Why did games as a medium peak in gen 6? >tony hawk series

Nostalgia: the post.

shut up bitch. You probably aren't even old enough to remember gen 6

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>>377060263
People tried to make the best game tgey could and hoped that they made a lot of money from it.

Now it's the other way around.

All those games suck.

>>377060337
I'm 31. I remember NES when SMB3 came out.

>>377060319
>>377060414

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willl any other year ever be able to compete with 2004?

>video games were only good when I was a teenager


what does everyone mean by this?

>>377060263
>tales of symphonia

my nigger, last good tales of game before it went full weebshit

>>377060620
>video games were only good when I was a brain dead retard child

>>377060263
Honestly I think it's because most games were fresh and new. Eventually you will get burnt out on these types of games. Also now it seems that money is one their mind more than actually making the game. Also sauce?

>>377060263
You got it twisted a bit. Gen 6 of gaming is better than what came afterwards. However I would say it peaked somewhere into gen 7. For the most part its been a decline for nearly 10 years besides a few good games now and then each year.

Although yeah I will admit a lot of great franchises like Silent Hill, MGS and RE did peak in gen 6.

>>377060263
It was the perfect level of technology where assets were still cheap and easy enough to make that we could still have gigantic JRPGs and such, and development could be more focused on gameplay. Moving to HD made games prohibitively expensive to make, meaning less variety, the death of several genres and more time spent on MUH GRAFIKS than the gameplay.

>>377060263
Not to mention most games today are sequels to 5th, and 6th gen games. Very few original stories

>>377060263
They peaked when they were emulating pen and paper games and catering to hobbyists imo

>>377060659
tales was always full weebshit you just like that one.

Capitalism.
Jackasses in suits with more money than sense took over the industry.
We went from passionate gamers making games to EXECUTIVE MEDDLING.

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>>377060785
>It was the perfect level of technology where assets were still cheap and easy enough to make that we could still have gigantic JRPGs and such
Persona 5 just came out and the average playthrough is 90 hours long.

>>377060785
This is so true that it hurts.

SHE IS THICK!!!!!!! BRAAAPPP!!!!!

>>377060263

why don't milfs ever look like this in porn?

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>>377060895
And was supposed to release in winter 2014.

Even with gen 7 tier graphics and production quality it took them forever to get it done.

>>377060994
women like this dont do porn, they marry some richfag.

>>377060263
Ten years later people will say the same thing about this gen. Because they won't remember all the shitty games they didn't enjoy.

>>377060895
And it looks like a PS2 game running in HD via an emulator. Coincidence?

>>377060486
I'm 31 and I also remember this.

I remember when my best friend in pre-school brought the cartridge to school and I remember how the yellow was striking.

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>>377060583
Like 80% of that is garbage compared to 1998 or even pic related

>>377060263
ANON WANT MILKY

>>377060895
>Persona 5 just came out

Nearly nine years after Persona 4. The gap between 3 and 4 was two years, and they also managed FES during that time. HD development, ho!

>>377060895
The bit at the end about jrpgs was a bad example, but the increase in necessary budget and development times causes a huge number of problems and will only get worse. This is why indie games are often so much more innovative and diverse.

>>377061112
>having that much of a shit taste

VTMB+MGS3+Metroid games from 2004 beat 1998 and the PS2 launch window easily

>>377060263

They didn't. People just got spoiled. Even shit games like Fallout 4 without mods would blow the water out of any game from Gen 6 if they came out at the same time. People have just come to expect more and more to the point that they will never be satisfied. Every good game raises the bar a little higher, and it never comes back down.

>>377060839
As opposed to something like socialism or communism where videogames just don't get made except by hobbyists making crap like Dorf Fort

>>377060583
>willl any other year ever be able to compete with 2004?
1996 blew it out of the water, so I suppose you are correct: 2004 can't compete.

>>377061310
Yeah man, fuck selfish gamers!

>>377061310
Fallout 4 is an objectively inferior game to Morrowind in every way except graphically, and it wouldn't even have that if it came out 15 years ago. What a shitty example.

>>377061381
nah, you're full of shit

>>377061310
That is completely untrue. All FO4 has going for it is graphics, even then the art direction and lighting are garbage.

