Is this the most underwhelming arc in the game? Literally feels

Yeah I was expecting something but all you got was Makoto saying "he confessed lol."

>>377121883

Even when you defeat his shadow in the palace. He doesn't even sound like he feels any remorse or guilt. It's weird.

>>377121772
They tried to throw some characterization with the "I got shit on too" stuff but it was only there for you to get Makoto and show that Palaces can defy physics.

The phantom thieves would have amounted to nothing if they didn't tackle him.

They only tried to give him some depth at the very end but it was done in a half-assed manner so there was no reason to give a shit at all.

No. The 5th arc is.

The 3rd is pretty good because Makoto. It's actually where the game gets more difficult because of assholes with no weakness and resist physical.

At least be had coolest palace

>>377121772
Spaceport.

>>377121772

Madarame is hands down the worst arc.

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Makoto ruined the entire game.

Literally not a single compelling boss or antagonist in this

>>377123492
That at least had the typical Act 2 story thing of the heroes falling on hard times after riding high on their successes.

>>377121772
I liked that they went after an actual mobster and shut down a drug ring. He was just a pawn in the long run but it felt like an important escalation in the Phantom Thieves being justice for society.

>>377123607
Seriously. Big baddie had the dumbest plot just so he can become prime minister. Doesn't even seem like a big deal other than he's killing off nerds. He doesn't even seem like he'd be a bad prez

>>377121772
Just finished the game, I had completely forgotten about him so yeah...

>>377123913
Honestly, people complain about the pacing of this game, but its pretty rock solid how the PT's arc goes.

>>377121772

It had the best palace music tho

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>>377121772
Kaneshiro was supposed to be a wacky hip hop talking fat guy but surprisingly he was boring. And I know everyone will disagree but I found Makoto and her arc the most boring things in the game aside from Haru.

Kamoshida > Shido/Akechi > Sae > Wakaba > Okumura > Madarame > Kaneshiro

Okumura at least had some cool space visuals and tried to be challenging unlike the other dungeons. And has the big bang burger attack. The Wakaba story was the most personal and had the best build up to an awakening. Madarame's palace also had cool visuals and the fact that Yusuke's mom was Sayuri all along was great. Kaneshiro's story was really bland and forgettable compared to almost everything in the game. Except for the bad end with Makoto, that's some dire shit sexy shit

>>377123605
what the fuck

who would make this

>>377124221
I love his palace, bank heist and that music shift when you go into the vault is great.

>>377123913
The worst part is just how obvious it is that something wrong is going to happen the moment the popularity meter shows up. October in general is just awful in this regard, but at least the rest of the game doesn't feel that bad.

>>377121772
That's because the contact with that person and his defeat are literally from point A to B.

Guy gets introduced, threatens you and then you steal his treasure,l. Both Madarame and Kaneshiro have already established relationships with people from the group.

Riuji Already hated Kaneshiro's guts and is being a cunt for multiple days to you until the climax comes around and
you directly confront him about the harassment.

Madarame already knew Yusuke and show's his true form until later on. When you're close to stealing his treasure he then proceeds to let you in on the secret that he actually let Yusuke's mother die.

That fat fuck was a one way ticket with no relationship to the rest of the group whatsoever either, which is logical but I quess that's realistic.

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>>377121772
Probably because they changed the character arc during development, considering that Makoto replaced Hifumi as a companion

>>377123607
This.
They tried to make akechi interesting but he exposition dumps all over your goddamn ass and dies 5 seconds after.

>>377124290
>Castle
>Museum
>Bank
>Tomb
>Casino
>Cruise Ship
>Prison
>And a robot space port

Okumura is objectively the worst. It has nothing to do with Phantom Thieves

>>377123607
Kamoshida was plenty compelling. They characterized him as a scumbag very well.

Everything after Kamoshida sucked. It was all downhill from there.

>>377123432
>The 3rd is pretty good because Makoto.
This is one of the reasons why it's the worst, she completely ruins the group dynamic.
>It's actually where the game gets more difficult
Umm no, this is where the game's difficulty jumps off a cliff because of how broke most of the confidant abilities are, Madarame was the last thing that resembled any sort of challenge.

>Makoto
>Nuclear becoming prevalent
>Resist/Null Physical
>Drain/Reflect finally added in the mix [unlike SMTIV:A where they show up like 90% into the game]
>Math puzzles
It was a good palace, just the villain himself was poorly executed.

>>377125417
He was just a standard forgettable douchebag

>>377123605

DELET THUS

No, the space palace was even worse

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Two questions RQ I just had my showdown with Akechi after that bosslike gauntlet and I got fucked up good.

First, Should I send the calling card immediately? I'm trying to max out the few social links I can in the remaining 3 weeks, I even got to this point in 1 in game day in the cruise ship.

2nd is, Do you still get a token for akechi and Sae going into NG+ so I can make meta and such? Thanks

>>377125596
>Angels blasting you with Hama
>Oni both constant threat that becomes a blessing with brainwash
>Midboss fights with the Ongyo-ki's goons

All the dungeons were great in this game.

The boss fight was total shit. Thinking back, only kamoshida had nice mechanics.

>>377124939

>not paying attention to the story

>>377123605
Nice, I hope someone makes a doujin of Makoto getting trained to be a sex slave and then sold off.

>>377124290
Yes

>>377124764
Hifumi seems more like an alt Yusuke and her mom would be alt-Madarame.

>>377123432
>It's actually where the game gets more difficult because of assholes with no weakness and resist physical.
Tech attacks make these people a joke.

>>377125547
>she completely ruins the group dynamic
Explain

>>377126725
>Doujins
>non-mobage in this day and age

I can see it happening but the doujin will have shit offmodel art or be disappointing and short

>>377124704
Thats Komoshida faggot

>>377123432
>It's actually where the game gets more difficult because of assholes with no weakness and resist physical.
No, it's where it dies because you get access to Shiki Ougi.

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>>377123605
t.Sae

>>377126551
>First, Should I send the calling card immediately? I'm trying to max out the few social links I can in the remaining 3 weeks
There's no problem sending it right now, actually, some people from your team (if not all) won't be available as long as the calling card isn't sent.

>>377123607
I liked not-YHVH and having to fight archangels during his final climb.

>>377126997
All the focus completely moves to her, she's always the one coming up with the plans or doing the talking and it drastically shifts the focus away from other characters like Yusuke for example pretty much becomes entirely irrelevant for the rest of the game.
She's pretty much the biggest example of a Mary Sue, it's no wonder the game couldn't recover after Kaneshiro's.

>>377129708
Not that anon but I agree.

Morgana is my favorite character and he used to be the one that lead the group and came up with all the plans. That job then shifts to Makoto and you almost never hear him talk anymore. It's honestly a shame.

I really like Makoto too, though, so I'm glad she's in the game, but I think they could have handled her and Morgana's role in the group a bit better, rather than what we have now where she basically pushes him out completely, with Futaba being the nail in the coffin just 1 dungeon later.

>>377130748
One problem is how early she's introduced whereas Naoto was sort of the same character as her in 4 in that she tied everything together she was the last party member you get so her dominance didn't take away from everyone else but with Makoto she comes at the beginning of the game and like you said Futaba coming up next pretty much killed off Ryuji, Ann and Yusuke and then Haru is too late to matter.

