>people laugh at Shadow the Hedgehog but defend this Why?

>>377172536
Jak and D had one game and wasn't an established franchise like Sonic

i cant, jak 2 is really mediocre. 99% of the game is spin jump and shoot with the yellow gun.

Naughty Dog went down hill after Jak X.

>defend
people hated Jak II for being an edgy GTA clone when it came out, kys

>>377172840
They had three. Although Jak was only really an edgelord in 2.

There's no checkpoints

https://youtu.be/YM5Ot50oMcc

>>377172536
I didn't, I hated it. Same with the edgification of prince of Persia.

>>377172864
you mean after jak 2.

>>377173005
are you a retard?

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I was going to say "the difference is that Jak 2 was good" and then I remembered it really wasn't.

>>377173152
Are you?

>>377173005
Yes but Sonic had 4 2D games and 3 3D games at that point, Jak 2 only had 1 game before they decided to add guns

>>377173173
you can't even read m80

>>377173382
Obviously you can't. I was correcting you when you said Jak and Daxter had one game.

>>377172536
I won't defend it, I liked Jak & Daxter but couldn't get into Jak II, gameplay and setting were too different. Beginning of the end for Naughty Dog desu.

>>377173382
It's partly my fault, I could have worded it better

>>377173515
he obviously mean that there was one game before they went all edgy with it you fuck, the difference being that sonic was a well established franchise you pea brained cunt

>>377173770
He said Jak and Daxter had "one game" while Sonic was made an entire franchise you dense piece of shit.

>>377173919
lol you are seriously autistic if you can't understand anon's post you can stop replying at anytime you little faggot

>>377172536
Jak 2 was still a decent game.

>>377174057
You are seriously autistic if you think that post isn't poorly worded. Kill yourself.

People give Sonic too much shit but the 2000s were filled with series going the edgy route
This was just one example
Twisted Metal and Prince of Persia
We're doing it and had a fair amount of success
M Games like GTA had some of the biggest success in terms of sales
And Linkin Park and Godsmack were on constant radio/MTV circulation
Everyone in 2000 was just edgy teenagers

I like the red head

>>377174219
So is Shadow

>>377172536
Completely agree. Moreover Jak and Daxter was one of the last great 3D platformers, the wasted potential turning it into GTA-lite hurts even more.

I'm not really a fan of both games but at least Jak 2 was more polished and had it's moments of "huh the developers actually cared about this game during development and put actual effort into it" like I'm not even saying it's a particularly good experience overall in my eyes but on the other hand when you look at shadow all you see is unfocused amateur mess.

>>377174675
>but at least Jak 2 was more polished and had it's moments of "huh the developers actually cared about this game during development and put actual effort into it"
Where? In the checkpoints being placed miles apart yet not offering any sort of health pickups so you basically learn all the enemy spawns to kill them before they even show up? In the escort missions where the escorts run into the enemies? In the ability not to invert aiming when in turrets? In the weapons that can't hit the broadside of a barn and rival Ratchet 1 aiming? In the forced GTA mechanics where hovercars are as brittle as a piece of paper and the police can't be escaped without dying or zoning out because they keep respawning next to you? In the areas that are far worse in terms of size and design than any of the J&D areas?

Jak 3 had a nice balance of platforming, gunplay, exploration and driving. Wastelands best area. 2 was only harder because the checkpoints were spread further apart.

>>377172536
>people defending Jak 2
I don't know where you've been, OP, but the only people who defend this game have always been transparent nostalgiafags who made a bad purchase at the Blockbuster. Jak, like Sonic, has been a franchise that has been criticized for not having a consistent identity.

>>377175331
>gunplay

except they didnt nerf the yellow gun and instead just added a bunch of guns that you would never use

>>377172536
Jak 2 is actually good

>>377175058
Like I said before I don't like either game but I'm just going to say Jak 2 was definitely much more polished overall in comparison and I grew up with both games.

>/v/ suddenly hates Jak 2

>>377175345
Nigga, the nostalgia fags are the ones who call the piece of shit first game the best one.

Jak II's a good game, and it never goes that far with its edgelordness. Most of edgy Jak only really comes out when Baron Praxis is mentioned in the second game, and the little dialogue in Jak 3 when he refused to play hero because he got kicked out of the city in the beginning of the game.

Most of you don't remember nor might have actually played the game. But then, most of you sound like the worst kind of /v/ posters (muh 'omg they changed stuff in the next game it automatically sucks' bullshitters.) Fucking cancerposters.

im glad people are starting to realize jak 2 and 3 are decent at best.

