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>video game opinions that legit make you mad

What's her name, /v/?
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>>377067816
>"objectively" bad
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>>377067816
>Skyrim is the best game of all time
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THIS NEW AAA VIDYA WILL SAVE THE INDUSTRY
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>I won't play this single player game because it's fanbase is autistic
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>An RTS game with "hero" units are MOBAs
>Gears of War literally has zero skill
>Arena FPS are the only good FPS games
>"Game is too short and easy" when they play on the easiest difficulty
>"Game is too long and hard" when they play on the easiest difficulty AND the game beats them over the head on how to play.
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>All open world games are trash empty wasting time simulators
>All linear games are trash corridor walking simulators
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>>377067816
>japanese games are better than western
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>>377067816
>Its a good game. just a bad *insert series* game.
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>Southern games are better than northern
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>its aged poorly
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>>377068793
That's the objective truth.
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>ME2 is the best Mass Effect
>AC2 is the best Asscreed
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>>377067816
>"Whoa, who's HYYYYPE for this game that hasn't come out yet? These shots from their marketing department look AMAZING and the director said the game is going to be an experience like never before! It's going to be soooo good!"
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I know it technically isn't true but it bugs me when people don't think overwatch is a moba.

I mean I fucking know it isn't but come on it basically is
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>>377068793
their developers are generally better when they aren't shitting out otakutrash
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>>377068871
Sometimes that's sort of valid. Like, imagine if Star Fox Adventures was actually a good game. It would be an appropriate to say in regards to Adventures.
Usually though, yeah, it's completely fucking retarded.
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>>377069074
>that comparison

A video game being good is a reasonable guess grounded in reality with supporting evidence. Why are religious people so stupid? Nothing, and I mean nothing compares to your baseless belief in magic fairies, retard. A better comparison would be if, in the bottom frame, the person was talking about how he believed the video game characters would come to life and make friends with him.
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>>377069421
Yes? Japan offers more and higher quality good games than the west does, on average, but of course both also produce bad games.
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>>377069760
I was just joking anon I knew what you meant
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>it's fun
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>>377068317
This, holy fuck.
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>I don't like genre/series/game so it shouldn't exist
fuck you, you goddamn strawmen
if you people had your way we'd have three games ever and you'd still fight to have less
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>this is to over popular
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>new game comes out in franchise/series
>improves on the previous game in nearly every way
>faggots on /v/ say [previous game] was better to keep up their hipster cred
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>>377069932
How else do you say you enjoyed the game?
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>femshep is best shep
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>>377067816
i get legitimately angry whenever someone makes a nintendo shitposting thread
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>>377068912
>>377069207
We came here to post opinions that are shit.
Not to hear your shit opinions.
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>>377070030
This is my opinion and I will fight for it till death. Video games are awful except for a very few select choices made by me. Anyone who disagrees can go die. I am not even being ironic.
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>Dark Souls II is bad because ______
barring some exceptions I understand, almost every complaint goes back to people wanting to play it like a RUN THROUGH EVERYTHING tank game or people who don't even realize DaS stole as much from DeS as DaSII did from DaS
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>>377069760
Literally just your opinion.
You understand that right?
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>>377070283
rude desu
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>>377069589
>believing spin
>for a product
>before its released

the picture dumb but blindly swallowing marketing ploys is fuh goys
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>>377070106
unspoken law of /v/, the newest game is always the worst and the one before that that used to be hated is now the new best one

guess the series
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>I should be able to say whatever I want in multiplayer!
>screams racial slurs
>gets banned
>REEEEEEEEEEE MUH FREEZE PEACH
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>>377070283
Well you're on the right board for being a massive faghot with shit taste
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>Durability is a bad mechanic
>Durability was good in dark souls where you could completely ignore it and it had almost no reason to exist

Fuck off.
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>>377070251
hey man anime may be doopoopoocaca but a lot of the best games were made by slants
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>>377070451
Quality over quantity fαm
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>>377070448
Go to the cuck shed, Steve Shives.
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>>377070283
that's cool and i will only mock you a little for that silly opinion

awful games still have the right to exist, though.
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>Link is dead in Majora's Mask
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>>377069589
*tips*
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>>377070328
Could be worse, there's people who say Dark Souls is bad because it references the first game.
I still don't understand how this is even remotely meant to be a bad thing, whatsoever.
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>>377070565

Get that ass banned
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>>377070448
Shitters like you at the reason we have A small hands cheeto orangutan as the president.
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>licensed games are bad
>[game] has aged like milk
>[action game] is too short, it should have story-heavy RPG-tier length or the price is not justified
>all [series where early games are loved and respected] games are bad / [series] was always bad
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>>377070578
Yeah I guess. I mean, I don't want to exterminate the Jews, I just want them to move to Madagascar and never bother us again. So I guess we can move all the bad games to Madagascar as well and let the kikes play them.
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>>377070505
No.
Some of the best games were made by slants. But they produce a fuck ton of actual garbage.
Also this is a personal gripe, but I find a lot of jap writing cringe as fuck.
Embarassing to listen to or read
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>the writing is shit

This is all they fucking say too. Never any examples or proof. And if they do provide it it's always something plot-related (not writing) or a snip of some dialog that's intended to be taken as a joke.
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>>377070698
Oh no, I'll have to spend all my new found free time playing games instead of shit posting.
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>>377070638
those people are the fucking worst, god damn
there's a lot of reasons why souls threads are intolerable lately but ever single 3 came out this place lost its last few shreds of sanity
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>>377070756
vanilla will never be affordable again, better to just glass israel
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>>377070756
serious question
are you old enough to be browsing this site?
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>>377070720
>Implying games can't age like milk
Go replay Goldeneye.
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People who think Dark Souls is a very hard game because they only play modern AAA trash.
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>>377070915
Whatever works anon. I'm not gonna tell anyone to gas the jews, but it won't bother me either if someone does it anyways, ya know.
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>I don't like it cuz graphics
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>>377071003
Didn't play as a kid. Have played within the last few years.
It's okay.
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>>377070986
Too old maybe.
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>>377071026
Shouldn't gassing the muslims be higher priority?
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>>377071078
I mean I kinda sorta get it. I don't really want to go back and play atari 2600 games or commodore 64 games. I think it's a generation thing where there's a limit to how much they can tolerate shitty graphics
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>No it's bad cause it's so long
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>>377071114
how have you not managed to learn how to deal with things that upset you?
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>playing quake champions
>tele frag someone
>"LOL thats some old school Halo shit"

Had to have been a master troll
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>if the game was as bad as you claim then why did it sell so well?
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>>377071251
Graphics becomes a catch-all term for production values in this case. What they really want is a big polished AAA game.
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>>377067816
>As long as you're having fun, who cares?

>It's fun if you have friends

>Every practice is okay because companies have to make money

Will never not be mad.
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>>377070718
>implying any viable alternative wouldn't be worse from any worthwhile perspective
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>>377071261
he doesn't seem upset

jews are a blight, but whatcha gonna do
not gonna join the klan but i wouldnt be too upset either if moses came back to spread the dead sea and lead his people to glorious hollow earth agartha
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>This game is good/bad because [eceleb/popular gaming media outlet] said so
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>>377071390
>It's fun if you have friends
This has to be one of the most frustrating opinions for sure. Literally anything is fun with friends.
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>>377071390
Nothing wrong with the first one
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>>377071261
I am on the internet anon, I don't have to deal with shit.
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>>377071390
>As long as you're having fun, who cares?
Perfectly reasonable. Flaws can be overlooked if it's a fun game, sounds like you just have insane standards.
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>you know what /v/ needs?
>a ffxiv general thread
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>piracy doesn't reduce sales because no one who pirated the game would have bought it anyway
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>tech demo
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Anything related to "movie game"
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>it hasn't aged well
I mean I get tastes change because of a variety of reasons but it makes it sounds like it was a product of the game.
I would prefer if people said "I didn't like it as much as I used to" describe what feels antiquated when compared to modern games or an aspect they can no longer ignore.
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>muh diversity
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>>377071501
If you have to justify your opinion by saying something is "fun" then you have no argument. "fun" can me 50 different things. Was it relaxing, was it exciting, did it make you laugh, etc.?
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>watching tv
>okay
>watching movies
>okay
>watching sports
>okay
>watching game streamers
>REEEEEEEEEEE JUST PLAY THE GAME YOU RETARD
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>>377067816
Any opinion that goes
>lol gameplay is shit, writing is trash, kill yourself
>but why?
>*insert epic maymay reaction image here* while calling you retarded
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>Silent Hill was a good movie adaption of the games
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>>377071495
then why do "bad" games upset you so much you want them to not exist?

