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Explain to me why only Kamoshida is demonized for fucking his

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Explain to me why only Kamoshida is demonized for fucking his students when Kawakami does the exact same thing? Both would have been sent to jail if the police found out.
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>>377021695
Because I want to fuck that christmas cake.
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>>377021695
women can't rape men, silly
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>>377021695
One did it without consent, or otherwise coerced them into it.
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>>377021695
Because men are women are not the same you retarded sack of shit
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Kamoshida raped girls and broke the legs of a star athlete because he was too rebellious for him.

Kawakami wears a maid outfit so she could make enough money to apologize to a family she did nothing wrong to. And then she got swooned by protag because it's protag.
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>>377021695
On e of them physically and sexually abused students against their will, and generally forced / coerced kids into doing terrible things, while the other was pursued by the student, and only through building up a relationship did anything actually happen, if anything happens. You can elect to just be a friend with her, which is also totally valid.

I guess technically they're both rape, but they're very different kinds, and I think there's nothing wrong with an 18 year old wanting to fuck someone older
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>>377021695
There's a difference between illegality and morality. What Kamoshida did was illegal and wrong, what Kawakami can optionally do it illegal but not wrong because Joker basically has the mind of an adult
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>>377021850
feminism at its finest right here
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one was sex assault, other was paid for with consent of both parties for low low price of 5000 yen
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>>377021695
Because she's cute so it's all right
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>>377021695
Because you made it mutual.
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Protag should go to jail for being to swag?
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>>377022067
>raped girls

No factual evidence stating he raped a girl. Mere accusations.

He fought Ryuji out of self defence.

>Kawakami wears a maid outfit so she could make enough money

She's a dumb bitch who could have got any job with small hours that pays more than 50 fucking bucks and wouldn't throw her career away
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>>377022156
taking the bait at its finest right here
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>>377021695
There's a discussion to be had about consent laws but it would lead to the unfortunate conclusion of "teenaged girls are a lot dumber about sex than teenaged boys." That's not to say the guys are smart about it, but they at least know exactly what they want out of the relationship. It's more likely that the girl is being taken advantage of while the boy is fishing for high fives from his friends.
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>>377022259
Fuck off kamoshida
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>>377022426
Nah boys are dumber for the sole fact they're easier to manipule as a hot older women than the reverse.
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>>377021695
t. Kamoshida
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Aside from what everyone already said, Kawakami and Joker didn't fuck. Like, it's still pretty weird for a 26~ year old to be in a relationship with a 17 year old, especially when they're teacher/student, but she didn't really take it beyond that.
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>>377022259
>have got any job with small hours that pays more than 50 fucking bucks
Eh, not really. She's a teacher, and doing a side job as a burger flipper is too public, and doesn't pay as much as 50 bucks for maybe 30 minutes worth of work.

If she gets requested enough, she can make bank, and generally the time commitment is so low, she can still work on her teacherly duties, which extend even into the off hours.
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>>377021695
>>377022067
Pretty much all characters said it was a case of sexual harassment not rape

Kamoshida in confession mode even said it was sexual harassment
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One was rape and blackmail

The other was completely consensual that had to be eased into to be comfortable on both sides

If you haven't played the game you shouldn't talk about it, fuck off
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>>377022704
There was no rape, all of the characters even said so
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>>377021953
>>377022067
>>377022113
>>377022116
>>377022704
Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right.
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>>377022807
Who cares, sexual harassment is still a crime.
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>>377022582
Yes she did. Did you think mc3 and mc4 didn't get laid with any of the girls just cuz they don't mention it?

They implied it a lot with how the conversations went and how the scenes cut off in the middle of their provocative conversations. You don't need to be smart to realize that. It's the same bull shit if you read scott pilgrim, you'd think he was beta af but he fucked pretty much a lot in the 6 comics.
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>>377022704
>Dude just because it's consensual doesn't make it statutory rape
This is what Kawakamifags think
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>>377022546
It's tough to call it manipulation when most men will stick it into any 7/10 or higher that displays an open interest in getting fucked by them.
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>>377022653
>If she gets requested enough, she can make bank,

Except she doesn't.

Hadly ever does since she constantly says the MC is her only real client.

