>Alliance >Shit at Pvp >Can only finish raids because

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>2017
>still playing this shit

Fuck off

should i play a horde paladin belf?

i like armored elves

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>Paladins
>Better than Shamans in Vanilla
Totems > Blessings
And Chain Heal is a lot more helpful than any of a Paladin's heals

>>377263275
Alliance racials designed with PVE in mind
Horde racials designed with PVP in mind

>>377263275
Horde doesn't have night elves

>>377263473
Nelf are the worst race

>>377263275
Nah. Horde only appears dominant because they always instigate ganking lower levels. On an equal level Alliance is on average better at PvP on equal grounds.

Horde is for sure better at PvE.

>>377263468
Have you not played past Vanilla and TBC? It's the other way around. Humans literally have a free PvP trinket, giving them space to put something else in there.

>>377263419
Assuming you mean retail any of the current plate classes are fine. Warriors and Paladins are probably better than dks though. If not on retail then still yes.

>>377263473
belf>nelf

>>377263823
We were talking vanilla here right? Because OP referenced Alliance having Paladins and horde not so it must be vanilla considering Belfs could roll Paladins in TBC

Also,

>instigators of ganking lowbies
>creators of the Barrens chat
>edgelord "muh we are outcast so we are ssssooo cool" faction
>more mature

>>377263419
Be a Tauren Sunwalker instead

>>377263883
but what kind of paladin?
i've never played wow before btw

>>377264026
ew no

>>377263940
Huh, that's my bad then.

That being said, then Alliance is literally better overall at everything. Look at Ally vs Horde guild stats for PvP in Elysium right now. Ally are better at everything, but Horde looks better because of ganking lowbies. That was Vanilla.

>>377263275
Shit Tier
>People who scream For the Alliance!
Low Tier
>People who scream For The Horde!
High Tier
>People who keep their mouths shut and aren't autistic enough to think your WoW race says something about your personality other than you thought the character looked cool

>>377264061
Do you wanna heal (Holy), damage deal (Retribution), or tank (Protection)? I would personally go Retribution because the Ashbringer looks awesome.

What fucking year are we in????

>>377264061
Then play Alliance you fucking queer if you want to play an elf

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>>377263465
Totems were hardly better than blessings, since blessings move with characters.

Still kept me far more vested in what I was doing as a Shaman. Talking to my Paladin friends about their raid experiences made me wonder how they hadn't killed themselves.

>W-what do you mean you had fun in PvP after raiding? And you didn't respec?

>>377264061
Do you want to hit things? Go retribution. Want to heal things? Go holy. I haven't seen a lot of prot pallies, and the one in our guild was awful but he was also a stoner. They're pretty decent at healing and dps though. I can't make your decisions for you.

But if you need me to then just go ret, harder to fuck up dps if you don't know what you're doing.

>>377264306
but blood elves are best elves, queer

>>377264251
>>377264358
ret sounds good but is a damage dealing paladin even useful?
do they compare with dps?

>>377264394
ret paladins are retard mode dps, if you're even half aware you'll do well on the meters.

>>377264394
Assuming you're in retail ret dps is pretty good. This isn't the old days.

>>377263419
Only faggots play blood elf

>>377264506
I don't know what the old days were, i've never played wow

>>377264475
is that why they call them retardins?

>>377264612
That part doesn't matter, just know ret is a decent spec and an easy way to get into the game.

>retardins
Hunter is the designated retard class

>>377264612
>is that why they call them retadins?
Yes. They've never been that complex. It's a good class to start with and if you want you can fill any of the other roles reasonably well. Have fun with the game.

>>377264326
>since blessings move with characters
By the time you were ready to move it was time to refresh the blessing

>>377264326
>Totems were hardly better than blessings
yeah those NR and WF blessings were amaz-
oh wait

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>>377264326
>Totems were hardly better than blessings
Nigga don't lie to him like that

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THREE DAYS

>>377264326
>Totems were hardly better than blessings
>Windfury
>Tremor
>Nature Resist
>Mana Spring/Tide

>>377265065
There was maybe one patch where WF totem + SoE was better than BoK + BoM. WF totem never did shit for ranged.

NR was NOT a replacement for 10% more stats to the entire raid at all times.

Cry more Ally Easy Moder.

>>377264950
>>377264737
alright
i'll drop the glorious level 7 rogue i have for a paladin

>>377266085
oh no what will those two hunters in your raid at the bottom of the meters do without 3% more autoshot damage?

horde progression was always better than ally progression so apparently it was a replacement

Someone give me a quick rundown on how to make 100k easy each month. I used to solo old raids but that's tiresome and I don't want to do that each week if I resub.

>>377265978
>Planting sticks in the ground for 39 fucknuts running around in a clusterfuck when you should be healing damn near constantly

>Easier than clicking squares in Grid and spamming 1

Ok kid.

