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>Splatoon >"Looks like shit!" >"There's

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>Splatoon
>"Looks like shit!"
>"There's no content!"
>"It looks like a $20 eShop game"
>"It will sell less than 500k"

>Goes on to sell 4 million, is a huge new Nintendo IP

>ARMS
>"Looks like shit!"
>"There's no content!"
>"It looks like a $20 eShop game"
>"It will sell less than 500k"

>???
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>>377156741
Arms is Wii Sports Boxing
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It will sell well. There's nothing else and people already got the console for Zelda.
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>>377157071
>there's nothing else to play of course it'll sell well

How many releases will Switch have before people stop using this line
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>>377156741
Do not support this game.

Don't fall for this shit, you are better than this.
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>>377157071
This. It's a good thing the Switch has no games. Nintendo's shovelware has no competition.
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>>377156741
wait until its actual release before we can tell
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>>377157247
You know it will become a meme. Even next year people will be saying that.
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ARMS is not the new Splatoon for two simple reasons.

1. The gimmick and style is nowhere near as cool and original.
2. It doesn't have squid lolis.
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>>377157247
Until Switch gets those hot Ubisoft and EA games
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Here's the thing anon:

Multiplayer Shooter is a wildly popular and successful genre.

3D Fighting Game is a dwindling niche genre.
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If its a comfy quality multiplayer game developed by Nintendo. Guaranteed sales. Didn't Splatoon outsell every new Sony IP of the last gen?
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>>377157247
Until Odyssey or Splatoon2 at the least.
I mean, there's a ring of truth to it right now.
There really is nothing on the console that you need it for. Everything's either multiplat or plain not worth it.
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>>377157558
The last gen? No. Last of Us sold more, for example.
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Nintendo manchildren are fucking unbearable
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>>377156741
>Children bought a 3rd person shooter on the WiiU when there was so much shovelware and other bullshit
Wow, who would have thought?
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>>377157247
when it gets it's second game
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You really don't have a choice when all you have are
>mario
>mario spinoff
>mario crossover
>etc

Switch games (aside from zelder) only sell because theres nothing besides (zelder)
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>>377157678
That's 7th gen, not 8th
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>>377157889
We're on the 8th gen. If he's asking about the last gen, then he's referring to the PS3.
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>>377157784
If that's the case why didn't Knack sale?
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>>377156741
I think it won't take off as well as Splatoon for a few reasons, but the biggest one is the base genre simply isn't as popular as the shooter Splatoon was.

Splatoon succeeded because it was a great and somewhat different game in a wildly popular genre. Arms, like it or not, is a fighting game, and fighting games don't have as wide a fanbase as shooters have.

Another factor is a lack of customisation, which Splatoon was big on.

Arms will probably do pretty well comparatively to a new IP. It won't be the juggernaut that Splatoon was.
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>>377157247
When Splatoon 2 comes out. If I walked into a store that sold Switch games the only thing worth buying would be LoZ BotW since Mario Kart 8 isn't a brand new title but something Nintendo put together quickly because they realized nobody wants to play the same single player game for months on end on a brand new system.
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>>377157380
Sure the gimmick is basically an upgraded Wii Boxer but it could work. It might be the fighting game for Nintendo like Splatoon is the shooting game for Nintendo not like there is anything else to in those categories for the Switch coming out.
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>>377156741
>>Splatoon
>>"Looks like shit!"
>>"There's no content!"
>>"It looks like a $20 eShop game"


These are all correct though?
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>everyone's going to ignore the fuck out of ARMS once Splatoon 2 comes out
lmao
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>>377158787
LOL
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>>377158787
k
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>>377158072
Switch is on the 9th gen. Last gen was the 8th.
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>>377158923
I don't think it is.
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And they're still bad. Name a single Nintendo game that didn't sell. Even their absolute worst breaks a million.

>huge new Nintendo IP
Oh please.
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>>377158820
Basically, I'm only going to buy ARMS because there's nothing else to play but once Squidgirls 2 drops its going to be forgotten.
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>>377158820
>>377159085
I could see Nintendo trying to go for the competitive scene with Arms as well as Splatoon 2.
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>>377158389
So this is the what Nintendo fans have to look forward too
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>>377158389
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As a die hard Splatoon fan who disagreed when /v/ said it wouldn't sell I have to agree that ARMS won't sell

Nintendo did a much better job marketing Splatoon than they are doing with ARMS.

They had it at the World Championships, they had commercials, much more media hype.
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>>377159429
They are seriously going to sell Skyrim on the Switch? I thought it was a joke.
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>>377159613
Most popular RPG of this generation. Why would they not.
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>>377159429
I own half that library on my pc already, this is why eshop trash doesn't count. Also

>All those Unreleased and TBA on the list

Just be happy Splatoon 2 is even coming out this year.
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>>377159429
That looks bleak as fuck.
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>>377159708
Because everyone and their mother has played it already.
Also
>Skyrim without mods
Literally worthless.
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>>377159740
E3 is coming. Want to see what the Launch of the Ps4 and Xbox One was?
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What many people fail to realize is that on top of last month's direct, tomorrow's direct and the tournament at e3 is that ARMS launches on the Friday that E3 ends.

This is some really big marketing that will likely have huge payoffs, especially if they televise the tournament like they did for Splatoon back when it launched.

It's at least guaranteed to be remembered enough in the minds of the average gamer so that the game has a chance at success.

Compare this to another recent new Ninty IP in Codename STEAM which had almost no marketing at all and didn't launch after the most popular convention.

That game is now a faint memory only to Nintendo faithfuls whereas the marketing for ARMS will give it a huge push.
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little does op realize that /v/ says this about every game
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>>377159429
Do you have a link to that release chart? Starting to really consider buying this sometime later on this year.
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>>377159575
>World Championships
ARMS has an E3 tournament

>they had commercials
Which ARMS will have

>much more media hype.
2 Directs for ARMS, one tomorrow
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>>377159873
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_Switch_games
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>>377159429
>"Nintendo needs third party!"
>Nintendo gets third party
>"No, those don't couuunt!"
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>>377159708
Not him but
>30 fps
>2 hour battery life in a game that is most enjoyable when you just wonder around and explore
>No mods

I could forgive the first two but no mods is a deal breaker.
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>>377159828
I've never played it.
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>>377159828
Not drones. Bethesda was smart if anything, they noticed how mediocre, worn out stuff sell like hotcakes if drones never experienced it. See Splatoon.
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>>377159829
At that, weren't infamous, the order and driveclub also heavily delayed from launch?
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>>377159970
If you think the casual Skyrim fanbase cares about mods, you're wrong, buckaroo
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I'm curious to know why they are including a Splatoon 2 trailer with the Arms Direct

Are the games going to have a crossover of some kind?

Or maybe they shoved in a Splatoon trailer to get people who don't care about Arms to watch?
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>>377159962
Much thanks
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>>377159829
PC won again baby.
>Wii U launch library is better than Switch
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The best part of smug Nintenturds is when their console gets hacked and everyone gets to play the same games that they paid $600 for.
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Splatoon actually had a number of modes, a steady stream of content, ranked matchmaking, and a bunch of different weapons to use. Arms seems to barebones in comparison and they haven't really shown anything that will make the game seem worth it. I really want to like the game, too.
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>>377160005
Name another 3rd person shooter with the same objective as the main multiplayer mode as Splatoon that does it just as well or better?
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>>377156741
>> op sucks nintendo cock
>> he just wont stoo
>> its all bukake and nintendo with op
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>>377160214
That was not launch. That was upcoming. All the exclusives we knew of.
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>>377159829
It was shit too, but the PS4 did release with a few multiplats that people actually wanted and were new or at least fairly new along with a few more sprinkled throughout the year.
The Switch has like 4 (2 of which are on the wiiU) nice Nintendo games if you're into that and the rest is shovelware.
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>>377159970
>2 hours battery life
What
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>>377160081
The casual Skyrim fanbase already played it six years ago on consoles they own, "buckaroo".
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>>377160450
Except that nobody in the public knew about the Wii U.
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>>377158726
Pokken seems so similar, and was dead on arrival. Even with the ever-popular Pokemon name attached to it.
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>>377160086
>Or maybe they shoved in a Splatoon trailer to get people who don't care about Arms to watch?
Bingo.
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>>377160241
Which game are you looking forward to?
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>>377156741
Never underestimate the autism of nintendo fans, and their hunger for a game. They'll buy anything released on their "console" at this point.
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>>377160487
But the causal Skyrim audience already sold their consoles and will buy it again because it's Skyrim
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>>377160086
They release at around the same time, so it is important that people are aware of both of them. If ARMS gets heavily advertised and Splatoon 2 doesn't, then the success of ARMS could come at the cost of Splatoon 2 sales. Nintendo wants to avoid that no matter what.
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>>377156935
splatoon is a mario party minigame
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>>377159970
At this point next year i eexpect the buttblasted shitposter to say that the Switch got 30 minute of battery
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>>377160509
Right, but you can bet most everyone who did get one also got or is trying to get a switch since the only people who got a wiiu were hardcore nintendo nerds.
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>>377160450
>4
>BotW
>Mk8
>Xenoblade 2
>Mario Odyessy
>Splatoom
>ARMS
At least 6 and no event E3 yet lol
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>>377156741
welcome to /v/, braindead drone
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>>377160086
The Splatoon 2 trailer is the only reason I'm watching it. I hope Nintendo doesn't waste any of the Splatoon 2 competitive resources on ARMS.
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>>377160664
More than half of those aren't even out yet.
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>>377160719
What do you mean by "competitive resources"?
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>>377160320
>Arms seems to barebones in comparison

Alot of the stuff you mentioned in Splatoon wasn't out at launch and took weeks to months of content build up to get to a more formiddable state, even if the general gameplay concept was nailed well.

I'm sure the deep dive that direct mentions will give more info that you're looking for, though even the info we have been given shows the game has good depth to the combat.

>character-specific traits
>map design plays a factor in the fights
>different arms behave differently when thrown and can have varying elements

Just to name a few examples.
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>>377160664
Xenoblade 2 isn't releasing this year. C'mon, man, you know better.
But you're right, I lowballed it. It's still not very impressive.
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>>377160563
>being this delusional
Anyone who still enjoys Skyrim is playing it on PC already. Despite how retarded you think they are, they're not going to play a worse verison of Skyrim.
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>>377160657
I'm a master idort who got a Wii U.

And that mostly mean that people who never got a Wii U are experiencing Mario Kart and Zelda on it.
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>>377160450
>the PS4 did release with a few multiplats that people actually wanted
No it didn't.

The PS4 (Nov, 2013) literally had no games until bloodborne (Mar, 2015).
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And Splatoon died like 3 months after release except for Splatfests.

ARMs looks like a 20 dollar downloadable game Nintendo is pushing for 60, just like Splatoon.