>>377175835
>muh 'omg they changed stuff in the next game it automatically sucks' bullshitters.
But in II's case it was a downgrade in most ways from the first game and they just added new features that were half-assed and felt like you were fighting the game rather than working with it. Even the areas weren't as fun to explore barring the hoverboard mine area and it was tiny before you got to the turret section.

>>377175756
Fucking retard

>>377175740
this

>>377172536
Sony.

>>377172536
Jak 2's good while StH was pretty crap.

>>377173157
You first thought you had good taste and then you remembered you didn't? Damn, that sucks for you.

>>377174621
>jak and daxter
>last great anything
J&D 1 was a garbage collectathon and the only appeal was elf tits, it was an infinitely worse game than Mario Sunshine
Sly Cooper and Ratchet & Clank ran circles around it however and might actually deserve that sort of recognition

>>377172536
Fuck you Jak 2 is great

>>377172536
I swear to god people need to replay this game in order to realize how fucking awful it is

>jak and daxter spends all this time establishing a whimsical world of sages and eco
>NONE of it is relevant in the sequels

why do this

Jak 2 was trash, Jak 1 was decent, haven't tried 3 yet.

>>377176662
imo 3 is even worse than 2. the game just feels really rushed.

>>377176117
How? The game world was much larger, there's an objectively larger variety of encounters thrown at the player, in terms of secrets and side stuff there's a lot more to explore on that end as well. I really don't see how the game with the far larger and more detailed hub would have less to explore especially when there's minigames and hidden things all around. Jak 1 was just another N64 style platformer meanwhile Jak 3 was too much about the guns whereas Jak 2 looked at almost every one its encounter almost like a puzzle with some gimmicks like turret sections.

>>377176157
sorry that I'm right

>>377176659
its all entirely relevant considering its supposed to show just how bad the future turned out.

>>377174410
You're literally retarded if you think it was poorly worded.

t. a completely different anon.

>>377176617
>got the HD collection a few years ago
>hey, the atmosphere and characters of Jak 2 still hold up, the difficulty can be a bit bs at times and there are some flat out unfun vehicle sections but the settings are unique and connect together well and it's overall it's pretty goodbye
>Jak 1 is just a boring Mario 64 clone with generic grassland, forestland, lavaland and iceland with boring characters and all around repetitive gameplay

I fail to understand how anyone can call Jak 1 better, I guess the only explanation is Jak 1 is the only one they played.

>>377173085
>Not liking the best racing game
Shit taste man

>>377177741
lol burnout is way fucking better

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>>377177520
>Jak 1 is just a boring Mario 64 clone

>>377177520
>hey, the atmosphere and characters of Jak 2 still hold up
retard

>>377177520
>Mario 64 clone
I mean if that's how you wanna go about describing it but at least it had an interconnected world with almost no load times if any

>>377177520
>repetitive gameplay
Better to focus on one aspect than being all over the place and failing at everything
>generic lavaland, iceland
Yeah, having 90% of the game in generic Grayland is far better, sure.
The first game had top-tier level design, the most important quality in platformers, but of course you wouldn't recognise that if it hit you in the face.

Jak 2 had some cringy fucking moments
>that part where they blow up the metalhead nest and Jak laughs evilly like an anime character and says EAT THIS

>>377172536
Jak II executed the grimdark concept much better than Ow the Edge.

>>377178185
>Yeah, having 90% of the game in generic Grayland is far better, sure.
The world is 100x more interesting, and it's broken up into different segments, the slums, the neon lit metropolis and everything on the outside of the city.

>>377175058
This entire post comes down to "why arnt health packs spewing from my enemies whenever I slaughter them? It's almost like the game wants you to get good "

Tl;Dr git gud.

>>377178185
>Better to focus on one aspect than being all over the place and failing at everything
Not really. It's not like platformers have immense depth within individual mechanics. Jak II had a far larger variety of encounters which gives this puzzle game element to the game.

>Yeah, having 90% of the game in generic Grayland is far better, sure.
You do know there's more to Jak II than just the slums, right? It's definitely got far more variety than Jak 1 without having to rely on generic elemental planes.

>The first game had top-tier level design, the most important quality in platformers, but of course you wouldn't recognise that if it hit you in the face.
But the second one is better there as well? More intricate zoomer challenges, more variety in puzzly puzzles, more variety in platforming dangers meanwhile the only levels that can match any of this in the first game is that one area where everything's mechanical and the last level.

>>377172536
Don't know about anyone else, but I actually played and finished both games as a kid and remember liking Jak II more. I guess the reason being playing as edgy elves, shooting fantasy guns in a fictional world was a lot easier to stomach than playing an edgy hedgehog shooting real guns in the real world(with demons and Sonic&friends).
It also helps that Jak played a lot better than Shadow did.

