How does it feel that Devil may cry 3, game from 2005 will always

Good because I don't play overrated FOTM

>>377203773
sure, but nier manages to have a much better story, music, and ten times better characters

Apples and oranges, retard.

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>underageb& think Nier:Automata is a Platinum Game first and a Taro Game second

>>377203850
Nier, maybe

Automata, nope

>>377203773
it feels ok 2bh

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Itsuno is just better talent than anyone on Platinum's payroll, or he was just really fucking lucky with the combat design for DMC3 and DMC4. We still haven't gotten anything nearly as polished as DMC3 and I doubt we ever will again considering the climate of games. Hell even with DMC4, we got a game that is mechanically more deep with Dante's style switching, yet still lacked the finesse that DMC3 has. I love Nier Automata a lot, and I think it shines a whole lot brighter when it comes to story because Yoko Taro is a lovable wackjob, but it's not gonna out do the best action game of all time.

>>377203954
>We still haven't gotten anything nearly as polished as DMC3

No idea what you're on but the enemies were fucking shit.

The last real-deal action game was Ninja Gaiden 2

>>377203850
>better story
>ten times better characters
Lmao no one in this game is a good character.

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>>377203903
>Failing the main part of the game
T-taro makes g-great games!
typical weebs.

>This game will never have combat as good as one of the best action games ever made
Wow, that's a really damning criticism anon

>>377204193
>the main part of the game

Combat isn't always the main part of a game anon.

>>377203909
Sup hipster

>>377204250
Taro's games are all literally running foward while slashings things up to get to the next cutscene

In nier you just get sidequests between all that.

It's a pretty big part of the game.

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>>377204250
Why call it a game if gameplay isn't the main part?
Retard.

>>377204250
No controls and gameplay are. I prefer games with Tight Controls and Shit story like MGSV than a game with shit controls and an okay anime story like Automata

>>377204193
You are just shit at the game (arguably me too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0203jbYU0TI

>>377204313
>gameplay isn't the main part

Because combat isn't the only thing that happens in a game, retard.

>>377204291
Its not really a hipster thing when Nier was better than Drakengard 3 too.

The truth is Taro sucks at sequels, or if not that he's just losing his touch.

>>377204345
I loved when Devil May Cry 3 allowed you to spam the infinite dodge button allowing you to auto combo if an enemy attacks you anytime you're spamming it.

>>377203989
If you're looking for enemies that are a challenge, then you'd probably fancy a Ninja Gaiden game over Devil May Cry. Where DMC shines really comes in the arbitrary notion of "Stylish" and at the highest levels of gameplay everything becomes more or less a punching bag at the same time though, that's why it was able to develop such a strong fanbase and get shit like True Style tournaments put together.

>>377204345
I'm surprised at how capable 9S actually is, seeing other combo videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeBNjaXQmLk

It was funny having the Operator say he's a liability in combat when he's the most dangerous fucker apart from A2.

>>377204375
>The game about Combat Androids going into the world to fight robots
>Combat isn't the most important part of the game
????

>>377204375
>Watching a cutscene is now considered gameplay
Full force damage control right here.

>>377204313
why call it music when no one sings and the only thing making noise is some blacky literally talking all bored about how kewl he is and how many mothers he fucks. Entertainment comes in all forms and dont have clear defined lines you think planescape torment is a game and not a book? you are right its the best book you ever play. same thing with anything else stuff like walking dead, journey, what remains of edit finch all these kinda games are still games.

>>377204385
Its hipster when the majority likes automata more than nier.

>The truth is Taro sucks at sequels, or if not that he's just losing his touch.

thats like your opinion, glad the majority doesnt think that way. Last thing i want is to go back to nier with the boring ass side quests and slow shitty combat.

Can't wait till DMC5 comes out so everyone's happy.

It's gonna be Dragons Dogma Online, nerds.

>>377204469
>bullying female 9S
To what end

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>>377204542
>why call it music when no one sings
Lol how fucking retarded do you have to be.

>>377203773
How does it feel knowing you can suck my dick, faglord?

>>377204590
The majority knows nothing about games so don't even speak to me about that.

>Last thing i want is to go back to nier with the boring ass side quests and slow shitty combat.
You would have a point if Automata's combat wasn't also basic as hell, the sidequest structure actually was an improvement though.

Everywhere else? Nier 1 wins out by fucking miles, the music is about equal though.

>>377204590
Literally the only sidequest I remember from NieR was the Lighthouse lady. There was that dog and old man quest too, but it was whatever.

Also NieR Ending A>>>>B

Did anyone else buy this game because of that hyperbolic bullshit review by that Australian turbo-autist? "The Best Game You Probably Won't Play" or some shit.

I've literally never been so disappointed by a game before.

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>>377204670

Combat was basic but smooth compared to the old game.. You cant be seriously wanting to go back to that choppy slasher

>>377204702
Thats why you never listen to those faggots, all you need is five minutes of gameplay footage to make your decision.

t. bought the game at launch

>>377204702
>Did anyone else buy this game because of that hyperbolic bullshit review by that Australian turbo-autist?
No because I'm not fucking retarded and underageb& that needs to listen to retarded reviews of people on the internet.

>>377204815
Speaking of retarded reviews, what is up with the rise of certain "review" channels that try too hard? And then the fanbase calls them by their first name as if they're fucking besties.

>>377204770
The implication is that the combat is rather mediocre in both games. Both are poorly balanced, cheesy, but play well enough that you dont get immediately bored.

Nier 1 had better boss fights, Automata just refined base mechanics with some decent new additions.

I'd rather the games not pretend to be RPGs and ditch the stats/leveling and focus on making the enemies actually interesting to fight. But storyfags need to get to their next pseudlife cutscene (in Automata's case anyway, Nier 1 actually had a decent story)

I'm still mad the pc port is fucking trash. Can't even pass the tutorial because it always crashes. Amazing.

>>377204889
Specs?

>>377204889
If you are an AMDfags there should be a fix. Has something to do with gfx drivers.

>>377203773
dmc3 has better combat than a shit ton of games that have been made in the last decade. I think it's less a testament of failure of newer games and more of a testament of how good dmc3 was.