Hint: The only reason Splatoon got so many content packs is that it was sorely fucking lacking in content on launch.
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>>377160516
I actually forgot about that game, maybe with this not being a straight up fighter like that game was but having motion controls and such will be unique enough to survive
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>>377160824
Splat had ranked matchmaking the weekend after launch, and got a new map every couple weeks, and a new gun to play with twice a week. I'm just hoping they announce other things to do in the game that aren't 1v1 and 2v2 fights.
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>>377160870
>saying this when the PS3 version sold gangbusters
Lol
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>>377160940
This
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>>377160664

Where the fuck does everyone and their mom get the idea that Xeno2 will be released this year? There is literally no definitive release date and a single extremely short CINEMATIC trailer with almost no gameplay besides characters running around in fields for a few seconds.
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>>377157278

Why?
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>>377160940
Lmao! Epic meme, shadilay to you and praise kek my /b/rother!
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>>377160981
>it's dead except it's alive, actually I'm lying because the game STILL isn't even dead even after Splatfests ended
>ARMS looks like 20 bucks because I said so lololol
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>>377160831
How do you know Xenoblade 2 won't release this year? They've been working on it for more than 2 years now. If they bothered to give a 2017 number instead of saying TBA, that means that they are pretty confident they can get it out this year. So what makes you doubt it?
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>>377160981
righ right right, it ''DIED'' so hard it sold 5 million.
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>>377156741
>Splatoon
>EA: Sorry but not gonna port COD to your weakass meme console
>Ninty: We're doing our own disount COD then

>BOTW
>CDProject: Fuck off, not gonna port TW3 to your turdy console
>We're doing our own TW3 reject then

>ARMS
>Capcom: Bitch, not gonna port SFV to your last-2-gen tier console
>We're doing our own SF cheap clone then

What's next, /v/?
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ARMS won't sell 4mil, but it won't flop like W101 or TMS or Codename STEAM either. Probably sell as much as a Kirby game or something.
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Splatoon has a great gimmick and excellent controls. However, it is still building on an established and successful genre. Its success is only surprising because Nintendo didn't have much experience in that genre. Arms looks nice and has good character design, but I can't think of a single 3D camera behind the player fighting game that has been good. That worries me more than anything. I will hope for the best, but it is not something I will get hyped up for.
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>>377161026
Back in 2011, when it came out. Not six years later.
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>>377161042
Because Nintendo said it will, in the trailer? If you think it will be delayed you have nothing to stand on to as it is confirmed to be at E3
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>>377160940
It had like two call of dutys during that time and a bunch of other retarded franchises. It had games, they just weren't to your taste.
The casuals had their share of fun and that's why it sold so well. And then we got Bloodborne which is a generation defining game.
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>>377157380

>2. It doesn't have squid lolis.


It has Minmin though.
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>>377161132
>because the game STILL isn't even dead
There are like 1k crazy Japanese playing it, and that's it.
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>>377161173
(you)
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>>377161156
Xenoblade 2 will probably release in Japan this year, but NoA has a long way to go to localize it, and they take for fucking ever.
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>>377161234
>It had games, they just weren't to your taste.

As does the Switch right now.
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>>377161268
you mean Mechanica
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>>377161218
Yeah, because Nintendo never delays games, right? Oh wait.
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>>377160320
>Arms seems to barebones in comparison

You've seen the full game then? Whoa...
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>>377157380
>1. The gimmick and style is nowhere near as cool and original.
If anything, the gimmick is more original.
2. It doesn't have squid lolis.
100% true and it's why this game will only sell half as well as Splatoon ever did.
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>>377161218

Nintendo also said BoTW will release in 2015, look how that turned out. XBX had a release window of 2014 and released in 2015. Do you see the trend? From what they have shown, the game is no where near release. The trailer itself looked bare bones as fuck and not even edited to be hype inducing seeing as how you get no look at any fucking enemies or mechs.
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I'm going to do the same thing I did with Splatoon and wait and see how well Nintendo supports it and how active the community is.

Personally, I liked the look of Splatoon when I first saw it. ARMS looks like a tech demo for a much bigger game.
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>>377158998
>>377158923
I think generations are dead now that the Switch is barely an upgrade over the Wii U and the Scorpio is supposedly just a better Xbox One.
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>>377161304
Still more than Battleborn.
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>>377161526
>ARMS looks like a tech demo for a much bigger game.

That's because you only saw a demo, dingus
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>>377161042
Soraya Saga revealed the release date to be 2017 on Twitter. Also Nintendo listed the game for a 2017 release in their investors report. So it's clear that they at least intend to get the game out this year.
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>>377161042
Soraga Saya said 2017 in a tweet regarding Xenoblade 2 release date.

The composer is already in the works of mixing the music after recording it as of April 7, heavily implying it's already complete.

To be honest, if the world is scaled back to fulfill a narrative focus, i could see it being done since it has been 2 years since Japanese release of XCX and the trailer we've seen doesn't look as heavily detailed graphically as XCX.
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>>377160719
They obviously will and have already done so. It's had two tournaments nd is about to have it's third.
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>Splatoon comes out
>is overhyped, has no content, is boring
>multiplayer is terrible
>end up hating it more than Gone Home

>mfw Arms is turning out to be the exact same
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>>377161113
I'm not joking inFamous and Killzone were both subpar and Knack was a joke.

>>377161234
>it had all these [Cross-Gen Multiplats]
Yeah, that's what people wanted. Fact: It had no games until Bloodborne.

Sad.

>which is a generation defining game
This is even more pathetic.
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>>377161628
>this is soraya saga
Source?
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>>377161618
And they've done a shitty job at making it look like a full game in any of their opportunities to showcase it.
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>>377159829
>Star Citizen
>Upcoming PC Exclusive

>'Untitled The Legend of Zelda Game'
>Upcoming Wii U Exclusive

if only 2013 /v/ knew
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>>377161173
>EA
>COD

(you)
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>>377161654
What? It's more detailed than X, and they've been working on it alongside X. Takahashi has said they've put a lot more effort into this than X.
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>>377161731
No game has ever reached Bloodborne's level of Kino. It's literally the Citizen Kane of videogames.
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>>377161618
...You missed my point entirely. It looks barebones as hell, like it is more of a proof of concept then a actual game.

This isn't the first time Nintendo has released shit early in a console's life that felt more like it was a tool for the developer to test new hardware then to be a new game (Yoshi's Touch and Go comes to mind).
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>>377161757
This, I honestly thought I was watching some 20 dollar game eshop game.
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>>377158923
The Switch is an 8th gen console.
Basically its to the Wii U what the pro and Scorpio are to the Ps4 and Bone
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Played it at PAX. Fun as fuck and curving your punches is the tightest shit.

Getting it day 1. If Nintendo pushes it half as hard as they did Splatoon it'll be their next big hit
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>>377156741
I have some interest in ARMS, but it will probably end up being like Pokken. Sells well, but discussion is nonexistent. Even /vp/ couldn't keep its general alive and they have a general for fucking pokemon shuffle.
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>>377161757
Ah, so you missed all the info we got and simply continue spouting retardation.

Classical
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>>377161748
I got it off of Giant Bomb. Here's another one.
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>>377161865
>No game has ever reached Bloodborne's level of Kino. It's literally the Citizen Kane of videogames.
Ah, because it has the cinematic 24fps.

I get it.
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>>377161234
>And then we got Bloodborne which is a generation defining game.
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>>377161156
Anon, need I remind you BotW was supposed to come out in 2015?
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>>377161943
What info? The two new characters, 2v2 mode, and handful of maps?
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>>377161838
>they've been working on it alongside X.
Source? I thought that XCX was there project to experiment with HD and that they would go with a more narrative focus for their next game but I didn't read anything about Xenoblade 2 being made alongside it.
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>>377162002

I hope you don't say this while praising Zelda and it's disgusting 30 FPS.
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>>377162002
You really shouldn't be banging on about framerates when the switch can barely keep up 25fps on BoTW.
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>>377156741
No.. NO
DELETE THIS I BEG YOU DON'T EXPOSE US SONY BROS!
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>>377162181
>30 fps is disgusting
>Last Guardians SUB-20fps is art
I see.
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>>377161173
>>We're doing our own TW3 reject then
BOTW is more fun than TW3 though. TW3 isn't even the best Witcher.
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>>377156741
I dunno I loved Splatoon basically from the start, the concept was one that I liked and I was excited to see Nintendo take on such a new genre for them.

ARMS looks so fucking boring holy shit have they SEEN the pace of other fighting games? Or their OWN "fighting games?"
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>>377157591
Do you even have a switch?
Cause I have plenty to plat
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>>377157247
Depends on what they announce at E3. Since we don't know anything past Odyssey, that's probably going to be the end of it.
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>>377162002
You stupid nigger
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>>377162240

Not him, but Last guardian is garbage as well. If a game can't reach 60 FPS in this day and age, it's not a game. It's a cinematic experience.
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>>377162193
You really shouldn't be banging on about framerates when the PS4 can barely keep up 15fps on TLG.
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>>377162112
training mode, weapon unlocks
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>>377161173
>Sorry but not gonna port COD to your weakass meme console
CoD is on the Wii U though. EA just didn't support it with the DLC and updates of the other versions.
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>>377162332
Oof, did I hit a sore spot?
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>>377156741
... Nintendo games so good, you spend your time shitposting.
That's really all that needs to be said, troll.
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>>377162289
>Come into Splatoon/ARMS thread
>harp on about Bloodborne (in a Splatoon/ARMS thread)
>get called out
>n-nigger
Feels good man.
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>>377162073
Yeah that's true. But Zelda games always get delayed. And there was an entirely different team of people working on it. I think that a delay is possible, but the people claiming it is an absolute certainty are ridiculous.
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>>377161408
You can count their delayed games on your hands.
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>>377157380
It does have waifus.
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>>377162367
Woah, the most barebones game features!
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>>377162401
>EA
>COD
(you)
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>>377162517
I must have a lot of hands, then. It'd be easier to count the games Nintendo didn't delay.
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>>377162327
>If a game can't reach 60 FPS in this day and age, it's not a game. It's a cinematic experience.
RIP Bloodborne
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>BotW
>ARMS
>MK8D
>Spla2n
>Xenoblade 2
>SM Odyssey
>FE Warriors

It's over. Nintendo won.
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>>377162550
I don't have the time to remember who makes these shovelware games.
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>>377162497
Yeah, I agree the people who adamantly believe it will be delayed are annoying.
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>>377161983
Cute
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>>377162571
So why don't you list the games that have been delayed then.
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I'll be getting a Switch when Spla2 comes out.

I'll be skipping Arms.
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>>377162668
>no Kirby game
Why HAL? What did I do to deserve this?
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>>377162679
Did we hit an impasse where AAA games are now shovelware games or are you just always going to be a narcissist?
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>>377162638

Well, I should clarify that I'm not the anon you were arguing with. I think almost all console games are cinematic sludge, and if a game can't run at 60 FPS and have a solid singleplayer, it'll never be a good game.
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>>377162724
Why, because it's true? If it was coming out this year, they would've given us more than the year. The month at least.
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>>377162537
wow, the most barebones of shitpost
>muh 20% demo

Wanna bet a bag of dicks and crow, anon?
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>>377162790
busy making actual $20 eshop games
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>>377162790
Wait for E3. Surprise announcement of Kirby and Yoshi: Wave Rider
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>>377162806
AAA games have always been the modern equivalent to shovelware.
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>>377162929
The problem with that statement being that AAA games have been around since the beginning of console gaming.

When did you join the hobby, 7th gen?
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>>377163039
You have no idea what AAA games are do you.
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>>377162927
>not saving that teamup for Good-Feel's Yarn Kirby and Woolly Yoshi co-op platformer
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>>377162835
Come back when they show content.
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>>377163108
Well he's not wrong saying that AAA are somewhat recent.

AAA is a term that date back from the late 90's. In the 80's and early 90's AAA didnt really happen. It started with Nintendo games like Super Mario World really.
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>>377156741
People really shitted on splatoon?

