When is the FGC going to accept Smash? We have the most hype/viewers

>>377170845
I play Melee, but it shouldn't matter if Melee is a fighting game or not. There's a big competitive scene, and that's all I want.

Smash is like really autistic, boring wrestling. It's just the same half a dozen people who win every time and the only reason people follow it is for muh plot and muh lore.

FGCucks have an inferiority complex when it comes to Melee.

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>>377170845
Melee doesn't need the FGC

>>377171771
There used to be a larger pool of good players, but you're right. I still find it fun to watch though.

>>377170845
Because it's not a fighting game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dWsRlzdAMQ

Is Mario a bad matchup for Donkey Kong?

smash doesn't need the FGC and FGC doesn't need smash

only thing that needs to happen is sm4sh and melee communities having babby hissyfits at each other

>>377170845
>When is the FGC going to accept Smash?
They already did.

Judging by the fact that it's been consistently accepted at EVO, it would seem it already is accepted. If you're complaining about other FGC people in the community not liking Smash well I'm afraid to tell you that will never go away. Street Fighter fans don't even like their own game (Street Fighter 5). Complaining is just something that people on the internet do.

>>377171771
>plot
>lore
Come again? This is Melee we're talking about, right?

>>377172293
Who's this random trucker?

>>377172350
Exactly this. /v/ and Kappa get on their high horse, but irl FGC doesn't care at all.

>>377172380
If people cared about the lore, there wouldn't have been such a shitstorm over Amiibo.

What's the lore of Smash again? Oh, right. A magical glove brings Nintendo toys to life so that they can beat the shit out of each other.

>>377172293
Is there some reason I'm supposed to care about what this fatass is saying

>>377172369
It's not at EVO because the FGC accepts it.

Your community is being duped and the only part of the FGC that pretends to accept your game (T.O.s) are people with a vested financial interest to do so..

>>377172496
What's kappa got to do with this?

>>377172293
>smash moms

what?

>>377172572
literally no-one gives a shit about smash "lore"

How good are you /v/? Ever made it out of pools?

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WHY the fuck is a 15 year old party game getting more viewers and entrants than actual fighting games? WHY?

Why in the name of god are you fucking faggots still doing this shit, and why are there so fucking much of you? Why the fuck can't good fighting games get the viewers and entrants you idiots get?

It's autism, right? It has to be fucking autism. I refuse to believe that a shitty old broken party game legitimately gets so much more views and entrants than actual competitive fighting games. You're all just inflating your fucking views and entrants with fake entries and alt. twitch accounts. I fucking know it.

There's just NO way in fucking christ that your shitty fucking dated mindless garbage actually gets the numbers that it does. I refuse to accept that.

>>377172610
>Your community is being duped and the only part of the FGC that pretends to accept your game (T.O.s) are people with a vested financial interest to do so..
Duped? How exactly is the smash community being tricked by being allowed at EVO? I'm not sure how traditional FGC fans saying nasty things about them online is really detracting from them as it clearly never has.

Smash players are the literal dirty, stinky niggers of the fgc; a community full of actual niggers. At least they have the decency to shower.
>Smell like piss and shit and BO.
>Steal everything in sight at CEO and LTT.
>Shit in a fountain at CEO.
>Gloat about shit like stream viewership.
>Complain about finals time and station count at events that are vehicles for other games or traditional fgc events.
>Molest your own community members.
>Smell like peepee and turds while refusing to shower.
>Boo other games that potentially interfere with your top 8 schedule.
>Have the worst version in-fighting in history, completely splitting the scene in half.
>Demand insane things like chicken tendies, SpongeBob handwarmie stations, and bowls of "red-only" M&Ms.
>Redefine decade-old terms due to having zero knowledge of fighting games.
>Complain when events refuse to supply an insane amount of CRTs, even though every other game doesn't run them.
>Have the most boring Evo top-8 in literal history that concludes with a spastic flailing around on the floor, crying.
>Take to Twitter to voice your displeasure about events instead of speaking man-to-man with TOs.
>Smell like crap and sweat while refusing to wear deoderant as university student buildings begin refering to Smash weeklies as "Stinky Days.

my question is

why do FGC people even care?

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>>377172572
he's talking about the history of the players not the plot of the game you fucking mongoloid

>>377172697
>literally no-one gives a shit about smash "lore"

Exactly. I rest my case.