>>377266085
10% more stats is pretty lame in Vanilla
And Hunters are only good for kiting

>>377266383
>horde progression was always better than ally progression so apparently it was a replacement

That's because only underage and manbabbies fulfilling their Tolkien dreams played Alliance to begin with. Blessings always gave them an edge stat-wise. Top guild on my realm was always alliance for that reason, but then again, their GM knew how to one-shot rogues in Holy spec and did not fit the stereotype.

>play warcraft 3
>slog through orc campaign
>and through a human one
>and through an undead one
>and through an orc one again
>to get to the night elf campaign
>it's shit because the night elf units are all squishy and shit

why god
why

>>377266493
>get the 3 gold(15, 25, 50, there's also another 50 that's a legendary item) items for your combat ally for passive gold while doing WQs
>get followers to at least 850 to do the gold missions that give 2100+ each
>get herb/alchemy and sell potions
>craft the legendaries
>flip items on ah

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>>377263336
>too young to know what WoW was back in the the day

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wow rly maeks u tink

who warmane TBC on saturday?

>>377267046
>Soon?
Now

If you didn't raid in original Naxx you should literally KYS

>>377263275
>>377263473
>horde good at pvp
>"night elves are the problem"

Did I get sent back in time 13 years ago?

>>377266553
>allowing warriors and rogues to get multiple hits off with windfury
>the godstat that is nature resist for aq/parts of nax
>more useful that some shitty buffs that you are gonna be reapplying 99% of the time


easier does not mean better

>>377266383
>hunters

Who the fuck cares about hunters? Casters could not benefit from it, whereas Ally mages had a free 10% dmg boost.

Get fucked "I'm Too Young to Die!" Dwarf.

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>>377263275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIVTT4fgPQI

>tfw leather belt

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>>377267031
>implying anyone here is old enough to have played vanilla retail wow
>implying anyone who has was old enough to play played more than 8 hours a day
>implying all the neetfags that grinded 8+ hours a day haven't killed themselves

>>377263473
Night Elves had literally the worst racials, even Gnomes were better.

>>377267305
Ahhhhhh haaa!

>>377267076
>kekmane

you are fucking disgusting.

>>377267286
Hell, Windfury is so strong it makes 2H Fury viable. Especially since it's all on separate cooldowns from HoJ and the Sword Spec procs.

>>377265450
>x5 rates and cash shop

>>377265978

>Windfury
Might or Kings, and sometimes Salvation even enabled better dps on Rogues/Warriors/Warlocks in progression.

>Tremor
Dwarf Priests

>Nature Resist
True

>Mana Spring/Tide
Blessing of Wisdom

>>377267289
>ally mages had a free 10% dmg boost.

oh shit, where was the frost spell damage blessing?

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>You'll never get to fuck Jaina's dreadlord pussy

>>377267031
vanilla was utter shit, anyone who claims to like it never played it

>>377267286
Do you know how often those warriors and rogues stayed in range of WF totem?

Go on and guess.

And if you needed NR totem, you did not have the gear to clear a fight anyway.

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The issue is most of the top Horde players back in retail vanilla are now maining Alliance on private servers.

Alliance is for carebears and tryhards and the Horde is full of normies.

>>377267590
>wanting to fuck a blonde human
>a human

Out of ALL the races in this fantasy world of azeroth you choose fucking humans.

HOOOOOLY SHIT

HOW FUCKIN BASIC CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE

>keep hearing about vanilla being so great and hardcore
>watch a naxx boss fight
>people standing on one place
>their """rotation""" consists of spamming on spell
>do a mechanic here and there

Yes I get it, getting 8 fully geared tanks for horsemen when 40 people were competing for 3 items from each boss must have been a nightmare, but that game was by no means hard. Only tedious from what I can see.

>>377267496
>>Tremor
>Dwarf Priests
Fear Ward is good but in no way comparable. You can only have it up on one target at a time, Tremor effects an entire party.

>>377267713
Gotta farm your consumables, though.

What hairstyle should I give my belf grill paladin?

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>>377267701
Then what race would you breed, anon?

>>377267527
I'm assuming he means the increased spellcrit from Kings, though I was under the impression that casters were almost always given BoW.

>>377267713
Read up on Naxx mechanics sometime, a lot of the bosses in there do more damage in Naxx40 than they did at level 80 in Naxx25.

>>377267827
I want to fertilize a blood elf's womb to be desu my lad

>>377263275
>horde
>best and mature
>undead rogues
no

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>>377267341

>>377267856
I mean with multiple Pallies you can have multiple Blessings up
Buuuut that's just more party slots that are going to be spending most of their time rebuffing and drinking.

>>377264214
>and aren't autistic enough to think your WoW race says something about your personality other than you thought the character looked cool
>implying

no, it's based on whatever your friend who started playing first thought was cool and then convinced everyone else to play on the same faction and server

>>377267759
There are few raiding situations where you really benefit from having Tremor in multiple groups versus having Fear Ward on the one person who actually needs to hold their position. Magmadar is the only one that comes to mind, and that was mainly so melee wouldn't run into the fire as much.

>>377267827
Anything other than human.