Damn, You guys really are autistic.
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>>377163108
Fifa, Madden NBA2k and even CoD aren't unfun experiences like shovelware if you want to compare modern AAA games to shovelware games like Marvel Contest of Champions and the likes.

You can at least get some form of entertainment from the aforementioned games.

Quit being a cynicl and realize what the tern shivelware means rather then twisting it to mean "what i don't like".
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>>377162887
Kek
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>>377163496
>Fifa
>aren't unfun experiences like shovelware
Yes, it is. I imagine Madden and NBA can't be much better as far as gameplay goes.
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>>377163387
It's no surprise; /v/ shits on anything Nintendo-based.
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>>377158186
cause there was other shit to play, like killzone, and multiplats.

switch is stuck with indies and wii u multiplats, which are good, obviously, they're selling, but the system is still missing a real blockbuster to ensure it's survival through the year, up to when scorpio comes out, when they're banking on mario vs whatever else is comin' out.
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>>377163714
Speaking from experience, they're not.
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>>377158389
I really appreciate the droopy eye on that console in the background.
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>>377163818
>>377163387

It's more so that Splatoon is a console shooter. That's why I hate it. And no, no matter what argument you try and pull out, I will never like the gamepad. A shooter HAS to have keyboard and mouse compatibility, no argument allowed. if it doesn't, it goes right in the trash.
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>>377163151
dicks and crows?

Dicks and crow, anon?

Not confident enough for some dicks and crows?

Pathetic mongoloid trash
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ARMS will probably be neat. And it looks like fun. But I really do not see it having the mass appeal of Splatoon.
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>>377163948
B-but swinging a brick around is just as good!
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>>377163948
That's just because you're used to that setup though. Nothing's preventing another setup from working just as good.
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>>377159967
5+ year old games
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>>377164167

no anon, I've played Splatoon, and the controller is way too restrictive. Not enough freedom, and gyro aiming is absolute garbage compared to a mouse.

Not that this made the game challenging, sadly. I vomited from how easy the game was.
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>>377163971
xD upboated!
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>>377164373
How is it garbage?
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>>377163827
>Killzone

That shit was litterally dead two weeks after it came out.
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>>377163948
It doesn't really matter when all of the other players are also handicapped. The gyro controls are uncomfortable and shitty though, but a necessary evil to not get raped online
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>>377164373
I will absolutely fight you on this. Gyro aiming is perfect. What about it felt restrictive when you can aim in any direction?
>easy game
You better not have stopped at A rank.
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>>377164382
Still no promise anon ?

I guess your shitposting is exposed.
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>>377162835
Pretty sad you won't bet crows and dicks. Shows how confident in your opinion you are.
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>>377164741
I'm the one askign the retard for the dicks and crows from the shitposter.

But sure. Arms gonna sell a few millions easily, or i'll eat a bag of dicks and crows.

See, it's quite easy when you got confidence in yourself, unlike the shitposting mongoloid>>377164382
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>>377164482
>>377164638

I'll take one issue I had: tweaking the sensitivity was just ass, and at any given time the camera was constantly jittery, and I had to reset it every 5 seconds because the camera was also retarded. I just opted to beat the whole singleplayer with twin sticks. The fact that I didn't die even once to the final boss is just pathetic, and I trashed the entire game shortly after that. I didn't even care about the online, and I'm not gonna play a game that needs online to be good. I demand a good singleplayer first, I will not tolerate anything else.

>>377164582

That's why shooters should never be allowed on consoles. Either KBM or pass.
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Cannot wait for ARMS, I actually have friends and can see myself getting my moneys worth thanks to local multiplayer. I wouldn't be buying this to play online on Nintendo's shithouse p2p online service from 2007 though, fuck that.
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>>377156935
I actually enjoyed that
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>>377164938
>m-muh keyboard only
>what? no, multiplayer is for tryhards!
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>>377164938
Okay, so you were just spouting hot garbage when you said the game was easy.

Are you the kind of person who flails around when using motion controls? Because the camera shouldn't be flying around otherwise.
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>>377164938
I agree with your sentiment on single-player in concept but you miss out on some good games that way.

But yeah, Splatoon's single-player sucked.
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>>377156741
Just because nintenbabies buy a baby game doesn't mean it's good. ARMS and Splatoon are both trash.
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>>377161202
Virtual On and the Gundam Versus games
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Arms = Mortal Kombat
Gundam Versus = Guilty Gear
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>>377164938
>I demand a good singleplayer first, I will not tolerate anything else.
>buys multiplayer game
>"i demand a good singleplayer first
you're a fucking retard
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>>377165491
So they're both trash?
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>>377165491
Virtual On = Street Fighter?
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>>377165238
>>377165256

If you're not gonna put effort into your singleplayer game, don't make a game period. Or don't make singleplayer at least. And don't you dare charge 60 bucks. Why oh why am I paying for someone's half-assed attempt at a terrible singleplayer?

>>377165272

I'm sorry anon, but there is no such thing as a good game that's heavily reliant on multiplayer. even games like Tf2 or DOTA2 have devolved into F2P/BR cesspools that only prove my point in that a singleplayer helps make a game more timeless, whereas strictly multiplayer only games become dated trash.

As for the gyro controls, if they were so good, why wasn't the singleplayer even a tiny bit challenging? I should not have been able to seamlessly wipe the floor with DJ octavio using dual stick controls. Who the hell would defend that as good game design?

>>377165506

>buys multiplayer game that has a singleplayer advertised
>singleplayer is ass and is nothing more than a glorified tutorial

Really grinding my garlic there.
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>>377159429
>6(six) exclusives
>SF2: We want more money edition
>Wii Sport Boxing 2
>Some shitty puzzle game
N-Nintendo won!
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>>377163948
>It's more so that Splatoon is a console shooter. That's why I hate it.
So, you're a shallow and dumb memer.who doesn't actually like video games.

Got it.
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>>377165680

I love video games anon. I just hate esports and cinematic experiences, and casual games. Sadly, that's all modern day consoles have to offer.
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>>377156741
Arms and Zelda are the reasons I bought a Switch
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>>377165632
Why are you so elitist about controls when you don't even play games where a mouse is necessary to complete?
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>>377156741
>game looks like low budget shit
>average gameplay
>is the only new game in a 6 month span so all the millions of tards who bought the console feel compelled to buy it
>game sells millions and people pretend it has anything to do with the game and not with the general draught of games on the respective platform
Every new Nintendo IP ever
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>>377165632
So you called the game easy after you cleared what's basically the tutorial.

No, that's fine. That's a perfect place to stop to judge a game. No, let's not actually play the multiplayer, the bigger part of the game, to judge its quality.
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>>377165879

>Why are you so elitist about controls
Because I'm Mr. Paying Customer, that's why. If I demand that you let me use a flight control stick in a Mario game, you serve that up for me on a silver platter and thank me for the opportunity to serve me. After all, I am paying several hundred dollars for not only your console, but your game, your DLC, and your online subscriptions. The very least you could do is treat me properly, instead of acting like I'm some sort of corporate slave who has to bend over for every moneygrubbing suit who's too lazy to make a good controller or a good game.
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>>377165989
It's called the Nintenbro-desperation-effectâ„¢
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Place your bets laddies. How much will it sell by the time the Switch passes the Wii U's install base next year?

I says 2.5m
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>>377165989
>i-it's not ACTUALLY good
>people just got tricked into thinking it is!!!111
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>>377166056
You sound like an insufferable faggot.
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>>377166004

>let's not actually play the multiplayer, the bigger part of the game, to judge its quality.
1. I did go into the multiplayer. Notice in my post when I said "I trashed it SHORTLY after finishing the singleplayer." That should've told you that I briefly expanded into it, but the multiplayer is also braindead, and I got faced up against literal children who I pretty much solo'd using a supposedly inferior control scheme. Why should I have to grind in scrubland just to hope that maybe someone talented will face me in S rank? That's busywork and that's not fun.

2. Any game where the bigger part is in the multiplayer is trash by default. If I want Call of Duty, I'll go play COD. Shameful that Nintendo has fallen for the esport meme.
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>>377158389
DELT THIS!! We have MINECRAFT !!
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>>377166264

And what would be a better alternative? Rolling over and lapping up any company's diarhhea because I was told that it was good? i guess I should go buy a Ps4 and play Uncharted on end, because it had a big marketing budget and sold 8 million copies. Hey, 8 million people can't be wrong, right?
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>>377166264
Says the guy arguing in the contrarian IP thread.
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>>377166268
>this game is so easy i'm going 40-2 against the absolute lowest ladder players
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>>377157247
Sony fags are trying to make this a thing for the Switch after all the shit PS4 deservedly got for literally not having any games for it's first year or so.

Sucks for them though, since it'll never actually catch on.
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>>377166268
If you didn't enjoy the game and dropped it when you were still in scrub territory, that's fine. That's your call.

But you don't get to call this game easy and casual when you dipped into it even less than an actual casual player would have.
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>>377166240
He's right you know, I'm only buying it to pass the time till Splatoon 2 comes out. You can only play LoZ BotW for so long before you get burned out.
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>>377166438
>>377166523

>you should play online for 50 hours until you MIGHT run into somebody who's over the age of 12

why don't you just ask me to play on a casual server in TF2 until I run into someone who isn't a gibus wearing friendly heavy?
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>>377165673
22 exclusives actually.
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>>377166693
Yes, you should.
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>>377156741
Splatoon IS shit, has fuckall content, DOES look like an eShop game - none of that is changed by the fact that 1.5 million little Nintentoddlers in Japan got their mummies and daddies to buy the game for them.

ARMS is worse in every respect - it has no SP, it is wagglan shit, and looks like Punch Out in 3D for children. That ALSO isn't going to change even if some more drones buy the shit Nintendo advertises to them.
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>>377165989
Well when you own all the successful IPs what do you expect?
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>>377159429
Is this the Nintendo Switch release chart or someone's Steam library? I own a lot of those titles already.
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>>377166264
>You sound like an insufferable faggot
As is tradition for all mustard race faggots.
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>>377166818

No, I don't think so. it is the exact same thing as grinding in an MMO until you're high enough level to play a quest that isn't the same fetch quests you've been doing for the past 100 hours.

This probably could've been avoided if the online scene wasn't restrictive and full of terrible design choices, like the whole map rotation deal. But that's to be expected of a game suffering console limitations, but it's not an excuse.
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>>377165138
Here's a secret, anon:
everybody did
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>>377167112
You should have been able to get S+ without a single loss if the game is so easy.
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>>377167098

>if you have high standards, then you're a faggot

Whoa anon, I didn't know. My bad, I'll be sure to roll over and lower my standards in the future.
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>>377166268
>calls a game easy
>gets shit on by six year olds
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>>377165632
>why am I paying for
You're not, because you don't actually own the game. You're a shitposting autist making shit up.
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>>377167235

I shouldn't be able to get S+ so easily. That's the problem. Why are children playing MY video game in the first place?
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>>377167373
You didn't get S+ so easily, though.
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>>377167373
You can't get to S+ easily though. The skill gap between high S and low S is bigger than the difference between low S and C-.
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>>377167276
>I have high standards

Oh hoho, wew lad
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>>377167464
He didn't get S+ at all. Stop replying to bait.
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>>377167034
Nintendo want the indie market. A lot of people love the portability of the Switch for stuff like Isaac.
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>>377157698
>children still post normie memes
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>>377167367

>gets shit on by six year olds
Who are you quoting?

>>377167464
>>377167518
>>377167528
>>377167624

Well, I'm afraid I never saw these supposed "skilled players" and I don't want to grind just to be disappointed by the lack of them.