>>377124290
>and tried to be challenging
But it ended up being tedious instead. Fuck the ID cards, not even the airlocks can top that shit.

Anyone else feel the ending was incredibly forced? The past like, 3 hours of the game kinda make it feel kinda shit. Doesn't help none of the bosses were this grand epic battle compared to Nyx who had a bunch of different forms, etc.

Akechi's character seemed incredibly rushed before he died and was a ripoff Adachi.

>>377126593
I'd argue the Ship was pretty poor, but that's just because it seemed to drag on forever for me.

>>377130994
I think the biggest problem is that the game shot itself in the foot with how it introduced party members. It just HAS to introduce 1 new member per dungeon, every time. Haru and Akechi get screwed over because of how late into the game they join due to this rule. It's also way too predictable. This was my first persona game and right after I got Yusuke I already saw the pattern, and sure enough it repeated every time.

I think it would have benefited greatly from introducing all the characters earlier, and come up with new creative ways for them to join. Hell Akechi should have joined when you around the time you first make him a confidant. His reasoning for joining during the sixth palace makes sense (got the app, tried it out a month ago, already awakened to his Persona, do it or he'll rat you out) so just have that same reason for him to join way back then. That way we would at least would have gotten 2 characters in a chapter to speed things up a bit.

>>377129708
She's literally the Mary of this game.

>>377126551
You get a token from Sae, but not Akechi. Sae's is completely useless since her link doesn't do anything, and Akechi's would also be useless.

>mafia boss, with drugs and shit
>even the olympic medal teacher had more about him than mafia boss
>says stuff that shit happened to him
>no background about it

After wasting so much time opening vaults, I expected more from this palace, but nope.

>>377123605
What I am feeling is that if they mixed every female character in the gang, except for Futaba, into a female character we wouldnt miss much.
I mean, Makoto and Ann's s.link are the same shit about their fucking friend instead of themselves.

>>377125482
This. Kamoshida's was the only arc where it felt like P-studio was firing on all cylinders. It was just a really well paced school drama sprinkled with little animu cutscenes, and it was exciting to recruit Ryuji and Ann because they have this genuine hatred for him that doesn't feel far fetched.

Then as the game takes off, the antags become cartooney disney villains of the day, the dungeon design never improves, Makoto and Futaba take the spotlight away from everyone, they botch akechi despite so much buildup, and the story becomes preachier than even the worst Tales games.

Would the score for this game be as high as it is, if reviewers actually managed to complete it?

>>377134153
So Symphonia on crack

>>377135832
Basically. The preachiness in particular gets so bad in P5, its the worst kind of cancer that plagues jrpg writing.

>>377126725
>Makoto getting trained to be a sex slave
Yes, good.

>and then sold off.
God damn it, no. Why does every doujin featuring a guy training a girl to be his own personal cumdump always end with him selling her off and/or letting a bunch of other guys use her?

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>nail down the first two Palaces, with neat locales/puzzles, and actually having to leave the Palace to do something outside/progress
>shit you mean we gotta make more?
>shitty Combo/Key puzzles the Palace
>completely forgettable Pyramid
>shitty Conveyor/Tower puzzles + jumpjet puzzles
>lame casino games/backtracking for switches
>fucking barren Palace with the AWFUL locked door/rat filler areas to pad the dungeon

Most were forgivable. But the fucking lucked door/rat statue shit was garbage.

Granted they were all better than P4 dungeons, but that's not saying much. Especially with such a massive gap between games to improve.

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>Morgana mentions pancakes
>Akechi walks around the corner, introduces himself, and then mentions the pancakes he overheard
>Nobody questions this

Fucking Personas

>>377137562
>baiting this hard
>le pretend face you knew or weren't already spoiled/had common sense to know Akechi was the 'traitor'

How are my prospects looking for maxing every confidant in Persona 5?

It's 9/4

I have
Fool 8
Magician 7
Priestess 5
Emperor 5
Hiero 3
Lovers MAX
Chariot MAX
Justice 3
Hermit 1
Fortune 3
Strength 3
Hanged 4
Death 8
Temper 8
Devil 4
Star 4
Moon 6
Sun MAX
Judge 3

My Social Stats are

Knowledge 4
Guts 4
Proficiency 3
Kindness 3
Charismatic 4

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>>377137498
I liked the binary and slide puzzles in the pyramid. Also figuring out the passcodes in the bank. The rat area and casino can fuck itself though, but I forgive the casino a little bit just because I'm a sucker for fight tournaments.

>>377137829
you have like till december so you should have plenty of time I think.

>>377137671
How is that bait? Are you retarded? Why do you type like that?

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>>377137562
>talk about the phantom thieves in the acessway
>all that people going through
>keep chatting casually about that and mafia mobs
>go to phones and chat about being phantom thieves
>never thinking someone could trace that

>>377137562

I didn't even notice anything wrong with that conversation until Morgana pointed it out during the reveal.

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>>377138960
>"HEY JOKER ISN'T THIS LIKE THAT TIME WE CRASHED THE JAPANESE ECONOMY BY CONFUSING SOME BOSS SHADOW IN MEMENTOS FOR 14 HOURS"
>!?
>"Crazy kids"
>"PHEW THAT WAS CLOSE"

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>>377137829
Fortune and Maid, ASAP.

I'd said Fortune>Maid.

There's only a few times you get to fuck off in class. And by then your stats will likely be close to being maxed or you'll be out of books.

The massage, I dunno. Personally I only needed it once or twice a Mission. You often can't get one after you finish the Palace and have to SCHLEEP. And I'd only ever do Mentos once maybe twice. So once for getting to treasure, second for doing the Mentos requests.

Fortune is priceless. You need to figure out who isn't ready to level up yet, and even on days you don't see them get a reading done.

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>>377138046
>Thor buffs himself up for da big one
>1-shots on hard
>round 2
>Thor buffs himself up for da big one
>1-shot reflects himself

>>377137829
Get Fortune to 7 asap, she then gets a tarot reading that allows you to give +1 affection to anyone so that you can skip the times where going with a confidant doesn't rank him/her up. Same for Temperance, get it to 10 asap so that you still have your evenings when you go to a palace/Mementos.

And don't forget to go get her stats gain up tarot reading when you're about to do something that should increase one of your stats. Same with the plant in the attic, buy the fertilizer in Shinjuku for +3 kindness every two weeks (I'm saying that because your kindness stats seems pretty low) and the +1 to a stat juice sold every sunday in the underground.

Kaneshiro didn't really appear enough and he didn't have any sort of connection with the group, but he was the first one that felt like a real, dangerous threat. The fact that the bad end if you don't meet his deadline is probably the darkest in the game, with Makoto getting abducted, drugged up and whored out, solidifies that.

Okumura is far more underwhelming. The gang never even has a face-to-face confrontation with him (aside from Haru of course), and the stakes have no bearing on any of the group other than Haru. I guess that's part of the point, since Okumura was supposed to be them losing sight of their goals. But given that he was still a prick who was more than a worthy target of getting his heart changed, it wasn't terribly effective at conveying that.