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>>377061032
but she does

>>377060583
2002 was better with REmake, Metroid Prime, Sunshine, Fatal Frame, Vice City, Metroid Fusion, Ratchet & Clank, Steel Battalion.

>>377061358
>le it's not the best system but it works meme

fuck off capitalist pig

>>377061304
That's why I said "like 80%", you drooling philistine. Those select few games don't stand a chance against the sheer quantity of masterpieces released in 1998

>>377061748
>proposes we use a worse system
no thanks.

>>377061520
any BBC vids?

>>377061439

You know damn well that Fallout 4 would sell more units if it was released side by side with Morrowind. Especially considering that in the days of Morrowind, graphics sold games and word of mouth barely existed on the scale it does today. And in 2014, no idiot is going to buy a game with Morrowind graphics period.

>>377060785
jrpgs were at a decline in the ps2 era

>>377060263
pre order bonuses and dlc were in 6th gen

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>>377060263
It was the first time 3D games were so easily created, so it was a lot of experimentation, mostly of the variety of throwing everything you can at the wall and seeing what sticks. The games they'd make would then reach out to wider tastes and scratch more niche itches.

After over a decade of this, game companies have figured out what sticks, and so that's all they do now.

>>377061931
kys

>>377062002
So you're arguement is... that fallout 4 is better because it looks prettier than morrowind?

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>3rd gen was good
>4th gen was good
>5th gen was good
>6th gen was good
>sega leaves the console market
>7th gen was meh
>8th gen is shit

you let the wrong kid died, thats why!

>>377060337
I'm only 20 and even I remember that gen. The only ones who don't are underages.

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>>377062002
>You know damn well that Fallout 4 would sell more units if it was released side by side with Morrowind

No, I don't. Fuck off with your false premise for an argument. And also fuck off with your delusional scenario where Fallout 4 would have the same graphics if it was released in 2002. If it has been released alongside Morrowind, it would look like Morrowind, and vice versa.

>B-b-but 2002 gamers would be wowed by modern graphics!!!

No shit, you fucking retard. But your argument was that games have gotten better. Games, not graphics. Fallout 4 is a pile of shit as a game, and it doesn't even look good by today's standards. Your entire fucking argument is that if it had been released in 2002 looking exactly as it does in reality, it would have blown people's minds.

Wow, great fucking argument. More than a decade's-worth of technical progress would have been impressive if transplanted back in time thirteen years. Amazing. Truly a brilliant argument for games being better now than they were then. You nailed it, buddy!

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>>377062427
I guess they really did what Nintendidn't.

>>377062543
this joke was funny 10 years ago

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>>377061381
>>377061468
A small sample of the great games from 1996:
>Super Mario 64
>Duke Nukem 3D
>Resident Evil
>Quake
>Pokemon Red and Green
>Civilization II
>Time Crisis
>Super Mario RPG
>Panzer Dragoon II
>Warcraft II
>Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War
>Metal Slug
>Final Doom
>Star Ocean
>Tekken 2
>The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
>Crash Bandicoot
>Persona
>Street Fighter Alpha 2
>Command and Conquer Red Alert
>Master of Orion II
>Twisted Metal 2
>SimCopter
>Dead or Alive
>Tomb Raider
>Diablo

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>>377062594
Thanks.

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>>377062651
dumb animeposter

>>377062613
other years just cant compete.

>>377062347
>>377062446

My point is what I originally said. Fallout 4 would outsell Morrowind if released side by side as AAA titles in the $60 bracket, regardless of when or where, because that is what mainstream gamers want. Get over it. You simply can't refute it logically because humans are what we are. /v/ is only a tiny sample of gamers, and not the mainstream by any stretch.

I think we can all agree that video games pre-2008 were pretty great.

Now we just have shit with some games here and there.

>>377060414
Classic contrarian //////////////v/////////////

>>377060583
Up Your Arsenal, Sly 2, and Jak 3 were all my shit

>>377062934
>What i say is FACT you CANNOT refute it! DON'T EVEN TRY!

Classic example of someone melting down after getting destroyed in an argument.

>>377060659
What was so "weebshit" about Rebirth?

>>377062109
They were, and part of the reason for that was spiralling development costs due to the demand for things like full voice acting. Things have only gotten worse since then.

