>literally came out three weeks ago >not even a month

>>377222658
is there a more ungrateful fanbase? dawn of war 3 is easily the best one.

>>377222746
Hey Relic. Any news on CoH3?

>>377222746
Yeah, that's why it's already 50% off after only 3 weeks :^)

>>377222658
What do you expect out of a shitty Bloodborne ripoff?

Source? I tried googling around and only found it for 30 for paki countries and sand land on kinguin

Dawn of War 1 was ok

Dawn of War 2 was a piece of shit (and I played that one first so no "muh base building")

I will certainly not fall for this meme again

>>377222746
That's a low bar.

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>55% of ~4k reviews are negative
they're gonna fix this right?

>>377223081
Can't fix something that is shit from the ground up

>>377222658
Did SEGA or Relic ever say something about this?

>>377222932
>Bloodborne ripoff

its a shit game, but how can you compare them?

>make good rts
>people meme it to death because muh moba
Game has it flaws but it's far better than anything relic released so far.

M O B A
O
B
A

>>377223581
Nope, relic keeps sticking their fingers in their ears and keeps talking about how successful the launch was. Since the player numbers are so fucking low, they've resorted to using those bullshit "LOOK AT HOW MANY IN GAME UNITS HAVE DIED ALREADY" statistics because they needed to show a high number that wasn't horribly embarrassing

>>377222658
Phew, i dodged a bullet there. Was really close to buying it but i gotta say the only thing /v/ got right is >never preorder

Good, now the can go back to updating coh2 and/or making 3.

>>377222658
it's easier for them to release the game for free.
torrent when?

>>377222658
>game has shit load of factions
>release new game with only three
>idiots argue "BUT THE OTHER GAMES DIDNT HAVE THAT MANY AT LAUNCH"
>but that was fucking years ago and given how shit the graphics are, one could at least expect four factions

Fuck this game, it was designed to be an esport like Dota or Starcraft

>>377222658
Why can't I just have DoW with a graphical overhaul, some new units, and balancing? Is that too much to ask?

>>377223809
>muh MOBA
This argument isn't baseless you tard, the devs themselves said Dota was a major influence and tons of pre-release articles confirmed MOBA influence. The thing is it isn't a MOBA, but it takes too MUCH from MOBAs when it shouldn't at all

I didn't like the game after I saw the first screenshot of it. That's not WH40k. Where's all the grimdark? This bright cartoony meme graphical style has no business being anywhere near this IP.

>>377224995
It's fucking insane how they fucked up the one thing you should NEVER fuck up

>>377224304
Yes, goy. Our focus testing shows everyone likes SC2 and mobas.

eh i'll just wait for them to release a last stand standalone in a year if they don't go under before then

>>377224995
>wanting pissfilter the game

>>377225180
What does your focus testing say about having to cut the price of your game in half 3 weeks after release?

>>377222658
First one was great. Second one was all about how it feels to lead a group of space marines.
Third one is about shitting on everything.

>>377225380
Even Nurgle would be disgusted with this piece of shit game

>>377222658
>being so tilted by a game that you HAVE to invent shit about it to make it look about

What's wrong with your brain?

>>377224680
>but it takes too MUCH from MOBAs

I know right, I mean it has bushes and you have to kill a 3 buildings in a specific order I mean god that is too much MOBA influence holy shit this ruins the whole game now fucking shit.

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>>377222658
Fool me once shame on you
Fool me twice shame on me

>>377226084
kys for being so autistic that you post this every fucking thread

>>377226084
>Reposting your bait image

>>377226219
>bait

>>377226073
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ri8rWyo4c

yeah I'm with you fuck that guy, look at all the tactical depth added by bushes

>>377226084
I unironically agree with this image

>>377226219
Hello Relic , you should spend more time and money developing games and less on advertising on anonymous image boards next time.

>>377226686
>Hating Dark Crusade
>Not liking Retribution

It's b8 m8

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dead gaym

>soulstorm fags have shitposted so hard and for so long they've actually started convincing people its good.

I loved DoW2 singleplayer campaign and have never play multiplayer, because I'm a massive scrub, who doesn't like to play in ways that are efficient and just plays in ways that seem cool. Is this game worth getting if you discount all the memes being slung about?

>>377227127
>implyung UA is good

Deathwing is SHIT

what is your ideal 40k game?

>yfw there will never be an IG horror game

Warhammer Battle is bestter

40k is for nazis

>>377222932
Lol

>>377226084
Hes right, HES FUCKING RIGHT.

>>377227331

No, DoW2 is the most difficult when it comes to multiplayer. It's unforgiving and it has a billion and one hidden modifiers that are NEVER explained to the players, like the various weapon and armor types. DoW1 and DoW3 are the most accessable of the bunch, and if you're want to get into multiplayer I'd pick one of these instead.

>>377224680

The accusations and shitflinging is grossly excaggerated. The turrets serve as a early rush defense and from a gameplay feel perspective it's about the same as the previous games. You capture points, have some skirmishes, build your base and research stat upgrades.

It's a really solid game, and it doesn't deserve all the hate it's getting. I fucking swear, when DoW4 is released everyone is going to do a 180 degree turn and praise DoW3, just like every nigger on /v/ does with Elder Scrolls.

>>377226959
>liking shit crusade
>liking dow2

put some effort into your bait

>>377228338
>serves as early rush defense

In other words it's intentionally limiting play styles and strategies and punishing good players

>>377222658
>game has denuvo
>game is dead a few months in
really got my neurons firing

>>377223042
DoW1 was good
DoW2 was great
DoW3 has issues
and I played 1 first so no "muh RTT"

>>377228338
>No, DoW2 is the most difficult when it comes to multiplayer
lolno not even close DoW2 was casual baby garbage, DoW1 multi was far more complex and harder.