Tutoring some fag online for a few hours at night would make much more money and has better chance than anybody picking her has a maid
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>>377022892
Except even in the the confession mode it was said to be harassment.
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>>377022350
I know nothing about this anime except she seems really popular amongst shitposters, what's up with that?
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>>377022916
>Sex with a 16 years old in Japan
>Where age of consent is 13
>Statutory rape
Your burger is showing.
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>>377022916
Laws of consent in Japan are inherently different fucko
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>>377022918
But women will know exactly what you want and guage you to do favours for them while teasing you, kids would be dumb as shit and do whatever they say as long as they can get with the chick.
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>>377022835
It does matter because its the equivalent of saying that JRPG characters perform blatant necromancy
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>>377021695
Kamoshida made unwanted advances on students.

Joker and Kawakami entered a mutual relationship.
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>>377023115
>>377023137
>implying US law isn't universal
el oh el, get fucked pedofaggots
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>>377021695
Romancing cakes is a mistake!
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>>377021695
age of consent is 12 in japan. i don't think it's actually illegal what they're doing
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>>377021695

Because Kawakami's second job is an actual job in Japan and she wasn't taking advantage of or abusing anyone.

Kawakami's entire plot is you pursuing her. If anything, you're the aggressor. Kawakami's story doesn't result in students attempting to kill themselves or get threatened with expulsion in comparison.
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>>377023092
She marries her brother at the end.
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Because in both cases, the female here is reluctant to do what the male wants to do. The only difference is that in Kamoshida's case, it was reluctance due to constant abuse and no choice in the matter, versus Kawakami's, which was fear that it would be seen as abusive for her to enjoy her student's advances.
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>>377021695
because women are children and no one expects them to act like adults :)
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>>377023341
You're the reason everyone hates us
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>>377023407
>i don't think it's actually illegal what they're doing
Nigga, Kamoshida's actions definitely fall under sexual harassment. He is a criminal no matter how you look at it.
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>kawakami
Who?
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>>377023436
>Because Kawakami's second job is an actual job

Yeah a degenerate one.

>taking 50 bucks of your own student is legal
>baiting him in texts to pick you up

She would be in the slammers
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>>377023115
>>377023137
>implying 16 year olds can consent
Genuine kek
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>>377023483
You're the reason aliens won't make contact.
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>>377021695

The former was fucking students

The latter didn't unless your Joker was a granny grunter.
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>>377023341
>Not even individual states have the same laws
>Around 1/5 of the world uses Common Law
And people wonder why US lawyers are such idiots when they go to international courts.
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>>377022259
>kamoshida did nothing wrong.

This is the worst meme.
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>>377023341
age of consent is as low as 16 in some states
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>>377022824
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>>377021695
answer is simple

Kawakami's social link is optional, and even so if you do it you dont have to date her, and while its still gross if you do, at the very least its consensual between them.

Kamoshida fucking rapes and physically abuses his students.

simple answer, anyone who doesn't see it is fucking blind.
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>>377023443
Really gets the neurons firing
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>>377023647
Worked out for at least one person
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>>377023647
Most states put age of consent at 16/17, genius. Only 9 put it at 18, iirc.

You know which countries have the highest age of consent on average? African shitholes and middle eastern idiocracies where you have to be married to have sex. Good company you're trying to keep there, buddy.
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What is seriously the point of these bait threads and why do people not report these on sight and ignore them, christ.
Reported.
Hidden.
Get a life.
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>>377023169
It's an interesting dynamic. Men just want sex because the sex feels good. This is true for the teenager and his older counterpart in the gender swapped scenario. The women however want something out of the relationship besides the sex. At least usually, although even the sluttiest girls do it because it helps their social status at time. The teenaged male is willing to do other stuff in exchange for more sex, but the older male is keen to the teenaged female's wants and is more likely to continue leading her on in the vague hope that it will lead to either something more meaningful or a tangible reward.

So basically the teen male older female relationship is just more likely to be mutually beneficial to the parties involved than the teen female older male relationship.
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>>377021695
Because Kawakami isn't extorting Joker, he's just dicking her because he wants to.
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>>377021850
This desu. C'mon OP, women are immortal.
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>>377021695
Why does Sae get off easy while Papa Vader gets a cap in his ass?
Why is every female S Link a waif?
Why are only the male characters treated as idiots and berated for their character faults?

