*CLANK* *CLANK* "Spy's a-sappin' mah sentry!"

bump for interest

>Wrench 1 hit kills Spy

>Building your shit on public
No wonder people like you get backstabbed.

>>377163505
This. Always build at respawn door.

>Not having the jag
Get get enough and fast enough scrubbie

>>377163702
did they ever fix that thing being half as effective as it was supposed to be?

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>>377163702

>get get enough

>>377164594
Dumb Simpsons poster

>>377164551
yes, it's the best wrench now

>>377165284
It's got worse burst healing per swing and does considerably worse against sappers. It's better at getting shit up and running (and relocating), but it's worse at holding your ground especially when focused.

>>377165284
It's gotten pretty nerfed since then though, it's only worth it to use it with the rescue ranger. I fucking hate spies so I stick with stock shotgun, and prefer the stock wrench or southern hospitality

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>>377163129
Don't forget to purchase a Tiny Desk Engineer at your local retailer today!

>>377165553
Yer ugly

>>377164551
yeah, it swings faster and also upgrades faster as intended at the cost of not doing so well with getting rid of sappers and healing them.
I personally use eureka effect, make two teleporters, teleport to spawn and use the jag, and then i'm good.

>>377165284
If you're a baby turtle, sure

>>377165591
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY HAWWWWwwwwwwWAAAAAAAAAWww

>>377165528
Thing is your shit in pubs is going to get fucked up because nobody's gonna protect your butt from spam/spies, so the sapper/healing downside ends up not really mattering in my opinion. Only case where I think this is not the case are lasts like upward or badwater.

>>377165540
I still think that shotty/shortcircuit/jag is a really good combo when playing combat engineer, but gunslinger is just more consistant overall if you are just going to play combat engi, that +25 hp is just too good.

>>377165591
GOTCHA FAGGOT

HHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAEEEEEIIIIIIIIEEEE

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how to spot a pleb: he doesn't use widowmaker

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>>377165990

YOU AUTISTIC LEETLE SHIT

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Post deathcams

The sentry part engineer is not satisfying, but providing healing and teleports is oddly. Just building an aimbot machine who does all the work for you is kinda lame, gotta use the wrangler.

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>>377163494
>Double tap because I'm using the Southern Hospitality
>Blood starts gushing out of thin air

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>>377166327
>spy has cloak and dagger and he's just sitting there doing nothing but spamming voice lines

>>377166046
But is the worst primary for engie , even worse than the pomsom

>>377166482
>Defending the intel
>CnD spy is being cheeky and spamming voicelines
>I spam back
>We're having a good time
>Locate him by mistake with the spy command
>"Oh, merde"
>I schadenfreude at him
>He decloacks, gives me a thumbs up with C+7 and goes away
Sometimes this game is just beautiful

>>377166860
get gud

>>377166860
Maybe if you can't aim, that is.

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>>377166046
>widowmaker over RR

>>377166482
i got a trick for that, using the mark 1 ear sensor
no really close your eyes for second and listen closely

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>>377167149
>I let my sentry do all the work
*yawn*

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>>377167149

>not stock shotgun

>>377167294
>he doesnt fuck people up with the rr
Its like you cant even use projectiles.

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>>377167294
>RR + wrangler
>not the best engineer combination
i see you've played a combined total of 10 minutes with engineer
also
>having such bad aim that you can't kill shit with the RR

>>377167540
I'll admit that the only way I play engineer is widowmaker + pistol + gunslinger. Preferably on KOTH.

>>377167540
>RR + wrangler
How long ago did you stop playing? Because you can't repair for jack with the wrangler on now

>>377167309
>>377167685
Stock Shotgun works if you're using the Gunslinger or Eureka Effect. Same thing with the Widowmaker.
RR is a direct upgrade in any other situation though.
>>377167780
I just gone done playing for today, actually. It still works fine, it's just a bit harder to use now because of the Wrangler's repair nerf. It's still the best combination since it helps quickly repair your shit and get back to firing at the enemy team.

>>377167685
you are straight up cancer

please stop playing the game

>>377164551
Nope, which is why I dropped the Jag and started using vanilla wrench again. At this point it's everything the Jag initially was save for set up speed.

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>>377166046
how to spot a pubstar: he thinks widowmaker is a straight upgrade

>>377168182
but it is if you don't miss

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>>377168068
mad soldier/scunt main detected
stay grounded flyboy

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>>377163129
>"Erectin' a WAHOOOO"

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>>377168358
why do I always click

The hitscan and projectiles in TF2 feel so fucking bad after playing QL

You can really tell Source is an engine made for singleplayer

>it's another engie builds nest at the last point on CP and no one wants to move and push because they're too comfy at the sentry nest episode

Engineers should be banned on maps with control points except Attack/Defend.

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>>377168258
it really isn't.
>have to choose between buildings and shooting
>can't do chip damage or spam at long range
>if you use all your metal you are defenseless
>spies don't give metal
>clearing stickies costs metal
>nobody has 100% accuracy and even if you did random spread/lag comp will fuck you over occasionally
>upside is very situational, engineer is unlikely to survive a fight where he needs more than 6 shots
the only thing it excels at is pubstomping with kritz but then again a power class will probably be better for that

>>377168341
The problem is that there is literally no way for scout to counter a sentry that's already built.

I honestly don't know why engie mains are so obsessed and rabid over "class counters" and shit. So who cares if scout has the best speed and movement options? Just aim good. That's a counter good enough.

>>377168358
Is this the banana of TF2 threads?

>>377163604
>building at spawn
>ever
>not just flicking your view in between wrench swings

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>>377168463
>stab someone in the chest
>get a backstab
>not been fixed since launch
>its a feature!

>>377168685
i really really really like this webm

>>377168636
>spys don't give metal
because of dead ringer or what?