Even relic turned around and said they simplified dow2 too much

>>377228864
In your dreams and [citation needed]

They simply can't top the ultimate apocalypse mod and that is unironically the standard they needed to beat. It has vast lore friendly unit choices, detailed base building, a shitton of maps, wide range of upgrades and abilities, and scales from killteams to the grimdark grand clash between swarms of troops vehicles and titans. It very much captures 40k

I don't think a game dev could ever pull off a proper successor to ua but that's simply what they need to do

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>>377228838
>DoW2 was great

>>377224269
DoW1 base had 4 starting fations, ended up at 9
DoW2 had 6
DoW3 having only 3 is a slap in the face and a fucking disgrace
I'm not even going to pirate this piece of garbage

>>377229308
>ultimate shitter mod
Just stop

>>377229308
UA doesn't meet any standard it's a bloated mess of garbage that's fun to play around with for maybe 2 hours.

>>377229308
>ultimate apocalypse
Literal garbage

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>>377229314
>DoW1 was better than 2

>>377228838
What started this recent trend of sucking off DoW2?
For years since its release, it was relentlessly shat on here.

>>377229340
They want to milk you with DLC.
This should be obvious.
>DoW3 having only 3 is a slap in the face and a fucking disgrace
This is what happens when a publisher/developer has no respect for the consumer.

>>377229308
Oh and not to mention

An incredible amount of content for NINE races, not just three, not including ua addons

>>377229565
Since when does /v/ need a reason to hate something?

>>377229524
but it was?

>>377229393
>>377229485
A better mod or game for 40k battles will never come not any time soon

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>>377229678
>>377229314

>>377229524
>DoW1 was better than 2
Correct

>>377229724
It does.

Its called Titanium Wars mod.

DoW3>DoW2(on release)>DoW1(on release)

You can't prove me wrong

>>377222932
>Bloodborne
Excuse me?

>>377229775
I mean, it was not a title of a decade or even a year, had it's fair share of bad design choices, but overall it was great fun for me, maybe because I'm a massive WH40K fag

>>377229949
DoW1(on release) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DoW2(on release) > > > > Aliens: Colonial Marines(on release) > > > DoW3

>>377229949
Mainly because of GFWL and DoW1 being an experiment

>>377227007
fuuuuuck. that's really rough.

I like DoW 3 enough, but it lacks content and the 1 game mode they made doesn't sit well with the fans (3 is my first one so I don't consider myself part of the fanbase like that).

I honestly would not be surprised at all if they later come out with new modes that overhauls the game into more of a straight RTS game. More basebuilding, more defense, no towers, no core, more open maps.
We'll see when the expansions start rolling out sometime next year when the game has 500 players and not 5000 ;__;

only dawn of war worth playing is 1. everyone learned not to buy this shit after the pile of trash that was 2.

>>377230882
obvious troll is obvious, :tenbux: says you will keep replying trying to poorly troll people even after being called out

>>377223042
Fuck you, DoW 1 was great

>>377230882
This

>>377222658
millions of stories they couldve chosen from, MILLIONS


>Space Wolves involvement in the war for Armageddon, how they took the guard that was destined to be sterilized on the planet and sheltered them, nearly causing another civil war between them and the Inquisition/Grey Knights

>Black Templars and their enternal crusade- the last chapter still doing what the Emperor commanded them to do

>The destruction of Cadia and the Rise of Guilliman.


But NOPE. Heres more FUCKING BLOOD RAVENS. I dont give a fuck anymore. Theyve had their time in the spotlight. Show another chapter and their tribulations. You have a thousand to choose from.

>>377228864
>casual baby garbage
>muh basebuilding
>muh free retreat
Base building is autistic and serves very little in a VP focused game where combat and map control takes precedence.

Retreat has more nuance than just "lol i get out of bad battle npnp."
It takes time to get back on the field with decent unit health. You take bonus damage from melee attacks and full damage from explosives. If you are assmad that someone retreats from battle:
a) You are winning fights. Take more map and bash power when they are gone.
b) Learn to hit grenades on retreat paths or position melee units in retreat path to snipe models or kill squads.

Q.E.D. Git gud.

>>377232113

Angelos is the main character of the series. Of course he's gonna be in it.

>>377232157
t. casual

>>377232391
t.shitter

>>377229949
DOW3 is total shit on release what are you talking about

>>377222658
>Dont listen to fanbase
>Try to shill esport bs
>Game flops
>Wonder why

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>>377226706
>>377229860
First off that fucking bush bullshit made me feel pic related. Next ultimate apocalypse is quite okay. However Titanium wars isn't good either. Firestorm over Karuva is so much fucking better.

>>377227235
Oh please we've had real arguments in the past on why soulstorm is actually good competitively but it seems it has to be repeated 50 billion times for it to sink in.

>>377232636
its the same story over and over again

>have SUPER loyal fanbase
>make money, not alot, but enough to ensure a comfy living for your employees, keep you in business, and making more games
>dev: hey i wonder if i can attract that crowd over there that has NEVER played my games, and doesnt give a fuck about the story/genre
>game pisses off super loyal fanbase, attracts a minuscule amount of the desired fanbase
>game dies

Rinse and repeat

>>377232636
The fanbase was split already, but this does not excuse Relic from trying to mix it up even more.

>>377229565

Elite mod is fucking great and honestly the only way to really play. Big 3v3 faction wars actually feel like large battles but still manageable. Simply adding fucking tool tips and accurate stats does wonders. People really liked the coop campaign rpg thing which was fairly useful iwue. Also people fucking love for last stand for some reason.

People aren't keen on DOW 3 dropping the cover system, grinding for doctrines and elite units or the singular game mode. Like holy fuck there is no free for all or annihilation modes, let alone defensive structures. The art style shift is the least of the games problems but does get shit on constantly.

>>377232636
>is the most casual game yet
>REEE ESPORT REEE
Its casuals like you who killed DoW

>>377232934
it's always greed, innit?

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I liked DOW1, I liked DOW2, but these...

Listen, we all know, that DOW2 was a little different than the original and Relice should called it something else (like Dusk/Sunset of War?), but it was a solid game.

DOW3,,, it's not bad because of cartoony visuals, or WC3/DOTA-style gameplay - all these stuff could worked. They fucked up leveldesign and resource balance pretty badly. And don't mention fucking skulls and doctrines.

>>377229340
>ended up at 9
7. Soulstorm was a mistake.

>>377232113
....dawn of war is about the blood ravens. even dow1 space marines were blood ravens.