>>377178635
This. And it's thanks to this game that Jak along with the rest of the cast (outside from daxter, he was fun from the beginning) have developed actual personality and aren't just cartoony caricatures.

>>377177520
Oh honey

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My biggest problem with the game is the god awful """""open world""""" aspect of the game.

Literally the most barren hub-world I've ever seen. Nothing interesting, no places to explore, nothing worthwhile to do. Just miles of greyish, boring buildings that serve as filler as you travel between missions.

>>377172536
Better characters, better gun

>>377179361
>lmao ur so wrong, pshhhhh I don't need to explain why... I-I just don't have the time... h-haha

>>377179559
This

>>377179128
delet

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>>377179653
...awkward!

>>377175058
>muh checkpoints and health
Only valid complaint, but get good.

>In the escort missions where the escorts run into the enemies?
Never happened to me, idk what the fuck you are on.

>In the ability not to invert aiming when in turrets?
Oh no! Two minor sections of the game where I gotta do this ruin my entire gameplay experience!

>In the weapons that can't hit the broadside of a barn and rival Ratchet 1 aiming?
Stop playing the game like a shooter and play it like a platformer.

>In the forced GTA mechanics where hovercars are as brittle as a piece of paper and the police can't be escaped without dying or zoning out because they keep respawning next to you?
Well, stop bumping into shit so much or use the larger zoomers that do have more health. The guards don't spawn directly next to you, and it's totally possible to get away from them, you must fucking suck if you couldn't the game had a far more lenient system on this than GTA. The temple and the grass precursor spot where you fight the big metalhead beast thing for the first time are objectively larger than any J&D level, not to mention the size of the main hub itself while also offering more than just tricky platforming (ex. the hitting things that become platforms in a certain order.)

>>377178635
Pretty much this.
I went back and replayed Shadow and lost it when I heard the gunshots on the main menu, what were they thinking?

>>377179559
>time based minigames that challenged player's skill in speed based platforming at literally every corner of the game
>various otherwise hidden precursor orbs
>the races and hoverboard challenges
>that one thing with the oracle
>gaining more dark Jak powers
This is what I can remember off the top of my head.

>>377180010
>time based minigames that challenged player's skill in speed based platforming at literally every corner of the game
Laziest implementation ever. It didn't challenge your skill at platforming, it challenged your skill at memorizing the gay boring city that no one cared about. Literally just put in to pad the game.

>various otherwise hidden precursor orbs
It's fucking nothing. A boring world with random collectibles scattered across doesn't make it more interesting.

>the races and hoverboard challenges
Those are mandatory quests that you have to do to progress in the main mission.

>that one thing with the oracle
>gaining more dark Jak powers
These are the same point and all you need to do was go to his house with enough gems and you get the power. It doesn't add to the world and it doesn't give you any more to do.

>>377180627
>It's fucking nothing. A boring world with random collectibles scattered across doesn't make it more interesting
>A boring world with random collectibles scattered across
Anon, you literally just described Jak 1 in it' entirety.

>>377172536

Holy fuck you Jak 1 niggers are fucking cancer. Fuck off retard. Jak 2 is the best of the trilogy, comparing it to fucking shadow is just retarded.

How the fuck did one fucking line, and a few gruff dialog moments trigger you so badly.

>>377172536

Because Jak 2 is an actual well made game you fucking faggot.

>>377181182
Yes, but you had tasks or quests to do that would lead to a reward. If we tried to make a comparison, the city in Jak II would be like Jak I without the power cells and the number of scattered orbs reduced by 95%.

>>377172536
game does not pander to autitst dressing up in a fur suit
jack>dumbnic

>>377175756

This. The first game is like 4 hours long and so easy that young me beat it in a single sitting without dying once. I mean it was fun but Jak 1 fans overrate it so much and act like they lost something so special. Jak 2 was a straight up improvement over 1 in every single way.

>>377176157

Fucking retard.

PRAXIS

>>377178635
Agreed. The game even makes it part of the story to have him calm down. When he reunites with Keira she's actually disgusted with the crap she's heard him doing. By Jak 3 you actually see him mature and calm down because he's trying not to be like that anymore.

>>377181740

>yfw I'M GONNA KILL PRAXIS baited more retards than any pasta ever dreamed of baiting

How did such a simple, inoffensive, normal, regular sounding line, trick such a large population of retards into thinking it's edgy in any way?

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>Crimson Guards shoot undodgeable hitscan projectiles

Defend this.