>>377168808
It's all yours my friend :)

>>377168789
>engineer accidentally fires his pistol, immediately rupturing his ear drum

>>377168656
On the other hand though engineer can't move up so it's really only good for forcing a stalemate. I'd like to see regular sentries target slower but make engineer a bit beefier so he can move up easier.

>>377168821
Any weapons that have bonuses on hit do not apply while the spy is disguised. Ubersaw being the most obvious one.

>>377168656
>there is literally no way for scout to counter a sentry that's already built.
That's the point. One of the downsides of Engineer is that it takes a long time to build his stuff. If you gave him time to build, you suffer the consquences.

And it's not like you can't change to Soldier or Demo for a minute to take it out.

>>377168945
yeah but when you kill him he's still gonna drop 100 metal

>>377168358
Wish I could find the source for this

What skins did you use?

>>377169018
no guarantee you will, especially if he's using dead ringer.
that reminds me of another downside you can't spycheck with the widowmaker.

>>377169104
Portal Shotgun

>>377168636
Most of these problems can be resolved if you use the pistol as your secondary, but that's the real problem with the widowmaker. You *have* to use a pistol with it.
It's a great weapon for gunslinger battle-engies, but I wouldn't use it for anything else.

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>>377169104
only one

>>377169175
again why use it in the first place though? when are you going to need 6+ shots?
the upside is so situational there's not much reason to use it.

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>>377163505
>>377163604
>>377164551
>>377165284
>>377166860
>>377167149
>>377168182
>>377168035
>>377168068
>>377168463
>>377168636
>>377168945
>>377168656
>>377168969
>>377169175
all the posts that remind me that /v/ is bad at this game

probably less than 1,000 on all of you

>>377166872
Love moments like that in TF2. I wish someone made another game with a goofy atmosphere which made people do shit like this when they're supposed to be killing each other.

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>>377169320

>>377168969
>engie takes a long time to build
Mini sentry
>just change to power class
I know. I'm just saying that there shouldn't be a class that completely nullifies another class. TF2 isn't an RPG.

>>377167294
RR thwacks as they hit flesh are satisfying as fuck.

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>>377169320
Shoot son, y'all slow as molasses.

>>377165591

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>377169320
5.5k counting alts senpai

sours my milk

>>377169483
>having trouble with minis
bad

>>377169307
Because a good hit will give you metal back.
If your aim is consistent then you can just keep throwing down mini-sentries the moment they get destroyed.

>>377163129
>You can paint it green, yellow and purple
NO

I'M OUT OF THE HAT GAME
OUT OF IT

>complaining about mini-sentries
>he cant do 100 damage to a stationary target

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>>377169798

>>377169714
As a scout. Any other class that's worth a dime kills engie. It's annoying as a fuck when an engie forces me to change to soldier for the billionth time when I wanna try scout for a change.

>the plumber's cap is currently going for $20
steam community market was a mistake

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>>377166248

Not a deathcam, but I enjoyed this.

>>377169683
I used to always hear "that sours my grapes"

>>377170001
Just unbox one :^)

>>377169716
>Because a good hit will give you metal back.
At the cost of not being able to use it in many other situations.

>If your aim is consistent then you can just keep throwing down mini-sentries the moment they get destroyed.
You can't spam minis anymore.

>>377169919
a cosmetic has never made me feel like this

>>377169885
See>>377169943

I'm not saying engie is OP or anything. It feels like to me the class is just there to be a big nuisance who's whole purpose is to waste my time and drag the game down.

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>>377169798
>>377169919
>Paint it slate
>Become more powerful than a god

>>377170018
oh hey toten
surprised you still play

>>377170191
it would only take 3 or 4 scattergun shots at mid range to destroy it, or just pull your pistol out at longer range.

>>377170478

Randomly got back into it. Not sure if I'm riding on a wave of nostalgia, but I'm having fun.

>>377165284
>wrench that forces you to completely tunnel vision on a single building and set yourself up for being backstabbed
>the best

>>377170320
How do you read 'sigma ario'?

>>377170516
When get close enough to do actual damage to the gun so can the sentry. Not to mention engie can literally whack the sentry once and your progress is back to square 1.

>>377169798
>>377169919
>he's not going to make a fat wario engie with yellow cap, level 3 chin and egghead's overalls

Screw luigi, being the fat jew is where it's at.

>>377170724

>change to another class
>destroy the sentry and kill the engie, and then destroy any other buildings

I don't see the problem. I piss engies off with my loch.

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>>377170320

I never get tired of reading this

>>377170682
Sig-mario
>>377170553
At it's core, the game is still fun, enjoy it while it lasts and don't push it once it start getting on your nerves again, nowadays it's best to take a break before burning out on it too much

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>>377170856

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>>377169249
>>377169320
post more of these

>>377170853
Changing the class is the problem. I do love pissing engie off, but like I said, I wanna play something other than soldier or demo.

>>377171023

>tfw all my SFM jew pics were lost in an HD crash

>>377170724
>When get close enough to do actual damage to the gun so can the sentry.
well this is just wrong, and shows that you are a dipship who is complaining because you're bad. first off, the sentry guns dont have distance scaling. they do the same damage at all ranges, unlike you. second of all, scout doesnt need to get right up in somethings face to do damage. you can peek a corner and chip away at it.
>Not to mention engie can literally whack the sentry once and your progress is back to square 1
third, an engineer can not do this forever, and will likely not bother with a mini. after all, smacking it even once means the engineer wont have the metal needed to build another later on.

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>>377171152
Don't worry, my dear friend, I still have some from before I stopped browsing /tf2g/, they are all yours!

>>377171247

>Aces

Of fuck. That voice is in my head again. I wonder what that fags upto.

>>377171352
i think he dropped trading and got into comp.

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>>377171048

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>>377171352
Plays HL from time to time but otherwise I think he's fucked off from the vidya scene. He played HL for a few years after all the bullying he got (not sure if there's any correlation), but he just subs on dK now. Also I don't see any other jew SFM's so I guess I left prior to them or stopped saving them.