>>377233662
>the best game in the series which gave us the Ultimate Apocalypse mod was a mistake
you trolls are getting worse every day

>>377233826
Soulstorm is easy the best game in the series but ultimate apocalypse is shit

>>377233826
>Ultimate Apocalypse
>good
You could at least try

>>377233401
ea and activision have greed.
sega has stupidity.

>>377228838
DoW 1 amazing
DoW 2 single player was good, multiplayer was dogshit
DoW 3 is cash grab dogshit
FTFY

>>377234000
>mod that gives every faction titans and a bunch of other new units and mechanics to play with that more than doubles the base game content
>shit
not sure if you are a troll or just that big of a moron

>>377232636
This is their second attempt at making dow a fucking esports game. They didn't figure out that all the fucking expansions for dow2 didnt draw esports money so OBVIOUSLY a third one WILL draw dat money

fucking idiots

>>377234372
Your opinion is shit 40k times.

DoW 1 was good
DoW 2 was good
DoW 3 was good
Truly fixed

>>377234432
>>mod that gives every faction titans and a bunch of other new units and mechanics to play with that more than doubles the base game content
>Mod that gives you a bunch of useless, irrelevant units for the sake of having them
>at the same time slow down game speed and add resistances to everything

UA is shit

>>377234532
but 2 and 3 are not good

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>>377234592
>so terrible at dawn of war he lost to UA AI on easy

>>377234592
>useless, irrelevant units
you mean it added official units from the codexes that should be in the game anyway? exactly like the FoK mod that /v/ creams itself over? well color me surprised!

>>377234742
you wanna talk shit how about you try me son

guarantee i can crush some retard who knows so little of the game he thinks UA is acceptable

>>377234864
>hurrr why doesnt my rts play like table top i am literally fucking retarded

>>377222658
dont forget the extra 20%off cuppon

>>377234432
>Shitty mod that just throws random copy pasted shit together with no quality and removes any strategy or skill from the game
>Not shit
Not sure if you are a troll or just that big of a moron

>>377235118
>dawn of war, the game about attack-moving a deathball at the enemy base
>strategy and skill
Not sure if you are a troll or just that big of a moron

I don't understand the "DoW 2 was bad" meme. Is it just base-building obsessed aspies REEEing?

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>>377222746

>>377235253
>dawn of war, the game about attack-moving a deathball at the enemy base

so you admit you know nothing about the game

>>377234690
You're right, they're actually really good.

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>>377222746

>>377235301
if you want a DOW game with strategy and a very high skill ceiling then get DOW2 and install elite mod.

>>377235301
>dawn of war, the game about attack-moving a deathball at the enemy base
So you have never played DoW1 then

>>377235381
tactics does not equal strategy you fucking mong

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>>377235461
>my argument is crumbling so now it's time to argue semantics

>>377222658
Make a game similar to company of heroes with mod freedom. Unbelievable how they fuck up a formula so bad, fuck them.

DoW 1 is the best if you are looking for an actual RTS with some relic trademark features.

DoW 2 has the best single player experience out of the three.

DoW 3 is a disgrace and should have been a spin-off, so that we can get a proper DoW 3, with MP more akin to 1 and SP building on DoW 2.

Instead, we probably wont get another one. Well played Philippe Boulle, you fucking hack.

>>377235538
I'm a new poster that wants to argue semantics, Dawn of War 2 is not a strategy game, it's a tactics game, there's no resource management, no unit upgrades and no base building, it's all unit placements and rock paper scissors

>>377235381
>if you want a DOW game with strategy and a very high skill ceiling then get DOW1

Fixed that for you

>>377235268
because it was bad.
removal of base building removes harassing, the ability to remove an opponents tech, and turns econ management into a fucking joke. Half of the strategy of an RTS is teching, and DoW simplifies it to the point where it doesn't even make an impact beyond a resource gate. And you get like what, 4 squads at most? A laughable amount of units in a game where you already don't have much to manage. It's a shallow, boring slog that boils down to chasing resource points with your small as army. It's very telling of the games quality when the most played game mode is Last Stand.

>>377235709
THE TRUTH ^^^^

>>377235709
>removal of base building removes harassing

Ah, so you're autistic.

>>377235431
how about you try me and see how much ive played son?
>>377235618
wrong post idiot?

>>377235268
DoW1 treated everygame pretty much like Apocalypse rules, DoW2 was more standard tabletop which is what some people liked but most people wanted just huge fuck everything battles which meant DoW1 with better graphics and they didnt get that. DoW2 is okay for what it is tho specially with mods like >>377235381
said.

>>377235253
>dawn of war, the game about attack-moving a deathball at the enemy base

This is the kind of retard who thinks UA is good

>>377233734
maybe its time to move on then?

im sure they could get the rights to do a game about another chapter

>angelos: oh no! its chaos! again! blood ravens to me again!

>>377222658
DoW 3 is what C&C4 was to the C&C universe.

>>377235837
Well i must be if i expect strategy elements in a strategy game

>>377235837
>I can't handle rts elements in my rts because I'm dumb, so I'll just call people that can handle them autistic

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>>377235381
>DoW2
>strategy
>very high skill ceiling

dow 1 > dow 3 > dow 2

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>>377236165
>he still mad cuz he still bad

>>377235595

>DoW 2 has the best single player experience out of the three

Gee I sure loved hunting down hp and damage buffed X unit every day.

Retribution and Chaos Rising's campaigns were the only acceptable ones.

>>377236223
ok now let's not go that far..

>>377233234
I don't know if you're aware, but all the most popular e-sport games are also the most casual.

Where can I get it for this price?

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>>377222658
Where did you finid DoW3 for 50% off?

DoW3 does have its issues, overall for me its because it feels like some other shiite moba game w/ a Warhammer skin.

Ignore the faggots here, DoW2 was magnificent in its own right, the models, voice acting, replayability(online), customization (importing your own badges) made it ridiculously fun. Sure there were some balancing issues, but many learn to adapt and counter, each hero has a multitude of upgrades to change up playstyles.
DoW3 heros are bland ,you just get what you get, barely any upgrades, and nothing on the caliber of DoW2.