Pandering. They aren't going to demonize what you want to fuck.
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The student came onto Kawakami, Kamoshida came onto the student.

I don't get why people bother pretending that Kamoshida was in anyway not a piece of shit when his palace leaves nothing to interpretation. He sees and treats his male students as slaves, and his female students as sex objects.
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>>377024102
You do know announcing reports will get you banned right?
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Not sure how it is in Japan, but age of consent doesn't really matter in the case of a teacher dating a student. Even if the student in question is of the age of consent and willing, the teacher can still be charged because in most places it's illegal for a teacher to date their student because the teacher is in a position of power over them which means the student technically still can't consent. A lot of job fields and the military also forbid someone from dating their direct supervisor or someone directly in power over them.

It's one of those laws where no one is actually getting hurt but is still against the law anyway to protect the "victim". If the school found out about Kawakami and Joker's relationship she might not get arrested, but she would most likely be fired. So yeah, it's still morally wrong and generally frowned upon. But the difference between her and Kamoshida is that Kamoshida was intentionally abusing students both sexually and physically against their will, which is a lot more blatantly harmful. Fuck off with this meme.

On the plus side, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Joker dating Tae or Chihaya.
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>>377023137
>>377023341

wew

Although I'm pretty sure there are additional stipulations in a lot of these states that prevent something like a 30+ year old teacher sleeping with a student, even if the age of consent is as low as 16. In some states I think that only applies if both involved parties are around that age.
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>>377022067
>Kawakami wears a maid outfit
Don't forget the prostituting herself part
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>>377024341
Kamoshida is truly a disgusting mop head. He realized that he's gonna be an old fart in the future so he's taking out his anger on poor students.
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EVERYONE in this thread is a fucking idiot and needs to be shot
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>>377024424
What's with this shitty meme? She is not prostitute. She considers it when she's in the hospital, but MC helps her so she doesn't.

If she actually were a prostitute, there would be no point in that whole hospital scene.
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>>377024402
>If the school found out about Kawakami and Joker's relationship she might not get arrested

If joker wants to, she could EASILY get arrested and play as the victim, he has evidence through text she tried to bait him and then bullshit she forced him to give money otherwise she would make school life hard for him, japan don't treat well to sluts
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>>377024402
>On the plus side, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Joker dating Tae
absolutely
>or Chihaya.
dumb country bumpkin
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>>377024402
I'm sure Kawakami is waiting for him to graduate to even go beyond first base
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>>377023137
>>377023115
that law Is to allow teems to fuck other teens, not so that a 40 year old greasy fat buffoon can fuck a 13 year old girl
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>>377024740
I find it pretty funny when people see sex scenes and sexual innuendos in fuking random dialogue text, yet pretend to be so fucking naive that LOL BRO SHE WAS ONLY WORKIN AS A MAID with a slutty french maid uniform
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>>377024402
Nah she would get arrested because the parents of the other kids would reveal what happened and testify against her and say she is doing the same shit
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>>377024416
You do realize the game doesn't take place in America right?
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>>377024986
This smells like a pasta
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>>377021695
For one of them, the student was not only consenting, but it was his initiative.
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>>377024986
The ratio legis means fuck all. Let me see you argue that in a court of law: "Uh, the person who made the law didn't have this in mind when he made it".

You can do anything the law doesn't prohibit. In this case, fucking a teacher is still against the law IF the teacher used her position of power to get said sexual intercourse. However, if the relationship started without the use of her position, it's totally legal.

Now her individual contract with her school should have a clause about not fucking one of her students so she'd be fired on the spot.
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>>377025167
As I said, there would be no point in the hospital scene if she were a prostitute. She says something like

>I might have to transfer to our branch company
>you know what that means right

That's not innuendo, is pretty obvious what she's talking about, and if she were already a prostitute, she wouldn't have any problem with it.
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>>377021695
Kawakami was always saying STOP until the MC swag was too strong to handle.
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>>377021695
Because she's a women, OP, you silly goose. Now hurry up and go to work so you can pay for that alimony while only seeing your children on the weekends.
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Actual high school teacher here.