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>>377062441

>>377060785
/thread
I don't care if we go back to PS2 era of graphics if it meant the level of creativity also came back

>>377063513
This. you could spot the end at around the time Final Fantasy X came out and they didn't have an actual world map like the past 4 entries. Square had to remove that so they could make it more cinematic. That game marked a clear decline in quality for the FF series and jrpgs in general.

>>377060583
1994 >>>>>>>>>>>>

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>>377061763
and I meant that just those 3 beat 1998, if you add everything else it fucking TROUNCES 1998, you pretentious faggot

>>377063896
yet another retard with shit taste

>>377062613
good year, but still can't come close to the glory of 2004

>>377061520
cute feet

I think the actual peak came with the original PlayStation. The PS2 was a great platform but already signaled the beginning of the downfall, which finally arrived with the PS3.

>>377060263
>she was born in 1986
>this is considered a milf
>she would have had to have a kid in 1999 for them to be allowed to post on here
>that means she was 13 when she had a kid
You guys are dumb.

>>377060263
Who is that OP. I need to fap.

>>377060785
This. I almost wish games could have PS3 tier graphics if I could get a game that doesn't have a gaping hole in it somewhere.

Also any game in the fighting genre is being watered down in all the worst ways to make it so theres no skill gap, but it never works. The game ends up still stressful for newcomers, but more boring for returning fans.

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>>377065180
wat

>>377060263
Because you were younger then

>>377065948
>Almost 30
>Someone tells me about some game I missed as a kid
>Go and play it for the first time
>It's breddy gud

No nostalgia involved, games were just better in general back then.

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>>377060785
This.
2001-2005 was that small window of opportunity for devs to get good games out with impressive graphics, while still having a sense of gameplay and well, being a game. The budgets weren't too massive, so you could still get your niche titles alongside the big name titles. I don't know if it was the introduction of the 360/PS3, or HD, or the fact that graphics could look realistic, but after the PS2/DC/GC/Xbox, things went downhill. I blame first person shooters. I saw too many of them getting 9/10 whenever they aired on commercials.

>>377060263
wouldn't sitting like that put a lot of pressure on your spine

>>377066119
>>377065948
Otogi was fucking awesome and a criminally underappreciated game.

>>377065542
Cameron Dee

>>377066226
Much obliged

I would say the golden age was 4th gen, this was when third parties where at their best behavior, and Nintendo as well as Sega were still good. We also had more than just three giants ruling the industry, not a small oligopoly. Vidya was still challenging, we hit that sweet spot in difficulty, and arcades were still somewhat alive.

I would say 6th gen is a second renaissance, though not quite as good as 4th, still a great era.

>>377065180
Retard

Because PC gaming was completely and irrecoverably dead in 6th gen. When games are made for consoles, they're great. When they're planned for PC, they're shit. 2017 looks to be the final nail in PC's coffin, with all these glorious (console exclusive) Japanese games.

>>377061358

Communism gave us Tetris tho

>>377060785
This. Also this was before games started to pander to casuals, so gameplay and level design could be deep and complex instead of shallow, linear, and not just a 'cinematic experience'.

>>377066885
>Also this was before games started to pander to casuals
>what is singstar

dumbass.

>>377060263
Preorder bonuses were usually just little novelty items you got with your game, not parts of the games themselves. Also, as you said, budgets weren't overally inflated, meaning people were free to be more creative under restrictions. And finally, they understood who their markets were. Some were marketed hugely, but for the most part, accessibility took a back seat to dedicated fanbases and demos. JRPGs were sold to those wanting that genre. Fighters, what little there were at the time, were marketed as such. Sports games, shmups, CAHRAZY beat em ups...all made with love and sold to those who wanted it.

No politics, no evident greed (beyond EA's Challenge Everything bullshit)...Just games for enthusiasts and the average kid.

>>377060263
It was the lack of marketing, a game could only surprise you. Now with the freaking hype train you can only be disappointed.

>>377066992
>one game

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>>377066786
[SPOILER]http://store.steampowered.com/app/524220/NieRAutomata/[/SPOILER]

>>377061076
>bringing the cart to school instead of the manual.
WHAT THE FUCK WAS HE THINKING!?

