If Sony don't use this controller on PS5 I won't buy

Is there ever going to be a console which natively supports mouse + keyboard? I would possibly buy one if it did that, and was more powerful than a high-end PC. Also it should allow modding, and the mods shouldn't be policed, I need my titty mods.

>>377156728
PS3 supports any chinese keyboard. I played CoD and CS:Go back then with a 6 bucks chinese keyboard.

>>377156576
L2 and R2's shape is problematic, when trying to put down the controller they keep getting pressed.

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>>377156576
>symmetrical bottom place thumb sticks
>30 min battery life

>>377156728
maybe a keyboard but not a mouse.
Mouse would destroy the illusion that consoles provide which would be a serious problem that could never be resolved.

>>377156728
Xbox is going to support keyboard and mouse pretty soon

>>377157025
>Not using the new model with USB connectivity
>using Bluetooth shit technology
you are the problem

Battery lasted like less than a day on my PS4 when I had it.

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>>377156576
Literally irrelevant to me.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that DS4 is by far the best controller of all time.

It's just that I have a Xim4 so I can use whatever device I wish , and I highly doubt it won't be compatible with the PS5.
Anyway why are you thinking half a decade ahead? It'll still take a while until the PS5 comes out.

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>>377156576
>Left joystick below d-pad

FUCKING STOOOOOOOP! NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS SHIT, IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE AS FUCK

Does the top of the controller still have that obnoxious, useless glow while you're playing?

>>377156728
There are games with native M&K support on PS4, I only know of FF14 and Warthunder but I didn't look.
The support is there, but the devs must allow it. Either way if you want the best aproximation to native m&k look no further than >>377157523

>>377157550

Go play with your asymmetric controller designed for retarded hands.

>>377156576
>controller rests on its buttons
>creaks like a rotted out sailboat
>sized extra small for children and manlets

This is not what peak performance looks like.

>>377156576
Anon, it's the worst controller of the current generation.

Unless of course you have baby hands like most Sonylets.

>>377157550
Etf is wrong with you, any other way is retarded

>>377157663

That thing costs $124.99, the PS4 already costs $400. For $525 you can make a fine computer.

>>377157550
>not emulating old games

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>>377157739
>controller rests on its buttons
the shape stops them being depressed when set down

>creaks like a rotted out sailboat
no more than any other controller, especially if you torque the hell out of it like an angry autist

>sized extra small for children and manlets
errr ok, pic related

>>377158005
looks like those controllers are mating from the thumbnail

Every dualshock controller are complete ass garbage

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Any thoughts on the Elite controller? I pretty much refuse to use a typing instrument to play games anymore and the thought of having programmable triggers sounds nice.

>>377157803
yea but where will you find a bigger eco-system of easy retards to kill on a regular basis?

>>377158005
>the shape stops them being depressed when set down
Wrong.

>no more than any other controller, especially if you torque the hell out of it like an angry autist
Not a single other controller I have ever owned has ever creaked, even after ten, twenty, thirty years of use.

>errr ok, pic related
At least post The Duke if you're trying to be smug about your tiny hands

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>>377157803
>the PS4 already costs $400
Do you live in 2013 or under a rock?
The thing costs 260€ new and bundled with a game. You can easily find one second-hand at 200€ just the same way you arrived at the $500 price with your PC build.

>That thing costs $124.99
Did I ever argue it was cheap? Still a nice price to pay in order to use almost literally any input method, including joysticks.
Seeing that you're clearly a PC gamer such a price isn't too surprising, is it? Good mice and keyboards also cost that much if you're willing to invest.

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It's far from perfect.

>>377158005
ha ha x-box manlet small

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>>377156576
They had the perfect controller, but people afraid of change complained so hard they had to go back to a shitty design.

>>377157803
>>377158317
I forgot to add: I love how you bitch about Xim4's price but didn't bat an eye at the mouse in that pic, G700s which cost almost the same years back

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>>377158240
there are much cheaper controllers that have extra triggers, if that's all your looking for.
Plus the elite controller has some pretty well documented quality control issues

Do they make 3rd party PS4 controllers with an XBox layout? Asking for a friend.

>>377157803
>For $525 you can make a fine computer.

... umm, anon? My last gaming rig was $1600 in parts.

>>377156576
I keep having to buy new ones every 4-5 months cuz the buttons turn to shit

>>377158462
Yes. google "PS4 elite controller" and you'll find them. There are 2 official ones, one of them uses Xbox's layout.