I'd literally fuck a murloc.
Doesn't matter what, I would seriously jam my dick in any magical creature that breathes.

>>377267856
even that spellcrit wouldn't be very much, I'd struggle to think that the meager spell crit from int would translate to a 10% dps increase.

I'm just assuming he's a tard and thinks intellect made spells deal more damage back in vanilla

>>377267630
always because they're meter whores and if you waited 3 seconds to drop it after combat started it was SHAMANS WHERE'S WINDFURY in vent

>>377267856
BoK was probably a 1% dps gain, the int to crit conversion was awful

>playing a PvE focused WoW clone for the PvP and bragging about it

Jesus...Jesus christ. No wonder the MMO genre died

>>377268018
Oh right, and Gurubashi Berserkers

>>377266553
iirc totems would only work with the 4 other people in your party. you would need one shaman in each group for raids.

I may be wrong though.

>>377267713
The dance was probably the biggest killer of runs

>>377267784
The 70's mom one.

>>377267630
I can only think of like 2 fights where that was a problem and it was osirrian and buru both in aq20

others were pretty much just plop totem at boss and forget

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Who ''for lordaeron!'' here?

>>377268120
It's something dumb like ~60 Int = 1% Crit in Vanilla for all the casters. A bit lower for mages but you're still only going to get like, 30-40 more Int out of Kings at the absolute most.

>>377267931
>slightly taller humans with pointy ears and meth eyes
not him but if you're going to call someone out then at least don't be a basic bitch as well

>>377267946

BC Came out 1/15/2017.

I don't think playing retail for 12 days counts, senpai.

>>377268129

EQ Clone* is what I meant

>>377268196
you mean the elvira hairstyle?

>>377268251

2007 I mean.

>>377265450
what is that?

the horde is for the white man

>>377268247
>hurr if they aren't furry then they're pretty much humans

retard

>>377268120
That's a good assumption, though I still think BoW was really important for Alliance casters. Horde required much more group management (and Shamans) to achieve the same effect, which goes for all totems really. The difference in practice wasn't that huge, but it was definitely more work for Horde raid leadership.

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>>377267827
tie her up and dump load after load

>>377267827
Pandaren

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>>377263275
>alliance
>garbage racials
>gnome only has 4 class options and the racial only benefits 2 of those
>lmao @ N Elf and human racials

>horde
>Orc is best for wars, stun resist
>Troll's berserk does work
>Will of the Most OP Racial Ever
>fucking Warstomp

Where were you when you realized that horde is the Easy mode button?

>There are people who unironically still care about horde vs. alliance bullshit in 2017

>>377263275
>OP paladins

Actually it was Dwarf Priests who had fear ward.

>>377268452
that makes sense, I honestly don't remember vanilla totem range, I played on alliance mostly.

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>>377267940
>tfw have the name Reap reserved for an undead rogue I'm going to make one day on Elysium

>>377268523
sylvanas is my waifu delete this RIGHT now

>>377268754
20 yards without the talent, but everyone got the talent so 30 yards.

>>377267940
>>undead rogues
>not blonde belfs with Xxnarutoxx or Sazuke name on

no

It's an objective fact that paladins were OP and shamans were an afterthought in vanilla. It's not even something that can be argued.

You could argue how necessary fear ward really is but blessings are just outright overpowered compared to anything else the horde can get.

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POST FAVE MACHINIMA.

>>377267341
You have to be really special idiot if you think there aren't people who played vanilla in here

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>>377267827
I want to racemix with the beautiful female Draenei and create the perfect race blessed by the Light

>>377268971
The only thing Paladins were good at is not dying

>>377267827
Worgen. Seems like the quickest way to be a werewolf.

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>>377267827
Night Elves

>>377263275
The alliance is literally played by children and prissy women who don't actually play video games

Blood Elves are also played by ex alliance people

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Are there any good vanilla or BC servers left anymore? It's been a few years since I've looked and I'm getting the itch.

>>377269354
>tfw monk healer
How bout I slap your shit and heal it.

Alright guys, I'm buying a token...

>>377267827
Draenei or nelf. I like exotic girls.

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Want to play official classic? Go play Rexxars campaign, its WoW before WoW

The truthful comparison between Totems and Blessings is that Totems had greater potential for DPS increase in a well-coordinated (and geared) raid with optimal class composition. This meant having 8 Shaman, such that entire 40-man raid could benefit from their totems, at least 7 of which were Resto and thus had to be mindful of their totems' positioning in addition to their healing duties. You also had to make sure each of those Shaman were fully cognizant of the status of their totems, which was particularly crucial for melee DPS groups as they would have to be moved fairly often. The token enhancer was usually placed in the tank group, but if you happened to be carrying more then they would make doing melee groups easy at least.