>>377205004
>>377205014

4690k at 4.7ghz
Gtx 780. I have a second 780 sitting on a shelf but I doubt the game has sli.
8gbs of RAM

I heard 780s had the issues as well as amd cards but I gave up after trying to play through the tutorial for the 5th time. I always get up to around meeting the other robot and then it just freezes. I can still here the sounds and shit but the screen stays frozen. After a while it will turn white.

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>tfw you didn't buy it

>>377204662
it was a example that a title like book, or music or game doesn't mean much when under it there can be literally anything cause games music book are more complex than a one word title.
Not surprised you didn't get that you illiterate failure.

>>377205089
Can attacking a worthless sack really count as combat anon?

>>377204617

Are you retarded? Re-read Itsuno's tweet.

>>377205179
>GTX 780
Doesn't seem to have any real fix right now so your only chance is waiting for an official patch. I'd refund the game and sit out if they actually bother fixing the shitty port, cant even recommend you to pirate it because it will probably give you even more trouble since the crack is a shit.

>>377205341
The crack is fine, the crashes still happen.

Piratefag with GTX 780 here. Housemate with GTX1070 is playing it fine.

>>377204071
Transformers Devastation came out a couple years ago.

>>377205227
>You can't call a game with good story shit because it has bad gameplay. Thats like calling music with out singing not music
Really fires up those Neurons

>>377204617
Itsuno didn't work on DDO

>>377205341
It's a shame we can't have good pc ports in this day in age. This is why I dont bother buying games on release week anymore.

>>377205519
Just get a console and never have to worry about it.

>>377204590
Automata's side quests are literally the same goddamn shit. It's all fetchquests. Besides the game dev ones, I don't think there's a single quest with a unique mechanical premise. It's just collecting shit for assholes again.

>>377205460
The problem here is that you're so fucking stupid you think that gameplay = combat.

Forget about puzzles/exploration/dialogue options, it's merely combat. It'd be a wonder that you managed to survive this long, but it seems all the retard sympathisers make it easy for retards like you to thrive.

>>377205215
tfw didn't buy it because Platinum didn't learn how to improve on making games and each new one runs worse and looks even worse

>>377205423
It's sad that our 780s are on their way out the door. I gave my shit liquid cooled too.
Gonna upgrade during the next gen of gpus. I wanna game comfortably at 1440p or 4k.

>>377204345
a couple juggles and a cancel doesnt mean it has good combat.
Furthermore, considering the 3d bullets, shit like that is just a 1v1 showcase.
in dmc4 style is viable and recommended

>>377205596
You forget that all you do in Nier is "COMBAT". So when the combat is shit the game is shit. No matter how tsundere or whacky your barely dressed women are. Its still a shit game.

>>377205460
You missed the point of this thread completely.
It isnt about a game being shit this discussion is about what makes a game and at what point/how much do you need to remove for it to not be a game anymore.. it is decidedly about what is a game and if you think a game has not other gameplay than walking this makes it not a game ... well you are wrong its still a game. Same with everything else.Fire up those neurons some more you will get it eventually.

>>377203773
So I'm assuming that Nier Automata has reached the appropriate popularity level where it's now and irredeemable piece of shit according to /v/ bylaws

>>377205578
Only console I want is the ps4 pro but more so for the console exclusives and Sony exclusives.
Thing is, I have a feeling Sony will announce something new within the next year.

>>377205662
>No matter how tsundere or whacky your barely dressed women are
So you didn't play the game. 0/10.

>>377203773
Every time you post this, the more shit DMC5 will be

>>377203773
>comparing apples to oranges

>>377205629
Feels like just yesterday when I bought it too. But when I think about it it's been several years AND I've moved house in the meantime.

Next major purchase will be VR rather than graphics card. Unless they have VR in 4k, I doubt I'll need to upgrade the GPU any time soon.

>>377204702
>Did anyone else buy this game because of that hyperbolic bullshit review by that Australian turbo-autist
this one?
http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2017/03/review-nier-automata-greatest-game-ever.html

>Put simply, NieR: Automata is the greatest game ever made. It’s not just that it is the deepest and most narratively potent game ever developed - and it is a truly deep narrative experience - but more than that, Yoko Taro has finally found perhaps the developer on the planet capable of doing his visionary work justice. This game is a true, genuine work of art, and anyone who wants to prove that gaming does possess an equivalent to the greatest novels, operas, theatre plays, or paintings, now has that very game to point to. Yoko Taro is gaming’s Shakespeare, Da Vinci, and Welles, all rolled into one.

>>377205736
Nope played it up to where you get off the space station into the city and quit because I was so fucking bored and the game looked fucking terrible.

>>377203773
To be fair, I don't know a game that has better combat system than DMC3.

>>377203773
It feels like if i want to play dmc3 i'll go do that.

>>377205736
Of course he didn't he thinks it has shit combat.

>>377205646
>that is just a 1v1 showcase.
You mean like literally every other DMC combo video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jb_3o8EKqE

>>377205779
fucking disgusting

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>>377205701
...

>mfw i just enjoy video games and don't really care what "hardcore" gamers such as yourselves think about anything
>i have no face

Why do you faggots think your opinions are relevant to anyone?

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>>377205779
what the fuck am I reading
>Yoko Taro is gaming’s Shakespeare, Da Vinci, and Welles, all rolled into one

>>377205837
not only in dmc4 you can make a video that long with a full combo without resets and cuts, but most vergil videos are against several enemies.

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>This game has great combat
>Spam infinite dash dodge button until a bright light tells you to start spamming the light and heavy attacks for auto combos

>>377203773
Maybe because DMC 3 has the best combat in any game period?
Nier is still a great game with good combat

>>377205774
Careful with the VR. Apparently our cards aren't VR ready (I think).
The VR wasn't as great as I had imagined it would be. Used the vive for about a month before boxing it up and storing it away. The room sensors are still up but no one wants to play it anymore in my household.
There's probably better VR titles now though.

i loved nier automata and bought it multiple times for other people to play

>>377205807
No one cares about your adhd. Just get a spinner and fuck off.

>>377204345
I will never understand this shit. What's the point in having all these combo videos when these combos ONLY work on weak enemy types that are barely a threat?
And in what situation will I find myself fighting against one lone medium non-special biped past the first few hours of the game?

>>377206069
>You didn't play a game
>Nope I did
>What ever you're autistic

Its the same thing with every shit game that some /v/ retard defends for what ever god damn reason.