>>377181884
It's not the line so much as the context
>first line ever said by character
>comes immediately after goofy mascot character getting kidnapped and tortured
>clearly supposed to make you go "Whoa! This game isn't messing around like the first game!" but ends up seeming very silly and immature
>immediately followed by Daxter mildly cussing ("Remind me not to piss you off")

>>377180627
>It didn't challenge your skill at platforming, it challenged your skill at memorizing the gay boring city that no one cared about.
What? Did you do them at all? Or just gave up when you realized that they don't initially tell you where they are? Most of them require timing specific jumps or pulling specific tricks with the hoverboard to gain enough speed. They didn't just hand shit to you on a platter like Jak 1.

>It's fucking nothing. A boring world with random collectibles scattered across doesn't make it more interesting.
Far more interesting than the approach typical 3d platformers and even Jak 1 took with their collectibles by cleverly hiding them in various spots. If the world was as boring as you say, they would be much easier to find. But they aren't, since the world actually has a lot of detail put into it.

>Those are mandatory quests that you have to do to progress in the main mission.
So you haven't played the game and just googled shit? Yes the first hoverboard mission is a tutorial where you do the challenges. Yes, you race Erol in one of the missions in that stadium. But those aren't the actual side mission versions of those.

>These are the same point
Nope. One has you get gems to a statue thing, the other is a minigame you play with an old lady.

>It doesn't add to the world and it doesn't give you any more to do.
Bruh one of the two of those activities has a story character that helps the main guys, and the other drastically changes gameplay choices. What the fuck are you on? Also you totally have more to do, in terms of them being additional optional activities, and the fact that if you go through the game straight up, you won't get enough gems to get all dark jak powers (which, if you try to do it post-game, leads to some creative exploring to get the last few gems after beating the final boss.)

>>377181598
>t-they removed muh power cells!
>this game automatically sucks
>more orbs=better even if they aren't creatively hidden

>>377182352
>thought they were going for whoa this game isn't messing around
>clearly has Daxter shooting the shit right after the line kinda making fun of Jak being angry as fuck
How fucking stupid are you?

>>377172980
I still hate it for same reasons. Especially since I enjoyed the colorful world of Jak&Daxter and it was the first 3D platform game I found really worthy and wasn't made by Nintendo or Rare.

>>377182105
Shoot them before they shoot you

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>>377182615
Just because you have a character make a light joke at the intensely edgy shit going on around him, doesn't negate that the game is clearly indulging in said intensely edgy shit.

>>377173032
>marty at the bottom left
stopped watching there

>>377182972

It's not intensely edgy, at most it's mildly edgy.

And even if it was, why the fuck is that bad. Holy shit stop getting triggered you fucking pansy.

>>377182972
I must ask again how fucking retarded are you because if you think edgy automatically equals bad, you're next level stupid. You must hate anything that tries at all to be dark, right? Only cutesy shit because that's the true mark of an insecure man?

>>377183558

What are you even going on about

>>377182972

Man dark Jak was so cool. I really liked that, and light Jak in the third game as well.

>>377175058
Git gud

>>377183142
>>377183558
Okay, samefag, calm down. I was answering your question, simply explaining why people don't like it. You seem to be getting rather upset, so let me try to explain it in more detail.

It's a bad thing in my opinion because it does dark and "edgy" poorly. It's still a series about a talking weasel and an elf with green hair, it has no business trying to market itself to Hot Topic kids. It clashes with the first game so hard in terms of tone that it doesn't feel like a natural extension of the story, world, or character. It is very clearly indicative of Naughty Dog's growing insecurity in regards to their games, and feels like a push to distance themselves from anything seen as "childish." But there's really nothing more childish than trying to fake maturity by making everyone grim and grimy and gritty. There's no thought put into it, it's just dark because it was aping GTA and shitty 90's comics.

Dark and gritty can be done well, but only if the author does so with purpose. There has to be a reason everything is so grim, or else it comes across as self-indulgent. A good theme, a good message, some sort of social commentary, some kind of point to the edginess is necessary. Jak II has no point to it's edginess, other than distancing itself from its "kiddy" roots, which ironically makes it come across as insincere and immature.

>>377177916
He's right.

>>377184149
Not even close. It's a boring Banjo clone.

>>377176468
This

>>377184039

>claiming we are samefag
>it's a bad game because it does edgy poorly

Not even reading the rest of your retard post.

OP is a faggot.