You guys ARE the same people who said that Metroid: Fed Force and Color splash were must-have games of the year, so forgive me if I don't believe you when you claim that high skill players exist in this game.
>>
How's that bag of dicks and crows treatin' ya, sonygs?
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>>377167796
No one ever said Fed Force and Color Splash were must-haves, the fuck are you on about?
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>>377167000
>successful
Nintendo owns all the childhood nostalgia IPs. You do realize even the best selling zelda game of all times sold less than Uncharted? You do realize majority of Nintendo IPs sell below average compared to any other triple-A games?
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>>377167929

>No one ever said Fed Force and Color Splash were must-haves,
Why must you turn my office into a den of lies?

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/377126983
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>>377164938
>at any given time the camera was constantly jittery
I pity you and all. But please don't blame the game for your parkinson's disease.
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>>377168050
t. deluded sony fanboy
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>>377167000
>successful
What in terms of sales? Compared to who? Nintendo games sell nowhere near as much as the REALLY successful IPs out there. Kinda a gives considering the only widely spread nintendo hardware is the 3ds.
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>>377168112
Cody is a faggot and hes the only one that defends garbage like FF and CS.
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>>377168168

I blame the game for having a horrible control scheme.
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>>377167929
Yes, they did. SF0 too. And Devil's Turd. And even Kowashitai sometimes.
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>>377167000
2 CoD games sell more than the entirety of all zelda games lifetime sales combined.
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>>377168246

>it doesn't count for reasons that are completely made up
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>>377167796
>>377168112
>>377168259
>>377168050
>>377168246
(You) samefags
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>>377168112
>>377168259
They couldn't have said this seriously. Surely.
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>>377168223
you can literally pull up the numbers yourself right now, they're no secret. Uncharted is garbage. The only reason i brought it up is that people WIDELY overestimate the sales of games like Zelda.
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>>377168370
That very last one wasn't meant to be quoted.
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>>377168372
Oh newfriend, you have no idea. Up until Lost World got announced to PC, drones swore it was a great platformer. ZombiU too, the savior of the survival horror genre.
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I know this thread is all about shitting on the switch but I'm pretty okay with the games I've got so far and they'll at least tide me over until ARMS/Spla2n launch, even if they show fucking nothing new at e3 or treehouse.
>Mario Kart 8 DX
>Puyo Tetris
>BoI Afterbirth+
>Shovel Knight
>Blaster Master 0
>Voez
>Snipperclips
>Tumbleseed
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>LALALA UR ALL THE SAME PERSON I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA EVERYBODY LOVES AND AGREES WITH ME
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>>377168496

It's okay for you to like those games on the Switch, but you will be called out for being a shitposter if you dare to imply that the multiplats on your list are somehow Nintendo exclusive, or that they're somehow "better" on the Switch. That's bias and is not allowed here.
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>>377168223
best selling zelda sold less than UC4 and that's on the Wii which has twice the userbase
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>>377156741
I don't want Arms to be big, but I doubted Splatoon would pick up so I'm expecting to be wrong again.
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>>377168771
I definitely didnt say any of that but thanks
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>>377165989
>Meanwhile the PS4 and its videogames to console ratio

Keep crying big baby
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>>377157247
When it finally gets a worthwhile exclusive.
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>>377168226
>What in terms of sales?

In terms of profit, you know the main thing that has to with the company getting money.
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>>377169046
Why does the ps4 have such a fucking abysmal attach rate
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>>377167373
>Buy a console literally made for children
>WHY ARE CHILDREN PLAYING MY GAME
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>>377168926

Every time someone makes a post like yours, that's what always follows.

>dude you don't get it, Shovel Knight is a retro game, so it belongs to Nintendo! it just doesn;t "feeel" right on other systems

It makes me vomit because it's arguing based on feelings and emotions instead of some kind of factual basis. We're not on tumblr, that's not welcome here.

>>377169161

>it's for children, therefore it's completely immune to criticism
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>>377165989

>people buy game
>lots of people enjoying it and having fun

Sorry, but not everyone is into the story first gameplay later agenda Sony and others have been pushing with their games.
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>>377169159
>SHIT DUDE XBONE IS THE NEW HITLER
>WTF I'M A SONYMISSILE NOW
>cue two year drought
That's how. Not to say Nintendo's attachment ratio isn't complete bullshit based on how its audience will only buy from them no matter how bad it gets and outright ignore quality games without their brand, but yeah.
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>>377169159
The PS4 is the fidget spinner of its generation.
Literally a "must own" marketed system, used mainly for watching and playing movies
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>>377167776
Shit like this is why I never look at YouTube comments, I just end up getting angry.
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>>377159036
Startropics
Chibi Robo
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>>377169373
>will only buy from them no matter how bad it gets and outright ignore quality games without their brand

False, its just you being ignorant
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>>377168318
>cherry pick one IP vs another

What did you honestly think you were accomplishing?
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>>377168771
Puyo Puyo Tetris on Switch is definitely the best version due to the console shipping with 2 controllers from the start as well as coming with keychains that the PS4 version didn't have.
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>>377169585
Wii U had both Tekken and the best modern kart racer on launch. You proceeded to ignore them and keep masturbating to what turned out to be the next mediocre Smash and Mario Kart. But wait, there's a Pokemon Tekken in the making? Well shit, now it matters.
>>
>>377168779
Every non bundle Sony IP in this current gen is selling less than 3 million
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>>377169585
>>377169850
Oh yeah, it also only took Hyrule Warriors for you to go collectively
>wtf I love musou now
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>>377169628
What is this the 90's? Tetris should not be a selling point for a brand new console in this day and age.
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>>377169265
I mean you are complaining about majority of the player base being underage when it's a console made for children. They even have an app that will shut down the Switch when parents want their kids to stop playing.Nintendo doesn't even make challenging games anymore.
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>>377170003

Not to mention it's not worth being a 60 dollar game.
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>>377168771
Blaster Master Zero is Nintendo exclusive.
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>>377170251

That's why I'm puzzled when people say that Splatoon is this amazing masterpiece, when it isn't.
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>>377170365
The game looks like shit, if I wanted a metroidvania game I would just go buy Hollow Knight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6hPZ_5cSbc
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>>377170364
It's not 60 dollars
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>>377170364
I think its like 20 bucks but I haven't been on my switch in awhile so I might be wrong.
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>>377170839
Just pointing out, no need to be so agressive.
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>>377170884
>>377170945

I forgot, most people here live in america, where prices aren't inflated to hell and back. I hate australia so much.
>>
If the ARMS demo is anything like Splatoon's it might convince a purchase from me.
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>>377170003
Way to get butthurt and read 'definitive version of a game' as 'selling point of a console.'
>>377170364
It's not a 60 dollar game in the first place.
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>>377171449

But it's not the definitive version, nor is it a selling point. It's perverted with disgusting anime trash.
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>>377156741
But pre-release people thought Splatoon looked good?

Don't you remember the non-stop
>SEE NINTENDO, THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO MAKE NEW IPS

Other points were true though.

Arms looks like shit, the only reason it'll sell at all is because the Switch library is fucking abysmal
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>>377171731

>Arms looks like shit, the only reason it'll sell at all is because the Switch library is fucking abysmal

Or because it's getting positive feedback from those who played it before and are now interested because it looks fun to play.
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>>377171007
What is minimum wage in Australia, even?
Is there some sort of equivalent to federal minimum wage?
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>>377163039
Fucking what
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>>377172462

>marketers and shills giving positive feedback

where have I seen that before?
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>>377172662

Nothing will change your opinion. Even if the game is good and people are enjoying it, you'll continue to shitpost.
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>>377172825

All I'm saying is that you're automatically wrong if you think that positive feedback and journalist praise means anything.
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>>377157247
doesn't matter since bayo 2, splatoon, w101, dkctf, smash and mk8 still don't count as games on /v/
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>>377172947

All I'm saying is most of the people who played the demo back in the Switch event weren't shills and journos.
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>>377173108

Well, in all fairness, esports and cinematic experiences shouldn't count as games. You always get angry when Ps4 owners list FIFA or Uncharted.
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>>377173169

>All I'm saying is most of the people who played the demo back in the Switch event weren't shills and journos.
I'm gonna need citation on that. When it comes to corrupt corporates and their unending greed, they are guilty until proven innocent.
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>>377173275

Oh boy, you must be one of those "le capitalists are evul!" scum.
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>>377173185
Fifa's no exclusive and people count uncharted, it's just a garbage series so it's not allowed under "good games" lists

also I hope you aren't comparing a cinematic action game to a handholding narrative
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>>377173275
>citation
That's fucking impossible unless you want to start interviewing every Switch owner on the planet
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>>377173461
>a cinematic action game to a handholding narrative
What's the difference?
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>>377169373
>>377169850
>>377169940
Yeah, because you're just going to ignore how Bayonetta 1 and 2 on WiiU sold better than the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions or Rayman Legends sold better than the PS3 and xbox360 versions?
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>>377173489
>>377173373

So essentially, they're all shills and paid advertises. You forget that the same people shilled for Fed Force and Color Splash, and many of Nintendo's other shovelware displays. i'm not so easily fooled by advertisers.

>>377173461

>Fifa's no exclusive and people count uncharted, it's just a garbage series so it's not allowed under "good games" lists
So why are movie games like Bayonetta and Xenoblade allowed?
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>>377173652
Bayo barely did any better. Rayman had no competition and had the grace of being known as an exclusive before. Good thing they unfucked the game though, the gimmick was so bad.
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>>377173780
Oh god, it's fucking ACfag.
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>>377156741
I never felt this way about Splatoon, only arms.
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>>377173780
>>377173875
Abandon the thread, it's over.
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>>377173834
>Bayo barely did any better
>Had a better attachment rate than Ps3 and XBox360 combined
>Doesn't understand the bullshit Ubisoft pulled with legends on the WiiU and how it still got more support

Yes, move more goals and make more excuses as to why you're still wrong in your statement.
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>>377173875
>Oh god, it's fucking ACfag.

Why are you in every single Nintendo thread? Stop trying to force the next Barneyfag
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>Splatoon sold 4 million
Got a source? Pretty sure it didnt sell more than the console it was on.
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>>377173875
>>377174037

>Acfag

What is this funky fresh new meme?
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>>377174119
The "bullshit" kept Legends from dying by the moronic gamepad gimmick. If by more support you mean that, you clearly don't care about the Rayman games. And no shit a Nintendo backed exclusive sold, Bayo was infamous for flopping. Beating PS3 and 360 is not a feat, especially when the first game was bundled with 2.
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>>377174183
>new

what did he mean by this?
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>>377174314
>new
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Arms isn't the new Splatoon because it reeks of Nintendo thinking it'll be the next Splatoon. They're hyping it up more than they ever did Splatoon before release
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>>377174183
Maybe stop being one then you retard.
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>>377160241
$600 for a Switch?

You're not supposed to support the scalpers, anon
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>>377174412
>The "bullshit" kept Legends from dying by the moronic gamepad gimmick.