surely with your staggering powers of evaluation you would never spend either money or time on a bad game

and i somehow have the feeling you're not exactly concerned with the welfare of other poor people who were tricked into playing bad games
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>>377070813
Completely agree anon, with every word you said
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>>377071694
>hipsters who think silent hill 1 is better than 2
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>>377071390
>>It's fun if you have friends
Occasionally valid.
If someone said something like FF Crystal Chronicles or Zelda: Four Swords Adventures was shit without having ever experienced playing with friends when they're entirely designed around their co-op, then I'd be inclined to ignore their uninformed opinion.
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>>377071631
No shit Sherlock, but flaws still mean nothing in the face of an ultimately enjoyable game.
This is why sometimes people like games you don't.
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>>377071432
Actually it's people like you who are a blight. The bad Jews are ones who are similar to you in personality. Deluded cunt.
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>>377071626
congrats on your recent graduation from high school
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>>377070182
Why?
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>>377071631
its possible they simply aren't articulate enough to express their ideas
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>>377071458
No one actually says that though, it's just very obvious when someone hates or loves a game they often haven't even played just because some e-celeb feels some way about it.
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>gamergate won!
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>hey anon have you checked [game]?
>no, is it good?
>yeah it's great! i didn't play it myself but i watched a LP and that's basically the same thing
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>>377071735
I don't see the problem. Both are exceptional.
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>>377071201
They both suck but the difference is that jews control to world
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>>377071865
It did, objectively. It spawned an entire new political movement which ended up helping elect the president of the united states.
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>You just hate [major AAA release] because you hate fun! The older games were shit anyway! The developers actually care really deeply, you're just cynical.
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>>377071913

>hey anon, have you checked out the Raiders this year?
>no, are they are good now
>yeah, they're 13-3! I don't play for the team but I watched all their games so it's basically the same thing

That's how retarded you sound like right now
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>>377071640
this
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>>377071948
Silent hill 1 is a great horror game, particularly if you look at it in context of when it came out, but 2 is just better. It has a better story and obviously much better visuals. The only real argument for 1 over 2 is if you're being a contrarian, which is common on /v/.
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>>377071753
>but flaws still mean nothing in the face of an ultimately enjoyable game.
But if they can't express this sentiment or explain what they find fun about the game, then you're often left with a situation like this:
>I find game bad because [flaws]
>who cares about [flaws], it's fun!
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>>377072006
Major AAA games are very rarely actually bad, they're usually just kind of bland and feel like they were made with a checklist.
Hate is a very strong word.
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>>377072004

>gamergate won

Okay, then never ever fucking bitch about shitty vidya journalism or muh SJW's ever again
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>>377070106
Zelda
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>>377070638
Makes it even worse when DS2 doesn't have anywhere near as mean DS1 references as DS3.

I don't care that DS3 is more connected to events of DS1 there are weapons, armour and npcs who have absolutely no reason to be in that game other than "HEY REMEBER ORNSTEIN? HERES HIS ARMOUR IN THIS PLACE JUST BECAUSE"
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>>377072145
No one likes Skyward Sword.
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>>377071383
Well, then yeah I can agree with that
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>>377070106
Provide some examples.
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>>377071713
No, you see, it's not that I wanna escape from these games myself. It's that I want to take away these games from people who enjoy them.

Let me give you an example. Have you ever seen a fat fuck on the street stuffing junk food in his fat, lumpy face? I'm sure you have, we all have surely witnessed such a disgusting sight. Now imagine yourself going up to that beached whale and slapping their food out of their hands and mouth. Wouldn't their tears or anger, confusion and desperation amuse you?
Yes indeed, that's what I want to do with video games.
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>I don't like it because you play it
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>>377072119
Actually, I never say I hate these games to these people. They just ask me what I think and when I say I don't like them much they go on a real tizzy. Like a pre-prepared speech.
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>>377072059
Nigga I hope you be kidding
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>It's good but the fanbase is shit
Kys you hipster cunt
I know you're in here
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>>377069137
no one has replied to this retard yet so I will take the bait. Wrong camera angle, no items, no lanes,no fucking anything. It's an fps where the characters have what one could argue are moba inspired abilities. It isn't even remotely a moba.
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"Wii U was a good console"
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>A games artstyle makes a game bad
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>>377072184
>HEY REMEBER ORNSTEIN? HERES HIS ARMOUR IN THIS PLACE JUST BECAUSE

Actually there's a whole backstory to why his armor is there. Are you really complaining that they bring player-favorite characters back in sequels? What possible reason could you have to complain about this? That's ridiculous.
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>>377072358
That's a reasonable assessment of a lot of games.
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>>377072219
Edgy
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>"xxx"drone

Liking and a single game by a company doesnt instantly qualify as one.
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>>377072290
Pretty much this, the average person gets a little offended if you don't love whatever modern AAA game they do.
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>>377072419
What are you, a fatty fucker? Get off my board, fatty fucker.
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>>377072203
Ive seen plenty of posts on this very board contradicting that
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>GTAIV is better than GTAV
I get so pissed off that I forget I actually loved IV
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>>377068793
But that's true anon
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>I hate references to memes in games

Fuck off you edgy cunts.
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>>377070417
ELDER SCROLLS
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>>377072378
Bad art style can seriously hurt a game by obfuscating information relevant to gameplay. Good presentation is very important for readability and making controls and mechanics and shit feel right. The potential impact is enormous.
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>>377071640
shit comparison
watching game streamers is the equivalent to watching reaction videos and movie reviewers
kill yourself brainlet. E-celebs are for children
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>>377067816
>BOTW being a open-world Zelda game is such an amazing change of genre!

I sincerely don't get it. I never really pegged Zelda games as "closed". There was always tons of shit to do in them, namely fishing and archery, alongside hunting for 100% completion like the golden spiders. The only thing this added was you can tackle this game's tasks in any order you like, which is nice, but I wouldn't call it genre-defying. Am I missing something?
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>human eye can't see more than 30 fps
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>>377072361
Multiplayer online battle arena

Its just not an ASSFAGGOTS
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>>377072397
But my problem is that people went apeshit with Old Dragonslayer thats basically a black Ornstein but no one went "Wait what?" when you find his armour in the Archdragon Peak when it doesn't make any sense.

Ornstein died in Anor Londo but the armour description says he left in search of the Nameless King, so how does that work?
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>>377072726
This.
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>>377072726

>stop having fun!

Kill yourself
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>>377072726
>watching game streamers is the equivalent to watching reaction videos and movie reviewers
How does that work?
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>>377072405
Found you bitch
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>>377072718
This.
A game with excellent gameplay but with ugly or inappropriate art style is like a meal that tastes amazing yet looks like a pile of turds.
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>It's not actually a video game because [X/Y/Z]
>Stories in games don't matter, a game with a shit story but mediocre gameplay is better than a game with a great story but bad gameplay
>I hate walking sims / Gone Home invented walking simulators
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>>377072847
You sound like an unreasonable man.
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>>377067816
>treyarch is better than infinity ward
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>>377072946
You sound like a pretentious contrarian hipster hypocrite judgemental nigger and I'm gonna keep throwing buzzwords at you till you stop being a faggot
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>>377072783
>Multiplayer online battle arena
So any game with online multiplayer with more than like, 4 players, is a moba?
Is this the sort of thing you're suggesting?
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>>377073041
I'm really not whoever you think I am though.
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>>377071078
Me on Battle Brothers

Art mod when
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>I'd rather play a shitty multiplayer game for months until I get bored with it instead of a really good single player game until it's over
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>>377071501
Unfortunately I have friends who are ok spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on shitty mobile gacha games "Because it's fun" when they can't even pay rent, so I'd disagree.
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>>377072606
found the le*dditor, please go back
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>fallout 3 > fallout new vegas

Only shitters who started with fallout 3 believe this
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>>377072203
I like it despite its flaws, I just wish game "reviewers" would stop throwing 10/10s at every Zelda that comes out just because it's a Zelda.
That or they should at least stop pretending their ratings are objective.
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>>377073273
Haha very funny anon! Let me in
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>>377068963
What do you think is the best AC?
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>>377072745
"Open world" is just a shitty buzzword for sandbox games that have minimal gameplay structure. Instead of being deliberately structured game with goals and objectives you're just meant to fuck around until you happen across shit to do.