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>>377168789
>Hasn't been fixed because it's pretty much a hardcoded netcode issue
>Spy's backstab radius gets nerfed to be even smaller anyways
>Meanwhile, across the map one shotting your medic

>>377171726
What was all this bullying? I heard he was "hated" for a while but not why exactly.

The Plumber's Cap was something I've been wanting ever since it was on the workshop, time to craft for i-

>tiered crate

I'm so fucking tired of this

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>>377171048

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>>377171726

I have some newer ones, this one's pretty smalltime compared to the classics.

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>>377171859
He was a HUGE tradefag back in the day, but he was also a jew who tried to use his site and band of randoms to validate his trades, aka Good Deals. He also made some really shitty tutorial guides on how to play the game and, at the time, sounded like kermit the frog. He had his own site and everything, and on it, you could report people for "sharking".

I hate big fat Pyro's.

>>377172631
>snipers counter isnt sniper
>heavys counter isnt scout
>pyro countering anything
>spy countering anything

>>377172631
>Pyro
>Not utility

>>377173029
>snipers counter isnt sniper
Any class against itself is 50/50

>heavys counter isnt scout
Yeah if you play against tunnel vision potatoes, at point blank heavy does 50 damage per bullet scout gets shredded.

>Pyro countering anything
Pyro being a shit class doesn't change the fact he was designed to counter spy.

>Spy countering anything
Spys gotten many buffs lately, only retards who don't play still think he's bad.

>>377172631
Switch pyro with sniper

>>377172631

All classes can be offensive, defensive, and even serve as utility nowadays.

>>377173197
How does pyro help break stalemates.

>>377173492
No they can't, soldier scout and demo are still the fastest classes by a large margin. Heavy getting GRU or pyro getting detonator doesn't compete with soldiers and demos flying across the map.

Likewise no other class can sneak past defenses like spy or instakill targets from a distance like sniper. No other class has anything that can compete with uber.

>>377173369
>Any class against itself is 50/50
thats not what i was saying. im saying that if you want a sniper gone, you use a sniper. you dont use a spy because only pub kiddies die to spy

>Yeah if you play against tunnel vision potatoes, at point blank heavy does 50 damage per bullet scout gets shredded.
scouts mobility gives him a huge advantage in that fight. tracking becomes very hard when the scout is repeatedly jumping directly overhead and landing 100 damage meatshots over and over

>Pyro being a shit class doesn't change the fact he was designed to counter spy.
being designed to coutner spy doesnt mean he does. the spycicle and the dead ringer let spy sneak away from pyros incredibly easily

>Spys gotten many buffs lately, only retards who don't play still think he's bad.
those buffs dont make him effective. spies hard counter is situational awareness. slightly faster move speed does not counter that. a better dead ringer does not counter that. i dont know what other buffs he got that would make you think that he's any more effective

>>377174165
>scouts mobility gives him a huge advantage in that fight. tracking becomes very hard when the scout is repeatedly jumping directly overhead and landing 100 damage meatshots over and over
Heavy fires 50 bullets in the time it takes for scout to do 300 damage. Heavy only needs SIX PERCENT accuracy to kill scout. It's not even a contest.

>being designed to coutner spy doesnt mean he does.
That doesn't matter, I am ignoring valves stupid balancing decisions down the line. If you want a chart taking every unlock into account you'd have a giant clusterfuck of a chart.

>those buffs dont make him effective
WRONG he has statistically been very effective in high level competitive games, stop spouting this fucking retarded meme that spy is useless.

>spies hard counter is situational awareness
If your whole team is spychecking nonstop and neglecting the front line that's just as effective. Spy benefits from better players too because he can tell his team to make a distraction or coordinate a sap on the sentry nest, furthermore comms are more cluttered making decloaks harder to notice. It's not all downsides.

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>>377169320
3000 now

>>377175027
>Heavy fires 50 bullets in the time it takes for scout to do 300 damage. Heavy only needs SIX PERCENT accuracy to kill scout. It's not even a contest.
Maybe if the two of them are rubbing noses. At any distance, that number becomes less reliable due to lessened damage and the miniguns random spread, and again, Scout's mobility is a major factor in that fight.

>That doesn't matter, I am ignoring valves stupid balancing decisions down the line. If you want a chart taking every unlock into account you'd have a giant clusterfuck of a chart.
Thats moving the goalposts.

>WRONG he has statistically been very effective in high level competitive games, stop spouting this fucking retarded meme that spy is useless.
Citation, please. If you can show me some examples of Spy being run for more than just a suicide pick or two in 6s then I would love to see them.

>If your whole team is spychecking nonstop and neglecting the front line that's just as effective.
Cool. That would be a nice scenario to be in, where the team is all running around the back lines rather than just waiting for the spy to pop his head up on the front lines. It just takes one person to be glancing behind for the spy to be outed, focused, and killed. It would also be nice to be in a scenario where a lone engineer found a magic spot where he is completely immune to being raped by a demo, and that demo needs some help other than a medic to smash his shit. Not hearing decloaks means nothing, turn around every once in a while and then use those comms to alert your team to the spys exact location.

Spy is fundamentally a shit class.

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>>377170191
>>377170191
no, Engineer's purpose is to stop the game from becoming shit

before the addition of Engineer as a class in early Quake Team Fortress, every game was Scouts/Medics rushing from one side of the map to the other and not fighting each other, because they were the fastest at capturing the game's flag-based objectives and nobody could stop them. Games ended in a matter of minutes.

Engineer's addition created a roadblock that teams had to use teamwork to overcome and actually fight each other, rather than zerg rushing the flag in seconds.

With all that said, Valve took Engineer too far in TF2, and he's now stronger than he really should be, and goes the opposite way slowing down the game too much. But as a class, he needs to exist for the game to function rather than degenerate into Scout rushes.