>>377206113
Its the great delusion of "muh curazy" fags

Its all style and no substance, if the game dosent force you to play on that level then it dosent fucking matter. Ninja Gaiden had it figured out ages ago.

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>>377203773
>hit boss
>hp is low
>pause game and heal
>repeat for 20minutes
>boss finally dies
>do lock pick minigame
>turn in quest and listen to boring story for a little while
>go hit another slightly different robot for another 20 minutes
>gameplay is skyrim with better animations

> b-but my ending e!!! y-you just cant appreciate Japanese greatness you baka gaijin!

2 nukes wasn't enough

>>377206164
You played the first mission. Your opinion still isn't worth shit you sperg.

>>377206185
>Ninja Gaiden
Yeah it really does when you can just spam flying swallow like a mong or do just basic combos.

Get real son, there's not a single game out there that forces you to play like you see in combo videos, combo videos only exist to show you the autism some people manage to go through. Fighting games are probably the only games where you are forced become good so you can shit out combos out of the wazoo if you wish to become better.

>>377206185
Ninja Gaiden never makes you play on that level either. DMC's style system at least encourages it.

>>377206307
Ninja Gaiden gets a leg up in that the enemies are an actual threat, I'll give you fighting games though.

>>377206373
>Ninja Gaiden gets a leg up in that the enemies are an actual threat
They might be a threat but they still aren't so hard or so fast that you actually need to combo like you see in combo videos.

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>>377206253
I played the first mission and a little bit. It doesn't matter because as far as I know its still

-The same physics and movement
-The same bullet hell segments
-Infinite dash dodging
-Still runs like shit on pc
-Still slams my camera into a different angle so I have to play top down or side ways which works for some areas but shit for others

Are you one of those "It gets good 20 hours in" fags?

>>377203773
>It doesn't play as deep as other action games!
>This automatically means it's shit!
>W-Waaaaahhhh!

>>377206924
>it's shallow, repetitive, and easy
>b-but it's Platinum so it must be good!

>>377206654
I don't care about the assumptions of someone who played a 30 hour game for 1 hour.

>>377207350
lmao 30 hours where you replay the first part of the game again

>>377207187
You can play on the one hit meme mode if you're really such a sperg about difficulty.

>>377207402
Which you can finish in 2-3h

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>>377207187
>Mentioned nothing about Platinum
>Having to have "deep combat" just to enjoy the game
>Nothing else contributes to how good the game is, such as the characters, music, setting or story.
>If it isn't like this other game then that means it's shit!

I fucking hate this world.

>>377207475
So tell me what changes in the other 24 hours of gameplay? Is it any different (Non story wise). I know you continue playing 2B. If the gameplay is shit how does it get better if you spend a full day playing it?

>>377207402
Why do you come into these threads with your retarded uninformed opinions? So you played the game for one hour and didn't like it. Who gives a fuck?

>>377207550
Only someone who would save an unfunny meme picture with video game characters traced over it would defend a shit game

>>377205254
>Can attacking a worthless sack really count as combat anon?

I don't even think you've even played DMC3 Anon. Stunlocking enemies completely is high-level play.

Make a newbie play and they will most likely promptly be greeted with the "Do you want to switch to Easy?" screen.

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>>377203773
Indifferent because I like both for what they are and don't feel the need to compare them in order to like 1 of them more than the other.

>>377206185
>Its all style and no substance, if the game dosent force you to play on that level then it dosent fucking matter. Ninja Gaiden had it figured out ages ago.

You haven't actually played Ninja "Spam Ultimate Technique" Gaiden have you?

>>377207425
Even if I turn on one hit meme mode I'm still playing the game the same. It doesn't make your or your enemies' movesets more interesting. It's still repetitive and shallow.

>>377207589
yeah thats what I thought faggot

>>377207589
To be fair, the gameplay doesn't progress any from the one hour to thirty hour mark. In fact it severely regresses with 9S.

>>377207879
>if you reply you lose
Fuck off.

>>377207552
If it's the gameplay that you don't enjoy then nothing really will change since you will be playing A2/2B 9S in Route C.

>>377207974
>In fact it severely regresses with 9S
>regresses
>when 9S opens up more combos and build variety than both A2 and 2B
I give you that the game does a shit job explain anything at all but 9S has more options if you actually find them out.

in b4 9S has no heavy attack

>>377208574
he probably means regresses in terms of fun
9s has a less fun moveset
wish the hacking minigame had more variation in mechanics to keep it fresh

>>377205779
Fucking christ what an absolute joke. The guy's voice and accent make it even worse.

, thought it's combat is at least better than MGR.

Well I'm loving Nier: Automata, and I look forward to playing Bayonetta afterwards.

Never got into Devil May Cry. I think I played one of them briefly way back on the PS2, maybe DMC2, but barely remember it at all and didn't play very far into it anyways.

It did take me a while to start getting comfortable and enjoying Automata though.

>>377208574
Hacking minigames don't count as combos, Anon. And all of his dash attacks have long ass cooldowns for no reason which is fucking insane given how often you're expected to combo out of dashes.

9S was boring as fuck compared to 2B. Not sure how anyone could possibly argue otherwise.

>>377209434
>Hacking minigames don't count as combos
I'm not talking about hacking minigames anon.

>And all of his dash attacks have long ass cooldowns for no reason which is fucking insane given how often you're expected to combo out of dashes.
Have you considered switching your weapons with a single button press to continue the attack while your dash attack weapon is spinning inside the enemy?

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I hated how there was no reason to swap weapons. All the combos were the same for each weapon class. There was no reason to try a slightly weaker sword with a fucking discount buff when I had a stronger sword of the same level and with an attack speed buff. I also hate playing as 9S. I just spam the spear throw on him and shoot and hack since he's so weak.

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>>377209434
9s can combo just fine

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>>377209523

>>377209356
What? Is this a joke?

>>377209589
Nope

>>377209632
Describe what was wrong with MGR's combat.

>>377209523
>Perfect Dodge counter
>Light attack full combo
>Weapon switch
>Light attack full combo
>Riser
>Weapon switch
>Light attack full combo
>Spears

It looks flash, but that shit is really not at all impressive or fun. It's mostly just mashing square and watching animations play, there's very little advanced tech involved.