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>bought the Jak&Daxter Collection back when it came out on the PS3 because I had never played the series before
>start he first game
>colors
>great platforming
>jokes
>light hearted affair
It was so good I platinumed it in 2 days
>start Jak 2
>LOOK HOW FUCKING GRIMDARK JAK IS NOW KIDS!!! ISN'T HE BADASS!!!?!?!
>all of those shitty driving missions
>the game is now 95% garbage shooting and 5% platforming
>all of the dialogue is cringeworthy as fuck because Jak is CRAWWWWWWWLING IIIIIIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIN mode
>big empty hub world that served no purpose other than to waste your time traversing between missions
>again, those absolute fucking garbage driving missions
I dropped the game halfway through and was too disgusted to even try playing the third game. What a shame.

>I'm gonna KILL Praxis
That's like the only edgy thing he says all game.

He's like one of the least edgiest characters in the entire game, even fucking Keira is angrier than him.
For fuck sake did /v/ even play this game?

>>377184308
Alright kid, time for bed. Tomorrow's a school day.

>>377184640
He acts like an edgelord asshole in every mission dialogue like some tryhard "badass" protagonist. from a corny 80's movie. He's Steven Segal for the majority of the game.

>>377184570

Kill yourself you shit taste faggot.

2 > 3 > 1

>implying the tiny little haven city is empty
>implying the are even that many driving missions
>implying you have to shoot that much
>not using the hoverboard

>>377172536
I hate the first one. The second and third one are way better.

>Jak 2 is my favourite game in the series despite being one of the most frustrating games I've ever finished

It helps that Jak 2 had compelling, well voiced characters, I think. Naughty Dog have always cared about good voice work in their games and that's the one thing that's held up for the garbage Uncharted games. The Jak and Daxter series at least knew how to balance gameplay and story but Uncharted nope, gotta have muh cinematic moments and tedious third person shooting. I could write a whole essay as to why I hate those games.

>>377184923

The first isn't bad, but definitely overrated as fuck. But I agree that the second and third one are massive improvements over the original.

Literally artificial difficulty: the game.

>shitty minigames that control badly
>filler hubworld to pad the game length, have to walk 5 minutes to each mission
>enemies don't get harder, they just recycle them and point more in your direction
>crimson guards lock onto you and shoot you if they miss
>rubberbanding on the races
>muh no checkpoints

I'M

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>>377183675
You claim that the game is trying to be this tryhard overtly edgy thing when the majority of the character interactions prove you otherwise. This is kinda played for laughs when the resistance leader is shown to be the green sage dude himself. Sure the world is dystopian with a dictator oppressing people or some shit, but that doesn't make it tryhard edgy the same way flooding the entire world full of dark eco in the first game didn't make its bad guys edgy.

>>377184039
1. refer to pic
2. if you want to keep the delusion that we are triggered, not obviously you by this game, go for it at least you can keep that one if not the samefag delusion
3. it was never trying to market itself to Hot Topic kids. Daxter still makes every character interaction goofy as fuck. The seemingly cool as fuck resistance leader was just the green sage. Jak II has far more self awareness than you think it does.
4. If you actually bothered to get ALL the cells in Jak I, they obviously had this shit planned from the beginning.
5. Muh darkness especially played in goofy ways doesn't need to be muh deep. The game's obviously got inspiration from 80s action stuff with its dystopian yet goofy feel. There's nothing self indulgent about something that was already planned and also makes sense within the universe (Gol and Maia were already doing messed up shit with Dark Eco in the first game; it's just that you didn't notice until the last level or two. Jak II's an expansion of that.)

>>377184998

>mfw I finished Jak 2 easily as a child

Literally git gud you cuck, do you also find the Lego games to be difficult?

>>377185045

I didn't claim anything, I'm just wondering where you got a bunch of presumptions after reading through the reply chain.

>>377184835
>implying the tiny little haven city is empty
It is, if you aren't into playing garbage recycled mini games and collecting stupid orbs.

Having played both games, I kind of want to say Jak 2 is more tasteful about how edgy it is. STH was fucking childish as some points.

>>377184835

That hub city is empty as fuck and you know it. Having one house where you can go to upgrade weapons does not excuse the fact you have to walk 5 minutes between missions doing nothing. It's a blatant attempt to artificially pad out the game's length. Ask yourself, would have the game lost ANYTHING having relegated upgrades/mission selection etc to a menu or a hub world 1/10th the size of that garbage city hub? No, it wouldn't have.

>>377185103
What's your point here idiot? Everyone finished the game.

>>377184824
Name one mission he does this. Only guy he acts like an outright arsehole is to is Torn and that's only because he's reacting to Torn being the biggest edgelord in the series and maybe occasionally wise-arsing Krew. Daxter is more of a cunt than he is.

I'm convinced you haven't even played it and are just parroting the other retarded opinions you see in this thread.