They aren't wireless though

>>377156576
I liked the ps3 one more

>>377158574
I hate how non consumer friendly consoles are. If I want to use my Xbox 360 controller on my Ps4, why the hell cant I.

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>>377158312
>the shape stops them being depressed when set down
>Wrong.
objectively talking out of your rectum, matey

>>377157209
So that moves the left stick and replaces the Dpad with something that's not that segmented bullshit?

>>377156576
it is perfect, aside from the shit battery life

>>377158557
>ellipsis unironically
>gaming rig
go back

>>377158975
And the size.
And the joystick placement.

>>377158240
It depends, really. For games that paddles are good for and make your hands sweat a lot, the Elite is the GOAT. I say this as someone who fucked around with Scuf controllers for a little bit. Don't make that mistake, the people who buy them and have them break aren't retards who can't take care of their things, Scuf controllers are just legit crap.

For regular old video games though, I'll usually use the PS4 controller. I couldn't exactly tell you why, but it just feels better to me for games where I wouldn't be using paddles. I guess I don't like the trigger length on the Elite and I've had issues with the triggers registering when you use the trigger stops in certain games(Dark Souls 3 being the biggest offender).

It's a good controller though. If it sounds like you would like it and you've got the cash for it, give it a shot.

>>377156576
Playstation fanboy here.

This:
>>377157006
Also, the battery life could be better.

>>377156576
>pointless flashlight
>shit battery life
>dual lower joy
>terrible shoulder design
>Facebook button

Nah

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>>377158948
Why would you be so retarded to move the D-pad and analog from it's perfected location?

Or do you have asymmetrical hands?

>>377156728
GameCube had M&K

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>>377156851
how the fuck do you use this

>>377156728
ps1 had a mouse accessory, and as far as I know all playstation consoles support usb keyboards and mice for the web browser (if there is one).

Devs can support mouse and keyboard if they want, problem is nobody does.

>>377158724
Are you this stupid? Seriously?

And you can, at an extra price.

>>377158724
You can and I do. $60 for an adapter though, which does kind of suck.

>>377158915
Now try it on your couch, assmunch
Shit fast-forwards a Netflix show every time

>>377159590
I do have the adapter Chronus too. Does not mean it's not unfriendly as fuck.

>>377159438
How is this stupid? I can use any controller I want on a PC.

>>377156576
The stick placement is the one thing I've always disliked about Sony's controllers. It's also the one thing they'll never change.

>>377158557
he said fine computer, not enthusiast. My first PC was a shit $300 compaq with a 6150se and I pretty much played halo ce all summer when i was 16.

around that age you take what you can get

>>377157523
>Best controller of all time
Fuck off, underage faggot.

>>377156576
not really, the friction burned my thumbs

>>377159090
>And the size.
perfect
>And the joystick placement.
perfect and symmetrical. like my hands

>>377159795
Symmetry does not work like that. Also, you will use the buttons more than the second joystick in games.

>>377159607
You know you can control netflix (and a lot of the other media apps on ps4) with your phone, right?

>>377159187
>complains about suspicion of bullshots
>complains about screenshot capture key
never change

>>377159910
>Also, you will use the buttons more than the second joystick in games
y'know, apart from any game that uses the second stick to control the camera...

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The triggers always get activated whenever I put down the controller. So many wasted quicksilver bullets in bloodborne just from putting the controller down.

>>377156576

>Not asymmetric
>Prioritizing D-pad over analog stick
>Still using analog triggers
>Keeping touchpad when gyro aim is superior

Nope.

>>377156576
Why is the select button a giant fucking touchpad? The one game I played that did use the touchpad on a map screen made me think my controller was broken.

>perfect controller
>shit battery
>cheap triggers
>retarded led
lol no, ds3 is better in every way

>>377160023
You control the camera with your bottom thumb, not with the actual nail part.

>>377159938
this.

>Want to watch netflix on ps4
>use playstation app to remotely turn on ps4 and open netflix
>either cast from netflix app on phone to ps4, or use playstation app to control ps4 ui directly
>controller stays off
>faster to find show I want (touch type on phone > on-screen keyboard)

>>377159938
>leaving controller on while watching shows
It's like you want the battery to be dead.

>>377160582
you can control the whole ps4 ui remotely from your phone, you only need the controller to play games.

>>377160638
Sorry, replied to wrong comment. Phone stuff's cool.