It's explicitly stated in our contract with whatever school we work at that you're not allowed to have a relationship with students regardless of age. You even have to take an entire class about why banging students is a no-no and will get you in trouble. The actual law varies by state, but if you get caught it's most definitely going to get you canned and will very likely land you on the sex offender list even if you don't actually get arrested. And good luck getting another teaching job after that.

Maybe it differs in Moon land, but at the very least Kawakami would get fired if someone found out. Depending on how they wanted to spin it too she would probably get arrested even if Joker tried to vouch for her and say he initiated the relationship. It's supposed to be the teacher's responsibility to say no and not give in. Which is why she's adamant about it at first.

It's morally wrong, but comparing her to Kamoshida is still fucking retarded. He was using his position to abuse multiple students in different ways without any remorse. Also, given how shitty the school and students in general seem to be, they probably would have demonized Kawakami as well if it ever got out precisely because of the Kamoshida incident.
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>>377026515
as you say it's not allowed, but if it's morally wrong is subjective
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>>377021695
Explain to me why Kamoshida went after gross little pissbabies when there was a smoking hot 10/10 woman right next to him that he could have had?
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>>377026728
either he's into teenage girls or he enjoys having power over his partners
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>>377025296
>thinking that burgers realise that other countries than clapistan exist
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>>377026890
But it's easy to have power of Kawakami. Just threaten to expose her side job.
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>>377026728

Kamoshida was all about control and wanting to have power over people, hence why he saw the students as slaves in his Palace and considered himself a King. If he was just in it for the poon he could have easily picked up some hookers in Shinjuku. Even though he was washed up he was still in good shape and had some relative popularity due to his past. He wouldn't have had that hard of a time picking up chicks normally. But he looked down on people and more or less wanted them to worship him.
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>>377026998
maybe he doesn't know
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>>377027107
>not stalking your gorgeous co-worker until you find dirt on her
>not blackmailing her for sexual favors
Kamoshida deserved everything he got.
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If it's not rape then what kind of sexual harassment did Kamoshida do to Shiho to make her want to kill herself? Drive bys?
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>>377025296
The game takes place in an imaginary city. It could be in Arizona.
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>>377022824
Listen to this man.
He's clearly an ally of justice!
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>>377027364
Japs are just crybabies in general and will deem you a pervert for even looking at a girl for more than 5 secs. You ever wonder why they have a declining birth rate and have the highest suicide rate amongest most countries?
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>>377027761
The haunted suicide forest makes them do it?
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>>377022067
But Kawakami rapes young boys and broke Makoto's neck, because she a shit.
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>>377027391
>Imaginary city
Do you guys just shitpost without even looking at the game now?
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>>377024986

and this is where you wrong lol

why are burgers always so dumb?
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>she works in that kind of maid service that also has sexual services, because japan and lonely closet men
>anons: NO, MY WAIFU WOULD NEVER DO THAT

The worst in this is how the teacher allows a minor to call for the maid services when its ilegal.
Yeah, she is using the money to pay for the those greedy tutors, but what she is doing is wrong. If it was a man doing that, like some kinda of host job, people would say the dirty man is taking advantage of a minor. Since it's a female, it's okay

And Kamoshida was demonized because he abused physically his students and took advantage of the girls, at least one of them he did and tried with Ann too.
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You all fuck off back to le ddit. There's NOTHING wrong with rape or having sex with underages.
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>>377028598
>iLegal, when it's legal but only to Apple users
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>>377023092
The greatest love story of all time.
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>20XX
>dating immature sluts, codependents, autists and robots
>when you could be eating delicious cakes on a basis except Sae ;_;
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>it's a cuckmoshida thread
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>>377028909
Sae's gay
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Everything kawakami does is consensual.