>>377172536
>people defend Jak 2
no. They didn't when it was released and they don't now.

>>377185135

>collecting well placed and hidden orbs to get actually fun unlocks isn't fun

Fuck off moron. Jak 2/3's Orbs are actually one of the best collectables I've ever seen in gaming before.

>>377185327
Read this thread. There's a ton of manchildren with shit tastes defending this garbage solely based off of nostalgia.

>>377185143
/v/ equates darker to being edgier and have no real grasp of narrative nuance. Jak is actually pretty tame and measured in comparison to the characters around him but of course /v/ doesn't know that because they never played it.

>>377185119
I joined in with the "are you stupid" post, considering that guy added all this context that he made up in his head.

>>377185160
>you have to walk 5 minuets between missions doing nothing
You are talking about Jak 1 right? Because the second and third games have readily available transports everywhere.

>>377185329
>t. Edgy teen who grew up playing the Jak games

Play more games idiot.

Jak 2 actually had decent writing and well voiced characters instead of IT'S LIKE TAKING CANDY FROM A BABY WHICH IS FINE BY ME and WHERE'S THAT DAMN FOURTH CHAOS EMERALD?

>>377185393

Well, in Jak 2's case it would be drive for 5 minutes instead of walk for 5 minutes.

>>377185393
>Because the second and third games have readily available transports everywhere

Third game improved on it. Jak II you still have to walk or drive 5 minutes between each mission in the boring city.

>>377185398
How does liking collectibles make one edgy?

>>377184570
>character says "kill"
>DUDE HE'S SO EDGY XD
Jak is literally more goofy in Jak 2 than he is in 1.

>>377185528
But unlike Jak 1 and most platformers' walking through nothing, stuff like the KG and traffic in general make it far more interactive/engaging.

>>377185534
As opposed to 3 where you drove through the barren desert for god know how long?

>>377185398

I've played 300+ games to completion you fucking faggot casual.

>>377183693
Light Jak was the best
>buy cheat for infinite Light eco
>run around the desert city with shield up
>bump into NPCs with the shield, they get angry
>they open fire on you
>shield means they can't hurt you
>they inevitably miss you and hit other NPCs instead
>within minutes it's a full-blown civil war as you stand safely in the center of it all

>>377185640

I dunno, I found it to be annoying fluff when trying to get from place to place.

>>377185384
but... Jak 1 was the first game

>>377185534
Nah, 3 had a large ass desert with too much empty space. 2 has the most engaging traversal of the three games since it's got actual traffic and KG to worry about.

Jak 2 was a good game
Shadow was not

>>377185714

God Jak 3 was such a good game. So many cool things like this and yet faggots dismiss Jak 2 and 3 over a fucking line of dialog and muh desert.

>>377185660
The missions you get in the city are pretty close to each other. Driving to the desert temple 4 times was a pain though, I'll give you that.

>>377185754

To be fair to Jak 3's Big Ass Desert, it does have bandits or whatever roaming around.

Jak 4 when?

Who else here had autosave issues forcing you to remove the memory card? Who else had their memory card fucked in return? I'm convinced that's the reason they didn't give it an HD port. Looking forward to the PS4 version which will fuck up my entire system.

>>377185913

Just get the car that does big jumps and fuck about hopping around on the way there, it's fun.

>>377186002
They tried that, The Last of Us happened instead. I don't trust Naughty Dog to make a fun game anymore to be honest.

>>377172536
IM GONNA KIIIILLL PRAXIS

>>377186002

One has already been made. It's called Jak X: Combat Racing.

>>377185729
It encourages the player to get good at traversal. If you do it right, it can take roughly, maybe less than five minutes to get from one end of the map to the other, even if you go through the congested spot near the market.

>>377185940
Which I appreciated and all, but that game in general had too much space that was just not that dense. Meanwhile Jak II was denser while not relying on overloading collectathon as was made popular by N64 platformers.

>>377186268
I thought that was a spin off.

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>>377186002
Uh...

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>>377186002
How can they outedge themselves with Jakk 4? I can picture it now...
>DA NAME'S JAK. JAK DA METALHEAD KILLER, GOT A NICE RING TO IT, DON'T YA THINK?
>*Scars by Papa Roach starts playing*
>Scene cuts to a drab hospital where Jak is forcing Keira to get an abortion
>he shoots up some heroin and starts slitting some random guy's throat
>cut to a new scene where he walks into an elementary school and murders everyone
>/v is filled with angsty retards that loved the series when they were kids so they defend it and crown it as GOTY

>>377175392
>nerf the yellow gun
The second version of the Blaster Rifle is the best gun in the game. The ricocheting bullets rip through enemies.

