game.

>You can revive the MC in FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF6, F7, FF8, FF9, FF10 etc.
Because those aren't action games were you solely control one character. XV is.

>So why shouldn't you be able to revive Noctis?
Because it's atrocious game design that turns it into a joke.

>Putting in a way for a phoenix down to work in an action game
There shouldn't be a phoenix down in an Action game. Your allies are not as important and don't contribute nearly as much as you. They are disposable, you aren't.

>no one would even have the opportunity to even put in a phoenix down at all for the MC.
Like every other Action game ever.

>Again EVERYONE would have fucking cried even harder
Bullshit. Item spam is shit design, your imaginary hypothetical is just that: hypothetical.

>because everyone would be dying left and right
Prove it. People have done XV at Lv 1 with no items.

>as soon as you hit 0HP otherwise which is extremely common.
Then perhaps they shouldn't have made the game sloppy garbage.

>You are either new to the internet or have not even been following this game at all
>I have no proof whatsoever of my imaginary scenario being remotely true
Thought so.

>Everyone was already pissed off that it would have been game over if Noctis died
Then why are you having so much trouble citing a single instance?

>it was the biggest complaint about the battle system back during Versus
You're full of shit. No one cared.

>the amount of rejoice people had in 2015 when they announced there would be a way to revive Noctis instead of it being game over instantly was
Zero.

Make more Cindy doujins and kill xv-kun

>>377319008
>nuh uh I am right because I said so
Dense, delusional, and dumb. The 3 D's of xv-kun

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How are these threads still like this?

>>377319264
Give it a few years, maybe 3 years after the PC version is out

>"no you" for enother 500 posts
XV threads should be banned for a few months

>>377316435
>No, it's proof that you get wrecked constantly
Because enemy tells, hitstun, etc is trash and Noctis isn't cancel happy.

>if you didn't have the phoenix down buffer then gameovers would be extremely frequent
Yeah, because it's not like the game doesn't already let you heal yourself when you initially hit 0 HP.

>people would again cry even more
No one would say a word.

>Just go and look at any video of a regular playthough
>go watch casuals play the game
>not people who know what they're doing
Pass.

>see how much times the player gets knocked to 0HP and then pops a potion out of around 10 battles
Then compare that to a well made Action game like DMC or Ninja Gaiden, and spot the difference.

>>377316656
>since you have more than enough to get by through regular means of defence
If you turtle like crazy, which won't save your allies, and is boring as fuck.

>You can avoid damange and attack safely consistently in any battle
By keeping your distance, holding square, spamming warp attacks, magic and ally techs. All of which is super boring.

>muh boogeyman
>actually making a mom joke
Are you trying to embarrass yourself?

>This whole thread is people rejoicing that it isn't instant game over
>just people happy about a small update
>said update makes no mention of being able to revive yourself via items
>only that allies can do it
Again, please cite one example of anyone rejoicing over being able to revive yourself with a Phoenix Down at death.

>Fuck you really are clueless.
So it didn't happen. What a shock.

>link
>used to be able to double jump
>Noctis death meant game over
>Summon was a selectable option
>had machine guns, shotties and bazookas
Is this meant to make XV look worse?

>Nope
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-09-22-meet-hajime-tabata-final-fantasys-latest-saviour?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialoomph
>I myself am not getting any younger. I don't want to be frantically pushing buttons.

>>377306776
nothing it sucked just like 13 move on
>>377313602
>coulda had nox rivalry who he ends up falling in love with at the end
>instead get literal who that does nothing entire game
BRAVO SQUARE

>>377313602
Would the story be better if they have kept both ?

>>377316656
>everyone wanted it
Cite one person vouching for item spam.

>And unless you're doing endless amounts of sidequests you are using up all of that
Come now XV kun. Not everyone is as terrible as you. Between free pickups and money from combat you'll always be fully stocked.

>you're using gil you do have for ingredients
Which are cheap.

>and gear instead.
Which you rarely buy and the best is found.

>Except there is
In one postgame dungeon.

>DLC
Why would I pay for a shitty update to a shitty game?

>>377319793
2 years honestly.

>>377306776
I played through it again last week and the only improvements I noted were weird cgi cutscenes added and chapter 13 lets you storm through it with gladio

Still a solid 6/10

>>377317129
>Which requires you to do actual attacks
Which drains your health. So your choices are either wait to regenerate or use an item.

>you can't just stand in one place and expect not to get hit
We're talking about Royal Arm health consumption on hit you stupid fuck, your options for being able to continually attack with them is to either wait for your health to comeback or pop an item, it has nothing to do with dodging anything.

>Yes that is more technical than press X to input attack 90% of the time
Which is grossly inefficient unlike the above, where it is about your only option.

>You havn't played XV
I have and its awful. You can deny it all you like but at the end of the day the overworld is empty as fuck.

>Gladio saying shit about them almost every 10 seconds
What the fuck does that have to do with them in combat.

>And that's while going between actual enemies roaming the field more active than in other FF
By being rarer?

>you'd know I'm talking about
The overworld, like you said. You really need to learn to choose your words carefully instead of saying the first thing that pops into your empty head.

>It should have been fucking obvious
It was obvious you're an idiot who doesn't think before he types, that's why I'm trying to help you with that.

>ignoring how the game even functions.
Poorly.

>I said you could do that
In response to the overworld being empty. That is not close to a solution.

>in CONJUNCTION
It would only be in conjunction if it helped fixed the problem of the overworld being empty as you're progressing through it. It doesn't.

>enemies are anywhere on the fields
They're at preset locations.

>You have not played the game.
This code for you're wrong and don't want to admit it?
>>377317717
>And see what, 1 or 2 enemies?
Try nine.

>As opposed to you walking on XVs field where you can physcially see the enemies far off in the distance
Then spend ten minutes walking to that single group, yes the old ones were better.

>>377320918
I think those were the short term goals weren't they? So we still have the mid term and long term goals to go right?

>>377321115
I don't know about the plan at all, I just heard they'd fixed chapter 13, but its like a small improvement.

Not sure why they'd offer the gladio option on first playthrough given you miss a lot of plot points from noctis's side of the chapter. They just breeze past it

>>377321285
I appreciate you play as him, but I don't like the set up how they did it all, and it's making the start screen cluttered. I think they should have done it when it switches back and forth between points of view.