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>>377067009
>No politics
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/take-two-self-censoring-vice-city/1100-6085346/
>no evident greed
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/big-deal-ea-and-nfl-ink-exclusive-licensing-agreement/1100-6114977/
>>377067084
you have to be a delusional retard if you think there was no marketing back then

nostaligafags really are the worst

>>377061381
'98 is more or less the greatest year in gaming, anon....try to keep up.

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>>377067251
>it d-d-d-oesnt count

>>377067326
Marketing campaign and exposure weren't on the same level as today.

>>377067434
t. i wasnt alive during the PS2 launch hype train

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>>377060486
yea im 32 and i remember when smb3 came out. I have one memory in particular that stands out. I remember getting out of bed late at night to play and my mom catching me and putting me back to bed. I probably had pre school or kindergarten the next day. good times. I also remember that mcdonalds had some smb3 related happy meals. I had like a mario with a spring under it that made it "jump" really high or something like that. actually pic related.

>>377067326
>No Politics
You know damn well I didn't mean that stuff anon, considering every medium ever had those same sort of attacks by religious and parents groups. I'm talking more about it effecting the development process initially, not after.
>No evident greed
what part of "Beyond EA's challenge everything" didn't you get before posting an example of EA being EA? Personally I thought the ESPN sports games were better, and it was unfortunate they didn't last because of that obnoxious deal.

>>377067343
>No Politics
You know damn well I didn't mean that stuff anon, considering every medium ever had those same sort of attacks by religious and parents groups. I'm talking more about it effecting the development process initially, not after.
>No evident greed
what part of "Beyond EA's challenge everything" didn't you get before posting an example of EA being EA? Personally I thought the ESPN sports games were better, and it was unfortunate they didn't last because of that obnoxious deal.

>>377067859
>>377067907
>delete post
>post it again twice

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>>377060263
Budgets weren't insanely inflated so games could be made fairly cheaply and significantly faster. 7th gen pushed for more graphically intensive games as gaming reached further and further towards a lowest common denominator of casuals. (pic related)
Japanese developers were also still dominate and that resulted in a plethora of creative games.
DLC, Microtransactions, and Games as a Service business models weren't a reality so developers focused on mainly make concrete singleplayer games. Microsoft and other companies popularized this shit the next generation and it was all downhill from there.

>>377067394
The difference between then and now was that most of that shit was shovelware. There wasn't this prevailing attitude among game developers that that they needed to target casuals to the detriment of hardcore fans of a particular series or genre. And even games that managed to find a more casual audience, like Smash, Mario Kart, or Halo, managed to find the sweetspot between pleasing casuals and hardcore gamers alike.

>>377067763
>>377067859
>>377067907
how do you fuck up this bad?

>>377068008
I honestly don't know. I'm surprised myself in all honesty.

>>377067985
i have to give it to you, you did a pretty decent job of backpedaling.

>>377068075
I wasn't backpedaling there, but thanks, bro.

>>377068065
its alright. at least you owned up to it

>>377067635
I was. But the hype for a console back then is now the hype for any new AAA game.

>>377060583
the year after when Psychonauts came out

>>377068206
Just allow me this...ahem...HIRROOOOOOOOOO

>>377068192
>>377068248
god, i hope /vr/ accepts the rest of 6th gen so you faggots can fuck off

>>377068348
Sry kids, you will have to deal with us for at least 5 more years

>>377061167
And Persona 3 was nearly 7 years after Persona 2. SD development, ho!

>>377068248
I remember watching a news report with my dad one saturday night nearing the PS2's release...seeing footage of Tekken Tag blew my mind. But most everyone in school at the time was talking about it because most of us all played games to some capacity. Granted it's much more mainstream these days, but I think that has more to do with the fact that the generation hyped for PS2 back then are now older, still consuming, and even passing on the love to families of their own. and because they market to the retarded every man.

>>377062934
Nigga you dumb, not even kidding

>>377060583
TW: Rome 2 was better
jk

>>377068248
Um....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44UYiwZLhp8

>>377060263
whats with this image?
it's literally unsaucable

>>377067967
>harder means it's better

>>377069113
it's real

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>>377069113
Is it?

>>377060263
who dat

google just tells me 'mature women' wtf?

looks prime to me

>>377068627
>Persona 3 began development in 2004, after the completion of Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga

Dumbass.