The biggest issue I can think of though was that the equivalent of Blessing of Salvation, a spell which is often regarded as crucial for early progression, wasn't very practical to use. Whereas Salvation could be selectively placed on your raid's biggest threat generators to enable them to do more DPS, Tranquil Air affected your entire party and took up a slot for a more useful totem such as Windfury, Grace of Air or the situational Grounding Totem. This leaves only caster groups, which oddly enough didn't benefit much from threat reduction in the first place as they were mainly composed of low-aggro Frost Mages in addition to having a 130% threat requirement to overtake compared to melee's 110%, which afforded them a greater buffer in the event that they wound up with a lucky string of crits. Thus, Tranquil Air was used almost exclusively in Warlock groups. This is significantly less useful than a targeted buff like Salvation.

>>377269775
Fuck, I'm 8k off. I'm not paying $15 for this.

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>WoW thread
>Nothing but bitching and crying that the game isn't good anymore or glorifying vanilla when it was a broken piece of shit
Just move on to XIV like everyone else or realize MMO's is a shit genre. These threads are no better than the LOL threads or eceleb shit. It's just circlejerking and shitposting.

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>>377269751
I'd play the shit out of monk if it weren't for the current state of the game. They were damned good in MoP.

>>377270264
XIV's alright but it's got all the same problems that WoW's had since WotLK

>>377270356
It's the only MMO worth playing these days. So it's that or nothing. The smart thing is nothing.

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>>377270326
>make a qt nelf monk
>Then realize their class dps spec has shit legendary that rely on gimmicks instead of just pure buffs

>>377270429
Or you could play a private server running a version of a game you enjoy more, whatever game that is
Or just play something else

>>377270429
There's ESO too, new morrowind is coming

>>377264138
>random private server
>stats for vanilla wow

choose one

>>377270540
>Be Blizzard
>Actually include fun mechanics into a class
>People only want flat % dmg increase anymore

It's not Blizzard's fault the game went to shit. It's retards like this who demanded casual craft. They only listened to their playerbase.

>>377270183
I should also add that another reason Paladins were regarded as making raiding easier for the Alliance is not that they were durable healers (Shaman, despite wearing mail, were also incredibly sturdy), but because of their incredible inherent mana efficiency combined with panic buttons such as Lay on Hands and Divine Intervention. There were also situations such as the suppression rooms where having a Prot Paladin (typically just a buffbot who occasionally offtanks adds) straight up trivializes learning to progress through it.

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If Thorim and the other keepers aren't in Ulduar. Who's watching Yogg'saron?

>>377270619
I can get ESO for like $10 but I don't know if its a good MMO to just walk around in and stare at shit

>>377270664
There's a difference between fun mechanics and gimmick mechanics like a legendary that makes you use a spell that you'd normally never use in your spec

>>377270683
what a cool fucking dungeon that place is. WoW is so dumbed down these days, dungeons are just "Some spot/boss/anotherspot/boss/yetanottherspot/reward"

Just depressing

>>377271117
Are there any recent MMOs where the dungeons aren't just boss corridors?
XIV was the biggest fucking waste of good art assets for dungeons used in straight runs from boss to boss or single boss rooms.

>>377271117
If you go back even further you will find dungeons that were designed to resemble places rather than decorated hallways.

>>377270683
Memeiron is still there

>>377270540
ww legendary does a fuck huge damage cone, what's the problem

>>377271312
Karazhan and Blackrock are still my alltime favorite dungeons. Diremaul, Gnomergan, and Blackfathom Deeps come very close, but are still memorable.

>>377271580
Dire Maul is underrated

>>377263275
>tfw the only spec you used to enjoy is complete shit 2 expansions in a row.
Thanks blizzard.

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>>377271117
Good thing i saved this.

>>377271748
>cherrypicking

>>377271560
Aside from the legendary that just reduce's Fists of Fury by 1 chi, the other legendaries are rely situational, hell the Drinking Horn one requires you to use Serenity

is gilneas great again

>>377271748
Thanks you

>>377271748
I've never even played WoW and I already know this isn't true.

>>377271931
Not until Genn gives Sylvanas the knot over his son's grave.

>>377271990
I've played vanilla, and the above post is true

>>377271748
>Dungeon maps
FUCKING CASUALS

>>377271748
Not only are these cherrypicked (lol Ony's lair), but Wailing Caverns is actually more complex than anything in TBC onward. This has nothing to do with nostalgia, it was a legitimate design decision intended to make dungeon runs shorter, utilizing wings similar to Scarlet Monastery and Dire Maul (more SM than DM though)

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>>377271882
Hey I'm all for big long dungeons that need keys and attunements.

>>377271882
What's the exception? Blackrock Spire?

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Was it's morally right to attack Taurajo?

>>377272339
Tauren are huge dindus so yes.

>>377269881
i would if i knew how to fix the stretched screen

>>377272339
>hunter outpost actively aiding the Horde army
Yes

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>>377272149
ST and BRD may have been pushing it, but i feel like the slower pace with lots of downtime was a deliberate decision to encourage socializing, which has slowly been casualized into completely silent 10 minute speed run for pixels

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Do you prefer legion style questing or the quest hub with 5+ quests with no direct story?