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>MFW reading this thread
Is every XV thread like this?

>>377321428
Yeah that seems a better option. I think the noctis part is fundamentally flawed personally, and they could address that by cutting the backtracking and dull parts to show what gladio and ignis are up to. Maybe that's the long term plan when episode prompto is added but I still don't like how the cut content is being added in a season pass

>>377317717
>more frequently and in higher numbers than your average encounter
A boldfaced lie.

>No it is completely objectively right.
It isn't. The only time you fight more is with MTs who are trash.

>But that is regular running out on the field
No, that is already in a battle, not the vast, empty spaces which compromise the majority of the overworld. I'm starting to think you're too stupid to tell the difference.

>You encounter MTs by them
Dropping down to where you walked to.

>So now you're saying it doesn't count
No, I'm saying they're boring trash, because they are.

>do far more than regular enemies in other FFs
Except for actually threatening the player.

>with better animation
This is a purely technical improvement and debatable.

>more active attacks
>anything in XV short of Ardyn
>who is a Noctis clone
>having more attacks than Shin
No.

>better representation
By having less enemy types?

>Just like in XV anytime where you're in the airship in an FF
>the times were you're looking for combat in XV is comparable to the times you're using a mechanic to avoid it in the others
And that's about all that needs to be said.

>that's the only time you won't get encounters in XV
Yeah, it just might be 5+ minutes between them, ie pointless walking.

>They do not as nothing about them does.
That doesn't even make sense. XV has all of zero action multipliers, unlike the older games.

>Summons are more important to XVs story than in others
X says otherwise.

>>377318275
>Weapon summoning is them pulling the weapon from thin air
Which is what weapon switching is.

>weapon within is being able to use different weapons on the fly
Which is animated as pulling them from the air.

>They weren't and never have been as integrated into the story and gameplay
All of X revolves around the summons and Sin, they're fully controllable, there's more of them and Yuna is the only one who can call them. They are literally better in every way.

>>377311776
>Actually do Versus XIII
Fucking this. That trailer looked FAR. MORE. INTERESTING. than what FFXV ended being, easily.

>people keep insisting that the zwill cross blades are OP and I should use them
>even with auto-crit, they're only doing about 1000-1200 per hit
>also has a tendency to miss
>can't break
>can't link
Am I just using them wrong? Besides the giant turtle, I don't see any other reason to use these guys, yet people keep telling me they're the best thing ever. Frankly, I'm doing more damage just fishing for blindstrike links for 99999 damage. Also, is there a way to cancel into sword of the father's final attack? I know you can usually cancel into a final attack by pausing during a combo, but it doesn't seem to work with the specific sword. But others have told me they have done it and are able to spam the laser slash repeatedly, alongside the buff it gives. What's the verdict?

>>377321596
For the most part, yes.
>>377321619
Yea, I don't either. Though I'm less peeved about in Prompto's case, because his departure from the party felt natural whereas Gladio's was very obviously done for the DLC.

Honestly, I'd cut a 1/3 of Noctis' Chapter 13 segment and integrate Gladio's section better into it.
>>377321874
I've seen more people drooling over Ragnarok nowadays, but that's Season Pass only and the game bars you from using it on Timed Quests.

Can we at least agree that the dungeon battles are the best parts of the game and the battles on the open world are a fucking mess due to the camera and how they all group together?

>>377321994
>battles on the open world are a fucking mess due to the camera and how they all group together?
You don't like warp striking in for 2 minutes?

>>377321994
>Can we at least agree that the dungeon battles are the best parts of the game
Eh. The dungeons are kind of repetitive/dull. The banter in them is great though.

>>377321994
The best part were the humanoid battles. Training at camp, Ravus, and Ardyn was the best part. We needed more of that and less of giant monsters.

>>377321994
I only liked the dungeon where you had to push blocks

>>377322098
Strictly talking about the battles. I think the battle system works well in them but not on the field.

>>377322085
Not particularly, no.

>>377306776

International edition will be XIII versus instead

>>377322171
You forgot Aranea, that fight was pretty good.

>>377306776
I'm honestly curious as to why anyone is still giving them money for this game? It's not good, it's not going to be good unless they redo it completely and not with the same team so why the fuck are people okay with throwing their money away for DLC and "fixes" and shit that they should be giving to customers for free because it should have been in the main game? Are casual consumers really that retarded?

>>377322171
>less of giant monsters.
Yeah I feel like the game wasn't designed for large amounts of mooks or large bosses, but there's a lot of that going on. The battle system against, say, Aranea , absolutely shown that the game could have been great, not good.

>>377322171
I wish they'd react more to hits, especially Ardyn/Ravus are just a sponge and Aranea has the Osaka team snydrome where she just does whatever the fuck she wants until the usual "not QTE" shit starts happening
What the game needed is a battle system that isn't built around holding buttons to do 90% of your actions sicne the animations are also built around it for the most part

>>377322171
This. Ignis and Gladio's AI can be down right vicious when training high level at camp.
I'm still pissed Glauca got delegated to the movie.

>>377318275
>They're gameplay is great
Explain what is great about holding a button at random times then one of four identical nukes dealing the same damage in the same way to everything onscreen.

>XV summons are literally THE gods of the world
Like Odin was, and XII's gods feared Zodiark.

>the ones who govern everything and who are bestowing their power unto you
And function as shitty low grade nukes. How sad.

>not-god summons change the fact you do factually call gods in other FF's and their gameplay isn't shit

>exact same wording
That XV is shit?

>agenda
>disliking XV is an agenda
What?

>when I PMd you.
You PMed some random fuck because you thought he was screwing with you on /v/? Paranoid much?

>Your immense ignorance surrounding anything about the game
Like understanding its mechanics and good tactics better than you?

>which would only be possible if you had not actually played it
So you haven't played XV?

>So you really havn't played it?
No, I have. Wish I didn't. It was an aggressive waste of time.

>>377322516
>I'm still pissed Glauca got delegated to the movie.
Is that the traitor that Nyx fights?
Also why the fuck wasn't the Insomnia invasion playable as Nyx in game, that was pretty stupid the way they handled that.

>>377306776
Assuming they might keep their promise for mod support for the PC version, it wouldn't be long after release someone makes a rebalance/CS fix or something...

Or that 4.55 PS4 Jailbreak might be released and give us a leeway for a fix. Who knows?