>>377205865
GO AWAY DUMMY

>>377209773
raiden controls like shit, weapon attacks feels flimsy

game is too easy if you just mash attack and direction towards enemy. the only difficulty I really had was armstrong as jetstream sam.

Looking back at nier im sad platinum didnt create a boss like armstrong in mgsrv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCIhlQl1nKc that shit was intense adam fight shouldve been like this

NIgER

>>377206225
Yet you're posting Nines.

>>377209840
>there's very little advanced tech involved.

Lol that's ironic for a game who's gameplay is all about the robot on robot action.

>>377209840
>muh advanced tech

go play fighting games instead

>>377203989
this

>>377210553
sexy

>>377210129
dodging is ez in nier and frequently gives you counter attack without even trying
dodge and parry in MGR negate damage but don't give a free counter attack unless you perfect parry which requires you risk almost being hit
nier = low risk medium reward
mgr = medium risk high reward
hardest mode in MGR also turns the game into high risk/reward by boosting perfect parry damage to insane levels but the same mode in nier just makes enemies 2 shot you with no benefit

>>377210491
I'm not the one posting webms trying to showcase the game's combo system. When God of War has more of an execution barrier than your combo videos, you got problems.

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Hey /v/. Kicked this off last night and I'd like to have a go at it again.
Shiritori thread.
>Well what the fuck is this weeb shit?
A word game where you're required to type a word, and you're opponent types a weird with the last letter of your word. The longer and faster your word, the more points you score.
>Sounds hard!
It fucking isnt .
>Where can I play?
https://shiritorigame.com/
Let's go this another go so I'm not spending another night killing this AI over and over.

someone asked me to post

>>377210847
I'm not the one posting webms though, just saying stylish combos against defenseless enemies isn't really all that, it's only impressive if you do it against someone online in a fighting game

>>377210882
nice 1 m8

>>377211025
I'm not asking for something impressive, I'm just asking for something fun. Mashing square isn't fun.

Because DMC3 and 4 and other games like that are just really short games with small hallways that are built to give you what you need for your combat system to not be repetitive
Put the DMC3 combat system in a 30-40 hour open world game without a ranking system and it would be repetitive too

>>377211289
Also with damage values on weapons as a JRPG, it's stupid to compare the 2 games

>>377211246
I can do the same in DMC though, it just won't look as flashy

>>377203773
How does it feel that you will never get people to hate Automata no matter how many times you make these threads?

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>>377209523

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The closest thing to Automata in entire repertoire of Clover/Platinum is Okami.
Trying to compare it to pure character action games only shows how retarded you are.

>>377203850
No one will remember the characters of Nier. It's just waifu garbage. DMC3 characters are timeless.

> trying to bait two fanbases against each other
Whats the point of pulling DMC into this.

It's so frustrating, it should've been good. It has nearly every element that you could want from an action game, but it's just tuned all wrong.

That and the Dynasty Warriors combos were a terrible idea.

>>377212032
Yup, seeing people jump to fucking Bayonetta just because the main character has a Witch-time like dodge and attacks is stupid.

This is very much like Okami for Platinum (formerly Clover).

>>377203954
>Itsuno
>lucky

itsuno is underrated as fuck not lucky

>>377212170
>No one will remember the characters of Nier.
But that's literally exactly what people remember the first Nier for.

>>377212170
People only remember Dante and Vergil. No one remembers Lady, Arkham, Beowulf or anyone else.

Please be rational.

>>377211774
Donguiri isn't human.

>>377212032
>>377214281
This game isn't like Okami where there's other things to do, all you do in this game is go around fighting shit. The first game was more action-adventure, this game is almost entirely combat and running around.

That isn't an excuse for the combat being mediocre when that's most of the game.

>>377214314
Yup, Itsuno barely gets the credit her deserves for being responsible for DMC3, 4, and Dragon's Dogma. How in the fuck is that guy "lucky"? That is a massive insult to his skill as a director.

Also, why are we comparing a character action game to an action RPG again?

>>377214460
>This game isn't like Okami where there's other things to do, all you do in this game is go around fighting shit.

You're an imbecile. First of all, Okami is an adventure game that having things to do beyond fighting is part of that goddamn genre.

Also, please stop comparing games from completely different genres to each other as if it makes sense.

Nier:Automata vs Dragon's Dogma
Nier:Automata vs Kingdoms of Amalur

Those comparisons make sense

Nier:Automata vs Forza Horizon 3

Does not, but that's what you're doing by latching onto ONE aspect of the game.

I wouldn't call Nier:Automata an action rpg at all, aside from the chips, the level ups and the fact that in the end you kill god with the power of friendship, just like in every jrpg ever made it has no rpg elements.

Still has one of the best stories i have ever seen in my life.

>>377214460
>this game is almost entirely combat and running around
And fishing, doing side quests including minigames inside them, hacking, enemy control, VN segments, shmup segments. Stop comparing 5 hours long character action games to open world ARPGs worth 40-50 hours per full playthough, retard.

Both posters above merely said that it's as atypical for Platinum exactly as Okami was atypical for Clover. Would you compare Okami to God Hand? No?

Man DMC fags are really stupid lately

I guess every game where you hit enemies is now a character action game

>>377214841
Do you mean the actual plot or the subtext? I feel like the plot left too many questions unanswered to be called anything more than good, but maybe I'm just being retarded.

>>377214957
I honestly don't understand WHY, though. They're normally not like this outside of Bayonetta threads.

This comparison straight up makes no fucking sense.

>>377214615
Man, bringing those two up definitely makes it clear that this is an ARPG. Kingdom Hearts is also another one to compare this one two. Especially with how you can use items mid-combat via a menu.

>>377214841
>it cannot be called arpg because it has no rpg elements aside from what you can typically find in arpgs
deep

>>377214615
Nier Automata is not Okami. It is almost not an action-adventure game. There is almost nothing to do besides fighting. It's not like the first Nier where there was junk like farming, puzzle sections, and text adventures segments. Automata is all fighting and shooting. What side activites remain are so stripped down that they basically don't exist compared to the first game. Three block-pushing puzzles does not an adventure game make.

Since combat is the vast, vast majority of the gameplay and it looks and nearly plays like other Platinum action games, it makes perfect sense to judge what you're doing for the majority of the game against the standard-bearers also developed by the same company. Improving Okami's combat would've helped only a little bit because there were so many other parts in that game to exploring and solving puzzles. Improving Automata's combat would help immensely because that's what you're doing for most of the game.

