Can we agree the the In Medias Res opening actively hurt Persona

The twist isn't that he was the traitor

the twist is that you knew the whole time and played him like a damn fiddle

>>377197481
>The twist isn't that he was the traitor
THEN DONT SET UP THE TRAITOR TWIST AT THE START OF THE GAME

It gave me expectations that were way better than what we got.

I thought the casino was going to be a real place, since the humans in it reacted like actual humans instead of like shadows, and you got captured by police. I thought it'd be some weird twist that things were overlapping the worlds by that point, or they were so good that they were popping into the metaverse on the fly and subduing security's shadows.

Instead it was just a palace, so all that showing off meant nothing. I thought all the time where they said they wanted to be famous and inspire society was going to come to a head where they'd actually do a real Oceans Eleven heist, letting themselves be seen in the real world so that the public would really be whipped into a frenzy.

>>377197528
Just stop dealing with anime.

>>377197528
It was a red herring. I was meant to make you feel smart and smug till the true twist happens in the velvet room.

>>377197683
It didn't make me feel smart, it made me feel mad and insulted that the game wasted an hour explaining how they knew who the traitor was despite it being obvious and a retard would have picked up on the pancakes shit.

>>377197614
>I thought the casino was going to be a real place, since the humans in it reacted like actual humans instead of like shadows, and you got captured by police.
The police were real. Joker was legit arrested.

>>377197614
>It gave me expectations that were way better than what we got.
And this is my problem with the opening. P5 would genuinely be a better game if it didn't have the heist bit at the start and didn't keep fast forwarding to the future.

>>377197751
Jesus, you're a retard OP. The traitor wasn't the point. Fucking mong's these days I swear.

The traitor is easily the worst part about P5. Everything from how obvious it was, to how cliche everything about him was. From his backstory, to his death he was a walking cliche. Every single line in his final encounter where lines I've heard verbatim a hundred other times. He was a collection of all my most hated cliches.

Literally the only unique thing about him was that he is only popular for solving crimes was because he set up those crimes int he first place. I felt fucking insulted that the game had the gall to attempt to make me feel bad for him in the end. He deserved getting shot to death, the fucker.

>>377197938
See >>377197528

It sets to tone for a series of shitty reveals when I was expecting to get my socks blown off.

>>377197802
Yeah, he was, and everything pointed towards that.

Which is why it was way lamer that it was an asspull that they just marched 50+ police officers into this fucking evil casino stocked by non-humans and evil creatures, and somehow no one questions that.

They really beat it over your head how stylish and how much of a showoff Joker is in that section, and it just feels like a waste when it turns out he had no audience whatsoever.

>>377198182
Well then that's your problem. Go play something else.

>>377198253
Yeah fuck me for expecting good plot twists and traitors.

>>377198204
>Which is why it was way lamer that it was an asspull that they just marched 50+ police officers into this fucking evil casino stocked by non-humans and evil creatures, and somehow no one questions that.
How is that an asspull?

>>377198367
There was a good plot twist, it just didn't meet your retarded expectations.

>>377198703
>There was a good plot twist
good joke

>>377198802
the fact you were expecting a better twist than the already good one, from the people that ended their last game with literally the power of friendship saving you, is retarded.

>>377198802
Your whole post is a joke. Fuck man, did you even get to the velvet room twist or did you expect that to.

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I think it's safe to say very few, if any, agree with your retarded-ass autismfit, OP.

>>377199116
Its safe to say you're a faggot

>>377199040
The last month sucked other then the final shot with satanael

>>377199116
http://www.strawpoll.me/12983156
Then lets prove it

>>377199116
>smug retard comes into the thread so he can post a smug image — not because he has anything worthwhile to say, but rather to try and dogpile a guy that some people are already disagreeing with

People like you belong on Reddit. Dead serious. You have nothing worthwhile to say and only want to shallowly jerk your cock to your own half-assed "wit". I have no interest in this argument and only posted in this thread to call you out on being retarded, before you go accusing me of being OP.

persona villains are always kinda weak, but i liked the framing device stuff. kind of worked to give more of a feel for how far along you were.

>>377199420
>persona villains are always kinda weak
*persona villains after 2 are always kinda weak
Fixed that for you

>>377199273
Fuck op, you're super ass blasted godamn.

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>>377197343
It actually does. I feel like this was done to avoid too much comparison to Persona 4 where the theme was to find a culprit and so they decided they would show us a different perspective (including the one of the bad guys) as a different "flavor"

The issue with this including the one you mentioned is that it creates a huge disconnection with the characters. I feel that once Futaba joins your teams it becomes harder and harder to identify yourself with the phantom thieves since their actions makes no sense considering what you, as the player, know.

It kinna makes you look down on your own group and as a whole that is not a very good player experience. This is how I feel about it from a design perspective anyways.

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>>377197343
>Get "spoiled" on /v/
>Was just someone saying Morgana was the traitor
>Think through the whole game that morgana is going to betray us
>because of that I completely miss goro hearing morgana and all the other foreshadowing

>>377199874
How

The pancake shit is the most obvious shit ive seen in years

>>377199950
I literally just explained how

>>377199874
thanks for spoiling fag

>>377199976
If if you where mislead that should be something you'd pick up on

>>377199312
>People like you belong on Reddit.
thats rich coming from someone using reddit spacing

>>377199874
It's not hard to ctrl+s bro.

>>377200068
>reddit spacing
What in the name of fuck is this

>>377197343
It's commonly agreed upon that the real twist is that the traitor gets tricked to death

>>377200196
And thats a shitty twist

But the real twist is that there were two people selling you out, and that being captured was all part of your plan.

>>377199874
In P4G I never suspected Adachi because
people had been saying it's the gas station attendant.

>>377200315
>there were two people selling you out
But there wasnt

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>>377200403
now that's hilarious

>>377200415

Fake Igor was literally setting you up to fail.

>>377200627
See >>377200079

>>377200627
But other then him decided humanity needed to go he didn't interfere with you at all.

>>377200727
he made Akechi start earlier than you

>>377200926
That isnt much

I thought it was going to be Haru all butthurt because she thought that the PT killed her dad, but they wouldn't have the balls to make a waifu the bad guy.

And I thought the Akechi signaling was going to be some obvious red herring since he's the only person who doesn't show up on promo material and literally everything in the game pointed to him the entire time. But then they just went with the obvious one.

>>377201170
It's a huge thing, Akechi had a whole government with him thanks to that advance.

>>377201383
same

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>>377197481
>let me conveniently forget very specific parts of my memory, namely the ones involving our master plan
>hurr drugs made me forgot them but not everything else
>I can also remember scenes that I'm not a part of, for example I know about the SIU director's dubious scheming

>>377197343
I hate how it spoils every single one of your targets and future team mates.

>>377204140

The drugs kept him from remembering anything, that's why you go back to the past to relive it.

>>377200196
fucking retarted
>can remember what was on the news on a given date
>can remember what random train passengers were talking about on a given date
>can somehow remember events that I didn't even witness
>only things I can't remember are the most vital pieces of information, many of which occurred in the recent past

I thought they would never make an ending/twist dumber than P4, but everything from 11/19 on in P5 is pants on head retarted

>>377207079

He very clearly remembers the plan. The flashbacks spell it out perfectly for you.

It's just that he's exhausted on top of the drugs being in his system. Like drinking and getting over the hangover only for it to suddenly hit again.

>>377199312
No he does but Sae goes over the cases with him and they discuss it.

The game would be much better if the Sae flashforwards stopped after the intro, or weren't in it at all.

Everything she says is redundant as hell.
I only liked being able to taunt her about Makoto.