It's going to be fun in 5 years when shitters start saying 7th gen was the peak and games will never be as good again.

Videogames were never good. Explain one that is without using shitty buzzwords like "fun"

>>377067967

>Playing Mario makes you a casual

This is the problem I have with the current state of the industry. Genuinely good games like this are now trashed, and playing them makes you a heathen. I miss the days when games like Super Mario Bros 3 were considered good and okay to play.

>>377060263
Cause you were a dumb kid-teen during the gen.

Gaming peaked at pong

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>>377060263
>gen 7
>inb4 underage

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>>377069237
unf

>>377069493
As sterile and counter-creative as NSMB may be, it's still a game at its core. Games like Sunshine, 64 and Galaxy are way more in-depth than half the shit that's being pushed as 'real' games. Another factor that grew support around that time: Mature games being good and cutesy platformers being lame, gay or bad. That mindset was laughed at back in the 90's, then when graphics got good enough, they slowly creeped back into the spotlight.

>>377062613
>SF Alpha 2

I want to play more games with broken shit in them. I won't forgive Capcom any time soon for what they did to street fighter.

>>377069783
feet is the stupidest meme

>>377069929
>scat
>armpit
>neck

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>>377069929
You meant futa right

>>377070086
>futa
i still dont know what the fuck that is despite posting here for eight years and i'm glad I don't desu

>>377060620
It's speak for people that can't realize they're aging badly so they blame everything else around them.

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>>377060583
If these all came out today /v/ would shit on em hard.

>rehashed shit
>first game was better
>not exclusive
>weebshit
>niggershit
>dead game

etc.

>>377069810

Yeah I remember the shift, and it was depressing. Many people were "moving on" to games like Final Fantasy 7, and games like Donkey Kong were considered lame or kiddie.

Maybe it was the age many of us were at. Turning 13 or 14, you go through some phases. I remember I went through one where I was basically ignoring any game unless it was balls to walls difficult. I felt more "grown up" when I played these incredibly hard games. Now that I'm older I don't feel like I need to prove myself anymore, and I just pick up whatever seems interesting.

>>377060263
Video games became too commercially successful.
Once soulless moneygrabbers smell cash they do anything to exploit a source of income until it's dry.

Now these people loom over anyone who just wants to create video games out of passion and destroy their vision with restrictions based on questionable research for the sole purpose of increasing revenue.

If you are not a pleb you will think 2000 was the one true GOAT year

>Deus Ex
>Red Alert
>RE3 Nemesis
>Banjo Kazooie
>Majora's Mask
>Baldur's Gate
>Perfect Dark
>Pro Skater 2
>Thief 2
>Spiderman
>Chrono Cross

Search deep within you, you know it to be true.

>>377060263
Video games and music have a lot in common people keep forgetting there's someone behind the scenes that make the magic and lately we haven't had a whole lot of that but like all cycles it will repeat

>>377070518
So do you only listen to mainstream music or

>>377070364
My tastes then are the same as they are now. I never liked the mature, realistic games though I loved Devil May Cry. I hated my brother for scorning me for liking Pac-Man World 2 and Rayman 3. I never liked sports title, either but Virtua Tennis was fun as shit. I still go for colorful games, or whatever catches my interest.

>>377070456

For me it was 1994

Super Metroid
Donkey Kong Country
Sonic 3 and Knuckles
Wario Land
Final Fantasy 6
Megaman X
Megaman 6
Darkstalkers
Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo
King of Fighters

>>377060406

Sadly true

>>377070826

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't really into mature games either. But in my early 20s, I became obsessed with playing hard games, so I just went back and played a bunch of them.. Shit like Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts, Contra 3, shmups, etc. I was fixated on anything "hard", not necessarily mature. Mine are pretty much the same as they've always been too. It's just I'm past that phase where I needed everything to be hard.

I enjoy Bayonetta, but yeah, for the most part I'm not really into anything too realistic. My friends were all into Final Fantasy 7, 8, Resident Evil, GTA, etc. I played the occasional one like Metroid Prime and Time Splitters though. I hear ya on sports too, not into that at all. Never tried Virtual Tennis out though; that's for Virtual Boy, right? Or am I remembering wrong?