>>377212170
I'll always remember Dante for looking like a Hot Topic outcast circa 1999. New Dante was an improvement, though not by much.

Yeah no shit a straight up 5 hour action game made up of nothing but hallways and the whole concept being built around getting good ranks has a better combat system than an open world RPG.
Just beacuse a game has attacks that look flashy doesn't make it DMC or Bayo or something. Put MDC Dante in a huge world with exp filler enemies and a 40 hour story and you will just end up doing the same shit over and over again too

>>377203773
Devil May Cry 3 shits on every action game made before and after it came out. I don't even expect those levels of cuhraaazee anymore. It doesn't mean I can't enjoy Toobie's game though.

>>377215136
>>377214925

Welp i guess every game except for DMC3 is shit now

>>377215354
It's Nines' game tho.

>Friend tries to tell me about this amazing game with GREAT combat
>Ask him to send me a video
>It's a two minute combo video of someone juggling enemies that can barely fight back then they taunt toward the screen at the end

Every time
Every fucking time

What is fun about these action games where the challenge comes from trying to get some arbitrary score higher or getting some trophies?

>>377215480
it's a game about both of them
A2 is just there on mister number 9's wild ride though

>>377215532
Nohting else, strip those games of their ranking systems and you have nothing left except for a fun game on your first playthourgh

>>377215136
And you forget that while Nier that junk like farming and puzzle sections, they were horrible. That game's gameplay was abysmal for its time, and it's worse now.

>>377215165
New Dante was first modeled after the director Tameem, and later a male model. It's not a good design period.

>>377204498
>>377204504
Fuck off

yes we get it you pirated automata and you didn't like it congratulations

now do we need to have a shitting on nier thread every fucking two minutes? I swear there's no other game that attracts so much shitposting on this board right now. When will you all find something else to tip your contrarian fedoras over already? It's not even that popular.

>>377215480
HIS COMBAT FUCKING SUCKS REEEEEEEEE

>>377203773
Pretty nice, especially then Platinum Games still can't do shit to even achieve level of Capcom's really good system combat

>>377215724
The last time Capcom made an action RPG, they made Dragon's Dogma.

>>377215698
Automata is a hilarious case where shitposters will never manage to make people hate it.
That's what makes them especially mad.

Might as well ask here.

Ok I far in do I need to play the first NieR to be able to understand what's going on in Automata?

I am all for playing the first game but having to play it 4 times to understand the plot just feels kinda dildos.

>>377215778
Yeah, and it was better than Nier Automata
Also they released Sengoku Basara 4 Sumeragi, which beats the shit out of both musou games and any "character action" games by Platinum

>>377215934
You don't need to play the first nier, but it adds heavily to the experience as the game makes many references to the first.

If you're skeptical though, just start with automata. If you're genuinely interested in the franchise, definitely go ahead and play nier

>>377215934
You don't really need to play it but the fanservice moments of the game will be lost on you of which two are really powerful.

If you are ever aiming to play Nier do it before Automata because Automata will spoiler the shit out of you with Nier stuff.

>>377203773
it'd just a meme game

>>377216018
>>377216009
Ok then my nigs. Thanks.

>>377203773
Why do people like you still try to hold Automata against games like DMC and Bayo?
Just because it has a Platinum combat system doesn't mean it has to be treated like a bona fide hack n slash/character action game.

>>377215934
It will make a lot of the scenes better. And no you don't have to play it 4 times, all the peolpe that say you have to beat Nier or Automata tons of times usually word it wrong.
In the first Nier you basicyl start before the final boss rush after you beat the first ending and in automata everything after the second ending is new

>>377214328
Because it had actual well written characters?

>>377214957
It's not a DMCfag, it's just some stupid dumbass shitposter who's been making threads shitting on the game since release. He's too stupid to actually play games and form his own opinion, so what he does is make these threads to attract people with genuine criticism about the game and then all he does is shitpost using someone else's arguments pretending to know jack shit. It's really fucking sad.

>>377216143
Idiots that only played MGR or Bayo and people that think every game with flashy attack is now a character action game. Might as well compare it to the first Nier it's jsut as deep as Automata if not deeper, it just doesn't look as flashy

>>377216213
>it's jsut as deep as Automata if not deeper
Okay let's not get ahead of ourselves

>>377216143
Why shouldn't it? It has all those elements and should've been done better, as seen in other action games.

>>377216310
Can't apprehend Platinumfags, Automata literally copies first Nier combat, the only thing that changed is fluidity with animations of course and shit like this, but it's still buttonmasher shit
All PG games are like this, y'all fuckers just think that flashy=deep

>>377216310
strong attack, weak attack, use magic, shoot bullets, an actual dodge roll that needs timing.
Automata just looks flashy

>>377216374
Because they explicitly didn't want to make Automata into a deep action game. They wanted to make it easy, accessible, and flashy.

>>377216374
Because it wasn't focusing purely on gameplay. They wanted it to be a story-driven experience with a solid backbone for gameplay

DMC3 is overrated as fuck (still a great game though) and has a fanbase on the level of Sonic one.
Prove me wrong, you literally can't.

>>377215847
I saw undertale hate threads with this being posted in it, are you that guy? Obviously you can't change someone's cancer taste.

>>377216510
I can't, i like the character action games but all of their fanbases are garbage

>>377216510
I can, PG fags are the worst

>>377216148
Oh ok, that helps a lot knowing that I won't have to run through the entire game again.

>>377204193
>main part of the game
>not story
You have to be 18+ to post in here kid.

>>377203773
Makes sense since Yokotaro games always have shitty gameplay. The only people praising the gameplay of this are newfags who're playing babbies first Taro game.

>>377216712
>this post
Another underage pretending to be adult, kek

>>377216712
the last of us has a better story

>>377203850
>better story and music

Yea, okay.

>>377215072
>Especially with how you can use items mid-combat via a menu.
KH had the sense to give items dedicated animations during which you can be hit, and you only get 8 or so for Sora. Nier throws hundreds at you and lets you use them invincibly.

>>377215586
>Nohting else
>what are deep combat mechanics with a large, interesting arsenal
>what are fun, varied, and competent enemies and bosses to fight
>what are higher difficulties
Ranks are just a specialty run concern and to trick combofags and casuals into thinking their shitty inefficient juggles mean anything, the primary focus is always killing shit and doing so well.