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>>377159654
>How is this stupid? I can use any controller I want on a PC.
Yup, you're THAT stupid.
Next time think for 2 seconds before vomiting out shit.

"Why do I have to pay Sony to get a controller on a Playstation system? Why don't they easily let me use a Microsoft controller on their system? It's almost as if they wanted more money!! INJUSTICE"

As you may have noticed, "PC" has no platform holder, thus there is no advantage to restricting peripheral use. On the contrary, it's in the best interest of those who make motherboards and OS's to be as compatible as possible so that they may sell to as many people as possible, if they weren't the competition would and those MOBAS/OSs would get a market advantage instead.

Sony / MS / Nintendo are only interested in selling their console and in you investing money into their platform (by buying any game on it, or subscriptions, etc). Controllers are just another part of that. The number of consoles that aren't sold because of controller compatibility is negligible. Not even you are going to buy or not buy any one console just because you can't you X controller on it. Even if that's the reason you won't buy one, you merely belong to an irrelevant number of people who'd do the same.

Seeing that every platform holder does this there is no pressure to open up compatibility. Even if one of the three companies did this it might not be a big enough selling point to make up for the money lost of having a near controller monopoly for your system.

>>377157025
>>377157550
>>377159090
>>377160167
>stick placement
I seriously don't get this complaint.
What game uses left stick and buttons primarily?
What game uses d-pad and right stick primarily

I love my Xbone Elite and the only difference between DS4 and Xbone lies in which one you personally find more comfortable.
except for the extra features of DS4, which are minor but exists.

>>377158357
>Hori N64 Pad
I'm mad jealous

>>377156728
Dumass you just described what essentially is a m-atx form factor gaming pc. So no that will never happen. Console developers really on making money off their over priced peripherals and APUs will always lag behind dedicated CPU+GPU setups.

But my Razer Raiju is the best controller ever anon

>>377162006
It has a sort of dated cyberpunk aesthetic to me looking at it now, I'd never noticed that before.

I think it looks better than a ds4 or 360 pad purely by the shape, but maybe the xbone pad beats it on that front.

ITT: people can't accept DS4 is the best controller ever made
>>377161804
it's shit. Buy Gamecube to N64 adapter and you'll get better results

>>377156728
What? What you're describing is clled a PC... Just use Steam big picture on a high end PC and you get exactly what you described

>>377159371
It's mostly used only by professional writers. Chinese normies just use Qwerty-based keyboards with IMEs.

>>377156728
>was more powerful than a high-end PC
This doesn't make any sense.

Why not just buy a small form-factor PC and use a PS4 controller with it in the living room just like you would a console?

>>377162441
>Stick still in the wrong place
>Dpad still segmented
>Lightbar that does nothing
The only reason Sony still insists on cramming both sticks on the bottom of the controller is because they were an afterthought for the PS1 and they couldn't be bothered to change it.

>>377156728
Literally who cares?

It still gets beaten in most games by my 5 year old 10 dolasr wireless mouse.

>>377162670
DS4 d-pack is the best d-pad ever, just buy a 39 bucks fight stick if you want to play KoF ir SFV.

>>377161608
>I seriously don't get this complaint.
>What game uses left stick and buttons primarily?
Most of them?

And the Dpad is still garbage.

>>377162778
>Most of them?
Name ten.

>>377162719
>best Dpad ever
>segmented
lolno

>>377162851
>Name ten games that use both the left stick and face buttons
Virtually every game in existence?

>>377162965
>primarily
Please read.

>>377158005
l-lewd

>>377162778
>Most of them?
Nope, most shooters are dual stick with shoulders. Face buttons are secondary inputs.
Racers usually use only one stick for steering and triggers for accelerator/brake, but even then the second stick is used more than the face buttons for looking around
Even in platformers you'll spend just as much time with your thumb on the right stick to look around than you will tapping face buttons to jump.

>>377162778
Sports games are the only ones I can think of where you might use the face buttons more than the right stick.

2d platformers too I guess but who the fuck plays those on console

>>377163002
>>377163150
>Still defending Sony's backward left stick placement
Shooters and racing games """PRIMARILY""" use sticks and shoulder buttons, that's about it. Platformers, RPGs, adventure games, puzzle games, fighting games, virtually everything else uses the stick and face buttons.

Happy now, Sony apologists? They're the only ones that do it, and again it's because analog sticks were slapped onto the PS1's controller after the N64 launched and Sony didn't bother to change it for PS2 despite the fact that it's an awful layout.