Which is perfectly fine by itself, there's nothing wrong with a sandbox game, but it should be taken as a completely different genre of game to coexist alongside "linear" games. It absolutely pisses me off when people think of open world games as being the next step for all games to take, a requirement for all games and the gold standard that all games must adhere too. "Fuck off, not everything needs to be a massive fucking sandbox" is all I can say to that.
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>game with a meme reference is unplayable because of it
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>>377073273
I hate deserts
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>>377072378
Partially true. Video games are a visual medium. If they are unpleasant to look at, they have failed.
Outdated graphics can usually be overlooked by most, but some games have art styles that are just plain ugly.
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>>377073395
Not him but it's a close race between Armored Core and Ace Combat. I'd probably give the edge to Armored Core.
Air conditioning is pretty great too, but not video games so not relevant here.
All other ACs are shit.
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>I didn't play [game] but I watched a LP of it!
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>>377071293
TRIGGERED
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>>377072924
>It's not actually a video game because [X/Y/Z]
The term "game" has meaning. I have no problem using "game" colloquially to include things like VNs and walking simulators and the like, but they are usually not games by any meaningful definition.
But then, I don't say that something isn't a game as if that alone means that it's shit, and that implication is probably what you take issue with.
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>lmao this game is shit
>why?
>*le eric anime reaction pic* leddit get out xD
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I frequent N4G for news. There's a user on there who always spergs out over storylines in games and never talks about gameplay
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>>377073562
Oh fuck my dumb one this is the real worst thing
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>x is a meme
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>>377072783
Oh you mean like call of duty? A multiplayer game where you battle in an arena. Or Mirage arcane warfare. Or any combat oriented multiplayer game at all.
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>>377073371
OPEN UP ANON! I NEED TO TALK TO YOU RIGHT NOW!
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>>377073485
[Hate deserts] (a)
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The complete obsession with efficiency in MMOs, especially runescape.

It seems like nobody plays MMOs just to mull around and have fun, it's all about being as fucking efficient as possible at whatever the fuck you're doing. Runescape is a fucking empty shell of itself because of this.
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>>377073562
kek, did that for RE7
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>>377073791
Go away Tom or I'll pirate 6 copies of fallout 4 then pay obsidian to make 5
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>Fallout games are good
>Dead Rising games are good
>Super Mario Galaxy 2 is bad
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>>377073925
LET ME IN RIGHT NOW! I WILL DESTROY YOU!
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>>377073523
I uh thought he was talking about assassins creed
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>>377073652
Consider the following:

Are video games sandwiches?
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>>377073951
Lol I'm the exact opposite
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>>377073974
You mean like you destroyed the fallout series?

That's it I'm pirating all of the elder scrolls games too
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>the turn-based battle system in RPGs is outdated and obsolete
To be fair, I think /v/ is the only place I've seen anyone say it.
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>Just use mods
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>>377068317
This

So many cunts that hate undertale bc of its fanbase (just an example) and won't play it bc of HURRR DURRR MLP TIER
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>>377073523
legitimately laughed
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>>377072059
You're a fucking idiot my man
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>>377073523
Animal Crossing is actually the best AC.
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>>377074106
YOU SON OF A BITCH
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>Oh you don't like this female character. What are you, gay?
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/v/ is very hostile towards sports games, like they feel they need to be to keep up the illusion of the flippant basement dweller.
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>>377073861
Have you considered that maybe they find increasing their efficiency to be fun?
Do you think they do it because they hate it and want to have no fun?
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>>377074098
(≧ロ≦)
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>>377074232
YOU CANT DO NOTHING TODD, IM BEHIND 7 CAZADORS
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>>377073951
>Fallout 2
>Dead Rising 1

FTFY
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>>377072924
Stories don't matter, go watch a fucking movie if you want story, games are for GAMEPLAY
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>latest e-celeb drama
>any opinion about a video game in relation to said drama
I just don't understand this new generation and their obsession on being outraged over e-celebs
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>This game is 2D and it's and has an unique concept so it's Shovelware
EVERYTIME
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>>377074481
Good story + average gameplay > good gameplay + average story
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>>377071390
The second argument is valid for so many games, especially the scores of arcade games that have co-op.
It sounds like you don't have friends to enjoy games with.
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>fallout 3 or 4 had any redeeming qualities
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>>377074481
Stories don't matter, go read a story if you want story, movies are for MOVING PICTURES
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>>377074595
More like
>Bethesda RPGs are good
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>>377074595
>Fallout New Vegas was better
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>>377069589
>A video game being good is a reasonable guess grounded in reality with supporting evidence.
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>>377074568
You're a loser, I bet you play games on easy to soak in the story and also put music above gameplay.

Gameplay > story anyday

You are ruining games, YOU
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>dark souls 2 is the best game in the series
No way is there somebody that actually believes this.
There's having disagreeable opinions, and then there's pure contrarianism.
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>>377074296
Even normies are pretty hostile towards sports games m8, people rip the shit out of EA for rereleasing the same games every year with minimal changes.
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>>377067816
>Negative opinion on BOTW
>hurt durf didn't play!!

Every fucking thread. I'd like to say it's bait, but considering the average Zelda fan is some chubby 20 something with pubes for facial hair I'm hard pressed to see otherwise
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>>377074778
>Even normies are pretty hostile towards sports games m8
What? No they're not. Everyone and their mum plays Fifa here.
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>>377074778
And yet FIFA hits the charts in Europe and South America year after year after year with minimal changes.
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>>377067816
>story is the most important thing to video games

Nigga, video games are the worst medium for stories. If you want a good story read a book or watch a movie.
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>>377068897
this is true though. I remember trying to replay FF on NES because I found my old system at my parents house and it was terrible.
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>>377074925
Because they close down the servers shortly after a new game comes out.
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>>377071531
But that's true
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>>377067816
>dark souls > x

this game is not better than anything, literally 30% of the game is missing, just like MGSV.

why does this get a free pass?
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>>377075003
>close down the servers

It's all P2P connections
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the switch is a good console.
how delusional do you have to be to like a tablet with a bad controller, nothing but wii u ports, and friend codes in 2017
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>>377074296
People are hostile toward yearly release sports games for being yearly releases with minimal differences, and dismissive toward sports games in general.
Some are praised plenty, though. Many racing games, stuff like Punch-Out, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, SSX, Mario Tennis, NBA Jam, etc.
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>>377071607
Nah mang, early 3D games did age poorly.
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Why is the game good?
>it's fun
Yes. You believe it's fun, but why?
>dude, it's just fun, alright? just buy the game
That doesn't explain what's good about i-
>HAHA LOL GOOD OLE CYNICAL /v/ GRRRR I HAET VIDYA, no one's impressed, dude, fuck off to reddit, I shouldn't have to explain why a game is good, but I'll waste our already wasteful time by tugging you along with empty words, anyway

What do they gain from this?
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>>377074156
I'm part of this anon, whats wrong with me?
No, seriously, when did I became such an asshat
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>>377072118
But who cares? They might not be interested enough in gaming to actually analyse it and figure out what they do and don't like about a certain game, but they're not wrong for enjoying something.
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>>377074747
>You are ruining games, YOU
Whatever you say man
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>>377068963
>AC2 is the best Asscreed
by default it was. although it's not saying much

>>377073523
>All other ACs are shit
well fuck you too, Edison
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>Futaba is too much of a little sister to be your wife
Opinions like these belong to virgins that will never get laid because they don't understand opportunity.
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>>377075096
>the controlled and looked good in the past, now they control and look like shit
No.
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>>377071607
>it hasn't aged well

What if the controls are frustratingly clunky by modern standards but were pretty acceptable or even revolutionary for the standards of the day? What if the graphics strived for realism for the time and now look like microwaved dog shit by todays standards?