>>377272569
BRD was originally intended to be a zone in early development IIRC, kinda like the elite Troll temple in the Hinterlands. Which is why it's so fucking huge probably.

The opposite sorta happened with the Nerubians in WotLK where we were supposed to get a huge zone but at some point early on they scrapped it down to a dungeon, if you use cheats on a private server or something you can see a ton of the background in Azjol Nerub is actually completely finished.

>>377272717
>Legion style
It's just a continuation of what they started in Cata.

>get sent to town
>do quests in town
>get sent to next town in zone
>repeat until finished
>maybe get a climactic quest with a blue reward

>>377272160
I just don't get why MMO's can't have a mix of long sprawling clusterfucks and shorter dungeons.

>>377272162
The Vanilla section uses Ragefire Chasm, Deadmines, and Wailing Caverns, which are the very first dungeons in the game. There are also individual wings of Scarlet Monastery, the final part of Maraudon, and also Onyxia's Lair (a single-boss raid).

What was left out were dungeons like Blackrock Depths, Sunken Temple, Zul'Gurub and Lower Blackrock Spire, which are good examples complex dungeons that resembled actual places rather than corridors.

>>377272717
Legion questing is the best its ever been, Stormheim and Val'Sharah were great

>>377272717
I prefer the actual game to be good. Nobody gives a shit about leveling quests anymore.

>>377272717
Quest hub WITH story throughout, a chain or two, and maybe some hidden quests as well. Throw in some zone events and pvp goals for good measure.

>>377272790
im still waiting on Ashzaras crater bg

>>377272929
There was an instance portal in the Bay of Storms that was removed early on as well.

>>377263275

Could not PVP as horde because it was too easy.

Could not PVP as Alliance for an actual challenge because most alliance players are real life retards or not very good at games to begin with.

>>377272790
>a ton of the background in Azjol Nerub is actually completely finished
Not really. They deliberately made it that way to give the impression of scale.

It was basically a cop out, they couldn't be bothered with making a full zone but they still wanted players to feel like they were in a huge underground Nerubian empire. Which is why Azjol'Nerub has that entirely pointless drop into water before Anub'arak and why Ahn'kahet is so open

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Whole of Tol'barad

>>377273101
I tried to play Alliance, I tried. But Alliance players are fucking stupid.

>Tfw we'll never see what WoW would've been like if they finished filling in all the unfinished shit in Vanilla before moving onto the expansions

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>>377273124
All of Kalimdor

>>377273156
I tried playing Horde bu their biggest server is literally China

>>377263275
>Why have the Horde always had the best and most mature players?
More mature players weren't as manipulated by sex appeal.

In vanilla Alliance had Night Elves and Humans, while horde had

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Is there something mentally wrong with people who still play this game? I can't imagine anybody who is well-adjusted thinking it's a good idea to play Legion.

>>377273124
Tol Barad made no fucking sense

>Hey you're new here
>I'm just going to assume you know why there's ghosts and skeletons and a village of tauren, orcs and humans and tell you to deal with them
>No I will never explain what the fuck is going on

>>377273286
Horde had Orcs and Forsaken

>>377263823
>Nah. Horde only appears dominant because they always instigate ganking lower levels. On an equal level Alliance is on average better at PvP on equal grounds.
There's no way you can know this. Please think.

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>>377273438
the dead kid who wanted to find his dog

>>377273438
The place that is a shrine to a dead cancer kid.

>>377273438
remember when blizzard catered to dying children but could give a fuck less about aids filled gays?

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Filename.

Could you make the jump?

>>377268234
>pre third war
>"Alterac"

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>>377273607
>Tfw playing on an shitty laptop
>Getting a rock solid 12 FPS at minimum settings

>>377273408
Which aren't known for their conventional sex appeal like night elves

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I know these are all similar but which would be best for Pvp/Ganking? I can't decide

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Do you agree with this?

It needs to be updated.

>>377273779
>not going dual mace mastery for memestunning

>>377263275
>Why have the Horde always had the best and most mature players?
Spoken like someone who hasn't been in a party with a belf paladin.

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LEGACY SERVERS WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

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>>377273885
I was mace spec back in vanilla, I think the base of these builds is more "trolly".
>dual mace
>dual crusader
>5c SnD
>blade flurry
>mfw

>LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH MORE MATURE I AM THAN YOU

you sure showed them

>>377273859
Cataclysm was the final nail in the coffin. The game died with WotLK but CATA sealed it's fate and demonstrated the hatred Blizzard has for it's own game by ripping it apart and gutting it for the sake of convenience.

>>377273859
>Naxxramas not "our god is an awesome god"-tier

that was the best instance ever, fucking loved the bosses in that

>>377274056
I don't want them anymore. Blizzard can't even handle a remaster of BW properly.

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Alliance were always superior because of Paladins. It was a massive advantage in PvE and PvP. Shaman were a light PvP counter to Paladins but bubble was obviously a Royal Flush. Windfury Totem was godlike in PvP especially with a Warrior train but a well-timed blessing was an advantage over a purge, since by nature purge wasn't preventative. With everything equal Alliance had the leg up in PvP. PvE isn't even a question. That said a lot of us could still outperform 99.9% of Alliance just on good leadership and skill alone.