>>377157025
>LOL SYMMETRICAL STICKS
it's not like your hands are symmetrical aswell you brainwashed retard

>>377156728
>Using a mouse with 30fps.
Even 60 fps is bad.

>>377163451
>HURR SYMMETRICAL HANDS
It's not like you wanna hold the controller comfortably you cuck

>>377163442
You named genres, I asked for games.
>I promise it's backwards! Listen to me!
If I'm defending Sony, you're full force attacking and missing praying you'll be right and I don't know which one is worse.

>>377158005
Yeah this is why I have a ds4. Xbone controller is for manlets.

I'm confused as to why people prefer the Xbone layout of sticks.

I don't even own either console, I got a switch and my main problem with it is the asymmetric sticks.

When I play games, my right thumb defaults to the right analog stick because I want to always be moving and turning the camera at the same time, shoulder buttons are usually for important actions like attacking, so face buttons are generally only needed for item use or running.

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>>377163150
Then wouldn't this be the ideal layout?

>>377163629
>i'm not comfortable holding both my hands in the same position

Stockholm-syndrom-fuckboy

>>377158357
> needing six 360 controllers

>>377163718
Can't claw it. Digital triggers are better, though.

>>377163442
I don't know about you, but in my (3D) platformers, RPGs and adventure games I use the right stick to look around, and I'm doing that more often than I'm tapping face buttons

The stick placement isn't backwards, its just arbitrary. It makes literally no difference to comfort because you can just hold the controller in a way that the primary controls for each hand are comfortably reachable, and every controller is made to suit several different holding styles.
This is literally a subject for man children to quibble over, drop it

>>377163696
It's all the millenials that played their whole childhood on Xbox 360 and got brainwashed into finding that normal. It's like the video where the guy learns to ride a reverse bicyicle but can't ride normal bicyles for shit anymore.

>>377163661
>You named genres, I asked for games.
Any game in those genres, you pedantic faggot. Any fucking platformer, any adventure game, any action game.

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>>377163726
>I broke my thumb in my ass
literal faggot

>>377163718
No claw and automatically disqualified for digital triggers (why the fuck does this other anon think they're good?)

>>377163849
That's different from the millennials who spent their whole childhood playing PS2 and thinking that was normal?

>>377163451
>symmetrical bottom is better than symmetrical top

Hoho, wew lad

>>377156576
Honestly the thumb-sticks are extremely slippery.

I don't care for the triggers either

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The GOAT

>>377163963
Because analog triggers are literally only ever useful for racing games.

>>377163919
>i can only lower my right thumb but for some inexplicable (Microsoft ™) reason i can't do the same with my left thumb

>>377163793
> It makes literally no difference to comfort
It does make a difference. You're holding your thumb further away from the rest of your hand in a more unnatural position with the left stick down at the bottom, you have more precise control when it's closer. Doesn't matter as much for the right stick because you're just usually moving a camera, and I disagree I'm not using the right stick more than face buttons. Shooters should be played with a KB+M anyway, the only genres it works better for are genres better played with other input devices.

>>377163970
it's different from all the normal people that are comfortable with having both of their hands in the same position you autist

>>377156576
Agreed

>>377164070
I usually prefer it if my controller doesn't immediately make a whole genre of games almost unplayable, or at the very least severely restrict the control scheme

>>377164084
>I don't know about resting positions and how controllers should be designed in a way to allow for that to reduce strain
5 sonybucks have been deposited to your account

>>377164153
Comfortable clacking your thumbs together, too?

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>>377164084
>let me just force my thumb 2 inches lower than its normal resting position and turn my index finger into a claw
>now that's comfort!

>>377164249
>I usually prefer it if my controller doesn't immediately make a whole genre of games almost unplayable
Like any dualshock controller and virtually any 2D game that uses the Dpad?

>>377164132
If you're gripping the controller so you need to stretch your thumb it like that, you're doing it wrong.
Shuffle the controller forward in your hands (let it rest in your fingers instead of having the grip touch your palms) until your thumb naturally rests on the stick without stretching.
There you go. You can now use use the controller correctly and even access every button with a double claw if you're so inclined.

No, your fingers don't get tired and no, you won't drop it.
As an added bonus your palms won't ever get sweaty

>>377164284
Tell me a single game where you ever need to turn your camera to the right while walking to the left

>>377164670
Any game with free camera control.