>>377070884
It was...a very good year.

When we had that many games on a single console (ps2), we were more likely to find games we liked. The problem today is they just won't take those kind of chances with that much money (not to mention time) anymore.

>>377070826
>I still go for colorful games, or whatever catches my interest.
I remember it was the only reason I considered ever getting Auto Modilista, and one day I found it used and scooped it up right away. Worth every penny I think. Still play it on occasion even if I hate less arcadey racers.

>>377071243

I guess I don't have a favorite year per se, but one of my favorites is 1994. And I'll always fondly remember 2001, because of Gamecube and Melee. The early to mid '90s of course, and even a little bit of late '80s.

>>377070086
I want those toes in my mouth

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>>377071242
Dreamcast.
On that note, 1998-2001 was my favorite period. Too many good games, and the Dreamcast was THAT console. Holy shit. The minute SEGA dropped out the race, that was the start.

>>377070884
Eh I feel the industry was too platformer heavy, for me things got interesting once developers started working on new genres.

I mean none of them are bad, but you just listed 7 platformers and 3 fighting games.

>>377069475
Admittedly some of my favorite games ever were released gen 7. RDR, ARMA3, EDFs. There's been good shit in every gen. Even I can see there's been less and less each go round, though.

>>377067967
>Casual
facebook, phone
>Normie
I saw that trailer for that game once and it looks cool so i'm gonna buy it when i see it at the mall.
>hardcore
Actually pays attention to vidya/tech press and reads reviews/interviews about upcoming games and favorite genres.
>autist
You, since you're reading this.
>competitive pro
Able to earn a good living with playing and winning games against other equally competitive players.

>>377071513

There's plenty of strategy games to speak of in that era, including experimental FPSs like Doom, and even top down shooters like Zombies Ate my Neighbors. I feel like people stereotype that time as one where it was only about platformers. There were definitely more games to speak of, like Mother, Shining Force, Robotrek, etc. And I did list an RPG there, Final Fantasy 6.

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>>377071484
dreamcast era was my shit. sega just didnt give a fuck and went all out in a blaze of glory.

>>377071962

Who's that in the picture?

>>377072228
it was segas mascot in japan during the dreamcast lifespan. it was basically what segata was for the saturn.

http://segaretro.org/Hidekazu_Yukawa

>>377063751
I would be more than okay with PS2-era graphics. Especially near the end of its lifespan, it had some beautiful games.

>>377073253
and at 1080p even early games look fine

>>377060583
Tribes fucking VENGANCE?


Are you a god damn moron?

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2007 WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF GAMING
CoD4, Halo 3, and GoW brought in the wave of casuals that tilted the market away from creativity and more towards series with 12 yearly installments
Also what this anon said >>377060785
not to say that good shit doesn't come out now and again, but its less common and often less original

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>>377069113
Literally took me 3 clicks using reverse google search.

>>377060263

Gen 6 was when Japanese devs were still at their peak and western devs were finally starting to come into their own. Then gen 7 happened and ballooning budgets crippled most of the Japanese industry and forced the western industry to play it significantly more safe.

Gen 8 is, at the very least, an improvement, particularly the last year or so, and especially since the start of this year. This is partially due to tools/tech catching up to the point where making a game that looks decent on current hardware isn't as hard as it was at the equivalent point last gen and partially because we're just finally over the idea that a game has to look like it's fully taking advantage of current hardware to be considered good.

I'm cautiously optimistic that in another decade or so we'll see this time as the point where the industry was finally climbing out of the relative dark age that was ~2005-2015. But I could also be wrong and this is just a brief period of unusually high quality due to all the good devs blowing their proverbial wads at roughly the same time before we go back into another slump of most games being shit.

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>>377064023

>2004,

>The year xbox kind of sort of got Online multiplayer FPS and half-assed it.

halo 2 a shit and you're a faggot.

Tribes 2 forever.

>>377060263
you forgot one, anon
>Timesplitters 2
The best fucking game ever made.

>you could have deathmatch fights between lawyers and snowmen who scream "I'M MEEELLLTIIIING" when you set them on fire
No other game can compete ... and yet, of all the fucking reboots they're doing, they don't reboot Timesplitters.