What does delaying a finished game for 7 months to release alongside Xbox version, becuase of Microsoft stupid policy, has to do with buzzwords? What the fuck are you even talking about?
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>>377174843
What, you think they had the game ready to go with a press button to skip gimmick for every level? It was built on Murphy. The gamepad was gonna be mandatory.
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>>377157247

Let's be honest, shits been pretty dry since launch but July and onward is looking muuuch better. I got MK8 but I've barely played it as I had it for Wii U. Zelda and Fast RMX are the only two games I have put serious time into and I'm not hyped at all for ARMS. Probably won't get it till much later after price goes down unless it ends up everyone says its amazing.
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>>377158726

Injustice 2 is coming and Street Fighter.
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>>377174270
It outsold every Sony IP but Uncharted 4.
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>>377156741
ARMS is the "same" as Splatoon in the same way Switch is the "same" as Wii U
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>>377175547

Unfortunately, that makes Splatoon a bad game since, according to you, "popular things are bad because normies have no taste." At least that's what you said about Uncharted.
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>>377175606
So you're saying it's mostly the same, but sometimes even worse?
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>>377157247
LITERALLY the same shit said when the 3DS first came out.
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>>377175664
>according to you

I'm not whoever the fuck you think I am. Uncharted got sales because it was a bundle game like Wii sports
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>>377156741
>splatoon
>looks like shit
Your filthy mongrel mother looks like shit you waste of human DNA.
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>>377175913

>when Wii sports sold alot because of being in a bundle, that means it's a fantastic game and nintendo was thinking of the customer's best interests
>but when Uncharted does it, that makes it yucky and bad and sony is greedy for doing it

Very interesting anon. Please, do tell me more.
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>>377176038
Who are you quoting?
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>>377176156

I'm quoting the posts where the double standards exist.
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>>377175801
3DS got games eventually. Ah, to recall the absolute retardation during that time, when drones proved to be just as cancerous as nyggers. How many times must I've read that 3D was as much of an evolution as colored TV, only to everyone collectively drop the gimmick.
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>>377174270
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/wiiu.html

4.8m shipped to retailers, so probably over 4.5m sold.

>Pretty sure it didnt sell more than the console it was on.
...what?
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>>377176303

Seriously who were you quoting?
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>>377176465

Question: do you believe that multiplat games count towards a game's library, but only when it comes to a nintendo system? If so, I was quoting you.
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>>377174480
>They're hyping it up more than they ever did Splatoon before release
If they're confident enough to advertise it even more before release, that could be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Splatoon, however, was helped by being a $40 game in Japan and EU. I suspect ARMS will be full-priced in all regions.
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>>377176451
They also said the same thing about the DS
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>>377176827
At least the second screen served a purpose for a (very) few games. 3D had none and nobody liked it.
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>>377176570

Can someone explain to me what this guy is sperging about?
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>>377172546
>LOL IM SO /V/IPSTER
Gaming actually started with the NES.
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>>377176972

Okay, you won't even answer a basic question, so I have to assume you're trolling.
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>>377176914
It's a good thing it could play games.
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>>377176972
It's ACfag, he's legit mentally ill.
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>>377177163

Isn't he that weirdo who thinks that gameplay is the most important part of a game?
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>>377177042
Fucking what
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>>377177163
>ACfag
Damn. I came back after 2 years of being gone and that idiot is still around?
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>>377177085
>who are you quoting?
>NEW TOPIC, QUESTION, HURR CONSOLE WAR DURR
>wtf...
>DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION TROLL
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>>377176827
Is that really a Unix timestamp of 12 Aug 2004?
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>>377156741
People get tired of wagglan. It'll be a hit with little kids, until they break their Switch, and that's that.
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>>377177528

>talk about how Splatoon is the best game ever because it outsold more than every sony IP
>someone brings up how Uncharted still outsold it
>"MUH BUNDLES AND ATTACH RATE"

I dont even know what you're implying now. A sony wojak, really?
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>>377166193
3 mil, 4.5 to 5 million sales lifetime
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>>377177515
Hang around a bit more, I'm sure he'll post his GOTY list soon.
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>>377177606
Motion controls are optional though.
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>>377177670
He usually saves those for GOTY related threads, this is his current favorite (filename and all) all purpose bait image. I've started collecting his work, its simply art.
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>>377156741
so what you're saying is that ARMS will be shit with no content
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>>377177857

What's that image trying to imply?
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>>377177796
And optimal.
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>>377177976
Zelda is bad because many journalists gave it a 10/10.
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>>377177976
He literally thinks all game journalists are colluding with one another and are subhumans.
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This is saddest case of shilling I have ever seen.

I've got a bad feeling about ARMS and this is coming from a guy that liked Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.
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>>377177642
Literally none of this happened
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>>377159216
>waggle game
>competitive play
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>>377178236

>He literally thinks all game journalists are colluding with one another and are subhumans.

?????
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>>377178295
>>377177976

We all know it happens, but we also all know journalists don't give three fucks about Nintendo since they started doing Directs and their primary audience isn't particularly interested in them.

Nintendo isn't dangling multi-million ad contracts over their heads and not having a review for a new Nintendo game day-one isn't going to cost much traffic whereas not having [Insert AAA FOTM here] will. The reasons we know journalists collude with publishers just don't make much sense when applied to Nintendo.

Besides, if Nintendo were paying for scores, they forgot to send a number of checks, because critics have not been shy about rating recent Wii U and 3DS games less than glowingly.
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>>377178034
Quite possibly
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>>377178720

>Besides, if Nintendo were paying for scores, they forgot to send a number of checks, because critics have not been shy about rating recent Wii U and 3DS games less than glowingly.

Yeah. That's why I'm glad that based sony doesn't send out paychecks either. Look at some of these lowly reviewed games. How could they bribe reviewers with games rated this bad?
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>>377178557
The reasons and evidence we have for such collusion don't really apply to Nintendo, though. There's clear motivation for western publishers to do so but it makes much less sense when you imagine it's Nintendo (or any number of Japanese developers/publishers) doing it.

They do their own videos, journalists get information when we do, they don't get it early like they used to, their games aren't too popular with the target demographic most sites are gong for, """"""core"""""" gamers who primarily play on XB/PS, and subsequently coverage of Nintendo games is likely not a big draw for viewers, who then give the site money through ad revenue.

These outlets won't suffer much at all if Nintendo, say, doesn't send review copies or pulls ads, and remember they've already all but cut the press out of the loop with directs years ago in the first place, but these outlets will be hurting big time if western publishers like EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar, etc. pull ads or "blacklist" them and stop giving them prerelease info or review copies. So while there is plenty of evidence that suggests """""journalists""""" and publishers collude, the evidence we have doesn't suggest Nintendo is one of them. Some may have rated the game highly to appease or to simply not create any controversy, but that's no fault of Nintendo.
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>>377179075
Yes, you're right, I don't think SCE Santa Monica "encouraged" higher scores for that game. It was relatively low-budget and not from a major studio, it likely didn't represent much in terms of revenue through ads or coverage. I do, however, think publishers like Rockstar and EA "encourage" outlets to dole out higher scores for their bigger games that do demand significant attention.

It's not black and white, all or nothing, you fucking moron. This isn't an episode of Law & Order.
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>>377171731
> the only reason it'll sell at all is because the Switch library is fucking abysmal
Where have I heard that one before?

>only reason Bomberman sold well is because Switch had no games
>only reason Neo Geo games sold well is because Switch had no games
>only reason MK8D sold well is because Switch had no games
>only reason Shovel Knight sold well is because Switch had no games
>only reason Snipper Clips sold well is because Switch had no games
>only reason Puyo Puyo Tetris sold well is because Switch had no games

Meanwhile over the last few months:

>every time PS4 gets a port announcement, Switch port accompanies the announcement.
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>>377179586
>>377179334

>These outlets won't suffer much at all if Nintendo, say, doesn't send review copies or pulls ads, and remember they've already all but cut the press out of the loop with directs years ago in the first place, but these outlets will be hurting big time if western publishers like EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar, etc. pull ads or "blacklist" them and stop giving them prerelease info or review copies.

So then why are they giving them high scores? Have you already forgotten that these people HATE good games and they only want cinematic movies? I don't have to remind you of Gone Home's universal praise. Nintendo pretty much blacklisting them in their directs and personal interviews should mean that journos will hate them even more.They would all do anything to keep Nintendo games from being popular.

And if you say " they give high score because they're fun" then again I ask you, why do you believe these crooks and corrupt assholes? Because they're saying what you want them to say?
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>>377179902
>people HATE good games
If you think everybody other than you is wrong, usually you are the one that's wrong. I'm just saying.
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>>377179902

Also, going along with this, if you're actually willing to listen to their scores despite admitting that they take bribes from other companies, then you're essentially saying that game scores are all valid, even if they took bribes.

For example, you can't say that Bloodborne or Uncharted doesn't deserve their praise, because you said it yourself: the presence of paid reviews doesn't nullify the reviews themselves.
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>>377179986

>If you think everybody other than you is wrong, usually you are the one that's wrong
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>>377156741
>>"There's no content!"
And this was an objectively fucking true complaint because they locked nearly everything on the disc behind some bizarre date-lock
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>>377172462
>Or because it's getting positive feedback from those who played it before
Except only weird creepy nintendo people are doing that and normal human beings say it plays like a tech demo
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>>377180490
>vgchartz
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>>377179902
No, you blithering fucking idiot, I'm just telling you that, instead of assuming every single publisher pays for scores, you look at the evidence we have and use your fucking brain and think fucking critically.

Here are some of the reasons we can presume publishers collude for better scores:
>Pre-release information, sometimes exclusive, draws more viewers and nets ad revenue
>Review copies, allow outlets to have reviews on launch day, draws more viewers and nets ad revenue
>Expensive ad contracts, we know these sites run massive ad campaigns for new games, publishers don't want a low score seen with those ads, they will pull ads, netting less ad revenue
We have factual precedent for some of these reasons, Gamespot fired their reviewer when he gave Kane and Lynch a "low" score while the site was running massive banner and wrapper ads for the game, likely because the publisher threatened to pull those ads, resulting in a lot of money lost.

Nintendo doesn't send review copies to everyone in the first place, they've already basically cut out the media entirely by doing their own directs so the media gets information when we do, and Nintendo games are not likely a big draw for these site, they likely do not see much in ad revenue from Nintendo and their games compared to all the other western and AAA stuff they cover.

You need to take it on a game-by-game basis, not just spew "PAID REVIEWS!" at fucking everything. A publisher may "encourage" higher scores for one game but not another, it's all about money, whether they think that favorable coverage or lack of anything seen as negative will have a significant impact on their bottom line. You need to look at the above factors and determine whether or not it actually makes fucking sense.
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>>377180668

>millions of people use vgchartz
>therefore, since millions of people can't be wrong, it's an objectively reliable website
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>>377159967

People mean new, high budget, $60-quality games. Not ports of 20 year old arcade games. Not indie games.

Are you personally excited for SteamWorld Dig 2? or Unbox? Or Cave Story+? Do these games matter to you outside of inflating the Switch's library?
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>>377180721

>Nintendo games are not likely a big draw for these site
Then why review them at all? If they get absolutely nothing from them, clearly they're wasting time since, according to you, Zelda is an unknown series and reviewing it will mean jack squat.

>You need to take it on a game-by-game basis, not just spew "PAID REVIEWS!" at fucking everything.
Oh, but I am taking it on a game-by-game basis. Zelda is the most suspicious one.