Everything kamoshida does is not which is the entire problem. Everyone already thought he was shagging Ann and nobody cared. It was the revelation that he was a manipulative rapist that was the problem.
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>>377021695
Left: Rape
Right: Statutory Rape

Know the difference; it could save your life.
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>>377028598
>The worst in this is how the teacher allows a minor to call for the maid services when its ilegal.
Is he actually calling the maid service or is it Kawakami's personal phone? Not trying to pull a gotcha or anything, I just wonder how she picks up on days she's not working.
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>>377029094
The very first time you call her back after the cutscene, you're calling for her specifically through the maid service. Every following time, you're messaging her directly.
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Welcome to /v/, den of faggot console wars and the word "consent" not existing. Anything to justify your edgy rape lusts.
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I'm so exhausted of bait threads, being intentionally retarded, and long drawn out arguments over non-issues.
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>>377029094
She gives you her phone so you just request her.
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>>377028969
you can't prove that
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>>377029385
It rhymes
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>>377027391

>imaginary city

Obvious bait tbqh
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>>377029427
sae doesn't rhyme with gay wtf you bone marrow jesus learn moon
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>>377029578
>what is slant rhyming
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>>377029965
what happens when I slam your ass with megidolaon
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>Kamoshida
>Physically abuses students leaving bruises, threatens the voleyball team to do his bidding and not to say anything, forces the school to fire another teacher because his track team was good, hellish abuse to track team members, baits star runner to attack him, breaks his leg fucking up his entire career as a runner, threatens the principal of the school (though that piece of shit deserves it), sexually harrasses at least 2 female students, forces a student to leak the criminal record of a transfer student, plans to expel 3 students that dared to call on him
>Kawakami
>Sell her maid services to a minor
Even if you ignore the sexual harrassment to 2 teenagers and say that Kawakami is a whore that sells to minors he is still a subhuman piece of trash.
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>>377030162
>maid services
>whore
Next time when your mom will be cleaning your room, don't forget to call a whore.
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>>377030474
Learn to read.
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>>377021695
He broke ryuji's leg.
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>>377030894
Kawakami wants to break Joker's dick from riding it until she passes out I don't see the difference.
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>>377021695
>CONSENT
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>>377030894
That was self defense. Ryuji was the one who attacked first.
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This is the new "Was Kanji gay?" isn't it.
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>>377031109
Except his shadow admits that he purposefully broke his leg because he was the track star. He's also a grown adult, he could have easily subdue'd ryuji without breaking his leg.
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>>377028598
>she works in that kind of maid service that also has sexual services
>but she consider working in that kind of maid service that also has sexual services because she's not making enough in that kind of maid service that also has sexual services
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>>377031109
>breaking a kid's leg as a fully grown adult and not just restraining himself from going overboard
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>>377031109
If I break one of your twink legs in a fight I can still get a charge for it even if you started it.

Excessive force isn't permitted even if you're defending yourself. I can't apply a brick to your face over getting pushed either.
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>>377021695
Because forcing yourself on someone is illegal in non mud-slime countries, you dingus

>>377022116
Legal age of consent in japan is like 14.
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>>377022582
She's 24 and she just told Joker that it won't happen until he's older
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>>377032180
What prefecture rules apply too?
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>>377031309
>>377031937
>>377032096
You say that but then why didn't Kamoshida get arrested then or at least suspended temporarily? Unless you're trying to tell me that the Japanese Police are really that shit and retarded.
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Very different circumstances
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>X did nothing wrong
>It's always the least funny memes that get spammed the most.
Why does it happen every fucking time?
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>>377032530

The school probably covered for him and downplayed it. A lot of the shit Kamoshida was doing wasn't exactly a secret. Did you miss the part where they said that a lot of the parents knew their kids were being mistreated but turned a blind eye to it so they could stay on the team?
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>>377032530
The school and parents kept shut.
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>>377032852
And then the team got disbanded anyway and it was all for nothing. I wonder how many parents felt the shame from when that happened. I wonder how many kids never spoke to their parents again.
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>>377032530
The school wrote if off as self defense and nobody wanted to hear Ryuji's side of it. Even if Ryuji did try to make a fuss about it it'd probably fuck over his mom's life too(you do NOT want to be associated with any criminal issues in Japan, even by proxy with a family member), so that's an additional thing hanging over his head.
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>>377033042
All those parents are pretty terrible people, they prefer to have their kids be daily beaten up and abused than, I don't know, tell the police or move their kids to another school.
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>>377022350
what show
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>>377033243
It's a very Japanese issue. Keep your head down and you get to attend an elite school because your life depends on it. This is part of the reason why Makoto was so easily manipulated by the principal for that recommendation letter.
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>>377032530
>Unless you're trying to tell me that the Japanese Police are really that shit and retarded.
In the Persona universe they are.
>P2, the only cop to do anything worthwhile (save the kuzunoha detective agency) did so because he had a Persona
>P3, the only cop to do anything worthwhile was supplying weapons and armour to minors
>P4, the cast literally has to do the cops' job to catch a murdered who is a cop
>P5, the cops are corrupt as fuck and only do what their masters tell them to.
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>>377032781
Like most shit here, I blame /pol/.
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>>377033635
You've only been here for about a year at most.
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>>377033707
t. /pol/