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>>377176094
>Spy is fundamentally a shit class.
Off yourself bitch nigga

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>>377175027
this is an accurate post

>>377176432
>before the addition of Engineer as a class in early Quake Team Fortress

I played QTF when it first came out.

You are full of lies.

>>377176094
>Citation, please. If you can show me some examples of Spy being run for more than just a suicide pick or two in 6s then I would love to see them.
And you say he's moving the goalposts?

>>377176576
>pubs
and its not even a pubstomp. this is like showing off that your mom pinned your drawing on the fridge

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>>377176576
>pub
>ctf

>>377176749
No, you are full of lies. Engineer wasn't added in the original release of Quake TF.

>>377176758
Yes, because he is. I am not changing the terms of victory, I am asking for proof of what he is saying. If Spy really is a comp viable class now than he should be able to show that.

>>377176749
>>377176432
Oh shit I'm sorry, I forgot to mention.

>With all that said, Valve took Engineer too far in TF2, and he's now stronger than he really should be, and goes the opposite way slowing down the game too much.

You didn't play QTF and this is how I know. Because games were longer during QTF days.
Because sentries had unlimited range and instant targeting time and no damage falloff. Dispensers could take out an entire room if you detonated them. EMP grenades shut down heavies and soldiers alike.

>>377176861
I am 100% certain you are wrong.

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>>377176576
>pub
>Not having at LEAST 12 dominations

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>>377170760
if only the hat had alternate mustache styles

>>377176576
>that k/d ratio

lmaoing @ your life

>>377176094
>At any distance, that number becomes less reliable due to lessened damage and the miniguns random spread, and again
And scouts mobility becomes less useful. It's not like soldier or demo where you have to lead a target all heavy has a high damaging rapid firing weapon that is hitscan and 3 times scouts health. Scout cannot beat heavy head on period. You are absolutely fucking delusional if you think it's hard for heavy to track a scout at mediumr ange.

>Thats moving the goalposts.
No it isn't, I said he was "designed" to counter spy which is true.

>Citation, please. If you can show me some examples of Spy being run for more than just a suicide pick or two in 6s then I would love to see them.
I'm not talking about 6s I'm talking about HL.

>It just takes one person to be glancing behind for the spy to be outed, focused, and killed
And it only takes a second for spy to decloak and kill the medic/sniper/demo/heavy/etc.

>It would also be nice to be in a scenario where a lone engineer found a magic spot where he is completely immune to being raped by a demo
Engineer can tank damage with wrangler or teleport his gun away. Sapper counters both of those things. If an uber is used it also means demo doesn't have to worry about knockback and can take it down much faster.

>and that demo needs some help other than a medic to smash his shit
Again you're just talking out of your ass if you think engineer isn't important for holding a point. PL games revolve around him.

>Not hearing decloaks means nothing, turn around every once in a while
Right because turning around occasionally protects you from stabs 100% and spies will never decloak at any other moment like when you're in the middle of a firefight

>then use those comms to alert your team to the spys exact location.
If he's already killed somebody important then it doesn't matter. Wow you killed a spy after he stabbed your medic and lost your uber, good job champ. Enjoy fighting 7 invincible players

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>>377176576
>19 revolver kills

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>>377176576
>24 kills
>Backstabs: 5

I didn't say Engineer didn't make QWTF games longer as well.

I also didn't claim I played the original QWTF, I'm just quoting stuff Robin Walker has said on the subject as to why they added the Engineer class. I'm looking for the particular interview I read it in right now. It was the same one where he talks about how the Spy was added due to a graphical glitch in Quake Team Fortress.
>>377176935
>I am 100% certain you are wrong.
I have proof that you are wrong.
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Team_Fortress#Versions
Quakeworld Team Fortress was released in 96. Spy and Engineer were released in 97. Thus, Engineer was not included in the original release of QWTF. This is a FACT.
Are you getting TFC confused with QWTF or something?

>>377176935
>>377176861
>>377176749
Holy shit you're right.
Engineer was added a year later.

How did I miss that?
That's crazy.

>>377177676
>Are you getting TFC confused with QWTF or something?
I must be.

I'm sorry man, my bad.

>>377176432
As an engineer main, although I haven't played in a long time, I feel like the power of the engineer varied alot.

They were op on ctf and quite good on cp and defense but otherwise there's too much stuff coming to destroy your stuff or you need to move around too much to really be effective.

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>>377177996
Medic is more anti-skill than Engineer
Anyone who "mains" Medic only does so because they can't play an actual class like Scout

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>>377177795
>>377177684
That's okay. I also played Team Fortress Classic, but not Quakeworld Team Fortress, myself. I'm just repeating what Robin Walker said in an interview as to why they added Engineer a year after release of the mod.

This is what Quake Team Fortress looks like, which was released in the mid 90s, while Team Fortress Classic was released in 1999, and has a lot more Half-Lifey graphics since it's on the Goldsrc engine.

QWTF= TF:1
TFC= TF:1.5 (it was a port basically, with some changes)
TF2= TF:2

>>377178134
I play Medic and judging by my MGE this is true (crippling onset of carpal tunnel is holding me back). I play him because I want to get involved in the game, and he's a good class for that without having to do a lot of rapid hand movement unless you're at very high level play.

However I do consider Medic actually a bit overpowered.

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>build teleporter exit
>sapped
>build teleporter entrance
>sapped
>manage to get entrance and exit to level 3
>immediately sapped

>>377178265
Dude my post was half bait half experience as medic ;_;

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Daily reminder that spy is not the softcounter to Engineer, Demoman is.

if you have a Sentry problem, resist the urge to swap to Spy. Swap to Demo instead.

>>377177317
>And scouts mobility becomes less useful. It's not like soldier or demo where you have to lead a target all heavy has a high damaging rapid firing weapon that is hitscan and 3 times scouts health. Scout cannot beat heavy head on period. You are absolutely fucking delusional if you think it's hard for heavy to track a scout at mediumr ange.
You cant track an object moving directly above you, dummy. Scout can jump a lot all over. He can get behind someone super easy. It's not so easy to track something going all around you.