Goldeneye controlled amazingly for console shooters back in the day, but dusting off an old N64 I found in work and trying to replay it? The controls are an abortion by today.
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>>377069589
>thousands of years of culture and philosophy are nothing compared to the marketing executives of AAA publishers
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"Smash Bros. is not a fighting game because it's not like every other traditional fighting games, even though it's game that revolves around fighting each other in a stage."
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>>377074893
this happened to me and when I posted a time stamp with the switch running BOTW all I got were people criticizing that I got the Grey JoyCon system instead of Red and Blue. I learned not try to discuss with Nintendofags they're just like Dark Soul fans
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>>377075098
I feel like there's a good chance that this conversation never happened. If it did, the other person thinks you're an insufferable cunt, or at the very least King Autismo.
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>>377067816
i dont have one because i'm not autistic about other people's shit opinions
"fun is just a buzzword" is probably the worst one though
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>These games where you fight players in an arena using weapon pickups aren't arena shooters because you don't zip around at 100mph like a rocket powered ballerina
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>>377075361
Fun is just a buzzword
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>>377068793
kek underrated?
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>>377075394
>i dont have one because i'm not autistic about other people's shit opinions
Why do you even post here, then?
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>>377071390
>It's fun if you have friends
nothing wrong with this unless you dont have any
try being a likable person
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>>377069589
>religion, a belief system based on faith
>stating the obvious
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>>377075053
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>>377075394
>>377075428
Lol
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>>377071531
I been pirating since I was a child and got my first computer, why would I have a change of heart now?
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>>377075269
you're right, most of them never controlled well we just didn't know any better
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>>377075506
Fun with friends doesn't justify a game, because anything can be fun with friends.
It's a meaningless phrase.
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>>377075446
to rile up autists with my own shit opinions
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>>377068317
Except this a valid opinion tho.
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>it's le comfy
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>>377075598
it doesn't need to justify a game. if it's fun with friends then it's fun with friends.
why search for deeper meaning in that?
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>it's le fun
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>>377075304
>believing something with no evidence is culturally enriching and very philosophical
k
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>>377075684
Because we're discussing why a game is good, there's nothing to be gained in the conversation from it's fun with friends.
It's like saying it's not fun when your mom is vacuuming in front of the TV blocking everything with her big butt.
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>>377075684
Because literally any game is fun with friends
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>>377075568
I've been wearing diapers and shitting my pants since I was a baby, why would I have a change of heart now?
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>>377075621
Not it isn't you fucking faggot. If you're so insecure that you feel terrified of being personally associated with a group of autistic retards (of which you would probably fit right in) for liking the same things that they do, than you need to flat out off yourself. Just don't sperg out about it you dumb cunt.
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>>377075684
You're a bit dense.
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>>377075621
>single player game
No, it literally isn't.
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>>377075768
>>377075804
>>377075853
>no friends
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>>377075804
Wrong.
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>>377071913
>hey anon have you checked [game]?
>FUCK OFF SHILL
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>>377075890
I have plenty of friends, they're all on /v/.
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>>377072059
what the fuck i can't stop laughing
this is so stupid
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>>377075339
Fucking this so much. Had the exact same thing happen. Zelda fans are on a whole different level of delusion and fanboyism
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>>377075506
>>377075684
You could have fun sniffing shit with your friends. In the end, you're still sniffing shit.
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>>377075808
Okay so you don't want to have a discussion. Shouldn't have responded in the first place but you probably couldn't help yourself.
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>>377075329
you don't play fighting games smashie, you don't get to define our genre for us. kill yourself.
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>Dark Souls 2 is underrated
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>>377075808
I'm wearing a diaper right now and you cannot stop me.
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>videogames can be considered sports
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>>377075958
no i couldn't actually
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>>377076005
How very mature of you. Tell me what else you haven't stopped doing since you were a kid. Still chewing on a pacifier too?
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>point out objective flaw
>GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY
and the ever popular
>point out objective flaw
>KYS [company] drone
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>>377075890
That doesn't make any sense
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>>377076127
Sounds like your friends aren't really good friends.
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>>377076075
Theyre not which is why theyre called e-sports. Its two differe things
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>>377076018
>if you think Smash counts as a fighting game you haven't played any traditional fighting games
Add it to the list of annoying video game shit that retards say.
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>>377067816

>I like it because I can use it to shitpost.
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>>377076161
You liked Mass Effect Andromeda didn't you?
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>BRB, vaping break
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>>377076127
>no friends
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Claiming that Final Fantasy XIII is good

Honestly, almost any game no matter how bad I can see why people like it or think it's decent but 13 has almost no positives for me. It's a decent soundtrack stapled to shitty everything else and it completely baffles me how anyone likes that garbage.
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>>377075845
>>377075889
If a bunch of retards with terrible taste like a game then it's probably bad.
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>>377076269
Justifiable if you can pirate or borrow it.
It's a great way to accumulate (You)'s in Night in the Woods threads.
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>turn based systems aren't outdated if they have strategy in them
Gotta love how every fuck that says this points to SMT or Grandia as if those games are any different that the 1000000000 other shitty JRPGs whose gameplay is just menus and watching numbers go up and down. Fuck I hate turn based games.
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>>377067816
>you should move one play newer version of GAME
>when newer version of GAME was straight up shit in comparison by catering to casuals
Why?
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>>377070106
What is Prey?
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>>377076287
ok shitsniffer
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>>377076350
Your favorite game is enjoyed by a bunch of retards with terrible taste.

Now's the part where you try to play it off with "psh I don't even like video games" and proceed to lurk for (You)s.
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>>377076281
At least you didn't say smoke break, because those are entirely justified. Smoking around your PC is extremely retarded.
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>>377076256
I PLAYED SF2 ON THE SNES WHEN I WAS A KID FOR 30 MINUTES OK? I KNOW WHAT A FIGHTING GAME IS BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE THAT PLAY THEM FOR THOUSANDS OF HOURS AT A COMPETITIVE LEVEL WHO ALL AGREE SMASH IS NOT ONE!!!!
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>>377069998
>>377074156
triggered autists
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>>377076018
Super Smash Bros, Power Stone, Virtual-On, Gundam Vs, Senko no Ronde, and ARMS are all fighting games, and you need to get over it and calm your autism.
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>>377076350
How would you know what their taste is like if you've never played the game?
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>the writing is bad

just because it isn't 100% serious all the time doesn't make it bad, you retarded niggers
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>>377076272
I've never even touched the series.
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>Dark Souls 3 is the best game in the series
>Dark Souls 3 is a good game
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>>377076607
Alright, good. I was gonna tell my mom on you, but now I won't.
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>>377076481
What genre do you fucking people even consider smash to be?
>>
The people who think Street Fighter and Marvel are the only good Capcom fighting games.
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>>377076272
>replying to a list of generalizations that are considered shitposting with shitposting
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/QgCtGTyA9pYaMYIxRLQk_w/
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>>377076678
Party games.
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>>377076161
>point out objective flaw
>GO BACK TO CALL OF DUTY
Fucking hell, this shit is the worst.
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>>377076590
What if the writing is actually bad?
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>>377076638
it is tho
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>>377069589
oh man check out this cutting edge intellectual over here
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The influx of HotSfags whenever Blizz has some kind of "event" as a whole grates me to no end.

100% of the time they try to pass off their shallow as shit game as better because shit like last hitting, warding, and jungling "isn't fun".

As a lolbab, I can respect DotAfags. Their game is objectively more complex, even if it's not to my taste. It's also a legitimate competitor to keep Riot from going full Jew.