Back on topic, what the hardcore Melee diehards need to understand is that acceptance is a two-way street. Look at what happens whenever Melee's younger brother Smash 4 is mentioned, and then we see just how accepting they are.

>>377172883
Smash takes up two spots that could go to actual fighting games.

>>377172572
>What's the lore of Smash again? Oh, right. A magical glove brings Nintendo toys to life so that they can beat the shit out of each other.

Actually there's three different Smash canons.

>Super Smash Bros
>the fighters are toys animated by a child's hands and imagination at his window-sill

>Super Smash Brothers Melee and Brawl
>the fighters are now figurines in a sort of table-top Mage Knight battle game in which the game play is a dramatization of the interactions of the statues on the board, Adventure Mode and Subspace Emissary being various story modules of the tabletop figurine game

>Super Smash Brothers for Wii U and 3DS
>fighters are amiibos

>>377172838
Video game players just smell bad

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>>377172971
>considering EVO to be a fighting game tournament rather than a business

>>377173046
Speak for yourself.

>>377172803
I like it because it reminds me of when I was younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgTfhUn_3Uk

>>377172971
Maybe actual fighting games should step their game up.

>>377173113
I saw you yesterday and you smell bad.

>>377172971
then why not take up this issue with the TOs that actually plan events instead of shit talking a community that has done it's best to exist despite all odds

>>377172970
i obviously meant that no-one in the smash community gives a fuck about smash "lore" either

>>377170845
melee is fun but the community sucks. The FGC is pretty bad, too. Just ignore everyone and play/watch melee.

>>377172971
nobody wants to see: Dead Generic Anime Fighter #1479

The literal only reason the FGC hates smash is because of it's EVO timeslot. They're particularly upset these days because they want SF4 to have a slot at EVO and they stupidly think it's Smashes fault that it's not there, when it's actually because Capcom only want to promote SF5.

It's always something extremely inane like SMASH WENT OVER TIME AND I HAD TO WAIT X LONG TO SEE FINALS, or whatever. Smash has a lot of viewers and that's why it's accepted at EVO, period. FGC hardcore fans just want to scream and complain Smash out of existence but it's not working and never has worked, but that doesn't mean they won't keep trying.

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How many of you meleefags are also brood war fans? Just curious.

>>377173304
Atleast Dead Generic Anime Fighter #1479 is an actual fighting game and not a party game for children.

>>377172803
>Why the fuck can't good fighting games get the viewers and entrants you idiots get?

>implying there are any fighting games as good as Melee

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>>377172803
>Nintendo release an actual fighting game in pokken
>pokken is actually good
>they don't market it or advertise it at all, almost nobody cares about it
>gets in evo but because the game is only a month old the showing is terrible and it made the FGC think it's shit
>Still doesn't have the arcade characters almost a year later

>>377173374
>Smash has a lot of viewers and that's why it's accepted at EVO, period

Melee is at EVO for viewers and Sm4sh is at EVO for Nintendo money. Mr. Jeward has all bases covered.

>>377173435
I was a brood war fan before I was a meleefag

>>377173438
Thats not helping its community numbers, pots, or tournaments.

>>377173540
>Sm4sh is at EVO for Nintendo money.
This much is true.

>>377173435
There's (un)surprisingly quite a lot of crossover and a lot of Starcraft folks love and respect smash.

I think a lot of people enjoy Smash because its basically a physics fighter. I enjoy traditional fighting games but they just feel so locked down compared to Smash so I can't play them nearly as long.

>>377173435
There are a lot of similarities to their positions as the most competitive game in their series, but not a lot of fan overlap.

Smash doesn't need some FGC for validation, it is the most popular fighting game of all time with tens of millions of sales; more popular than Street Fighter II. 15 years after the games' release it is still reaching hundreds of thousands of people with super majors every tournament, while Capcom, Netherrealm and all the weebshit fighters fight to try and get over 10k for their events.

Smash is keeping EVO alive and it was something that the PLAYERS wanted to get in, not NRS paying shitloads of money to get their trash games featured on the main stage.

>>377173627
Oops wrong image.

>>377173438
I don't care, you already have 2 anime fighters, and one is nearly dead. If you wanna play anime go to anime EVO.

>>377173656
>a lot of Starcraft folks love and respect smash

Yeah that's because Starcraft and Melee are high apm games for people who just like to push buttons.

>>377173735
This

>>377173524
I'm holding out hope for a Switch version that adds the arcade characters and balance fixes. But yeah, as much as I like Pokken, I really don't think it was ready for EVO.