>I'm not talking about 6s I'm talking about HL.
Well no shit you see Spy a lot in Highlander, he's mandatory, just like every class. He isnt even close to being the most important class in HL either.

>And it only takes a second for spy to decloak and kill the medic/sniper/demo/heavy/etc.
Thats a long time, I hope you realize, especially since the combo is such high priority. Its not like you can just waltz behind them and stab someone.

>Engineer can tank damage with wrangler or teleport his gun away
I dunno if youve played lately, but the Sigafoo save got nerfed.

>Sapper counters both of those things.
Or just blow it up. Rescue Rangered away? Kill the engie instead.

>If an uber is used it also means demo doesn't have to worry about knockback and can take it down much faster.
Thats the Medics job.

>Right because turning around occasionally protects you from stabs 100%
It sort of does, yeah.

>Again you're just talking out of your ass if you think engineer isn't important for holding a point. PL games revolve around him.
>Enjoy fighting 7 invincible players
I dont know how much longer I can ignore the fact that you're trying to use Highlander to prove a point. That is not the most commonly played competitive setup, nor is it the one Valve is trying to incorporate into their game. It's like comparing playing basketball in the park to playing basketball in the NBA. You might as well be discussing pub strategies.

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>>377177996
best post

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>>377166248

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>>377178503
>ButtsMGee: engi, your fucking useless, wheres the teleporter?

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>>377178717
is this referring to the anime titled Kill La Kill?

>>377178143
I played QWTF, I remember getting QTF off a BBS, and I remember custom QWTF and mega QWTF.

A lot of quake team fortress. The original played differently and I think the key differences to look at would be grenades, sniper (I used to play this a ton and got really good at it) and I think medic. The way the medic heals now vs then was vastly different. they translated a lot of classes well I think.

Removing grenades might not have been a bad idea imho, since grenade spam was such a thing.

>>377177996
>Engie not all the way on the right for usefulness

I hope you like not having teleporters and dispensers.

>>377178924
Yep, Medic used to just have a healthkit he would hit people with lmao and he was a LOT more combat-focused and a main objective capturing class.

Valve did a good job of making him into an actually entertaining healer who actually heals.

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>>377178907
Nope, just some good old classic cuckold porn.

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>>377178503
>teleporter gets sapped
>try to break it
>the sapper on the other end doesn't break

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POST YOUR LOADOUTS YOU SALTY SEA DOGS

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https://www.quaddicted.com/webarchive/www.planetfortress.com/interviewsPF/gaben.shtml

lmao

>>377179346
All Gibus, all Pyrovision, all the time.

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>>377176576
Are we doing this now?

>>377179167
And it spread aids that could only be cured by other medics. If they had no medics then they were pretty much dead if you hit them with it.

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>>377179468
How the fuck do I get good at soldier? I've tried 1v1's before and i'm slowly getting better, but is there something i'm missing?

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>>377179346
I wear the gibus and kill some tryhard fag a few times and they immediately taunt after finally killing me, without fail.

>>377179316
This only happens when one of the teleports is just recently being built

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>>377179481
Yeah, while it's a fun mechanic I miss it was also sort of terribly imbalanced in that sense that only Medics could cure it, and it made teammates paranoid of each other. I used to spread AIDS on TFC servers when I was younger and get kicked for it all the time because people got so pissed, admittedly it was sort of cheap.

I wouldn't mind seeing them bring back the Bioweapon as a Medic melee for TF2 though, it would be great fun to give people AIDS if Valve could make it a bit less annoying to be infected by (more counterplay).

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>>377178685
>You cant track an object moving directly above you, dummy.
If he's jumping over your head he's point blank, what I said earlier still applies.

>Well no shit you see Spy a lot in Highlander, he's mandatory, just like every class
That wasn't my point, it's that he does a lot of work in highlander where as several years back he barely accomplished anything at all.

>Thats a long time, I hope you realize, especially since the combo is such high priority.
Combo doesn't have just the spy to worry about.

>I dunno if youve played lately, but the Sigafoo save got nerfed.
Sigafoo save is for countering ubers, one demo just spamming stickies at a sentry it still serves its purpose. He needs 6 stickies to blow up a wrangled sentry gun and no half decent team is just going to sit there and let him do that.

>Rescue Rangered away? Kill the engie instead.
Again you're just talking as if this is a fucking pub, engineer isn't going to be turtling in a corner next to all his buildings he's going to be moving around and ready to run as soon as he thinks you're going to commit.

>Thats the Medics job.
What the fuck are you talking about? How does medic stop engineer from using wrangler?

>It sort of does, yeah.
It doesn't you just have never played against a good spy who waits for an opportunity instead of running right at you.

>I dont know how much longer I can ignore the fact that you're trying to use Highlander to prove a point.
OH BOY HERE WE GO HIGHLANDER DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST MY ARGUMENT

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>run panic attack
>drop sentry in the usual "good" spot
>then just hide behind corners and blast anyone who walks in before they notice

playing engie is amazing fun when you run stupid meme loadouts

>>377179598
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________just git gud______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

>>377179598
just keep MGEing, shoot for feets, have good ping, have max FOV

>>377179664
In Custom QWTF, they had grenades that spread the disease.

People didn't use it much though because typically a mirv was more effective.

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>>377179598
A I R S T R A F E

>sentry is paper now
>jag is basically required so you can build it up again when it's destroyed
>it's going to be nerfed instead of buffing the other wrenches

I fucking hate it because it's so necessary but valve won't see it that way.

>>377180218
How did the sentry get nerfed? It seems to be as strong as it always has.