>>377274132
Most didn't even get to see it. Not that it was a bad thing that the highest tier of raiding was inaccessible, but unlike prior patches, there was nothing added for lower level players, more casual raiders or PvPers. The event was cool though at least.

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>>377274243
>paladins godlike in raids
>most useful feature is buffs that lasts five minutse
>in a 40 man raid

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If you had the choice to update a raid to legion quality of mechanics and mythic difficulty.

What raid would you choose?

>>377268234
>Tol'Barad is that close to Lordaeron

I was never into the lore of Warcraft but I can see why Lore Nerds are mad 24/7

Reminder that the Post-Cataclysm Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor have now existed longer than the Vanilla ones

>>377273859
I forgot about VOIP in-game. Nobody I knew used it. Is it even present still?

>>377274402
BWL

>>377274136
As a somewhat hardcore BW player im backing this dude hard. They fucked the input system on a 20 year old game. How the fuck did they manage such a stupid thing?!

>>377274243
>With everything equal Alliance had the leg up in PvP.
Horde had better racials generally. Especially Orcs.

>>377274395
You just refresh them every 5 minutes instead of every 2 minutes.

>>377274507
I tried it once with a friend, it was really shitty quality.

>>377274605
But you'd have to recast it on every class that needs your buff (I honestly don't even know if Greater Blessings existed in Vanilla, now that I think about it) which is much more expensive than plopping down a fresh Totem.

>>377274395
druids were mostly around for innervate

spriests were the only well designed support spec in vanila

>>377264612
>is that why they call them retardins?
more to do with ret's stigma in vanilla

>>377274243
>Alliance were always superior because of Paladins
Paladins could've been immortal as far as I saw it back in early vanilla.

Mage, warlock, warrior, other priests, hunters, two rogues who jumped me while I was killing mobs and I could melt their face, but when it came to a paladins I was doomed as soon as it started.
It might take a while, but sooner or alter the fight would end up with me being out of mana and the paladin at full hp again bashing my face in.
Druids were tough, but they were doable. Problem there was that if they were good they could get away if they started losing.

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Ding!

>>377274858
Nature's Swiftness and max rank Healing Touch made for a nice ghetto Lay on Hands, way shorter CD too. Overall not as good as Priests but very nice for keeping the raid topped off in AoE heavy fights.

Any vanilla private servers that aren't dead?

>>377274402
Ulduar

Post more slutmogs, I feel like making a qt human rogue

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>>377275042
>Leveling as a Priest
>Finally get Shadowform
>Get jumped by a Druid not long after
>Almost kill him, can't do shit to stop him from running away and healing up though
>Try to drink quick
>Druid attacks again
>Repeat 5 times until I'm out of mana and eventually get killed

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>>377275336

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>>377273124
>tfw nostalgic over shit in cata now
I did stick to PvP though

>>377274402
>update a raid to legion quality of mechanics and mythic difficulty.
You mean casualize the shit out of it and make it a hallway?

>>377274718
Paladins were extremely mana-efficient and only needed to cast a buff per person, whereas Shaman had to stack tons of mp5 along with mana spring to be able to sustain constant heals and totem replacement.

>>377275610
mythic nh is more difficult than anything in vanilla, even with gear

except maybe anathema

>>377274858
Shadow Priest support is entirely based around a single debuff though, otherwise they're just aggro monsters with okay dps.

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How do I fix this build for pvp? I want to keep maces.

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>>377272717
I preferred Cata with major hub linking linear progression to the next hub. Felt like an adventure. Fite me nerds.

>Vanilla/BC/Wrath
>Quest hub is 30% "go to the next quest hub" quests
Garbage

>MoP
>Do 4 things then walk across the entire map because fuck you
Bleh

>WoD
>Do 2 things then a bunch of busy work in quest areas and then fuck off to the next zone
0 investment in the world

>Legion
>The worst bits of Cata and WoD combined, and then endless world quest dailies
Just fuck off already

>they finally remake the player race models
>look just like the old models with better textures and maybe slightly better head shapes
>HotS comes out
>every single Warcraft character looks way better in HotS than they do in WoW

WHY IS THIS ALLOWED

WHY CAN'T I MAKE AN ELF THAT LOOKS LIKE HotS TYRANDE

WY DID THEY CARE ABOUT MAKING THEM LOOK LIKE THE OLD MODELS WHEN THERE'S A SETTING TO USE THE OLD MODELS ANYWAY

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>377276025
SC2 engine vs. the WC3 engine.

>>377276091

NEW MMO IN SC2 ENGINE WHEN

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>>377276025
Gotta sacrifice quality in exchange for making their models magnets for thousands of pieces of gear

>>377276203
Project Titan :^)

>>377276203
Never. Blizzard can barely manage an FPS, there's no way in hell they can ever do another MMO. They can't even maintain the one they have.