>>377124939
Why does this meme get pushed so much

>>377139372
I had just fused Siggy from maxing out the STR confidant, I wish he had repel instead of null now. Still was a DBZ power up fight, I loved it.

>>377139251
>>377139436
Thanks, guys!

>>377126848
Get ready for that in the crimson version

>>377134153
>hey botch akechi despite so much buildup
Do they fuck. Refuse to believe that anybody clocked on that the whole of the PT knew that he was the traitor, it was a genuinely surprising twist

>>377139619
I like Okumura's dungeon, I thought the recurring enemies are neat and how they build up to the boss with the entire employee army. I like having to watch out for Grimhelka's usually reflect bullshit. I like the classic SMT one way door puzzles. I like how Okumura tries to bale on the heist and you have to chase him down.

But all the other dungeons of the game do fit a theme of places thieves would be robbing (or breaking out of in the last dungeon), except for the space station

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>>377139436
Also remember some Confidants need high stats to start/finish(level 4/5).

And that some Confidants actually give out Stats for doing them. So if you're low in a stat you need, you can focus on that one for a bit.

You should never 'hang out' with anyone and should only spend time if you're going to level up.

So right now I'd focus on Fortune to 7, and spend your afternoons raising stats.
Diner is good for Int/one other stat.

Nights at Burger Joint for loadsa Guts(can do during day but costs more).

Baths on Mon/Thurs(?) for extra stats(You can savescum to avoid 'passing out' and only getting guts, might take a few tries).

And as he said Juice on Sunday is random +1 for 5,000(can spend extra money at Fortune Teller for +2[just check the drink's stat, go to fortune teller and buy buff, then go back and drink it).

Also you can read the Movie Buff book to get more from seeing movies. I was using Movies around where you were at to raise certain stats.

>>377140176

And on rainy days helps more in some stats, like in the baths or studing in the diner with hot coffee.

>Makoto

Did she even noticed that you carry a fucking cat to school?

>>377121772
>He doesn't like dealing out vigilante justice on the streets of Shibuya

>>377123432
>The 3rd is pretty good because Makoto.

>Don't worry guys, I have a plan to meet with this dangerous mob boss
>HEY DUDE TAKE ME TO YOUR BOSS
>Yes I will absolutely get into a car alone with a gang member to go to a den of sin
>Wait, how did this go so wrong? Why didn't he just listen to me?

Yeah, sure. Makoto really made it great.

>>377141063
I was walking through Shinjuku on my way to the Robot Restaurant and I saw vigilante justice.

It's like Shibuya but less lame and it has more blimps.

Never seen a blimp before!

>>377121772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsYesHR5xXM

>>377137498
>There are actually people who dislike Futaba's Tomb and Sae's Casino
What's it like being legitimately retarded?

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>>377141202
>Group then makes her the leader
Makoto really does JUST the game.

Persona 5 is just a safe carbon copy of Persona 4, I was expecting more after waiting such a long time for it. Makoto and Naoto are both characters we're supposed to believe are smart but first enter the party by being gigantic retards. I guess Naoto is still stupider than Makoto, though.

>>377141659
Does what?

>>377141382
P5 Fes when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWQZsaCz9Qk

>>377126725
Already happened, gets knocked up and becomes a gyaru.

>>377141708
haha yeah man remember in Persona 4 when MC got beat up by the police and that girl got raped and tried to kill herself

>>377141901
>Joker spinning and shootin' because he's so baller.
I'm down for it.

>>377141708
>Makoto: what is computers. I don't understand much of that area. What is like arcade gaming. What? You can be traced by hackers on phones? We should be more careful guizes

Nah, is just the level of being a genius or smart on videogames.

>>377141972
At least people actually died in P4.

>>377142307
More people die in 5 than 4.

>>377142307
Okimura, the principal, and the SIU director all die. The psychotic break downs end in death. And those are just the ones that get screen time.

>>377142307
>>377142363
To clarify, people near the gang like their classmate and teacher. It felt a lot more real rather than politician x. Haru's dad barely counts.

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>>377141563
They were worse than 1st and 2nd Palaces.

The backtracking for the Switches, and Casino games weren't fun.

It had no mechanics except the actual games.

Pyramid was completely forgettable because of the awkward story pacing with Futaba/no clear Villain with Medjes.

>people dont agree with me. REEE RETARD REEE

>>377142237
I mean, with the phone part she was actually right. The problem is they kept using it.

They were never going to get caught because LEL YALDY anyways, though..

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>>377142467
>all that setup for Director
>gets jobbed

That's when it truly started to set in just how bad the last act was gonna be.

>>377141708

It really did feel like I was playing Persona 4 and 3 all over again. Same final boss shtick, replace Ikutsuki/Adachi with Akechi, quirky mascot character, new transfer student in a new town etc... The character motivations and themes may be different but it's all the same shit.

>>377142590
>Casino games weren't fun.
The Dark House was the only good part of any dungeon past Madarame's.

>>377142534
Fucking Morooka? Really? The only one you might have a point for is the girl Yosuke liked. Also, Akechi is heavily implied to have died.

>>377142859
The very long exposition scene with Akechi and Shido going YES YES WE ARE THE BAD GUYS THIS IS OUR HISTORY was easily the worst scene in the game. I liked all the shit with Yaldy though, just because he's Personas YHVH and fighting archangels will never not be rad.

>>377142951
and the thing is Persona 4 at least has the excuse of only being in development for a year and a half. Persona 5 had a 4 year development time and they had 4 more on top of it to think of something ANYTHING ELSE they could have used in this game. But no, just a retread again.

>>377143021
>He thinks Akechi is dead

How naive can you possibly be? Lmao.

>>377141563
Futaba's dungeon was really bad. The puzzles were awful, the music was bad, and the boss was a garbage gimmick boss. Okumura's had the same issues but at least sci-fi crap is a lot more interesting to look at.

>>377143021
He's their homeroom teacher they interact with on a daily basis. He's an asshole, but he's a constant in their lives, and it really shook them that he died.

Also how could you possibly believe Akechi is dead? Rule #1 of anime deaths is if you don't see the body, that nigga ain't dead. The likelihood they're alive increases with how attractive they are and their relevance in the story.

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>>377143136
Well now that he's most popular in Japan, the new and improved version sure as shit is gonna have him live. Fucking nips.

Persona exists to make Atlus money. If you want actual good games play literally anything else they make. Mainline SMT, other spinoffs or EO. Just stay away from Persona.

>>377143218
>the music was bad
Objectively, patently and metaphysically wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsP0N3iFuwI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn3eC0NThY0
Best dungeon music only behind Price.

>>377143249
Persona 4 was more of a "sudden tragedies in our happy fun times" sort of deal whereas Persona 5s cast has more focus on the main party getting shitty deals out of life. Both work for different reasons, so they're still not really safe carbon copies of each other.

>>377143394
YOU MEAN A PRODUCT EXISTS TO MAKE A COMPANY MONEY?!

>>377143415
>They uploaded that on Mothers day

Sad

>>377143021
>Fucking Mooroka? Really?
Nigga fuck off he was number one

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>>377143310
Reminder that if you fail Shido's palace ghost Akechi arrests you.