>cis white male goes to save the princess from Ganon
>game journos, who've been renowned SJWs that constantly push diversity from day 1, magically give the game 10's all around

>Zelda is supposed to be the most challenging to date
>reviewers like kotaku and gamespot, who can't even beat Wolfenstein on baby mode (and even wrote articles talking about how hard games are "problematic", magically praise it as flawless

>Jim sterling outright hates Nintendo and talks about how it's okay to pirate their games
>still gives BOTW a 7/10 when a lower score would guarantee clicks and tons of controversy views, thus more ad revenue and notoriety

I don't believe it for a damn second that Nintendo doesn't pay for reviews, or threaten for them. Especially when metacritic pruned all 0 scores from BOTW, but magically left all the 10/10 reviews up that didn't even have words in them other than "ZOMG BEST GAME EVAA XD".

That reeks of collusion. And the best part is that, since Nitnendo is a greedy evil corporate, I don't have to prove a thing. They're guilty by default.
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>>377180806
I only said, if you think everybody other than you is wrong, than usually you are wrong. I didn't say that the majority is always right. There is a very big difference between those things anon.
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>>377161983
>>377161628
Takahashi is a lucky man. If only she'd start writing his stories for him again.
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>>377181557

>I only said, if you think everybody other than you is wrong, than usually you are wrong. I didn't say that the majority is always right.
Then what is the big difference that somehow makes these two things completely separate? Especially when we have evidence that publishers collude with the journalism industry to blatantly give high review scores, and they pay marketing firms to up the user score as well. So in effect, yes, everyone but me IS wrong.
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>>377160870
My ex still plays Skyrim.
On 360.
It physically hurt me to watch.
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>>377160632
Batteries have set charge cycles. Extended docked use strains the battery and ages it more rapidly.

Smart phone battery life already tanks after 1 year without being plugged in 24/7.
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>>377174480
>Hyping it up more than splatoon

Motherfucker not even anywhere near it yet. Did you forget THIS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwERpeBVJa8
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>>377181462
>Then why review them at all?
They still get some viewers, and lots of smaller Nintendo games don't get reviewed by every outlet. Nintendo don't get as much coverage comparatively but that doesn't mean they're going to be ignored. A store isn't going to stop selling its more niche products just because they don't sell as well as others and the success of the doesn't hinge on their success, they just won't be the priority.

AGAIN, it's not all fucking black and white, you keep speaking and thinking in these ridiculous absolutes and operating as if it's not possible for anything between them to exist. You state one extreme, I say no, that's not the case, and you simply jump to the other extreme and assume that's what I'm arguing.

>That reeks of collusion
No, it doesn't, for the reasons I already fucking gave you. You're just looking to draw parallels that aren't there because it fits the conclusion you've already drawn in your head. You're convinced that EVERY game is paid off, so you draw that conclusion from everything, even when it means the exact opposite in reality.

>cis white male goes to save the princess from Ganon
>supposed to be the most challenging to date
Who are you quoting? You're literally just pulling this out of thin air and then arguing against it.
>Jim Sterling could have given it a lower score for MORE ad revenue!
No, I think he gave it a 7 because he thought it deserved a fucking 7. He got DDOS'd for that 7, I'm sure that generated TONS of ad revenue! This argument makes no sense.

If Nintendo pulls ads, it won't matter that much. They already don't hand out prerelease info. I'm simply not seeing the same overwhelming incentive to pad scores that exists for western AAA games that can make or break a site/outlet.
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>>377181858
>I only said, if you think everybody other than you is wrong, than usually you are wrong. I didn't say that the majority is always right.
>Then what is the big difference that somehow makes these two things completely separate?

>Once again only thinking in extreme opposites, assuming your opponent must belong to the other extreme if he doesn't agree with yours
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>>377182194
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>>377162259
Yeah but they aren't exclusives.
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>>377182670

>A store isn't going to stop selling its more niche products just because they don't sell as well as others
That's their entire business model though. Stores will often refuse to stock something if it doesn't sell for a while. If it isn't Call of Duty, it doesn't get center stage and you're lucky if they stock it.

>it's not all fucking black and white,
I hate to break the news to you, but in the case of idiots like Jim Sterling and Moviebob, yes it is black and white. They do not review for quality purposes, they do it out of contrarianism, sucking up, or fat paychecks.

>You're convinced that EVERY game is paid off, so you draw that conclusion from everything, even when it means the exact opposite in reality.
Try to see it my way: someone reviews products for a living. Then it's revealed that they took money to give false praise to certain brands. No matter what those brands were, ALL of their reviews are now suspect, if not null and void entirely. That's why I feel confused when people compare game journos to a broken clock, because they're NEVER right. They are a clock set to the wrong time, so no matter when you look at them, they'll be giving you wrong information.

>Who are you quoting? You're literally just pulling this out of thin air and then arguing against it.
This has been known fact from day 1: game journos hate non-diversity pushing games, and they hate challenging games. If Zelda is both of these, then it cannot have a high score. So someone is either lying here, or /v/ has some explaining to do.

>No, I think he gave it a 7 because he thought it deserved a fucking 7.
And he's a douchebag and a hypocritical liar, since you can compare his BOTW and Horizon reviews and you'll see that he outright hates things in Zelda that he'll gladly praise in Horizon, so why the score wasn't lower, considering his previous biases, doesn't make much sense.
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>>377182670

>I'm simply not seeing the same overwhelming incentive to pad scores
Uh, gee I don't know. How about to sell consoles? And as you just so happen to know, they have a shiny new one that needs to have units moved. They did this exact same thing with Bayonetta 2 on the WiiU. I don't care how many times you say that a "broken clock is right twice a day." You cannot tell me that game journos would unanimously praise a game with a sexualized main character when they write entire articles about white privilege and rape culture. Literally the only explanation is collusion and bribery. That acts as its own evidence.

>>377182765

>Once again only thinking in extreme opposites, assuming your opponent must belong to the other extreme if he doesn't agree with yours
My opponents are game journalists. They don't have rational or sensible opinions. That requires them to be human beings with the capacity for logic and moderate thinking.
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>>377183539
>unanimously
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>>377183317
>yes it is black and white
No, it's not.

The evidence we have is not applicable to every situation, to every review, form every single fucking journalist, Jesus Fucking Christ I've explained this twice already.

> Then it's revealed that they took money to give false praise to certain brands
But who is "they" in your example? A specific person, a site as a whole?

I'm not telling you to take anything an author who has been confirmed to have been influenced seriously again, I'm telling you to not label every single journalist and outlet the same way without having evidence first. Contrary to what you tell yourself over and over again, not every journalist is on the take and plenty are objective and ethical. You're just smearing every single one with the same brush without thinking first.
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>>377183317
>And he's a douchebag and a hypocritical liar,
Or he just has shitty taste, I'd find that just as, if not more, plausible.

>>377183539
> I don't care how many times you say that a "broken clock is right twice a day.
I didn't say that at all, you said it, twice, you blathering moron.

>Literally the only explanation is collusion and bribery. That acts as its own evidence.

CORRELATION

IS

NOT

CAUSATION

You irresponsible muppet.
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>>377183868

>The evidence we have is not applicable to every situation, to every review, form every single fucking journalist,
How is it not applicable? Someone who's crooked and biased can not give reliable testimony.

>But who is "they" in your example? A specific person, a site as a whole?
How about every single person involved in gamergate?

>I'm telling you to not label every single journalist and outlet the same way without having evidence first.
Dear anon, I have mountains of evidence. Whether I could point to the Kane and Lynch fiasco, the lesser known Donkey Konga: Jungle beat firing, the entirety of the Driv3r scandal, Depression Quest, Gone Home, you name it. I could pick any singular review from any game journo and rip it apart with its own inconsistencies and lies.

>You're just smearing every single one with the same brush without thinking first.
I think they've earned the brush smearing with quotes like "I have Gone Home and I have gone home but I am not home."
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>>377184187

>Or he just has shitty taste, I'd find that just as, if not more, plausible.
That clearly can't be since he gave Hyrule Warriors a 10/10, so either that game is garbage, or he lloves to play favorites and switch preferences for the sake of more clicks.


>CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION
This only applies to when something happens once or twice. This has been an easily followable, easily trackable, easily reproducible trend that's happened over 20 years, if not longer. There could not be more evidence even if you tried.
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>>377184526
>Musou
Of course it's garbage, anon. What a silly question.
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>>377184298
You're just assuming every journalist is biased and corrupt because some were.

Hmm, sounds a little familiar...
>>377178557


Dude, all I'm telling you to do is thoughtfully examine every situation and think for yourself instead of lumping everyone in a specific group together.

Assuming ALL journalists are corrupt and biased actually hurts your cause, because the ones that aren't agree with you. They WANT fair, accurate reporting and to see an end to collusion, and by demonizing them along with the actual offenders your delegitimizing and hurting their ability to make positive changes within their own industry. We're not going to get rid of the """""journalists""""" if we can't give the real journalists the voice and space they need to help. The best way to convince people that this shit isn't real journalism is with a positive example of what journalism actually is.
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>>377184526
>This only applies to when something happens once or twice
No, it's a pretty basic rule. Correlation is not causation.
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>>377184863

>You're just assuming every journalist is biased and corrupt because some were.
Because ALL OF THEM ARE. How are you not getting this? The very act of reviewing a game for monetary payment means that you will be biased and not just review it on its own merits.

>because the ones that aren't agree with you. They WANT fair, accurate reporting and to see an end to collusion,
That's their fault for willingly entering an industry that's corrupt, then willingly staying in that industry despite knowing that it's corrupt, not even bothering to speak out against it. They dug their own graves.

>We're not going to get rid of the """""journalists""""" if we can't give the real journalists the voice and space they need to help
What we need is to burn the industry to the ground and start over, this time making reviewing games a hobby, instead of a job. As long as you're taking money, you will not be unbiased. And I guarantee you that every journalist claiming to be "a good guy" who's fighting against corruption will have skeletons in their closet with absurdly high metacritic scores.
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>>377184957
He's quite literally insane. Its no use trying to reason with him.
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>>377185447
>>377184957

So let me get this straight, even though we have proof that they accept bribes for good reviews, that somehow doesn't mean anything?
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>>377185367
>Because ALL OF THEM ARE
>Someone who's crooked and biased can not give reliable testimony.
>I think they've earned the brush smearing
>That's why I feel confused when people compare game journos to a broken clock, because they're NEVER right
Gee, where have I seen this extremist, reactionary, ignorant and counter-productive line of thinking before?

Oh, right
>>377178557
>Gamers are all misogynists and hate women!
>All gamers are toxic and sexist!
>Why are gamers so angry?
>Gamers are all horrible trolls
>Let's end "gamers"
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>>377185704
>So let me get this straight, even though we have proof that they accept bribes for good reviews, that somehow doesn't mean anything?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

We went over this already, it's like talking to a brick fucking wall. You're just lumping everyone in together and ignoring everything I'm carefully and clearly explaining to you.
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>>377186010

>game journos, who are PAID to give legitimate reviews free of bias
>decide to collaborate and give games high score for the sake of extra ad revenue, even though they know that the products are garbage
>prying eyes discover the truth and uncover their operation
>damage control out the ass, citing gamers as horrible people with no factual basis for such

>I use these examples and call them out for being corrupt asshats, citing facts, events, and easily researchable history that's been well documented over the course of half a century, including things they continue to do up to the modern day
>"DUDE HORSESHOE THEORY STOP BULLYING THEM"

Whose payroll are you on?
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>>377185367
>>377186240

>In statistics, many statistical tests calculate correlations between variables and when two variables are found to be correlated, it is tempting to assume that this shows that one variable causes the other. That "correlation proves causation," is considered a questionable cause logical fallacy when two events occurring together are taken to have established a cause-and-effect relationship

>As with any logical fallacy, identifying that the reasoning behind an argument is flawed does not imply that the resulting conclusion is false


Because I'm sure you won't actually read any of it.
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>>377186240

>You're just lumping everyone in together
Because they're all guilty. This isn't merely correlation. This is them being caught red handed and their foolish attempts at damage control. There is not a single innocent among them.
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>>377159429
you two are clearly retarded. let me help you out
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This thread went to total shit. Just exchange emails already and write your novels there.
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Unlike Splatoon, Arms really does look like shovelware and absolutely no one would even know about it if it wasn't one of the only games coming out on Switch.