>>377306776
If they want to fix it they would have to remake the whole game again and that's not gonna happen.

It's shit and it will stay shit.

So just to see how I stand, has anyone done the third part of the Hunt Time quest where you have to kill as many voretooths in ten minutes as possible. My highest was 720. Again, I just wanted to see where I stood against other players.

>>377322928
I can't remember that one. Is there a way to check my record in the game?

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>>377322664
>Playable Insomnia invasion where you and your bros are actually there got cut

Remember to thank Tabata~

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>>377322664
Yep. Glauca/Drautos would have been a great fight.


>Also why the fuck wasn't the Insomnia invasion playable as Nyx in game, that was pretty stupid the way they handled that.
It was stupid how they handled all of the empire/Kingsglaive stuff.

The refugee thing is not even mentioned. KG feels like it's own universe at this point.

>>377322808
>it wouldn't be long
Highly depends on the game, people always scream mods will fix it, but most of the time you only get some shitty texture swap nude mods or reshades

>>377322808
Are mods going to fix the shitty story/characters?

I can say that i have fun with the game but the main story is absolute garbage. First of all you have to watch a movie to even comprehend what is going on in the beginning and then it is just "your father is dead. go and do something"

Compared to all other Final Fantasy it feels like it is missing the "epicness"

>>377323153
I agree, which is a shame because I do like the setting of Eos.>>377323153

>>377323086
I was expecting the empire to take up a huge part of the game, like 1/3 acts or something, but they barely matter

>>377323325
Yep.

>>377306776
>How do we fix FFXV

You don't, the entire thing is trash dump it all and release Versus XIII as it was intended before Tabata got his grimey shill hands on the project.

>Is it worth fixing?

See above

>Will it be fixed by Tabata and co by next year?

Fuck no and anyone who believes so and throws their money at this turd is literal shiteater.

>>377323019
No, and the points they give you doesn't match up. Like the first time I got around 500 kills but it only gave me 10 points towards the event, so I was assuming 500 is pretty bad and just wanted to check what's considered "good."

>>377319008
>You really don't know that for RPGs that the narrative and gameplay go hand in hand right
Is that why Cloud used a Phoenix Down on Aeris after Sephiroth stabbed her?

>That is how it began from tabletop RPGs and that expanded into video game RPGs
Tabletop is nothing like vidya. You're retarded for suggesting it.

>which is why things like stats even exist to simulate
Characters as part of gameplay, not story.

>narrative elements being interwoven into the gameplay is what RPGs have always strived to do
Like in FF1, where there was basically no story but 'get the McGuffins then kill the bad guy'.

>They don't make a gameplay first
>in a game
Do you have a legitimate mental disorder?

>RPGs are supposed to build the gameplay around the narrative
Other way around.

>Seeing as you havn't even played XV
Prove it.

>Wow so you can use fire 2 instead of fire 1 how exciting.
More like you can use Shadow Flare over Dragon Breath or Missile.

>XV is an RPG, having Action based combat mechanics doesn't change that
It changes it immensely. Shit that works in turn based doesn't work in Action and vice versa.

>they didn't do summons better just because they did them differently.
I thought you said they did them the same, because they were all cutscenes?

>XV interweaves it into the narrative
This is fluff and doesn't change nor excuse the gameplay being dogshit.

>What the fuck does being RNG have to do with anything
It takes away player agency. The fact you have to ask this is sad.

>That is completely non sequitur to anything
>the fact they are RNG rewards for playing like shit, instead of another tool that requires resources to use, is irrelevant

>what anyone should want for an RPG
Good gameplay, especially in an Action RPG.

>Because they were fucking shit
>unique moveset
>free heal
>great stagger
What did XV kun mean by this?

>Sorry not everyone is an FF12 shill like you.
Do you even know what Zodiark does?

>>377323153
I kind of like it. It's realistic in a sense that the main characters aren't always there for the important events, and since we're viewing things through their eyes, we don't always know what's going on either.

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>>377322664

It was playable when it was still Versus.

>>377323689
I HATE the way TQs are done now.

>>377319008
>Yes I have, FF10 summons were ass
>Yojimbo
>ass
Please explain what is 'ass' about 'resource heavy instant kill against absolutely anything'.

>>377323841
>haracters aren't always there for the important events, and since we're viewing things through their eyes, we don't always know what's going on either.


That's bullshit though, because it DOES show you events you aren't present for.

Stop with this bullshit excuse, it's not even true.

>>377315026
>Stella is automatically worse than Luna because we don't know much about her and it's absolutely fair
>"Stella wasn't important to Noctis, they just met for 2 minutes and then they had to fight" because Of. Fucking. Course. I played a cancelled game and surely some 1-5 minutes trailers will completely showcase what the end product would have been, definitely makes sense
Nobody ever told you that you can't compare finished characters like Luna with WIP characters like Stella, right?
It's simply not a fair comparison, XV-Kun.

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>>377323848
Yeah but in Versus you actually play as Noctis when in XV he's not even at Insomnia, he learns about it from Ignis reading him a fucking newspaper at Galdin Quay.
Would've been a lot better for the player themselves to actually be immersed in that scene and then maybe do more to build the empire up, pretty sure the emperor only get one cutscene in the whole game.

>>377324048
>mfw xv-kun said the game was totally upgraded compared to the 2015 trailer
>PC version will probably look like 2015 trailer
>xv-kun will suddenly change his mind
At least PC threads will finally have enuogh autism to match his own

Was the Bahamut chat in the base game or is it post patch? I have no memory of it whatsoever.

>>377324279
Can we all agree that the Leviathan fight is one of the worst bosses ever?

>>377324228
That's the thing
I mean sure it's his city and shit, but why should i give a shit, i only saw it getting destroyed in a mediocre movie. No good Regis/Noctis scenes, not prolouge quests with your friends in Insomnia beofre shit goes down etc.

>>377324368
I didn't even grasp the mechanics 2bh. Just held circle and waited for the QTE

>>377324368
But xv-kun told me it's an interactive cutscene so it's fine!

>>377324431
I don't think there's more to it, the dumb dbz section against ardyn is the same

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>>377324506
Just his typical damage control

>>377319636
>These are all needed.
Name one point you ever need any of them in regular gameplay.

>Summons is needed to be used during the Ifrit battle
Where they don't function normally at all.