>>377143415
It was a snoozefest. It gave no sense of urgency and played the same ten second loop on repeat for the entirety of the dungeon. The only music worse than that was the mementos music.

>>377121772
bad ending is worth it

>>377143985
This better be real or you're gonna get rest tonight.

>>377143985
Ghost Akechi starring produced directed by Beat Takechi.

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>>377144043
>makoto is drugged up and fucked so hard that th only thing she can say is your name.

I wish Sae actually reacted to hearing these things different, even if they're obviously just hallucinations by the MC caused by the drugs. On a side note I think the whole interrogation thing that the game keeps going back to ruins any tension or mystery the game might have. You KNOW going in that something out of the ordinary is going to happen to Okumura, so seeing him get shot by Akechi is no surprise. The only good thing we got out of the interrogation scenes is Sae trying to justify how each of your confidants aided the Phantom Thieves.

>You must have had a teacher helping you at school..
>you're pretty lucky, was a fortune teller helping you?
>You're pretty good at talking, someone helped you with that didn't they?
>You use a gun sometimes, someone teach you how to shoot that?

>>377144493
>The only good thing we got out of the interrogation scenes is Sae trying to justify how each of your confidants aided the Phantom Thieves.
I get what they were going for and it surprised me the first time it happened but that was such a fucking stupid gimmick.

>>377144493
>The only good thing we got out of the interrogation scenes is Sae trying to justify how each of your confidants aided the Phantom Thieves.
This was so contrived that it was comical, especially the fortune teller one. I can guarantee no prosecutor would every ask someone: 'You're pretty lucky, was a fortune teller helping you?'

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>>377144741
>gain friendship of a child at an arcade
>"TELL ME ABOUT THIS FUCKING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KID HE'S GUILTY TOO ISN'T HE?"

>>377143394
Damn so all the good atlus games don't make money?

Really makes me think...

>>377126593
Shido's Ship was awful. Fuck that mice shit

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>>377145253
>finish the first series of hallways, ducts and bullshit

Wow thank god I'll never have to do that aga-

>have to do one between getting each card
>after you fight the big bad cleaner IMMEDIATELY have another hour long fight/exposition whatever with the traitor with no break/save room

The fuck were they thinking?

>>377144741
>>377144775
It's a legitimate question for some confidants but isn't for others, but I guess you can't just have the flashforward happen for a select few. Joker is a very good speaker at a young age, so asking if he had someone help him with that is legitimate. It's especially a good question to ask for Kawakami(even if she really doesn't help the Phantom Thieves an insane amount). But then questioning Joker about Chihaya or Shinya seems a little silly.

>>377123110
>He believes in the Phantom Thieves
LOL

>>377145467
That you're an SMT fan not a filthy casual?

The boss rush in the engine room and the 3-phase last fight with Shido is the best part of that dungeon.

>>377145604
I can't read English ;_;

>>377145604
Are you telling me you don't believe the Phantom Thieves are JUST? Do you believe they even exist?

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>>377145769
The angel fights were gud too.
>angels full heal the archangels

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>>377145604
Delete this post.

I don't understand.
Why people hate the spaceport?
I'm on my second playthrough and i still think that the worst dungeon is the bank.

>>377145962
The Elite 4 are always fun, super glad they show up in here.

>>377145517
How the fuck was Joker a good speaker? He never made any sort of public speeches and his responses to the interrogation were 3 word replies. She had absolutely no reason to suspect him of half the crap she was saying.

>>377139436
protip the stat gain fortune effects the juice

>>377145987
Because over half of /v/ is fucking retarded, press every switch they come across, and don't realize the airlocks are color coded.

>>377145987
I only got annoyed at the beginning because of how much phys resistance there was.

>>377146134
>fused all the archangels as soon as I could because they're sick as hell
>they turn out to be bosses
A nice surprise but was hilariously awkward to kick Michaels ass with Michael.

>>377145604
won't help me so fuck em

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>>377121772
The entire arc was just horse shit. Now I just got done with it so I am hoping that this is the first and the last horrid arc I have to trudge through.

>Villain of the arc some how manages to be more boring than a gym teacher and an artist
>Entire dungeon was bland, but to be expected from something that was based on a bank
>Dungeon music was alright but then the game suddenly decided to stop using that at half way around
>Boss design felt almost as boring as Madarame's, just a goddamn Jew in a SPHERICAL robot

But that's not the worst part. The worst part about the entire arc was how they wrote in Makoto.

Don't get me wrong, she was cute initially when she was doing her little stalking shtick and almost felt bad for her for what everyone is forcing on her. Oh but the moment she joins the group everything just went straight into the shitter.

>OH MY GOD QUEEN W-WOW YOU ARE SOOOOOO AWESOME QUEEN
>Had to solve the puzzles myself
>WOW YOU ARE SO SMART QUEEN
>Calling card plan was something The Phantom Thieves could have easily come up with
>It wasn't even something that trumped the previous calling card sending method either, in terms of how thought out it was
>AH AS EXPECTED OF OUR GENIUS TACTICIAN
>Even the so called "tactics" were just something the fucking cat been coming up with before but now everyone acts like it's such a rare jewel of a though
>The cat won't stop stroking that ego penis of Makoto

Seriously where did that "Queen" thing even came out from? She didn't even had the authoritative and imposing vibe like Mitsuru did. She didn't have it before her persona awakening, and she sure as hell didn't started acting like one afterwards. So why the hell is the entire party acting like as if she was some cool dominatrix or something?

>>377145828
I was on my way to catch the train home and I saw this group of teenagers smack dab in the middle of the hallway. They were talking about stealing hearts (one of them kept screaming about how good it was to be a thief?) and recounting all these crazy stories, and now that I think about it, they were all related to the phantom thief cases in the news. Is this weird or am I overthinking it?

>>377146214
Lol what? I'm completely retarded and more or less brute forced it and it took me less then 20 minutes. Fuck, the glowing floor things in the final dungeon at least had me try at least twice sometimes

>>377145987
It's more annoying than difficult. The ID card part drags on, the factory is just a retarded gimmick and the airlocks comes at a point where you just feel tired of the dungeon.

Also story wise is crap due to Okamura being bland as hell as a villain.

>>377146363
>HA I HAVE A OVERPOWERED BEAST PRESONA IN THE 90S BEHOLD MICHA-
>Michael appears
It's been awhile since my boner died that fast

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>Game talks about how you're supposed to secure an infiltration route
>The Castle has a lot of shortcuts, and one specifically leading from the front hallway, through a painting, up an elevator, and to the top
>lol none of that matters, just fast travel to the closest safe room where the treasure's by

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>>377146561
>Seriously where did that "Queen" thing even came out from?
Hifumi.
Reminder Hifumi was originally going to take Makoto's place, reminder Sae was originally your parole officer and you lived with her and Makoto, reminder that Makoto ruins the game.

>>377146612
>>377145828
>>377145604
Completely unrelated question but is it illegal to bring your cat to school?

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>>377145987
I don't really think it's just the dungeon, there are other factors surrounding it. Some are narrative and some do have to do with the dungeon, specifically the end of it.