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>>377180218
>sentry is paper now

>>377179695
>If he's jumping over your head he's point blank, what I said earlier still applies.
Open up your game and try looking up. Look up until you cant look up any more, because eventually you will hit that point.

>He needs 6 stickies to blow up a wrangled sentry gun and no half decent team is just going to sit there and let him do that.
Oh man, if only Demoman had a team as well.

>How does medic stop engineer from using wrangler?
What the fuck are YOU talking about? Medic stands in front and absorbs the knockback.

>OH BOY HERE WE GO HIGHLANDER DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST MY ARGUMENT
Highlander doesnt count because it's not how competitive is played. As I just said, the majority of people play 6s, and that is the format Valve is supporting with their own ranked system. As of now, Highlander is irrelevant. It's street rules.

>>377180334
sappers used to lower damage now its up

theres also some other stuff that I forget that they nerfed for it, things like the wrangler lowering healing.

Really though doing 200 damage to a stationary object is not that hard.

>>377179664
well we have proper resupply cabinets now as opposed to a pile of health packs, and it could be on a timer until your baboon heart flushes it out of your system
maybe jarate? like those old folk remedies for like urchin stings and stuff?

>>377180069
>take 11 damage while rocket jumping

its almost OP, negates the soldiers one weakness and he can just heal up on a med kit.

Like I can't count the times where I'm almost dead but I still have enough HP to rocket jump onto a medium medkit.

>>377180367
>Look up until you cant look up any more, because eventually you will hit that point.
Then you turn around.

>Oh man, if only Demoman had a team as well.
They have to use uber if they're going to commit to a fight because of defenders advantage and then what I said earlier applies.

>What the fuck are YOU talking about? Medic stands in front and absorbs the knockback.
I was talking about wrangler health but yes medic can block some of the knockback. Still this can be dangerous because if either of you get launched sentry can pin you in place.

>Highlander doesnt count because it's not how competitive is played
Yeah nah go fuck yourself. I'm not going to take anything you say seriously if you're going to discount an entire competitive league to suit your argument.

Reminder that hitting a sapper greatly reduces the damage it deals.

So hit the sapper once and then shotgun the spy.

>>377180423
And it's not that hard to smack a stationary object twice, especially when you're sitting by it the whole time.

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>>377180774
>Reminder that hitting a sapper greatly reduces the damage it deals.

>>377180782
>sitting by your sentry

>>377180862
Well, are you telling me engineers aren't supposed to tend their buildings?

When your buildings get sapped, it's 100% your fault for not paying attention.

I never understood why Spy never got a gun damage bonus. If anyone remembers the old Enforcer, the thing used to actually make Spies scary that were using it, but then got nerfed into the most niche and random piece of garbage I've ever seen.

It's really funny how effective the revolver can be if you can hit the shots, not even Ambassador I'm talking Stock, but Spy is pretty much 2nd to being an almost mechanically broken class only to Pyro.

>>377180981
>paying attention

you have to be in the middle of wrenching your sentry or shooting the spy immediately or that thing will go down.

Seriously sap a sentry and shoot it with a revolver.
It blows up instantly.

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>>377180745
I cant hold it in anymore. I'm sorry your glorified pubs aren't taken seriously. I'm sorry people don't have to pretend to take them seriously anymore either. Highlander was, and always has been, a joke. I don't care if you don't take me seriously because you clearly don't take the game as a whole seriously to begin with.

>>377180992
>I never understood why Spy never got a gun damage bonus

because you can 3 shot a medic, or 2 shot with amby at any time.

>>377180992
>why has the revolver never been buffed?
>the revolver is really effective as is
just answered your own question. its not that its bad, its that spy mains are dumb.

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>>377181112
>it's a fempyro autist
kill yourself

>>377181260
>he doesnt appreciate latex booty
gay

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>starts thread with engineer
>gmod references
>scout mains get mad
>someone asks for death killcam screenshots
>someone posts THAT webm
>/tf2g/ finds us again
>finally loadout pics
guess we can write this off as a successful tf2 thread now

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>>377181383
Job well done.

>>377181362
youre not really any different than a brony or a furry if you find this shit hot

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>>377179346

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>>377181526
>youre not really any different than a brony or a furry if you find a womans butt hot
tell me more

>>377180474
I feel like making it reliant on Jarate would be a bit bad to tie it to an unlock and possibly unintuitive, though I see where you're coming from.

Good point about the resupply cabinets

>>377181605
he's confused because furries and bronies love the pyro for pyrovision and his yooniqueness
still mad that the heavy lost Meat your Match btw

>>377181605
i dont have to
youre a degenerate
its as simple as that

>>377181259
I worded that really stupidly, I more meant to point out the fact that the Revolver is a good weapon, but everyone pretty much only focuses on using the knife despite it getting worse over time to get kills with. Revolver doing a bit more damage or at least better damage fall off would allow to hold you own against better players and stop the almost insane focus people have with going for backstabs only and just ignoring the damn thing or doing the opposite and just using only Ambassador since lets face it, the knife is kind of unreliable so I can't blame some """Pro spies""" only wanting to use it.

>>377181730
Same, but Pyro needs it more. Maybe they can actually fix the Pyro and make him into a skill based class thats both fun to play and fun to fight.
>inb4 that happens and the autistic pyro community cant wm1 anymore, and then complains til it all gets reverted back

>>377181832
at least i dont play highlander

>>377181730
Pyro deserved to win

Sure, new Heavy weapons would be dope, but Pyro is a broken class that needs a rework

>>377181730
>still mad that the heavy lost Meat your Match btw
it's for the better, pyro is the more legitimately underpowered, broken, irritating class.

>>377181101
>it blows up instantly
Then unsap it before it does. RR, short circuit, pomson, wrangler, there's so many weapons to keep your buildings alive at ease. Engineer is probably the easiest class in the game.

I swear to God. Engibabies won't be satisfied until there's an update that makes the sentry indestructible.