>the king of light version of armiger
Which is entirely different from normal armiger.

>not only that but the regular armiger acts as the same thing as a limit break
Limit Breaks were attacks, Armiger is a super state, and you never have to use it.

>You don't have to use magic in any FF so you are just wrecking yourself here.
So XV's magic is pointless?

>It put limits in favor on raw damage
Which the others did better.

>and impact
Nice meaningless buzzword.

>which it does at a much earlier point in the game too compared to other FFs
You get Temper almost immediately in FFI, so I'm not sure what you're going on about.

>Mid tier spells in XV are doing more damage than most endgame spells
>mid tier
>damage capped at 9999
>like most other spells in the series
?

>Yes everyone does love using Ignis's cooking
You are completely out of touch with what others find enjoyable. Perhaps that's why you like XV.

>see the gorgeous food
It's like responding to an ad.

>you meld the items into the spells to create spells with dual affects
Oh, you mean worse versions of the older utility spells.

>No you don't, you get it from tapping the button.
Both provide tangible feedback XV kun, there's no need to tap.

>You mean done by tapping the button.
No, I mean release once then hold, as it was originally intended.

>That is literally just tapping the button
At a very slow pace.

>I've mentioned multiple times in previous threads
Cite three.

>>377324431
Glad I'm not the only one, I seriously had no idea what was going on that fight.
I remember getting a 1k+ combo and it taking me thirty minutes the rest is just a blur of holding down O with the occasional Warp Strike waiting for the next QTE.
>>377324405
Yeah and the game also gives me little reason to care about the Empire, who along with Ardyn, are set up to be the main protagonists. We don't even get to see when Ardyn unleashes the daemons on their capital we just see the aftermath. Aside from that one cutscene I posted I don't think anyone besides Ardyn and Ravus gets more screen time than that which is a shame.
I didn't even know that one of them was Prompto's father until I read the damn Wikipedia page for him.

>>377323841
Stop listening to every retarded excuse Tabata tries to sell you for the lack of actual effort and content/exposition put into the turd that is XV.

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>>377306776
>Is it worth fixing?
No. It's an aggressive waste of time.

>>377322171
>The best part were the humanoid battles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfR06KrKWDU

>>377324787
>I didn't even know that one of them was Prompto's father until I read the damn Wikipedia page for him.
I think that they're saving that for his DLC but other than that I agree. There's just a lot of stuff that needs more to it.

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>XV has the best combat in the serie-

>>377325035
LOL
What the fuck just happened there?

>>377324706
Holy fuck they literally stole shit from Sonic.

>>377324287
The one Noctis has with it once he's absorbed by the crystal? Yeah, that's been in since the beginning. It may have been improved with patches adding extra dialogues and such though, I'm not sure.

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The amount of damage control going on in this thread is hilarious.

>>377325191
He buffed with food, popped a muscle stim, activated Armiger then held O.

>>377325086
>I think that they're saving that for his DLC
I hate this, it feels like they stripped out important events just to sell as DLC. I get that they were trying to tell the story from Noctis' point of view but even that rule is broken in game several times where we see scenes between Ravus and Luna with Noctis not even there.

>He replied to me and I had nothing to do with his current screechfest
I feel so dirty.

>>377321973
>Ragnarok
Yeah to be honest it's powerful to absurd levels. I was dealing 5x times the normal warp strike damage that I do with other weapons.

It's a shame that it can't be used on Timed Quests if that's true, but is one of the best AP farming weapons.

>>377325383
Can you one hit other bosses with that same method?

>>377325465
>if that's true
Oh, it is. If the game sees that you have that or Ring of the Lucii equipped when you go into the quest area, it'll automatically cancel the quest so you have to reenter the area without them.

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>just insult people that will make me right

>>377323990
Yeah, but not a lot of them. Like the killing of the glacian, or transforming Niflheim into a demon city, or what happened during the time skip, or the takeover of tenebrae, and so on.

>>377325319
Huh. I have no recollection of it.

>>377325035
Isn't that Lightning'a Japanese VA? Didn't know she was also Aranea.

>>377325417
>it feels like they stripped out important events just to sell as DLC

GEE YOU FUCKING THINK!?? I AM ACTUALLY WITNESSING A CASUAL USING ITS BRAIN FOR ONCE!??!

>I get that they were trying to tell the story from Noctis' point of view

The fact that anyone ANYONE buys this bullshit excuse is fucking baffling to me. He's literally saying "the reason there isn't any exposition/content is because we TAILORED as in DELIBERATELY made the story like that as in DELIBERATELY did not put in content/exposition. It doesn't matter whatever retarded reason they came up with, if you are going to write a story like that, you sure as fuck better be putting that content/exposition somewhere else and have the character eventually somehow learn of it all. and not in DLC that you have to pay for that should be in the actual main story. People are so fucking dumb I can't even comprehend this shit.

>>377325973
and you think this is a good thing because? Cut content is good because?? I'm fucking waiting.

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>"Just turn off the HUD bro! Enemies are well telegraphe-"

>>377326029
It's not, Miyuki Sawashiro did Aranea and Maaya Sakamoto did Lightning.

>>377325095
>>377325539
>>377326179
Got any more?

>>377324930
>Oh and here's another
>Ctrl+F FFV
>5 results
>nothing about FFV
You sure showed me.

>It's not, it's just tedious busywork.
>mixing and matching movesets is tedious busywork
Do you have any idea how retarded you sound?

>XV is actually fun trying different combinations and loadouts
The thing you just claimed was busywork in V.

>to create more stylish or effecient combos
There are no combos in V, hitstun is virtually nonexistent.

>It's more fun than just mashing A to input attack 90%
Like you do with Armiger, except it's hold O instead of mashing. And why do you keep citing inefficient physical attacks?

>First of all it is needed in XV
Name one point in XV you need to use regular summons, magic or armiger.

>So now you're trying to pretend you were being rhetorical
I wasn't pretending, I was, as anyone that can rub two neurons together could see.

>But XV doesn't
Fire, Blizzard, Thunder.

>Gravisphere
That doesn't function remotely similar to Demi.

>This is there only because it's turn based
So we're in agreement the older games had neat options XV lacked.

>action multipliers would be useless in real time
It's like trying to find the bottom of a never-ending well of stupidity.