>>377275989
Every playthrough of a Cata zone on a new character would be exactly the same, you would never change anything up based on your class/spec, the people you were playing with, the number of players doing things or even your own whims. It's either that linear crap or you sit in a city chaining dungeon finder.

>>377276203
The SC2 engine is complete garbage for anything but modern 3d art. I STILL click one direction in HotS only to move in the opposite 30% of the time.

Just get all your porn in ZBrush and deal with in-game being trash.

>tfw you smacked a paladin in his gob and managed to interrupt his .0025 second cast heal
>tfw you feared a mage who frost nova'd you before he could blink away
>tfw a rogue dodged you and activated overpower
>tfw you disarmed a hunter
I wouldn't even know how to play warrior now, last I remember was the WoD prepatch where it looked like whirlwind was the only rage dump

>>377276270
That was the code name for Overwatch, right?

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>>377275416
Havent got many slutmogs for rogues eexcept with the ceremonial pants.

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>>377263275
>implying people who play Paladins are the only good players on Alliance
Can't say I disagree.

>>377275989
Cata at release was pretty great. The first patch that rolled out ruined everything though.

>>377276383
>Every playthrough of a Cata zone on a new character would be exactly the same

It's always the same regardless of expansion. Quests don't change. Zones don't change.

> you would never change anything up based on your class/spec
Literally never happens.

> the people you were playing with
Literally never the same.

They knew questing never changes, and they refined it for an optimal experience. Trying to pretend those other factors matter are how we get boring chore hubs with no background tying them together.

Just stop pretending questing is an open world ever-changing experience. It's not.

>>377273294
>skill tree is now a skill catalog
honestly that still does it for me to this day. It's retarded as fuck

>>377276491
They supposedly used a lot of shit from Titan's development in Overwatch, so who knows. Titan got canned a while before Overwatch was a thing.

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>you'll never go gank leveling clothies in Hellfire on your 49 twink ever again

>>377276491
It was a mmofps that got scrapped and cannibalized into Overwatch

>>377276667
>It's always the same regardless of expansion if you use a leveling guide
fixed that for you

anyways, it was never good per se, but you had a lot more freedom while leveling

>>377276569
i liked all the QQ about the 4.1 remakes being too hard, but it was obvious they were having talent/management problems by then

>>377263465
Freedom and bubble alone make pallys better in vanilla pvp by a mile

Warriors with a non dispellable freedom can run around two shotting clothies

>>377263823
>Humans literally have a free PvP trinket, giving them space to put something else in there.

the meme is real. It's sad how people who were "better" at pvp always cried abuot the human racial when a ton of non-humans were at the top of the ratings.

The pvp and pve crowd are min-maxers so they simply flip over to which every has the better racials. That's all it's ever been. No side is naturally better than the other. It's all abuot blizzard's shit balance and making the hardcore whales faction transfer over and over.

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What happened?

>>377264950
>wanted to start healing
>level a disc priest
>struggle, but learn
>later level a paladin for arenas
>try out holy for shits and giggles
>it's so fucking easy compared to Disc
>find out I went backwards in terms of difficulty progression

>>377263275
What's the best Rogue spec for single target?

>>377277820
Make a Ambush Backstab build.

Hey guys I noticed this WoW thread and I saw that people hadnt started talking about FFXIV yet. Unacceptable!

WoW is so shit fuck anyone who plays it. Youre actually retarded if you play it. FFXIV is the best MMO ever made. Period. It has Chocobos and Cat girls. And EVERYTHING is anime. Anime fucking rocks. And everything about the game is better in every way.

>>377277403

Neo-Blizz

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>>377278008

>>377278008
Disregard this post I suck cocks

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>Argus is going to be 7.3 and nothing else
>Argus is going to be the end of the Legion storyline
>next expansion is basically confirmed to be Naga/N'zoth/Void God orientated

>>377278241
>Naga/N'zoth/Void God orientated

Just like everyone has been saying for the past 3 expansions.

I'm curious how they plan on tying the Legion to old gods, because they literally can't.

I heard Alex drop some retarded cryptic shit about Nagas, and that's STILL retarded.

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What class is the hardest to play?

>>377278562
>add a shit ton of new Old God lore, have Azshara show up for literally no reason, Emerald Nightmare is basically an Old God raid without an Old God, Nightwell has a boss that flat out says "the Void Lords are going to eat us", Sargeras' new motivation is aborting the baby Titan inside Azeroth so the Old Gods can't corrupt it, there's already a bait and switch precedent set with Orclords of Orcnar being a setup for Legion

Yeah, I just can't see how the next expansion could end up with the Cthulu ripoffs as the main antagonists

>>377278853
Locks and SPriests

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>>377276474
>that time they built WW right into Arms single-target rotation like it was normal or okay
>that time they killed Heroic Strike
>that time they killed fucking GLADIATOR spec

Being a Warrior is suffering.

>>377278856
>WoD
>bait and switch

No such thing. Gul'Dan was clearly the villain from the get-go. The entire expansion was about him.