>>377236771

How is it even possible to say that DoW3 feels more MOBA than 2

Jesus christ

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>>377237241
>DOW2
>casualized
lol, and spam reinforcing your DOW1 army and replacing losses in seconds at any point on the battlefield isn't casual? obvious troll is obvious

>>377236865
Thats because DoW3, from what I've seen, doesn't have destructable environment, garrisoning in random buildings (just those retarded bubbles). And the game doesn't feel like Warhammer. In DoW2 you had to capture requisition points, power supplies, and hold Victory points that looked like important tech in the WH40k universe.
In DoW3 you got some weird fucking ball generator thing, then some fucking weird ass giant ball that acts like a tower, and doesn't belong in 40k. Then the center is some retarded powercore, that again doesn't feel like its part of 40k.

>>377237372
>spam reinforce vs whole army takes no damage and gets back to base safely

>>377237241
Is it a good moba?

>>377237570
>doesn't know how to counter retreating troops

What are you a fucking idiot?
Retreating is also a tough call, mass retreat means the other player gets a big foothold and can destroy the shit you built. Ontop of that you can melee or use explosives on retreating units to do great damage to them. Thats why retreating when ork sluggas are on ya is retarded

>>377237624
name one good moba.

>>377237372
I don't see how you could describe DOW2 as anything but casualized. IIRC that was literally what the devs said their intention was.

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>>377237515

DoW2 had better aesthetics but req, power and victory points had very little to do with that.

3 feels much more like a 40k game solely because of scale.

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>>377222658
Multi
SS -> DoW2 post patch 1.4 & CR -> Boredom 3

Campaign
DC -> WinterASS -> CR & DoW2 ->Trash 3

If "DoW 3" was actually fun to play with its "new gameplay", it wouldn't be hated so much and everyone would've forgotten the removal of cover, morale, garrisons, sync-kills, etc.. Cukklick confimed cukks.

>>377237810
yeah because DoW2 just had so many arty units laying around and melee units can catch retreating units sure thing.

>>377237515
how does random shit on the ground feels like "warhammer" but some kind of old relics from other race isn't?

>>377237241
In all honesty, we all know DoW1 aged badly and the only people who still harp on about it being amazing are just nostalgiafags who were happy to see Warhammer in 3D.

DoW2 is vastly superior, you see that they brought back base building in DoW3 for these nostalgia faggots and look how that turned out :)

>>377227007
>I'll beat you back to age of empires!

>>377237372
>and spam reinforcing your DOW1 army
Eco bottom in seconds, you lose.

Oh wait your one of those " OMG NO RUSH 40 MIN" compstompers, aren't you

but how could it fail it had base building because you all know that base building is what made dow1 great and it wasn't other factors

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DoW1: Spam reinforce
DoW2: Retreat and almost never lose anything
DoW3: Need to go back to a reinforcement point or unit manually, unit that allow this can also be destroyed adding some depth, no retreat key you either know when to get the fuck out or pay the price for your greed.

>>377236421
DoW 3 at least pretends to have strategy which is more than you can say about DoW 2.

>>377235648
>implying strategy game are not rock paper scisors either
DoW2 is literally about ressource management since they removed base building taking the ressource point is the only way to harass.

>>377235709
>half the point of an RTS is teching
Its certainly not half. You tech into enough things to call it half the game, you have never actually played competitively.

And yeahDoW2 removes that, but in return you get a far more in depth take on using abilities and unit positioning. DoW2 kills DoW1 on micro management.

Comparatively DoW1 is simple, nowhere near as balanced, has shit pathfinding, relies too much on match-ups instead of skill, and is spectacle over quality.

>>377237926
Ok, now I know you're talking out of your ass. If you ever had a melee unit on you and retreated, the retreating unit takes more damage for melee, thats why people hate banshees and slugga boyz early, if they catch you and you don't kite enough you lose the squad. Every race has some heavy long range explosion damage, Tyranid zoanthropes, SM and CSM plasma cannons + heretic bombs and scout grenades. Ork stikkbombaz, Eldar D-cannons and guardian grenades, IG manticores + catachan demo charges/grenades.

>>377237972
In all honesty, we know DoW2 was dumbed down casual trash in a desperate attempt to rake in the LoL crowed

DoW1 is vastly superior, you see they tried dumbing the game down in DoW2 and look how that turned out :)

>>377238209
>DoW1: Spam reinforce
so you never played an actual match then

>>377238070
>OMG NO RUSH 40 MIN
it takes 30 minutes on normal speed to build an imperator titan, UA games aren't 5 minutes rushfests

>tfw coh 2 was the boring russian front
>not pacific campaign with troops inserted by boat, banzai attacks, kamikaze strikes, traps, flamethrowers and chinese mass slaughter.

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>>377238342
>UA

>>377237943
The old relics would be orkified by orkz, praised and have shit built around it by the machine cult for SMs, Eldar could leave it as is.

Even shit like the generators in DoW2 were themed after the race building it.

>>377238330
League was released AFTER DoW2 you dumb fuck. Making your point invalid and my point even stronger.

DoW2 is vastly superior, in every way.

>>377238494
i'm sorry you are bad at the game and can't handle managing over ten thousand guardsmen on the field at once, practice makes perfect, sport

>>377237882
DC is fucking boring as fuck with shitty skirmish against IA campaign.
Winter assault was fucking short as fuck.
All the dow2 campaign were fucking diablo stile rpg.

The only good campaign are from dow1 and dow3

>>377235648
>DoW2 anywhere near as Rock Paper Scissors as Dawn of Matchs-Ups
Holy shit, the display of lies/mental retardation/hypocrisy from you DoW1 nostalgia fucks is disgusting. DoW1 was ALL Rock Paper Scissors while DoW2 added variety in abilities. A grenade thing that reverses gravity isn't Rock Paper Scissors, it's using clever utility skills to circumvent whatever the enemy has done.

The 'muh single player RTS', 'muh campaign' shitters have to be the worst fan base on /v/.

>>377238280
>dow2 removes strategy
>but it makes up for it because... I have to set up which direction my machine gun faces?

DoW 2 units are no more complex than a DoW 1 unit and you have a lot less of them. Cover is just as important in DoW1. It's hilarious you actually think adding a slight amount of micro makes up for the removal of any strategy.