>>377173524
It's like Nintendo wants to fail, but they don't.

>>377173740
Yeah, I'd hope that was unintentional.

That's probably the only image I've seen of Peach just having straightforward sex with Mario.

>>377173735
>not NRS paying shitloads of money to get their trash games featured on the main stage

This year Nintendo paid shitloads of money to put Sm4sh on mainstage.

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>>377173435
played melee and brood war as a kid, follow both scenes as an adult

primarily watch SC2 because it was the big game when i started watching esports

>>377173792
>for people who just like to push buttons
what did xie mean by this?

>>377172803
have you played it?

>>377173871
Yeah, there needs to be more.
I dont mind her getting the good ol Lizard dong but Mario is ok too.

>>377173989
See: Weston "ballz" Dennis

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>butthurt poverty communities getting cucked by two Smashes as mainstage games at every major
>Melee seeping into dedicated side tournament space with all the GameCube+CRT setups that are used for literally nothing but Melee
>TOs taking tables from another main stage game's setups because Melee needed more
>TOs taking a projector from another main stage game's setups because only like 5 people were standing around watching their pools while like a hundred were gathered around Melee's
>the sheer number of entrants, viewers, and Nintendo sponsorship means Smash will be around forever
>SF, Marvell, and NRS communities don't give a shit because the Smash dosh supports their tournaments and brings them to greater heights
Better luck next time, Vampire Loli Midnight Masquerade IV: Melancholy Requiem players.

>>377173792
>just pushing buttons
Lmao Ok, youre just gonna get whiff punished for free.

>>377173876
Nintendo, at least NoA, started shilling Sm4sh hard as a competitive game because they mistakenly see Melee's longevity as a PR threat, despite a relatively small portion of people even caring about that shit.

At this point it's the Smash community that needs to accept the FGC because the Smash community is much larger and relevant now.

>>377174090
you mean the guy that has fallen out of the top 10 and is like top 25 right now?

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>>377174164
>Starcraft
>whiff-punished

Melee is an interesting game but I find that there's a little too much redundant button pressing. Stuff like L cancelling, ledge dashing, wavedashing, multishines, shield dropping, this and that and this and that. All these things have to be practiced so much and are just hard to input for the sake of being hard to input.

In Melee the "gods" almost always beat everyone else because there's so much needless tech skill involved that they win simply by nature of having like 10 fucking years of it ingrained into their brains. Makes tournaments not that exciting when you know what the placements are going to look like most of the time before the tourney even starts.

Street Fighter is much less "tech" skill heavy, but it's smart in the sense that the button presses are a vehicle for a decision or action and not just hard button presses for the sake of being hard.

>>377174272
Yes, did you need to google him?

>>377174334
Isn't a complaint about Smash that moves are too simple to pull off? Sure, those specific techs are more difficult, but at the same time literally hitting a button and one direction will do the rest of your moves.

>>377170845

Fuck off. You subhumans smell like shit and stink up every venue. Learn how to bathe yourself.

>>377174334
>n Melee the "gods" almost always beat everyone else because there's so much needless tech skill involved that they win simply by nature of having like 10 fucking years of it ingrained into their brains. Makes tournaments not that exciting when you know what the placements are going to look like most of the time before the tourney even starts.

not really, Plup and Wizzy are much more technical players than Mango or M2K, it's all in the mentality

Plup tilts pretty much instantly vs everyone where Armada or Hbox are almost unshakable

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>>377172838
>Smell like piss and shit and BO
I can get behind this.
A bunch of autists managed to convince my university to allow them to use a small lecture theatre every week or so, so that they could hold weekly smash tournaments

I went to the first couple but stopped real soon. One of the reasons was because these guys collectively made the room smell of garlic chutney and piss.

Do none of these fuckers wear deodorant? Honestly, it's not expensive

>>377174505
>Isn't a complaint about Smash that moves are too simple to pull off?
You will hear a lot of complaints from people who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

>>377174608
>Plup and Wizzy are much more technical players than Mango
Not at all. Nothing Sheik or Samus or Falcon do is more technically demanding than mango's Fox and Falco actions.

>>377174334
The only "gods" that are technical are Leffen and Armada. M2K, Mango, and Hbox are all less technical than a lot of other top players.

>>377174334
>L cancelling, ledge dashing, wavedashing, multishines, shield dropping
That's all just muscle memory and it doesn't take that long to get good at doing that stuff. Anyone who plays casually for a year can master all that stuff.