I predict that any novelty it has wears off in less than 2 hours.
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>>377186471

Stop with this meme. It has been PROVEN that this happens. It can be reproduced in a scientific experiment. It is no longer correlation, but a well founded and proven conclusion.
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>>377186324
>B-b-but you're a shill!

lol

I guess we're done, then?

I agree with you, you're being a reactionary retard. I cited some of the same fucking examples you did, before you cited them.

Not all journalists are corrupt and saying they all are is no different and frankly just as ignorant as those corrupt journalists pushing those "all gamers are evil" puff pieces. AGAIN, they want the same shit you do, you fucking retard, we're not going to oust the fake journalists and fix anything if you push all the real ones out with them, you simpering shitwit. You're not promoting real journalism, you're just shitting on all of it.
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>>377160516
Pokken sold a ton though. It just had no staying power. The last few arcade characters never coming to WiiU was the final nail in the coffin.
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Arms just looks fucking wii-sports tier though
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>>377186687
>lol its a meme
You cannot prove that [Y] causes [X] to happen by providing more examples of [X].

You're not just arguing with me, you're arguing with universally accepted fact.
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>>377186791

>Not all journalists are corrupt
Then please, name me even one who isn't a corrupt piece of garbage.

>>377186960

I can prove that gaming journos are corrupt when they deal with the very companies giving them ad revenue and they market games on their website, right next to their "unbiased" reviews. You're the one arguing that there's absolutely no conflict of interest there.
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>>377157247
Well the witcher 3 was still getting "first decent next gen game" boosted sales in 2015 so it could be a while.
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>>377187069
>Then please, name me even one who isn't a corrupt piece of garbage
Seanbaby
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>>377187338

>visit his website
>he writes for Electronic gaming monthly and Cracked
>"not biased"
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>>377187069
>You're the one arguing that there's absolutely no conflict of interest there.
No, I'm telling you that correlation is not causation. I didn't say that, at all, you're pulling that out of your fucking ass.

I guess I need to repeat this part too:
>As with any logical fallacy, identifying that the reasoning behind an argument is flawed does not imply that the resulting conclusion is false

I agree that some journalists and publishers collude, you fucking retard. I just said Nintendo likely isn't one of them. Do I need to link back to my first fucking post for the reasons why again? I guess it doesn't matter, you'll just ignore it and insist every single review is paid, missing the point entirely, again.
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>>377187449
>EGM
>biased
And this is how I know you weren't alive when the magazine actually existed.
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>>377156741
I can't be the only one trying to learn how to sing the theme song for Arms right?
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>>377187457

>No, I'm telling you that correlation is not causation.
A conflict of interest existing instantly points to causation. You have to prove that it's physically possible to market a game on your website AND give an unbiased review at the same time. Due to the nature of human greed, that will be impossible to prove.

>I just said Nintendo likely isn't one of them.
You used faulty reasoning, claiming that Nintendo doesn't pay them off because some of their games get low scores, ignoring that a vast majority of MS and sony games get low scores too, yet they somehow pay off reviewers?

>I agree that some journalists and publishers collude
You keep making this mistake. Unless proven otherwise, ALL ARE GUILTY. You don't get a pass just because you claim to be unbiased, you have to prove it. After the mess that was gamergate, every journalist is bloodguilty.
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>>377160981
I could hop on Splatoon right now and get in a full group in a couple minutes. Granted they'd all be squiggly lines, but it is midnight
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>>377187515

It was no less biased than Nintendo Power.
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>Unless proven otherwise, ALL ARE GUILTY.
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>>377187708
Provide evidence Nintendo paid for Zelda reviews.

We know other publishers strong-arm for scores, so don't bother citing those, we're not talking about those publishers, we're talking about Nintendo. I already explained why it makes little sense for Nintendo to do so.

I'm asking for proof that Nintendo influenced the review scores for Zelda. Factual evidence, not more examples of high scores, because, as we've already established, that does not prove causation.

>Unless proven otherwise, ALL ARE GUILTY.
Yes, just as all gamers are evil misogynists until proven otherwise.
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>>377164167
>just as good
don't be a retard. just because gyro aimming is the best shooter controls you can get on a console and it's miles better than fucking twin sticks doesn't mean it can hold a candle to kb&m
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>>377187960
You clearly never read it, if anything they had been accused of an anti-Nintendo slant over the years due to increasing coverage for other platforms, picking the XB over the GC, low scores for games like Luigi's Mansion, etc.

And they did exactly what they should have done when asked to pad scores by a publisher: Tell them to fuckoff. Ubisoft was not happy with their score of 7 for the first AssCreed, so they threatened to pull ads, stop sending review copies of their games, etc. EGM said too bad and printed the review anyway, and Shoe wrote a nice little editorial detailing the exchange and the importance of ethical journalism.
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>>377188097

>Provide evidence Nintendo paid for Zelda reviews.
When Jim Sterling gave Zelda a 7/10, his website was DDOS'd and he was prominently sent thousands of death threats. The same thing happened all the way back with Twilight Princess as well, with 8.8. It's too coincidental to think that these were just zealous fans. And I don't think Nintendo deserves the benefit of the doubt, as after the AM2R and Pokemon fangames, they've proven that they'll stoop to new lows just to remain on top and treat their fans like garbage.

>Yes, just as all gamers are evil misogynists until proven otherwise.
The difference is that I've proven it, and game journos are all scum. If I was wrong, gamergate would never have happened.

>>377188394

>Ubisoft was not happy with their score of 7 for the first AssCreed, so they threatened to pull ads
Why the hell do they run ads in the first place? Why do they get early review copies? That alone condemns them, no matter their actions after the fact. They still willingly took money from the same people they're supposed to be unbiased towards. If they want to vindicate themselves, they shouldn't have taken the money in the first place.
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>>377168050
zelda has never been a top selling nintendo IP don't be a retard next time
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>unless proven otherwise ALL ARE GUILTY
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I'll be honest, aesthetics always play a huge part in selling me a game. I really like colourful and cute games, so I was already interested in Arms to begin with but it wasn't enough to sell me since I'm not really into fighting games. Then I realised I thought the same thing with Splatoon, not being a fan of shooters and all and it ended up being one of my favourite games of all time. Worst case scenario I'm out $47 for a game I'll probably only play with friends and I don't mind that. I can always sell or trade it if I really don't like it.
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>>377188520
I'm not even a le smug neutralfag intellectual, but you are literally using the same non-arguments (guilt by association and condemning people with zero evidence) as the people you are complaining about. You're fucking retarded and think assumptions count as evidence though. Just to think, all this autism because of Other M.
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>>377157247
When the games worth owning aren't just ports of Wii U games.

Basically, when No More Heroes 3 and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 comes out for it.

Maybe Odyssey, but Sunshine/64-type Mario games suck ass so I don't have too much hope for it.
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>>377188943

>but you are literally using the same non-arguments as the people you are complaining about.

the difference is that I actually cite my sources. Gamers as a whole can't coordinate a massive DDOS attack on their own. Someone's gotta be lining their pockets.

Also, I've still yet to see a single non-biased game journo, a challenge I proposed 20 posts ago.
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>>377188520
>When Jim Sterling gave Zelda a 7/10, his website was DDOS'd and he was prominently sent thousands of death threats
So, Nintendo did it? No, I think some asshurt fanboys did it.

>as after the AM2R and Pokemon fangames
you mean the ones N intendo waited a literal decade and to be out on the internet to do anything about?

Neither of those are proof that Nintendo influenced scores for Zelda. One is a completely unrelated example of something else they did that you didn't like, and the other, if we assume you're right and Nintendo is the culprit, was a little fucking late if they wanted a better score, don't you think?
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>>377189125
Shoe, former editor-in-chief at EGM
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>>377189125
There will never be evidence for non-bias on this subject you are willing to accept. You literally come to /v/ to espouse your insane drivel that nobody will ever believe because you have no evidence.
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>>377189125
>the difference is that I actually cite my sources
But you didn't
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>>377189219

>So, Nintendo did it? No, I think some asshurt fanboys did it.
For it to happen multiple times in a row is too coincidental.

>you mean the ones N intendo waited a literal decade and to be out on the internet to do anything about?
I mean the ones they didn't immediately stop in their inception, thus showing themselves as incompetent, then refusing to allow updates to these games, which could've made them better and fix any flaws they had. Yes, those games.

>if we assume you're right and Nintendo is the culprit, was a little fucking late if they wanted a better score, don't you think?
Late means little, as long as they essentially have a gun held at your head that says "if you don't give our game star reviews, your website will have a little "accident". "

>>377189436

Look anon, I'm terribly sorry, but you and /v/ as a whole cannot claim that the industry unfairly hates on Nintendo for the latter half of 30 years, then all of a sudden defend their games when they start magically getting high scores.
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>>377156741
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>>377189125
>I actually cite my sources

>Nintendo DDOS'd Sterling's site

So where's that source?
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>>377160621
>>377156935
Both posts are accurate.
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>>377189643
>but you and /v/ as a whole cannot claim that the industry unfairly hates on Nintendo for the latter half of 30 years, then all of a sudden defend their games when they start magically getting high scores.
Nobody says this, how can you even think that (beside the obvious answer of insanity) when games like SM64 and OoT are still widely considered to be some of the best of all time?
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>>377189350

He worked for a magazine that took ads for games that they were supposed to review. Shill confirmed.

>>377189687

>So where's that source?
Ironically, the sources all come from a certain website, whose name is banned here. It involved one of the mods who shadowbanned everyone who talked bad about the wiiU and 3DS. The archives are lost to time though, sadly.

If you want proof of sony doing the same, then happily neogaf has all of its archives.
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>>377189643
>"They're EVIL because of what they did to AM2R and Pokemon fangame #164!"
>But they waited until the games were out and we all still got to play them instead of shitcanning them ten years ago like they could have
>"Um, because they were INCOMPETENT!"

You're priceless, sweetie, never change.
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>>377157380
>2
People seriously underestimate the power of lolis and waifus. Especially in regards to /v/ hive mind.
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>>377189846
>He worked for a magazine that took ads for games that they were supposed to review

>"Advertising exists, so everyone is biased"
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>>377189839

>Nobody says this,
Tell that tot he Wonderful 101 and Donkey Kong posters, who consistently claim that the industry hates their games because "they're brainwashed sony shills". 2013 and 2014 were just insufferable years.
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>>377189643
>For it to happen multiple times in a row is too coincidental

Correlation =/= causation

Did we cover this one yet?
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>>377189846
So, you don't have any citations, then? Right, thought so.
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>>377189125
>Gamers as a whole can't coordinate a massive DDOS attack on their own. Someone's gotta be lining their pockets.
Dude what? A single individual with a botnet can do it.

Besides. This is far from the only Jim Sterling have been DDOSd. It's not even possible to deny the possibility that he's doing to himself for publicity.