>Comparatively DoW1 is simple,

nm im being trolled

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>tfw I saw the shitshow that DoW3 was going to become from the beginning

They had over a year to address and fix the complaints. Poor developers deserve ZERO sympathy.

>>377222658
>finna pc gamers

>>377237819
Dota 2

>"it's shit!!"

>not making a better DoW 1
>still pushing DoW 2 mechanics
>drinking from MOBA
They deserve it.

>>377238280
This man speaks the truth. Only nostalgia fags with PCs stuck in 2005 would disagree

>>377238873
dow 2 is just a wc3ified version of company of heroes

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>what if dawn of war was never good
>what is rts games were never good
What were we doing all this time?

>>377238736
The banter between commanders in DC alone is enough to rate it at top. DoW 2 tried something different, since they've already done linear campaigns or RISK maps.

DoW 1 & 3 campaigns are basically trash level, they didn't/won't age at all.

>>377238746
DoW2 units are far more complex thanDoW1. Individual abilities are much bigger game changers. Positioning is fucking great because it discouraged DoW1's simplistic Rock Paper Scissors bullshit. Elder actually have a ton more CC options for their hit n run style. Unit positioning goes beyond "stand in this 'cover' zone for a defense boost". Ideas like setting traps to fuck up your enemy went way beyond muh mines. You have no clue what you're talking about.

>>377238685

>DoW2 being superior to 1 or even 3

lmao

>>377239169
But didn't they remove base building and tech trees?

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>>377239169
>DoW2 units are far more complex thanDoW1

>>377239270
Yes, we have already been over this. DoW1 is like a shit version of a traditional RTS. DoW2 heavily pushes micromanaging and tactics to the forefront instead.

>>377239169
Exactly, theres baiting and guiding ppl into 'ground fire' ofplasma cannons and such. One example is baiting a whole army in w/ a lone ork unit only to TP in as a mekboy, use the mega-rumbler (earthquake thing that AoE stuns everyone even ini retreat mode) and call in a rokk strike to obliterate their army, a 500 red point move. If pulled successfully it can easily turn the tide in a losing match,

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>>377222658
The only thing now that can save the RTS genre is a new Red Alert, bu only if EA put all of his effort into it.

>>377239169
t. casual compstomp shitter

>its a nostalgia babies never grow up and play an old simpler version of a game instead of micromanaging and gettin good episode

>>377239169
>*teleports wraithguard blob with spider exarch behind you*

Heh, nothin personnel kidd.

Yes, this was a thing at some point.

>>377239409
The base building in DoW1 was enjoyable though. I think it struck the a perfect balance between traditional RTS skills and micromanagement and ability usage. Also you seem mad. Have they been mean to you?

>>377239503
>EA
>saving anything
Sure.

>people in this thread hate dow1, but praise dow2 and 3

So you faggots are the ones responsible for dow3 I see

>>377239503
Don't think they'll make another rts ever. It's hard to monetize with microtransactions.

>>377239097
Shitposting

All relic games are mediocre garbage.
They always try something new because they never managed to get good sales with their games and they never will.

>DoW1:
Heavy focus on micro management, map control and early aggression

>DoW2
No micro, just blob and attack move the enemy base, no map control required, no tech trees or build paths, auto retreat for retards

>>377239791
k

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>>377222658

http://steamcommunity.com/games/dawnofwar/announcements/detail/2492025334991286469

>Relic admitting they knew the first 5 minutes dictated who would grind to victory
>I-it's ok because we are trying to fix it now

YOU HAD SINCE IT WAS POINTED OUT IN CLOSED BETA YOU FUCKING KIKES.

>We also have a leaderboard for our dead on arrival game. Everything else is is working as intended, OP units are fine just find a 'counter'
>No new gamemodes needed, no refunds :)

>>377239296
DoW1 Force Commander has 2, I think 3 at max abilities.

DoW2 Force Commander has 7, plus like 4-5 more if you count globals.

DoW2 FC's abilities are far more important and bigger game changers.

This is just one example.

>>377239569
>micromanagement is inherently an improvement
I don't know what kind of brainwash people have been through these years to think like this.

>>377239760
Mediocre garbage? Probably.
Still was a breath of fresh air in the RTS genre and fun to play casually. Unlike DoW3.

>>377237570
>press retreat in MP
>your army explodes
>your generators are RIP
>you have nothing

gg no re

>>377239663
Nah, it's nothing special, nor is it very consistent with the Warhammer universe.

>>377239716
Take off your nostalgia goggles
Dow1 was something new and fresh in that time but it also was garbage.
Shitty balance and pathfinding ruined it.

All I wanted was gameplay more like DoW1 with DoW2 graphics and campaign.

Why did they have to fuck it all up. I was really hoping the game would be good, but the second I saw the gameplay footage, I knew it was going to be a stinker.

>>377239716
No, you were. Notice how they brought back base building.

>>377240164

What is that even supposed to mean

None of the games are consistent with the lore to begin with

>>377238338
I think he was ironic and you just played yourself

>>377234372
Objectively correct answer, with the inclusion that the Last Stand is pretty fun in DoW

>>377239760
>all Relic game are mediocre garbage

Wut? they're all good in their own way mechanically speaking, it's just that the pacing can be a bit slow in early games.

well as somone who actually has the game. it plays like they took dow2's last stand mode heros and threw them into dow1. the result is dps heros instagibbing anyone stupid enough to blob.
anyway here is a list

positives
1
orks for example probably got the most orky feeling, thematically and in gameplay terms.

2.campaigns like winter assaults, aka really good if you were a fan

3.gameplay can sometimes be really damn tight, it's just it loses it in the moment and goes back to being weird.

NEGATIVES:
space marines(aka why the game has 50% negative reviews) tacticals are shit and undertuned.

low cost Nuker/dps heros instagib 3-4 units with slight timing.

defend the turret mode(this is exemplified by poor map design, only 2 dow feeling maps that manage to work and offer variety despite having turrets)

Kill time seems a little low for evrerything.

grind to unlock your factions full elite roster/doctrines(though admittedly you can get 1.5 factions worth of shit just from completing campaign)

Unit balance is wack as fuck with some units being the obvious 'meta'

Elite balance is wack as fuck with some units being the obvious 'meta'

It has the warhammer 40k community, so the most shit eating crybaby autism throwing grognards.

shitty menu UI

One game mode on release

low map pool(though more than dow 2 on release)

unit pathing sometimes seems weird and blobby.