>>377163870
>I could name literally any game in those genres but I won't.
I'll do that for you, then:
>platformer
Ratchet & Clank primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons
Tearaway Unfolded primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons
>adventure game
Horizon Zero Dawn primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons
Uncharted primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons
The Last Guardian primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons
>action game
Bloodborne primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons
Killzone primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons
Gravity Rush 2 primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons
Infamous primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons
Nioh primarily uses sticks, shoulder buttons more common than face buttons

>>377164269
>my resting position is exactly the same as everbody elses
>The entire planet has my hands

>>377164559
>Like any dualshock controller and virtually any 2D game that uses the Dpad?
What?
Did you even think this through before posting?
2d games work fine on dualshock

I'm curious how people are holding PS controllers that they find them uncomfortable. I imagine they're the same people that hold controllers in a fucking death grip and get sweat all over them like a fucking retard.

>>377164483
>literally "grabbing anything ever"-motion

>>377161104
You are completely right, consoles are mirco-monopolistic garbage.

>>377164249
Like that bottom d-pad?

>>377164732
Oops, sorry. Just copied and pasted. Shoulder buttons aren't more common than face buttons in Tearaway Unfolded and probably not in the last guardian (not sure, haven't played it yet). Sticks still used more than face buttons.

>>377164635
>If you're gripping the controller so you need to stretch your thumb it like that, you're doing it wrong.
That's how it's shaped, I can't not hold it like that.

Make a fist and rest your thumb on the side of your index finger, like Bill Clinton giving a thumbs-up. Now move your thumb as far right as you can, and hold it there.

That is the difference between resting your thumb on a controller with the left stick in the proper place and resting it on the left stick using one of Sony's abortions. One is a natural resting state, the other is not.

>>377164721
nice non-answer

>>377164775
>I've recently arrived on this planet

>>377164732
>adventure game
>Horizon Zero Dawn

That's not an adventure game.

>>377164953
>like Bill Clinton giving a thumbs-up
This made me laugh, and I don't know why. Pretty sure I'm missing some sort of joke here.

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>>377164559
>we are living in an age of such strong fanboyism that people think Dualshock controllers have bad D-pads

>>377165065
>Horizon Zero Dawn
That's not a game
Fixed it for you

>>377165065
I wasn't supposed to name games, but at least I try.

>>377164813
And they work better than "fine" on a controller with a proper Dpad. In fact, they work great!

>>377165194
>a controller with a proper Dpad

Like what, for example?

>>377165191
Well if you can't even properly identify and categorize games in their corresponding genres why should I take your insight into controller ergonomics seriously?

Would just like to use this thread to express my utmost disgust for people who use the claw grip, people who ue any other grip that isn't normal, people with constantly disgusting, sweaty hands, people whose controllers get absolutely disgustingly dirty from their disgusting, unwashed hands, people who play inverted, people who button mash in general ever, people who are obnoxiously loud while playing with a controller because they can't control their retard-strength.

That is all

>>377165092
Always did. Only Nintendo and Sega ever got it right, and even then Nintendo's latest are pretty garbage.

>>377165092
They aren't bad, just the worst of everything available. Kinda like every tiny nip handed Sony controller

>>377165289
Almost any Nintendo controller, Xbone pad, basically any controller with a Dpad that's not segmented or floating, like the 360 and XB Dpads.

>>377156576
I agree. And i used to love the xbox controller when i was young. But for some reason know, using a xbox controller "hurts" my hands.

>>377165359
It's controller-hitler. Good for me that you can't gas my hands.

>>377165332
I don't know if I want to discuss controllers with someone who can't name a single game.
I don't even know why a person who can't name a single game would be on a board about video games.

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>>377164875
and without them we wouldn't have a gaming market.

aren't you glad?
Just be sure not to bite the hand that feeds you.

>>377157523
>I agree that DS4 is by far the best controller of all time
But the DS2 is objectively better than anything before or after it.

>>377165092
I've always thought they had bad Dpads, this isn't new.

>>377165332
nigga you got absolutely BTFOed so bad, you really shouldn't be posting in this thread anymore

>>377165514
>spoonfeed me even though you already cited entire genres that encompass thousands of games

>>377165534
My nigga!

>Pressure sensitive shoulder buttons that aren't trigger shaped

Patrician as fuck.

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How do you want your battery life?

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>>377164953
>I can't not hold it like that
Do you have some kind of disability?