That Nintendo or an actually major organization with a face would actually be involved with it in any way would be the least likely scenario.
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>>377189846
He literally did EXACTLY what you said you wanted journalists to do, not take bribes from publishers.
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>>377189849

>But they waited until the games were out
If they waited, why even can them in the first place? Let them exist. you can't half-ass this. Either get rid of it in its inception, or allow it existence. It's not a trademark, you don't have to strike every infraction down.

>>377189981

>let's positively advertise the very same products that we're reviewing. No bias there :^)
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Why would anyone ever defend Jim Sterling?
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>>377189846
>He worked for a magazine that took ads for games that they were supposed to review. Shill confirmed.
He literally got threatened for not giving a high enough score, Jeff Gerstmann got fired from Gamespot for not giving a high enough score to Kain and Lynch a decade ago. You're a genuine fucking nutter ACfag. I'd be pretty worried if was a game reviewer with you around.
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>>377190008
>>377190043

Conflict of interest =/ Correlation. Have we covered THAT yet?
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>>377190254
>If they waited, why even can them in the first place?
IP law
>STILL thinking in black & white extremes
>"If it's not this, then I'll sarcastically ask why it's not the exact opposite, not realizing there's room between the two HURR DURR"
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>>377156741
I thought Splatoon looked great from the moment it was announced and I was right. I think ARMS looks like shit.
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>>377190254
>let's positively advertise the very same products that we're reviewing. No bias there :^)
No, there isn't inherently a bias there, you fucking mouth-breathing simpleton.

That's kind of the whole fucking point, that you can do things like have ads for games and feature interviews with developers and NOT be biased, NOT let that color your review. That's what a journalist's fucking job is, to be objective.

You're literally saying a journalist, ANY journalist, not just ones writing about games, cannot do their job, that journalism by definition is not possible.
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>>377190483
>conflict of interest
Why do you keep saying this when you're told that correlation does not imply causation? It has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with the concept that you cannot cite additional examples of [X] as proof that [Y] is causing [X] to happen.
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>>377160214
Now this is revisionist shitposting.
>Wii U launch library is better than Switch
Because NSMBWii U and Nintendo Land are better than Breath of the Wild. Switch has the single best launch year lineup of any system released since 2000. The only system that comes close is the Dreamcast.
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>>377190861
Gamecube had a great first year too

>Melee
>Rogue Squadron II
>Super Monkey Ball
>Wave Race
>Luigi's Mansion
>Mario Sunshine
>Eternal Darkness
>Metroid Motherfucking Prime
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>>377190483
What you just did right there was fabricate a brand new logical fallacy criterion so that you attempt win an argument on a Chinese macro forum.
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>>377190170

Considering the shady things Nintendo has done in the past, especially with third parties, they don't get a benefit of the doubt here. However, because Jim Sterling is similarly an asshole, I won't rule out that he did do it to himself. Either way, one of these lying corporate scumbags is to blame.

>>377190182
>>377190354

I'm sorry guys. He waited a little too long to play the hero, since he already reaped the benefits of that delicious ubisoft ad revenue. If, the moment you recognize your website taking ad money, you do not instantly leave that corrupt hovel, then you are guilty of its crimes.

>>377190559

>IP law
A law you seem to not understand, sadly.

>"If it's not this, then I'll sarcastically ask why it's not the exact opposite, not realizing there's room between the two HURR DURR"
It's half-assing the issue. if you don't want it existing, stop it in the womb. Canning it after release only earns you bad press, AND ensures that the game can never improve because the game could've surely used some more updates. We're lucky we even got 1.1.

>>377190672
>>377190790

>No, there isn't inherently a bias there, you fucking mouth-breathing simpleton.
>even though these people are paying me to put ads up for their game, there is no bias.
So by this logic, no corruption exists period. there is no such thing as paying for reviews or bribing game journalists. Driv3r and Kane and Lynch didn't happen, those were just coincidences. Is that right?
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>>377191097
>Advertising means all journalism is corrupt and biased
lolno
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>>377191097
>If, the moment you recognize your website taking ad money, you do not instantly leave that corrupt hovel, then you are guilty of its crimes.
Guilt by association, described absolutely perfectly. Good job, you retard.
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>>377191231
>>377191163

Guilt by association is a legitimate argument, though. You're taking in the reward money and doing nothing about the inherent corruption. you're not making it even the slightest bit known that you care, until it's convenient.
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>>377191097
>Backpedaling this hard on your bullshit claim that Nintendo DDOS'd Sterling

>The presence of any form of advertising automatically renders anything and everything biased

>Not taking an extreme, one-sided view of anything and everything is "half-assing" the issue

Okay, darling, whatever you say :3
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>>377191358
>Guilt by association is a legitimate argument, though
Then why don't you leave this fucking website since nobody agrees with you?
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>>377191374

>Backpedaling this hard on your bullshit claim that Nintendo DDOS'd Sterling
They;'re known for abusing the law and treating customers like garbage, so I see no backpedaling.

>The presence of any form of advertising automatically renders anything and everything biased
Yes actually. See, it's just like e-celebs who stream video games. You want money for your work, GET A REAL JOB.

>Not taking an extreme, one-sided view of anything and everything is "half-assing" the issue
DMCA'ing those games was an objectively bad move no matter what logic you used. If they did it "for the customers" then they would've made a good metroid, or not DMCA'd it period. If they did it to protect their IP, they would've done it years ago to stop it from getting so big.

>>377191508

>Then why don't you leave this fucking website since nobody agrees with you?
Becuse the minority is usually, if not always, right.
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>>377191358
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
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>>377191654
>You want money for your work, GET A REAL JOB.
>Advertising and journalism are not real jobs

lol, you can't make this shit up.
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>>377191654
>Becuse the minority is usually, if not always, right.
Do you only think in logical fallacies?
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>>377191730

Streaming video games is not a real job, whether you're doing it to make hilarious reaction faces, or doing it because you're pretending to be a journalist.
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>>377191654
Anon, if it makes money and it's not against the law it's a real job.
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>>377191654
>Publications having advertising is inherently a conflict of interest because ecelebs should just get real jobs

What the fuck is even going on in your head? How did you mash these two completely unrelated thoughts together to form a sentence?
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>>377191792
Who the fuck said anything about streamers?

You brought them up, what the fuck are you even talking about now?
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Rather than fight can't we all just sit back and stare in amazement at the lengths of which this very very special anon went to try and rationalize how it could even be possible that a single Nintendo game got a good review?
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>>377191948
I don't know why he's even on 4chan.

NOTHING HERE CAN BE TRUSTED!

THERE'S ADS!
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>>377191912
>>377191842
>>377191802
>>377191789
>>377191948

Just explain this to me then: how can paid reviews and bribes exist if the simple act of giving money to the journalist via ad revenue does not count as "bribery"?

what I'm so confused about is whyt you're willing to go this length to defend Jim Sterling, Patricia Hernandez, the entirety of kotaku, and the shills that exist everywhere.
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>>377192216
Nobody is defending those people specifically, its just nobody is convinced by your absolute bullshit non arguments. I hope you one day realize you are literally the dumbest motherfucker on this board and finally off yourself.
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>>377156741
>Starve people of content
>Act surprised when a game, good or not, sells

I can't even deal with Nintendo fans anymore. They get around 1-2 good games a year and feel like they don't deserve such love and care.
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>>377192216
What does that have to with streamers? I'm just pointing out that even being a clown in a circus is a real job. Money you earn doing stupid things is still money.
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>>377192356

What is "bullshit" about my arguments? That you shouldn't trust someone who you know willingly took a bribe?

>>377192446

I'm saying that you're using someone else's content and doing nothing with it but talking over it, if even that. It's a "job" in the same way that reading a book out loud could be considered a job. If it's been confirmed that you won't even read the book unless you get paid exhorbitant amounts for it, then why bother?
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>>377192216
>how can paid reviews and bribes exist if the simple act of giving money to the journalist via ad revenue does not count as "bribery"?
Because the world doesn't consist of nothing but extreme opposites, you goddamned shit-licking moron.

A journalist's job is to be objective and not let outside influences, such as publishers or their own personal biases, get in the way of that objectivity. That doesn't mean that the presence of any/all advertising inherently creates that bias. Yes, it is entirely fucking possible for, say, a magazine to run ads for games from a publisher and not let that color or affect their coverage or reviews of their games. That was kind of the whole fucking point of GG, that journalists WEREN'T doing this anymore, the problem isn't that advertising exists it's that journalists weren't doing their fucking jobs properly.

>defend Jim Sterling, Patricia Hernandez, the entirety of kotaku, and the shills that exist everywhere.
No one is doing that, for fuck's sake I've told you over and fucking over again. I'm telling you that the actions of the corrupt do not mean that everyone else is guilty by association, nor does the fact that some paid reviews exist mean that all reviews are paid.
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>>377192728
>What is "bullshit" about my arguments?
That you have no evidence and you're just spouting your opinions and calling them facts.

PROTIP: We're still not talking about Gamespot or publishers that aren't Nintendo, we've agreed with you over and over again that collusion exists, there's just no evidence that Nintendo is part of it.
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>>377192728
Assumptions are not evidence, guilt by association is a fallacy. You have no argument.
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>>377192728
>I'm saying that you're using someone else's content and doing nothing with it but talking over it, if even that.
Yeah, that's what movie/book/food/etc critics do.
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>>377192761
>>377192852
>>377192905

>Yes, it is entirely fucking possible for, say, a magazine to run ads for games from a publisher and not let that color or affect their coverage or reviews of their games.
Because publishers totally won't drop journalists at the drop of a hat if they don't get the scores they want? And game journos won't try and milk that for everything, before a TINY minority claim to have the moral highground and claim to not support that, while still benefiting from the ad revenue?

That's just physically impossible. You call me a crazy, but then you imply that you can take money from someone while still reviewing their product in a non-biased way. It just doesn;'t work like that.

As for Nintendo, I've listed multiple examples of things that were a little too coincidental to just happen. I could also list how Nintendo blatantly uses metacritic scores in their advertising, how they give exclusive interviews to certain people, how they're extremely stingy with review copies of their games, to the point where they'll pretty much write a script up for you and tell you what to say. What else do you need?
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>>377193423
>It's just IMPOSSIBLE for a journalist to be objective!
I'll be back the next time you crop up to call you on your bullshit.
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>>377193423
>What else do you need?
Actual proof. You sub 80 IQ retard.
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>>377193423
>things that were a little too coincidental to just happen
That's not proof you fucking retard.
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>>377193423
>Advertising renders all journalism biased and corrupt

I just don't understand how you manage to put your own pants on every morning.
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>>377193598
>>377193571
>>377193698

>journos taking money and reaping the rewards of ad revenue doesn't count as corruption
>Driv3r wasn't corruption, neither was Kane and Lynch. Those were just coincidences

Boy, Kotaku must pay you guys well.
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>>377193761
No, advertising is not evidence of corruption, you fucking simpleton.
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>>377193761
I cited Kane and Lynch like four times you fucking idiot
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>>377193761
>Ask for evidence on Nintendo
>LOL Kane and Lynch even though you already brought that up multiple times and acknowledged the corruption there HURR DURR
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>>377161304
That's an abdolute lie. The japs are ever present, but depending on the time of the day there's obviously a big presence of western players too, mostly French, but I've also seen Germans, Italians like me and a few english speakers (hard to pon point their origin)

t. Got Splatoon only last month
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>>377193958
>>377193887

But you guys just said that taking money for early reviews doesn't count as corruption. So which is it?
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>>377194230
No one said that, you fucking moron.
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