>Alterna is the strongest magic for XV
What does that have to do with XV lacking any functional equivalent to Meteo.

>Literlaly just an attack buff you can already do through Ignis's food buffs
Food buffs don't stack infinitely and aren't spells.

>Just like quick this has no purpose in a real time RPG
>speed buffs are pointless in real time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUv_MtmWJec

>See alterna or flare.
Do you know what Meltdown does?

>Literally just variations on already existing spells
What is ???? a variant of?

>See Armiger
Where did Armiger give elemental buffs that inflicted instant death to enemies vulnerable to them again?

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>>377326771
>"What do you mean you didn't see that coming? It's telegraphed so well?"

>>377325050
>But that is objectively wrong on every level,
Name one difference between Fire/Blizzard/Thunder in XV beyond element and samey status effects.

>all fire, ice and thunder magic in any FF are identical outside element
Except those older FF's had utility spells to make up for it.

>cancels attacks and animations.
Not any better than holding a button would.

>They had less impact
They were stronger.

>visual spectacle
Highly debatable, as they did things beyond throwing elements at things.

>Quality over quantity.
Both were shit.

>Except they are cutscenes just like they always were
Except they don't even have the advantage of using normal damage formulas or doing things beyond damage anymore.

>No it's what RPGs should be striving for because
It hurts the gameplay. It is haram.

>Nier gives you 99 of each item
Of which there are 4. In XV there are 6. 396 vs 594, plus the regen item. You have more heals in XV.

>you can pause at anytime
No you can't, getting staggered stops you from pausing briefly.

>In XV you can only use one item from one pause.
Which can be chained invincibly, making it irrelevant.

>Automata also has the auto chips and auto heal stuff too
Like XV's passive regen.

>you can never die in automata
Try Very Hard or the arena.

>if you're going to bring up very hard then I can just as easily bring up the easy mode
XV has any Easy mode, it does not have a hard mode or anything that fixes item whoring like Nier does. Point Nier.

>Yes you do because you will die if you try doing nothing but holding O
In some fights, and I specifically said O with some R2. Stop burning strawmen.

>if you also do nothing but O and occasionally R2 you are doing nothing but getting wrecked just to heal up and then get wrecked again
And win every fight in the game short of Castlemark and Gladio's shitty DLC.

>FF13 VERSUS PS3 was a Romeo and Juliet story
>Starring the Yakuza and wizard magic
>This got rewrittem by Tabata

what the fuck does that make FF15? A story about a flamboyant gay emperor giving you a lap dance, cup noodle dinners, and free limo rides?

>>377327761
the environmental effects

>>377325050
>you are not doing anything efficiently and you are playing like shit.
Just like your claim of mashing attack in the older FF's, except you could actually get fancy in them.

>Your desperation to cling to the fact that you can use items
Shows they are stupid OP as you can clear the game by spamming them and holding O.

>because you can avoid damage by simply getting gud all together.
Explain how you're not taking damage while spamming RA attacks.

>XV is a party based Action RPG
So is KH, and it lacks Phoenix Downs.

>an FF game where phoenix downs have been a staple
Like turn based combat, which XV also abandoned.

>everyone wanted to use them
Cite one person who wanted to be able to revive themselves on death with an item.

>>377325136
>They are FF games just like XV
>just like
>turn based
Choose one. Only one.

>just like them allows you to use a phoenix down on the MC
The MC could never use an item on themselves after death in the other games, that is a lie.

>People complained you would get a game over if Noctis died
People on the whole are retards and no one asked for this shit take on item spam. If they did, prove so.

>a phoenix down on him to remedy that complaint
That only retarded casuals were making that ruined the battle system.

>it gives you a way to revive a party member which you could do in other FFs
Where every party member was of roughly equal importance in a turn based game, something which isn't remotely true of XV.

>you are still picking a phoenix down to revive him all the same as you would pick a phoenix down to revive anyone else in any other FF
If everyone else is dead in the other games you're done, if it happens in XV you can still revive yourself, and there's already a second fucking health bar.

>Yeah you can fuck right off.
Sorry I dislike the taste of shit.

>The allies are all important
They're a resource only useful for techs and link attacks, both of which are initiated by Noctis.

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>>377325325
Stops being funny after witnessing it for over 6 months.
>tfw all you do is play is a single JRPG over and over without 100%ing it while shitposting on a imageboard defending it for most of your day

>>377306776

>Explain the whole story.
>Explain that Ifrit unleashed the desease over the planet.
>Explain that Ardyn was just Ifrit's Pawn.
>Make the players care for Luna. I can't be sad for the death of a character with less than 5min screentime.
>Explain what happens with the empire. You reach the empire and no emperor, no generals, nothing.
>Add the World of Darkness part you cut because you had no fucking time to release the game in time. That was going to be the best thing since FFVI (Searching for your friends and allies on a post-apocalyptic world) with full grown Iris as a demon hunter and Cidney.
>Less pointless useless sidequests like "feed the cat" and "Take pics for the big guy of Lost".
>Erase the overworld invisible walls. If it's an "open world game" make it really OPEN. I want to climb that fucking rock, let me.

>>377328397
Actually, you could time a Phoenix down on yourself in 10-2 so it'd hit after death.

>>377325136
>contribute to a large portion of damage dealt to enemies
They contribute almost nothing compared to Noctis and only when the player directs them to do so manually. There importance is negligible outside simply being alive, which 99% of the time is only relevant for Ignis.

>Just try and compare a fight against the level 140 Behemoth where all the members are alive and dealing damage to when they are all dead and it's only Noctis doing damage.
The only difference is Link Attacks and ally techs as noted.

>XV is an Action RPG with a focus on the party
Like KH, which was game over if Sora died.

>it has to have phoenix downs.
Because Tabata is an idiot.

>No it is a fact of what would have happened
Prove it.

>just from seeing countless playthroughs of people getting knocked to 0 non stop
Which was only made so sloppily because items could save you.

>people would be getting game overs at an absurd rate.
Or they could not make the combat shit.

>Yeah and those people have died countless fucking times
Again, prove it. Their videos don't show 'countless deaths', just them being annoyed at how terrible the game is.

>as well as save cheesing as well
No one's altering saves.

>>377328595
>Make the players care for Luna. I can't be sad for the death of a character with less than 5min screentime.
This or remove the romantic element. Honestly, I think Luna works better as a big sister/guide.