Look at pic related, cradle the controller with your fingers instead of gripping with your palm and you can access the sticks perfectly. The shape of the controller suits this just as much as the palm grip

>>377165534
>same shitty layout
>digital triggers
lolno

>>377165671
That's fucking stupid.

>>377165637
>encompass thousands of games I literally can't name
I already named 10 games that uses both sticks more than face buttons. I don't know what's so hard.
If there are thousands of games in those genres I'm SURE you can name some. I'll lower it to seven.

>>377165719
>DS2
>digital triggers
Spot the retard

>>377165671
That's how I hold it, faggot. And it's not as comfortable as having the stick closer to the rest of your hand, in a more natural resting position.

>>377165741
>Holding it the right way is fucking stupid
>My retarded way is the right way now let me tell you about how much it hurts

Fucking end it.

>>377165719
DS2 had analog triggers. Literally, all of the buttons were analog.

>>377157025
Idk what you're on about but asymmetrical sticks make the ball of my right index finger sore after a while. Wii pro and xbone controllers.

>>377165671
>Hold it like this to replicate how you hold other controllers because the sticks are way the fuck down here
Thanks for proving the point, I guess?

>>377165825
Do you hold bananas by the tips of your fingers, too?

>>377165651

Kill yourself if you're seriously GAYMIN for 10 hours+ in one sitting. It's fucking pathetic. If you're that worried about the fucking battery life, spend the extra 4$ on amazon for a 15 foot USB cable. It's not even an issue at this point.

>>377165810
Make a loose claw with your hand.
Look at the resting position of your thumb.
That's exactly where the stick is on a dualshock when using the finger grip.

>>377165741
Excellent argument

>>377165852
The PS2 shoulder buttons are still worse because they're buttons and not actual triggers, despite being analog.

>>377165995
>10 hours+ battery life
This is what sony ponies actually believe

>>377166013
Thank you. It's retarded to design something meant to be held, but not meant to ever touch your palms.

>>377166038
They're actually better because you don't have to press at 90 fucking degrees to get a full press and if you're not a hamfisted retard with it you can get the same sensitivity out of them. DS2 is objectively the best Sony controller. Any other answer is wrong.

>>377165902
>Hold it like this to replicate how you hold other controllers because the sticks are way the fuck down here
What? Even children still successfully access all the controls on dualshock, how small do your hands need to be to be able to use the sticks but not the other controls correctly?

>>377158915
will ps4 add a upvote button like the facebook like button?

>>377156576
If the PS5 is fully backwards-compatible to the PS4 i'm 100% buying one.

If it isn't backwards-compatible i'm 100% NOT buying one. I'm not going to tolerate another Dragon's Dogma situation.

>>377166038
Get load of this retard caveman who can only mash shit at full fucking force. DS2 has nice smooth analog control, with a quick and short travel time for a full press.

>>377166179
But you lose that range between, racing games for example are better with the actual trigger.

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>>377165651
Eternal, thank you, just like my xbone and wii u pro controllers!

>>377165171
A lot of games aren't games?

>>377166165
>It's retarded to design something meant to be held, but not meant to ever touch your palms.
What arbitrary judgement is this?
You're not chopping down a tree with your dualshock, you're pressing buttons on it. You don't need the extra grip of your palm.

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Fuck corporations comrades!!!

We should learn to make our own controllers from wood and other organic materials. Anyone started DIY controllers yet?

>>377166217
Children also smear their own shit all over the walls.

>people complaining about the stick placement
I literally never heard of this before coming to /v/. What sort of deformed hands do you have that you can't comfortably use the analog sticks?

>>377166334
Racing games are better with the DS2 anyways because your buttons are pressure sensitive and most of the time you're not using triggers but the buttons so that's not actually an argument.

>>377166440
It's a "everything the brand I dislike does is bad" type of situation. Don't worry about it.

>>377165957
You're the only one in this thread that has to hold bananas for more than a few minutes, you alley-dick-gobbling microcock

>>377166217
>>377166371
>Y-y-you just have small hands!
>Y-y-you don't NEED to actually hold it!
lol

>>377166371
Every single other controller is designed to be gripped with your palm. Sony just made their shit an ergonomic nightmare if you try to hold their controller like literally anything else.

>>377166436
What kind of fucking childhood did you have?

I bet your mom told you every kid has to go to therapy

>>377166341
Actually, yeah.

>>377166440
This.