>>377174728
it's not about the character but the player

mango didn't start shield dropping until last year, and while he's good at it now it took a while. Plus he drops things that should be simple for someone at his level like jab-upsmash as fox

plup and wizzy have been shield dropping since it was a thing. I would say Plup has the best platform movement of probably everyone

>>377174728
Westballz and SFAT are both more technical than mango. Syrox is too and he's not even close to them. Even literally whos like Relno are way more technical than every god. Tech skill definitely gives Melee a skill barrier, but it doesn't matter as much as you think at the absolute top, as long as you have the basic tech skill down.

>>377175085
God SFAT is so hateable. I don't even know why I hate him, but every time he speaks I just want him to stop talking. Also PewPewU looks like a baby.

>>377174932
>ledge dashing
>Anyone who plays casually for a year can master all that stuff.
>Top players still constantly miss ledge dashes

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Does anyone have that article where Sakurai said that if people wanted to actually play a fighting game they shouldn't play smash and they should play actual fighting games? I don't get what's the point of trying to make a casual party game an actual fighting game?

>>377174878
Mango's movement is extremely technical and he constantly does shit like triple drill waveshining Armada into upsmash like he did over the weekend. M2K's Marth chaingrab is also an incredibly technical feat that literally no other player does as well as him. Not even PPMD gets close.

>>377174995
>it's not about the character but the player
It actually is about the character a lot, because some characters have astronomically more technical input than others, meaning people who play those characters have to be more technical players.

> I would say Plup has the best platform movement of probably everyone
That's aMSa by a fairly wide margin he had absolutely rock-solid consistent shield drops back in 2014 and his movement across platforms and the stage in general outclasses everyone other than maybe Axe.

>>377175085
> but it doesn't matter as much as you think at the absolute top
Could you maybe quote back to me where I'd made any statement about the level that techskill matters at the top?

>>377175386
Autists can't handle change.

You expect Melee players to switch to real fightans when they can't even switch to the latest Smash.

>people who don't understand competitive melee trying to analyze its flaws

>>377175386
not even all melee players call it a fighting game

also melee is nothing like normal fighting games

there is LITERALLY nothing else like melee out there to play, RoA and PM aren't the same

>>377175250
That more from the fact that ledge dashing is partly a crap shoot every time you do it. you can get better and better to the point you won't mess it up most of the time, but I don't think you could be 100% perfect. Especially in actual matches when the pressure is on.

>>377175207
SFAT is just one of a few people who've become prominent in the community based solely on ability while being outwardly just a black hole of charisma. Melee's been gifted with top players who are also good personalities which is one reason it's gotten more popular than it otherwise would have as a spectator sport, and so when you've got someone just devoid of any special personality or character they stand out in the pack.

No-one is more hateable than Fendrick though.

>>377175386
sakurai said so much fucking shit it's impossible to pull a real philosophy out of it

>>377175424
>Could you maybe quote back to me where I'd made any statement about the level that techskill matters at the top?
In >>377174334
you said that the gods always beat everyone else because they have 10 years of needless tech skill ingrained in their brain. Point is that their are players with better tech skill ingrained in their brains that still constantly lose to the gods because of mental game.

>>377175561
Just like people won't switch to SFV? Anything you try to do with that point is going to be hypocritical.

>>377175250
fox players always go for perfect, fully invincible ledgedashes. They'd SD a lot less if they did just alright ones but that's not optimal

>>377175386
Yeah Sakurai also said that everyone should be brought to the same level because he hates losing to people better than him.

>>377175386
George Lucas said Han shot first.

>>377175761
Not me.

Only Fightan I was ever into was Tekken and I assumed it was never taken seriously. I quickly got out of it when I realized how good people at actual tourneys and people who play ranked online are. Way better than I was at my VERY best.

My two cents is worthless but if I was a fag in the fighting game community, I'd say let smashfags have their fun, because they're going to regardless, but don't let them pretend they have the same kind of pedigree as Street Fighter or MvC.

>>377175386
Not retards, aka people, play the game for the mechanics in it, not because its genre.

The retards that don't even play the game are the only ones fighting about if it's either a fighting game or an erotic mahjong simulator.

>>377175915
>or MvC
>mahvelfags this delusional when it didn't even get into EVO main lineup this year

kek

Street Fighter's pedigree is being the grand-daddy of all fighters. Marvelfags are seriously delusional enough to think their meme game has any pedigree at all, let alone comparable to SF.