>>377204193

gameplay =/= combat underage

>>377216787
nah

>>377216925
underage

>>377215593
That's not the point. I'm not arguing that the first Nier had better gameplay, I'm contrasting it with Automata in how the gameplay could've been improved. Bad combat was only one of the factors that contributed to Nier's bad gameplay. Mediocre combat is the entire reason why Automata's gameplay is mediocre, so there's no excuses for it.

>>377216497
I don't see how that's an excuse. It's not like having better tuned combat detracts from the story. Also I don't really buy that when so many of the distractions were eschewed so the game has so much more of a combat focus than the first.

>>377216497
>Because it wasn't focusing purely on gameplay
Which is why Taro is a bad developer.

>>377216593
Don't get /v/'s salt towards Platinum. Does /v/ just suck at their game's?

>>377216896
gameplay =/= story by shit writer from Drakengard 3 underage

>>377214957
>>377215072
Saying DMC3 is better is just shitposting fuel.

DMC is my favorite franchise and I love Bayonetta and Nier Automata, they're different kinds of games. Saying DMC3 is better than Nier is just used as a mean to shit on the game and make it seem like you know what you're talking about, they try to dress patrician but if you look closer you ser through the shitty disguises. Same thing with people who shit on DMC3 with "punching bag enemies" even though its actually fairly difficult even on easy. Or people who say Ninja Gaiden is just flying swallow when a lot of enemies will block/counter the move.

Again, its fucking shitposting.

great thread
Any thread that starts with character action shit basicly leads nowhere

>>377217028
DMC3 has great Action gameplay, Nier doesn't. It's that simple.

>If you mash too fast nines does his charge light instead of a regular light

God I hate playing as him

>>377217114
So every game out there except for DMC3 is shit?

>>377216976
>I don't see how that's an excuse
Budget and time.
>>377217000
Taro isn't a developer, though.
>Don't get /v/'s salt towards Platinum. Does /v/ just suck at their game's?
1. You're on /v/. Most people here try to talk shit about every game they can just for kicks
2. Platinum isn't bad.

>>377217000
Where did you get /v/ having salt for Platinum out of that post

>>377215532
It's even worse because 99% of the time combo video type shit is the worst way to effectively play the game and you get much better times and scores just spamming the top tier moves

>>377204498
>Planescape torment is about one of the most powerful individual on the planes
>combat isn't the most important part of the game

>>377217179
Does every game go for hack and slash gameplay? Are there no Action games with great combat like DMC3?

>>377217316
Meant to quote >>377216604

>game is on console first
>nothing but great discussion and honest criticism where criticism is due
>pc version comes out
>threads are impossible to have a discussion in without baseless shit flinging abound

Like pottery

>>377217124
>retard hating on Nines can only button mash
nice

>>377217584
Might asl well compare it to 90% of arpgs even shit like the first Nier. Not every game where you hit an enemy is a hack and slash just beacuse it's made by platinum or animations are more flashy

>>377203773
Taro doesn't give a shit about gameplay..

>>377203909
Nier 1 is overrated with 2 unnecessary last 2 endings.

>>377217920
By /v/'s logic every game is overrated if it has more than 5 people that like it

>>377205215
Because dogs cant buy games.

>>377217716
There is no reason not to mash when you're performing a continuous move with no timing requirements. Obviously you want to get it out as fast as possible. Having to slow down presses just because the game has a finnicky hold threshhold is stupid.

>>377217114
You're such a dumbass. By your logic 90% of action rpgs are shit.

>>377217730
>Might asl well compare it to 90% of arpgs
Which includes KH2FM. Which has far superior combat as well.

>>377203773
Feels no feel because you're wrong.

>>377214328
no one remembers the first Nier

>>377217991
Most games in any genre are shit, what's your point?

>>377217996
Which is also mostly just a bunch of hallways and it took them another year to balance it properly and add good super bosses and it only shines on critical

>good combat
>abuses the shit out of cancel bug
may as well call smash good

>>377217991
sounds about right, even though that's a fucking retarded thing to assume from his post.

>>377217768
I think Taro should produce and write for games and let someone else direct.

>>377205629

I play it with a 750ti in max settings, no idea what you're talking about.

>>377217653
>Don't get /v/'s salt towards Platinum. Does /v/ just suck at their game's?
What? PG games have shit tier combat and they're easy as fuck

>>377218258
Bayonetta 1 and Vanquish are good, some people swear by Transformers Devastation too

>>377218292
They're okay and have even more problems than both DMC4 and Lost Planet 2 for example
>some people swear by Transformers Devastation too
That's just sad

>>377218142

>people praise dmc3 for combat depth when high level play is just abusing a hitbox bug repeatedly to stunlock enemies

>>377203773
ITT idiots try to convince everyone Nier automata is a game like DMC and not an RPG.

>>377218057

> I only own a pc

>>377217706

Indeed.

Complete DMC casual here, I played DMC3 a long time ago and had fun with pizzalord
Is DMC4 worth buying/anything like DMC3

>>377218496
Get DMC4 SE if you liked 3. The missions aren't as good but the combat is just as good if not better

>>377218408
>being an rpg justifies poor combat

nah.

>>377218496
Get the SE for 4. Campaign is nowhere near as good as 3, and there's massive amounts of asset reuse. But combat is improved.

The enemies are awful, though. Shit like Blitzes and the parasite enemies are bad game design.

DMC3 has too much combat which is actually a bad thing when analyzing the combat, at least Nier Automata has a better pace.

>>377204881
Nier didn't really have better bosses, most of them were actually really underwhelming. What it did was make the bosses really cool visually, instead of bosses following the Shade aesthetic they're all really different. Automata's bosses all follow the same aesthetic as the machines the only one who really looks unique is Simone. But I think mechanically they're all much more impressive.

>>377218408
It's a shitty RPG too, I don't know where you're going with this

>>377218606
Considering Nier Automata's competition is ARPGs like Dragon's Dogma, Kingdom Hearts 2, and Kingdoms of Amalur it's perfectly where it is.

>>377218623
>DMC3 has too much combat which is actually a bad thing when analyzing the combat
Christ do you read your posts before you send them or are you just actually retarded

>>377218124
>Which is also mostly just a bunch of hallways
And an empty semi open world is better?