>>377186273

>It encourages the player to get good at traversal.

Whatever you think. It was just annoying to me.

>>377173515
God you fucking absolute idiot. I'm entirely certain you're a highschool junior convinced he's the bearer of all knowledge. Jak and Daxter had one game before Jak II's release, you fucking idiot. That's VERY clearly what he said and meant, but here you go, making yourself look like a complete asshat.

>>377174473
I can agree with that though jack at least kept its core gameplay consistant. Ive always enjoyed 2D sonic over 3D

>>377186414
>Jak haters so mad at getting BTFO with actual discussion about the games that they are resorting to obvious bait like this
Lmao the state of the Jak haters right now.

>>377186414
>i-its not edgy you retards I bet you didn't play the game

>>377185714
Using Light Jak's time stop and then spamming the grenade launcher is retardedly fun.

what other platformers had the same feel as jak and daxter?

>>377186414
He literally just says kill.
That's it.
That.
Is.
It.
Even if you thought he was edgy in 2 (which he fucking wasn't) he was significantly less edgy in 3.
I'm sorry you're still impressed by rainbows and baby cartoons and refuse to invest in anything that doesn't have semi-serious themes.

>>377187397
*does

Jak & Daxter only had one good game: the first one. Rest were trash pandering to Grand Theft Auto kids.

>>377187951
*2
2 and 3 went off to give Jak it's own identity after they tested out the potential of the PS2 hardware using Jak and Daxter as a test game, there's a reason it's such a campy snorefest that does nothing interesting.
But ofcourse Jak 1 mouth breathers are too stupid to realise this, they just want to watch Care Bears.

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>>377188389
I didn't misprint anything in my post.

Pic is the only good game.

>>377172536
I was having fun until a turret mission that I couldn't be fucked to beat, so I quit and moved on to Jak 3.
Jak 2 was adorably edgy tho.

>>377172536
You're 100% right

People hate on Shadow for being the epitome of edge. For fucks sake just look at this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPWrHPNekvE
He fucking cocks a submachine gun like its a shotgun, while cops sirens wail in the background, while standing on the only big ass rock in the entire city, while demons are invading, while looking like he doesn't care, while there's a full ass moon behind him, while metalcore music plays in the background all in the first 20 seconds. The only way it could get any edgier is if Shadow's back up was Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris who banish the demons with their combined power of atheism while it's raining blood and Atreyu or Avenged Sevenfold plays in the background.
And to top it off it's a completely terrible game.

People hate on Jak 2 for turning an action adventure platformer into a hybrid GTA clone while trying to sell itself as edgy and hardcore. It's not a bad game. But it is inferior to J&D. The promise to expand upon the lore and delve into Daxters past while shying away from the kid friendly image of the PS2 wasn't a good mix.

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>/v/'s gotten so contrarian they're pretending the Jak trilogy isn't good

Be honest, who are you trying to impress

>>377188896
>Grand Theft Auto packed into a kids game is good
:)

Mhm. Tell me more, sweetie.

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>>377188896
really makes you think...

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>>377189041
you got me

>>377173005
you fukin dunce

>>377174426
Jason Rubin has talked about how GTA3 was 100% responsible for the retarded switch from light hearted, fun and colorful platformer to edgy guns and cars. It was just a product of the time. The fact that they continued on doing it in 3 was disappointing. The first one is one of my all time favorite games period.

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>>377172536
1>3>2

Come at me.

>>377174426
can confirm. Mall Rats was basically my life in the late 90s

>>377186717
>i-it's good
don't breed

>>377175740
Im trying to debunk this with a runthrough on my emulator
and so far its not as good as I remembered

>>377188896
I had just aged out of the edgy shit but still had a soft spot for the platformers of yesteryear. Bad timing.

>>377175835
>>377175835
this, holy shit this

>>377189678
So in other words it's peak time for you to have your head fully up your own ass (aka "I grew out of it" phase.) This shit is easily more cringe than any attempts at being an edgelord. You won't notice it until you grow up a bit.

>>377190491
Well that was fifteen years ago so it should be any day now.

Alright, I've only ever played the first game and all I'm interested in is platforming. The moves you could pull off in Jak 1 were fluid and awesome. Are the other games worth getting? What's the amount of platforming compared to shooting/racing? Zoomer platforming like that one area in 1 can be okay I guess but not as important to me.
It's not literally a GTA clone where platforming is inexistant is it?

>>377190836
Platforming is definitely still there. It's the one thing that I like about Jak compared to Sly or Ratchet in that it always maintained actual platforming.

