Is there anything like Elder Scrolls games that has actual depth

>>377259345
morrowind

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>>377259425
>morrowind
>depth of story

>>377259483
morrowind

>>377259425
Something that isn't a TES game.
But I'm looking for a game that has a more complex NPC interaction.

>>377259345
arx fatalis

>>377259587
morrowind

>>377259593
morrowind

gothic

>>377259345
Gothic

New Vegas

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>B-BUT YOU CAN'T HIT ANYTHING IN MORROWIND

Cyberpunk 2077 might be good.

>>377259587
Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines

Grab it on GoG, install the latest unofficial patch from here patches-scrolls.de/patch/4647/7/

You are in for quite a ride I tell you.

>>377259483
You've read Vivec's Sermons, no? How about the Heretics' side of the Nervar story? Dagoth Ur's? Do you know what Dagoth Ur's doing to the people, what he is, why he's doing all of this?

How about the Daedric Princes' perspective on the events of the game? The Nine Divines'? The Emperor's?

Game's got some depth, yo. Text will do that.

>>377260000
If I knew ANYTHING about animation creation, I'd animate each enemy model to display some sort of dodging move right after and just before an attack, just enough to help the misses make a tad more sense, visually. Doesn't have to be stark, just a step or two back, then forward again sort of like fencing.

>>377260835
Not even depth though. It's just doing a lot of reading to actually know why people are doing something.

>>377260805
Already played it, and replayed it many times.
I wish there was a sequel.

>>377261060
give the antitribu mod a try, it's a pretty good change when you have done vanilla tons of times.

>>377259345
Witcher 3. Haters are retarded and wouldnt know a good game if it dickslapped em in the face.

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Is Risen 2 and Risen 3 worth grabbing for 6 bucks? Grabbed Risen already and playing that, want to know if its worth the massive sale discount for the other two.

>>377259345
Mass effect Andromeda

>>377261395
no

>>377261485
RIP, I knew 2 was considered kinda shit on release but I figured it'd still be okay with the whole pirate theme.

Is there anything similar to Witcher 3, but actually good?

>>377261048
>Expecting quality from Bethesda, ever

I wish I could find this one image showing a guy comparing Morrowind to Daggerfall as if it was like today with Oblivion and Skyrim. Apparently Beth has quite the history with dumb down their games and lie about it.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter, Morrowind might be a bit stoic, but it isn't like those *miss* fags like to paint it.

>>377262149
For you?

Obviously a nice load of BBC

>>377259345
pic unrelated

>>377261674

are you really going to base your decision on one faggots two letter reply to you?

>>377262462
Its the only reply I got.

Is there an cRPG that really feels like a tabletop RPG?

>>377261051
>if i have to read the story the story must be shallow

Divinity: Original Sin 2 will be great.
When is it coming out, anyway?

>>377259345
dood arcanum

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>>377259345
morrowind

>>377262567

in a one minute span on a board as fast as /v/?

Don't be a fag. Both risen 2 and 3 are decent though they both have some issues.

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>>377262163
Not sure if this is what tou thinking of but apparently all of Bethesda's games from the very beginning have been shallow pseudo-RPGs.

>>377259483
Time to learn about CHIM and dragon break

Which Wizardry game is the best?

>>377263856
>Dungeon Keeper looks like Warcraft 2
Literally what.

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>>377263856
Post more like this.

>>377260835

i love morrowind to death but i could not be asked to read all those fucking books. stuffing all the lore of the game into flat text is the laziest shit.

>>377266272
Eh, Books have their use if used in a clever manner. Not just to eject infodumps, but to flavor the world itself since the books themselves are in it and of it. So there are books that are just wrong and incorrect, and others that are very biased. And some are just stories that are fun to read but telling of the world at the same time.

My favorite Book/Book set in Morrowind is probably the Poison Song.

I suppose that's not a popular choice, but they were a really good read.

>>377266523

i get that and i think its cool the books are there, but when im playing a videogame i have zero interest in sitting down and reading books, that's why i prefer audiologs instead.

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>>377266609
>My favorite Book/Book set in Morrowind is probably the Poison Song.