>it only shines on critical
KH2's combat is great on any difficulty, you're just not encouraged to make use of it outside Critical.

Contrast Nier, where it's either you die in one hit or the game's a joke, melee is super simplified, boss gameplay gets gimped by story shit, there's shitboxes everywhere and chips account for far too much of your damage.

>>377218606

The combat is fine, though. Just because the option is available for shitters to mash their wsy through doesn't mean you have to do the same.

>>377218606
What rpg has better combat?

>>377203773
autoata's biggest issue was being able to spam dodge continuously (making you invulnerable) while slowly whittling down an enemy's health with the guns. the fact this is always a valid tactic was kind of dull and disappointing.

>>377218258
>PG games have shit tier combat
Try them on difficulties above normal for a change.

>>377218378
>They're okay and have even more problems than both DMC4
Oh, you're just shitposting. Had me worried for a second.

>>377218619
>But combat is improved.
It's a step back from DMC3's in almost every way but pointless physics and having everything at once, which ruined most of your tools.

>>377203954
3 felt too limited coming off of bayonetta.

>gameplay discussions on /v/
Please no

>>377218843
>Try them on difficulties above normal for a change.
I did
"Oh, you're just shitposting"
Another PG dicksucker, sad!
Just fuck off

>>377218696
define "better"

>>377218997
?

>>377218883
DMC3 came out 3 years before Bayonetta, dumbass.

>>377205179
Ask Nvidia to fix it. They probably won't, but they are the only ones who have the expertise to fix it.

>>377219087
>DMC3 came out before Bayonetta
>that means everybody MUST necessarily have played it before Bayonetta

go eat a banana you ape

>>377218258
>PG games have shit tier combat and they're easy as fuck

Compared to?

>>377219176
Context and release date is important, imbecile. Expecting a game released 3 years prior on the previous generation to be more advanced than a later one is stupid as fuck.

>>377203773

DMC is an action game and Nier Automata is an action RPG so indifferent. I have both and appreciate both for what they are.

I don't understand how could Kamiya the creator of God Hand and Bayonetta, two masterpieces of combat, come up with the boring shit that is Nier's combat, I guess he just got lazy.

>>377203773
How does it feel that I will always think this is one of the best games ever made and you can't change that :-)?

>>377218883
This is a joke right, you're pretending like you know what you're talking about otherwise you wouldn't be stupid enough to post that.

>>377219087
Yes, and?

>>377219030
>I did
I meant Very Hard, not Glorified Normal.

>accuses another Anon of being a dicksucker
>implies Bayonetta and Vanquish aren't miles beyond Nero May Cry 4
You overplayed your hand Anon.

>>377219280
He didn't work on every Plat game you know. Bayos combat would also suck in a 40 hour open world game. Why are you platinumfags so retarded

>>377219280
Kamiya had nothing to do with God Hand or Nier A Tomato

>>377219329
that's just how it felt.
feel free to enlighten me.

This game would be a lot more fun if the healing items weren't so fucking cheap. Besides buying healing items, money is worthless.

>>377219353
Thanks for approving that you're blind dicksucker and there's nothing to stop you

All Automata needed was an item use animation when playing on hard or above

>>377219280
this is why people need to stop worshiping game dev figures

>>377219389
>Action combat sucks after an arbitrary amount of playtime
Perhaps it isn't platinumfags who are retarded.

>>377219493
And a dodge cap

>>377219389
the only way automata really differs is not having all those special input skills you buy at the shop. it feels like most of those should be a standard in every platinum game going forward, and it's odd they just dumbed automata down.
also, leveling up like that is such a shitty boring mechanic. I wish more rpgs took a more pure approach like a zelda.

>>377219508
No it sucks wenn you remove the ranking system, add tons of enemies for EXP, add weapon stats and character level etc.
You wouldn't do your perfect dodges and 1000 hit combos all the time, after a few hours you'd just do the same 2-3 attacsk to kill everything fast

>>377219594
>No it sucks wenn you remove the ranking system

Actually anon, ranking systems are just shit for aspies who don't care if enemies are just scarecrows or not.

>>377219470
>Thanks for approving
>approving
What?

>that you're blind dicksucker
But I'm not defending one of the worst playable characters in Action.

>>377219035
Did you just call something bad without knowing your own standards for good?

>>377219594
>No it sucks wenn you remove the ranking system
No one cares about the ranking system except as another challenge run they can do. You think anyone goes for Pure Platinum their first time through NSIC?

>add tons of enemies for EXP, add weapon stats and character level etc.
But then it isn't Bayonetta's combat anymore.

>You wouldn't do your perfect dodges and 1000 hit combos all the time
I don't do that now.

>>377219803
>add tons of enemies for EXP, add weapon stats and character level et

He means it sucks when they do that.

>>377219803
The number of enemies and shit has nothing to do with combat system you idiot.
Why even bother, these fucking threads lead nowhere anyway

I'm hijacking this thread to ask. There is a chip that makes it so when you dash around you're like blueish and ghosty and I think it lets you pass through projectiles unharmed maybe? Whatever the case, I want. What is this chip?

>>377215532
https://youtu.be/cZREyEP2rus?t=1m12s

>DMC babies still shitposting

>>377219969
>these fucking threads

All of them?

Reminder that Taro hates gameplay, genuinely believe the piss-easy "Normal" mode is how the game is meant to be played, and probably told Platinum to make the gameplay shittier just because he's too bad at video games to learn a game with any depth.

>>377218190
Disagree. The combat is fun in both Niers. I think Automata nailed it, the only problem with combat in the first Nier is the difficulty balancing. Normal is way too easy and hard turns every enemy into a full blown damage sponge. The combat mechanics are pretty good.

I'm playing the first Drakengard right now and the combat in that is fun as well. I avoided it for years because of the Taro can't into combat meme. The only problem with Drakengard is the camera, it's terrible.

>>377220098
[citation needed]

>>377220096
Yeah, but character action gameplay "discussions" really take the cake. It's just people disagreeing with each other for hours

>>377218619
>Blitzes and the parasite enemies are bad game design
Found someone who could not git gud

>>377220076
what's the point of all this?