HotS is neither of those things, but the players will try to pass it off as being superior to both because ????
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>tho
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>>377068097
you cant run from the truth for long
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>>377076793
Blizzdrones.
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>>377076590
>implying writing can't be bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgFHIR7lLC0
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>>377076797
there's nothing with this tho, bro
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>>377076816
Completely agreed, random anon who I didn't pay to say that!
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>>377076678
Party games
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>>377075052
Because unlike MGSV, it has replayability.
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>>377075621
you can play the game and still enjoy it WITHOUT joining in on the autism unless your worried of your morbid curiosity and slip right in
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>It's good because it makes other people mad
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>>377076678
>When planning the development of a new game, I always take a lot of care to discuss the concept and try to define it as best I can. For example, I like to think of Smash as a four-player battle royal action game. You'll notice that's a lot longer than saying it's a fighting game, because 'fighting game' is a completely different label. You can talk about a fighting game or an action game or a racing game, but as soon as you define your game specifically in those terms, you start limiting your creative range because you're thinking of the limitations of that genre. Perhaps the best thing we can do now is start with a concept rather than a genre. If we can do that, perhaps we can grow the whole idea a little bit.
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>should of
>would of
>could of
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>All japanese games are weeaboo games

It's just a huge red flag that the person saying it is either an idiot, a fanboy, a troll, or a combination of all three.
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The absolute worst:

>it's fun if you play it while high
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>>377075052
>30% of the game is missing
>still somehow manages to have more content than 99% of AAA games
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>>377077056
>>it's fun
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>if the game has a low skill ceiling why aren't you pro at it
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>game that features fanservice is obviously terrible and just using it to distract you from the flaws
>there is no conceivable way that the game is decent/good and the fanservice is a pleasant bonus
Shantae's no 10/10 but I'm sick of seeing it lambasted on sight. Same with shit like Bayonetta and Skullgirls.
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>>377077078
Seriously, I put fifty hours into it my first playthrough and missed plenty.
>>
>>377076161

Apologies in advance because I'm not really replying to you but your post activated my almonds.

I've seen this argument before and I'm wondering if "objective flaw" is actually objective.

I know receiving a shitty answer or no argument whatsoever can be irritating but when someone says things like "game is too slow" it could also be interpretated as "that other game is too fast".

When you compare skill levels of certain games you are also not being objective because the fact you enjoy something with a highly competitive scenario doesn't mean a more casualized experience is objectively worse.

When you point something that has been done before and it's not as revolutionary as some other people claim you are not really outing the game as something bad or flawed, instead, you are just pointing game is not as original as it looks like (even if said not original aspect is what's making the game popular on the first place), at most you are exposing whoever got impressed by it as ignorants, but it doesn't detract from the quality of the game at all.

And so the list goes on. Beng actually objective seems like a pretty hard thing to do.
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>>377067816
>Halo is babby's first fps! xD
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>>377072059
>That's how retarded you sound like right now
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>>377077091
>ASSFAGGOTS
I'm too ADD to sit down and read abilities and items; though, I don't know how I'm able to crunch down on Dorf Fort and SS13, and a bunch of other autismo-friendly games with ease.
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>>377076161
Every time anyone ever makes a criticism of anything nintendo has made or done, this is a thing.
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>>377077171
It usually is, though, anon-kun.
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>Half-Life 2 > Half-Life 1
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>>377077027
It's a party game that's treated as a fighting game by the community, just like Shrek Super Slam
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>>377077171
>Tfw the babbies that grew up on Halo are now old enough to legally post here and will soon be the majority of the board
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>pronounces WAAAGH!!! as "wog"
>pronounces Swadia as "swaydia"
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>>377067816
>it's overrated
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>>377076793
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>>377077224
Neither of those games are high pressure at all. You can pause DF, and the worst that can possibly happen in SS13 is you fuck up a head role and get a tempban.

In LeL you get flamed and reported for playing like a monkey because not only are you competing with other players, you're making the game harder on your own team.

There's no winning or losing in SS13, so the worst you can do is be annoying.
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>>377077091
this, its like people don't understand that those "pros" spend all their time playing the damn game and are NEETS
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>>377067816
Another:

>Early CODs from Black Ops 1 and prior were bad and requires no skill.

Fuck right off. The amount of effort they put into those games, especially with Treyarch's Easter Eggs, is something you could only dream about from modern devs.

>No skill
The only people that I notice regurgitate this shit are CSGO players who ironically have to pull cheese tactics while camping like a bitch to succeed
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>It's not really difficult/it takes no skill, it's just "insert excuse here"
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>>377067816
>Fighting game inputs are superfluous and don't add anything to the game
>Games that focus on NG+ are inherently bad
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>>377068478
>All open world games are trash empty wasting time simulators
This is true for games of this generation though. Is what I would've said before I played Automata. BoTW is probably a good open world game too.
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>>377077643
>The only people that I notice regurgitate this shit are CSGO players who ironically have to pull cheese tactics while camping like a bitch to succeed
CS players have, as a community, made a huge effort for many many years to try to shit on every other popular fps game and its community, so this is not surprising.
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>>377070417
You are referring to Zelda, but that couldn't be further from the truth this time.
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>>377076725
>>377076913
"party" is not really a genre except when it refers to games in the style of Mario Party (multiplayer minigame collections). Otherwise, it just describes the setting the game is intended to be played in.
Maybe you could call Smash a "party fighter", but it's still a fighter.
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>Casual is bad

Sometimes I don't want to put a fucking ton of work into playing a game
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>>377077659
>>Games that focus on NG+ are inherently bad
ehhhh, I can see a merit to that.

It's the same sort of logic as people not finding it acceptable when an rpg takes tens of hours to open up and get good. It's just bad design for any game to take serious time investment before there's a real chance of reward.
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>>377077715

Dunno man, I love Automata but there is a lot of empty space and invisible walls on it.

Maybe I enjoy it more as a game in general rather than an "open world game".
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>>377077821
It's bad when the game is marketed as competitive.
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>>377077304
Nobody cares about halo anymore
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>morrowind is bad because you can miss
Translation: I don't understand how RPGs work.

>morrowind is bad because there is no dodge animation
Translation: I didn't play the game for more than five minutes, and if I had I'd know that the game has way worse problems than that.
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>>377077821
>Am not a teenager anymore
>Can't put twenty hours into a game in a week.
>Have adult responsibilities

Yeah, sometimes I want to just relax with something that isn't super hardcore anymore.
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>>377077753
But y tho
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>>377071016
All my friends say this all the time. Idk what to say to them anymore honestly
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>>377077908
Name 5
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>that game isn't actually difficult, it's all just artificial difficulty
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>Farewell My Turnabout was a good case, probably one of the best in the series!
I fucking hated everything about that case. Not even the Scooby Doo reference could salvage it.
But it's apparently the best because of "characterization". Fuck off.
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>>377077978
Tribalism. It's the same thing with console manufacturer fanboys.

You like X. You want to feel good about liking and investing in X. Here comes a guy who doesn't like or want X but really loves Y. Better try and assert your dominance to maintain your perception of personal value you've attached to being a fan of X!

It's stupid.
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>>377077821
This
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>>377077938
>venue for the Halo World Championship

The series should have ended at 3
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>>377078018
Overwatch
R6 Siege
ASSFAGGOTS in general
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>>377077473
Where can I find a version of this image without the shitty edit?
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>>377078089
Arena Shooter fans do that too but much worse tho
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>>377078162
*ODST
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>>377078083
>Farewell My Turnabout
Most parts of AA games are pretty bad, and the fandom has always been floated by people ignoring the two hours of slog between OH YEAH moments and just focusing on those moments.
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>>377067816
silent hill 4 and castlevania:harmony of dissonance suck

fuck you memeing faggots who say this
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>>377078221
Arena fan shooters can kinda get a pass since their genre pretty much disappeared and they got shit on. I'd be bitter, too.
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>Dark Souls 2 is the best in the series

Actually stopped talking to someone for good when he told me this
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>>377078089
I agree with all of that, but it seems to be worse in CS than most other communities. Whale, Zelda, Dota vs LOL, etc are like this, but CS stands above them imo
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>>377078236
The thing is there are cases that are genuinely entertaining enough to put up with the slog for, and that is definitely not one of them.
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>It's a good game, just not a good X game!
>If it didn't have SERIES NAME in the title, people would have enjoyed it
Fuck off with this shit. Playing make believe doesn't magically dismiss shitty gameplay mechanics, story, characters, etc.
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>>377078080
Payday 2 & Dark Souls
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>>377078397
Most of them aren't worth it.