"tactical escalation" is a terrible mechanic, it's basically every 10 minutes your resource nodes give %%% more forever, meaning it's basically impossible to come back from losing.

Once again it's dawn of eldarr.

ANYWAY the saddest part is relics innability to admit they've fucked up. Though they are hyping a big balance patch on the 21st.

I just keep remembering dow2 was a shitshow on release as well and I hated it, though it grew on me like a fungus. Hopefully the game gets patched and it's many many issues get ironed out or rts is dead for good. and the dow series along with it.

>>377239959
>DoW2 Force Commander has 7
No

>>377240062
>Still was a breath of fresh air in the RTS genre and fun to play casually.
To be honestly dow3 is exactly that.
Maybe you hate it just because you are another fag who can't enjoy video games anymore.

Literally all they had to do was remake DOW1 with shiny new graphics, what a bunch of idiots.

>>377240295
>>377240295
Last stand is amazing. Relic should have made a stand alone Last Stand game. That would be an awesome game AND I bet a good esports game.

But no relic is allergic to fun

The game is dead, but you fags will be making these dumb threads all summer.

>>377239983
A game that requires the player to actually interact directly with the game more is objectively a superior VIDEO GAME (aka the INTERACTIVE medium not sit on your ass clicking on nothing medium.)

>>377240571
The two main ones, along with additional abilities you get based on what gear you put on.

>>377240674
>Last Stand
>good esports game
>vs AI

>>377241149
It's not any worse an idea than what relic has been trying to do with their last five games

>>377240757
A game where i have to press 3 buttons to take a step forward is objectively better than another where i just double click at destination? Okay.

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>all of these mad DoW1 fags hating on DoW2
LMAO, you shitters got your RTS sequel, now eat it. I'm glad DoW3 was not made in the likeness of RTT DoW2, so that my fond memories of playing it will never be soured.

They need to go back and build a traditional RTS with 40K license.

They tried hard to do the whole point-capping gameplay, and then dumb it down to the small squad focus for DOW2, and then try a middle-ground for DOW3.

It was shit and no improvement over any standard RTS.

Also DOW3 is so chockful of fucking stuns that the game is literally a MOBA-skillshot game then army maneuvering.

>>377239503
They tried and made RA3.
It was shit.

>>377240382

>"tactical escalation" is a terrible mechanic, it's basically every 10 minutes your resource nodes give %%% more forever, meaning it's basically impossible to come back from losing.

I think you don't understand how it works.
In phase 1 you get refund for losing units (you aren't penalized for losing entire squad)
With each phase escalation you get less refund and more resource generation.

In my opinion it isn't bad but pointless since if you lost two squads at the start then you lost the game anyway.

>>377241553
>now eat it
I didnt buy it faggot

Clearly you bought it for me so enjoy my dogshit

>>377241606
>a traditional RTS with 40K license.
DoW3 IS a traditional RTS, you fucking mongoloid. People screaming "it's a MOBA" are fucking retarded and I'm a pure DoW2 fag who hates DoW3 with a passion. The game is shit for other reasons while being a traditional RTS, being a MOBA is not one of them.

>>377239716
Nope, people wanted a lot of corpses and basebuilding like in DoW1 so they made DoW3.
Those people are also the one crying about rushing (because how are you going to make your bigass army if you get rushed?) so they added turret to protect you from being rushed.

>>377241317
Nope. A game where you are actively interacting more with the game environment is objectively better than one where you aren't doing that. DoW1's benefit over DoW2 in counting that comes from teching and basebuilding, but DoW2's benefit comes from individual unit actions. DoW2's is much longer term interaction than one time additional interactions inDoW1.

>>377240613
>increased pace of the game, higher apm req, higher lethality and fuckton of skillshots
>removed gory animations and ways to influence a battle
>casual fun in dow 3

T r a s h k i d l e a v e

>>377222848
where? i have isthereanydeal set to notify me and it doesn't see it 50% off anywhere

>>377241606
>Can't manoeuvre your army out of stuns
>Call it a moba
Someone need to git gud.

>>377241935
I see, by casual you mean being shit at the game and still have fun... sorry.

>>377241907
So there's situations where it's betters while others where it's retarded? Oh man, it's like the world isn't just black and white. The more you learn huh.

>>377222658
i don't believe you because i can't find it. go ahead and prove it's 50%, i don't see it anywhere.

>>377242138
You can't into doing math? DoW2's additional actions based benefit far overpowers DoW1's, making it superior.

>>377222658
happens to almost any triple A game
got deus ex mankind divided for 32€ on release day

and ME:A for 40€

DOW1 was just balls crazy massive armies and fun bullshit like that harlequin fucking up entire squadrons and sync kills.

DOW2 was a bastardized trimmed down version of everything that took the fun out of the game.

DOW3 tried to be a middle-ground but got the worst of both worlds, shitty DOW2 style corridor maps that fucking don't work for army-size RTS.

>>377239983
You're better off playing Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator then.

>>377239791
The weakest nuke in DoW2 is stronger than the strongest nuke in DoW1.
Blobing is a big nono unless you're Ork.
Also no one play annihilation mode.

>>377242137
You win some, you lose some, still end up having fun. Meanwhile DoW 3 is sucking its own dick, trying too hard to be an esport without an audience.

>>377242256
It's a math problem now? I guess we should let computers algorithmically review videogames and save us the trouble of arguing over this.

>>377242379
>DoW2
>Corridor maps
Did you only play the first two levels of single player or just that space hulk map?

>>377242510
Of course we can! Objectively means quantification which means math of some sort!

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>Not playing Sanctus Reach

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I had so high hopes.

I love the universe.

I'm so, so disappointed. What should I do to ease my suffering?

>>377240382
>orks for example probably got the most orky feeling, thematically and in gameplay terms
I don't think anyone is actually arguing that. Ork are perfect in this game.

>space marines(aka why the game has 50% negative reviews) tacticals are shit and undertuned.
Tactical were super meh in DoW2 but it was okay since most people only play the campaign and Tarkus was awesome in it.
But I agree, tactical are the mainstay of the SM and DoW1 perfectly nailed it.