>>377190967
Nice. Been thinking about getting the trilogy for a while. Thx anon.

>>377190798
>being so old yet still think that subjective aesthetic choices still somehow have anything to do with maturity or being superior to someone/something else
Then it's even more embarrassing that you still have "I grew out of it" mentality.

>>377190836
Nah there's still a fair amount of platforming in the missions, and the movement mechanics are almost identical to the first game's. Don't let people meme you into thinking there's no platforming.

>>377191289
My younger brother ate it up. I didn't care for it so I didn't have to take a huge logical leap to come to that conclusion. I'm sorry if that upsets you in some way.

>>377191486
>blaming it all on his younger brother
>being this much of a garbage human being

>>377189041

I'm Aussie and I've been defending Jak 2 and 3 this entire thread.

2 > 3 > 1 is the official Aussie opinion on the Jak series. Anyone who says otherwise needs to fuck off, because we are full enough of wankers as it is already.

3 > 1 > 2.
3 had the best mission variety, plot, shooting, and bossfights.
1 had the best level/world design and platforming.
2 is the awkward middle child.

>>377192962
3 is the one I spent the most time on as a kid, left the best memories, has the most content, and is arguably the best overall experience.

1 is the best to pick up when I just want some light platforming fun.

Agree with 2 being the awkward in-between.

>>377192034
As another Aussie I'd rank it the same probably and I am a BIG fan of 3D platformers. Something about the first game even back in the day felt a bit insubstantial. It's too damn short and easy.

>>377192034
Ay cunt
1>3>2

>>377185898
What line of dialog?

Jak II had such cool hoverboard levels. It's still my favorite in the franchise.

>>377196039
I still picture Jak and Daxter excitedly mouthing "jetboard" to each other.

Also that bit in the special features of 3 with Torn's VA making a vulgar double entendre toward Ashelin.

>>377181712
>The first game is like 4 hours long and so easy that young me beat it in a single sitting without dying once

This did not actually happen

>>377186002
No ND only wants realistic now fun characters are out of the picture.

>>377194757

Fuck off we're full.

>>377194558

Based. True blue cunt.

Shadow is literally Sonic the Edgehog.

Fuck that shit character.

>>377186416
yellow gun is still op

no it isn't

Gameplay
3 > 2 > 1

Levels
2 > 3 > 1

Characters
2 = 3 > 1

Music
3 > 2 > 1

Difficulty
2 > 3 > 1

Basically, 1 is fucking shit.

Jak 2 may be shit but at least it's not as ugly as as Shadow the Hedgehog.
>but defend this
If you actually lurked, or read this thread, you'd know that Jak 2 has always had consistently poor reception and the only people who defend it are nostalgia-blinded masochists who can barely refute observed criticism.

I think we can all agree that Crash 3 was the best game Naughty Dog ever made.

>>377199801
>Jak 2 has always had consistently poor reception
[Citation needed]

Also you keep bringing up this "nostalgia" bullshit despite the fact that jak 1 came out earlier and was the jankiest game in the entire trilogy, how can you say people are nostalgia-blinded for one game in 2003 but not another in 2001? Are you autistic?

Jak isn't a 4 foot tall anthropomorphic hedgehog

>>377188635
Repetitive as shit, has janky controls and is as generic and vanilla as a mascot platformer can get. Good thing Naughty Dog caught on and realised mascot platformers weren't so hot anymore and turned the series around for the better.

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It wasn't until I came on /v/ that I realized there were people that actually disliked Jak II. It was considered great by all my peers and friends, and also in most forums I frequented 10 or so years ago.

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>>377181712
>that entire post

>>377201494
/v/'s mentality is "if it shows any sign of seriousness, it's le edgy piece of poo poo and it sucks, now excuse me while I go watch MLP"

>>377174426
Twisted Metal Black kind of worked because the series was always a bit edgy to begin with, being a fucking fantastic game didn't really hurt either.

>>377202332
Meh. I don't understand why people are so obsessed over "I'M GONNA KILL PRAXIS" like it's the edgiest thing a character ever said in fiction. The guy had been tortured and polluted with a corrupting substance for years before a friendly face managed to show up.
I'd be mad too.

Edgy is also a word that people like to throw around with the meaning of "it's bad", when it actually doesn't have it. You can enjoy edgy characters just fine for what they are. It's just that what most people associate with edgy is "tryhard".

Yeah, it went edgier, but it also upped everything else in the process. Jak 1 is kinda nice and bland. It's really too damn easy too, every time i play it i finish it in few sittings and collect all power cells. It just became more interesting in the sequel. Platforming is still there.