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Post sfm kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBVgEdTSLwM

>>377182064
>sfm
m8 that's done in gmod

>>377181656
it'd just be a spare solution, like jarate extinguishing fire it's not unheard of and it'd take a long time to recharge so it's not ez counter

did the heavy/pyro update ever happen yet?

>>377182027
the state of engineer needs to be like this
>Spy vs. Engie is 50/50, with both having equal chance of killing
>Scout vs. Engie: Engie has advantage
>Demo vs. Engie: Demo has advantage

right now the sentry is slightly too strong for an aimbot, the wrangler/rescue ranger/short circuit are also too strong and help Engie be too powerful against the classes hes meant to be countered by.

I'd like to see Engineer get quicker hauling movement, a wrangler offensive buff and a Short Circuit damage buff, in exchange for slightly less Sentry HP/DPS, less wrangler defensive power, and a rescue ranger HP/bolt nerf

>>377182264
nope, the tf2 team still has like 2 people on it

>>377182264
they are still working on it. it will supposedly be the biggest update to date. they're working the jungle update in with it, and theres gonna be a new "choose your own adventure" contract system. I assume more than that as well.

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POST DEATHCAMS

>>377182382
D E V I L I S H

>>377182251
ah right
>>377182264
No, people are thinking it should be out around the time of the usual summer update. It's been nearly 10 months of waiting so far, Valve are saying it's been the second biggest update they've ever developed, and so many people's hopes are riding on it that it may even make or break TF2.

According to Valve in an interview, it's going to have new maps, taunts, contracts, Pyro weapons, cosmetics, achievements, Casual and Comp matchmaking system fixes, bugfixes, and a new SFM like Expiration Date among other things.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmo2JUbpf_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P8Ubkn_a6Y

>>377181913
what the fuck does hl have anything to do with this

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>>377182382

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>>377182382

>>377182329
correction, the tf team has 16 people on it at the moment, and has never had more than 20 people at any one time since launch. Sources: dave riller and robin walker

>>377182064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPKwBdFIuz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3VE8JgmQVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf22A_uOhS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecIHgR-GNLI

>>377182539
If this update does nothing to actually fix Pyro, I'm going to be legitimately mad since they were just acting cute linking to that one site about how broken of a mess Pyro is. I'm just waiting for it, the update comes out and it's just more band aid Pyro weapons that people bitch about being OP because it allows Pyro to do these retarded combos but in reality its about the only way you can even get kills with the class.

>>377182642
>rubberfruit has been dead for 3 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNm0FyTBjIU

>tf2 has had minor bugs for so long that people have grown accustomed to them and ignoring them is second nature
why does this game have to be like this
why do i always see people holding multiple weapons at once
why do i always see floating unusual effects
why do i always see broken killcams with incorrect weapons
why are the backpack icons for decorated weapons still broken
why is going to a resupply cabinet while reloading your gun always leave you with -1 ammo
AND WHY THE FUCK DOES THE GRENADE LAUNCHER STILL HAVE 6 SLOTS, THE FIXED MODEL HAS BEEN OUT FOR YEARS

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>>377182803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1-6ZO7O1Qk

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>>377182839
because fuck you, that's why

>>377171718
>>377171597
>>377171048
I don't know why there are so many of these but I fucking love them.

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>There's no TF2 map builder with Engineer commenting on your every move like GLaDOS does when you make Portal levels.

Defend this.

>>377182839
>why do i always see people holding multiple weapons at once
valve have tried to fix that like 60 times to be fair. valve are always fixing minor/major bugs every month. however I do think they need to hire more workers since 450 people is ridiculously small company for as many projects as Valve engages in
>AND WHY THE FUCK DOES THE GRENADE LAUNCHER STILL HAVE 6 SLOTS, THE FIXED MODEL HAS BEEN OUT FOR YEARS
4 slots are ugly, 6 slots are hot

>>377183338
why would a mechanical engineer be responsible about architecture?

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>>377183338
>not listening to Engineer voice files while mapping in Hammer
Git gud.

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>>377179346

>>377183338
tf2 mapping is running on ancient hammer from the dawn of source

>>377183391
it looks fine you autist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMgrD4uYuIA

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>>377179346
i dont feel like remaking my whole collage. is this salty enough?

>>377182064
>>377182642
I know this really isn't the thread for it, but does anyone have that one Russian Gmod video with the stalkers that go to rob a bank and then max payne shows up and then one of them drops a quarter and they pick it up and let a bunch of memes loose and shit like giant hitler comes
I've been trying to remember it for a while, sometimes a webm of part of it is posted.

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also this

>>377184025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U9JjGseXIs

>Custom maps are fucking dead

I cant find any server that plays them.

I'd rather play custom maps full of bugs and shit instead of pub and comp.

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Are you guys ready to see the original inspiration for the entire Team Fortress series as a whole?

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/FORTRESS.WAD

https://gamespy-archives.quaddicted.com/sites/www.planetfortress.com/interviewsPF/robin.html

>>377183391
i have some news for you, there arent 450 people in the tf2 development team
heck, there are probably enough people that you can count all of them on one hand
the bugs theyve been fixing arent any bugs that existted since launch, its bugs that the recent devs made, and thats why they cant fix them
even some of the bugs that HAVE been fixed, like the improve airblast trace (which stopped pyro from airblasting rockets into random direction) have been fixed by sigsegv, a guy who isnt even working on the game
>4-slot launcher is ugly
its literally the most satisfying gun to use
you can actually see how he puts pills right in the compartment, instead of the glitchy stock reload animation
install tf2 classic and youll see what i mean

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>>377184154
>favorite community server died after meet your match
>later find out that the host died IRL
suffering.png

>>377183739
you are the one who is angry and yelling in all caps, you are the autist. Nobody else cares but you
>>377184154
custom maps are very much alive though, I play them frequently.
Maybe try some MGE servers

>>377184154
>server pops up with nice custom maps
>no one ever uses it
.it quickly dies after a few weeks
ive seen this happen a couple times now

>>377184210
>i have some news for you, there arent 450 people in the tf2 development team
no idiot i said there are 450 people at valve. there are 16 people on the TF team.