Now go back to shitposting about comedians
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Man != Woman
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>>377027391
>imaginary city
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>>377024416
>>377024402

Age of Consent is a obsolete idea in our atheist modern world, a reminder of religious pasts and Victorian ideologies.

I think people should be free to engage in any sexual practices they choose and don't need a minimum age at which a person can legally qualify to sex.
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>>377027956
What the actual fuck
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>>377033485
Yes. A large part of the game's themes are about bucking that trend. It's not even subtle about it.
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>>377032781
I don't know.
And shit like this is why I avoid these threads.
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>>377034327
The age of consent exists because kids are too fucking stupid to make these decisions. Why the fuck do you think 12 year olds need their parents to take care of them?
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>>377033243
Jap parents are pretty shit. Thank God I live in a country where parents actually love their kids.
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>>377022113
>an 18 year old

Protag is 15-16 though.
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>>377034327
You're a fucking idiot you know that right?
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>>377022259
>"Mere accusations"
>anon has no awareness of how and why Kamoshida confessed

>>377032530
>"but then why didn't Kamoshida get arrested then or at least suspended temporarily?"
>anon has no awareness of how it's repeatedly stated that everyone is covering up the shit Kamoshida was doing

The person who keeps making this thread and then goes on to actually argue it seriously hasn't actually played the game, has he? Why would someone argue this hard over something they haven't played even
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>>377024416
Kentucky works in in like this:

Age of consent is 16, but anyone under 18 can only be sexed by someone who is at max 3 years their senior.
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>>377021695
Kawakami's entire thing was based on power and how much he had of it. He used his power as both a teacher and olympic hero to do whatever the hell he wanted, people knew what he was doing even but were too afraid of the consequences of calling him out on it to do anything.

Kawakami is the complete opposite, she has low self esteem and no power. She's almost childish. She gets pushed around by that family even though she owes them nothing. She doesn't pursue you, she tries to leave but you basically force her in to being honest with her feelings by being very firm with her. The romance option for Kawakami is "I'm a man, you're a woman" after all.
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>>377035852
Kamoshida*
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>>377035605
>Why would someone argue this hard over something they haven't played even
It started out as people joking while posting pictures of Kamoshida with a fake moustache, for what it's worth. I guess someone was bored enough to actually try and have a 'serious' discussion about it (and it's getting 150+ post threads so the guy was successful I guess)
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how come every villain after kamoshida sucked ass?
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Because its okay when its a male student and female teacher relationship
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>>377021695
Jokers big thing is apparently that he really hates to see women in trouble/pain. Kawakami's entire confidant is basically Joker pushing himself in to her business. He doesn't have to keep calling her and he doesn't have to visit her in the hospital. He wants to help her. She goes over there in rank 9 to just tell him she quit her maid job and Joker basically turns the conversation in to "you're my girlfriend now".

>>377036287
Victim of scale+it was probably one of the earliest made parts of the game.
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>>377024740
In her social link the parents she's paying money says they'll expose her SEX WORKER business if she doesn't pay up. They say it straight out like that. Also when you first hire her she says she won't give you her "adult" services (ie: handjob).
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>>377036413
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>>377036870
There is no sex in the champagne room, anon.
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>>377036287

There's just straight up much more going on there then the others. You get half your party there, you interact more with the guy who has the real person more and it's bit more personal since he's someone who teaches at your school.
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