You also forgot
>no last stand
They did say it will be added though.

>>377242753
Watch the primaris marines trailer and ask "what were they thinking?".

Even as a SM player, the need to spam ASM and drop-pod stun is actually a pretty shit way to design a faction.

Chain-stunning should never be part of any RTS, especially as a core mechanic of a race.

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>>377240382
>so they didnt fix anything since the beta

didnt help that they pushed the towards Esports so desperately.
Really shows in the maps.

still gonna wait for a sale and hope that the game isnt dead until then

>>377242419
And this is how you spot someone who has never played DoW1

>>377242690
Just do it. That AI reviewer won't code itself.

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>post yfw you didn't fall for the DoW3, Battleborn, No Man's Sky, Spore, or Brink scams

>>377243129
>Spore
>scam

>>377242963
>carefully placing crowd control combos is shit design
Hell no. Stuff like this is what keeps RTS alive. I have no clue why you would wanna go back to boring ass "every just stands there generically trading blows". It's fucking ridiculous that people are backing up more braindead style of gameplay here.

>>377243063
And you literally can't say why you think so.

>>377242753
>What should I do to ease my suffering?
Watch the trailers again and again while eating ice cream and finally crying yourself to sleep. Purge it from your system.

>>377243173
spore was the original scam

>>377243063
I love how everyone that makes this claim about DoW1 itt just says it without backing it up while us DoW2ers say it as well while giving actual examples of mechanics.

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>>377243129

>>377243381
And yet the Dow2 fag (you) gave zero actual examples

>>377243278
Don't you ever edit a picture of my wife again.

>>377239959
DoW1 Farseer has 7 abilities.
The basic eldar unit can get up to 5 abilities

DOW1 was fun as fuck.

DOW2 was objectively shit

DOW3 is still shit.

What people want is mass army fights, not shitty squad fights.

>>377243581
Following the chain of reply you'll find those:
>>377242419
>The weakest nuke in DoW2 is stronger than the strongest nuke in DoW1.
>Blobing is a big nono unless you're Ork.
>Also no one play annihilation mode

>>377239791
>DoW1:
>Heavy focus on micro management, map control and early aggression
>
>DoW2
>No micro, just blob and attack move the enemy base, no map control required, no tech trees or build paths, auto retreat for retards


I'll let you confirm/nfirm those.

>>377243968
So what you are saying in DoW1 players give examples while DoW2 players literally give zero examples and just spout shit

>>377243581
Along with those there's the Force Commander comparisons, Eldar reversing gravity/slowing down time and shit, DoW1's flaws related to balance or pathfinding, etc. All ITT

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>There will never be a 40k stradegy game as deep as graviteam tactics

>>377226084
what's so good about soulstorm?

>>377244448
It's still by far the most balanced take on DoW1 (although that is really not saying much.)

>>377244303
So you have literally never played DoW1 then?

>>377244448
Ultimate Apocalypse, brother

>>377235932
No. Blood Ravens is relic's baby chapter, plus they'd have to pay GW for other chapters.

sell the game to me anons. What's in it? I want to play it, i fucking replayed the whole series when they released the first trailer. Don't give the "its shit don't play it". Just give it to me and i'll shove it up my ass.

>>377244448
Best balance out of all the DoW games
9 unique races
Most depth out of all the DoW games

>>377244692
Ignore this false flagging retard ultimate apocalypse is shit

>>377244624
>resorting to annoying repeat trolling instead of posting real points

>>377244960
Make it less obvious you have never played the game next time and someone might actually fall for it.

>>377244896
>ultimate apocalypse is shit
name a better mod, faggot

>>377244197
I'm not sure I'm following your train of thought, so let's review those post together:

The original post was this one: >>377239791
He made a bunch of statement about both game, okay.
It was followed by this post
>>377242419
>The weakest nuke in DoW2 is stronger than the strongest nuke in DoW1.
>Blobing is a big nono unless you're Ork.
>Also no one play annihilation mode

Those are supposed to be a retort to
>>377239791
>No micro, just blob and attack move the enemy base
Because blobing is a bad idea in any RTS with strong nuke and the most played mode in DoW2 is the "capture the victory points" mode.
All of those are about DoW2 and have yet to be disproven, it only received a post that casually dismissed everything with a "u never played the gaem lol"

>>377222746
The combat looks boring as fuck and is a major step down from DoW2: Elite Mod.
Why even bother?

>>377244448
Active multiplayer + mod support. Singleplayer is dogshit though.

>>377245208
Bugfixes mod.

>>377245208
UA is unbalanced as fuck and the dev is an utter autist. Though if you play it for fun, you'd have a fuckton of it.

>>377245265
See >>377244197

>complain that games are stale and just do the same thing over and over
>franchise tries something new in every numbered iteration of its franchise
>get mad at that too

Ayyyy

Non faggot opinion coming through

Dow2>Dow1>Dow3

I still enjoy some of the things dow3 has going for it but it still feels like a failed experiment all around. I still givw props to Relic for not just regurgitating the same shit over and over. Here's to dow4 not being a dow1 clone just because you faggots can't handle change.

>>377245451
>"Pick a better mod"
>picks the most boring mod in existence

>>377229565
>vocal minority shits on good thing
First week on /v/?

>>377245208
Camera mod

>>377245618
What the fuck else would you play a mod for? Smash bros competitive play????

>>377240295
I never really got that whole Last Stand autism.
What's the point when you can play Elite Mod instead?

>>377245658
Actual non faggot opinion coming through
Dow1>>>>>>Dow2>Dow3

>>377245795
Fixes and balance. Hence why firestorm over Kaurava is still best.

>>377222658

I was having to see this game get destroyed critically. Even fucking FACEBOOK comments on their official page were extremely mixed

Neo-Relic needs to die so someone else can make a 40k RTS.

>>377245659
It's literally the best mod if you want to play online, though the vanilla game is also fine.
Only solo casual player play UA more than 2-3h.

>>377245861
Why play either when i can just play Soulstorm instead?