>>377328628
Actually, 13 does almost, if not a better job, of tying in summons into the story, because they're actually summoned in the cutscene a few times. You could go through the entirety of FFXV without ever using Ramuh or Carbuncle.

>>377325628
Yes.

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>>377326771

>>377329028
They and knight varient are one of the worst if not the worst fights in the games.

Wait, no, the timed quest Behemoth exists.

>>377328752
Listen, in the context of final fantasy, you do know that having your HP be 0 is known as "knocked out," right? And Phoenix downs only revive people from being "knocked out," otherwise there would be no death. Its a game over once all the party members are "knocked out" because it's assumed the monster kill them once they lose unconsciousness, but in context, having the game be over once the main character is "knocked out" doesn't make sense because he's not dead and the others could easily revive him. That's why they changed it after 13, so in 13-2, it's only game over once all party members are "knocked out." We don't want to take a step backwards here.

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>walls upon walls of text
>it's only 250 posts in

>>377329028
why couldnt they let you remove the qte ? you can't even fight them normally, you have to keep doing that, it's the only efficient way and its dumb

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>nope
>wrong
>insults
Gotta love these threads, he's like the worst part of every board and forum out there in one person

>>377329412
>tfw only place that hasn't banned you was 4chan
No wonder he's always here

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If only that would stop him.

>>377329238
This is by far the most nominal way. First off, daggers in a party heavy fight? And a full tech bar just sitting there? And he's just sitting duck waiting to parry? This is like 13 all over again, where people are judging a game based on the bare minimum you need to win instead of what's possible. It's like they made it so casuals can beat the game, so everyone chooses the casual way, and then complains about the game being too casual.

>>377325539
Still mad
Could've actually been a DMC3-tier final boss
But no, they have to push out this turd
Thanks, Tabby.

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“The world and the events that Noctis sees are merely things that are seen through his eyes. We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story in this game. Instead, we placed importance on the main characters and for the player and Noctis to share the same experience when we tell the story.”

>>377306776
1.Bring White magic into the game ex: cure esuna etc
Make the spells aoe healing
2. Have stamina deplete for melee attacks
3. Let rare items be purchasable

>>377323768
>Do you have a legitimate mental disorder?
Do you? FF7 had its story first before its gameplay existed, same for FF6, and 5 and any FF because the story and characters are always created first then they create the combat systems to best facilitate that, and for XV they did it the best because the narrative and characters are intergrated into the combat better than any other FF

>Other way around.
See above

>Prove it
You have already proven you havn't from your immense ignorance and lack of understanding of anything about the game which only someone who hasn't played it would display. Ergo you have not played XV.
Prove you've played XV with visual evidence of fuck off.

>More like you can use Shadow Flare over Dragon Breath or Missile.
Or you can use fire 2 or wait fire 3

>It changes it immensely. Shit that works in turn based doesn't work in Action and vice versa.
Keep showing everyone you have no clue what an ActionRPG is.

>I thought you said they did them the same, because they were all cutscenes?
I'm talking about the fucking narrative device of summons there you dipshit, just because they weren't gods and you could input them manually from the menu doesn't make them better than summons who are all literal gods and who choose when you can summon them.

>It takes away player agency. The fact you have to ask this is sad.
No it doesn't because you still have the option to initiate the summon when you get the chance to so it's still on Noctis to accept the summons gift when they offer it or not.

>Good gameplay, especially in an Action RPG.
Good thing XV is that.

>What did XV kun mean by this?
Wrong, they did nothing worth shit that you weren't already doing from regular autobattle shit because FF13 is trash.

>Do you even know what Zodiark does?
Do you know noone gives a fuck about FF12 besides braindead monkeys?

>>377323943
Fuck off Matt. The top part where Luna holding Noctis happens after the fight so that already invalidates your shitty image.

>>377329613
>hasn't been banned on 4chan
lol. He's been banned multiple times here. He ban evades and plays dumb right after. I once saw him get banned 9 times in one thread. I'm not making that up

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>>377329747
>The world and the events that Noctis sees are merely things that are seen through his eyes
>Except for all the cutscenes where Noctis isn't there.

>>377329878
>I once saw him get banned 9 times in one thread. I'm not making that up
Nine seems too low so I think you are making it up.

>>377329878
well it's not hard. if you have a dynamic IP you can never get banned, ever. there is also no such thing as IP range bans on 4chan. i trolled hbg and was banned like 15 times

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>>377329878
>I once saw him get banned 9 times in one thread

>>377323943
God I remember the meltdown when leaks started to appear and the whole kick ass Leviathan sequence from 2013 turned out to be 2 straight hallways, qte fest and one of the most terrible boss fights in japanese gaming history.

>>377330025
You caught me. I stopped counting after the ninth one

>>377329878
I heard about that.
Why does he valiantly defend this game in this cesspool of a board? What difference does it make on an american imageboard or to the rep of this game?
Wouldn't it be better having discussion elsewhere than this place?
Why not just stay/go on reddit and hopes he finds a place which circlejerks this game as hard as he does?

>>377330156
>one of the most terrible boss fights in japanese gaming history.
Honestly, name a worse one because I can't.

>>377330190
He will just tell you that you're a pussy bitch if you don't defend a game for years that you like. He even said that he does through archives of threads that he missed

>Tfw I just found out that when you beating the shit out of Adryn and chasing him down on the train and callinh him a traitor and insulting him personally and eventually pushing him off the train that
>It was actually Prompto you were doing all of that to the whole time

Holy shit that is depressing considering Prompto used to be a fat ass nerdy loser and it was revealed he still had insecurity issues even after the weight loss.

I always thought Adryn inside the train was an illusion and that he only used Prompto when Noctis pushed him off the train.


That Prompto dlc is going to be depressing as fuck but I bet SE will find a way to fuck up that narrative and being alone insecure and abandoned by your friends

>>377330190
What fucking thread was this? I know he's a terror, but 9 or more times? Ridiculous.

>>377330190
It's his gamefu and he's legitimately autistic about it.
Just accept it as is, he's a unique subject

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>>377330156
I fell off the hype train after that god awful E3 Titan Demo that turned out to be an accurate representation of the final game

>>377330190
>Why not just stay/go on reddit and hopes he finds a place which circlejerks this game as hard as he does?
Reddit for the most part will recognize the flaws of the game, which he doesn't. And of course, you can get banned there.