Legion is an extreme case of existential crisis unsure whether it's about the Legion or a massive nostalgia wank leading to the total asspull of Nazjatar=N'Zoth, and that somehow being a bigger threat than fucking Sargeras.

No wonder Metzen quit.

Horde was "better" at PVP due to OP racial's & Shamans

>>377281094
>racial's

>>377273606
How tumblr of you to say.
>>>/moonguard/

>>377273607
>jumping
>not going over the rocks by the wall
:shakemyhead:

>>377275101
grats!

>>377277403
I wanna punch whoever made the
>le demons can't die unless they die in the nether xd
clause in the fucking dick. Such a lazy way to bring back a bunch of characters we already killed.

>>377263275
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

>>377282717
That's been part of demon lore almost since the start

Is arms still complete dogsht?

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>>377283332
Nope, I main it and do around 700K easy at 907.

You just need Convergence and the BiS gloves to make sure you don't get rage-starved

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>>377278853
>Drakedog didn't make a WoD or Legion video but still plays

>>377283594
I'm not talking numbers you spastic retard.
Does it still play like shit mechanically? Is FR still mandatory?

>>377283706
>Is FR still mandatory?
Yep

What do you mean play like shit? The rotation is straight-forward as hell
>Colossus Smash (1FR)
>Cleave or Whirlwind (2FR)
>(3FR) Mortal Strike for 2 mil

>>377283642
Why would he make a video? You literally cannot die in WoD or Legion.
>10000000000000000000 HP
>infinite mana
>every class just needs to press one button

>>377283865
>every class just needs to press one button
Just like TBC!

>>377283903
wrong.

>>377283824
I'm guessing your a newfag to arms if you don't find anything wrong with it.

>>377283903
tbc had real multidot, legion has faceroll to dot everything within 30 yards (with 800% threat for tanks)

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>>377284020
You're the newfag if you're asking how it is.

>>377283959
>warlocks only needed to spam SB
>NO YOU ARE WRONG NOOOOOOOOOOO STOP PlEASE NOOOOOO *sniff* NO PLEASE YOU HAVE TO SUCK MY DICK

>>377263275
>Alliance
>Shit at Pvp
>Horde
>Gods of Pvp
What the fuck? On what mexican server did you play?

From mid vanilla to late wotlk, alliance was winning 95% of battlegrounds despite being outnumbered 45-55% on every server. Horde had some god tier pve guilds, but PvP wise they were pathetic. Alteracs were over in less than 4 minutes with a all man rush final boss, warsong was always 3-0.

Full T2/T3 horde fuckers couldn't enter a dungeon because a bunch of undergeared allies were spawnkilling them lmao.

And for a long ass time shamans were a trillion times better than pallys in both pvp and pve.

>>377284191
>Only 40 days played besides 110.
Most likely all in WoD.
And of course a fucking newfag cunt would not find anything wrong with it. Last I played was at the beginning of Legion is why I asked.
I feel sorry for you if you have only played wod and legion arms, literally 2 worst iterations of it.

>>377284454
I've yet to see you prove you're less of a newfag than me

>>377284653
I don't need to prove shit.
People that are content with current arms design obviously have no previous experience with the spec.

>>377284764
Considering how warriors are constantly top dps, why is it a problem to be content

>>377284352
I was Demo I never spammed SB

>>377284396
Laughing Skull(US) - the only good NA server

>>377273438
The small village at the Tauren starting zone

>>377284840
Spec designed so heavily around colossal smash rng that you do no damage without it, mandatory focused rage an ability that is terrible design, overpower spell reflect and stances all talents, 20 sec no stun charge, went from being the best mobility melees classes to one of the slowest over last few expansions, gotta choose either double time or stun, shattering throw removed, ect.
Prob bunch of other shit I forgot but fuck blizzard and fuck the blue haired kike cunt that is behind class design.

>>377263465
You clearly never raided endgame AQ40/Naxx benefits a LOT from the threat reduction buff. And don't try to bring the thread reduction totem into play here, shamans had to be in the same group which meant they weren't giving windfury.

Play a full BiS fire mage and lets see you manage threat when your ignite is ticking like crazy the whole fight. And to stop it requires ALL fire mages to stop damage and you lose a fuckload of raid dps.

>>377263275
i just assumed that kids (like me back in 2006) take the "Alliance = Good Guys, and im a good guy". while the edgy teenagers/adults obviously took more to the evil looking outcast guys. skill then went with avg age.

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Isn't it funny how the horde always calls themselves mature, while actual mature people don't need to state that they are?

>>377263473
Night elf was my first charecter. I still remember the trek to stormwind to meet my brother's dwarf charecter. good times.

>>377285793
This, I remember stopping dps after 1 minute on patchwek and spamming raid chat for fire mages to stop damage. I stood still and did nothing for 3 minutes then pulled aggro and got blamed for it.

>>377267031
it was shit back in the day lol

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>Horde

>Willing to play a degenerate faction

>>377276867
ayy i remember that tabard