>The bossfight is shitty
>The part where Morgana leaves your party is part of this arc, and while he is completely justified in feeling the way he feels it goes on way longer than necessary. Why the game decides to have Futaba and Makoto do everything when he's Joker's cat is beyond me, he is barely allowed to speak during this part of the game
>Morgana basically outright lies about how close you are to the end of the dungeon when you talk in the Saferoom. He says you're "about halfway there" when you're only about 25% done.
>Sae basically spoils Okumura dying, would have had more impact if the game didn't make it obvious that this is when shit got real.

>>377146781
Got a single fact to back all that shit up?

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>>377146768
>The Castle has a lot of shortcuts, and one specifically leading from the front hallway, through a painting, up an elevator, and to the top
>This sort of design is never used again

>Pay me or I will release this evidence of me giving minors alcohol to the school that send you to investigate me

This is worse than the Madarame bullshit of

>I don't know who you are and Tokio has millions of schools but I will sue you

>>377126625
Did they ever used that "sending off a party member to do something" mechanic ever again?

>>377146768
You know what's fucking gay? Madarame's the only guy you had to make a heist to steal the treasure from. The rest you just walk in and they take it from you like the retards you are. That crane plan was fun and I wish we had more moments like this

>>377146906
>Sae basically spoils

Sae spoils everything, who thought this was a good idea is beyond me

>>377146947
About half the major boses?

>>377146990
>Oh shit a bank robbery this will be awesome
>"yeah I'm here I locked the treasure just fight me already"
cool

>>377146926
>Not knowing how to use Google
http://personacentral.com/persona-5-hifumi-togo-main-character-other-concepts/

>>377146947
Are you talking about when you send Morgana to knock off his crown? It's required you do it against both Shadow Sae and Holy Grail. You can also do it against Madarame, something to do with black paint. I never got it and I know many other people didn't either. I assume people either kill him or they die before it even becomes an option.

>>377147183
And you send somebody to shoot Wakaba with Ballista

>>377147183
>>377147078
Wow I didn't even know that Madarame had one. I just pretty much spam attacks on him and that was it. And I was even playing on hard mode too.

>>377146947
All the Palace bosses have that mechanic like that, sort of. Excpet Okumura I think.

>>377147242
>>377147183
These were like the turn based equivalents of QTEs and they added nothing to any of the fights.

>>377147326
Other than the fact that you're down a whole party member for the duration?

>>377139372
>Happened the same to me
>on my 1st try
I think my shit eating grin was as big as MC's then.

>>377147326
They made the fights too easy but they added a little flavor to the fights. Like you were doing more then hitting the bad guys harder face to face, the phantom thieves were trying to be a little clever

>>377147415
Other than the fact that all the bosses that have this are absolute jokes in terms of difficulty and being down a party member means nothing?

>>377146947
Pyramid and Casino use it

>>377147326
They were mostly near the end of a fight, probably for people who can't beat the boss normally.

Anti-frustration feature for people who can't fight them normally.

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>>377146932
I feel like they designed the first and second dungeon way back when, when the fast travel stuff probably wasn't nearly as apparent, and when there were probably fewer safe rooms.
There's also not that great of concepts used after Madarame's Palace, like going into the paintings and actually having to make Madarame see that blue door being open so the team can progress.
The end of the Bank with that keyhole/lock dragged on for so fucking long that it feels obvious they were stretched for time when designing it.

>>377147294
>Okumura's fight is literally just killing the same enemies you've been killing the entire dungeon in a consecutive order
>This wasn't good or interesting enough, so they decided to put a time limit in that's still incredibly lenient

>>377147326
Honestly I thought it would actually matter who you sent to do it, but it doesn't so it's basically deciding what party member you think you'll be fine without for a few turns.

>>377145790

The comments were pretty funny, reading shit like that made me kek

>>377139747

The only reason I didn't suspect him is because all this time I was thinking "There's no way they're going to make the detective the bad guy again". Turns out I was wrong I guess?

Honestly, the whole "It doesn't matter that you murdered people Akechi, come and join our group to take down Shido" thing felt a bit weird. P5 completely botched Akechi. Hope this is rectified in the remake.

>>377146768
The whole thing was way a lot cooler before I remembered about the safe room.

Shit was fucking cash when you are making a mad dash through the guards while Life will Change is playing in the background.

I thought "Surely they wouldn't let the safe rooms still be active on the final day. I mean the whole point of the alert meter going up to 99% was to show that now you really gotta maneuver around with care while making it to the boss fight right?"

Boy how wrong I was.

>>377147558
Just saying that's not really a "turn based QTE". Whatever that even meant.

>>377146861

I wouldn't say it's illegal but I don't know Japanese law. Frowned upon, definitely.

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>>377147093
>>377146781
>Sae was originally your parole officer and you lived with her
>Hifumi was originally going to take Makoto's place
This just fucking hurts more now

>>377147605
>Honestly I thought it would actually matter who you sent to do it, but it doesn't so it's basically deciding what party member you think you'll be fine without for a few turns.
It does in Futaba's dungeon. If you send the same party member twice in a row to shoot the ballista, they'll take longer the second time.

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>>377147605
>I feel like they designed the first and second dungeon way back when, when the fast travel stuff probably wasn't nearly as apparent, and when there were probably fewer safe rooms.
They should've made them all like Kamoshida's and have no safe rooms and the goal is that as your progress you unlock more shortcuts so that finally you can make a beeline to the treasure in a much more direct route and so that you can enjoy Life Will Change when it's playing. Like with Kamoshida's you unlock the elevator that directly leads you to the start of the palace but you don't get that until you're near the end.

>MFW 'IT'S NOT A GAME'

>>377146932

This was really cool in my opinion but the fact that safe rooms exist made it a bit superfluous.

>>377147636
I think for NG+ I'll only use safe rooms as save points.

>>377147710
>Whatever that even meant.
Heavily scripted event that adds nothing to the fight, if who you picked changed something or if the fights were actually challenging when down a member I wouldn't have minded but as they stand they were just stupid.

Should I NG+ or crank the difficulty up to max and play a regular NG playthrough to get all the trophys?

>>377147636
The alert meter is honestly such a fucking joke mechanic. I don't know how anyone could POSSIBLY get it high enough, and Ohya's entire Confidant is rendered useless because that's the only reward you get.
Futaba's Palace is the ONLY Palace in the entire game that has enemies in your path on the way to steal the treasure.

>>377147914
Shit, I didn't even think of that. Having to run from the beginning of the Palace to the Treasure it one huge sprint sure sounds more exciting than warping straight to the last safe room.

>>377145604
QUE ES FANTOM THIEF?

>>377147813
I think there's potential if Persona 5 was about adults rebelling. I dunno I think a party of dudes like Tae, Kawakami, Iwai, Chihaya etc, would work if your MC was a grown ass man. But then you'd have to change a lot about the premise. I dunno I think it'd be cool though

He has goons and it doesn't feel as personal as what happened with kamoshida and madarame

You don't get to see shit if you succeed but makoto getting drugged and gangbanged is already a pretty dark consequence, even if it never happens, not even in a bad end scenario

But yeah, something like that could've happened

>>377147605
>Honestly I thought it would actually matter who you sent to do it

You can't send Ann against Kamoshida, she'll fail. Like the other anon said it will take them longer the second time if you choose the same person. I don't think it matters who you choose for anyone else? For Holy Grail I imagine it wouldn't, I don't know if sending Yusuke for Madarame or Makoto for Sae do anything.