I actually masturbated to poison song.
I just like incest too much, I have a problem

>>377260000
as soon as I saw that dagger

>>377261281
>Depth
>a shallow fanfiction of someone else's work

>>377266749
Get the hell out of here.

>>377266918
You know it was hot.

I know morrowind is a meme, but come on, that game sucks.

>>377259345
Ultima VII

>>377262567
Well you should totall base it on some tripfag, they have superior taste because you know it's theirs!

2 is completely unredeemable shit, 3 is just blah buut not complete shit at least.

>>377266736
thats cool. Cause i fucking hate audiologs.

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>>377259345
planescape: torment is amazing.

>>377266272
>stuffing all the lore of the game into flat text is the laziest shit.
That's what makes TES lore so appealing compared to games that just shove everything into a codex/bestiary/item descriptions: the text is almost never flat. Every single book is the words of a character in the game and represents their beliefs and perspective on the world. There are even several genuinely well-written short stories that manage to entertain and educate at the same time, especially the "historical fiction" types like 2920, Dance in Fire, Argonian Account, The Wolf Queen, etc. which while often exaggerated or dramatized are still based in truth.

>>377266749
sauce?

>>377268069
We're playing video games for immersion and gameplay. If the player needs to read "books" to immerse itself or get to know opinions of some npcs, I think the game is poorly designed.

>>377268224
Well thats why no one gives a shit what you think. This whole thread has been people adequately describing why morrowind has good lore and you just keep whining about reading books. Go away.

>>377268224
I disagree. In an actual world there would be such books. The player never needs to read them and can get plenty of depth without them, but they add to it regardless.

>>377268224
Back to Cowadoody, Chad.

>>377268224
So the Souls games are some of the most poorly designed games ever then as it's not even books, just some item descriptions.

>>377268498
It's not just me whining, I saw some other anon whining about it, so obv there are more than 1 anon

>>377268742
Idk, I never liked them or played enough of them

>>377268578
I'd argue that there are games with better interaction with the world/npcs that morrowind (the animations alone are bad in that game), and for that reason alone the morrowind is pretty low on my list.

>>377268224
I agree with you there. I'm just talking about lore and worldbuilding, not the actual story. In Morrowind's case the books are supplemental: you learn the history and beliefs of most every relevant faction and character from dialogue and quests. Take Vivec himself, for example. If you want to go super deep you can read the 36 Sermons and try to decode all the riddles and layers therein, but the Tribunal Temple quests and pilgrimages you actually perform in-game give you plenty of history about his place in the world. The main quest even touches on the dissident priests - subversives of the Tribunal Temple - giving you a hint as to the conflicts surrounding the living gods without having to read The Progress of Truth or the sermons or anything else.

>>377268498
At some point you got lore and story mixed up. The plot of the game is what happens from beginning to end, the lore is just background information. Morrowind has a good plot but amazing lore. When OP asked for a story with depth he probably meant more about the plot and perhaps the impact the player has on it, in which case there are many RPGs with more reactive ones than Morrowind, even if it's the best Bethesda has to offer.

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I picked up this recently but I've found it really underwhelming.
>world building is uninspired and generic
>very few dialog options; can't even refuse many quests
>can't freely talk to companions
>the writing is not amazing
I'm not being immersed,

In comparison, I just finished playing Planescape Torment for the first time and I loved it. I'd hoped BG would be in the same vein, but it's less interesting in every aspect.

I've heard the BGII is superior to the first, but in what ways? Is it more immersive, or does just improve on less important elements, like the combat and UI?
Is it actually worth finishing BG, or do people only still play it so they can understand the context and story of BGII?

>>377266749
I bet you fucked imoen too.

>>377266749
sauce pls

How's Arcanum similar to Fallout, and which one is better?

>>377259345
Dragon's Dogma

Sucks that no one has recommended it. Guess this is what neo-v has come to.

>>377271947
He didn't mention it, but I'm pretty sure OP wanted GOOD games.

>>377271702
Fallout's better.

Arcanum can be quite fun though, especially the first half.

>>377272770
Thanks. But how are they similar?