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>>377165591
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO yyyhHhhAAAAAA AAArrrraaa

how do i scam in this game

>>377184210
sigsegv has inhuman weaponised autism due to his inability to sleep and it's unfair to compare mere mortals to him

i'm pretty sure only redditors use the term "pubbing" because the actual game IS the public main servers, not the shitty custom servers in the servers section.

>>377184385
go back four years in time and start there

>>377166872
One reason I live tf2. I did the same thing in DS2 but with emotes.

>>377184163
wow lol
tf2 really is a direct descendant of doom

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>>377178043

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>>377171048
Here's one I made

>>377184486
Both of those are pubs
The distinction isn't between Casual and community servers, it's between both of those things and competitive matches done through external matchmaking sites, as well as organized team play

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>>377171048

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>>377171048

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>>377184486
"public server" means "server open to the public" you dumb reddit-obsessed dolt

>>377182293
Less sentry wouldn't do much it dies in 2 shots either way

>>377184486
le leddit boogieman

GOTTA MOVE THAT GEAR UP

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>>377169104
A bunch of shit, I can't remember every individual one. I loved TF2's original intended aesthetic of '60s and '70s spy and war shit, so I used skins that would make the mercs/guns look more tacticool. There was this dope skin for the Tomislav that turned it into a cartoonish M60.

>>377182064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9HUyHmLFzA

Stuff like this makes me want to learn SFM, but, it seems time consuming and challenging.

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>>377179346

>>377185425
is that a pistol mod?
got a link to the dl page?

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>>377179346
I try to stay within artstlye.

>>377185084
sentry currently takes 3 pills to die

>>377185508
dumb question, what shoes is the scout in this video wearing?

>>377185897
your scout is well outside the artstyle; tf2 is set in 1968, but your loadout is straight out of 1985
everything else is ok, your spy loadout in particular is actually nice to look at

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>>377186393
Ah, I suppose you're right.
Well, too late to unspend that metal. Thanks anyways.

>>377185981
2 from the LnL though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw4ce7oDxfI

>shitting bricks

>>377179598
Aim at legs and they fly into the air guarantee without fail.

also imagine your shots like arcs or curves, way easier to land if you know how the lead feels.

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>>377179346
Will do

>pressing right click with quick fix activates the uber until let go
>you can do this at any uber level

there now it's fixed

>>377187578
I feel as if Pyro's Brigade Helm would be better unpainted. Deus specs looking good.Medic looks trustworthy.

>>377187470
>to get gud at soldier
>pretend to play demoman

>>377187761
thats actually very true.
Going from grenade launcher only demoman to soldier is like taking off the limiters.

>>377187597
>making a broken medigun even more broken
boy, you sure fixed it alright.

>>377166090
THAAAT'S. NOT. THE. POINT.

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Does anyone else go through phases or is it just RNG and going with it?

>be scout main normally
>one day just started sucking hard and could not shake it
>switch to stock/stock/crop soldier
>wreck shit nonstop
>continue this shit
>but then shit shit shit
>switch to stock/stock/funslinger eng and fuck shit up and gain 4k healing one match
>balling for days
>suddenly everyone fucks my shit up
>switch to pyro
>repel soldier/demo kritz and save the day
>backburnering all the spies
>hero with the sapper hammer
>splitting up an uber instead of blowing them back
>suddenly cant do shit

>>377166090
redpill me on that SFM

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>>377188084
kinda, I still spend 99% of my time playing soldier so I don't have to worry about counters.

>>377188084
ur just runing into good players of a certain clas and geting soft cuntered, then thinking ur shit, lol

>>377187597
hahahahahahahhahahahaha

>>377188084
i just play whatever the team needs. if my main has an open slot (never happens, there's always 6 snipers) then yeah, i'll usually go for that, but otherwise i just go as whatever.

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>>377188084
You'll feel worse when you get to sniper

Actually, Sniper is all about getting into the mood if you already know how to predict players, because if you are flustered and keep thinking "Oh man how did I miss that revved up brass beast heavy", you'll probably end up missing all your shots from that point.
I'm telling ya mane, it's all psychological shit when you play point n click adventure man

>>377187597
the quick fix is overpowered and stalemate-inducing in small player counts. it doesn't need such a ridiculous buff, it needs a straight up rework so that it's good in pubs and not broken in competitive.

when you have quick fix in small playercounts, you end up with shit like this because defenders heal too quickly to ever be killed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OalWDhYfdeg

>>377188681
point n click adventure man is all about staying relaxed

which is fucking hard when your in pubs

>>377188681
Hunstman is more fun.
It's like a birthday party where theres fifty presents and only 10 of them have something in them

>oh I got a headshot wasn't expecting that
>I bet I can headshot that guy plinking at me, ayy I did
>how the fuck did I headshot him
>"anon how did you headshot me when I was cloaked"

best part is that you can easilly get hits in close range so you get that blood pumping life or death shit every few seconds.

>>377168358
Every fucking time

>>377165591
YIPPIE KEE YAH-- GOTTAMATTOG

>>377166090
WE MUST COLLECT MONEY

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>>377188681
>Try to play sniper seriously
>Miss every shot
>Decide to play sniper at 3am with no sleep
>5 minutes later

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this guy bounces in front of you and slaps your medic

wat do?

>>377188681
I had this thing for like a week where I was awesome at sniping but then said fuck it and went full blown huntsman/pee/bush and did very very well. seeing all those assists on a nice piss feels great.

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>>377189208
COME HERE YOU LITTLE SHIT

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>>377188681
>>377189231
Course id forget my pic and get stuck with a 120 sec repost timer

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>barely hanging onto 50% headshot rate with amby
send help