>>377330438
Why are massive solid objects flying through Noctis?

>>377330438
>E3 Titan Demo

I remember how XV-kun defended it saying there's much more to the fight, that it will have more stages to it and the arm breaking is just the start of it since there.
Haha, good times

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>>377330546
Luminous Engine is awful

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>>377324279
You can fuck off with your comparison of CGI mocked up to look like gameplay to livestream footage.

>>377324706
You can fuck off with this too, having a boss battle where you fly around a large enemy is not only a common thing in games itself but is not even something specific to either XV or sonic.

>>377325232
No they didn't.

>>377325325
What damage control? Calling out bullshit is not damage control.

>>377326179
You saying you couldn't see the Wyvern running at him right before the parry?

>>377326868
Maybe if you actually clicked the links you would see they lead to just two of the posts I bothered to even search for where I said FF5 was my favorite but now XV is my favorite.

>Do you have any idea how retarded you sound?
Do you. XV is objectivlye more fun because it's in real time, not picking words from a menu.

>The thing you just claimed was busywork in V.
Except it isn't busywork in XV, it's actual fun combat because it's in real time and you are actively doing it, not just picking a word from a menu.

>There are no combos in V, hitstun is virtually nonexistent.
Yes there isn't combos in V, there is in XV which is what you are doing on the different weapons like swords, lances, royal arms etc.

>hitstun is virtually nonexistent.
Wrong

>Like you do with Armiger, except it's hold O instead of mashing. And why do you keep citing inefficient physical attacks?

No you don't since Armiger is basically a limit break and you also have the warpstrike and armigerchain in that too. Why do you keep pretending basic attack in XV isn't somehow better than basic attack in any other FF? If I want to do 4 basic attack hits in FF5 I have to waste 4 turns just to hit 4 times. In XV I can just tap attack four times with Noctis to do four basic attack hits.
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>>377324231
I'm not seeing the problem here, that is an upgrade, and even then neither of those pictures are from the final build of of the game.

XV was objectively upgraded.

>>377330610
>That titan fight where Gladio blocks a fucking titan punch
>And after that he's pushed 30m away clashing swords with Ravus

So Ravus > Titan ?

>>377330776
wtf

>>377330610
I remember him saying bunch of crap that turned out to be not true, no matter how many anons argued with him

>He screamed you can turn off each individual HUD element
>He screamed that you can choose from multiple HUD styles because they were shown in the progress report
>He screamed Armiger is upgradable and each new royal arm gives it new attribute like ghosting or whatnot
>He screamed the car isn't on rails
>He screamed Tenebrae and Niffleheim will be fully explorable and they just don't show it yet

Honestly, I'm surprised he still shills for this game despite the devs underdelivering on it so bad

>>377330718
inb4 xv-kun replies with

>b-but muh grafix!

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>>377330776

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>>377330776
This truly is the funniest shit that I've seen on this board in a good while.

Told you guys.
>>377330787
Gladio's strength is kind of all over the place.
He goes from back and forth from superhumanly strong to just buff.

But on the Ravus thing, his DLC is about him getting more power after eating a slice of humble pie after Ravus pushed him into the car.

>>377330868
The HUD thing is one of the worst things, they basicly have tons of HUDS ready but only one of the worst is availalbe

>>377330776
Calm down, kid.

I feel SO sorry for Metal Gear Solid V and Final Fantasy XV fans.

I would include The Last Guardian but fans of that game don't even exist

>>377331093
>I would include The Last Guardian
Why? It was the best game released last year.

>>377330358
Back in February, it's hard searching for the exact thread. It was around when tabata made those infamous comments about the story
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/368303686/#368323016
Here's a substitute where a guy talks about xv-kun being banned in previous thread 7 times

>>377324706
>>377323943
>FFXV stole from Sonic 06
Can't make this up.

>>377331175
It was underwheliming as fuck compared to Ico and SotC and the game lacked that vibe the previous two games had. Even the ending was bullshit they went with the happy ending.

>It was a story being told to kids all along

Bullshit

>>377331010
They did the same with many things, including the actual Armiger functionality, Ravage combos, etc.

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>>377330890
I'd like to see him defend this cringe-inducing sequence

>>377326868
>Name one point in XV you need to use regular summons, magic or armiger.
Ifrit battle.

>I wasn't pretending, I was, as anyone that can rub two neurons together could see.
No you werne't, you already exposed yourself for not having played the game and now you're just backpedaling.

>Fire, Blizzard, Thunder.
By your loginc they are just palete swaps in any other FF then.

>That doesn't function remotely similar to Demi.

It functions indentical, Demi is graviga, Gravisphere casts graviga.

>So we're in agreement the older games had neat options XV lacked.
No we're in agreement that a turn based function like that has no place in an Action RPG, that has nothing to do with XV.

>It's like trying to find the bottom of a never-ending well of stupidity.
See above, you already have unlimited access of action inputs in an Action RPG so you don't need a shitty comand to give you "more" command opportunities, again that is just because shitty turn based needs that shit to even get an advantage bcause of how restricted everything is.

>What does that have to do with XV lacking any functional equivalent to Meteo.
Except for the fact that XV would be an equivalent by being the strongest magic in the game like Meteor is

>Food buffs don't stack infinitely and aren't spells.
They are buffs and you can stack consumable item buffs on top of your food buffs during battle which work the same as the spell version of them in other FFs. Food buffs also buff far more and better than any random buff spell in older FFs.

>speed buffs are pointless in real time
Why are you posting a fighting game that has nothing to do with anything?

>Do you know what Meltdown does?
Do you know what Alterna does?

>What is ???? a variant of?
Whitewhite just heals shit, you have some ice magic, some fire magic, it's just variations you fucking cuck nugget.

>Where did Armiger give elemental buffs that inflicted instant death to enemies vulnerable to them
Except for all that don't, plus ring

>>377330868
The best is one is when he used to say luna was a guest party member
He went from preaching it, to denying that she wasn't, to playing dumb that he ever said it in the first place, and then to preaching that she was never going to be one ever

>>377331510
>Game has a section that requires good timing and awareness
What's there to defend?