>>377263012
>if you have to read the story in a lot of different spots it must be deep

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>>377272874
Both have you travel the overworld with an overarching quest, which at times is just an excuse for you to travel to different towns, meet different people and see how different groups are handling different things in the context of the world. Each town has their own quests and as you progress through the game some of the earlier towns will have new quests open up as well. Like Fallout everything gets its own spotlight in the end and sometimes minor choices or actions can have massive long-reaching consequences for the quests. Both talking and fighting are important. You can get through the entire game killing things, but you'll miss out on most of the best parts. Different civilizations have their own views, goals and philosophies to explore and develop. The race you choose can affect their reactions to you as well. Like in Fallout if you have a low Intelligence, you're a retard in dialogue.
You control the main character and have companions as well, although like Fallout you don't directly control your companions. You actually have less control than in Fallout and they're pretty boring in combat, I'd prefer if they were more like BG companions. Some of them do have quests or interesting views and dialogue though.
The game, in my opinion, gets a bit more boring in the second half. I found myself rushing to get to the ending in the end.
Different styles aren't well balanced against each other. Magic is generally much better than tech builds. The best options are Melee, Magic and Throwing. Some tech things are useful but the investment is usually high. Like Fallout some stats like Beauty are mostly worthless.

I had fun with it and I recommend giving it a shot.

>>377273707
>>377272874
Oh and it's by Troika so watch out for Sewers-syndrome:

Just because it has a lot of interesting and well thought out dialogue doesn't mean you can get by through dialogue alone. Invest in combat too.

>>377273707
>>377273782
Thanks, I think I'll finally try it.
I hope there were more RPGs like ones from Interplay and companies that it spawned.

Forget all this bs and just play underrail like everyone else does

>>377260000
>someone actually made a debunking webbum
my sides

>>377274921
I would if it wasn't set in a metro.

>>377263856
if he only he knew crpgs would go extinct

>>377274957
If a shitposting culture is formed, expect to see a counter culture appear.

>>377275218
There are good cRPGs made after 1996.

>>377269618
Having played both, there's 2 things that make BG 2 vastly superior to the former

1.) More interesting quests
2.) Way more freedom

2 has a lot more to do, while also letting you choose what order it's done in. In BG 1 you basically follow a flow chart of going south, then around cloakwood, then straight to the city. The whole time you're doing gay and easy quests like "Clear the mines of kobolds."

2 opens with you in a much more interesting city, and a quest right nearby with some weird circus. It only gets better from there.

>>377259345
better hope you don't get the wall follower glitch 30 hours into the game and lose all progress

Yes I'm mad

>>377275614
2 is a higher level game and thus has more interesting and important quests.

One nice thing about 1 though is that you actually get to explore the world from place to place.

>>377259345
enderal

>>377266609
I've hardly read all of them (though I really do like the Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes), my favorite book in Morrowind is probably Azura and the Box. To me it seems like one of the most important, for really understanding the game's story.

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>>377267213
>You know it was hot.
When he jumped into Red Mountain, yeah

>>377275218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJ1gyIzg78

>>377259345
EXILE 3

>>377259345
That better be a fucking halfling you're playing. You're not a filthy gnome, are you?

>>377271702
Arcanum is better.
Fallout was too confined and narrow in scope for my liking.

>>377272948
Actually that amount of content is what brings some background to the main story you dumb bitch ass nigger.

Pillars of Eternity

>>377275035
That is kind of where the rail part of the name comes from. It's worth a play anyway even if only because it is one of the very few games where being a crazy traps guy is not only good but makes you feel like a god when it all goes according to plan

>>377260835
wow several people have their own opinion on what's going on

suppose that makes eso the deepest tes game to date since that one have the most opinions and expands upon each deadric prince more than morrowind did

>>377262853
Baldurs gate series :^)

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>>377260000

Anybody here played The Quest? I am trying to get into the game but the game isn't making it all that easy for me to enjoy it. Any advice for how to start the game and build my character?

>>377266146
>ss2: you had to remember the code

There was a "Notes" section in the interface though where you can check.

>>377266146
That really triggers me, there are non lethal options in ss2 (tranquilizer dart and rubber bullet shooting riot gun, also a stun gun. There are also french-epstein devises in ss2 which you can upgrade instead of using modify-skill etc

>>377285615
non lethal in ss1*****

>>377259593
>arx fatalis
good man

>depth to the story
You're looking in the wrong medium m8
>inb4 planescape