>>377245659
he didnt pick UA though

>>377245935
*glad to see

>>377245143
http://dow.wikia.com/wiki/Soulstorm/Force_Commander
http://dow.wikia.com/wiki/Retribution/Force_Commander/Abilities

Google DoW1 pathfinding to see just how much people complained about it and maybe videos of crumpled together squads that almost can't move.

Not even DoW1 fans believe that it ever had good balance. Cue Necrons bitching in DC, IG lasguns inWA, Eldar in SS, etc.

Also, a game that actively delivers straightforward hard counters like DoW 1 does is by nature a glorified rock paper scissors and not a good strategy game.

There, everything spoonfed to your lazy ass on a platter. Better be grateful I responded to your troll so nicely.

>>377245656
I guess I was retarded for thinking you actually wanted a serious discussion.

>>377246079
dow1 pathfinding is literally only an issue with the squiggoth

>>377245658

Nobody complained about DoW 1 being stale.

Kill yourself, namefag.

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>>377229524
>that image

My sides

>>377245887
I cant hear you over all the dicks in your mouth bro

>>377235648
>no resource management, no unit upgrades
wat

>>377246079
Its widley agreed DoW1:Soulstorm has the best balance out of all the DoW games.

DoW2 balance was so shitty the game is literally unplayed without a mod.

Who the FUCK are you trying to kid?

>>377244448

Dark Eldar are extremely unique and a joy to play.

Sisters are thematically interesting and have a decent gimmick.

By far more balanced than DC.

Soulstorm is the best game in the franchise; flying units were just pointless.

>>377246441
>flying units were just pointless.
They have their uses. Helltalons and Landspeeder tempests in particular are amazing for base harassment since they can just fly in and take out a couple buildings.

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>>377230169
>Aliens: Colonial Marines

STILL MAD fuck Randy

>>377246227
Nope, the real issue has always come from decent numbers in multiple squads being together. Nobody used Squiggoth seriously anyway.

>>377246343
And SS still has the damn Eldar that are very clearly better than everyone else. DoW2 faulted in two short periods of time: vanilla launch Marines and Retribution launch IG artillery. Those got fixed real fast unlike DoW1's problems. Not to mention the best of SS is still better than the worst of DOW2 because of goddamn flying units that DoW1 was obviously never balanced around nor really designed around.

>>377246568

On larger naps, flying units were marginally useful for harass.

As a brand new mechanic, the wasted potential was disappointing.

That's literally the only criticism of SS I can think of; I even prefer its single player over DC.

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>>377222658

>people are sick of MOBAs
>make a garbage MOBA

what do you expect?

>>377246819
>MOBAs are most played video games today
>ppl are sick.

>>377246014
Aged liked milk.

>>377246079
>DoW1 FC 4 abilities
>DoW2 FC 2 abilities
>DoW1 Archon 9 abilities
>DoW1 NL 11 abilities

Really makes you think

>>377246227
Nope, if you start blobing it will show.
Sometime, units would also get stuck in the environment.

>>377246343
>Its widley agreed DoW1:Soulstorm has the best balance out of all the DoW games.
Doesn't change the fact that the previous games were unbalanced as fuck.

>DoW2 balance was so shitty the game is literally unplayed without a mod.
Yes but
>having to bring DoW2 in a discussion about DoW1
Also you literally went over the pathfinding issues.

>>377246723
Nope, flying units were niche but not unbalanced.

>>377246723
>And SS still has the damn Eldar that are very clearly better than everyone else.

And yet they're still less OP than they were in any other expansion or even vanilla - and FAR less OP than vanilla DC Necrons.

They should have just added a cooldown to FoF, or slightly nerfed Dark Reapers.

Eldar main here.

>>377246723
>And SS still has the damn Eldar that are very clearly better than everyone else
Except they arent, they have good and bad matchups like every other race in the game

>>377226084
FUCK YOU DOW2 IS GREAT YOU FUCKING SHITTER 40K WANNABE

>>377246993
You can equip wargear to commander in DoW2 and most of those will add abilities.
But you wouldn't know since you didn't played the game.

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>>377247019
>implying you can fleet of foot away from the pride of the Mechanicum

>>377222658
>another "we want the esports audience" victim
They brought it upon themselves, serves them well.

>>377247013
>blobing
>DoW1
Point and laugh, point and laugh at the shitter

>>377247019
>Eldar main
Go to hell and eat my Earthshakers.

>ASSFAGGOTS are already completed saturated with all the playerbase being split between Dota2 and LoL (and some pathetic tertiary number on Blizzard's shitty dota2 ripoff, should've hired Icefrog when you had the chance huh?)
>dumb an RTS with the autistic GW fanbase down in the hopes maybe some mobafags will buy it (despite the main factor of their popularity being THEY'RE FREE2PLAY)

>>377247110

On a medium or large map, a high APM Eldar call be an absolute terror with proper FoF control.

Still, Eldar are by far the most tame in SS.

>>377247208
Maps are never big enough for this shit to be good.

>>377247227
are you seriously implying that you meticulously micromanage over ten thousand units during a pitched battle? not even gooks do that.

i liked all dow games. i like dow 3

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>it's not dying!

>>377247227
And yet it's the reason why DoW3 is what it is.

>>377247346
That's only because they have the DE, Tau and Necrons to contend with.

>>377247240

I don't contest being a massive Eldar-loving faggot since vanilla DoW 1.

>Unlimited Fire Prisms

>>377246929

You imbecilic fucking simpleton

Listen to me, LISTEN TO ME

You suck. You fucking suck, bitch. It's clearly as day the market is already cornered and there's no more room.

REEEEEEETAAAAAAAAAAAAARRD

>>377222658
Well its not a shit game. It looks ok but is not what alot of DoW players wanted.
Im going to grab it when it gets to 20€

>>377247369
The game organizes units into squads for the exact reason to make it easier to micro.

>>377247452
a moba?

>>377247616
This. I think Relic should had more time to fix some fuck ups and add more multiplayer modes before releasing the game...not that it would stopped the "IZ A MOBA GUYZ" gits from shitposting.

>>377246993
DoW1 FC has 3 abilities. So does every other commander unit in that game after full upgrades. Most DoW heroes have a pool of 7-10 to choose from and max out having 5 or so at once with all of them being far more unique and game changing

>>377247462
Necrons are the weakest race in the game