>>377060263
>Older games - Made to the best each sytem is capable of. Complexity was a good thing
>Modern games - Made to better than a single exclusive system is capable of, other systems get the same thing even if they can do better or need worse. Made as dumb as possible with minimal complexity.
I wonder why modern gaming is worse...

>>377076654
Still you do understand why Souls-games are popular and """hardcore""", right?

>>377077012
Because they kept some complexity so had at least one thing up on other games that ran like shit and had no complexity?

>>377077012
no. Super GnG is hardcore.

>>377067967
>playing dwarffortress always seems to make me part of some elite class of gamers.

Can't wait to send squads off site

>>377077370
just shows how casual people are when they all seem to consider DF as "hardcore"

>>377077365
I know that Souls isn't hardcore, man, I mean that Souls-shit are one of the games which follows old principles of gamedesign as a whole, without all that modern bullshit

The xbox 360 killed games. The xbone continues to kill games. PC gaymurs are now the biggest reason why gaming is dying. Sony and Nintendo are the only two companies that still care about games

>>377077802
>Sony and Nintendo are the only two companies that still care about games
>companies that still care about games
>companies
>care
Know how I know you are raging cockfag gay?

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>>377077802
>Sony

NeoGAF is that way. Shit like Horizon Zero Fucking White Males, paying for slow ass PSN, and cinematic movie experiences are what they're known for these days. They're just as cancerous as MS.

>>377060263
It was a time right before the media hit mainstream corporate, the technology allowed for games to be made to some extent that the creators wanted and they were experienced enough that they could do it well. It was just good timing with many variables.

>>377060263
>Why did games as a medium peak in gen 6?
HD graphics.

There were probably a number of other factors involved, but the push for HD graphics is probably the biggest one. It meant more focus on visuals, which required much more focus on the development time for visuals. This increased the budgets for video games. And, as a result of the larger expenses in making them, publishers were less willing to take a loss. Video games focused more on "sure sells" with popular genres like FPS, video games saw more and more sequels of existing successes, video games saw less random wacky middle-market titles, and video games saw much more focus on marketing in order to drive game sales.

Like I said, there were probably other factors. PS360 was the first time that consoles could really receive good PC ports and so developers were willing to jump onto the console market. Development between PS360PC was relatively easy as well, which meant more marketing in order to stand out from every other PS360 game being released. Unsurprisingly, this is also when PC games started going to shit.

But you can probably tie a lot of it to the HD graphics and a lot of the stuff that came along with it.

>>377078489
>video games saw less random wacky middle-market titles,

Probably the biggest casualty of the last gen or so.

>>377078129
>a company cannot care about the products/services it provides

really activating those almonds

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>>377060263
good shit

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>>377079778
>no imperfections on her thicc legs even in 4k

wew

>>377060583
Reminds me of the "best gaming year" tournament going on at Gamefaqs right now. 1998 is going to win though because thats when OoT and pokemon r/b came out.

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>>377079778

>>377060583
'98

>>377061520
has she done cuckoldntr?

>>377081754
google yourself you faget

>>377079778
I want to see her get filled with a BBC, both holes

>>377060263
I can't get over how hot this fucking picture is.

>>377082291
i honestly can't tell if cuck posting is just ironic now.
What's wrong with you fucking losers?

>>377060263
Budget inflations and investors chasing trends.

That's literally it.

would you a sugar mama?

>>377060263
>gen 6
_.-The 4 key is over there
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>>377067967
>Metal Gear more hardcore than Dark Souls

>>377060263
This woman looks nearly identical to my mom.

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I've seen this exact sort of thread before, only it was 15 years ago and 16-bit was the golden age while the PS2 was where everything went to shit with big budget graphics over gameplay garbage for mainstream casuals who were ruining the industry.

>>377087218
To be fair, PS1 games did look like shit and there was an overly strong focus on cinematics. Sure, your 2D games still looked great, but you were stuck with load times and even the Final Fantasy games were more focused on cutscenes and large open worlds than actually flying around and enjoying those worlds.

However, the advantage was that we were still getting the otherwise good games, so we still had both available. You could play the good new games and the good older games on something like a PS2.

That died in the latest generations. Nobody makes the older games anymore. Nobody even makes the niche newer games anymore, at least not outside indies.

>>377075348
BRRRAAAAAAP