>>377121772
Someone post the Haru edit

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Guys when is the last day I can fuse demons? I have 3 days until Shido's deadline and I know the game ends soon. I want to fuse my boy Metatron and maybe Lucy if I have some cash left.

>>377147625
>"It doesn't matter that you murdered people Akechi
Except they say it DOES matter. They just empathize with how he turned out. His upbringing warped his train of thought and being gifted powers just exacerbated it. They went him to come because they think he can still be saved if he repents for what he's done and that wasn't going to end just with fighting Shido.

>>377148153
>Send Ryuji to cut the Holy Grail's veins
>He has a hammer
>It cuts them

>>377148183
You can fuse demons up until right before the final boss.

Does Merciless reduce gold and exp?

>>377148153
My experience (against kamoshida) is that sending morgana forces you to actually deal less damage to kamoshida to trigger the different phases

I don't know if it's still true for the holy grail

>>377148183
There isn't a last day when you can fuse, you can fuse right up to the end of the final boss. If you plan on doing NG+ going on a fusing spree could be a good idea, because you can only get the Arcana EXP boost from Igor's rank 10 at that time of the game.

>>377148257
>Our sniper is in position!
>It's fucking Ryuji with a shotgun

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>>377148273
>>377148335
Very nice. Time to autistically fuse.

>>377140798
To be fair, nobody does.

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>>377148398
>Haru with a fucking grenade launcher

>>377148029
They should have made it so that the meter doesn't go down after killing a shadow. Only have it reset when you leave the dungeon. Also make it so that the percentage it adds to the meter is higher than what it is right now.

Plus I feel that the enemies scope of detection needs to be bigger. It's already piss easy to sneak behind them, but it's just ridiculous when you can be literally right next to them and it takes a minute for them to see you because you were "hiding".

>>377148446
Also if you like mainline prepare to be pleasantly surprised by some of the demons that show up as minibosses in the last stretch.

>>377148484
There's no way the guy behind you doesn't notice it. But I just explain that away from the entire school being scared of you, so he doesn't say anything.

>>377148517
This game had the chance to be SMT hard. I understand they backed down for casuals but I'm still disappointed

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>>377148517
>Also make it so that the percentage it adds to the meter is higher than what it is right now.
Umm sweetie...no.

>>377148517
>Your position when you're hiding literally doesn't matter
>They can literally be staring at you, but because you're hiding, they won't be able to see you
There's a lot of mechanics throughout the game that I feel got butchered than what they previously were.
I mean, I still love the game, but it's important to talk about these flaws I think.

>>377146561
Just like in P4, the whole group is a pack of braindead morons, who would have been caught from the very beginning if the characters around them had a brain.
Ryuji alone blows thier cover plenty of times just by loudly talking about them being phantom thieves. The stupidity of it all is very hard to ignore.

>>377148484
>meows come from MC's desk every time he answers a question and during exams
>somehow nobody notices

>>377124686
Did you play P3 or 4? It's very obvious where the plot goes in a Persona game
They obviously weren't trying to hide it either since the game opens with the Phantom Theives' fall

>>377148517

You can drive circles around the mementos shadows in a car and still get the ambush on them. I'm really not sure how the detection mechanics work in this game.

>>377148721
I'll be honest, I preferred the ez mode stealth. It was just to add a little flavor to the thief experience. I think it would've been a too much if it were a proper stealth game in the middle of it all.

>Was blinded by P5's aesthetics and hype but now starting to see that the game carries some heavy flaws
>Wants to play other games in the series or relating to the series to forget about the hogwash for a bit
>Remember that P5 is pretty much the only game so far that fixed their game play mechanics

Please tell me that status effects aren't garbage in SMT4.

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>>377148771
>>377148484
There's no rule that says a cat can't get an education!

>>377148721
Honestly the stealth mechanics are so clunky and the camera doesn't even let you rotate 360 that I'm glad it's like that, it would be way too frustrating otherwise.

Why didn't they ever bring up the pancakes thing earlier?

>>377134153
I dunno, I thought P5 was always infinitely better than P4 at every point in the plot. P3 only gets better late in the game.

>>377148687
Actually those changes would have actually give Ohya's social link some purpose.

>>377149004
Status is bretty good againt non bosses. They've been that way since SMTIV:A I think

>>377149004
>fixed gameplay
>batonpass all out is good gameplay

>>377149004
Wait status effects are good? How?

>>377149229
By effecting the status of enemies.

>>377125417
I think Kamoshida was the best villain in the game, none of the other ones made me feel that raw "fuck this piece of shit, we need to take him down NOW"

>>377149229
>>377149210
>>377149004
Next you'll be telling me Phys isn't complete shit

>>377139251
The massage is the best ability in the game retard

>>377148687
Ohya is a pretty cool lady. It's to bad her confidant bonuses are worthless and she's the least fuckable character in the entire game. Recipe for disaster if you want to be popular.

>A masochistic goth doctor
>your submissive homeroom teacher whose romance options make you feel like a fucking alpha
>a scrawny alcoholic journalist.

Wonder who people are going to pick?

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>>377149319
I thought they did a good job with Madarame, but after that everyone is too disconnected to really make me as a player get engaged in taking them down.

>>377145970
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>>377146768
>Game shows that areas of a palace can have extreme distortions
>We see this in the Castle, Museum and Pyramid but none of the other dungeons.

>>377149410
Shido was so close to being great. He had the best shadow, the best boss fight theme and a personal connection. He just didn't get scummy enough and his dungeon was underwhelming and shit to play

>>377149397
>Recipe for disaster if you want to be popular.
You forgot voiced by Yukiko too.
They should've made Lala-chan a confidant instead.
>>377149521
It's pretty obvious after the Museum they stopped putting the same amount of effort and care into the palaces.

Do I need to go through Mementos from floor 1 in NG+?

>>377149229
Maybe not as effective as how they work in Etrian Odyssey series but P5 made it so that the status effects are not complete garbage like in the previous entries.

In P5 you can combo status effects to cause a massive damage so even when you can't knock down a boss you can still have the chance to do more damage. Plus they also designed the enemies and raised the difficulty in a way that makes sure that the status effects are used to their fullest.

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>>377149397
Reminder that Ohya could have been the hottest woman in the game but for some reason they were afraid of literal perfection.

>>377149223
Yeah, it plays much better than P3/4

>>377149723
yup

>>377149730
you can status effect bosses?

>>377149751
Because then it'd be incredibly unfair to the rest of the girls. There'd be no competition, and all we'd get is OHYA BEST over and over again.

>>377146943
I assumed it was a Japanese thing, like their culture is much stricter on under age drinking/delinquency than ours.

Actually, speaking of delinquency, wasn't the MC of the game supposed to be a Yankee? I thought I'd heard that somewhere.

>>377149723
>>377149802
Really makes me miss Fuuka's dungeon crawling music options.

>>377125417
>>377149319
>>377149410
I mean it's really hard to out do a physically violent rapist in terms of being the most hated villain.