I like Playstation controllers the best, but seriously no controller except for some retarded Nintendo ideas have been uncomfortable. Any PS or Xbox controller is perfectly comfortable to use, and people saying otherwise have to be holding them like fucking morons.

>>377156728
>Is there ever gonna be a console that is a high end PC?

Fucking retards on this board man.

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I don't get concave analog sticks. Am assuming I am supposed to put my thumb in the dent, but it feels uncomfortable to me when the stick is anywhere but the neutral position. I have always moved the sticks by rolling my thumb over it rather than pushing it. Now ever controller has a pot hole in the stick that apples extra pressure on my thumb and makes the motion less smooth.

>>377166567
>This controller is trash because I can't grip it properly
>"Here try this much better grip"
>NO IT HAS TO TOUCH MY PALMS REEEEEEEE
lol

>>377166663
Is it possible to just replace DS4 sticks with some old DS3 sticks?

The usb port is garbage though, I love everything else about it though

>>377166571
>Finger grip best for dual sticks
>Palm grip for d-pad & face buttons
Not hard to understand, and it covers most bases. Games that use only one stick and face buttons as primary inputs are a small minority

>>377157582
Yes. It very much does. You can dim it but it never really goes away. And it would at least be bearable if I could pick what color it uses, but no. The color is tied to what account it is on the console, so red is account 3 and green is account 4 etc.

>>377160137
This and the inability to turn off the ps camera light are my only complaints

>>377167116
Only in the PS4 UI, otherwise the game controls the color

>>377166752
I just did a search and apparently you can. Thanks for asking the right question to make me realize the answer to my problem.

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>>377166651
You're very young, aren't you? Consoles were more powerful than the strongest PC as late as 2005 when the XBOX 360 released with its one-of-a-kind 3-core CPU that obliterated every desktop CPU in benchmarks.

It's not like that any more, but it conceivably could be, if the OEMs focused on it.

>not using Gamesir G3

>Battery lasts 3 hours
>Thumbpads wear out fast even by casual standards
>Isn't even as comfortable as the 360/One controller

It's better than the DS3, but it's nowhere near "perfect".

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>>377166936
Perhaps a visual aid will be of some assistance.

PROTIP: If you have to explain how there's "different grips" for fucking holding a goddamned controller, maybe, just MAYBE, it's not all that well-designed and you're trying to rationalize and justify poor design.

>>377167493
360 and ps3's GPUs were only barely above average in 2005, and they were decidedly low end by 2006/7

>>377167739
>Playing one handed
>Right

What is he playing, DoA Extreme Beach Volleyball?

>>377167739
>only shows one hand on xbone controller
Good job.

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>>377167828
>360 and ps3's GPUs were only barely above average in 2005,

I just finished explaining to you, my 14-year-old friend who was shitting in diapers in 2005, that that is not the case.

xbone controller is the best controller ive used
way better build quality than ds4 which sucks dick especially for fighting games

wish i could use my xbone controller for tekken since ps4 prob gonna be tourney standard

>>377167493
The gap was much smaller before, no question, but consoles weren't more powerful than PCs. That's why they existed in the first place, to be affordable alternatives that could sell more software to more people.

>>377167739
Pro-tip: if you struggle to naturally adjust your hand position to best suit a game's control scheme, consider seeing a doctor. The other 50+ million PS4 owners manage it fine.

You're so desperately scrambling for reasons to criticise the controller it's hilarious. I only had to explain because you were being deliberately obtuse.

>>377168012
>but consoles weren't more powerful than PCs.

Except they LITERALLY were and you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>377168012
Consoles existed to be a cheaper alternative than having an arcade cabinet in your home. Retard.

>>377167941
Sorry pops but you are incorrect.
Ps3's gpu was an old generation nvidia abortion they pooped out in a short time schedule and the 360's gpu was only 40-50% more powerful than that. Yeah the consoles CPUs were pretty good but the GPUs definitely not. Better than PS4/bone launch, but not great either.

Go and look it up, I'll wait

>>377168173
It's not comfortable, it's less precise.

There's a reason literally everyone but Sony has their controllers laid out that way.

PROTIP: It's because it's better and more ergonomic.

>>377168191
No, they weren't. Now proceed to tell me how much older you are than I am.

>>377168710
It's because Sony were too lazy to redesign their controller when analog sticks became a thing.