I don't think any in the second game are worth it.
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>overwatch is a moba
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>Banjo Kazooie is the best 3D platformer
It hurts me that I don't get the intended enjoyment out of this game that people say you're supposed to. Great soundtrack though.
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>>377078083
I dont think its a bad case but I dont understand why everyone sucks its dick so hard. Edgeworth was the best part of it to be honest.
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>>377078528
I really like Banjo Kazooie but it has way less platforming than Mario 64 or Crash.
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>>377078526
>Overwatch is good
>Overwatch is well-designed and balanced
>Overwatch isn't a clusterfuck
>Overwatch is worthy of it's recognition
>Overwatch has a great artstyle
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>traps are gay
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>>377074156
honestly the fanbase ruined the game with heavy spoilers and making every character into sonic or MLP level autism.

I still enjoyed it but if I played it now maybe not.
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>>377078528
DESU as someone who grew up with the series and revisited it as an adult it's largely childhood nostalgia. The Rare platformers are honestly pretty weak.
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>>377067816
>Gameplay is utter shit
>F-fuck off it has a good story!
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>>377078528
I agree that it's not the best 3d platfomer but it's definitely the best n64 platformer
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>>377070417
>game has relationships so it's bad
>using "mary sue" wrong
>fps isn't quake/doom/unreal so it sucks
>fighting game isn't an sf clone so it sucks
>it has more gameplay features, so it's casual
>muh atmosphere
>metroid 1 is better than zm
And my absolute "favorite"
>this game has no content if I arbitrarily decide what counts as content
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>>377078526
>overwatch takes skill
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>>377078562
Edgeworth coming back was an eyeroll moment, especially when they came up with a dumb excuse to cripple Franziska. That being said he at least made the proceedings a bit more tolerable, until the real stalling began.
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>>377078712
GTA V
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>>377078716
didn't mean to quote
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>>377078528
The gameplay is pretty weak to be honest. The strength of Banjo is how charming it is. The game fucking bleeds charm.
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>I don't like game x and if you do you're a baby cuck

literally why we can't have an halfway decent game discussion anymore
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>>377078713
>but it's definitely the best n64 platformer
I disagree
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>why are you complaing about paid online? >what are you, poor?
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>>377078716
>>this game has no content if I arbitrarily decide what counts as content
I see this all the time in soooo many applications.

People will jump through flaming logic hoops while balancing a spinning plate on their chin before they admit they might be wrong about some fanboy opinion.

I especially love it when people use it to defend bad DLC/disc locked content policies.
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>>377070417
All of them. Elder Scrolls especially.
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>You shouldn't buy another version of Skyrim
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>>377078713
It's not better than Super Mario 64 or Rayman 2.
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>>377078859
Well anon, why are you complaining about paid online?
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>>377067816
>Galaxy/Galaxy 2 is the best 3D Mario game!
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>>377078713
It isn't, just like Crash Bandicoot isn't the best PS1 platformer.
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>If you like this one super popular game you're a normie fag
>If you don't like this other super popular game you're a retarded contrarian
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>>377078902
Pete Hines's mouth is Todd Howard's cock holster.
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>>377072827
>considers watching other people playing games for him "fun"

okay
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>>377067816
>You're waaaay too fun to play I'll have to remove the stuff that makes you fun to play.

and thats how I quit World of Warcraft.
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>>377079010
>arguing with 4chan hipsters
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>Just because all I play is NHL doesn't mean I'm not a gamer bro.
>like you can't just restrict the title from someone because they don't play your game
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>>377079036
I would have more fun watching Uncharted 4 than playing it.
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>>377079036
>fun is objective
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>>377078859
Sonybro backpeddling about paid online was hilarious.

>7th gen
>"LEL EAT SHIT XBOTS, HAVE FUN PAYING FOR ONLINE"

>8th gen
>"i-it's only $5 a month, w-what are you, p-poor?"
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>>377076484
Insecure fag detected.
I bet you care about what /v/ thinks of a game before buying it.
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>>377076793
i dont like mobas much at all, but playing cho'gall with a friend last night for the event was the first time i've actually enjoyed myself in a moba
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>>377078957
Tfw even Nintendo is going to start charging for paid online when their service is bare bones and lag is common and right after Splatoon 2 comes out.
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>>377072116
It has a better atmosphere and focuses more on the cult and mysterious monster town aspect.

Sillent hill 2 isn't even silent hill, it's like it branched off and did its own thing and then everyone else followed that.

I like the silent hill series but I really think SH 1 is the only true silent hill.
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>>377078323
>b-but the second half of Dark Souls is shit

Whoever says this needs when arguing for DaS2 needs to fucking kill themselves. While it is true that the second half is not as the same quality as the earlier levels, and that some of the areas like Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith are shitty, nothing, I repeat, NOTHING can be worse than going through Shrine of Amana, Frigid Outskirts, Black Gulch, or Cave of the Dead. Those are just the worst offenders too, there's plenty of other shit levels to choose from.
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FFXII is a good game
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>>377079010
Dark Souls fans
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>>377078859
>mfw watching Sony and Nintendo fanboys devolve into this with the PS4 and Switch
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>Street Fighter is good
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>>377078716
>metroid 1 is better than zm
I don't see the problem. The original is hugely flawed to the point of being unfun for me much of the time, but it offers a complete lack of handholding or any real direction at all unlike every other game in the series, and I can understand why that would appeal to people, and also why people wouldn't like the last chunk of ZM with the zero suit stealth stuff, or how easy ZM is in general.
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>>377070328
>people who defend ds2 when literally everything is a downgrade from ds1
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>>377075747
There's more evidence for God's existence than evidence for MGSV ever having an ending.
I'm an atheist.
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>>377067816
>Game gets overhyped to death for waifu shit
Looking at you NieR Automata. Not a bad game---solid 6-7.5/10 but far from the second coming of Christ /v/ and it's andriod ass worship lead me to believe.
>Not playing because of [insert political opinion or belief on DRM here]
All games are kinda fucked up when you think about it beyond surface level politicking. Japs force devs into assumed idenities to keep them from getting headhunted, may studios barely pay low level devs/code monkeys a fair wage for how much dosh Assassin's Creed or COD brings in, etc. Yet no one bitches about that just whether or not the game has an interracial romance or if they can pirate it or nah.
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>>377079112
Thats right though.

if you didn't believe that then you could say no one is a gamer until an arbitrary amount of video games were played first.
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>>377078993
Who has the crown?
I quite like Jumping Flash! and Ape Escape so it better be one of those.
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>>377068897
>trying to play ape escape on ps1
>game is running like moped in Finland

The frame rate was 12 And control were delayed. This is my perspective on a "badly aged game"
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>>377067816
When people think Overwatch should be taken seriously.

I've played a shitload of ASSFAGGOTS, TF2, CS, Rocket League and Quake back in the day (albeit not very seriously). Overwatch is a fucking joke and listening to people pop hemorrhoids when I log on for the odd match gets me rolling every time, then upset that there are so many of them. The threads on here send me straight to the latter.
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>>377078206
I wan going to tell you until I noticed you slandered apu's name.
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>>377079196
And you are the exact audience Blizzard wants.