Got bored of melee. Im just a casual shitter but I always thought it was boring to fight people who just ran away all the time to wait for me to attack and called it spacing and whiff punishing

>>377175915
>but don't let them pretend they have the same kind of pedigree as Street Fighter or MvC.
You're right, Melee has more.

>>377176171
>faggot that gets dash dance whiff punished
learn to over shoot tard

>Fightan games
>2 or 3 big tournaments a year in a major city 100s of miles from where any sane person would want to live

>Smash bros
>weeklys and monthlys in conveniently placed in every other town with more than 10000 population.
Yeah I wonder why smash is so popular...

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>Even the "serious" forum for Melee acknowledge it

>biggest FGC event of the year
>one Smash game gets in because it's so fucking popular that Mr. Wizard would be retarded not to accept its viewership for that fat advertising paycheck
>another Smash game gets in because Mr. Wizard would be retarded to reject a giant bag of cash from Nintendo
>but FGC needs to accept Smash

Regardless of the average nig spinning a fightstick's opinion, the organizers of the fgc's events have accepted Smash because Smash gets them fucking dosh.

>>377176420
>spic trying to say others smell

>>377176420
Leffen also called someone out on twitter for being a stanky fucking autist. Which is good. How you smell affects the people around you and if you're going to adversely affect others then they're right to call you out on you doing so.

>>377176420
Don't you know that showering too much is bad for you and wearing deodorant is also bad for your health as well? Showering too much drys out your skin and deodorant is full of chemicals putting estrogen into your body that give you man titties and turning you into a beta retard.

>>377176748
t. smelly bros player

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>>377176748
Then why are Smashfags beta manchildren retards with tits if they never shower?

>>377176908
That's just because they're mostly fat/skinnyfat and eat junk food

>>377175939
If Sakurai wants to stop Smash from being competitive he has to
>1: Remove the ability to turn off items
But that wouldn't be enough.
>2: Give every stage hazards
But that wouldn't be enough.
>3: Make every character the same.
Only then are you on the same level of party game as Mario Kart or Mario Party. Yes, karts and characters have stats in the former, but they all have the exact same tools at their disposal and interact with the environment and other racers in the same way.

If Sakurai ever wanted to kill competitive Smash, he'd just have to kill Smash.

>>377177178
>But that wouldn't be enough.
Yes it would be

>>377172970
>Back on topic, what the hardcore Melee diehards need to understand is that acceptance is a two-way street. Look at what happens whenever Melee's younger brother Smash 4 is mentioned, and then we see just how accepting they are.
Replace Melee with gays and Smash 4 with transexuals. See how retarded your acceptance speech is?

>>377176748

Are you honestly implying that maintaining baseline body hygienic standards is going to turn you into a beta retard with man tits?

Let's apply occams razor shall we?

You're sitting 99% of the time you play smash, you probably spend a lot of time watching and playing it, so you don't get out much or exercise.

Hey look, it's not your fucking body wash that's doing it, it's your shit sedentary life style and lack of social interaction that makes you into a socially retarded beta with man titties. It was that obvious the entire time.

You're welcome.

>>377177178
Any game can be played competitively as long as there is a win condition and player input which can in some way influence the outcome of the game. The only way to eliminate this would be making Smash Bros just a spinner that players pick characters on. You press the button on the spinner and it spins a set amount of times and lands on a character, and then everyone wins regardless of which character it lands on.

>>377177295
This. Gays are legitimate, trannies are mentally ill.

>>377177236
No it wouldn't. PokeFloats used to be a tournament legal stage.

Imagine being stuck in a hot closet full of wet dogs. The smell is that bad. I always come prepared with mints and a can of febreez in my purse and whiff it out in the bathroom when I need a nose needs a heal.

>>377178051
>purse
No wonder you're a fag who can't take the smell of a real men.

>>377172803
>Why the fuck can't good fighting games get the viewers and entrants you idiots get?
Like what? Every relevant fighting game is already at EVO. The only ones that are left are dead 90's arcade games that nobody plays anymore.

>>377172073
>MLP glasses
The more you know keep posting that picture though

>>377179225
My Little Pony Glasses? If so why is "he who's name I shall not say" not here yet?