The first arc was the best arc in terms of how it made you feel.

>>377121772
>Makoto is the reason we can go to the palace!!!
>the absolute state of that garbage writing
no wonder why /v/ love this game

>>377149802
Fuck

>>377146943
Both of them are connected to Shido, so without their outright confessions from the change of heart, they most likely would have gotten away with that. Shido has the whole police force in his pocket.

>>377146943
>>377149951
Did you guys forgot that there were also drugs in the picture as well?

>>377141945
Isn't that the one where all girls get turned into sluts or am I thinking of some other porn doujin?

>>377121772

the rest of the bosses felt underwhelming because atlus went out of thei way to make Kamoshida the most personal, unlikable piece of cunt ever to you and your friends

I they had went into detail how Kaneshiro extorted his victims, ruined girls' lives by forcing them into prostitution etc. I'm sure he would have made a longer lasting impression

>>377150171
They try to show you how many lives Kaneshiro has utterly ruined, but they don't humanize it as well because they're Kaneshiro's cognitive ATM-people instead of their real life counterparts. Same with Madarame, almost all of his victims were shown in the palace instead of in the real world.

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>>377149319
>>377149410
>Kamoshida is an absolute scumbag that took advantage of his fame and sexually assaulted many of the females on the volleyball team, made Shiho almost kill herself, abused many of the students for his own personal amusement, got the track team disbanded, and fucked up Ryuji's leg, all while getting away with all of it as to not draw any negative attention to the school

>Madarame was a fake artist that profited off of his pupils, extorting them and plagiarizing their own work for his fame alone, lying about who he was and how he acted, and even starting up false rumors so he could make copies of the Sayuri, who he had ruined by painting over the child to make it a mystery, having stolen it from Yusuke's mother whom he had let die from a seizure in front of him

>Kaneshiro's just some mob boss who was using students

>Futaba doesn't really count

>Okumura was just an awful CEO/father that treated his employees like slaves, which unfortunately happens all the time in the real world, but mentally and emotionally abused Haru

>Sae just had distorted views of how the law and justice worked

>Shido, who should be the biggest criminal of all, and someone who you, the player, has a personal thing against, feels sorta lackluster in comparison to the first two

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>>377149751
Last one with the ponytail

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>>377150171
Kamoshida just helped the volleyball team become better athletes. He did nothing wrong. It's just that everyone threw themselves at him to try and further their own goals and use his talent to get there.

>>377121772
it's probably the part where hifumi was cut out from

>>377150343
>Sae just had distorted views of how the law and justice worked

And it's implied that she convicted innocent people along the way (rigging the game). That's the Japanese criminal system.

>>377150005
The rapesuicide and him ruining Ryuji's entire career in track by fucking his leg up are really hard to beat. As annoying as Ryuji is that's pretty terrible.
>his leg is still fucked up and makes him stumble in the first dungeon
>by the time of the ship he's able to run and slaps his bum leg in frustration when he paused briefly after making the leap

>>377150134
It makes sense that if this came to the polices attention the MC would be fucked, but I don't think either would have reached any velocity.

The headmaster would probably shush the pictures because he can't afford another scandal.
Madarame has no idea who these people are and I don't think the police would search the whole Tokio area for them. Yusuke would probably be the only one getting caught here.

Maybe I'm just forgetting something though.

>>377121772
Also it's been the worst boss fight, so far. I'm only at futaba's palace.

>>377150450

Raping someone when they won't work hard enough due to exhaust from your shit training program isn't gonna make them better.

>But it wasn't rape! You can't prove that, it's up to interpretation!

Even then, hindering a different team division to boost yours is pretty fucking terrible.

>>377150623
Don't worry, the dungeon after Futaba's is much, MUCH worse overall.

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>>377150715
Oh boy.

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That hotel scene where they decided to go against THESE EFFING ADULTS feels incredibly weak.
>These people are mean to us
>Let's start a revolution

>>377150454
>>377147093

>>377150635
According to my extensive research into Japanese illustrated literature, it actually will. Rape makes women happier, more obedient, and all around better people.

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>>377150848
Yeah, it's just a poorly done scene all around.
>Joker LITERALLY doesn't recognize Shido

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>>377150450
How the fuck did I know when the game came out a year ago that you niggas on /v/ are gonna start worshiping this guy while claiming he "did nothing wrong"

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>>377150715
Futaba's dungeon was shitty, I enjoyed the September dungeon far more. I don't outright hate it because the music was really good, though.

Allow me to explain, I hated how cramped it was and desert levels are NEVER a highlight for me.

Ranking the palaces by top 3

-Casino
-Castle
-Space

Bottom 3

-PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR VOTE ON A MEGAPHONE X1000
-The final palace
-Nothing comes to mind right now

>>377151042
Of all the little things in the story, this one bothered me the most. How do you not remember the face of the man who destroyed your life despite seeing and hearing him both in person and constantly on television?

>>377151042
You see him from the back and without glasses like it's gonna obscure his identity, but no goddamn person in the Persona universe is bald with a goatee so it doesn't matter.

>>377151042
I think it would've been better if they hadn't shown us him either. What we saw isn't what Akira remembers because it was all a high adrenaline confusing blur for him, but we can't understand that because it was clear as day for us.

>>377151042
Do you remember the head of every dick you come across?

Besides, every bald guy in a suit basically look the same.

>>377151049
Because it's extremely common for contrarians to defend antagonists here?

I enjoyed Shido's dungeon. Good opportunity to use your overpowered demons you've begun to amass because of the ridiculous amount of boss fights and enemies in the Palace.

>>377151121
Futaba's dungeon is the worst example of backtracking in recent memory.
>DUDE SWITCHES LMAO

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>tfw I only realized the Palaces/targets represented the 7 deadly sins during the final boss

>>377151268
No one else in P5 is bald, except the SIU Director I think.
Shido is literally always on TV too, and how could you not recognize his voice?

>>377149634
But Yukiko's VA wasn't that bad in general.
As in other roles.

>>377151341
Why do people keep mentioning backtracking in that Palace? I just cleared it a while ago and don't recall any huge offenders.

>>377151361
>achievement unlocked: Palace of Lust Collapses
Really?

>>377127035
I'm surprised i've remembered most of those dim-sum ass names, you should be grateful.

>>377151361
yeah all the boss shadows are named after the demon who represents that sin.

>>377151472
I never look at trophies.

>>377151386
I know the answer to that one!

You only recognize him for sure in November when he's using his vicious threatening voice before getting into his car. Just like he has two faces, he also has an outside voice that doesn't sound at all like he sounded that night.

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>>377151505
>Don't have high Guts
>Morgana: ASK HIM ABOUT THE GUN JOKER
>Repeat until October

>>377151472
Not him, but I have trophy notifications turned off. I don't even look at them either. I did realize it when they kept explicitly naming sins in the calling cards, though.

>>377151268
>Do you remember the head of every dick you come across?

If he got me a criminal record I sure as fuck would.

>>377151442
Because it's just tedious, none of the other palaces have any backtracking except a bit on the ship.
Futaba's is a huge offender if you miss one switch at any point you'll have to go all the way back to get it, not that they're easy to miss but I did miss one of the later ones and was pissed that I had to go all the way back to hit it.