>Overwatch is for people that either didn't enjoy other FPS or just couldn't get good at them

>HotS is for people that either didn't enjoy other Mobas or just couldn't get good at them
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>>377077091
Literally had this argument with my Blizz pandering friends about Overwatch about a month ago.
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>>377079112
According to all those studies revolving around 'X% of gamers are Y' practically everyone is a gamer. They always include people who play mobile and facebook garbage, which is essentially everyone.
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>>377079419
Not him but klonoa is the best for me
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>>377079438
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>377077340
I respect Half-Life 1 for what it is, I completely understand why people prefer 1, but I liked Half-Life 2 more.
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>>377078206
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1086628
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>>377079519
I thought it was specifically a discussion about 3D platformers.
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>>377077643
>from modern devs.
Yeah but compared to other games from those respective times they were still lazy rehashes. Fuck CoD.
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>>377071016
>people are less experienced find a game hard
>feel the need to lord over them that you're a 1337 epic hard core gaymur
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>>377078716
>>using "mary sue" wrong

It basically evolved into
>female that faces zero hardships and her one flaw does not impede her process through the story at all
>shes also the best at everything she picks up, not because the authors inserting but that the author is lazy and need her to win every fight to progress the story and they don't want a girl to ever need help from a man
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>>377079442
is there anything wrong with that tho?
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>>377079160
When the shit did they start autochanging sony gger to sonybro?
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>>377078669
>Overwatch isn't a clusterfuck
thats actually a problem, the maps and shit are way too open and everything is so safe that its never really fun.

it's like a reverse clusterfuck. Theres nothing there.
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>>377079663
>tho
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>>377079435
Even though I don't like TF2 anymore, it definitely beats overwatch in my book. I got 1,600 hours in TF2 I couldn't even push 24 for Overwatch.
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>>377079160
Now Nintendo babies are doing it.

>"LMAO you cucks have to pay for internet then pay to use your own internet to play online."

>Nintendo announces they will start charging for online even though their service is nothing compared to Sony or Microsoft
>"What are you guys poor or something?"

In the end the jews win and you continue your console wars defending them like its your job.
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>>377079653
I'm okay with it in that that is still garbage storytelling and it needs to be called out.

It's more useful this way. Its original use was so exceptionally specific.

Before it became a popular term we'd have to keep trying to explain the issues of perfect people making for boring stories. Now you can throw that term out after reading a manuscript and watch the author either blanche or get upset, but either way they understand.
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>>377079663
Nope, people forget games are meant to be fun. I hate esports and twitch for ruining what games used to be. Play what you enjoy anon.
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>>377079746
At least my credit cards are safe.
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>>377067816
Most opinions don't get me mad until some asshole puts "imo" in their post. Fuck you faggot that doesn't magically make you immune from any criticism imo.
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>>377072121
>hurr durr Germany lost and the allies won so never complain about how there are neo nazis in the West now.

My point is that there will always be stragglers
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>>377079720
Fair point actually. But for a slow-paced game it's a clusterfuck. For a fast-paced game it's too fucking slow.
Oh, that reminds me of another stupid one i've heard from my Overfag friends.
>The game isn't slow paced, I find myself in a combat situation more often than not
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>>377079746
It must be great running a business a bunch of brand loyal retards will rabidly defend like their life depends on it.
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>>377079743
I have to agree, i lost all interest in Overwatch before the beta even ended. I even had more fun playing Paladins, although it has it's own issues
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>If you didn't play games on anything before the N64 you're what's killing games!
I was born in '96 and you can fucking sue me for not playing games as a fucking embryo, and of course by the time I was cognitive enough the GameCube was already out and trying to get your parents to get you old games/systems that have ended production is like asking a fast food worker for a golden Aztec crown. Emulators are a waste of memory and could introduce viruses to the family computer. And of course the first laptop I ever get sucks ass at playing fucking any games whatsoever. Screw you. I'll play what I want and I'll call it fun if I like it and not fun if I don't, my previous experience should have zero bearing on this.
Oh no, a man under the age of 30 on 4chan! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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>I only play Japanese games because the west only developes rehashes
>proceeds to play a double digit entry of a Japanese game
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>>377068897
This wouldn't bother me so much if they'd actually specify why they think so.
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>>377079178
/v/ is pretty right about undertale though. Pretty generic
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>>377078423
What I don't understand is why people follow this philosophy but once RE4 is brought up then suddenly the good-but-not-good-x defense is totally fine.
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>>377071390
>>It's fun if you have friends
This is the case for many games
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>>377079963
like i agree with your point and all but chill out my dude
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>>377079746
It really bugs me since it's an online fee on a handheld. A handheld that also demands you use an app for part of the features of online.

They all know this is bad.
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>>377079746
>In the end the jews win and you continue your console wars defending them like its your job.

So it's like actual war? We fight for Israel and defend them with blood of american men and women.
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>>377079908
>>>The game isn't slow paced, I find myself in a combat situation more often than not

there is like 5 minutes of waiting between rounds before you can play again for 10 minutes.
that shit is so fucking stupid it boggles my mind how people said I was impatient.
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>>377080007
It's pretty much a catch all complain for games that don't handhold you
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>>377068478
This. Don't get me wrong. Majority of open worlds games tend to be shit but there are great open world games
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>>377079746
messy jew hair is cute
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>>377069589
Probably the most legit fedora tipping comment I've seen in a long time.

Holy fuck Mr. Fedora, kill yourself.
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>If you don't boycott the company entirely you're a drone who agrees with everything they do
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>>377080116
They are going to charge for the 3DS online service as well? I really hope there's not a Nintenbro that will defend this.
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>>377079998
>FF15 is the same as FF1
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>>377068897
Would be a valid criticism but nearly everyone who says this on /v/ is usually just a dumbass who couldn't figure out how to get into a game that didn't hold their hand the entire time.

I mean, really, Deus Ex is not that difficult to figure out. They even have a tutorial.
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>>377079743
I'm in the same boat. Played it for years before it got old. Overwatch started to feel old at the 2 week mark.

One thing I also find weird is how relentlessly boring the videos of it are. I don't know how, but IMO they've managed to make a game that has the most sterile spectating value possible. I remember watching TF2 videos for hours watching people pull off crazy shit. So far the only noteworthy Overwatch videos I know of are ones where people have aneurysms over teammates.
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>fast travel is fine

why do game devs make an open world if the mechanics to travel around the open world aren't fun?

if the worlds too big shrink it down.
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>>377080138
Even putting waiting between rounds aside, that doesn't make the game fast-paced.
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>>377079935
Living the dream.
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>>377080271
No, he's just calling the Switch a handheld. 3DS still runs on Nintendo Network indefinitely.
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>>377080226
>kill yourself.

Stop posting this you can get put in prison if the person goes through with it. You may think it's just all fun and games but you don't know who is actually receiving that post and I don't want to see you get put in prison just because you were trying to impress your fellow peers on 4chan with your 2cool4school attitude. I love you no matter what anon you don't need to do this ok?
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>>377080289
THIS
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>>377080287
>>377080151
Nice strawman. The games you played when you were 12 sucked dick.

get dafuq over it or gtfo my board
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>>377072835
no no hes right
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>>377080293
>if the worlds too big shrink it down.

But if you do that then you can't brag about how many square miles your open world is on the back of the box.
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>>377080271
He meant the Nintendo Switch but its still shitty either way. Nintendo realized they might as well start charging for it since their fan base is so loyal.
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While we're here I'd just like to point out that eveyone who replies to a post with (you) or a bait image is a mouth-breathing retard. You're too stupid to realize that replying to those posts is exactly what those people want and you're only making things worse. Not to mention you're making it obvious what a thin-skinned pussy you are.
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>>377080271
He's talking about the Switch.
3DS is still on the Nintendo Network.
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>>377080434
>No, he's right.
Fixed that for you. Stay in school buddy.
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>>377080556
Nice bait.
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>>377080556
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>>377080293
Agreed. Morrowind's problem is that there's nothing going on in the world and you can't fast travel and oblivion and skyrim's problem is that there IS fast travel but there's enough interesting stuff layed around for you to not want to.
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>>377074127
they can fix the short comeings of a game and be used to improve upon the base experiance, you just got to be smart and choose the right kind
like the never miss mod for morrowind
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>>377080361
Where do you think you are?
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>>377080556
what
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>>377080426
Go play with your fucking spinner.
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>>377080623
>but there's enough interesting stuff layed around for you to not want to
>oblivion
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>>377071794
Nintendo is the Denmark of consoles.
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>>377080556
It's worse when the ironically do it. You can practically see the neckbearded fuck chuckling at his desk thinking he's clever before resuming doing nothing until morning.
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>>377080623
I think you got something backwards here.
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>>377073562
Nier is shit and I'm not going to spend twenty or more hours playing a bad game for a decent story that I could just as easily get from a Youtube video.
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>>377069074
>>377067816
>Hello Games comparable to massive corporations
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>>377080293
I dunno, if I EVER have to retrace my steps in a game, even if it would take thirty to sixty seconds, I'd rather just teleport there.