>>377179557
Because he only comes when he samefags. He literally only posts pictures himself then replies to them

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>Used to play Magic at the uni
>We have our tables at the commons
>People break out board games sometimes to mix things up
>Suddenly a high pitch whine engulfs the whole common building
>Smash players are here with the CRT they're lugging around
>CLICKCLCACKCLACK
>Louder than everyone else
>Nearly everyone piles out of the center room because this shit is so annoying
>Later they come up to us and ask if we wanted to come to their charity tourney
>"What's the charity?"
>"Autism awareness."
>Everyone's faces as we fuckin' die laughing

Melee fags are actually the worst people.

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>>377179803
>>Used to play Magic at the uni

>>377179803
He was asking you because he saw you playing magic in fucking uni

>>377174728
Reaction techchasing is harder than anything Fox and Falco do.

>>377180731
It's objectively not in terms of frame data and input volume and precision. These are things we can evaluate mathematically.

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>>377170845
>16 years and counting

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>we don't need the FGC, we are better anyway ;)
>b-but please accept us and let us join you! PLEASE!!!

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>>377180915
You can masturbate how many buttons you press but it doesnt change the fact that reaction techchasing is still more demanding and difficult on the player than anything Fox and Falco can do.
Fuck, even shit like Ganons CG on spacies is harder than anything Fox and Falco can do.
APM without meaning is just an empty number.

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>Melee netplay/discussion threads died after a few posts
>Melee shitpost threads live a whole day

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>>377181515
>they always go to autosage
Really makes you think

>>377172786
Once at a nebs weekly and got 7th at a tourny with shiz,flipsy, and rock crock in attendance.

Still pretty mediocre for someone whose been playing on and off since 2014. Hoping to net play grind and go to more nebs monthlies if my meme stem degree nets me a shitty 50k starting job.

>>377181587
I want to put my face in her ass as soon as possible

>>377172786
I've won decently large regionals tons of weeklies and have gotten top 32 at majors. Quitting the game for Tekken though!

>>377172293
This guy definitely seems like a cunt at first but its obvious he doesnt give that much of a shit and just likes talking shit for fun
Not really indicative of how most FGC members are though who actually act offended at the idea of smash bros even being a fighting game

>>377170845
>single-handedly carry your events.

Not according to the latest EVO results
Fag

>>377182782
How do you git gud really quickly? I know there's more than just grinding this game Fiction.

>Meleefags claim they don't need Evo but still get triggered when they don't get a Sunday slot.

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So I don't really care about the "real fighting game" argument, but I do have a question:

Are smash(melee or otherwise) players really that bad? I play in my scene every now and then and, yeah, there are a few unwashed vermin, but it's nowhere near as bad as it seems to be in literally any story I hear about majors, supermajors, etcetera. I mean, anyone who plays competitive videogames probably suffers from some degree of autism, but are smashers as bad as everyone says?

>>377183460
>gitting gud at melee fast being a thing

get a load of this fucking guy

>>377183460
You play games that require you to be smart like Brawl to learn fundies and go from there

>>377184198
Will smash 4 help or should I just play sf alpha on fightcade?

>>377183460
Learn how to criticize yourself and take advice, don't just mindlessly grind casuals. Be that guy that tryhards 100% of the time even in casuals. Play better players as often as possible, ask them specific questions and nothing general or else you'll be fucking annoying. Review your vods properly. Take notes when possible and skim through before a set. Attend weeklies and tournaments as much as you can to become accustomed to the environment. Also research the dozens of articles online helping you out how to learn the game properly. I used to play tons of quake so my reaction speed is pretty damn good. Learn to play to your strengths and find your weaknesses.
Also avoid falco as a starter character desu

>>377184898

Why no Falco?

Out of all the smash games, brawl is the only one that takes serious smarts to win

Melee are just tech chimps

>>377182782
Tag?

>>377185102
Falco is the ultimate tech skill crutch character. Since everyone and thier mom plays fox too its stupid easy to get inflated results playing le laser uptilt a.c. bair nigger bird at low level

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>>377183460
Oh also learn to use the new 20xx hack to it's highest potential
>>377185102
Falco is best learnt when you understand the fundamentals and start becoming good. He has amazing tools for beginners that completely shut down other beginners but many falcos plateau very early on since they never bother to learn advanced options and tactics/mind games and become another shitty falcomaster. Falco is one of the most if not THE most played character at low level and has the least top 100 representation. So many rely on lasers/gimmicky playstyle to carry them. (All opinion btw)

>>377184639
Playing Sm4sh will make you roll and shieldgrab too much. Those options aren't as good in Melee