>>377220291
Whats the point of any game
Whats the point of /v/
Whats the point of life

dmc ruined action games and made them all style and no substance.

also ngb > dmc3

>>377220332
to suffer

>>377219921
KH did and was fine.

>>377219969
>The number of enemies and shit has nothing to do with combat system you idiot.
Number of enemies tossed at you does affect gameplay, as does a stat system. I wasn't the one who originally brought this up.

>>377220214
The game straight up tells you Normal is the best game mode, mate.

>>377220464
you mean like every other game ever made?

Play DMC3 on DMD with current style switcher mod, enable style switching + 3 Devil Arms and Guns
Literally no better action game
Prove me wrong

>>377220250
>Blitz
>wastes time pointlessly teleporting around doing nothing
>gets both a special shield and super armor when it is exposed
>in a game about comboing shit
>parasites
>complete trash before attaching to something
>once attached, gives that something a free attack, regardless if its in hitstun, every few seconds

>>377220512
You must play some shit games, dude.

>>377220535
I really hate how it's comparmentalized like that. feels pointless.

Sorry fags but Megaman Zero drops a deuce into Dante's mouth and rectally ruins robo-waifu

Still the king of cuhrayzee after all these years

>>377220512
>tutorial difficulty for casuals who just want to beat the game once and move on
>generally best difficulty
Fuck nu /v/

>>377220551
>he doesnt know how to deal with Blitzs
Hint: Royal Guard or Pandora on Dante, Charged shots on Nero.
>Parasites making it so you have to pay atention to positioning and timing is bad
Its not like you have abilities for positioning or attacking from a range to use when the issue arises

>>377220616
Finally a good post

>>377218619
the only good thing about 3's campaign was the design/settings and characters. mechanically it's nothing special. even though the first had better atmosphere overall and a better dante/story.

>>377220605
>comparmentalized
Style Switcher is pretty advanced now, doesnt even need crazy installation like before and has all those features

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fnMN10jlx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T6eSYwW2cg

>>377218652

what's a good arpg? let me guess, bloodborne? dark messiah? kek

>>377203773
Nier is TOP-3 BEST ACTION GAMES in Japan

How does it make you feel, nigger?

20. Rockman 2 (Famicom) - 18pt
19. Super Mario World (Super Famicom) - 23pt
18. Muramasa (Vita/Wii) - 26pt
17. Metal Gear Solid V (PS4/PS3/XBO/360/PC) - 27pt
16. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64) - 30pt
15. Hoshi no Kirby: Super Deluxe (Super Famicom) - 35pt
13. Devil May Cry (PS2) - 38pt
13. Metal Gear Solid (PSX) - 38pt
12. Kingdom Hearts II (PS2) - 42pt
11. Metal Gear Solid 3 (PS2) - 45pt
10. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (PSP/iOS) - 48pt
09. Super Mario 64 (N64) - 55pt
08. Bayonetta (PS3/360/PC) - 63pt
07. Kingdom Hearts (PS2) - 117pt
06. Dark Souls III (PS4/XBO/PC) - 121pt
05. Bloodborne (PS4) - 147pt
04. Okami (Wii/PS2) - 152pt
03. NieR:Automata (PS4/PC) - 183pt
02. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Switch/Wii U) - 205pt
01. Super Mario Bros. (Famicom) - 241pt.

>>377220803
>messiah
What did he mean by this

>>377220749
what features?

>>377203773
Why are retards always the loudest of the group?
Please kys and stop shit posting about a popular game that you are not allowed to like because of mental issues

>>377220836
Some of those are not even action games
>KH1 above KH2
As always nips have the worst taste

>>377220836
I wish people would stop pretending smb is a good game.

>>377220836
>Devil May Cry 1 instead of 3
Aw yes, the shit taste country.

why did they drop the ball so hard on nier's combat?

>>377220857

Performance fixes, some grafix optionsl, ability to have up to 5 guns and devil arms on dante, a bunch of shit appereantly

>>377220836
>Famitsu Poll
Also, Japan? These are the same people who think mobile gaming is the future and think Lightning is the best character in FF. Their opinion means nothing to me.

>>377203773
still not as good as godhand.

>>377220836
kek what a garbage list
>>377220921
it was good for a 1985 platformer

/v/ being retarded contrarians. More news at 11.

>>377221042
not really.

>>377220939
had to spend more time on the "amazing" story/world. takes a lot of time to design a small barren map with two types of fauna apparently.

I got through Bayo and DMC by spamming two buttons, dunno what's so great about them

>>377221240
You can beat Automata by only holding the fire button with almost no repercusions besides taking more time.

>>377221240
name one game in this genre where you can't do the same thing.

>>377221380
I still don't get how that makes DMC3 great, makes you just seem insecure by bringing up other games

>>377221417
Ninja Gaiden Black, although I'm pretty sure that anon is meming anyway

>>377221417
So they're all shallow shit?

>>377220551
Enemies being able to attack while they're in hitstun is fine. It's extremely powerful, so the game designers should be really careful with it, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it. Think of any enemy that can leave lingering projectiles/satellites/AoEs that persist even while you're hitting it. The problem with the chimera enemies in DMC4 is that the blades come out with basically no telegraph, which is an actual problem, but there are still ways to deal with it once you know their gimmick.

DMC and BAYO are action games, Nier is a RPG retard.

>>377221793
>BAYO
>action game

>>377220660
>he doesnt know how to deal with Blitzs
>implying I haven't been stomping those fuckers for almost a decade
They're boring enemies that railroad the player's choices and waste time.

>enemies that force you to back off and use ranged options in a game that nerfed ranged options to hell is good design

>>377221793
I don't see how this is somehow a defense for the game, it's a shitty rpg too

>>377221426
Try it on DMD.

>>377221490
Only if you're an RPGtard that refuses to do anything beyond mash buttons.

>>377221641
>there are still ways to deal with it once you know their gimmick.
The problem is those ways are boring and weak compared to your normal tools.

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So, I havent played it yet but I heard troubling things from the PC port.
How bad/ unstable is it? is it getting patches or something?

>>377203954

>Nier Automata marketed as an Action RPG that was never supposed to have a particular complex combat system or a high skil roof

>DMC3 was supposed to be a full blown action game that brought Devil May Cry to the top as the definitive action game

>THIS GAME IS BETTER THAN T HE OTHER, MNHYEG!

Why do people care so much that they need to compare 2 different games?