Retread is retread.
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>>377080751
I've spend about 40 hours exploring Morrowind's landscape and barely found anything interesting. Sure, the landscape looks kinda cool but why would I play a game from 1999 if I wanted visuals?
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>>377080556
(You)'re taking this too seriously.
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>>377080804
any time theres a hub.
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>>377073562
That's a statement, not an opinion.
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>>377080641

Go play with your archaic "games"
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>>377080809
And what did you find in Oblivion that was so interesting?
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>>377080870
Maybe you shouldn't blame everyone else for your shortcomings. If you have to use a guide then just do it, maybe you'll eventually start learning how to use your head.
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>>377080870
>>377080426
>so retarded he can't even figure out how to play a video game
How do you remember to breathe?
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>>377080903
Every fucking side quest is amazing. The one with the lady & her basement full of rats, the Daedric quests, (especially Sheogorath and Vaermina's) The Dark Brotherhood, (thieves guild I always found very boring but at least the ending was nice)
you get my point. Need I say more?
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>>377080973
>>377081042

>game has objective flaws
>u only hate it cuz u suck

Add it to the list
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>>377080293

Even smaller worlds benefit from fast travel if there's a number of missions or quests that involve a lot of back and forth.

Traveling around in Zelda is fun. I almost never fast travel. But that weapon quest in Hateno Village means I'm fast traveling there when I need to.
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>>377081059
Also forgot to mention the astounding music and atmosphere.
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>>377079963
The N64 was my very first console and sometimes I feel too insecure to admit it on /v/. Although I've always had an interest in playing older games than that and when I was a kid, I'd play old SNES and Genesis games on emulators all the time.

I've played a bunch of old games and sometimes I end up loving them and sometimes I feel like they don't really impress me or that they didn't age well. Like, Super Metroid is one of my favorite games of all time, for one.

I always wonder what people you're complaining about are going to be like in 10-20 years when kids' first consoles are going to be the Switch or whatever comes after this gen.
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>If you like something you're a companydrone or othercompanyfalseflagger
>If you don't like something you're a companyfalseflagger or anothercompanydrone
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>>377081087
>objective flaws
Yeah, and none of them are the things you have problems with.

Pray tell, what were the "objective flaws" of Deus Ex?
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>>377072789
Illusion by gwyndolin exept smough i guess
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>>377081056
>Anyone who thinks Western video games are worse than Japanese are wrong. Silent Hill, Resident Evil, and Metal Gear Solid are already god-tier.
I am very confused by this statement.

In any case, I prefer Japanese games as they better cater to my taste, but I'm not impressed by the ability to make a list of worthwhile games and properties. That could easily be done with western games too.
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>>377081059
>>377081116
That's nice. So back to the question you didn't answer, what in Oblivion's landscape was so interesting to you?
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>>377080293
fast travel is what saved LoZ BotW for me. None of the content that you could find was interesting to me and there was no reason to find dungeons after a certain point because the bosses were piss easy so you didn't need to stack health upgrades. If Nintendo actually worked on their stories for once I might have spent time with side quest but they aren't know for their story work.
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>>377081194
Aiming is luck based.
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>>377081396
maybe on console...
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>>377081396
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to elaborate instead of assuming you're actually as unforgivably stupid as you sound.
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>>377068793

>Resident Evil

>Silent Hill

>Metal Gear Solid

>Persona

>Monster Hunter

>Gran Turismo

>Steins;Gate (Visual Novels are video games)

>Final Fantasy

>Marvel vs Capcom

>Tekken

>Street Fighter

>Kingdom Hearts

>Devil May Cry

>Siren

>The Legend of Zelda

>Fatal Frame

Anyone who thinks Western video games are BETTER than Japanese viideo games is wrong.

Silent Hill, Resident Evil, and Metal Gear Solid are masterpieces that will be remembered for centuries. They defined genres, especially Metal Gear Solid which revolutionized stealth mechanics.
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>>377081396
explain further
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>>377081490
>>377081507
http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_skill
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>>377067816
"doom is still good"
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>>377081308
>says I didn't answer your question
>brings up some completely irrelevant shit that I made as an "at least this is good" case for morrowind

But yeah, to answer your completely irrelevant question, the landscape, while not the best in the series is still really good
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>>377081581
It's funny to me that you think this link supports your point.

Try and actually explain your stance for once in your life.
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>>377081654
>>brings up some completely irrelevant shit
>>377080809
>I've spend about 40 hours exploring Morrowind's landscape and barely found anything interesting.

>But yeah, to answer your completely irrelevant question, the landscape, while not the best in the series is still really good
Yeah, no, that still doesn't answer my question. Don't play dumb.
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>>377081613
its basically tetris.

it's never going to be bad, it's perfect.
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>>377081741
If you clicked on the link (or played the game), you would know that aiming is percentage based. Percentage=luck

Therefore, aiming=luck.
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>>377081824
It's pretty obvious I meant that I was traversing morrowind's landscape in search of something interesting.
Quit pretending anyone here is transparent but you
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>>377081984
So your complaint is that you can't be accurate with a weapon unless you've trained with it, and even then some shots miss because it's a gun and that's what guns do?
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>>377081519
I prefer Japanese games as they better cater to my taste, but I'm not impressed by the ability to make a list of worthwhile and influential games and properties. That could easily be done with western games as well.

>Metal Gear Solid which revolutionized stealth mechanics
It doesn't do stealth that much different from Metal Gear II so I don't see how it's revolutionary, and you're insane if you think western series like Thief, Hitman, Splinter Cell, etc. didn't push the stealth genre forward.
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>>377081396
>>377081984

It seems to me as if old RPGs are the ones people have the most trouble picking up and are more likely to be blamed for the player's incompetence.
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>>377081581
>>377081984
I love it when people who are bad at FPS games point to inaccuracy and go "look, it's all luck and no skill" like your mechanical skill doesn't matter now that your gun isn't a magic laser.
I had this argument with a friend every time I'd try to get him to play Counter Strike with me, "there's no difference between a pro and a noob player cause it's all RNG!".
You honestly don't know anything about FPS games if you think having weapon inaccuracy at a certain distance makes it 100% luck based.
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>>377082008
>It's pretty obvious I meant that I was traversing morrowind's landscape in search of something interesting.
And you managed to find that in Oblivion. The game where the entire overworld is a generiv fantasy landscape, every cave is a few copy-pasted corridors, and all the loot is based on leveled lists.

Alright.
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>>377082262
FPSes are pretty basic really.

you just predict player movement and get really good at clicking on people.
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>>377082262
Deus Ex is more an RPG than an FPS, but anon is still a shit-eating retard for all the same reasons.
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>>377082342
Yeah, I found the quests, NPCs, music, ect all interesting
I found nothing interesting in Morrowind. Except the landscape as a concept. You have been making a straw man this whole fucking argument.
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>>377082360
[genre]s are pretty basic really.

You just push buttons and do things.
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>>377082481
>Yeah, I found the quests, NPCs, music, ect all interesting
And you couldn't find any of that in Morrowind? Alright then.

>You have been making a straw man this whole fucking argument.
Don't get pissy at me, I'm not the one who thinks Oblivion is good.
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>>377082503
well theres a lot of comp games like fighting games where you need to know a plethora of information at a single time.
Predicting movement, having the right inputs down to the frame.

Shooters are no where near that complex.
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>>377082360
Yes? Pretty much all skill in any video game is predictive ability and twitch reflexes. That's hardly a condemnation.
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>Morrowind is a good game
It's an ugly, broken piece of shit in which you are either completely useless or an unstoppable death god.

Morrowind's music and writing are some of the best in the medium. But the gameplay is worse than garbage.

>>377082608
>you don't need to predict movement in a shooter
What is leading a target?
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