>>377156728
and also it can play nintendo, playstation, xbox, and pc games

>>377168794
Exactly, I told him that twice already but he keeps insisting it's not ass-backward design and that if you hold the controller THIS way and cup it with your palms not touching it and don't actually hold it, it's GREAT!

The Dpad is segmented because they didn't want it to look just like Nintendo's despite it being functionally better, too.

>>377157025
Sticks are supposed to be symmetrical.

>>377168406
And what were arcade cabinets?

Specialized PCs in a fucking cabinet. Games didn't start in arcades, they started on PCs.

>>377168710
>It's not comfortable, it's less precise
Sorry but no. I've provided evidence showing you otherwise and your reply is just restating your opinion as fact.
Both stick placements are just as precise and just as ergonomic as each other, only requiring slightly different grips.
Sorry that fact makes you so mad, get over it

>>377168997
Use a KB+M if you're playing a shooter, moron.

Uncharted 4 scared me more than RE7 or any other horror shit with the accidental fire. I rest my fingers on those buttons and sometimes I unconciously apply just a tiny bit of pressure. Had like 10 mini heart attacks throughout the game

The shoulder buttons are definitely a problem. Watching a video and then laying down the controller fucks everything up too

>>377169070
They weren't personal by any definition.

>>377169168
>I've provided evidence
Oh yes, you telling me to hold-it-but-not-hold-it was very convincing.

I could do that, or I could just use a different controller that works well all the time without "requiring slightly different grips" because they're not poorly designed turds that need accommodating like that.

>>377168946
Your whole argument revolves around you autistically insisting that you won't hold your controller any other way, you're retarded

>>377165671
So this is where the handlet controller meme comes from

>>377169375
Just don't death grip it like somebody who fell on their head as a child and you'll be fine.

>>377169375
If your choice of controller is affected by your inability to work out a comfortable way to hold it, maybe find a different hobby, something like smashing rocks together sounds more like your thing

>>377169490
>>377169658
>b-b-but autism!
lol

Again, If you have to jump through hoops and do these mental gymnastics to explain how I'm holding the controller wrong and I ACKSHUALLY need to hold it THIS way to compensate for the terrible layout, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, it's a poorly-designed controller.

>>377169893
>If your choice of controller is affected by your inability to work out a comfortable way to hold it,
See, that only applies to Sony controllers, because they're uncomfortable.

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>>377156576
>symetrical sticks
>terrible triggers
>big led light
>bad positioning of start/select
>2 hrs battery life

>>377170058
There are no hoops to jump through, there is a comfortable way to hold offset stick controllers, and a comfortable way to hold symmetrical stick controllers. Your whole vice boils down to
>I wannuh use my offset grip on a symmetrical controller

Would you pick up a machete and complain because you can't weild it correctly with your longsword grip?
No, you would just adjust your grip like a normal fucking person.

You are just trying to strech as far as you can to snipe against the dualshock, but sorry, your point isn't valid

>>377170526
>there is a comfortable way to hold offset stick controllers
Yeah, it's called returning it and buying a better controller.

Sega Controller:
>You just hold it
Nintendo controller:
>You just hold it
Microsoft controller:
>You just hold it
Sony controller:
>Well, you need to position your palms this way, so they're not touching the grips, then you need your fingers over here to claw it, then you need to hold your thumbs this way...

>>377170526
>offset sticks
The fact that you even call it this just confirms it's a non-standard layout.

>>377170781
You just hold a dualshock. It was only explained to you because you were either playing dumb for the sake of argument or you genuinely are that moronic.

>>377170971
See, I tried that, and I find them uncomfortable and not as ergonomic as competing brands.

You then told me I was ACKSHUALLY holding it wrong, so which is it?

Do I just hold it and pretend it's not terrible, or do I need to compensate for the sticks you yourself describe as "offset", meaning not standard or normal?

>>377171226
Well I'm glad you finally came out and admitted to indeed being that moronic.
I genuinely feel for you, it must be hard not having the spacial reasoning to hold something without death gripping it.

[Spoiler]by the way, offset refers to the OFFSET sticks of an Xbox controller, SYMMETRICAL (as in symmetry, get it?) Refers to the mirrored layout of the dualshock. Fucking mongoloid.

>>377171680
>Can't even spoiler properly

>offset refers to the OFFSET sticks of an Xbox controller,
Yes, the normal layout that it's offsetting.

>>377163527
60fps is still the standard. The majority of the PC market is still using 60htz monitors, or locking to 60 to play at a higher resolution.