>>377331608
It goes back to the very beginning when in 2014 he kept spouting that you still can switch between characters and it was just a mistranslation.
Also that both Stella and Luna are in and are obviously sisters.
He clinically depends on shilling for FFXV, no matter how many lies he has to spill to achieve that. It's always amusing coming to these threads

>>377331453
Still better than XV.

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>>377331805
I forgot about the sisters one

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>>377331749
>good timing and awareness

>>377331510
jesus christ, this whole Leviathan sequence was an embarrassment.

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>>377331749
>good timing and awareness
Yeah, as in a generous amount of time given to you to react, making you ask why it was even implemented in the first place if it wasn't going to be a challenge. An autistic toddler could pull off this retarded sequence.

>>377331805
>>377331910
How deep does XV-kun lore go?

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>>377332087
How deep are you willing to go?

>>377332087
To the depths of hell.

>>377306776
this piece of garbage is beyond saving.

if you like this game, there's something seriously wrong with you.

>>377327761
>Name one difference between Fire/Blizzard/Thunder in XV beyond element and samey status effects.
Environmental effects. Name one difference between fire/blizzard/thunder in FF4 or FF5 beyond element and samey status effects.. Are you fucking stupid? Oh wait you're SBK91, of course you are.

>Except those older FF's had utility spells to make up for it.
So now you're saying that in older FF they are the same thing, but you're ignoring that just because there is some other useless spells noone ever uses.

>Not any better than holding a button would.
Except it does it through blink which is not holding, it's through the tap of dodge roll and you get faster startup of dodgerolls through blink too

>They were stronger.
No they weren't.

>Highly debatable, as they did things beyond throwing elements at things.
Nothing about that is debatable. Ramuh's complete destruction of a field has never been replicated in any scale in any other FF.

>Both were shit.
Says the cuck who hasn't even played the game.

>Except they don't even have the advantage of using normal damage formulas or doing things beyond damage anymore.
Except they are cutsnces just like they always were, nothing else even fucking matters, they are simply better in every conceivable way because they do more damage and have better visual spectacle and graphics.

>It hurts the gameplay. It is haram.
Fuck off mudslime.

>396 vs 594,
Wow it's fucking nothing, you are literally arguing semantics here, you still have max amount of items from the max capacity which is 99 of items in Nier automata and you can use more than one from a single pause, in XV you can only use one in one pause.

>No you can't, getting staggered stops you from pausing briefly.
Yes you can, press the touch pad dickhead.

>Which can be chained invincibly, making it irrelevant.
Except your party members can get hit during them so again no.

>Like XV's passive regen.
Which only heals to your max HP and doesn't heal as fast as Nier.

>>377332029
Not only Leviathan
Almost all major bosses sucked complete ass and I can't comprehend how the dev team sat down, saw them and said "yes, it's fun, let's ship it that way"
The only fun fight in the game is Ifrit and even then it's only because it's basically the only fight that utilizes some verticality and open space.

>>377332087
I've seen screencaps that go back to 2012. He will literally say anything that makes xv look good.

>>377332070
an autistic toddler is smarter than a regular toddler

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>>377332184
Can't make this shit up.

>>377330438
me too. I remember that I was watching the fucking demo and I couldn't believe what the fuck I was watching. Then I though that I was being unreasonable and my expectations were to high and it didn't actually look that bad, but then my friends called me asking me what the fuck even happened in that demo. Absolute disaster.

>>377332474

Nobody can really think that. That's fucking impossible.

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>>377332253
>Almost all major bosses sucked complete ass

>>377332589
First phase of Ardyn was alright I guess (even though he never got hit-stunned and his moves were a copy-paste of Noctis's moves 1:1)

The worst offenders are the DBZ form and the final QTE
Holly fuck, like, what were they thinking?

>>377332589
even Ardyn is aware

>>377332474
That's kinda true. You don't even have to look at Bayonetta to know that you can keep dodging

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>>377330438
>titan
Man I was hoping shit wasn't like that.

>>377327761
>Try Very Hard or the arena.
Try easy and autochips.

>XV has any Easy mode
And Automata has an even easier easy mode, point XV.

>n some fights, and I specifically said O with some R2. Stop burning strawmen.
How about you stop quoting mid sentence and read the full fucking thing before making your little shitpost?

>And win every fight in the game short of Castlemark and Gladio's shitty DLC.
So you havn't even played XV and you havn't even touched XVs DLC either, yet here you are trying to claim it's shitty despite you having not even TOUCHED it. Fucking hell you are beyond desperate, Nomura cucks like you are why everyone fucking hates KH fanboys, why everyone is sick of Versuscucks and why everyone is ready to shit all over Nomura for KH3 and 7R.

>Just like your claim of mashing attack in the older FF's, except you could actually get fancy in them.
Mashing attack in other FFs is the most efficient way of playing because your regular weapon and attack for the most part is going to deal the most damage the quickest.

>Shows they are stupid OP as you can clear the game by spamming them and holding O.
Shows that you are fucking shit at the game since you need to cling to items instead of getting good. Sad you still bullshit about having even played the game and you are even more full of shit about you having tried a level 1 run. You havn't even played the game once.

>Explain how you're not taking damage while spamming RA attacks.
When the fuck did I Say you don't take damage from that? How about you learn to fucking read you stupid fucking cunt. Avoid taking damage by making use of dodges, shields and proper evasion methods instead of just spamming items to heal after your HP is low from just using an RA.

>So is KH, and it lacks Phoenix Downs.
See one of the other posts. KH is not one in the same way XV is, donald and goofy don't even function like real party members and are more just like assists. In XV they are actual party members.

>>377332723
does anyone know if failing the QTEs in the final battle penalizes you? I remember that in the Leviathan battle, I didn't press any QTE and the movie kept playing like it was nothing.

>>377332987
I think it just freezes up until you press it
Gonna test now, kek

>>377332723
>Holly fuck, like, what were they thinking?

Didn't some anon leaked the whole game plot like 6 months before release and said Ardyn would have a monster form we would fight on the afterlife? They cut that because of reasons.

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>>377332987
I don't know. I wasn't willing to play that stupid fight again

>>377333116
>that anon was mostly on the bill

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>all these past xv-kun screencaps and no one's posted one for the thread where he didn't know the difference between the electoral and popular vote and made a huge fool out of himself
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/371082232/#371104078
Buckle up kids, you're about to lose some brain cells by reading this

>>377333116
Doesn't excuse the other two phases being so shitty and anticlimactic.