>>377151581
>not recognising based char's voice

>>377151591
I liked Iwai's social link regardless of how much of a pain in the ass it was to start. He's one of the only ones you can be a smartass or brutally honest to and it gives you points for it. Also taking him places so he could scope them out to bring his son there was really endearing.

I'm glad that it's mostly agreed upon that dungeon 3 is the worst dungeon.

It's a shame that all the villains kind of feel flat after Kamoshida. Either they felt too comically evil or I didn't feel very invested in taking them down.

Kamoshida wasn't a great villain by any means but you get the impression he's a shitty person that you could find in the real world that just gets a little boost of fictional evilness.

>>377138960
>Mishima goes "hey you are the Phantom thieves right?"
>YUP
>MAYBE
>NO(YES)

fucking hell, why do I NEED to let mishima know shit, The game even starts saying some one ratted you out, and by that point every one that knows you are the Joker is some one at your party, giving me even more reasons to not trust Mishima with such vital info
But nope, you need him and his Slink for "REASONS"

>>377151696
I can tell you a justification for that one too!

It was night, he wasn't wearing his glasses the whole time, and it was a pretty adrenaliny episode, like someone else said.

"But you'd recognize him from the courthouse??"

No, he was nowhere near MC's criminal trial because his involvement had to be kept quiet, so MC had no second opportunity to see him again.

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>>377151840
Iwai and Yoshida had god tier Confidant links desu.

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>The argument between Shido and that woman literally did not matter
>That woman was no one important
>Passing mention that she supplied a testimony

How can i become a shape shifter?

>>377151906
Kamosida's arc felt the best because it was so personal to the entire current main cast.
>fictional evilness
Kamoshida's scenario is apparently based on real events.

>>377152059
What were you expecting?

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>>377151840
Yeah I liked, him too, it honestly felt like he was the only link where Joker could be completely himself if that makes any sense.
Also I just beat this game and I have been avoiding /v/ since the game came out.
Who is considered to have the best confidant in the game?
I really liked Iwai, Sojiro, EVERYONE and GET SMOKED,

>>377137498
The whole dungeon design could have improved tenfold if they JUST GOT RID OF THE WARPING THOUGH SAVE SPOTS
what is the fucking point of having a nice and full of shortcuts dungeon, if when it really matters for you to get to the treasure room, you can warp to the last bonfire right next to it and complete the dungeon

fucking hell, this game is more DaS2 than DaS2, remove bornfire hopping till NG+, reduce by half the number of bonfires, presto, all the maps and contraptions make fucking sense now

>>377152083
Hide both face (and mind)

>>377151939
Glasses are for show though

>>377150343
>just some mob boss
>[just an] awful CEO/father
They're both scum, don't downplay them just because their crimes aren't shown as obviously as the first two. Murder and causing suicide is implicit for kaneshiro and okumura murdered a ton of people through shido/pancakes. Furthermore I doubt makoto wouldve been the first person kaneshiro forced into prostitution.

>>377152192
NO-GOOD MANLET!

>>377152083
- Attend Poe's masquerade
- Hide both face and mind
- Don't take off your mask

>>377151591
my husbando

>>377152192
Autistic artistic antics with Yusuke

>>377152278
S-stop pls

>>377150343
Sae's actually pretty fucked up, most people don't really notice it though because she's generally viewed as a good guy who's a little stressed and misguided. Makoto was absolutely right to think that her sister might have a Palace when she joined the PT.

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>>377152278
FUCK YOU, TAKE THAT BACK.

>>377152059
He should have run when she was hesitating to accuse Shido

>>377123530
This.

>>377152292
>Attend Poe's masquerade
Doesn't everyone die at it though?

>>377152360
>get asked to strip in a church then proceed to mock Christ by posing in fabulous crucifix formations
Yusuke's too good. The boat was good too.

>>377152386
Why is Sae' shadow so slutty though

>>377152115
That event, along with Joker's parents sending you to Sojiro are super important to the whole story developing, but both events are apparently just complete coincidences. It's kind of odd

>>377152206
There is nothing stopping you from making a beeline from the entrance to the Treasure.

The only Palaces that become a hassle to do so is Madarame and Okumura.

>>377152503
>Yusuke will never be your personal tattoo artist

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>>377151910
>Make the player suspect someone from moment one
>Turns out it was the guy constantly antagonizing you and the Phantom Thieves the entire game
>If you pay attention early on, it's extremely blatant that he's hiding something
I mean, if it wasn't for getting spoiled in P4, I don't think I ever would have suspected Adachi, but Akechi being the trainer is literally spelled out for you. P5 did a lot of annoying things, like showing the player what was going on behind scenes constantly, and ruining the dramatic tension.

What is the best voice clip and why is it

>OOOOHHHH WE CAN DO THIS!

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>>377152059
I like that Ohya tracks her down, though. A bunch of other people are just giving supportive speeches but Ohya man, Ohya put in the fucking legwork.

Also holy shit Mishima trying to get people to sign the petition was so sad....thanks buddy I really appreciate it....

>>377152495
Nobody said becoming a shapshifter was easy.

>>377152192
Best confidant in what way? Benefits wise it's easily fortune and temperance

Story wise I liked devil and sun a lot

>>377152495
Everyone dies eventually anon

>>377124920
Akechi was horrid. He got what he deserved. I was so hoping it was a misdirection where Akechi was good and Futaba was gonna sell you out. But no... the game just had to be obvious.

>>377152604
>but Akechi being the trainer is literally spelled out for you.
It's not supposed to be a surprise, the twist is that they knew he was the traitor which you definitely never saw coming.

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>>377152192
Favorite confidants for me were

Yoshida, Yusuke, Haru, and Sojiro were all excellent.

Most insufferable cunts

Mishima (you don't get an option to tell him for real that you aren't a Phantom Thief WTF?), Ohya, and here's a controversial one, the Velvet Twins. I rate the Velvet Twins highen Margaret for their personality, but even at the end game it's just...so unrewarding unlike the other Confidants who had a real positive change.

>>377152550
DELET
SAE IS PURE

>>377152630
B O N A F I D E
M O N A F I D E

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>>377152630
>mmmmMMMMMMM
What did Morgana mean by this?

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>>377152360
That one was great too.
>the brother and sister on the boat
>that jesus pose.
I always had a good chuckle when I was hanging out with him.

>>377152550
Fuck if I know. She's a virgin in real life? She secretly wishes to be a little slutty?

I'm talking more about the rigged games like the other anon mentioned and Akechi saying the justice system would just fabricate evidence to get a trial. Sae's probably done that in the past if her palace is a casino, she views herself as the house and always has to win and the games are rigged against players.

>>377152604
It's supposed to be obvious, it's a misdirection. The twist is that your party knew the whole time and came up with a counter-plan. I genuinely thought I fucked up a choice somewhere when I got shot.

>>377152249
>>377152083
What else should I be?

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>>377152778
WOAH LOOKING COOL JOKER

OH SKULL YOU'RE PATHETIC

ENEMY DOWN, YOU'RE SO GORGEOUS PANTHER

IT'S ALMOST SCARY HOW GOOD I AM

>>377152661
storywise I mean.